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Come Sail Away
2008-12-11 22:37
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Comments (77)
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2008-12-11 22:54:01
1.   trainwreck
Maybe my favorite video clip yet.
2008-12-11 23:04:08
2.   Eric Stephen
Man, I really need to get and watch those DVDs.
2008-12-11 23:10:27
3.   Andrew Shimmin
They didn't play any Otis Redding at the high school dance I went to. They didn't play any Styx, though, either, so I guess it evens out.
2008-12-11 23:17:20
4.   underdog
Both so wonderful. The F&G one (from the pilot episode) always makes me teary-eyed, though, so I guess if I had to choose one...

--

Btw, just when I think The Sarah Silverman Show couldn't get any odder, she goes and marries her dog.

2008-12-11 23:18:44
5.   underdog
Plus... Ben Foster Alert!
2008-12-11 23:23:46
6.   underdog
2 Dude! Okay, it's the baseball off-season, it's gonna be winter any day now -- this is the time, my friend.
2008-12-11 23:32:46
7.   LAT
5. Ben Foster quiz.

Ben's paremts started which two well known businesses?

2008-12-11 23:54:28
8.   bhsportsguy
Of all the things that made the Wonder Years memorable, it is the music that is keeping it from going to DVD.
2008-12-12 04:32:00
9.   Josh Wilker
Freaks & Geeks: Perfect show, perfect clip. Like Underdog 4 , I get teary-eyed, too.

The voice-over narration in the Wonder Years, coupled with the kids too often acting with the emotional ponderousness of adults who have watched too many soap operas, kept me from ever becoming much of a fan. Great music, though.

2008-12-12 06:43:55
10.   Bradley Strong
Two of my favorite shows ever on TV. I just watched some of the Freaks and Geeks DVD Box Set the other day. Wonder Years rates way up there too. Thanks for the great clips.
2008-12-12 07:17:15
11.   Jon Weisman
The Wonder Years clip is good. The Freaks clip is genius, amazing - one of the best endings to a pilot in history. I thought they went well together, though.
2008-12-12 07:22:54
12.   Prescott Pete
Uh, Manny, you wanna dance?
2008-12-12 07:51:15
13.   Howard Fox
Ned Coletti will be on with Dan Patrick this morning around 8:30 am
2008-12-12 07:56:40
14.   cargill06
13 DP: How is the Manny contract coming along?

Colletti: You know, it's a lot like looking into the sun. At first it hurts to look at the contract, but the longer you look at it and realize how useful it could be, it hurts less and less.

2008-12-12 08:05:10
15.   Howard Fox
14 probably more along the lines of:

we are happy with our core of young players, unless of course we are offered someone who we think would fit in better to our short and long term plans...then...we are not afraid to get into the free agent market, money is not an issue as long as we don't think we will be overspending...then...we are in conversations regarding Manny Ramirez and believe we can come to some sort of resolution...

2008-12-12 08:12:31
16.   Disabled List
14 Colletti: You know, it's a lot like looking into the sun. At first it hurts to look at the contract, but the longer you look at it and realize how useful it could be, it hurts less and less.

Is that an actual quote? That's some awesome GM-speak, if it is.

2008-12-12 08:17:30
17.   cargill06
16 No he didn't, I'm just making fun after Ned's gem yesterday on the ongoing Manny contract nagotations.

This is like watching the San Andreas Fault. Some days you can see it move probably, and other days it's going to sit there. And in a week or two it may move a lot. It's a slow process. It speeds up and it slows back down.

2008-12-12 08:26:05
18.   Kevin Lewis
I am making oatmeal pancakes at my desk for a Christmas party right now.
2008-12-12 08:29:55
19.   MC Safety
Wonder Years rules. Not as much as the Adventures of Pete and Pete, but it's up there. Can't say I've seen an episode of Freaks and Geeks.
2008-12-12 08:30:47
20.   Disabled List
17 The best part is, I easily believed that Ned could say something that nonsensical.

18 Our office Christmas party last night. We had beer and wine instead of pancakes. Not too many people are in the office yet this morning, and it's already 11:30 here.

2008-12-12 08:40:50
21.   Eric Stephen
18
We are having an in-office potluck before heading out to our Christmas party, and I have committed to make chili verde.
2008-12-12 08:43:08
22.   delias man
I can hear it in Ned's voice right now. Manny is not coming.
2008-12-12 08:44:19
23.   delias man
Dan Patrick is riding him...
2008-12-12 08:46:14
24.   CajunDodger
According to Ned:

No interest in Burnett or Sheets. Mentioned Pettite, Wolf, and Garland by name as options. Will not pursue Lowe.

SS still top priority...

2008-12-12 08:46:39
25.   delias man
DP: Did you make an offer on CC?
NC: No
DP: Who is going to pitch for you?
NC: We are working on that
DP: Burnett?
NC: No
DP: Sheets?
NC: No
DP: Lowe?
NC: No
DP - Audible frustration
2008-12-12 08:49:00
26.   Eric Stephen
22
I can hear it in Ned's voice right now. Manny is not coming

But did you see Ned's eyes?

2008-12-12 08:49:49
27.   regfairfield
Maybe he's just trying to force Torre to use Stults.
2008-12-12 08:49:59
28.   Disabled List
That was a bumpy interview. It didn't really leave me feeling very optimistic about this offseason.
2008-12-12 08:50:07
29.   cargill06
Fantastic, when asked about pitching options the first word out of his mouth was Jon than the second word was Garland. He is so disgustingly bad yet Ned will spend $10MM on him, lovely.
2008-12-12 08:50:46
30.   mwhite06
DP: Who is going to pitch for you?

I would be shocked if Dan Patrick even knew who Chad Billingsley was.

2008-12-12 08:52:05
31.   Eric Stephen
24
Mentioned Pettite, Wolf, and Garland by name as options

Glass half full thought: At least none of those pitchers would cost the Dodgers a draft pick.

2008-12-12 08:52:35
32.   regfairfield
Dan Patrick owns.

Ned planning on spending 25 million on what looks like garbage sure makes Cashman look better for spending it on CC.

2008-12-12 08:53:01
33.   cargill06
Frank, please sell the team.
2008-12-12 08:53:25
34.   delias man
On casual Friday the guy who sits next to me wears a Padre hat. He does not even like baseball. "I got it as a present." Who just buys SD hats as presents?
2008-12-12 08:55:46
35.   Eric Stephen
34
Is it at least brown and mustard color?
2008-12-12 08:59:14
36.   cargill06
34 Good hats for presents:

-throwback Brewers hat
- Reds hat with the red bill
- Black Oakland hat with green letter
- Grey Toronto hat

Those hats are all "fresh" (as the kids say.)

2008-12-12 09:00:59
37.   Jon Weisman
29 - For a brief moment there I thought I was going to be in the 2009 starting rotation.
2008-12-12 09:01:03
38.   delias man
The new dark blue and white. Every Friday... he knows I hate it.
2008-12-12 09:01:19
39.   ibleedbloo
Its probably been discussed here, but how does the draft pick pecking order work if, for example, Lowe signs with the Yankees; who have already signed a type A in CC?
2008-12-12 09:04:57
40.   Eric Stephen
39
If one team signs multiple Type A's, they are sorted by their Elias ranking (based on previous 2 years stats).

If the Yanks sign CC & Lowe, Milwaukee would get the Yank's 1st rounder since CC is ranked higher than Lowe. The Dodgers would then get the Yanks' 2nd rounder, assuming the Yanks don't also sign someone else higher than Lowe, like Tex.

2008-12-12 09:06:09
41.   cargill06
38 It could be worse, at least your not next to this guy.

http://tinyurl.com/5vfq6j

2008-12-12 09:08:53
42.   cargill06
41 Good thing Keith Law didn't see that comment.
2008-12-12 09:10:59
43.   ibleedbloo
40 Thanks for the clarification. I guess we are hoping that neither of the New York teams sign Lowe(I'm guessing KRod is ranked higher than Lowe).

Maybe the Braves would be a good spot for DLowe.

2008-12-12 09:14:10
44.   kinbote
Just as with Loretta, there are a lot of signs that point to Garland being a Ned target. He's a local guy (Valencia), he's durable (200 IP per year), and he's an all-star and post-season veteran.

Main disadvantages are that he doesn't strike many batters out, he gives up a lot of homers, and opponents hit over .300 against him last year.

Ned could publicly trumpet his won-loss record, his relative youth, and track record of good health. I'm guessing we sign him for 2 years (not sure about dollars--$22 mil?)

2008-12-12 09:14:17
45.   underdog
We'd have to put CC Sabathia out of our minds, but I've said here before that I wouldn't be against a Randy Wolf signing this off season. If it appears he is indeed healthy, I think he can be solid and would come cheaper than a lot of other FA pitchers out there. He's certainly better than Garland (Judy, Beverly, Jon, whoever).

I wouldn't interpret much from Ned about Manny right now. That's gonna drag out an annoyingly long time I bet, and ultimately I think he ends up a Dodger.

2008-12-12 09:16:39
46.   delias man
41 It almost is. I have to listen to him and his "boys" talk about their NBA fantasy teams all day on the phone instead of work.

"Yeah yeah, you should pick him up. He cleans the glass."

2008-12-12 09:17:18
47.   Xeifrank
I'm not really sure what is so awful about Jon Garland. Yes, he doesn't strike out the most batters in the world but his projected 4.40 FIP is easily worth 2+ WAR, ~10Mil per year. A better addition than the likes of Randy Johnson and Paul Byrd and probably a safe bet health wise than Ben Sheets. He is 29 years old and as long as we aren't looking at anything more than a 3 year deal, I could live with Garland. We'd still probably need another starting pitcher, but he would help fill out the bottom half of the rotation imo.
vr, Xei
2008-12-12 09:19:57
48.   delias man
47 The problem remains that we need a top half guy. We have a lot of bottom half guys, and I include Jovencito Kershaw in that mix.
2008-12-12 09:20:10
49.   Bob Timmermann
Jon Garland was just born in Valencia, he grew up in Granada Hills.
2008-12-12 09:22:27
50.   cargill06
47 You can sign Randy for half the price and is a better pitcher. Stults can do what Garland can do (4.2 K/9IP and 2.6 BB/9 IP the last two years.)
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2008-12-12 09:24:34
51.   Xeifrank
48. There doesn't appear to be any top half options. Hopefully, you make up for it with a solid bottom half of the rotation and a Furcal, Manny (trade Pierre) signing. Reality is that it's going to be a struggle for Ned to build an 86-87 win team on paper now that Sabathia has signed with NYY.
vr, Xei
2008-12-12 09:24:37
52.   SortaLaSorda
Can we just sign Manny and then trade him to the Padres so we can stop both of these stories from clogging up the sports pages? Or do the Cubs still need to have a say?
2008-12-12 09:26:05
53.   Harold M Johnson
I've said from the very beginning that Frank signs Manny. It's relatively cheap to sign Manny and then load up on garbage everywhere else and still bring people out to the stadium. The kind of adulation Frank got around town after the Manny signing was different from everything else he's done since he bought the team. The danger for him now, and Boras knows this, is bidding against himself.
2008-12-12 09:27:58
54.   Humma Kavula
The last several days have not held good news.

I guess you go through the offseason with the management structure you have, not the management structure you want.

2008-12-12 09:28:26
55.   Bob Timmermann
http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/archives/2008/12/dodger-broadcas.html

Steiner off TV. New TV PBP guy TBA.

2008-12-12 09:28:43
56.   delias man
51 - I really like Burnett, but not for the 5 years he is about to get. 3 with some kind of option would have been great. Ned tied his own hands with these bad contracts. That's all.
2008-12-12 09:30:09
57.   Bob Timmermann
55
Eric Stephen has already sent in a letter to the Dodgers trumpeting Pete Arbogast for the job.
2008-12-12 09:30:42
58.   Humma Kavula
53 It's relatively cheap to sign Manny and then load up on garbage everywhere else and still bring people out to the stadium.

Oh, heaven help us -- we ARE the Giants.

I think Xei is right -- unless Manny/Furcal sign on, things don't look good right now.

2008-12-12 09:31:11
59.   Xeifrank
50. I am going to say Garland is better than Stults and Randy Johnson a large injury risk. Keep in mind that Garland has been facing AL hitters. I don't mind having Stultsonald as our 5th starter and Garland as our 4th.
vr, Xei
2008-12-12 09:31:59
60.   Eric Stephen
55
I don't know if Arbogast has that many Hawaiian shirts.
2008-12-12 09:33:23
61.   El Lay Dave
I've been tempted to mention future Dodger Jon Garland several times this week. He has "Ned signing" written all over him for all the reasons mentioned above. Colletti will surely trumpet Garland's seven consecutive seasons of 32-33 starts - "he's taking the ball every fifth day for seven straight years. Solid. A grinder. We like those kind of guys."

The problems is that these kinds of pitchers (durable, career ERA+ 104) seem to command ~4/40 deals these days.

2008-12-12 09:33:46
62.   underdog
Which will come first, Eric S and MC Safety watch Freaks and Geeks, or the Dodgers sign Manny? It's a race!
2008-12-12 09:34:21
63.   underdog
How about Russ Langer for new Dodger TV announcer?
2008-12-12 09:34:26
64.   Bob Timmermann
60
"And with that single, James Loney has passed Franklin Stubbs for 34th all time on the Dodgers alltime lists for hits by a first baseman..."
2008-12-12 09:35:05
65.   Humma Kavula
Question: should I feel bad about myself for actually kind of liking Jerry Reuss and feeling sorry for him losing his gig? I actually thought he was ok as a color guy.

Maybe too many hours of Rick Monday have burned a hole in that part of my brain that judges baseball broadcasters.

2008-12-12 09:35:12
66.   Eric Stephen
61
The problems is that these kinds of pitchers (durable, career ERA+ 104) seem to command ~4/40 deals these days

Win, Lohse, or Draw?

2008-12-12 09:35:13
67.   Xeifrank
61. By definitionn a league average pitcher should make right around $10Mil per year. You can haggle over the years, 2/$20, 3/$30 etc..., but that's what they make.
vr, Xei
2008-12-12 09:36:01
68.   Jon Weisman
NPUT
2008-12-12 09:36:09
69.   cargill06
59 Well, we'll agree to disagree. Garlands periphals are so bad, it's hard to imagine Stults could really be worse. Johnson has averaged 184 IP the last 5 years including 184 last year, and he walks less people than Garland and strikes out more people. Honestly, Garland is very bad.
2008-12-12 09:36:28
70.   El Lay Dave
49 Second-best player ever from your alma mater.
2008-12-12 09:36:45
71.   underdog
65 - I would gladly trade Reuss for Monday, too.
2008-12-12 09:36:58
72.   Eric Stephen
64
Stubbs is actually 20th in hits by Dodgers that primarily played 1B. :)

http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/gaaU

2008-12-12 09:53:56
73.   Bleacher Seats
The Dodgers need to get in on the Tex Sweepstakes. (I don't care that he wants to play on the left coast) Sign Tex - forget about Manny. Then convert Loney to LF.

Sign Furcal.

Work out a trade with SD for Peavy - we have the AAA playes they want/need.

Just DO IT!!!

2008-12-12 09:54:50
74.   natepurcell
Work out a trade with SD for Peavy - we have the AAA playes they want/need.

Like who? our AAA team is pretty barren...

2008-12-12 09:59:05
75.   dzzrtRatt
I think the Dodgers are really going to miss Lowe if we end up with Garland. Just go with the starting pitching we've got (Billingsley, Kuroda, Kershaw, McDonald and Stults), bring in Trevor Hoffman, and assemble the strongest offense we can -- Furcal and Manny, or Furcal and an improved Jones if Manny is too much trouble. Furcal should be the top FA priority because he's anti-Pierre insurance. I have a feeling about Andruw. I think he's going to be good next year.

With Manny and Furcal, the Dodgers should score a lot of runs. The key, then, would be having a bullpen that can take over 75 percent of the games after 5-6 innings so we don't burn out the young pitchers. I really like the idea of Hoffman coming here for a year.

2008-12-12 12:22:20
76.   Linkmeister
Everytime I see Garland I think of Wayne Garland, one of the earliest free-agent busts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Garland

2008-12-12 14:52:25
77.   DBrim
74 - You mean the Padres won't take Jason Repko? Darn!

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