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Though not definitive, a legitimate analytical attempt to rank major league managers, from KansasCity.com by way of The Hardball Times, reveals:
Jim Tracy
The timing may be ironic given Dodger events of the past week, though interestingly, Tracy's biggest weakness appears to be his team not converting scoring opportunities, which in part would be a function of in-game management. But overall, here's evidence supporting the belief that many people have that Tracy does plenty right. It's not case closed stuff by any means (okay, yes, I admit it, I'm writing this paragraph with Steve apoplectic in my head), but it's worth paying some attention to, especially during a rough week.
As they say on "Journey to Ernie", "Don't give up the ship, because here's another clue ..."
Well, good morning.
*The Diamondbacks on a half-game behind us.
*Shawn Green is apparently only SHAWN GREEN against the team that's paying him ten million dollars
*Hee-Seop the hero came thisclose to being a superhero last night, calling into more serious question why on earth Tracy pinch hit for him the previous night and...
*Said Tracy is the number on manager in all of baseball according to people who might be smarter and sure as heck do a lot more research than me.
This is going to be a weird day.
Hey, I gotta hang my hat on something...
Jim Tracy has always had a solid-to-great bullpen, which I think is responsible for the 'wins above expected' success. Teams with better bullpens tend to be the ones that outperform expectancies (such as Pyth and its derivatives); I think this is largely independent of the manager's actions, although in this case Jim gets credit for generally fine use of his bullpen. However, if the Dodgers had less stellar arms in the pen, we'd see Jim's win expectancy a lot closer to neutral.
As far as his one-run wins stat: I give all credit to Gagne.
Here's a question for the board: can you name a big-league manager you'd prefer to Tracy right now? I can't, and for that reason, I'm glad to have him.
Without even thinking about it: Bobby Cox. In a heartbeat. Otherwise, however, my preference is for a manager who doesn't intrude much once the game has begun. Managers are like offensive linemen during the game- you only notice them when they screw up. I've long believed that the hardest thing about managing has to do with dealing with personalities and egos between games, and that the in-game stuff just isn't that big a deal - unless you get too clever. And as far as that goes, folks like Scioscia, Torre, and yes, JT, seem to be pretty darn good at managing people. In Torre's case, of course, always having a lousy bench actually makes his job easier. No playing time to spread around.
disheartening statistic: 4.88 K/9, last in the majors
slightly less disheartening statistic: 1.31 K/BB, good for 21st (of 30 MLB teams)
happier statistic: 13-7 record, which projects to 105 wins
The terrible K/9 rate is tempered by the possibility that our groundball pitchers induce grounders more easy to field than usual - which artificially enhances the reputation of our defense. With apologies to Voros McCracken, the 2005 Dodgers could provide testament to the argument that not all Balls In Play are creatd equal.
At any rate, if Depo is pulling the strings, it seems Tracy's ranking is irrelevant. I suspect we won't know any time soon.
kudos for working sesame street into a baseball blog. now I'm going to have that song in my head all day...
BP has done some work this month regarding "types" of pitchers and their BABIP rates (great fastball pitchers, changeups, curves, etc.) and found that pitcher with good changeups tend to have more favorable BABIP than others. There is some self-selection problems with the data since all the pitchers they selected are historically top players, but there is at least some small evidence that pitchers (at least very good ones) are better at getting hitters out on balls in play. The good news with sinkerballers is that even though they may or may not have a BABIP advantage, the hits they allow will tend more to be low-leverage hits (singles up the middle, ground balls with eyes, etc) than HRs or line-drive doubles.
Our low K/9 rate is probably a function of Erickson - he's got, like, 4 Ks on the season, right? Even Lowe has struck out quite a few so far.
Also, has Shawn Green homered off of anyone not named "Erickson? yet"
I don't know the background details, but it seems to me Tracy has quite a bit of freedom with how he assembles his team on game day, and how he manages during the game. Depo seems to run unilaterally (to borrow a political word) who joins and exits the team, but I think Tracy is given the flexibility to piece them together on game day.
Not that I have any inside information... that's just my hunch.
If you think about it, depo and tracy seem to be a pretty good fit. Depo has seemed to be fairly prescient at getting the right people who could deliver in the right situations (finley, kent, etc.). And Tracy does a good job getting good results by mixing and matching in the right way. Seems to work for me, at least.
Yes Green hit one off Wunch on 4/10 at the BOB. I only know this little bit of usless info becasue I was there.
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- Pinch hitting situations - No. 46
- Making wrong decisions about bringing in relievers - No. 77
- Faking a tantrum when the game is lost so he can watch the game from the clubhouse - No. 1
Despite only 30 managers in the game, I have decided that Tracy must rank behind some assistant managers and even Vin Scully in some of these categories.
Seriously, I pay as much attention to this ranking as I do to a stat like run scored. I mean, sure you have to be on base and you should be able to run, but so many things are out of your control and you are only as good as the guy knocking you in to score. I'm not sure anymore if that analogy works.
I think Tracy is an average manager who is very lucky to have baseball's best bullpen in his 4+ years here. That being said, he has only made the playoffs once. Managers I'd rather have before him.... Scioscia (definitely), Cox (definitely... heck, I'd even take Mazzone over Tracy), Robinson (this guy never gets any credit.. no one mentioned his here), Gardenhire (another underrated guy), Francona (a good manager.. maybe, better than Tracy... definitely). And I won't even go into guys with good track records who I could argue both sides on.. guys like Torre and LaRussa. The only guys that I wouldn't take... Busty and FAlou, but I may be biased there.
I don't know enough about Macha, but there is now way that you take Terry Francona over Tracy, or on equal footing. No way. He's a terrible manager, WS ring or not. I suffered through his god-awful managing in Philly, and I've seen enough Red Sox games with him there to see he hasn't changed.
I think the bullpen problems he does have are largely a function of his pinch-hitting decisions.
The only manager I would immediatly take over Trace is Cox.
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To me, the big-picture question is the most important one: Is the manager getting the most out of the talent that he has at his disposal? So far, it seems to me that Tracy has done all right. He did reasonably well with the mess that Malone gave him; Dan Evans never finished rebuilding the team for him; and he won a division title while DePo remodeled the team on the fly. Could the Dodgers find a better manager? Very probably, if they looked hard enough. Could they find someone worse? Most definitely, and more easily than they could find someone better.
I mean, I know the basic answer is tradition. I just always thought it was a bit silly. The manager is not a player. Any one know who started the tradition (non-player-manager)? Or who was the last one not to weat the uniform?
With Weaver pitching tonight, what's the over-under on how many times Vinny uses the line about "the girl with a curl in the middle of her forehead"? I'll set it at 2.
We all know that Wes Parker was the last Dodger to accomplish that feat way back on May 7, 1970. Jeff Kent did it in May 99 and Jose Valentin in April 2000.
Only 3 teams have never had a cycle hitter -- the DRays, Marlins and Padres.
Regarding your comments in #17:
...and 2) thrust new people into key situations at the earliest sign of talent, be they Sanchez, Brazoban or Schmoll (when others would have insisted they were too green).
If only he felt the same way about Hee Seop.
Which pitcher gets voted off the 25-man island, and is it due to lack of production or because he happens to have a minor league option left? Or, does Tracy do the unthinkable and carry 13 pitchers?
In one of Bill James' book he describes Shotton as a managerial prototype. "The Kindly Old Burt Shotton" type. Or KOBS type manager. Shotton was followed by Charlie Dressen, who was completely different and quite fiery and a bit of an egomaniac.
Then came Walter Alston, a quiet, but respected company man. Lasorda was a loud company man. Then came Bill Russell, another company man, who wasn't cut out for the job.
I don't know what you would consider Glenn Hoffman. Then Davey Johnson, who was more like Dressen. And now Tracy, who is sui generis.
And the fact that he could pass for Roger the Peanut Man's brother is also a plus, though I'm not sure why.
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