Second roll: keep the threes and the five, roll a four

Third roll: keep the threes and the five, roll a two.

Comment away!

2. scareduck

You don't keep the five in that situation. You have to roll two dice when you have three of a kind.

3. Bob Timmermann

"Three of a Kind" was an old British series that had David Copperfield and Tracy Ullmann.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081946/

3. Steve

Fire Tracy Ullmann!

Random Dodger game callback

June 21, 1986

Coming off a traumatic end to the 1985 season in the NLCS, the Dodgers 1986 season was not one for the history books. With Pedro Guerrero missing most of the season after injuring his knee in spring training, the Dodgers played a game on a Saturday night in June at Dodger Stadium that mirrored their season. The Dodgers built up a 5-0 lead against San Diego, but committed six errors and eventually lost in 14 innings, 8-7. The loss dropped the Dodgers to 33-35, four games out of first and in fifth place in the NL West.

The Dodgers started Jerry Ruess, who by this time was the Dodgers #5 starter, and spotted him a quick 1-0 lead in the first. Second baseman Steve Sax had a one-out double and would score on a double by third baseman Bill Madlock.

Los Angeles increased its lead in the sixth. Sax reached on an error by San Diego shortstop Garry Templeton. With one out, Sax stole second and then went to third on a wild pitch by Padres starter Andy Hawkins. Madlock hit his second double to plate Sax. After Mike Marshall struck out, Padres manager Steve Boros ordered Hawkins to intentionally walk first baseman Len Matuszek to face backup catcher Alex Trevino. But Trevino foiled the strategy with a double to center to score Madlock and drive Hawkins from the mound.

Tim Stoddard relieved and gave up a single to center fielder Reggie Williams to score two more runs. The Dodgers were up 5-0 and the crowd of over 46,000 was ecstatic.

But the game turned sour in the seventh. Templeton led off with an infield single to third that Madlock compounded with a throwing error. Then Padres catcher Bruce Bochy reached on an error by Matuszek. Second baseman Bip Roberts then singled to load the bases and send Ruess to the showers and bring on Ed Vande Berg. The lefty specialist came in to pitch to Tony Gwynn, but Gwynn singled to score a run. Out came Vande Berg and in came Tom Niedenfuer, the goat of 1985. The crowd was now angry, as Niedenfuer's presence on the team was a constant reminder of Jack Clark. Niedenfuer got Kevin McReynolds to pop up for the second out, but then gave up a 2-run single to Steve Garvey to make the score 5-3.

In the 8th, the Padres tied it up. With one out, Templeton singled and pinch hitter Terry Kennedy homered off of Niedenfuer to make it 5-5. But the Dodgers went back ahead 6-5 in the bottom of the 8th when Trevino homered off of reliever Gene Walter.

Manager Tommy Lasorda brought in Ken Howell to try to close out the game in the 9th. But Gwynn singled to lead off. Gwynn then stole second and went to third on an errant throw from Trevino. McReynolds hit a sacrifice fly to tie the game at 6-6.

The game continued into the 11th and Carlos Diaz took over on the mound for the Dodgers. Diaz gave up a leadoff single to Gwynn. And again Gwynn stole second and went to third on a bad throw from Trevino. McReynolds doubled home Gwynn to give San Diego its first lead of the game, 7-6. Diaz threw a wild pitch to move McReynolds to third, but the Padres stranded him.

But the Dodgers weren't done in the bottom of the 11th. Facing Goose Gossage, Trevino singled to lead off the inning. Williams singled to move Trevino to second. Enos Cabell sacrificed the runners over. Bill Russell then hit a sacrifice fly to tie the game at 6-6.

So they kept playing. And in the top of the 14th, Tim Flannery singled to lead off against Alejandro Pena. Gwynn then got an infield hit. McReynolds struck out as did Padres pitcher Lance McCullers, who had to bat as the Padres were out of bench players. But with two outs, rookie John Kruk (who was the goat on Opening Day for the Padres in L.A. when he was caught stealing as a pinch runner in the 9th inning) singled to left to score Flannery to put San Diego ahead 7-6. McCullers set the Dodgers down in order in the 14th to give San Diego the win.

The 1986 Dodgers finished the year 73-89, 23 games behind Houston and in fifth place. Injuries to numerous position players gave the Dodgers a patchwork appearance. Only Sax was healthy all year and he had a fine season, batting .332 with 40 steals and much better defense. Sax finished just .002 behind Montreal's Tim Raines in the batting race.

Franklin Stubbs led the team in home runs with 23, but struck out 107 times and walked just 37 times. Shortstop Mariano Duncan could not repeat the performance of his rookie season and batted .229 and played in only 109 games. Madlock batted just .280 and led NL third baseman in errors with 24 despite playing just 101 games at the position.

The Dodgers used a lot of bit players that contributed mostly bits such as the aforementioned Matuszek and Trevino. Cesar Cedeno, Terry Whitfield, Ralph Bryant, Larry See and Craig Shipley all had brief appearances. Russell played his last season for the Dodgers as a utility man.

The top four starters all had good years. Fernando Valenzuela led the league with 21 wins and had a 3.14 ERA. Bob Welch was 7-12, but had a 3.28 ERA and won a 1-0 game against Cincinnati ace Mario Soto on June 10 when he homered for the only run of the game.. Orel Hershiser went 14-14 with a 3.85 ERA. Rick Honeycutt was 11-9 and 3.32.

The bullpen was shaky. Niedenfuer managed to pick up 11 saves before losing the closer job to Howell, who saved 12. Left-handed specialists Vande Berg and Diaz were both disappointments.

The Dodgers needed a healthy Guerrero and a lot of help in the outfield to get better,

Thanks to the Los Angeles Times, BaseballReference.com and Retrosheet

Ouch!

Plenty of good seats available I hear at Miyagi Fullcast Stadium.

Padres
Roberts
Fick
Klesko
Giles
Nevin
Burroughs
Greene
Jackson
Williams

I feel bad for Dodger fan from NY. It is very clear to me hear that the two of us are the only two Dodger fans in this section of the country.

Nomo didn't make it to 5 innings, so win for him. The D-Rays still lead 10-6.

Player A - .210/.308/.390 (.698)
Player B - .340/.421/.430 (.851)

Additionally, both have about the same speed and strike out 22% of the time. One of these two players must bat 2nd and the other 7th. Which would you choose for each slot?

does it take 18 months to get"back to normal" after TommyJohn Surgery? is that expectation. Wow this is bad.

Repko bats second because he's a better bunter. That's the reason. Whenever Tracy starts yammering about "situational hitting," that's what he's talking about.

Did Choi eat Tracy's pet eel or something?

Do you think DePodesta gets at least a little chuckle when he reads this?

Olmedo Saenz has never faced Williams.

The only Dodgers with any sort of luck against Woody Williams are Kent who is 14 for 40 with 3 HRs and Jason Phillips who is 3 for 6.

Williams has a career .216 batting average against when facing the Dodgers, which I don't understand all that well since he faced so many different Dodgers in his career.

And this is why we should Fire Jim Tracy.

Given Tracy's apparent style (partial to bunting, sending Izturis and Robles, etc.), is there any friction between DePodesta and Tracy in terms of how the game should be managed? If I were DePodesta, I would have to be irritated with a number of Tracy's tendencies. What would the significance of any friction be, with regard to the duration of Tracy's tenure as the skipper?

Bob -- have you arranged for a second to dribble out your RDGCs, or are we expected to go cold turkey?

While I do find myself stuck here at 9 pm your time and later all too frequently, Thrs. may be tough. Will try though . . .

1 for 26, 5 K

This is what I have been saying all along. If this is why you don't play Choi, then this is why you bat for Alex Cora. But Tracy is a dishonest hack.

I don't even understand why Tracy hates Choi so much. He's bunted twice!

-Scott Proctor
-Buddy Groom
-Tanyon Sturtze
-Mike Stanton

in a single game. Granted, The Big Unit got chased early, but can't Steinbrenner do any better than those guys? I wouldn't take any of them over Duaner.

Also from July 31 through August 7.

Mainly because it helps them last longer closer to the end of the year.

So we will all have one to read in mid September when we start arguing about whether or not Ricky Ledee is getting enough at bats in our quest to stay ahead of the Giants for fourth place.

This and Dave Miley getting fired all on the same day. All...too...perfect.

Suddenly, it all seems...too perfect.

Then does he give Choi credit for the bottom of the 9th HR on 6/10 which won the game and the 3HRs on 6/12 which won that game? Otherwise our losing streak would be 10 games, not the 7 (and soon to be 8)that it is.

I am not a Tracy hater but even I have to admit that is lame.

has he been traded?

has he been traded?

As a San Diego fan I think it's funny the hate spewed by Simers and Plaschke against the Dodgers but also am a little confused. It's not like the Dodgers have been very successful for the past 10 years or so. Now granted, the LA Times is a horrible "newspaper" that no one reads anymore but still.....

It's just an easy narrative. cheap owner from the east and a computer geek who never played the game angle. never ending stories. they don't even believe it themselves

I wish the Dodgers could play the Devil Rays.

I'm betting that's it not often that one team scores more runs in one inning than the other team scores in the whole game if the opponent has scored 11.

20-11.

Chan Ho Park has already given up 5 runs in the first to the Angels.

I have limited access to the internet. I have yet to have my DirecTV service transferred to the new pad. The new dog (Chester--Terrier mix--rescue project--we love him--thanks to all for the generous feedback last month) and the familia and the budding teaching career which starts this fall is taking much of my time.

No TV, little internet = not much knowledge about the Dodgers or the grand old game in general.

But.

I SURE AS HELL WOULDN'T BENCH CHOI AGAINST A RIGHT-HANDER BASED ON ELEVEN AB'S.

THe whole Adam Dunn argument lately is confusing to me. Why the resistance to an obvious improvement to the team? Given that we're running Jason f'n Repko out there nearly every night, how can we afford not to go after a player of that caliber is he's available? It seems the anti-Dunn argument seems to focus on him not being as good as others make him out to be. That's fair, I guess. But at worst case, he's still better than Repko...and really Werth, for that matter. At best case, he turns into one of only 5 or so legitimate 50HR hitters in the game. Either way, if a guy like that is available, you've got to take the chance. Think about this, who in baseball 25 and under has a high-end ceiling comparible to Dunn? Pujols, yes. Cabrera, yes. Texeira, yes. Anyone else?

Lastly, the Jim Tracy quote is argravating and comical, all at the same time. Does he really feel that way, or is he simply trying imduce some form of mental breakdown in Depodesta? You know Jim, if you don't want to play Choi, just say so, don't make up lame excuses to sit him. Frankly, seeing as the choice is having either Choi or Perez in the lineup, I think you've GOT to go with Choi, given the state of our offense. Even if it means playing Saenz at 3B. Fine, our defense isn't stellar at the corners. Too bad; I'll live.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Tracy, for a few years, has impressed me. This year, he's been terrible? Is it just me, or has he regressed?

Oh, that's right. You don't work for the LAT.

(sigh)

Sorry. I'm bitter. The Tracy quote on Choi is beyond belief, devoid of logical sense... just irritating in the extreme.

After Choi rounds the bases and the crowd finally stops chanting his name...

Tracy steps out, and on a microphone he tells the crowd that he won't be starting Choi against Woody Williams, and gives the infamous quote in explanation.

And we get to watch what happens.

Less surprising was his .222 batting average

I didn't get to comment earlier on another thread, but you and I are surprisingly similar in our team alliances. I'm originally from LA, now live in Chicago and am a lifeling Dodger fan AND Raider fan. I liked the Raiders before they got to LA but it obviously solidified when they were there.

I'm indifferent to annoyed with the Angels (especially the LAA thing -- get your own city).

And I'm a rabid Laker fan as well.

a) Tracy truly believes that 11 AB's is a significant barometer.

b) Tracy and Wallach both believe that Choi can't hit Williams and Tracy is using the silly quote as deflection.

c) Tracy is desperate and feels that Choi in the lineup does more harm than good. He simply believes that Choi can't play.

Any other nominees?

Every start, I hope Derek Lowe will get one "big" out. And every start, Jerry keeps having to convince me that Derek Lowe is worth $36 million. It's not working.

"The Dodgers have been shut out in their last [whatever number] innings [shot of Jim Tracy], and there's nothing Jim Tracy can do about it."

Right. Except play his best hitters and stop putting guaranteed outs in the 2 hole.

(high-fives Midwest Blue)

Did Woody Williams really stike out twice in this game on bunts?

Not that I'm counting, but this one is at 18 innings.

As long as we're in fantasyland, I'm sticking with the Tracy-and-Thurston-to-the-Reds-for-Dunn-and-Harang trade being announced by Vin Scully during the 8th inning.

It could happen, right?

It could happen, right?

He has gotten to me, lately, so I don't know maybe he's really going down the tubes.. then again I've gotten to where I am not liking Choi even with his fan-club always going on and on, and then well he seems ok, and then he's hot w/bat but looks like an ice-cube in the field then he makes stupid flub ups. But, hell, that could be partly from feeling like your manager is always about to pull the rug out from under you. It could be that Tracy genuinely doesn't like Choi, because you wouldn't expect him to come out and say "Well, Depo loves the kid, but I think he's a sack of $hite, and I just play him now and again to keep the boss, happy, you know what I mean Platzke?"

I'm liking Tracy and Choi less and less, and Kent and Bradley more. Just wish there was more to like at the moment... like a couple of wins..

Oh yeah. I just did.

Bob, Drink the good saki while you're over there and enjoy the good wasabi and ginger!

I love wasabi peas at baseball games.

Bad defense? Okay. He's not a gold glove.
Makes mistakes? Yeah, he does.

Beyond that, he's slugging over .600, works his tail off everywhere he goes, plays for the fans, is likeable according to one and all... I just don't see the reason for not wanting a guy like that on your team.

"And Thou Shalt Put The Korean Man In The Lineup In The Second Spot. In the First Spot, The Korean Man shalt not go, nor shalt he go in the Third Spot. And the Fourth Spot shalt be right out."

A close second: Werth makes contact.

Choi, looks goofy to me at first. But then again he has made some good plays and has the soft hands. I can always see both sides too easily, I have to say Tracy is not making it better. I like it that Saenz was at third and Choi at first. I'd give that a chance. But tracy is clearly a dufus for not playing choi.

I'm not sure now that even a pitcher would help us. It would suck to be Depo, especially if the owner is not willing to spend.

The Dodgers lost 16 straight from June 28 through July 16 in 1944.

They actuallly lost 15 straight games during those dates and had one suspended which was picked up in August and they lost that one too and it's considered to have been played on the first date.

Seriously, 1 pitch?

No specific restaurant. In fact, I've never even been to Japan, but I have friends who know I love sushi. If you ever come to Nashville, though, I got all kinds of recommendations.

Of course we'd get the better of the deal.

Of course, that was the other night when he bunted in the ninth, but I'm not really looking into reconciliation.

Truly, this team confuses me. Am I happy that Grabowski just lengthened his rope another month? I have no idea.

much rather have Kent in my dugout than klesko.

I like to stick to the takoyaki. Little dumplings with octopus centers.

Yum.

You can also get hot dogs and pizza at games. No peanuts in shells however.
You have to eat edamame if you want to crack something open.

We'll all be much happier, except when Edwin pitches.

I do agree that he is overrated somewhat, but I also feel that nobody else in the NL is really on a par with him, taking into account hitting and fielding.

WWSH

WWSH

Any Deer Hunter fans here?

"Dreifort suffers from a degenerative condition in which his connective tissues steadily break down. Although he returned to pitch following his second elbow operation, the rest of Dreifort's body broke down and he will spend the entire 2005 season on the disabled list following four offseason operations."

So what is this condition that Dreifort has? Does it have a particular name?

Washington, D.C.: Given the lack of clear #1 or #2 starters on the trade market right now, doesn't it seem the best course of action for the O's right now is to just sit tight, instead of giving away their highly regarding prospects for someone who might not even be any better than what they already have?

Les Carpenter: Well the key there is Hayden Penn. I'd be hesitant to trade him given the heart he has shown in the games he's pitched. But the hardest thing to do in this game is predict greatness for young pitchers. A good example, look at Edwin Jackson whom the Dodgers called up at age 20 a couple years ago. He was very impressive, they've held him out of good trades -- one for Javier Vazquez for one -- and now he's freefalling through LA's organization.

If you're close you might make the move. One thing that can affect a team's decision to trade young pitchers is how much that organization trusts its pitching coach. The O's have a good one in Ray Miller. And so they might be tempted to hold onto some young guys to let Miller work with them.

When I was researching the Dodgers 1889 season, I came across something about St. Louis Browns pitcher Elton "Icebox" Chamberlain throwing both left and right-handed.

But he was throwing underhanded most of the time and not using a glove so it wasn't as tricky.

We all knew his hitting .350 wouldn't last because he has no plate discipline.

Take Drew, for example. Even when he goes 0 for 25 he's drawing walks and prolonging innings. Izturis is an out machine.

I also don't think his defense is quite as miraculous as others do.

After Repko, we get Drew and Kent coming up. Hope lives!

Re: 216 My impression was that Guzman would go back to SS for now. With LaRoche tearing it up, the organization may soon need to make a decision on whether or not we should move Guzman to RF as Baseball America has projected. Then again, since DePo seems to want to be more conservative about promoting Guzman, that may be something they won't decide on until next season.

WWSH

Though, I am considering sticking with not watching Sanchez while he's pitching. Yes, he imploded two nights ago when I had the TV off, but there were special circumstances--i.e. he shouldn't have been out there in the first place, since he'd just pitched the night before.

I'm open to moving Izzy down in the order (maybe hitting second, he's a good contact hitter), but to me trading him makes no sense at all.

.294
.202
.274
.287

Which one of these, batting 2nd, is not like the others? These must be some serious professional-ness or situational-ness happening there to justify the lineup spot, right?

WWSH

I advocate trading him because we could probably get something really good in return. Replacing him would not be as hard as many believe.

Is that way too radical or what? I just feel like when you're down to your last three outs, you should maximize your offensive chances and roll the dice.

If he didn't watch it it might have been ITPHR

arguing balls and strikes

You may be right. Like I said, I'd only trade him if we can fleece some idiot GM who thinks a .280-hitting SS who plays good defense is as valuable as a good starting pitcher and/or prospect.

At least only one of our upcoming hitters (Werth) is an automatic out. Saenz has some power, A. Perez is an on-base machine, and Phillips' average is due for an uptick. Hope still lives!

WWSH

I'd listen to offers for Izzy because I'd listen to offers for anyone. But how many teams are really interested in an upgrade at shortstop? (Serious question, not snarky.) Which teams are those? Do they have anything we'd want?

agreed but that being said I still want Izzy and Kent to start in the all star game.

I don't see Edwards as an adequate long-term replacement at 3B, and we need a better glove at SS than A. Perez. I'd be open to trading Izzy, but we'd need to also get a decent SS in addition to the quality starter and/or corner OF.

WWSH

The following NL shorstops have better VORP-rates than Cesar Izturis (at least 200 PAs):

Felipe Lopez
Bill Hall
David Eckstein
Omar Vizquel
Jimmy Rollins
Alex Gonzalez
Neifi Perez

Of those, the following have better fielding statistics (BP's Rate2):

Bill Hall
Davin Eckstein
Omar Vizquel
Neifi Perez

I'd still take Izturis over any of them longterm due to his age, but he certainly hasn't been spectacular. As long as his can get his OBP to hover around .330, I think he should stay in the leadoff spot. If it drops below that, he should move to the bottom of the lineup. He doesn't have enough pop (or really anything besides AVG) to bat 2nd.

Due to Izturis' slump, David Eckstein seems to be more deserving of being the NL's starting shortstop in the All-Star game.

Absurd.

unresolved.

273 - .330 OBP is terrible for a leadoff guy.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's not bunting, but it showns our manager's maddening inconsistency and Choi hatred.

Geting a catcher's interference is one of the hallmarks of a professional hitter.

OHHHHH, of COURSE ask the .340 hitter to bunt so the .250 hitter can drive the run in!

God I was kidding about werth bunting and then he had perez bunt. when does he stop banging his head against the wall.

Trace shouldn't have put the bunt on, but once it was put on, A. Perez needed to get it down.

Hopefully Phillips and/or Choi will play the hero.

WWSH

His GM does not acquire players who are good bunters, so why does he keep trying?

WWSH

A bunt.
With two on and none out.
When the pitches haven't been doing what they're supposed to be doing for Hofmann tonight or last night.
For the catcher and pitchers's spot.

Unreal.

Hope Choi crushes one and then eats Tracy.

Saenz was the first Dodger to reach on catcher's inference in SEVEN years. (Bobby Bonilla in 1998.)

let's go HSC

I mean, how many times does the bunt have to fail over this eight game losing streak before you give up and try something else? We can't bunt. I really don't care, and neither should you. But we should all at least agree that whatever one would do in a perfect world where our lineup is filled with nothing but Craig Counsells and Scott Podsedniks, we can't bunt, and should stop trying.

But, rageon, the As are doing really well right now. They won yesterday and they won today, and they took two of three from the red-hot Phillies over the weekend.

I'd watch some games if it were on extra innings.

night, y'all

kent turned 37 in March. he won't be 40 until 2008.

I think DePodesta is as much to blame, though. Does he watch the games? He is Tracy's boss, and if he cannot communicate to Tracy the proper way to manage this team, he is failing as a GM.

Kevin just said he would question why you have a .340 hitter bunt so a .260 hitter can win the game.

I always thought you were too wholesome to know who Briana Banks is.

I've found new respect for you (not that I didn't have respect for you already, but you know what I mean).

Dave Hansen did it in 1992.
Mike Huff, 1989.
In 1985, Mike Scioscia and R.J. Reynolds did it. And Scioscia also did it in the NLCS.
In 1984, R.J. Reynolds
Fernando Valenzuela in 1983.

Well, enough of that.

Did he point out that Alex Cora, for his career, is 1 for 26 against Woody Williams?

Incompetence all the way around.

Part of me wonders how you knew I would know, but I'm not ashamed at all.

I don't take anything away from Jamie's accomplishments as an attorney and businesswoman for 15 years but, her baseball experience is equal to mine. Which is, of course, none. So now this new PR firm the McCourt's have hired is going to sell her as having earned the posititon. I imagine we will next see a fluff piece on how thier son earned the Director of Marketing position. Why can't Jamie just say we are fortunate we are learning and hope to better the team and community.

Memo to Donald Sterling: Just sit tight for a while and these jackasses will make you look like Jerry Buss.

(Although I know intellectually that time is on my side, these funds will trend upwards in the long run, blah blah blah, it's still depressing to know in the short term that every dollar I put in is going to shrink. Not one of these funds are in the black for the year to date.)

No Bunting!

Her eyes are kinda creepy--she should keep them closed for pictures. Or at least do succubi-type porn movies. (Though she may well have, for all I know--I didn't check her catalogue that closely. Heh.)

JT looked like he was about to cry on the SCSR interview tonight. He always says the dumbest things whenever they interview him. vr, Xei

I checked IMDB.com, which is safe enough for work, but oddly it doesn't have a picture of her on it, so that won't work for poor Sam, though he could at least have fun scanning the list of the 93 movie titles credited to her...

It warms my heart that we are discussing this, and I'm glad that Christina is cool enough to participate without being offended.

And Icaros, I swing both ways, so I have no problem at all with this topic. Though, having viewed a few pictures of the former Ms. Mirage, I can safely say that while she's attractive, she's not really my type either.

I just hope we're not ruining the rating of poor Jon's Dodger Thoughts site...

370 - All I can say is, nice.

Swing...we're still just talking baseball here.

She was a really nice player during her peak. I think the average shelf life for most of these "athletes" is about two years.

There's a lot of turnover.

Kevin Kennedy former major league manager(Red Sox, Texas also I think)

currently Fox analyst. hosts Fox Sports West out here in L.A. Was also a maager in dodger minors for may years.

Kevin is the last skipper to manage a division winning Red Sox Club. they were wild card winners the previous years in the playoffs.

I'll keep looking though.

And, Icaros, I agree that one doesn't need to swing a particular way to recognize beauty in another. But a certain additional enjoyment is missing, too, in those cases. No home run.

Yup, still just talking baseball.

saw ger at the winter meetings in anaheim (Yawn!)

She is super skinny. Ally McBeal skinny.

Now Lindsay Soto....

That being said, I think Jayson Werth is probably the best looking current Dodger, especially if he shaved that crap off his face.

He's hitting like crap, though, so I don't care too much.

DK, I hope you like tatts. I saw Janine on Stern a while ago and in an effort to get out of porn she tatted up both her arms with full sleves and alot on her back.

#366, Icoros, have to disagree with your first sentence.

#363, I think Jamie sucks but that's not what I meant.

Jon, I apologize for starting this whole thing.

Well you know what they say 'Big Head....Big Skull"

wait, I think i messed that up. Nevermind.

Who, actually, I must say was actually much hotter back when she was briefly on a daytime soap, a few years before she got the MNF job. I actually ended up being underwhelmed by her on MNF because I knew how hot she'd used to look. Most people, of course, hadn't seen her previously and didn't realize she'd actually gone downhill a bit.

I said she was popular, just not my favorite. I certainly wouldn't eject her from a game for arguing balls and strikes.

And if you're going to disagree with me, at least spell my "name" right :-)

Soto is good.

Can't crush on Lisa Guerero anymore for obovious reasons.

As for Katie Holmes, you can tell the whole strain of being Tom Cruise's newest beard is severely wearing on her.

You can now give props to Shawn Green all you want, and I won't hold it against you.

397, Kid, have not seen Holmes hands but have you ever seen Nicole Kidman's hands. They are the hands of an 80 year old woman, not a beautiful young woman.

I've got the Daily Show on, and Jon Stewart just put up a photo of the Runaway Bride, Jennifer Wilbanks. Her eyes get more bugged out in every new picture of her. Ugh.

#399 Christina, you are so right about Zetta-Jones. She was absolutly beautiful in Zorro and went straight down hill from there. More than that she is so offensive in her constant refrain "I am from Scotland/England, I am not Latin American." I have seen her say something to that effect at least three times. Funny how the things that come out of your moutn can make you less attractive.

USA Network just announced a Law and Order marathon. Isn't that redundent?

If you thought she was hot in Zorro, you should also check out Splitting Heirs, which was a few years before Zorro and the first time I ever saw her, and Return of the Native, which she did in England.

410 - but these pictures of Wilbanks are from now. As far as I know, while she's still planning on getting married, she's no longer planning on 600 guests. Of course, now her focus is more on all the moolah she's about to cash in on...

In the end, the Runaway Bride will make millions selling her story. She will sell pictures of her wedding to the rags and 10 years from now she will be on some TV special anniversary. It will pay for her house, put her kids through college and wind up being the best thing she ever did.

Funny how that works, isn't it? Similarly, Martha Stewart's jail time is really benefiting her. She wouldn't have gotten the Apprentice show if it weren't for that.

I love Soylent Green and The Omega Man.

For me, the Golden Age of American cinema is mid-60s to early-80s

However, flipping through the Tivo guide, I see a Charmed rerun is on. Stupid show, but Rose McGowan is hot.

Or there's the baseball connection in Alyssa Milano, since she has a thing for pitchers. But y'all can have Alyssa; she's not my type.

I think Jeff Kent is the Dodgers Omega Man. He's the only guy who hasn't had some sort of injury.

Hi Bob.

I know he's smart, just ugly.

she hates that "let's talk about our feeeeelings" relationship junk as much as I do.

Agreed.

Lindsy Lohan is on Letterman. Its awful. Maybe someone can explain to me why she is famous or anyone cares about her. But the real problem is Letterman is shilling for her soooo badly.
Letterman: "Have you lost weight?"
Lohan: "Yes I hit puberty at 17 and my body is adjusting."
Letterman: "How old are you?"
Lohan: "19"
Letterman: "How are you getting along with the press" And other assorted drivel

Please. Did Jamie McCourt tell her that we are stupid?

But the real reason to hate her: The Lovebug should be left alone out of homage to the late great Buddy Hackett. One of the best Vegas shows I ever saw. Headlining and the DI.

It's really sad when girls peak at age 15.

I just realized I have a feeling my housemate would probably find him attractive, actually. It takes all kinds, I guess.

Still snickering over 421...

Now? Ugh. Even Crazy Cruise decided against her in favor of Katie, you know that's bad.

Have a good night. I'm off to sleep myself.

Later.

In addition to your fictional game on the 30th, how about playing a Strat-O-Matic game parallel to a real game one night, using the same starting lineups as the real game, and comparing the game result.

Of course, with the Dodgers AAA lineup, you'll need a whole bunch of "nameless player cards".

Wondering if Steve's still a free man after downloading this thread in Utah.

On another non-baseball but more DT-appropriate topic -- My 4-yr old has an old (1940s) book about turtles. It's called "Turtles." It says that the word "Terrapin" refers only to edible turtles.

Questions: (1) Anyone ever heard this before? (2) Are some turtles not edible, leaving aside that many would find the idea of eating any turtle offputting? (3) Has anyone told Ralph Friedgen?

As for terrapins, the dictionaries I've seen use that word for fresh water turtles. I don't know which are good for eating. Since many species are protected, it's hard to get good turtle these days.

He's taller than I am.

Wound up with a cocktiel (sp?) instead. Apoligies to you Jim (at least I think its you who has a parrot) but birds are loud and messy. Not a day goes by that I don't want to let my German Short Hair Pointer have some fun with that bird.

Would have reservations about Choi going to the HR Derby. If he's in the groove he wins going away. If not, could be very embarassing.

I'm not lying.

All Choi would have to do is hit one.

Ten players: five top All-Star team members in home run standings for American League, five top All-Star team members in home run standings for National League, determined by Major League Baseball.

Sam, looking at a picture of Ralph Friedgen tells me that he isn't too concerned with labels of edible or non-edible.
"Get in my Belly, Turtle"

Too bad Gagne is out because I so much wanted to see him pitch to Carl Crawford.

Not if JT is still employed.

It's 2-0 Yankees in the first.

Note to Scott Kazmir: Don't throw Gary Sheffield your changeup.

Seems like I missed quite a bit in the overnight discussion. I'll throw in that I once saw Marilyn Manson with Rose McGowan at the movies (Summer of Sam). I thought they both looked scary, but I was impressed that Marilyn goes through the trouble to get his scary face on for a simple trip to the movies. It was part of an absolute monster week of celebrity sightings for me, wherein I also saw Snoop and Tyra.

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"My man doesn't need to eat turtle eggs."

I've got a friend who's passed the bar in about a dozen states. Or you can call my sister-in-law who is a civil procedure professor for help.

Boy are the family dinners fun when she starts talking about civil procedure.

Specifically, during a season-turning -- possibly career-turning -- run early last August, in which Gagne threw 109 pitches during one particularly crucial six-day stretch in the immediate aftermath of a spate of controversial July 31 trade deadline moves?

I like how suddenly 109 pitches over six days is worse than a starter who throws 100+ pitches every five days for a whole year.

1. Have these turtle egg eating people never heard of Viagra.

2. Why would anyone take the bar in a dozen states?

I have a feeling that wont come out formatted like I want it to =)