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... For the Memories (Cont'd)
2009-01-05 09:28
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Josh Wilker at Cardboard Gods passed along a link to a full online archive for Baseball Digest, which I wrote about at length four years ago: "Dodger Thoughts wouldn't exist without Baseball Digest."

I did end my subscription about three years ago, however.

* * *

RotoAuthority is doing something I always wanted to do: review the great Spring Training pronouncements of the previous year and see how they panned out. Matt Kemp and Russell Martin are mentioned in Part 1. (Thanks to Dodger Thoughts commenter Cargill06 for the link.)

Comments (451)
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2009-01-05 09:44:37
1.   madmac
Heyman at it again.

http://tinyurl.com/929xl7

2009-01-05 09:50:22
2.   Jon Weisman
"Hallmark Channel in late 2009 will premiere "Flower Girl," a made-for-TV movie starring Marla Sokoloff, Marion Ross and Christina Pickles. The plot revolves around Sokoloff's character, a flower shop owner who must choose between two suitors. The Hollywood Reporter (1/5) "

Looking at that cast, I'm definitely intrigued to see who she ends up with.

2009-01-05 09:53:03
3.   Harold M Johnson
I feel like this could be the week that we see a lot of FAs signed from Sheets to Manny etc.
2009-01-05 09:54:26
4.   berkowit28
Diamond Leung tells us (on his P-E blog) that Bill Lajoie has resigned after three seasons as senior advisor to General Manager Ned Colletti.
2009-01-05 09:59:13
5.   Bob Timmermann
2
When I switch to AT&T, I will no longer get the Hallmark Channel.

Oh well.

2009-01-05 10:01:32
6.   Kevin Lewis
*Dustin Pedroia (2B-Bos)up
Claim: "Added a layer of muscle"
Result: 2008 AL MVP.*

I just fined "added a layer of muscle" to be really funny

2009-01-05 10:01:47
7.   Kevin Lewis
find not fined
2009-01-05 10:05:33
8.   ToyCannon
4
"Colletti is now down to nine assistants, including three assistant GMs (Kim Ng, Logan White, De Jon Watson) and six special assistants (Toney Howell, Vance Lovelace, Bill Mueller, Rick Ragazzo, Jose Vizcaino and Mark Weidemaier)."

I can't wait for them to make one of those six a Special Special Assistant.

2009-01-05 10:07:08
9.   underdog
5 Where will you get your Walker: Texas Ranger fix?
2009-01-05 10:10:23
10.   kinbote
8 I'm sure every morning he tells them they are all special in their own way.
2009-01-05 10:11:08
11.   MC Safety
I wish I was named Vance Lovelace.
2009-01-05 10:11:28
12.   scareduck
According to Raul Tavares, Andruw Jones has quit winter ball, ostensibly because his wife is sick, but perhaps more because he would have been kicked off the team otherwise.

http://6-4-2.blogspot.com/2009/01/report-andruw-jones-quits-winter-ball.html

2009-01-05 10:11:45
13.   underdog
8/10- And they get to ride the Special Assistant Bus to Dodger Stadium every day. Which is nice.
2009-01-05 10:17:02
14.   kinbote
13 What's the Monty Python bit about Arthur "Two Sheds" Jackson? Ned has nine assistants!
2009-01-05 10:17:15
15.   Eric Stephen
I'm rooting for Ohio State tonight, and I'm sick about it. I only want them to win so USC will get the #2 ranking in the final AP poll.

On a side note, if Florida wins Thursday I win my bowl pool.

2009-01-05 10:23:27
16.   Marty
15 Since I can't root for either team I'm going to boycott.
2009-01-05 10:24:54
17.   Daniel Zappala
15 Why does it matter so much to you that USC gets the #2 ranking in the final AP poll?
2009-01-05 10:31:25
18.   Xeifrank
15. Is this the last exhibition game before the two teams with a worse record than Utah play?
vr, Xei
2009-01-05 10:35:00
19.   MC Safety
This should be fun.
2009-01-05 10:35:32
20.   berkowit28
9 That's on USA channel.
2009-01-05 10:36:11
21.   Bob Timmermann
18
Don't forget the GMAC Bowl on Tuesday.
2009-01-05 10:36:39
22.   dkminnick
Man, would I love to see the glossy brochure Boras did for Andruw prior to last year. Any intrepid investigators out there? Maybe The Smoking Gun could find it.
2009-01-05 10:38:31
23.   ToyCannon
HOF career prior to 2007, seems glossy enough.
2009-01-05 10:40:11
24.   ToyCannon
12
I'm sure it is common practice to kick a player off a team after 22 at bats when he hasn't faced live pitching since August.
2009-01-05 10:45:43
25.   Disabled List
Xei, how do you feel about three teams with records worse than the 11-5 Patriots advancing in the NFL playoffs this weekend?
2009-01-05 10:46:21
26.   cargill06
24 Brandon Wood only got 54.
2009-01-05 10:46:33
27.   silverwidow
I now realize giving $15M per to Dunn & Abreu is crazy considering the market. I'm thinking 2-3 years at 11 or 12 would be fair.
2009-01-05 10:52:56
28.   Kevin Lewis
15

If Oklahoma wins, I will be purchasing a GPS for our car. I now refer to the game as the GPS bowl

2009-01-05 10:55:35
29.   bigcpa
Burrell to Tampa for 2 yrs, $16M. For a 32 yr old with 33 HR and 102 BB. So is Manny 3x better than Burrell?
2009-01-05 10:58:33
30.   Disabled List
Burrell should've waited for Manny to set the market. This plays into Boras' hands, as it leaves one less FA outfielder for the Dodgers to fall back on.

Good news for Manny, bad move for Pat the Bat.

2009-01-05 11:00:05
31.   Jon Weisman
http://blogs.pe.com/prosports/2009/01/dodgers-kuo-and-hu-playing-in.html

Kuo and Hu tentatively in WBC.

2009-01-05 11:01:59
32.   bigcpa
30 Is it good news for Manny when the market for 30 HR bad defense corner OF is set at 2 yrs $8M/yr? How do you justify asking for $22M/yr? Turnstile power? At this point you can sign 29 yr old Dunn for 4 yrs $40M vs. Manny for 4 yrs $90M!
2009-01-05 11:02:24
33.   DaDoughboy
Question:
Burrell and Sheets? or just Manny..
2009-01-05 11:02:25
34.   Bob Timmermann
31
If Taiwan gets out of the first round, I'd be very surprised. Korea and Japan should come out of the Asian pool again.
2009-01-05 11:03:09
35.   DaDoughboy
Or Dunn/Sheets (since Burrell already is off the market).
2009-01-05 11:03:18
36.   Gen3Blue
Wow, Heyman is disgusting
2009-01-05 11:03:38
37.   Eric Stephen
30
Good news for Manny assuming there are multiple teams in the bidding.
2009-01-05 11:08:43
38.   Disabled List
32 As the free agent market has shown just about every single year, demand is always greater than supply.

Watch what Manny's asking price goes up to if Dunn signs before he does.

2009-01-05 11:12:04
39.   bigcpa
38 So how does this phenomenon apply to Derek Lowe?
2009-01-05 11:13:31
40.   Eric Stephen
33
With no other moves, the Dodger payroll is at roughly $77.5 million right now. That includes estimates for arbitration and team controlled players.

http://tinyurl.com/7dgv3a

If the Dodgers were to splurge and sign Manny AND Sheets or something like that, the payroll be in the $105-110 million range. This figure is below the $120-125m from last year, but of course none of us knows what the actual budget is for this year.

2009-01-05 11:18:36
41.   Kevin Lewis
Would anyone else be happy with Dunn and Lowe?
2009-01-05 11:20:26
42.   old dodger fan
34 Does Taiwan get to call themselves a country again?
2009-01-05 11:20:34
43.   cargill06
41 Yes, but I think the chances of Manny re-signing with Boston is about as far-fetched as Lowe coming back to LA... well maybe not the quite severe, but Lowe isn't coming back.
2009-01-05 11:20:56
44.   dkminnick
22 23 - Point taken, though there was a significant decline in 2007. But I'd just like to get a look at any of the Boras brochures.

Here's the response from my e-mail to The Smoking Gun: "As baseball fans, TSG is well aware of the Boras brochures. Sadly, we've never had a line on obtaining one. One day, perhaps..."

Anybody able to help?

2009-01-05 11:22:53
45.   ToyCannon
Tampa got Pat the Bat cheap. When you figure the upgrade for the Yankees was from Giambi to Teixeira while the Rays go from a DH OPS of 751 to Burrel I'd say the Rays made a more significant upgrade.
2009-01-05 11:24:02
46.   Eric Stephen
44
Back in November, the N.Y. Times got a hold of the Oliver Perez binder. Here is a brief summary:

http://tinyurl.com/5tbuwo

2009-01-05 11:24:11
47.   ToyCannon
43
Red Sox/ Manny - 0 chance
Dodgers / Lowe - fighting chance because Lowe will sign with the highest bidder
2009-01-05 11:25:16
48.   kinbote
Wow. Pat the Bargain Bat if that's true.
2009-01-05 11:26:34
49.   cargill06
45 Yankee's 1B had a line of .246/.349/.460 last year. Tex had a line of .308/.410/.552 last year and upgraded their defense. I would disagree, but it's a good point I didn't realize how bad TB's DH's were last year.
2009-01-05 11:26:47
50.   Bob Timmermann
Taiwan always competes as "Chinese Taipei" in international sports competitions. It's a very sticky political issue.

Then again, so is calling the country "Taiwan."
Because that's not it's real name either.

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2009-01-05 11:26:52
51.   DaDoughboy
40.
I'm very hopeful that the McCourts will spend appropriately (considering our media market) and sign both Manny and Sheets. But I'm also bracing myself for the disappointment of a Dunn/Sheets type deal as well. For about the same yearly money for just Manny ($23MM), we would get a bonafide #1-2 starter and a power bat.

Alas, as Red would say: 'Hope is a dangerous thing. Hope can drive a man insane.'

2009-01-05 11:27:31
52.   Daniel Zappala
At that price, I would hope the Angels could sign Burrell for their DH. I don't understand why they didn't make a move for him.
2009-01-05 11:27:48
53.   Disabled List
39 It's just supply and demand. As other pitchers (and outfielders, for that matter) sign and come off the market, it reduces both the supply and the demand. But my point is that demand is always greater than supply when it comes to baseball talent.

Last I heard, there were still four teams interested in signing Lowe.

2009-01-05 11:29:42
54.   ToyCannon
Jason Giambi may be the next best bargain if he can be signed as a DH and never sets foot around 1st base.
2009-01-05 11:33:13
55.   ChicagoDodger
51 I thought Sheets cost a draft pick.

Haven't the Dodgers essentially said they would not sign anyone that would cost them their 17th pick in the 1st round?

At least I think that was the understanding.

2009-01-05 11:34:02
56.   delias man
52 It seems the Angels already have their 4 man rotation OF-DH set with Rivera, Vlad, Matthews, Hunter.
2009-01-05 11:34:39
57.   cargill06
55 Colletti is on record of saying the Dodgers will not sign Ben Sheets.
2009-01-05 11:36:35
58.   silverwidow
I don't know why we're not looking at Kenshin Kawakami.
2009-01-05 11:39:32
59.   ToyCannon
57
That was not set in stone. Simply an answer to a question several weeks ago. Free agency is fluid and as demands change so might interest.
2009-01-05 11:41:14
60.   ToyCannon
58
Maybe he was less then impressed with how we treated Saito and hung up when we called.
2009-01-05 11:41:57
61.   Kevin Lewis
57

But no one is on record saying that Lowe would never come back. I agree it is a slim chance, but he would entertain a deal.

2009-01-05 11:42:51
62.   cargill06
59 I hope you're right, but why wouldn't he give a generic response along the lines of, "We're going to explore all options that would improve our team."?
2009-01-05 11:43:05
63.   Eric Stephen
58 ,60
Or maybe Saito was our closer (of the Kyra Sedgwick variety) for Japanese imports, and with him gone we are having a tougher time in that market. :)
2009-01-05 11:44:30
64.   Kevin Lewis
Is Pat the Bat official?
2009-01-05 11:44:37
65.   Daniel Zappala
56 I know, and I'm not happy with it.
2009-01-05 11:48:18
66.   Bob Timmermann
Kawakami wouldn't be as good as Kuroda. He doesn't throw as hard, although he's got good control.
2009-01-05 11:50:52
67.   ToyCannon
I was impressed with what we got from Kuroda compared to Dice K given the posting fee that Boston had to pay for him.
2009-01-05 11:52:23
68.   JoeyP
Nice deal for the Rays.

I wonder how many players have gone from the WS champs to the WS runner-up during an off-season.....?

Burrell at 2/16 tells me that Ned shouldnt budge from the 2/45 deal he offered Manny.

2009-01-05 11:53:33
69.   I Love LA
According to an article on realgm, someone reported the Hated Ones have 2 offers to Manny. One is a gaurantee 2 year deal with options that can make the contract to 4 yrs/$100 mil while the other is a gaurantee 3yrs/$63 mil deal with no other options. Who knows if it's true, but if it is we better up our 2 yrs/$45 offer unless Boras made it up to get us to respond which is always possible.
2009-01-05 11:54:12
70.   ToyCannon
49
Indians only had an OPS of 713 for their DH last year.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?team=CLE&year=2008

If the AL can bring in Burrell and Dunn they should be able to upgrade the DH position.

2009-01-05 11:56:13
71.   Tripon
69 That was Tim Kawakami who wrote that.
2009-01-05 12:00:42
72.   Hollywood Joe
1

This is my favorite line As for the Rangers, GM Jon Daniels told mlb.com they were not currently pursuing Ramirez but he did not rule it out

This version is a bit better and just about as true...Hollywood Joe of DT blog poster fame said that he is currently not dating Penelope Cruz but he did not rule it out

2009-01-05 12:09:42
73.   Jon Weisman
Criticizing the Marlins re: Proctor.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=8402

2009-01-05 12:11:45
74.   Tripon
http://6-4-2.blogspot.com/

Rob reports that Andruw Jones' Dominican team has asked him to leave the team.

2009-01-05 12:18:00
75.   Bob Timmermann
A similar situation to Burrell joining the Rays is back in 1988 when the defending champion Twins traded Tom Brunansky to the NL Champion Cardinals for Tommy Herr early in the 1988 season.
2009-01-05 12:19:34
76.   ucladodger
Getting Burrell for $8 mil a year is genius for the Rays. He's streaky, but still a solid hitter with huge power. Keeping him out of the outfield will even increase his value.
2009-01-05 12:21:38
77.   jasonungar07
Now batting 2nd, left fielder Juan Pierre. As long as I don't have to hear that ever (or batting 8th) I lower my demands and can live without Manny. But only Manny will change that, at least according to Ned.
2009-01-05 12:24:00
78.   silverwidow
Billingsley is not a "true number one starter"...unless he "takes a big step forward."

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/sports/baseball/Pitching-We-Dont-Need-No-Stinkin-Pitching.html

2009-01-05 12:25:40
79.   Bob Timmermann
78
He can't take a step forward with a broken leg. It's obviously been shattered into a thousand pieces.
2009-01-05 12:30:11
80.   cargill06
78 How do these people get jobs? It's amazing how much respect the guy lost among the idiots in the media for not drilling someone and having 2 bad post-seasons starts.
2009-01-05 12:30:19
81.   Disabled List
ESPN's new redesign is crashing my browser. Grrrr.
2009-01-05 12:31:29
82.   DaDoughboy
79.
IMO, Bob is officially the FBINM (Funniest Blogger I've Never Met).
2009-01-05 12:32:49
83.   silverwidow
80 How do these people get jobs?

Smoke and mirrors.

2009-01-05 12:37:01
84.   dianagramr
From ESPN, re: Burrell ...

He'll also join an exclusive group of players who went from one World Series team to another between seasons. Since 1970, just four other players -- and only other position players -- played against a team in the World Series one year and then played for that team in their first game the next season, according to the Elias Sports Bureau: Edgar Renteria (2004 St. Louis Cardinals, 2005 Boston Red Sox), Gary Thomasson (1978 New York Yankees, 1979 Los Angeles Dodgers), Tommy John (1978 Dodgers, 1979 Yankees) and Don Gullett (1976 Reds, 1977 Yankees).

2009-01-05 12:46:44
85.   cargill06
I saw this suggestion on the Dodgers.com commenter section under the Jones article. I have to say, I agree with this guy.

dodgers should try to trade jones for peavy, if not he belongs to the free agents list.

2009-01-05 12:47:17
86.   bhsportsguy
I don't about anyone else but I believe what is happening with free agent salaries is pretty remarkable

Pat Burrell made $27M in 2007-2008.

He played in 155/157 games, hit 30/33 HR, had these two lines .256/.400/.502 and .250/.367/.507

Pat Burrell will be 32 in April 2009.

He is taking a 40% cut for a 2 year guaranteed deal.

2009-01-05 12:50:36
87.   dianagramr
86

The salary gap between the elite players and the lesser players will only widen further given the current economic climate.

A-Rod and the like will make $30M/year.
Pat the Bat and the like will make $8M/year.

Will there be a middle?

2009-01-05 12:52:03
88.   bhsportsguy
86 I think $8M/year for a DH is at the upper reaches of what the Rays wanted to pay considering what they paid Cliff Floyd last season ($2.75M).
2009-01-05 12:54:15
89.   JoeyP
Was Burrell offered arbitration?

He may have been better off taking it.

2009-01-05 12:57:27
90.   Eric Stephen
89
Burrell wasn't offered arbitration by the Phillies.
2009-01-05 12:59:11
91.   Eric Stephen
90
Meant to do a link with that.

http://tinyurl.com/9ybgzp

2009-01-05 13:00:00
92.   underdog
78 Unlike that NBC guy, I do "thing" Billingsley is going to be a #1 starter. He's got another thing coming if he things differently.
2009-01-05 13:00:49
93.   JoeyP
For whatever reason, some GMs just dont value the Dunn/Burrell types.

Seems to be a clear market ineffiency, where a Dunn/Burrell make closer to a Juan Pierre makes, than what an A-Rod, Tex makes.

2009-01-05 13:01:43
94.   bhsportsguy
About 7% of MLB players are guaranteed salaries averaging over $12M/year for 2009 and beyond. And very few of those contracts have been given out this off-season.
2009-01-05 13:02:01
95.   blue22
So does this mean Dunn and Abreu are in line for similar salaries (though perhaps Dunn can squeeze an extra 2 years out of someone given his age)?
2009-01-05 13:07:11
96.   Xeifrank
25. It's unfortunate and also rare. The NFL system heavily favors winning your division, teams know that going in. You get to play each team in your own division two times, so there is plenty of chances to take care of business. Utah on the otherhand beat four top 25 teams, including beating rather handily a team that spent lengthy time at the top of the BCS rankings. No playoff system is perfect, and I am not asking for a perfect system. Just because a hamburger is not filet mignon, doesn't make rotten cheese taste better. Sorry for the food metaphor, I figured it would go over well here, and I couldn't think of a good movie/tv show one.
vr, Xei
2009-01-05 13:12:12
97.   Jacob Burch
And just when you think the market has been adjusted, the Cubs go and mess the whole thing up.
2009-01-05 13:15:43
98.   cargill06
97 3/30?!?!?
2009-01-05 13:16:11
99.   Andrew Shimmin
Just because a hamburger is not filet mignon, doesn't make rotten cheese taste better.

It is now my primary goal in life to be buried under a tombstone with those words on it.

2009-01-05 13:17:05
100.   D4P
It is now my primary goal in life to be buried under a tombstone with those words on it

Shall we cut to the chase...?

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2009-01-05 13:21:31
101.   Daniel Zappala
Why is 3/30 for Milton Bradley unreasonable? It's 10/year, only 2/year more than Burrell.
2009-01-05 13:23:29
102.   silverwidow
Heck, Juan Pierre is getting 3/28.5 right now, so Bradley's deal is a bargain.
2009-01-05 13:23:39
103.   delias man
165 innings in the field for Milton last year. Foolish gamble for an NL team in my book. Of course, he could prove everyone wrong.
2009-01-05 13:23:55
104.   Andrew Shimmin
100- Not just yet. Another goal is a Koestler-esque suicide pact, and it would be illegal for me to marry someone twenty-two years my junior. Stupid puritans. . .
2009-01-05 13:24:37
105.   Jacob Burch
I just don't understand the reasoning giving a player who has taken the field more than 100 times a season once in his career three years at a not-cheap price.
2009-01-05 13:27:31
106.   KG16
93 - must resist temptation to start the "true value of Adam Dunn debate", again.
2009-01-05 13:28:46
107.   KG16
101 - two million for playing the whole game instead of just half is a bargain.
2009-01-05 13:29:40
108.   Jacob Burch
107 Not if he only plays in half the games.
2009-01-05 13:33:48
109.   Icaros
Not sure what part of a career .900 OPS is up for debate, but people will see what they want to see.
2009-01-05 13:35:10
110.   Tripon
Lets ignore the bad defense that Dunn plays.
2009-01-05 13:35:15
111.   dianagramr
Milton Bradley ... meet Wrigley's extremely narrow foul territory down the lines ..., and the only-somewhat padded wall just outside those lines ...

(I see a major knee contusion or 7 for Mr. Bradley, unless he adopts the Bobby Abreu style of defense)

2009-01-05 13:36:10
112.   Eric Stephen
The Rangers will get no worse than the #50 pick in the 2009 draft as compensation for losing Type B Milton Bradley.

A sizable Risk for the Cubs, who hope they're not Sorry and that this move won't start their Downfall. Jim Edmonds must be asking Why, since his future in Chicago is in Trouble.

2009-01-05 13:36:55
113.   Icaros
110

Better than a no-arm piss-ant who can't hit.

2009-01-05 13:39:02
114.   Jacob Burch
109 Since when does .827 round up to 900?

In his only healthy season ever (with us), he OPS+'d 108. I'm nearing Rule 8, so I'll relent, but this is certainly open to criticism.

2009-01-05 13:39:53
115.   Jacob Burch
112 Jim Edmonds hence-forth shall be Pops-o-matic.
2009-01-05 13:40:03
116.   Icaros
114

Since I'm talking about Adam Dunn and not Milton Bradley.

2009-01-05 13:41:13
117.   Jacob Burch
116 Curse the linear arguing of DT!

I fully support Adam Dunn pro arguments. and I owe you a CD, which will be much easier since I re-formatted my troubling computer yesterday.

2009-01-05 13:41:23
118.   Harold M Johnson
All of this is (at least somewhat) determined by the market. I would bet that there were other teams willing to give Bradley 3 years; the same may not have been true of Burrell.
2009-01-05 13:42:10
119.   MC Safety
Don't be surprised when Milton plays 130 games in CF for the Cubs this year.
2009-01-05 13:42:12
120.   ToyCannon
Cubs need to make some errors in judgment, otherwise they'd be the team to beat. They removed DeRosa and added Milton. They removed Wood and added Gregg. They lost Edmunds and added nobody. They removed Marquis and added Vizcaino. So far so good.
2009-01-05 13:43:03
121.   Icaros
117

Haha. Cool, I look forward to it.

And I'm done debating Dunn. It's like arguing religion with people.

2009-01-05 13:43:31
122.   Andrew Shimmin
Adam Dunn's breath smells of Alligator stew.
2009-01-05 13:44:27
123.   KG16
108 - well, if he plays all of half the games, then that would be the same as playing half of every game, right?
2009-01-05 13:48:56
124.   Harold M Johnson
Giami to sign with the A's... Burrell Rays... Bradley Cubs... who's next?
2009-01-05 13:53:03
125.   Jacob Burch
Is Pie absolutely smoked as a prospect? That Cubs outfield is all sorts of confusing to figure out--almost (but not quite) as bad as ours.
2009-01-05 13:54:31
126.   underdog
Bradley even if he misses thirty games is better than not only Edmonds but Fukudome, no? I think they're right to take that risk. Compared to Pierre, he and Dunn are both gonna be bargains, injury concerns and defensive concerns (for the latter), or no.
2009-01-05 13:55:23
127.   Icaros
125

Pie is usually smoked, but you should try him in brownie form. Whole new experience...

2009-01-05 13:56:07
128.   Icaros
126

How was the party? Sorry I missed it.

2009-01-05 13:56:15
129.   underdog
124 Assuming the Dodgers and Boras aren't quite as dreadlocked in contract negotiations, then I'll say Manny.
2009-01-05 13:56:43
130.   Jacob Burch
126 I'm pretty sure any contract will look golden next to the Pierre Golden Standard.
2009-01-05 13:57:10
131.   underdog
128 A fun time was had by all. All who came that is. And maybe even some who didn't. About 22-23 people came, and it was a cool space. Oh well, next time.
2009-01-05 13:57:48
132.   underdog
130 True. I'm a bargain right now, too!
2009-01-05 13:58:44
133.   Jacob Burch
130 throw "like a bargain" in for that first golden.

Returning to work after a four day weekend is not fun.

2009-01-05 13:58:51
134.   ToyCannon
Forget the playing time issue. His babip was .388 last year. From the forecaster:
"Feel lucky? Plenty of bumps and bruises, but no DL time after spending 239 days on the shelf from 05-07. H% will revert so BA shouldn't repeat. hr/f should also revert so a power encore is history too. "

They are projecting an OPS of 890 but based on only 390 at bats. It is a good gamble compared to Pierre but I'd rather have Dunn for two million more per year if I was the Cubs.

2009-01-05 13:59:19
135.   Icaros
131

I've been recovering from my Caribbean cruise. I want to go back. Now.

2009-01-05 14:00:05
136.   silverwidow
Martin, Ethier & Broxton will all become millionaires shortly. I bet they're thrilled.
2009-01-05 14:00:21
137.   DaDoughboy
So happy to go home for lunch and find Jim Rome once again talking about the Detroit Lions and how it was 'his dream' and 'his team' to go 0-16.
Talk about smoke and mirrors.
2009-01-05 14:01:07
138.   dianagramr
R.I.P. Pat Hingle
2009-01-05 14:01:10
139.   cargill06
134 Dunn's BABIP was .258 last year compared to his usual .290.
2009-01-05 14:01:14
140.   Eric Stephen
133
Sorry about Saturday. I felt bad sending those last few text updates.
2009-01-05 14:02:33
141.   ToyCannon
126
I don't know. Once Edmunds stopped his post concussion medicine he was kind of awesome against RHP for a 38 year old.
2009-01-05 14:03:49
142.   Jacob Burch
140 I got to a bar for the last quarter, and apparently surrounded by the only Chargers fans I really know: no one paying attention to the game/stressing out of their minds like me until the OT touchdown, to which they all cheered and high fived. Took me quite a while to get over another "Great game" loss. Ugh.

We better sign Manny. You and I will get our Jerseys together.

2009-01-05 14:04:36
143.   Icaros
140

Yeah, just like you felt bad for sabotaging my flight to last year's picnic. I could've seen Shimmin's pen.

2009-01-05 14:04:50
144.   ToyCannon
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=edmonji01&year=2008
2009-01-05 14:05:30
145.   bhsportsguy
143 That might have to be the new quote on the sidebar.
2009-01-05 14:11:47
146.   Eric Stephen
141
The Cubs got a .290/.374/.484 out of their CF last season, a nifty 127 sOPS+.
2009-01-05 14:13:30
147.   Eric Stephen
143
He had enough pens for each person in attendance! Plus, you missed Matt Luke, and Bob's trivia contest.
2009-01-05 14:14:22
148.   ToyCannon
146
Which made up for the 84 OPS+ for their RF. Did anyone get worse production from RF? That might be the biggest upgrade in baseball if Milton can give them 400 at bats in RF.
2009-01-05 14:17:00
149.   ToyCannon
The Milton deal might be a gamble but I think we'd find 100% agreement that we'd rather have the new contract of Milton at 3/30 then what is left of Pierre at 3/30. Based on production.
2009-01-05 14:17:54
150.   Harold M Johnson
If the Cubs could have pulled off the Peavy trade they'd be a pretty scary team in the NL.
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2009-01-05 14:18:44
151.   Jacob Burch
Over/Under on how many people will make a separate point of using MB's contract to point out how bad Juan Pierre's is: 12
2009-01-05 14:21:23
152.   Icaros
151

That's the beauty of the Juan Pierre contract. Every day something comes along to make it look and feel even worse.

2009-01-05 14:22:14
153.   ToyCannon
I'd be worried if the rotation didn't have Big Z, Harden, and Dempster. I expect at least two of those three to hit hard times. Big Z will probably be having surgery sometime next summer, while Harden is sure to have some type of problem, and Dempster will not come close to replicating 2008.
2009-01-05 14:27:19
154.   D4P
Colletti is now down to nine assistants, including three assistant GMs (Kim Ng, Logan White, De Jon Watson) and six special assistants (Toney Howell, Vance Lovelace, Bill Mueller, Rick Ragazzo, Jose Vizcaino and Mark Weidemaier)

Good grief.

2009-01-05 14:29:09
155.   ToyCannon
Someone should start organizing a DT Super Bowl Party.
2009-01-05 14:29:44
156.   Disabled List
151 I'd rather use the MB/Pierre contract comparison to point out what a bad general manager Ned Colletti is. Does that count?
2009-01-05 14:30:40
157.   Jacob Burch
I'll bring my unbridled bitterness about the NFL overtime and division-home field rules.

And onion dip.

2009-01-05 14:31:37
158.   MC Safety
Has Jeff Kent officially retired?
2009-01-05 14:33:06
159.   bhsportsguy
155 I might be interested in doing that.
2009-01-05 14:33:57
160.   Andrew Shimmin
I wore a sweater on Sunday, and ended up having to kill some time reading. But because I didn't have a shirt pocket (or a placket to clip them to) I didn't have any pens. So I spent the better part of an hour absent-mindedly pawing myself up every time I hit something I wanted to underline. I'm grateful I wasn't tossed out of the coffee house.

And so I remember why I don't wear sweaters.

2009-01-05 14:38:28
161.   underdog
RIP, Carl Pohlad.
2009-01-05 14:39:03
162.   ToyCannon
159
I can make it interesting. I run a $20 Super Bowl Pool that is fun to pay out at parties because we pay off after every score.

I won my pick em league by nine games this year. 35 teams and I couldn't name 10 quarterbacks anymore.

2009-01-05 14:39:45
163.   Marty
When and where is the Super Bowl this year?
2009-01-05 14:39:48
164.   ToyCannon
161
Wonder what happens to the Twins?
2009-01-05 14:41:28
165.   Lexinthedena
I miss Milton Bradley.

I predict an injury plagued season followed by an off-season trade to the Blue Jays.

2009-01-05 14:42:07
166.   Harold M Johnson
158 I don't think so. MLB network was running his name under the crawl as available 2B FAs.
2009-01-05 14:44:10
167.   kinbote
I'm still trying to figure out why the Rockies traded Holliday . . .
2009-01-05 14:45:28
168.   Harold M Johnson
167 Peak value, last year of the contract, they feel they'd be priced out of re-signing him?
2009-01-05 14:45:47
169.   JoeyP
Cubs need to make some errors in judgment, otherwise they'd be the team to beat.

I agree with all of their moves except trading DeRosa & replacing him with Miles.

Dealing Marquis was good - he's a bad fit for that ballpark - way too many homers given up. Plus he walks guys. He's not a good pitcher.

Bradley at 3/30 is probably 1yr too long & Dunn would be a better option, but its not a horrible decision.

Jim Edmonds is probably done. He's 38yrs old.

Kerry Wood for Gregg wont be that big of deal. Wood's a closer and unless you are the Yankees, it makes no sense to pay a closer 10+ mils, especially one that has the injury problems that Wood does.

2009-01-05 14:49:34
170.   bhsportsguy
Super Bowl - Raymond James Stadium, Tampa, Fla., Sunday, Feb. 1, 3 p.m. PT
2009-01-05 14:49:48
171.   regfairfield
Assuming Bradley can play the outfield without hurting himself (big if) he's a much better player than Dunn. He doesn't hit well enough to make up for his horrible defense, it's entirely possible he's the worst defensive player in baseball. Dunn is above average, but not by too much.
2009-01-05 14:50:38
172.   Bob Timmermann
170
I will bet a significant sum of money that the Super Bowl will not have its opening kickoff at 3 pm PT.
2009-01-05 14:52:23
173.   Bob Timmermann
I have decided to boycott all Super Bowls until Up With People returns to do the halftime show.
2009-01-05 14:52:30
174.   Icaros
If the Dodgers signed Dunn and moved him to first, he couldn't be any worse on defense than Loney, could he?

(suicide bomb)

2009-01-05 14:52:35
175.   Kevin Lewis
Just ordered my 12 pack of tickets. Come on Spring Training!
2009-01-05 14:55:05
176.   Kevin Lewis
174

Give me that scenario with Loney bringing in a good pitcher and I would be on board. But, I have no soul

2009-01-05 14:57:17
177.   ToyCannon
With Moraad buying the Padres do they still need to trade Peavy?
2009-01-05 14:57:19
178.   bhsportsguy
174 How many more wins is Dunn worth vs the fact that James Loney will earn at most 400K this year while Dunn wants 30 times that amount.
2009-01-05 14:57:34
179.   silverwidow
167 I'm still trying to figure out why the Rockies traded Holliday

A bigger question is why they settled on such a small return. The Rockies should've demanded a high ceiling pitcher like Trevor Cahill at least; Carlos Gonzalez isn't nearly good enough to carry a Holliday deal.

2009-01-05 14:58:27
180.   Icaros
176

I'm just trying to start a war with Canada, for fun. I like Loney. I also like Dunn.

2009-01-05 14:59:21
181.   underdog
Icaros, Rule 3 Violator, Special Ops Unit.

;-)

2009-01-05 15:00:09
182.   bhsportsguy
179 Whose to say they didn't ask for him, he just wasn't part of the final deal. In the end, the Rockies probably wanted to make the deal more than hold for a certain player.
2009-01-05 15:00:25
183.   ToyCannon
169
Marquis is not good, but who replaces his innings?

You are declaring Edmunds done based on his age and ignoring his resurgence? Doesn't performance come into play? You'd be hard pressed to find a NL CF who hit better then he did once he became a Cub.

2009-01-05 15:01:09
184.   DaDoughboy
pitchers and catchers report on February 14 this year..a reason for me to actually love this day for a change.
2009-01-05 15:03:21
185.   bferb
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/2008-08-27-bestseats-dodgerstadium_N.htm

Cool article where Dugout Club in Dodger Stadium is ranked third best seats to sit in (although they are clearly the best IMO) The rankings are based more off of nostalgia and uniqueness it seems.

2009-01-05 15:14:46
186.   cargill06
If in fact the Angels plan on giving Kendry Morales a ton of PA's at 1B, and going with a Rivera/Vlad/Mathews/Hunter OF/DH group. That team had a pythag. record of 88-74 last year, are they looking at a 81-84 win season? I only ask because I have large dislike for the Halos and would enjoy them having a .500 season.
2009-01-05 15:15:07
187.   bferb
164 Saito is on the Twins radar apparently
2009-01-05 15:19:57
188.   JoeyP
but who replaces his innings?

I dont think there's much of a difference between bad "Marquis" type innings (5.00) ERA, and say "Hendrickson" type innings (6.00) ERA.

So in that case, I'd argue who cares?

I dont think Edmonds had a resurgence. I think its a small sample size.

I'll never accept the argument that Dunn's 1st base defense totally eliminates his career .900 OPS. It just doesnt make any sense.

2009-01-05 15:22:48
189.   Jacob Burch
I am up for and encouraging such a DT Super bowl party.
2009-01-05 15:27:27
190.   Lexinthedena
186 Vladdy should be the full time DH at this point.
2009-01-05 15:27:54
191.   Lexinthedena
So who's gonna host the DT super bowl party?
2009-01-05 15:30:53
192.   Icaros
191

Frank McCourt, of course.

2009-01-05 15:32:12
193.   Kevin Lewis
185

I can't even fathom that kind of seat and pampering

2009-01-05 15:47:01
194.   eekrock
185 193 - Hot Wings at your seat sound quite delicious. mmmm...hot wings.

did i miss a Hot Wings Thought post previously?

2009-01-05 15:56:50
195.   Lexinthedena
I had hot wings for lunch today!
2009-01-05 16:01:24
196.   Kevin Lewis
KFC doesn't count, Lex. Zing!
2009-01-05 16:02:46
197.   Lexinthedena
Hey Ohhhh!

It was Wing Stop actually....Same league I suppose.

2009-01-05 16:03:36
198.   silverwidow
I'm craving a Mario's (Glendale) sandwich right about now. THE best.
2009-01-05 16:06:37
199.   bhsportsguy
195 If I host the Super Bowl party, I will not bring food to your seats and I may even ask you to remove your shoes.
2009-01-05 16:07:09
200.   Lexinthedena
199 Whoa, whoa! what did I do?
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2009-01-05 16:11:03
201.   Marty
198 I had one last week. Still great, but they finally raised their prices. I used to get a sandwich for 5.50, but it's up to 7.50.
2009-01-05 16:13:05
202.   bhsportsguy
200 No I meant no seat service for my party but you are welcome to bring your own food to your seat.
2009-01-05 16:15:09
203.   Lexinthedena
201 Outside of Pollo Uncio in Pasadena, it's nearly impossible to get a good lunch for under $7.50 these days.

Tacos notwithstanding.

2009-01-05 16:15:43
204.   Lexinthedena
202 So are you volunteering?

where do you live?

2009-01-05 16:17:36
205.   ToyCannon
204
More importantly what kind of TV do you have and how much will it cost to reserve the couch?
2009-01-05 16:17:40
206.   Marty
The giant bowl of spicy beef noodle soup and 5 dumplings at Kingburg Kitchen for 6.50 is the best deal in town.
2009-01-05 16:19:08
207.   Lexinthedena
206 Where is this?
2009-01-05 16:20:19
208.   Bob Timmermann
I will have a competing Super Bowl party. And I will invite Up With People to entertain.
2009-01-05 16:23:22
209.   Lexinthedena
208 I want to jump on the joke wagon here, but I don't know who Up With People are, and I am too busy at work (lazy) to try and find out.
2009-01-05 16:23:28
210.   bhsportsguy
204 Los Angeles.
205 42 inch - LCD mounted on the wall. TC has already paid his deposit for any seat he wants.

If you are serious about this, give me a few days to make sure this can happen and then we can go from there.

2009-01-05 16:24:15
211.   bhsportsguy
208 I would hope Bob would stop by but for all I know, he schedules himself to work on Super Bowl Sunday.
2009-01-05 16:25:09
212.   Lexinthedena
210 So you live in the civic center?
2009-01-05 16:26:25
213.   Bob Timmermann
211
I'm not working on Super Bowl Sunday. I will be spending the day with the clean-cut folks from Up With People.

Ahh. Memories.

http://www.nfl.com/superbowl/history/entertainment

2009-01-05 16:27:00
214.   ToyCannon
210
Los Angeles is a bit broad.
2009-01-05 16:27:49
215.   Bob Timmermann
bhsportsguy lives in an area serviced by Time Warner Cable.
2009-01-05 16:29:28
216.   ToyCannon
I wonder what the MLB counter super bowl programming will be.
2009-01-05 16:29:43
217.   Lexinthedena
215 Yes, but does Papa Johns, Pizza Hut and Domin's deliver there?

Or La Pizza Loca and no one else.

2009-01-05 16:29:46
218.   Kevin Lewis
213

Jan. 27, 1991 would have been a rough half time show

2009-01-05 16:30:29
219.   Kevin Lewis
217

Pizza is best prepared on the BGE...with a space monkey

2009-01-05 16:31:04
220.   Kevin Lewis
Does anyone know if the BBQ's Galore on Rosemead is still in business? I don't want to call them and ask, "hey, are you still in business?"
2009-01-05 16:31:22
221.   Kevin Lewis
Grand Slam!
2009-01-05 16:31:45
222.   Bob Timmermann
What does the NFL Network show when the Super Bowl is on? Do they have something on that reads "Why are you watching this channel now?"
2009-01-05 16:33:01
223.   Eric Stephen
221
"Touch 'em all, Kevin Lewis. You'll never hit a bigger home run in your life!"
2009-01-05 16:33:25
224.   madmac
197 not even close. Wing Stop is great.
2009-01-05 16:35:20
225.   Kevin Lewis
223

Speaking of announcers...I was playing MLB2K8 last night, and man, Joe Morgan is bad in that game. I love the line, "it is always a good idea to score runs early in the ballgame"

2009-01-05 16:35:30
226.   Bob Timmermann
Super Bowl IX's halftime show was a tribute to Duke Ellington and featured Grambling's band. Too bad that hardly anybody watched it and that game was played in really bad weather.

Football halftime shows are, without exception, the worst part of football games.

I fully expect to be killed by a demented trombone player or an angry baton twirler now.

2009-01-05 16:35:38
227.   Kevin Lewis
224

I have always wanted to eat there

2009-01-05 16:35:53
228.   bhsportsguy
I live near where the LA Fedco used to call home.
2009-01-05 16:37:09
229.   eekrock
226 as somebody who is not a fan of pointyball, i fully enjoyed Tom Petty's half time show.
2009-01-05 16:39:44
230.   Jacob Burch
I consider myself an amateur Buffalo Wing snob, and I was shocked at how much I enjoyed Wing Stop's Original Hot. A thoroughly delicious wing, and pretty good bleu, considering it's a franchise.
2009-01-05 16:40:05
231.   Kevin Lewis
I am intrigued by Toycannon's payout system for the superbowl. Do you have this written down somewhere else?
2009-01-05 16:41:04
232.   Lexinthedena
It was my first time at the ol' Wing Stop. Wings are wings, hard to screw up.
2009-01-05 16:42:07
233.   Eric Stephen
225
That call of Joe Carter's 1993 World Series HR is so classic, and I heard it again watching the MLB Network. I love the call, and the intent is clearly positive but I am always also struck by the harsh and cold reality of that statement. Could lead some to depression.
2009-01-05 16:43:00
234.   Eric Stephen
I really liked the halftime performances of U2 and Tom Petty.
2009-01-05 16:44:01
235.   underdog
222 I was wondering that, too, actually. They'd probably love to do a viewer pop-up comment show like they did during the Presidential debates on that one cable channel.

Or perhaps they just put up a mirror for four hours.

2009-01-05 16:44:04
236.   Lexinthedena
233 If you were calling it from the Wild Thing's perspective, how would it have gone?

"Watch it go Mitch, you'll be doing franchise bar food commercials without the mullet sooner than you think!"

2009-01-05 16:45:37
237.   Jacob Burch
232 Of the alarming number of Wings claiming to be Buffalo Hot Wings I've had, half a dozen make the mark for me as repeatable 'A's.

It shouldn't be hard to make at least a B (even Claim Jumper does!), but I've had some really bad wings before. Hamburger Hamlet was public enemy number one in this regard.

2009-01-05 16:46:52
238.   Lexinthedena
Barney's in Pasadena (not the Beanery)...has great Buffalo Wings.
2009-01-05 16:47:19
239.   silverwidow
My co-worker said Wing Stop isn't as good as Pizza Hut (Wing Street). Can you anyone vouch for that?
2009-01-05 16:48:25
240.   Eric Stephen
236
The Mitch Williams version of the call would sound something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbz89jkLq8k (skip to about the 2 minute mark)

2009-01-05 16:49:52
241.   underdog
I hope people don't look down on me for saying this but I'm not a big fan of chicken wings in general so I've been that into Buffalo Hot Wings and the like. I do like the tangy/spicy sauce, though. Just give me that sauce on a breast.

Er, chicken breast, to be precise.

Er.

2009-01-05 16:49:59
242.   Lexinthedena
240 I'm at work, and it is one of those serious days, so you'll have to tell me about it
2009-01-05 16:50:05
243.   Indiana Jon
209 They are the only act ever to perform at both a Super Bowl and my high school. They will always hold that distinction. You must be 25 or younger.
2009-01-05 16:50:06
244.   Jacob Burch
239 If it's in regards to hot wings (I can't speak for Mild or BBQ or anything else), unequivocally false.

Barney's were average, but the sauce didn't pack enough heat and the wings were a little too big for my tastes. High quality meat though.

2009-01-05 16:51:05
245.   underdog
"not been that into..." that should read.

Sigh, it's been a looonnng day.

2009-01-05 16:51:49
246.   Lexinthedena
244 I love the big wings, and the juicy meat...You are right about the lame sauce though.
2009-01-05 16:51:54
247.   eekrock
for the pizza joint wings i've had, i'd lean either BJ's or Round Table.

if anyone is closer to the orange curtain, my top ranking goes to Heroes in Fullerton, and Beachwood BBQ in Seal Beach does Hot Wings in a different light, but very well (as well as having an amazing beer selection). Also, Naja's at the Redondo Beach Pier has respectable wings (again, that could be the 70+ beers on tap talking).

2009-01-05 16:52:05
248.   Lexinthedena
243 26
2009-01-05 16:53:08
249.   bhsportsguy
244 Having made them back when I worked for a caterer, mass quantities to be served to the public are usually toned down so people don't freak out.

There are exceptions but those are usually ordered that way.

2009-01-05 16:53:57
250.   Eric Stephen
242
The link was from Super Bowl XIII (the Jackie Smith drop in the end zone): "Bless his heart, he's got to be the sickest man in America."
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2009-01-05 16:54:38
251.   DaDoughboy
A good homemade hot wing is actually surprisingly easy to make (as opposed to a good cheesesteak, or carnitas, etc.). Broil some wing till halfway done, get some Franks Red Hot, Tabasco, honey, butter..into a crockpot for 2 hours..then BAM.
2009-01-05 16:55:05
252.   Tripon
"Claudio provides us with Major League experience and versatility," Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti said in a statement. "He's won at the major league level and he can start or work out of the bullpen if necessary."

Is it odd that Ned Colletti never gives a reason why a player is good(like how exactly he helps a ballclub to win) and instead goes into PR speak to explain his like of a player?

http://blogs.pe.com/prosports/mlb/dodgers/

2009-01-05 16:55:10
253.   Eric Stephen
For a reasonably decent-sized chain, Oggi's Pizza makes really good wings.
2009-01-05 16:58:08
254.   eekrock
253 oh yeah, i tried those. they are respectable.
2009-01-05 16:58:14
255.   KG16
233 - Immediately after hearing the call of Carter's home run, I think about something someone said on one of those Fox Sports countdown shows, it was like best homeruns ever, and the guy said, "Joe Carter, you hit a home run to win the world series. Never complain about anything ever again."

Honestly, I know a lot of guys that would trade almost anything and everything they have just for that one moment. Heck, I know a lot of guys that would trade body parts for the Tyus Edney shot. And if you think about it, moments like that have made countless people happy.

2009-01-05 16:59:33
256.   qazplm
220 - I pass by there all the time. I went a couple of months ago and they still were. I assume you're talking about the one near the 210?
2009-01-05 17:00:06
257.   Indiana Jon
253 I sent you an email.
2009-01-05 17:00:12
258.   Bob Timmermann
Up With People at the Rose Parade last year:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pHRar8LQrs&feature=related

SFW.

In a sense.

2009-01-05 17:01:07
259.   Kevin Lewis
man, now I am hungry
2009-01-05 17:01:16
260.   Jacob Burch
249 There's still a way to have some bite on the 'default' sauce, or Hot sauce if they provide mild. Claim Jumper and Wing Stop get this, but Claim's meat quality kills any chance they have.
2009-01-05 17:02:44
261.   Indiana Jon
Is Kirby Puckett really the ninth best CF of all time? Somehow I doubt that.
2009-01-05 17:03:20
262.   Jon Weisman
I like the combo of 258 and 259.
2009-01-05 17:03:23
263.   Jacob Burch
257 How is the Mac working out?
2009-01-05 17:06:55
264.   ToyCannon
231
Example:
$20 per square
$2000 total payout
Each score after the extra point attempt pays out $50.00
Payout at the end of 1st Qtr, 2nd Qtr, and 3rd Qtr is $200.00 per quarter.
Total payout depends on how many scores.
So last year's game went like this.
Score = Giants 3 - Pat's 0 3/0 pays out 50.00
1st Qtr Score of 3/0 pays out 200.00 so the same person has now won 250.00
Score = Giants 3 - Pat's 7 3/7 pays out 50.00
Half ends 3/7 so that person wins 200.00
3rd Qtr same score of 3/7 so that person wins another 200.00
Score = Giants 10 - Pat's 7 0/7 pays out 50.00
Score = Giants 10 - Pat's 14 0/4 pays out 50.00
Score = Gaints 17 - Pats 14 7/4 pays out 50.00
Final Score Giants 17 - Pats 14 7/4 wins $1,150
2009-01-05 17:07:13
265.   Jon Weisman
Soylent Green is Up with People!
2009-01-05 17:07:59
266.   Bob Timmermann
An actual Up With People Super Bowl halftime show:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bQI7CGfJyM

2009-01-05 17:10:28
267.   bhsportsguy
252 Well, this affliction is not limited to Ned. But I understand your thought process.
2009-01-05 17:10:39
268.   Indiana Jon
263 I'm loving it so far. It's taken a while to get used to it and I'm still not a pro, but it just runs so well compared to windows. So far there is nothing about Windows that I miss. I did have to get a copy of Office though, can't live without that.
2009-01-05 17:11:41
269.   bhsportsguy
264 How many people do you usually need to sell a 100 square pool?
2009-01-05 17:12:15
270.   KG16
261 - in what universe would Kirby Puckett be considered a top 10 center fielder of all time?

Let's see: Mays, DiMaggio, Mantle, Snider, Griffey Jr, Speaker, Doby, our own Andruw Jones (at least before this year), Cobb?

2009-01-05 17:13:00
271.   underdog
Society is so cynical these days, if they did bring it back they'd probably change it to "Up Yours, People," and have the singers part of a reality show contest competing with each other to be the lead.
2009-01-05 17:13:17
272.   Tripon
Ty Cobb seems otherworldly during his time. Hell, he'd be a damn fine ballplayer if he was playing today. Wouldn't he be top of the list?
2009-01-05 17:14:48
273.   CajunDodger
Since we are on food today (and Jon is being just plain silly in 265 ), I need the DTers to come through for me. I need to take my wife out to a REALLY nice dinner to celebrate her being done with grad school.

No real boundaries on food type, but I would like to get out of there spending less than $200 for two people. She loves a good steak place (Pacific Dining Car and Mortons are favorites), but I want to be creative...

Any thoughts would be appreciated, though I will take all the credit for finding the place...

2009-01-05 17:14:57
274.   Indiana Jon
270 It's on MLB Network right now and to be honest, I'm having trouble thinking of 10 better. Puckett was 10, Edmonds 9, Snider 8 and Griffey 7 so far.
2009-01-05 17:15:01
275.   KG16
268 - I've got office and iwork on my mac. i don't really use iwork except pages has a nice template for screen play writing. and i think iwork will translate your files into office friendly docs, but i haven't really played around with it too much.
2009-01-05 17:15:18
276.   Bob Timmermann
CFs (in at least 75% of their games) with at least 3000 PA, arranged by OPS+

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/uRCs

2009-01-05 17:16:50
277.   KG16
274 - i actually had to do a google search for a couple of lists. you would think CF would have produced more great players, or I just underrate Kirby. Still, Mays, Cobb, DiMaggio, Mantle, and Snider have to be the top five.
2009-01-05 17:17:54
278.   Indiana Jon
274 That should be 9, 8, 7, and 6.
2009-01-05 17:19:27
279.   DaDoughboy
273.
Depending on where you are at, the Mastros in Thousand Oaks is incredible (there is also one more in Beverly Hills)..great piano, great wine list, ridiculous meat cuts..
2009-01-05 17:19:46
280.   Indiana Jon
275 I just got Office since I could get a full copy for $20 with my discount.
2009-01-05 17:21:12
281.   underdog
273 Is Vincenti Ristorante still in LA (Brentwood)? Excellent Italian place. Or Mako in Beverly Hills. Or Grace on Beverly.

And then I know a lot of more divey places. Congrats to your wife!

2009-01-05 17:21:19
282.   Jacob Burch
273 I'd review Jon Gold's list of 99 restaurants (which someone here very very kindly linked to a month or so ago) and seem which one seems most up her tastes. I can re-tinyurl it if you want/need.

The easy answers: AOC, Providence, Craft, Cut

2009-01-05 17:21:58
283.   CajunDodger
279
We live in the Pasadena area, but geography does not matter. Even San Diego would be fine.
2009-01-05 17:22:46
284.   Tripon
276 Where's Ty Cobb on that list?
2009-01-05 17:22:57
285.   Indiana Jon
276 Didn't see the Duke on that list. Did he not play 75% in CF?
2009-01-05 17:23:42
286.   CajunDodger
282
That just so happens to be on my favorites list.
2009-01-05 17:23:51
287.   Indiana Jon
284 I'm not sure Cobb played much center. I though he played mostly at the corner spots.
2009-01-05 17:24:57
288.   Indiana Jon
287 Guess I'm wrong. He's on this show.
2009-01-05 17:25:22
289.   Jacob Burch
286 It is a spectacular list, and gives you a great impression of what I really feel is a 90% comprehensive list. There are other good restaurants in LA, but I can't think of many that clearly deserve to beat out the ones listed there.

Cut may be your best bet if you wanted to cue in on the Steak business, but it's a fun list to not only find a great match for this occasion, but get a few ideas for later.

Let us know what you decide!

2009-01-05 17:26:33
290.   Indiana Jon
284 285 No Mantle either. Something's not right Bob.
2009-01-05 17:28:46
291.   bhsportsguy
286 For a special occasion, I might look for a small place on Gold's list and an off night (M-Wed) and ask them if they can do something special, maybe a prix-fix meal for your budget. It will show your wife that you took some extra time and give the kitchen a chance to show off.
2009-01-05 17:29:16
292.   Jacob Burch
Mantle's later years at LF and 1B probably took him out of the 75% range.
2009-01-05 17:35:22
293.   Bob Timmermann
Don't blame me! Blame the criteria!

It's the criteria's fault!

2009-01-05 17:36:42
294.   bhsportsguy
Mantle played 1745 games in CF out of 2290 games in the field. That's 76%.
2009-01-05 17:37:11
295.   Indiana Jon
Looks like prior to 1956, baseball reference didn't differentiate between OF positions all the time. Therefore, it thinks Duke only played 503 games in CF and Cobb is listed only as OF.
2009-01-05 17:39:30
296.   Indiana Jon
Was Joe Jackson not a CF? I always thought of him as one, but apparently he was a RF. Can anyone confirm?
2009-01-05 17:45:47
297.   bhsportsguy
296 Via Retrosheet, Shoeless Joe was not a CF.

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/J/Pjackj101.htm

2009-01-05 17:50:53
298.   underdog
I still can't get over the fact that there is a college football championship game this Thursday, January 8. But I'm still in that archaic mindset from childhood when the college football season ended on January 1st.

And games weren't sponsored by lame-sounding companies.

And... and...

You kids stay off my lawn!

2009-01-05 17:53:57
299.   das411
Which of the following is more impressive re: Bob's list from 276 ?

- Ken Griffey Jr. has the third-most games played of any of those CFers

- Grady Sizemore is 13th all time after only playing five full seasons

- Bernie Williams = 14th, Kirby Puckett = 16th and Hall of Famer

- Aaron Rowand is only 44th on the list, watch out behind you Torii Hunter!

- Who on earth is/was Benny Kauff???

2009-01-05 17:57:07
300.   Indiana Jon
299 I'll go with "Who on earth is/was Benny Kauff???".

Sizemore being high on the list after only 5 seasons actually probably favors him. The rest of them had to play as old men already.

How about Rick Monday!

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2009-01-05 17:57:18
301.   Marty
Cajun Dodger, I went to a great place for my birthday last night. It's the Dal Rae in Pico Rivera. An old time restaurant that my parents used to go to. They've got a great old menu. They specialize in peppercorn steak (all cuts). I had Steak Diane (for two) and Caesar salad (for two). For dessert, we had Cherries Jubilee and Bananas Foster. Everything was terrific. Corkage was $20. 8 people got out of there for $75 per person. I highly recommend. Google Dal Rae Restaurant and you'll be able to see their menu. it.
2009-01-05 18:01:12
302.   underdog
Happy Birthday Marty! (In case I forget tomorrow, which I may, because it'll be busy.)
2009-01-05 18:01:41
303.   CajunDodger
Many thanks for the recommendations...
2009-01-05 18:02:00
304.   bhsportsguy
301 The dumplings or tacos for lunch on me. Just let me know where and when.
2009-01-05 18:02:04
305.   Marty
I just got dragged to a Goodwill store on Broadway by a friend who loves to rummage around. I spotted an autographed copy of Ball Four and got it for $2.
2009-01-05 18:02:50
306.   Marty
Thanks Underdog! BH, I'll try to come up with a day.
2009-01-05 18:07:21
307.   Eric Stephen
The "Epic Moments" on MLB Network is firing me up, but it's really chilling to hear Roberto Clemente say "there's no telling how long you're going to be here" as his 3,000th (and final) hit is shown.
2009-01-05 18:07:23
308.   Bob Hendley
What, no Baked Alaska!? Happy Birthday Marty. Sure wish I lived in LA to partake of your many wonderful dinning suggestions
2009-01-05 18:09:38
309.   silverwidow
301 Their prices are scary.

$104 for 1 ounce of caviar?!?!? (Not that I'm familiar with that cuisine or anything).

2009-01-05 18:10:51
310.   Indiana Jon
According to retrosheet, Bob is right.

Mantle in CF 1745/2401 = 72.68%

Duke in CF 1589/2143 = 74.15%

Cobb in CF 2195/3035 = 72.32%

2009-01-05 18:12:51
311.   Marty
I loathe caviar, so I didn't even notice it.
2009-01-05 18:15:13
312.   bhsportsguy
307 I watched that game (it was the Game of the Week) and I remember that New Year's Eve night/New Year's Day when it was announced that he was missing.
2009-01-05 18:15:38
313.   Indiana Jon
307 Call me a sucker, but I can watch this station all night.
2009-01-05 18:20:17
314.   Bob Hendley
310 - Criteria being criteria, why shouldn't it be 51%? I mean, guy's got to play somewhere.
2009-01-05 18:24:19
315.   Bob Hendley
311 - We part company there. What I can't stand is all that stuff they give you with it, chopped onions, eggs, and capers, and even little toasts or blini. For me its spoon to mouth and popping them open with my teeth (a more expensive version of bubble wrap).
2009-01-05 18:24:50
316.   scareduck
308 - I got a Sarah Palin (pinup?) calendar for Christmas as a gag gift ...
2009-01-05 18:26:26
317.   Bob Hendley
Oh, and Jackie O used to put them on her baked potatoes. Good eatin.
2009-01-05 18:28:29
318.   underdog
This is apropos of nothing, but my mom sent me a package of my stuff she found in the closet of their house. All mix tapes (and a few non-mix) that I made in the mid to late 80s. Now I have to go out and get a cassette deck again!

If only to hear The Untouchables, Nik Kershaw, Waterboys, Split Enz and Icicle Works (the last one recorded from a record!) This is just all kinds of awesome. Oh, plus Eddie Murphy.

Craigslist here I come!

2009-01-05 18:34:23
319.   Tripon
Dylan Hernadez has a new post up at the L.A. Times.

Ned Coletti says that he and Boras are talking about Manny, but no new offer was made yet. Dodgers would like to re-sign Saito, but Saito agent hasn't called the Dodgers back about it. And Pedro Martinez wants a one year deal, but the Dodgers' are not one of the teams interested in him.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/01/dodgers-gm-on-m.html

2009-01-05 18:35:03
320.   Indiana Jon
318 I just brought home a bunch of stuff that I had in a closet at mom's house this past weekend. Wonderful trip down memory lane. The big item for me was my 1988 Dodgers World Champion t-shirt, complete with faces of each player. I better hold onto that one, might not ever have a chance at another.
2009-01-05 18:35:14
321.   Tripon
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2009/01/agent-andruw-jo.html

Scott Boras talks about Andruw Jones. Boras thinks Andruw can still be an everyday player.

2009-01-05 18:36:32
322.   Indiana Jon
Anyone think Pedro could become a closer?
2009-01-05 18:37:20
323.   Bob Hendley
P4DP, or is he a Type B?
2009-01-05 18:37:26
324.   Tripon
Boras also said he wanted to show the Dodgers his willingness to resolve problems involving his clients.

"They took a big pill here," Boras said of the Dodgers. "It was a positive for both sides, really. ...Andruw felt it was best for him."

This made me laugh for some reason.

2009-01-05 18:40:41
325.   Bob Hendley
320 - Oh, come on! Even Gertrude Baines has a shot.
2009-01-05 18:47:52
326.   Brent Knapp
CNNSI's MLB front page:
"Giants haven't yet talked to Manny"

About three inches away under Heyman's section:
"Giants, Dodgers, to war over Manny?"

Heyman is awful.

2009-01-05 18:56:13
327.   Bob Timmermann
313
I manage to make it through the day without watching that network at all.
2009-01-05 18:56:29
328.   Eric Stephen
320
I loved that shirt! I wish I still had that one, or the similar shirts from the 1987 ("Drive For Five") or 1988 ("Back to Back") Lakers. I had a 3-Peat shirt that was brought prematurely in 1989, an act which surely caused a 12-year title drought.
2009-01-05 19:03:03
329.   underdog
320 That's definitely a keeper! I'll trade you my Cure and Wall of Voodoo for that. ;-)
2009-01-05 19:06:49
330.   Bob Timmermann
The Texas band is playing "Stairway to Heaven."

It does not do the song justice.

But it's a halftime show. If God had meant us to listen to music played by large marching bands in a football stadium, Mozart would have been commissioned by NFL Films.

2009-01-05 19:07:17
331.   fordprefect
318
What, no Oingo Boingo?
2009-01-05 19:20:11
332.   Indiana Jon
329 If you had any idea how hard that shirt was to get in Indiana prior to the internet, then you would realize I will never trade it!
2009-01-05 19:30:29
333.   Tripon
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/phillies-romero.html

J.C. Romero suspended 50 games for failing a drug test.

2009-01-05 19:34:04
334.   Bob Timmermann
333
Does that make Ethier's DP in the 8th inning of Game 4 null and void now?
2009-01-05 19:41:08
335.   underdog
332 I was kidding, of course, would expect it'd take a lot more than that to pry it out of your hands.

331 Oh, they're there, too. Believe me. Early REM, Untouchables, Pretenders, it's all there.

That and a few items too embarrassing to mention.

2009-01-05 20:01:45
336.   Bob Timmermann
It's official:

Matt Vasgersian has said that the Fiesta Bowl is "more than just an exhibition game."

2009-01-05 20:02:40
337.   Brent Knapp
318 Underdog, I have a good quality tape deck that I'd love to get rid of. I don't think I've used it in ten years but as far as I know still works perfectly.
2009-01-05 20:06:44
338.   fordprefect
335

Heh. Naughty Sweeties?

2009-01-05 20:08:03
339.   fordprefect
335
and you can have my cassette deck when you pr....well....you can probably fill in the blanks.
2009-01-05 20:09:53
340.   Marty
Man, I saw the Naughty Sweeties way too many times at the old Madame Wong's in Chinatown. They were...not very good.
2009-01-05 20:11:31
341.   Tripon
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-mannyupdate010409&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Tim Brown lists reasons why teams should sign manny.

2009-01-05 20:19:11
342.   Bob Hendley
330 - Lindsey Buckingham won't do, I suppose?
2009-01-05 20:21:11
343.   Bob Timmermann
342
Speaking as a UCLA alum, I really don't mind the USC band. But I really hate listening to "Tusk."

I pretty much hate all of the UCLA band's repertoire. It's been updated twice since I graduated in 1987 I think.

2009-01-05 20:22:13
344.   Tripon
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/sports/baseball/06yanks.html?_r=1&ref=sports

Andy Pettiette rejects the 10 million dollar offer from the Yankees.

2009-01-05 20:25:08
345.   Jon Weisman
"Manny Ramirez's agent and Dodgers' Ned Colletti are still talking"

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-spw-dodgers6-2009jan06,0,6381058.story

2009-01-05 20:29:19
346.   Bob Hendley
Brass or military bands can be quite stirring, when they stick to pieces written for them. I am particulalry fond of dirges (but having trouble finding a good collection).
2009-01-05 20:29:25
347.   bhsportsguy
343 "Movin' On Up" "Strike Up The Band"
2009-01-05 20:37:03
348.   fordprefect
340
probably as bad as I was at some of their Club 88 shows ;)
2009-01-05 20:40:10
349.   Bob Timmermann
345
Yes, but are they talking to each other and negotiating? I'm talking to my cat now. It doesn't mean we're negotiating.
2009-01-05 20:42:58
350.   fordprefect
345 349
Boras-speak for "c'mon Giants, waddaya got?"
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2009-01-05 20:51:48
351.   KG16
349 - which makes one ponder whether Boras calls Ned (or vice versa) for advice on where to get a good cut of prime rib or how the kids/new car are doing.
2009-01-05 21:00:58
352.   Bob Hendley
349 - are you holding that spray bottle thing in your hand?

Seems with the Druw business they have been working closely together over the past week or so, at least. I imagine that names of other clients were mentioned(as was the new space created to give his clients more money).

2009-01-05 21:05:49
353.   Tripon
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/8964/1231218120794kx3.th.jpg

Jim Tressel gives the stinkeye to Mack Brown after losing the game. I'm sure Eric Enders would love this image.

2009-01-05 21:08:01
354.   trainwreck
I think that is just how Jim Tressel always looks.
2009-01-05 21:15:43
355.   Humma Kavula
If Cajun is still taking recommendations... Pasadena is home to Maison Akira. French-Asian, not steak, but certainly delish. Also: not sure if you can get out for <$200. But definitely great.
2009-01-05 21:26:30
356.   Andrew Shimmin
The restaurant Marty recommended spent four thousand dollars on their wifi setup. Diamond encrusted router, I guess.

http://www.dalrae.com/online.htm

2009-01-05 21:48:28
357.   ucladodger
273

Take her to Fogo de Chau. Really nice Brazilian steakhouse that serves around 13 different cuts of all you can eat meat. They have filet mignon, filet wrapped in bacon, top sirloin, bottom sirloin, etc. All of it super delicious brought to you right after its cooked. Also an awesome salad bar (dont get too much from there, though. Save up for the meat!) It really is a unique and great dining experience. I think its around $65 per person for dinner, which really isnt that bad considering it is all you can eat, especially in contrast to the amount you will pay for one good piece of meat at a high end steakhouse.

2009-01-05 21:49:04
358.   Tripon
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-freeagencynotebook010509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Aberu wants 3 years/48 million. Yikes!

2009-01-05 21:52:59
359.   trainwreck
And I want to live in the Playboy Mansion.

Both have the same probability of happening.

2009-01-05 21:55:59
360.   kinbote
You guys, the Wil Ledezma to the Nationals discussion is not going to conduct itself!
2009-01-05 21:57:26
361.   bhsportsguy
Prime 9 HRs, list seems geared to the television era which makes sense:

9. Chris Chambliss, 1976 AL Pennant Winner. Saw it.
8. Aaron Boone, 2003 AL Pennant Winner. Saw it.
7. Carlton Fisk, won Game 6 1975 World Series. Saw it. (First 3, their teams lost the World Series.) Of course this doesn't happen without Bernie Carbo's 3-run HR.
6. Babe Ruth, his called shot in the 1932 World Series. No, did not see it. (Lou Gehrig came up next and hit a home run to the almost identical spot.)
5. Henry Aaron, 715th in 1974 vs. Al Downing and the Dodgers. Saw this one too so I did not hear Vin's call.
4. Kirk Gibson, 1988 World Series game winner. Did I see this one, what do you think.
3. Joe Carter, 1993 World Series winner. I think I saw this one.
2. Mazeroski's 1960 World Series winner. I won a McDonald's quiz card knowing that Ralph Terry gave up this home run. Slightly before my time.
1. The _____ win the pennant, the ______win the pennant. I read about this game in the first baseball history book I ever owned, soon with "Sports Challenge" and other documentaries, I would learn more about it. Best reporting about this moment is Red Smith's column.

2009-01-05 22:02:21
362.   jasonungar07
Does Jones not think he is better than Juan Pierre? That he can't beat out Juan Pierre to be a starter in the Dodger outfield all of a sudden? Or even young players such as Ethier or Kemp. He says he belives he had a knee issue and was never really right and will be a starter again, what makes him believe he can't do it with the dodgers after they invested 36 million in him? Or does Boras know that Manny will be a Dodger ? It sure seems like that
2009-01-05 22:03:50
363.   Harold M Johnson
358 same article mentions Looper in addition to Garland and Wolf on Coletti's radar. Who do DTs prefer of those 3?
2009-01-05 22:06:06
364.   bhsportsguy
Bob is happy that he does not have MLB Network right now, he will miss a tour of Busch Stadium circa 2004. This is not the current home of the best fans in baseball.
2009-01-05 22:07:03
365.   Tripon
I'd say Wolf. He has the potential to be a number 3 starter. Looper and Garland are 5th starters at best.
2009-01-05 22:08:29
366.   John Hale
343
I will have to check marchingbandreference.com but the chances of the trojans playing a wider selection then the solid gold sound (UCLA band) from the years I was at each game(85-95) is minimal. The SC band is not good but has the hollywood aura. The UCLA band is OK but boring to non band geeks. Big ten bands are fun for five minutes but only sound OK. Texas bands are the best combo. And marching band discussions are boring. Sorry I replied to this glib comment.
2009-01-05 22:14:13
367.   trainwreck
I swear Oregon's band just plays Stone Cold Steve Austin's theme song all the time.
2009-01-05 22:18:53
368.   larry slimfast
363 I like Looper. He's probably the cheapest and the best of the 3.
2009-01-05 22:20:03
369.   dkminnick
340 348 - Late 70's/early 80's LA New Wave? Something tells me the three of us have been in the same room (not DS) in our lifetimes. You guys remember The Kats?
2009-01-05 22:21:50
370.   John Hale
I sat ten rows behind the Oregon band in mac court yesterday and now I know what that song was. They did play that a bunch.
The oregon faithful were great to my kids in UCLA jerseys. Better then the Portlandian who smashed my car window to steal my kids DVD player that we couldn't get to work. All because we spent an hour at Powell's books. I might give up reading.
Still worth the trip to see Darren Collison at the free throw line. He is unreal.
2009-01-05 22:23:37
371.   bhsportsguy
370 Bummer about the window.
2009-01-05 22:31:22
372.   Bob Hendley
Are band members recruited, or is it purely amatuer?
2009-01-05 22:31:25
373.   Bob Hendley
Are band members recruited, or is it purely amatuer?
2009-01-05 22:32:15
374.   John Hale
371
Yeah but Duct tape is a wonderful thing. A bruin loss would have been worse as I have seen the last four losses in Seattle and the loss to Cal in the 2007 Pac-10 tourney. Since UCLA hasn't lost much the last three years it is a little much.
This was a great trip for this hoops fan as both UCLA and USC teams and associated parties were most of the occupants of the same hotel in Eugene that we stayed at.
2009-01-05 22:33:41
375.   27indigo
370 My wife and I were just a couple of sections over in 119. We relocated after the call to fill out the lower sections.

We live in Oregon, but from California. We've never had a hard time with the fans in Eugene.

2009-01-05 22:35:12
376.   Tripon
Finally an answer! Cafardo learned that teams can sign as many as nine Type A or B free agents this year. So to all those who emailed: yes, the Yankees can technically sign Manny Ramirez. I tried to decipher the quota section of the Basic Agreement in October, but didn't come up with nine.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/01/cafardos-latest.html

2009-01-05 22:37:05
377.   John Hale
373 Some of the more musically talented band members used it as a way to gain entry into certain majors that they may not have qualified for based on their high school academics (such as the school of engineering) but the music recruiting is pretty minimal except for the real musicians who are unlikely to spend time on a football field and will just be in the regular music program
2009-01-05 22:40:08
378.   John Hale
375 that is exactly what we did. The third level was amazing as it looked like the seats were made by a high shcool shop project. We heard the announcement and ran downstairs.
People were still more likely to talk about Kevin Love then show any hate towards the bruins.
2009-01-05 22:50:47
379.   Eric Stephen
376
Woo hoo, clarification!

363
If forced to choose between only those three, I'd take Garland. But I'd rather have Sheets or Pettitte.

2009-01-05 23:17:08
380.   Tripon
279 Why allow a team to sign 9 type-A and type-B free agents? That's nuts! Whats the point of a limit then!?
2009-01-05 23:19:15
381.   Bob Hendley
363 - As back of the rotation, long relief innings eaters, I would probably go with Garland, Looper and then Wolf, but they are probably too pricey for what they are. Better to bring in someone with higher upside and use Stults in this role.
2009-01-05 23:29:59
382.   underdog
363 I have been an advocate of Looper before so I'll stay on that bandwagon. He's cheaper and I think underrated, Garland will be mediocre or worse. I'm okay with Wolf, too, though he'd be pricier than Looper and more of an injury risk.

369 Actually this was all mid to late 80s, or at least that's when I made these tapes. I guess some of the music's a little older though. I was hipper than I thought I was! I even had some VU on there. I don't recall the Kats actually. Hrm, maybe I'm not that hip.

2009-01-05 23:32:33
383.   Tripon
Stults has higher upside over Looper, Garland, or Wolf?
2009-01-05 23:39:16
384.   silverwidow
I want the Wolf Pack back.
2009-01-05 23:56:11
385.   underdog
I'm watching Match Game on GSN when I should be in bed. Boy for I show I loved when I was little, it sure hasn't aged all that well. But still love it.

Contestants always picked Richard Dawson when they had to do a one-on-one match.

And there was always at least one "celebrity" I have no clue who they were.

2009-01-06 00:01:00
386.   Bob Timmermann
385

There were no "unfamous" celebrities on "Match Game."

Ever!

Once you made it on that panel, you were in. The ghost of Brett Somers is coming after you. I would also say the ghost of Patti Deutsch will come after you, except she's not dead.

2009-01-06 00:10:14
387.   underdog
But see Brett Somers I know -- as a kid I knew she was a) also a guest on other game shows, b) married to Jack Klugman and c) did something else in show business.

But I defy you to prove to me you knew who Phyllis Newman was! (Okay, I do now, but I had to look it up.)

Or Jo Ann Pflug?

Okay, I know that the latter was in the movie version of M*A*S*H* but... I never got the appeal.

2009-01-06 00:11:41
388.   underdog
Btw, did anyone see or comment on this already? Pat Knight uses a 12 year old boy to show his Texas Tech team how easy layups should be.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Pat-Knight-uses-small-boy-to-teach-team-valuable?urn=ncaab,132302

2009-01-06 00:12:55
389.   bhsportsguy
388 He could use a 5 year old throwing a tantrum to show his players how to be more like dad.
2009-01-06 00:17:32
390.   underdog
389 I was going to say...

He sure has his dad's gift for showmanship.

---

Okay, What's My Line... that's my cue to hit the sack.

2009-01-06 01:10:44
391.   PDH5204
66 I'm not so sure of that, and I'm Hiroki's biggest US citizen fan. See:

http://tinyurl.com/9b93zu

Consider his K/9. Then consider the perceived shame attending the K in that baseball universe. Then consider that such likely explains all the slap-happy singles hitters. Then consider his K/BB.

Here he is in action, for those who haven't seen him pitch [it's a bit dated, as he K's Matsui early on in the piece (the 2nd K shown)]:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU1wMH6lXHQ

Since some want Manny and a pitcher, how about Manny and Ken [signed to a Kuroda-like deal].

2009-01-06 05:13:57
392.   MSarg29
Joel Sherman and Seth Everett are having a good conversation about the direction of the A's on XM MLB channel 175.
2009-01-06 06:52:51
393.   Daniel Zappala
366 I can't believe you didn't even consider the LSJUMB.
2009-01-06 07:34:54
394.   D4P
A recent Ned Colletti-Scott Boras conversation about Manny Ramirez didn't result in progress. Boras still has his sights on at least $100MM over four years. Rosenthal adds that Manny is "cool to the idea of playing in San Francisco."
2009-01-06 07:47:56
395.   kinbote
Contestants always picked Richard Dawson when they had to do a one-on-one match.

I seem to recall they changed the rules of the final round for that very reason.

2009-01-06 07:53:52
396.   fordprefect
369
Sorry, Kats don't ring a bell. Used to live behind Kelbo's and walk to Club 88 all the time--Gears, X, Naughty Sweeties, (Frosty the drummer!) various Alvins, Cowsills (yes, you read that right), &c, &c. Sometimes hipwaders would have been nice for the forays to the men's room.
2009-01-06 07:54:45
397.   cargill06
253 It's not so much the wing, it's that they have by far hands down the best ranch dressing you'll ever taste. I worked there a couple years and tried to get my hands on the recipe but they just preferred us drivers to stay in the back. The cool thing about that job is they could care less what the drivers did in down time so chilling at the bar with the bartender watching sports was accepted.
2009-01-06 07:58:52
398.   CajunDodger
355
I made reservations for Dal Rae. I have always wanted to try Lobster Thurmidor and my wife has her eye on the peppersteak.

384
I just wonder how good our team could be with Abreu/Pettite/Wolf rather than with Manny/Wolf. If we did get both Pettite and Wolf, we would have a very lefty-heavy rotation with Elbert as an alternate during the season.

2009-01-06 08:10:32
399.   das411
...what happens if the Giants somehow sign Manny and bring back Barry Bonds??
2009-01-06 08:16:08
400.   CajunDodger
399
...hilarity ensues as Manny tries to play right field.
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2009-01-06 08:16:56
401.   fordprefect
399
I thought we've been trying to avoid going there :/
2009-01-06 08:20:32
402.   D4P
Dodgers to break with Jones by Jan. 15

http://tinyurl.com/doletthedoorhityouonyourwayout

2009-01-06 08:27:19
403.   Jon Weisman
402 - http://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/1194100.html
2009-01-06 08:28:34
404.   D4P
403
Huh...It just showed up on Dodgers.com a half-hour ago.
2009-01-06 08:38:52
405.   CajunDodger
This from Robothal on why some in the Mets organization prefer Perez to Lowe:

Oliver Perez, 27, is left-handed, eight years younger than Lowe and accustomed to pitching in New York. He also got married in mid-December, a sign of his growing maturity.

Isn't that like saying: "I'm employed here because it pays more, it's closer to home, it has better benefits and it also has the coolest supply cabinet ever."

2009-01-06 08:42:39
406.   Kevin Lewis
398

Are you going to bring your laptop?

2009-01-06 08:45:59
407.   Disabled List
I don't know why the Dodgers would agree to such a short trade-or-release deadline. No team is going to give LA so much as a bag of baseballs for Jones now, when they know they can have him for the major-league minimum in 10 days.

Jones will be paid $15 million in salary over the next six years. That means there's gonna be a "$2.5 million Andruw Jones" entry in the Also Paying salary section of the DT sidebar until 2014. Awesome.

2009-01-06 08:51:32
408.   underdog
3 yrs/$66m for Manny -- does that work, Boras?

What does Manny being cool with the idea mean -- he's into the idea of playing in SF, or not excited about it?

2009-01-06 08:51:52
409.   MC Safety
402 Best Tinyurl label yet, imo.
2009-01-06 08:52:22
410.   underdog
Okay, 3 years/70, but that's my final offer!
2009-01-06 08:53:27
411.   Tripon
5 years/90 million Boras! And not another cent!
2009-01-06 08:58:12
412.   Ken Noe
Maybe I've been watching "Fringe" and "Life" too much, but a Borasic pattern seems apparent. There's no chance of a Jones trade. This way he still gets his money and gets to go back to the Braves too for a last chance, while Ned can now no longer claim that he doesn't have the 2009 money for Manny. My guess is that now Boras, Nedster, and McCourt are just haggling about Manny's contract length. I still think Manny gets his third year.
2009-01-06 08:59:19
413.   Ken Noe
408 That's what I get for slow typing and editing.
2009-01-06 08:59:39
414.   D4P
Boras still has his sights on at least $100MM over four years

Ned needs to make some kind of public announcement regarding the date at which the Dodgers will begin accepting Serious Offers™.

This game is not too difficult for two to play at.

2009-01-06 09:00:33
415.   kinbote
It sounds like Boras is really trying to squeeze a fourth year out of us. It also sounds like our ideal fit is two years. A three year compromise is way too logical in this Bizarro Baseball world.

Really, we have no reason NOT to give three years. We just re-upped Blake & Furcal for three years; we control Martin, Ethier, & ? for three years; and, three is the magic number.

2009-01-06 09:03:10
416.   underdog
415 - Dear Scott and Ned,
Every triangle has three corners,
Every triangle has three sides,
No more, no less.
You don't have to guess.
When it's three you can see
It's a magic number.

Just do it and shut up about it. Signed,
Irritated Dodger Fans

2009-01-06 09:04:37
417.   D4P
It also sounds like our ideal fit is two years

Really, we have no reason NOT to give three years.

If our ideal fit is two years, then there would seemingly have to be at least one reason not to give three years.

2009-01-06 09:04:59
418.   MC Safety
Oh, man. A Friend has footage of this awesome Wall Of Voodoo show at the Santa Monica Civic. I forget what year, but it's totally weird. It had to have been around 1981 or 1982. There was also this guy who came out in this crazy costume that spit fire everywhere, but I can't remember his name. Incidentally, his hit song was "Fire". Something Russell I want to say (Not Arthur). Klaus Nomi played, too.
2009-01-06 09:09:26
419.   underdog
418 - That wasn't Urgh! A Music War was it? I know that WoV and Nomi were both in that live concert film. Which is maddeningly not on DVD.
2009-01-06 09:10:10
420.   kinbote
Nobody wants Andruw. Can we at least agree on this as a consensus? I don't expect him to be traded because nobody wants him. If someone signs him for the minimum, it will be like buying a lottery ticket. And many people consider the lottery to be the idiot tax.
2009-01-06 09:10:59
421.   Eric Stephen
Today's "MLB Trivia" on my daily LA Dodgers 2009 calendar is this:

"The 1984 movie 'The Natural' was based on what book by author Bernard Malamud."

You gotta love this calendar!

2009-01-06 09:11:45
422.   Kevin Lewis
410

I think we should make that offer. If they don't want it, let's get it Dunn

2009-01-06 09:15:56
423.   Bob Loblaw
408- I too was confused by the mention of Manny being "cool" to the idea of playing in SF, but the context of the article suggests that most free agent hitters don't like the pitcher-friendly aspects of ATT.
2009-01-06 09:17:38
424.   kinbote
417 If Ned and Boras are in the same room, Logic has left the building.
2009-01-06 09:21:27
425.   silverwidow
Um, why are we supposedly interested in Juan Cruz?

That would give the 17th pick to Arizona. And that would be stupid.

2009-01-06 09:23:24
426.   Tripon
425 First time I heard of the Dodgers being interested in Juan Cruz. Where did you hear it from?
2009-01-06 09:24:41
427.   silverwidow
426 Rosenthal. Says we like Cruz, Mota and Dennys Reyes.
2009-01-06 09:27:01
428.   Tripon
427 Eh, I'm sure cooler heads will prevail. Logan White or Watson will point out the Dodgers will only have one first rounder in 2009.
2009-01-06 09:29:22
429.   MC Safety
419 I think that's what it was, because I looked at the aforementioned Klaus Nomi Urgh! A Music War performance and it looked just like like the show my friend has on tape.

Not knowing the name of the guy that sings that "Fire" song is really bugging me.

2009-01-06 09:30:32
430.   kinbote
428 But what will the other seven assistants say?
2009-01-06 09:31:21
431.   Tripon
Hah, the Indians want to sign Carl Pavano. Imagine speaking to an Indians fan a year ago, and saying that the Indians swapped C.C. Sabathia for Carl Pavano.
2009-01-06 09:36:53
433.   kinbote
" [Chad] Cordero's first choice would be to sign with the Angels," Ladson explained, "because he is from Anaheim and grew up an Angels fan."

From mlb.com. I wonder why we're not named as one of the teams that's rumored to be interested in him. He's supposed to be healthy by spring training and could add some "closing experience" to our pen.

2009-01-06 09:37:59
434.   Bob Hendley
418 - Arthur Brown, no?
2009-01-06 09:40:19
435.   Tripon
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4152/1231263289618iy0.th.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/586/1231263410409if2.th.png

4chan's /g/ board was able to hack macrumors live during the keynote, and shut the thing down.

NFSW language used.

2009-01-06 09:44:26
436.   Tripon
# The Japanese press picked up on a Boston Globe article suggesting that the Red Sox had offered Takashi Saito a contract shortly after he was non-tendered by LA. Nikkan Sports adds that he got a deluge of almost 10 offers in December, including one from the Cardinals. Nikkan Sports suggests that he'll be able to beat the $2.5m the Dodgers offered, and will spend the early part of the year narrowing down his options.

http://www.npbtracker.com/2009/01/free-agent-roundup/

2009-01-06 09:45:19
437.   Kevin Lewis
436

Good for Takashi

2009-01-06 09:51:03
438.   kinbote
437 Seriously. If any baseball player "deserves" as much as he can possibly make, it's Saito. He gave his body and soul to us while he was here.
2009-01-06 09:52:01
439.   Bob Hendley
383 - Tripon, what I mean is that Stults can probably do that 5-6th starter, long reliever role without having to pay big bucks to that group and if we are going to spend more on pitching, I'd like to add a No. 2 (Lowe, Sheets of that ilk). Though I am high on Stilts.
2009-01-06 09:53:55
440.   Eric Stephen
439
Though I am high on Stilts

Nice

2009-01-06 09:56:43
441.   kinbote
Rule 11?
2009-01-06 10:06:16
442.   OhioBlues12
440 - I don't know why but that literally made me LOL in my cube.
2009-01-06 10:09:04
443.   Tripon
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=1141

Will Carroll reports that the banned substance that J.C. Romero took is basically an anabolic steroid.

2009-01-06 10:09:33
444.   wronghanded
439 Technically isn't everybody "high" while on stilts?
2009-01-06 10:11:13
445.   kinbote
444 Not if you're standing in a ditch.
2009-01-06 10:14:45
446.   Marty
398 I really hope you like it!
2009-01-06 10:18:05
447.   MC Safety
434 That's it! Man, I was off. I knew I had the Arthur part right. What a weird song. Thanks, Bob Hendley.
2009-01-06 10:20:15
448.   Tripon
339 ...what happens if the Giants somehow sign Manny and bring back Barry Bonds??

Somebody gets converted to a first baseman.

2009-01-06 10:23:48
449.   MC Safety
Whoa. That Arthur Brown song is from 1968. I was way off. My friend must have had that song on the same tape as the Urgh! show.
2009-01-06 10:28:21
450.   cargill06
444 You ever get hooked up with rakeback? It almost seems to good to be true, I'm earning $150-$200 a week in rakeback and I'm only playing $.25/$.50 NL, while managing to turn a profit myself. You can be slightley in the red and still make money. At the $.25/$.50 NL game you'll make on average $0.015 per hand. If you ever sign up for thisisthenuts dot com shoot me an E-Mail and use me as a referral, you'll earn me some coin too.
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2009-01-06 10:37:22
451.   mintxcore
449

Oh the Crazy World of Arthur Brown is amazing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOErZuzZpS8

A few years ago he released a concept album about vampires (before vampires were Twilighted) and it's pretty amazing.

2009-01-06 10:54:14
452.   Jon Weisman
NPUT

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