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I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony, but I can't.
What I can do, perhaps, is illustrate that you don't have to like or dislike everything the Dodgers have done under Paul DePodesta.
Look at the following almost-comprehensive list of Dodger transactions since DePodesta became general manager (information courtesy of Dodgers.com). I defy you to like or hate them all. I've offered my interpretations your mileage will vary.
That doesn't mean you can't ultimately form an opinion of DePodesta as generally good or generally bad. Some transactions are more important than others. But maybe it will help make my case that DePodesta isn't this alien species that has come here either to serve man, or, you know, to serve man. Maybe it will help us all realize that DePodesta's fans are not blind supporters, and that his detractors can find a silver lining here or there.
We'll see. Have a read and a smile
3/20/05 Acquired C Jason Phillips from the New York Mets in exchange for LHP Kazuhisa Ishii.
Solid saving dollars and improving the catching while Ishii still has mythical value.
2/3/05 Agreed to terms with Japanese 3B Norihiro Nakamura on a one-year minor league contract with an invitation to Spring Training.
Low-cost investment in an Jose Valentin alternative/platoon partner.
1/13/05 Signed C Paul Bako to a one-year contract.
Low-cost but seems pointless.
1/11/05 Signed RHP Derek Lowe to a four-year contract.
Will help, but risky, expensive. Would have liked to have seen better solutions for the pitching and better places to spend $36 million.
1/11/05 Acquired C Dioner Navarro, RHP Danny Muegge, RHP Beltran Perez and RHP William Juarez from the Diamondbacks for OF Shawn Green and cash.
Good to cut losses on a player in decline.
1/7/05 Signed LHP Odalis Perez to a three-year contract with a club option for a fourth year.
Riskier than people seem to think.
12/23/04 Signed OF J.D. Drew to a five-year contract.
Given the reality that Adrian Beltre was gone, a good singing. Just today, Nate Silver of Baseball Prospectus wrote:
"The best of the "major" free agent signings appears to be J.D. Drew. While PECOTA is usually not very kind to players with substantial injury histories, it's worth remembering that almost every veteran player carries some injury risk, and Drew has at least demonstrated an ability to play well when he does take the field. It's also worth noting that a fair number of Drew's comparables--guys like Brian Giles--had late peaks."
12/21/04 Did not tender 2005 contracts to INF Alex Cora, LHP Scott Stewart and C Tom Wilson, making them free agents.
Cora's loss is a casualty of the arbitration system. The Dodgers might have retained him for the contract he ultimately received from Cleveland, but the salary arbitration they would have been bound to offer would have paid him more.
12/21/04 Signed INF Jose Valentin to a one-year contract and re-signed LHP Wilson Alvarez to a two-year contract.
Don't like signing Valentin, though the small timeframe is a consolation. Like the Alvarez signing.
12/13/04 Selected RHP Dennis Houlton from the Astros in the Rule 5 Draft.
Thought little of it at the time - looking good so far.
12/11/04 Claimed LHP Frank Brooks off waivers from the Pittsburgh Pirates.
Could contribute this year.
12/9/04 Signed INF Jeff Kent to a two-year contract.
Like this.
12/7/04 Re-signed RHP Elmer Dessens to a one-year contract with a mutual option for 2006.
Don't like.
12/6/04 Agreed to terms with OF Ricky Ledee on a two-year contract.
Not thrilling.
11/16/04 Signed RHP Ryan Rupe, RHP Buddy Carlyle, OF Tydus Meadows, INF Tony Schrager and INF Jose Flores to minor league contracts with invitations to Spring Training.
Carlyle may turn out to be key.
11/14/04 Signed OF Mike Edwards, C Mike Rose and OF Jon Weber to minor league contracts with invitations to Spring Training.
Interesting at the time, looking like non-events at this point.
2004-2005 offseason Lost 3B Adrian Beltre, UT Jose Hernandez, OF Steve Finley, P Jose Lima as free agents.
Finley, Lima and Hernandez cases not unlike Cora's. I lament Beltre's departure.
8/19/04 Acquired RHP Elmer Dessens and cash considerations from the Diamondbacks in exchange for minor league OF Jereme Milons.
This turned out to be harmless, and Dessens did contribute in the division-clinching game.
8/18/04 Aquired nonroster LHP Scott Stewart from the Indians for cash or a PTBN.
Whatever.
8/17/04 Acquired nonroster C Tom Wilson from the Mets for nonroster C Tony Socarras.
No big thing.
7/31/04 Recalled RHP Yhency Brazoban from Triple-A Las Vegas.
I'm not mentioning most minor league callups, but placing faith in Brazoban in 2004 was obviously sound.
7/31/04 Acquired OF Steve Finley and C Brent Mayne from the Arizona Diamondbacks in exchange for OF Reggie Abercrombie, LHP Bill Murphy and C Koyie Hill.
Didn't care for getting Finley at the time I was wrong.
7/31/04 Acquired minor league OF Henri Stanley from the Boston Red Sox in exchange for OF Dave Roberts.
Having nothing to do with The Stolen Base, I would have liked to keep Roberts as a reserve.
7/31/04 Acquired minor league LHP Matt Merricks from the Atlanta Braves in exchange for LHP Tom Martin and cash considerations.
Good to get out of Martin's contract. Too bad Merricks was lost in Rule V Draft.
7/30/04 Traded C Paul Lo Duca, OF Juan Encarnacion and RHP Guillermo Mota to Florida Marlins for 1B Hee-Seop Choi, RHP Brad Penny and minor league pitcher Bill Murphy.
As I said at the time, a risky move with great potential rewards. I wouldn't have had the courage, but that doesn't mean it was wrong.
6/2/04 Signed RHP Giovanni Carrara to a minor league contract and assigned him to Triple-A Las Vegas.
I thought Carrara was done. He wasn't.
4/4/04 Acquired OF Milton Bradley from the Indians for nonroster OF Franklin Gutierrez and a PTBN (Andrew Brown).
Gambling against Gutierrez's future so far it seems like a winner, but time will tell.
4/3/04 Acquired pitcher Aaron Looper and pitcher Ryan Ketchner from Seattle for infielder Jolbert Cabrera.
Good investment in future, with Hernandez covering Cabrera's role. As DePodesta said in his Dodger Thoughts interview, this wasn't his idea.
4/3/04 Acquired shortstop Antonio Perez from Tampa Bay for outfielder Jason Romano.
Anything for Romano is a winner.
4/1/04 Acquired outfielder Cody Ross from Detroit for Steve Colyer and a player to be named later or cash considerations.
Colyer is back in the minors with the Mets; Ross for the moment has been passed by home-grown Jason Repko. Seemed sound at a time when the Dodgers had an overflow of relievers.
3/30/04 Acquired outfielder Jayson Werth from Toronto for pitcher Jason Frasor.
Good trade for both teams. Dodgers get an everyday player (when healthy).
3/30/04 Acquired outfielder Jason Grabowski from Oakland for cash considerations
He had that good May.
I do believe, however, that this post would've broken yesterday's comments record had you just worked in the McCourts. :-)
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Today's fact of Choi, SB's favorite player, 2005:
I am almost certain that Hee-Seop Choi, at 6-5 and 240 pounds, is both the tallest and the heaviest player on his team and that he is the only major league player that can make that claim--at least until Wilson Alvarez comes off the DL.
Meanwhile, Kaz Ishii surrendered 2 runs in the first without giving up a base hit. And we got a starting catcher from dealing him? Wow.
(sigh)
This fact of Choi stuff is going to be harder than I anticipated.
I'm totally hooked. Can't believe I half-slept through last night's game without loggin' on with a laptop....
The banter would help me stay awake. Of course, I decided not to get Extra Innings and instead go for Sounds (Nashville) tickets instead this year... hmm...
I suggest the group (hug) name of Beasts and Children
{# 121. by Steve
But Valentin's in the lineup! }
Hahahaha
Uh, I do have to remind everyone of my previous post (161103.html#comments)
{# 209. by Sushirabbit
I boldly predict that we will crush the gnats tonight, with an offensive explosion.}
(how to do italics?)
IF I can't do it here, where can I? How many times have you gone "from-in-the-hallway-over-the-fridge-banked-off-the-wall-into-the-garbagecan-that-I-can-not-see" and had noone there to share?
I now predict that that is my last succesful prediction! (or should I predict everygame, hoping that somehow my powers of mystical projection helped the Bums o' the West.)
I think Depo and the current Dodger-Org are better off than before. Time and wins/losses will tell.
Did Repko (I think it was him) lose his glove last night trying to steal that home run? And if so does anybody know what happened after that? Anybody sucks compared to Vin. But I'd actually take hearing "meat" too many times over Morgan. And you guys, I just realized who Kruc was!?! They showed the all-star at bat against Johnson. How could I have not known/remembered that.
OK... enough, I leave long answering machine messages, too. Anyway, consider me a supporter.
BTW, I am on CST and do have to getup roughly 5 hours after most games end. So my posts are apt to always be at the bottom.
Scully talked about patience during the game lastnight. About how some people (me) panic too early in the season (opening day) and that the wise approach to baseball includes being patient, waiting atleast two months before making drastic decisions about the ball club. Perhaps he glanced at DT yesterday and saw the debate???
Re. Beltre, I am amazad at how far apart the two sides seem. Beltre acting like the martyr, wanting to come back, even at a discount, but was not shown love, so he left. And the Dodgers lamenting how communication was impossible because Boras was involved and they had no idea how much the other bids were for. I don't think I fully trust either side on this one.
*Conspiracy Theory* - If DePo told Boras that he is willing to pay Beltre-like money to Drew if he cannot get Beltre, isn't it possible that no one else might be willing to sign Drew for that much for that long, whereas Beltre is far more marketable? Therefore, wouldn't it be in Boras' best interests to get Beltre signed somewhere where he'd get what the Dodgers are willing to pay and then get the Dodgers to pay high for Drew?
Sorry, that was my little conspiracy theory for the day. Not to imply, I do not like Drew, I really drew :). But, going into the offseason, I would not have thought he'd get close to Beltre money. Beltre is less injury prone, younger and plays a premium defensive position exceptionally well.
To recap, do I like DePodesta's moves? Yes I do. Do I think we can win with the team we have? Yes I do. Do I think Boras screwed Beltre and the Dodgers? Yes I do.
"Did Repko (I think it was him) lose his glove last night trying to steal that home run?"
I believe I read that it was Grabowski.
It was Grabowski who lost his glove over the fence... however, the dadgummed Giants broadcast didn't show how he got it back. Is it like a bat, where you give a new one to the fan in exchange for your gamer?
Win.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_2644156
And is it just me, or should both Dodger errors last night have belonged to Olmedo Saenz? Both throws were catchable, it seemed to me... they were both the kind of errors that knee-jerk official scorers usually give to the SS/3B without even thinking about it.
I count roughly 40 moves, of which 8 strike me as significant, 11 as somewhat significant and 21 as of virtually no importance.
To me, six of the eight major moves are definitely good. Losing Beltre is without question bad, though that doesn't necessarily mean it was the wrong decision (salary and such being unknowns). The final one, the Lowe signing, strikes me as a real question mark. I agree with Jon that it's a lot of money, and so I wonder about it, but am willing to keep the books open here.
AS for the mid-level moves, the only one I'd put in the bad category is losing Jose Hernandez, but since that was a function of arbitration, it's hard to criticize DePo for it. I think it was the right move. The rest seem to me to either be smart (letting Lima go) or fairly neutral (signing Ledee).
All in all, I definitely count myself among the DePo fans, and don't seen a ton of really black marks against him. Time will tell whether Lowe and Beltre end up being those marks.
Kent looked pretty damn good on defense yesterday. As I understand it, Vin was taking good care to mention this (I'm up in norcal, so I had to listen to "meat" or whatever the sf commentator says).
Speaking of hysteria, I'll be ready to board the Valentin-mania bandwagon if he continues on his blistering 81 HR pace.
Is it just me, or does Jeff Kent look exactly like a suburban cop who really isn't much interested in your excuse about why you were going 40 in the school zone?
I was at the game yesterday, and Kent did look pretty good on defense. The nice plays he made were sort of like 3B plays -- hot shots where he took maybe one step and made the play. My friends up here tell me that soon I will come to dislike Jeff Kent for his jerk comments, but we'll see.
Oh, wait, you mean signing...
Giants fans don't like jerks? How then to explain the love of Bonds?
Generally, I like DePo's moves. I would have liked the LADs to get someone for Green who could help them this year. And I still think DePo just showed his inexperience in handling the Beltre matter. He can't be faulted for the fact that he's young. McCourt knew that when hiring him.
But the LoDuca trade will be his legacy and since it was the first big move, it set everyone up to look at him with a jaundiced eye. If Choi is a bust and Penny doesn't recover from this freak injury, that trade will be the first thing mentioned in DePo's obituary, rightly or wrongly.
Funny.
Besides Brazoban, the bullpen looked excellent last night. According to the Giant's speed gun, Sanchez hit 95 a couple times last night. Does anyone remember him hitting speeds that high on a regular basis last year? Seems a little higher than I remember.
One more added thought about Jon's group hug yesterday: In honor of all us wasting valuable work time on this site day in and day out, perhaps we should all join together in solidarity for one game in the bleachers. We could drink copious amounts of overpriced swill beer, and argue over statistics face-to-face instead on the internet. It would either be a really entertaining day, or supremely awkward, kind of like one of those 7th grade dances with no one intermingling.
"Uh, hi are you Icaros? My name's Jonny 6, I loved your posts about Kent's VORP."
Ok, on second thought, maybe not such a good idea....
1) Roberts: Depo did the humanitarian thing. Where could you fit Roberts on the roster? Give him a chance to play somewhere else. Let him have his fading days in the sun (i.e. The Big Steal) Anyway, he's just a perennial hamstring problem waiting to happen.
2) DLo: Depo would have liked a cheaper solution also. If you remember, numbers hit the roof this year. All the GM's freaked (the reasons the numbers exploded). It was a crapshoot for everyone this year. At least Depo came out with something solid in his hand.
3) Odalis: Your quote - "Riskier than people seem to think."
Could you elaborate on that? He's young and reliable. Three years is not that long. OK, so he had a problem lifting weights (after he signed). Outside of that, no history of injury probs (and, as you say, everybody has some risk of future injuries). So why single him out?
4) Valentin: Let's not get into the Beltre thing. Assume he's gone and they couldn't get Koskie. Perez + the minors was not the answer. Who? How? would you have played it? As it is, they won the bidding with Nori, who'll be up in a bit. Depo filled the Beltre hole quickly, then scurried around to get a backup. If Nori works out (still an "if"), Depo's got a hot combo to play with.
5) Grabbles: The less said, the better.
I guess it has been decided that Plaschke is writing Depo's obituary.
1) The clearest thing I saw was that Derek Lowe looks like the greatest teamate ever. Leaning up against the rail the ENTIRE game (I've never seen a starting pitcher do that) and definitely into the game (the first guy to greet teamates after scoring a run and cheer on his mates) but also loose and horsing around and keeping things cool with a big smile on his face the whole game. He and Bako were playing grabass throughout.
2) Milton Bradley (tm) looks just as combustible as last season. He was taking some mild ribbing from the fans around the dugout (I don't know what he was getting out in center) and instead of just ignoring it like EVERY OTHER PLAYER, he was looking into the stands and gesturing to fans, including holding his forefinger and thumb about an inch apart (a reference to a certain part of the offending fans' anatomy?) and making a sign like he was putting money in his pocket. Later he did some kind of wierd kick at home plate and then put a finger to his lips to tell the crowd to "shush" after he scored a run. Maybe this is obvious, but it is not a matter of if this guy blows up again, but when.
3) Hee Sop has that look on his face like he can't really believe he is in the show and doesn't really know what is going on. I got him to crack up during the star spangled banner by sticking my tongue out at him (apologies to all the patriots who revere American symbolism). Like an 8 year old in a gigantic body.
4) Odalis was showing a lot of emotion on the mound and in the dugout after he came out; totally pumped up. Not sure if this is good or not. Perhaps he was upset with the balls and strikes calls?
5) I didn't hear what Gagne said to get ejected, but it was funny. I saw him in the tunnel after the game with his curls all greased up. He is one goofy looking French Canadian. And he had about a bottle of cologne on; it lingered for about a minute after he blew past.
6) As I was right by firt base, I agree with the earlier sentiment that a good first baseman would have made those plays. Expecially Cesar's throw. He could have just stretched to get this.
7) Repko looked unfazed by his first major league game.
8) Steve Schmoll looked awesome, but young and tiny.
I think a group outing sounds fun, Suffering Bruin was organizing one last season, but then I think some personal issues popped up and it didn't happen.
By the way, I've never understood VORP enough to post on it. I'm an OPS man.
Re #28: In defense of Jon's Odails Perez concerns, I believe he had reconstructive surgery when he was a rookie in Atlanta, and he has missed some starts here and there over the past few seasons.
Gagne also had a Tommy John and nobody talks about that (forget the new stuff, that all has to do with the knee and his stupidity in trying to pitch with it). If anything was wrong with Odalis last year it was his attitude and his weight. He's changed both of those this year, and that shouldn't affect his future performance anyway.
Bob Timmermann can work security for it. He's tall.
This year, though I still don't figure to go to as many games as I have in the past, it would be more likely that I could do it. If someone else wants to organize it, I'd be happy to discuss dates...
It would sweet if they had WiFi like at SBC and we could do game chatter without speaking.
I'm just trying to explain why Jon would have some concerns.
As a reliever, Gagne pitches half of Perez's innings each year, so there's going to be less concern for his arm than for a starter who's expected to throw 150-200 innings.
Perez did miss some time due to tendinitis last year, and I don't think that can be easily chalked up to weight and attitude.
I'm down for weekday nights.
# 26 got me thinking. What if, instead of Mota + LoDuca for Penny + Choi, we'd have gotten Beltran for Mota. (I remember we also got a good pitching prospect for FLA for Dukie, but we gave him up to ARI along with Koyie Hill for Finley.)
Anyway, so, we wouldn't have gotten Finley, but we'd have a solid catching prospect in Koyie Hill. Now, let's say we do not re-sign Beltran, and we trade Green, but instead of focusing on a top catching prospect, we could have gotten a good 1B, or maybe even kept Green the rest of this year (considering how we are paying most of his salary anyway). So, in the strech run last year, our lineup would be Izzy, LoDuca, Beltran, Beltre, Green, Bradley, Werth and Cora. I think Beltre + LoDuca is so much better than Finley + Ross. Of course, this is all in retrospect, but with this lineup could we have afforded not to have even a healthy Penny in the starting rotation.
Of course we would have lost Beltran in FA, and the trade would not affect this season much, but could we have challenged StL in the playoffs last year with Beltran? I definitely think we'd have been better than Atalanta was and maybe even better than the Astros minus Beltran.
I wouldn't think too much of it. Some guys are just like that. I was at a Yankees/Angels game a few years ago and the Halo fans were razzing Mondesi, and he made a few (non threating) gestures, he didn't blow up on anyone. Everybody deals with that stuff their own way, I don't think it's fair to say that just because Milton Bradley acknowledges it that it's going to start the fuse in him. For all we know, he was only reacting because it's Giants fans, had it been say, Reds fans perhaps he wouldn't have done a thing.
I've got no chance at making a midweek day game, other than Opening Day. Can't afford to ditch.
I can handle security for any problems that Tommy may cause.
Just distract Tommy by asking him about using a redan design on a golf hole.
Todays line on Ishii; 6.2 IP, 100 pitches, 2 hits, 5 walks, and 5 ER; NY Metropolitans lose again.
IIRC,the Beltran/Mota three way deal didn't work because the Dodgers didn't have the AAA talent that KC wanted to complete the deal. Nothing that DePo could do about that.
I can't imagine that embalming popes is a growth industry however.
Well, in 1978 they had a brief up swing in business.
I don't know Bob. There were those crazy boom times of 1977-78. Bet they were living large then.
Yeah, they were probably trying to get Enzo Ferrari to build them special order hearses with 20 inch wheels
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
best line i've heard in months.
ha!
I believe he also had 7 SOs... 5 ERs on 2 Hits and 5 Walks... get used to the gray hairs Met's fans!
Doubt we're going to see MTV Cribs-Vatican Edition anytime soon.
Maybe my friends who work on Damage Control can get them to do an episode at the Vatican. That would be a sight to see.
I say it's 50/50 the way things are going now. Or maybe it's 51/48
I kind of like the fact that we have Lowe, Perez, Weaver against Schmidt, Woody and Tomko. I think we are in store for some real consistent pitching. Not lights out but steady as she goes. very calming. add Penny to the mix and I like chances in a seven game series as well. I think team has a chance to do really well with a few breaks health wise.
Nightmare scenario for a Dodger home game; Valentin commits three errors, Penny reinjures himself, and Ashlee Simpson sings the National Anthem.
So, I imagine the atmosphere is getting interesting about now...
Yep, noted theologian Tommy Lasorda.
"This was one tough pope...."
I was wondering who else they were going to interview. They could have asked me. I'm just as much an expert on Catholicism as Lasorda.
You may think so, Bob, but you haven't eaten nearly as much pasta as Lasorda has. Makes a big difference.
By the way, is this a real quote or did you make it up?
"This was one tough pope...."
Either way, I'm in tears.
Vin Scully was a major donor to the new Cathedral downtown. You would think he could have commented a bit more eloquently.
When I was at the Cathedral for the first time, I was looking at the names of all the donors (Riordan, Schwarzenegger, etc.) and I pointed to my friend "Look, it's the Sandy and Vincent Scully Priest's Changing Room". Then a friendly docent came up to me and told me that he could help me find my name on the wall of donors.
I wanted to reply, "Well, good morning to you wherever you may be on this fine Sunday morning. We're here at Our Lady of the Angels Cathedral. Pull up a pew and we'll be having a fine Mass today. The Cardinals are in today. Cardinal Roger Mahony that is. Should be a good one. We'll be right back..."
Bless his heart.
You may have that confused with the Carlos Perez/Cardinal Mahoney deal. Cathedral contributor Peter O'Malley stepped in to stop that deal.
3:55pm PT, today, at:
http://www.sportsjuice.com/
I'm so down. I really like the Dodger's group of minor leaguers at the top level as far as being solid emergency replacements and September callups. At least offensively.
Nakamura and Repko probably will see lots of time in the majors. Myrow and Rose have a solid track record of high OBP. Schrager and Flores seem useful. Oscar Robles, with whom the Dodgers have an agreement that they will bring him up from the Mex. league if they need him (I think), has hit a ton of singles and his fare share of doubles while walking like crazy and never striking out (like 3 to 9 percent of his PAs!)
Chin-Feng Chen, Mike Edwards, Henri Stanley, Cody Ross, and younger prospects Willy Aybar and Dioner Navarro all look pretty solid.
What do you guys think about this group?
It's funny, but I couldn't find it. I guess he was too busy researching his next article about how the Dodgers somehow slighted the Pope out of his season seats behind home plate.
Carl,
I read your article in the Chronicle on Jeff Kent. You wrote that he had a strange assessment of Omar Vizquel's play by attributing to him this quote:
"I've seen him make it before, and I don't doubt that he could make it again," he said. "I don't think it was that great. I think it's what he does. There's dozens of guys who can make that play. Some guys can make plays look harder than they really are."
Is Kent a jerk for saying that? He might very well be but he also added this: "Omar is a guy who can do both. He can make a play look harder than it is and he can make a tough play look easier than it is."
By quoting him selectively and calling him out for making a "strange assessment", you not so subtly implied that Kent is a jerk for not appreciating a great play. If you quote him in full, it's clear that the opposite is true.
Perhaps you think it's trivial that I'm pointing this out but I see this as the absolute definition of a writer misquoting an athlete. Either way, Jeff Kent, like anyone, deserved to be quoted in full context.
Best,
Clay Landon
Los Angeles
Also, Kruk is Mike Krukow, former Gnat pitcher, not John Kruk.
The Gnats have some of the most unprofessional homers in the game. Vin goes out of his way to praise the other team, including the Gnats. He did so last night on a catch by Torcato. (Actually, he appeared to drop the ball.)
You'd NEVER hear Gnat or SD announcers praise the Dodgers for anything.
David Ross is expected to get his first start of the season behind the plate tonight against Jake Peavy and the Padres.
http://www.compleatsteve.com/essays/sportsinterview.htm
Anyone with a hilarious moustache who physically confronts Barry Bonds deserves to be quoted correctly.
My parents got to go and their seats were on the Dodger Stadium field. I asked them what the field was like. My mom said, "Grassy".
I believe the altar set up for the Pope was in center field. It helped that there was DiamondVision.
Bob Dylan knows.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2112657
http://www.expectingrain.com/dok/who/m/mooredavey.html
never knew that story
If we ever have a Breckin Meyer thread(Clueless and 100 t.v. pilots) i'll tell my story "meeting/frigtening" him at Lakers game.
Kent the clean-cut, straight-laced, no-nonsense veteran, Bradley the talented but on-the-edge rookie.
Sure they will argue at times, but in the end they'll realize that they are really each other's closest friend.
TJ and Bill P are, of course, scum-sucking, criminal, drug-lord, child-molesting murderers.
In the early years the O'Malleys apparently had no problem hosting potentially dangerous sporting events, including laying out a race track in the Stadium parking lot.
Next time you're crawling in traffic after a game, imagine Cobras chasing Vettes at 120 mph through the parking lot.
Of course, the follow-up trivia questions are: "Why?" an' "What's the reason for?"
I know this is a Dylan song, but I'll always associate it with Pete Seeger.
What did the scum-sucking, criminal, drug-lord, child-molesting murderers ever do to you to merit that comparison?
Is it just me, or does "Five-Tool Pontiff" sound kinda nasty, like some strange gadget I'd find at my local porno shop?
You'd NEVER hear Gnat or SD announcers praise the Dodgers for anything."
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I just have to say, I can't believe that's actually a serious post. In my experience (and I've heard the announcers for all 30 teams), the Giants have by far -- BY FAR -- the best and most professional TV announcing duo in baseball. (Vin, of course, is in a class by himself, and he's no duo.)
Krukow and Kuiper are funny, intelligent, well-spoken, and professional. They're not shy about showering compliments on the other team's players. If you listened to the SF announcers last year, you would think that Cesar Izturis is Seated at the Right Hand of God or something. They appear to think that highly of him. Beltre too.
Seriously, that comment was not just out of left field, it was out of the stadium altogether.
Now the Padre announcers are another matter, but we thankfully don't get much exposure to them since the Padres aren't part of the Extra Innings package. They are on MLB.tv.
As for their radio announcers, Ted Leitner is my sworn enemy and I will make it my goal that his dream will always go unfulfilled.
We may not be "working", but our employers across the office don't know that. A mid-week day game would be a risk of Ferris Bueller-like proportions for many of us.
And, after growing up in the Bay Area, I'm surprised to hear anyone defend the Giants announcers as the best and most professional TV announcing duo in baseball. To me, they have never been funny, intelligent, well-spoken, and professional; in fact, they are one of the main reasons why I detest the Giants so much to this day.
I can't claim to have heard the broadcasters for all 30 teams, but if the Giants duo is the best, then there must be some really terrible garbage being transmitted over the airwaves.
4:55pm not 3:55, oops.
You can listen to the Las Vegas 51's game opening the Pacific Coast League season at
4:55pm PT, today, at:
http://www.sportsjuice.com/
Didn't Ferris have one of the greatest days of his life and isn't that what living is all about? Honestly the midweek day games are the best. No one goes so you can sit anywhere and all the old guys are rested.
Are you saying that the Giants would sit their entire starting lineup?
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On that, I think we can all agree. Growing up listening to Vinny, I was shocked when I moved to a new area, subscribed to the EI package, and discovered that the announcers for almost every other team completely suck.
- Tommy Lasoda
I wil trade my wife Jo before I trade Chan Ho
"I'm in a slump. I go to bed and I'm hungry. I sit down at the table and I get romantic." - Tommy Lasorda, LA Dodgers manager
"There really is a Big Dodger in the Sky and I think he has come down and taken over Hersheiser's body." - Tommy Lasorda, after Hersheiser's eighth no-run job in ten starts 1988
"I knew June was Pedro [Guerrero]'s favorite month, so I told him that in the U.S., June had sixty days. I'd see him in July and say, 'Well, Pedro, it's June 52 and I see you're still hot.'" - Los Angeles Dodgers Manager Tommy Lasorda, after Pedro Guerrero hit 15 home runs in June and .460 in July
"If he raced his pregnant wife he'd finish third." - Los Angeles Dodgers manager Tommy Lasorda, on catcher Mide Scioscia, 1988
Sounds like an invitation for another round of comments about the 80's Porn Star mustaches in the Dodger Clubhouse.
"Ted Leitner is my sworn enemy..."
Ted had to have been the inspiration for those moron San Diego newscasters in Will Ferrell's Anchorman movie.
"He wants Texas back."
Who are the Dodgers who will carry that tradition? As the team as sold to different owners, who maintains the voice and tone of the team?
I would have thought guys like Hershiser and Scioscia and Sax and Garvey, but they were allowed to go to other franchises. And while the LADs have continued to bring up good talent, it all seems to end up somewhere else (i.e. Beltre, LoDuca, Pedro, Piazza). I don't mean to say that the LADs are eroding (I wouldn't want to sound like Plaschke) but I'm just asking where all the family-like tradition goes when Tommy and Vin are gone.
Tommy
Nuestra opinión: Aunque Jarrin habla el español, él es más entendible a la gente anglófona que Rick Monday. También, Jarrin tiene más poder que Alex Cora. Un rumor dice que Jarrin tiene tres elefantes en casa. Jarrin toma el micrófono al cuarto de baño con él. Verdaderamente, Jarrin es un zapato.
El nivel de la molestia (la escala de 1 to 10): Cinco
What you speak of in #124 seems to be true of just about every organization today. Rampant free agency and big money contracts have replaced family-like tradition.
I think the fans themselves will left with the task of maintaining the voice and tone of the team.
Are the fans capable of doing that without management obliging? I mean, if the fans continue to think of it as a classy organization that does things the right way but then the organization goes out and trades for John Rocker and Barry Bonds and a host of other scumbags, how much validity does it have?
Every team has a character and an ethic, and it's really not hard to continue one as deep as the LADs. It actually is harder to destroy it. But who are the torch bearers for the LADs once Tommy and Vin are gone? I imagine there will be someone and whoever it is will be unexpected.
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Right, that great family-like tradition where you sell Jackie Robinson to the Giants. Or Duke Snider to the Metskis.
Seriously, it always cracks me up when people make statements like that. Icaros's sentiments seem to be shared by the majority of fans, which is weird since they are demonstrably untrue. My theory is that many people share these sentiments because they are essentially jealous of baseball players being paid market value. (No offense intended there, Icaros -- I don't mean you personally.)
People have actually studied this issue thoroughly, and those studies have found that players nowadays change teams with the exact same frequency that they did before the free agency era. The only difference is now it's the players deciding where they go, instead of the owners deciding where they go.
Honestly, baseball history is riddled with hundreds of examples of situations where loyalty was not honored. If anything, the baseball business was more ruthless (or "disloyal") in the old days than it is now... for example, witness the rich contracts given out in recent years to players who had little or nothing left to contribute on the field, whose only remaining value was in their status as franchise figureheads: Bagwell, Biggio, Larkin, Ripken, etc. Back in the old days those guys would have been sold down the river like Babe Ruth and Willie Mays were.
Icaros,
That myth about wildlife is pure speculation and uncorroborated, but the part about broadcasting from the restroom stall is true enough (better acoustics)
I'm down for the get together. I love the Short Stop. Loved it even more in its pre-hipster cop bar days. Jeff Kent might've joined us. Would prefer to El Cholo, but whatever.
Any advice, though, on how to overcome the "Hey, honey, I wanna go meet some guys from the internet," thing with my wife?
Or not.
Personally, I don't concern myself much with tradition and who will be the voice of the organization. I just want the team to win.
I like tradition as much as the next guy. Probably like it more than the next guy, actually. But it bugs me (more than it should) when people wax poetic about long-ago baseball tradition and loyalty that never actually existed.
Who translated Los Angeles as "Angeles de Los"? Is this some tortured Angels reference or just an automated translator goof?
First-I hearby ACCEPT the nomination, if you guys will have me, for setting-up the get-together. I would also like to add a co-chair(s) to this....Icaros and Timmerman are my nominations.
Depending on the size of the event and if where and when we want it, El Cholo-Western, Pasadena, Santa Monica, La Habra or Irvine are more then likely capable of holding 1-400 (judging from last nights posts! :) )
I have some ideas and am willing to hear all of the others, but all of this happens on one condition......
Timmerman has to promise not to wear his 1975 Dodger-Pepsi fan club tee shirt. Rumors persist that he has never washed it--never, not once. I for one don't want to smell that shirt from across the room. I'm sure the other patrons of El Cholo would concur!
Now, since the only updates I could get on the game during my meeting were from my MMode on my phone, when I saw that score, I wanted to scream and cheer. So, I'm back, but only while holding my breath everytime a ground ball goes shooting to 3rd base!
Go Blue!
BTW, Finley hit the game winner tonight for the Angels. I hate the Angels, but not as much as I hate the Giants and the Yankees!
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