There were 5,717 people at the Palace of the Fans in Cincinnati to watch the visting Brooklyn team edge the Reds, 4-2. But the win was just a brief bright spot in a dismal year. Brooklyn was 30-50 and 27 ½ games out of first behind the Giants and in 6th place.
Blue laws made Sunday ball illegal in many places in 1904, but the people of Cincinnati were able to take in this game. But the Reds fans saw starter Noodles Hahn give up four runs in the third inning. Brooklyn strung together two hits, two walks, and two errors to score all of its runs. Brooklyn had just four hits on the day, all singles.
The Reds scored two runs in the sixth to cut the lead in half and were poised to go ahead with runners on and one out in the seventh and Cy Seymour, the team's leading hitter, at the plate. Seymour scorched a line drive but Brooklyn first baseman Pop Dillon managed to glove it and turn it into a double play to end the threat. Ed Poole was the winning pitcher for Brooklyn.
After a winning season in 1903, Brooklyn slid all the way to 56-97 in 1904 and finished in sixth place, 50 games behind first place New York in sixth place.
Manager Ned Hanlon made some puzzling personnel decisions before the season started. Needing a catcher, Hanlon purchased Bill Bergen from the Reds in the offseason. Bergen would play for eight seasons in Brooklyn, primarily as the first string catcher. His highest batting average in Brooklyn was .190 and he hit only one home run during that time.
Shortstop Bill Dahlen was traded to the Giants for Charlie Babb, a shortstop who hit .265 and pitcher Jack Cronin who went 12-23. Dutch Jordan took over at second base and batted .179. 21-year old third baseman Mike McCormick batted .184 in his only big league season.
Outfielder Harry Lumley was the lone highlight. The rookie outfielder led the NL with 18 triples and 9 home runs. But Lumley was not the light at the end of the tunnel for the franchise. There were still greater precipices to fall from. The Dodgers finances were in terrible shape and the New York Giants were the dominant team in the market.
Thanks to the New York Times, BaseballReference.com and Retrosheet
Minor League Update
Statistical summary format is AVG/OBP/SLG for hitters and ERA/IP/K/BB for pitchers.
Las Vegas 51s (AAA):
The 51s got pounded by Tucson 12 - 1.
Center fielder Milton Bradley made his second rehab appearance with the 51s, going 1 for 3 with a stolen base, a run scored, and a strikeout before being pulled to start the 7th (.200/.200/.200). Left fielder Todd Donovan drove in Bradley for the 51s only run. OVerall, Donovan went 1 for 4 with a double and a strikeout (.286/.364/.321). Third baseman Willy Aybar went 0 for 3 with a walk and a strikeout (.300/.365/.443). First baseman Norihiro Nakamura went 0 for 3 with a walk (.281/.343/.558).
All 12 of Tucson's runs were allowed by the starting pitcher Heath Totten. Totten lasted only 3.2 innings, allowing 14 hits (3 homeruns) and no walks with 3 strikeouts (6.32/89.2/64/22). Lefty reliever Luis Gonzalez made his first appearance with the Suns. Gonzalez pitched well, allowing 1 hit and 1 walk with 3 strikeouts over 1.1 scoreless innings (0.00/1.1/3/1). Relievers Beua Dannemiller, Mike Neu, Alfredo Gonzalez, and Franquelis Osoria each pitched a scoreless inning to complete the game. Osoria pitched a perfect 9th inning with no strikeouts (2.45/40.1/25/7).
Jacksonville Suns (AA):
The Suns lost 7 - 2 to Montgomery.
Shortstop Joel Guzman had a good night at the plate, going 2 for 4 with a double and a strikeout (.290/.355/.503). Catcher Russell Martin went 1 for 4 with a walk (.316/.441/.421). Second baseman Delwyn Young went 0 for 3 with a walk and a strikeout (.287/.339/.464). Third baseman Andy LaRoche went 1 for 4 with a walk, a run scored, and a strikeout (.329/.409/.585). First baseman James Loney went 1 for 4 (.274/.355/.391). Center fielder Justin Ruggiano went 0 for 3 with a hit-by-pitch and 2 strikeouts (.360/.429/.480). So far, Ruggiano seems to be having trouble adjusting to AA pitching as he has 10 strikeouts in just 25 at-bats. None of the Suns position players appear to be good candidates for a promotion to Las Vegas before the end of the season.
Neither of the Suns pitchers pitched well in the game, with Joel Hanrahan pitching the first 6 innings and Jonathan Broxton pitching the final 2. Starter Hanrahan allowed 5 runs (all earned) on 7 hits (1 homerun) and 1 walk with 9 strikeouts. Since dominating with Jacksonville in 2003 at 21 years old, Hanrahan has consistently struggled in both AAA and AA. If he continues his struggles, Hanrahan would be a likely candidate to be dropped from the 40-man roster after the season. Reliever Jonathan Broxton struggled in his first inning of relief, allowing 2 runs (both earned) on 3 hits (1 triple) in the 7th. In the 8th inning, Broxton allowed a two-out double, but got out of the inning without further damage. Broxton struck out 2 and walked none in his 2 innings pitched (3.52/87.0/91/28).
Vero Beach Dodgers (High-A):
The Dodgers beat Dunedin 6 - 1.
Shorstop Chin-lung Hu rejoined the starting lineup in impressive fashion. Hu went 3 for 4 with 2 doubles and 2 runs scored (.284/.327/.409). Tony Abreu moved back to second base and went 1 for 4 with a run scored (.319/.346/.346). Right fielder Matt Kemp went 1 for 4 with a strikeout (.285/.322/.578). As Canuck pointed out last night, Kemp has been doing a better job of avoiding the strikeout recently, but it seems he could still use more work with Vero Beach. First baseman Cory Dunlap went 1 for 4 with a strikeout (.278/.373/.370). Left fielder Anthony Raglani went 1 for 4 with a run scored, an RBI, and a strikeout (.284/.387/.433).
Chuck Tiffany pitched a tremendous game for the Dodgers. Over 7 innings of work, Tiffany held Dunedin to 1 run (earned) on 2 hits while striking out 6 (3.36/80.1/92/28). The only downside to Tiffany's performance was that Dunedin's lone run came by way of a homerun. Tiffany has had trouble keeping the ball in the park this season, allowing 10 homeruns in 80.1 innings pitched. Beyond that, all of his peripheral statistics are extremely impressive. Reliever Casey Hoorelbeke pitched 2 scoreless innings to finish the game. Hoorelbeke allowed 2 hits and no walks with 1 strikeout (1.85/58.1/41/27). Unlike Tiffany, the only thing Hoorelbeke has done well is avoid the homerun (0 homeruns in 58.1 innings pitched).
Columbus Catfish (Low-A):
The Catfish lost to Greenville 8 - 3.
The 7 hits for the Catfish were scattered throughout the lineup, with only left fielder Lucas May getting multiple hits in the game. May went 2 for 4 with an RBI and a strikeout (.238/.274/.364). Right fielder Sergio Pedroza went 1 for 4 with a run scored and a striikeout (.333/.375/.400). Pedroza appears to be doing well adjusting to Sally League pitching, though he only has 1 extra-base hit (a double) so far in 15 at-bats. Second baseman Travis Denker had a decent night, going 1 for 3 with a walk, a run scored and a strikeout (.289/.402/.525). Third baseman Blake Dewitt contributed Columbus' only extra-base hit in the game, going 1 for 4 with a double and an RBI (.267/.315/.418).
Losing pitcher Scott Elbert was decent, but was hurt by his defense, allowing 2 unearned runs to score in the 4th after a fielding error by first baseman Daniel Batz. Over 5 innings pitched, Elbert allowed 3 runs (1 earned) on 6 hits and 3 walks with 6 strikeouts (3.30/71.0/72/37). Elbert was the Dodgers 1st round pick in the 2004 draft and the 17th pick overall. Last year, he struggled as a high school pitcher facing more mature Pioneer League competition. Coming into the season, Baseballl America ranked Elbert as the Dodgers 11th best prospect and 6th best pitching prospect. This year, at only 19 years old, Elbert has handled himself well in the Sally League, though he may move slightly down the Dodgers prospect list due to the remarkable depth of the Dodgers minor league pitching.
Ogden Raptors (Rookie):
The Raptors crushed Missoula 11 - 3.
Everybody hits! Well, everybody but catcher Juan Apodaca that is. Apodaca went 0 for 5 with 2 strikeouts (.316/.342/.645) while his teammates managed 9 hits and 7 walks. Third baseman Russell Mitchell had a great night, going 2 for 3 with a double, a walk, 2 runs scored, an RBI (.333/.366/.657). Shortstop Juan Rivera and second baseman Jesus Soto were both back in the starting lineup after sitting out the night before. Rivera went 1 for 3 with a walk, a double, and a strikeout (.284/.370/.358). Soto went 1 for 4 with a walk, a run scored, and a strikeout (.304/.345/.480). Designated hitter David Sutherland went 1 for 4 with a walk, a run scored, and an RBI (.443/.522/.515). Unfortunately, Sutherland broke his monumental three-game extra-base hit streak. Right fielder BJ Richmond went 1 for 3 with a walk, a run scored, 2 RBIs, and a strikeout (.315/.400/.452). Richmond was drafted in the 7th round of the 2004 draft out of Southern Methodist College. After struggling with Ogden last year, Richmond is repeating the Pioneer League at 21 years old. Center fielder Adam Godwin went 1 for 3 with a triple, a sacrifice fly, 2 runs scored and 3 RBIs (.300/.356/.400). The performance raised Godwin's batting average to .300 for the first time this season.
Starting pitcher Mario Alvarez pitched very well, allowing just 1 run (earned) on 1 hit and a walk with 4 strikeouts (4.38/12.1/12/3). Alvarez, a 21 year old right-hander, was pulled with 2 outs in the 6th inning and one man on. David Pfeiffer came on in relief and pitched 3.1 innings to finish the game. Pfeiffer took care of the only batter he faced in the 6th, but allowed 2 runs (both earned) on 3 hits, no walks, and 4 strikeouts over his final 3 innings (6.75/20.0/15/6). Pfeiffer, a 19 ear old left-hander, was drafted in the 14th round of the 2003 draft, but did not pitch in the Dodgers system until last year. In 2004, Pfeiffer pitched well for the GCL Dodgers but struggled with Ogden.
GCL Dodgers (Rookie):
The Dodgers beat the GCL Mets 6 - 2.
Right fielder Jesus Mora had a perfect night at the plate, going 3 for 3 with a walk, 2 runs scored, an an RBI (.314/.386/.412). Mora was signed by the Dodgers as an amateur free agent in 2002. Last year was his first professional season and he struggled with the GCL Dodgers, only managing a .717 OPS. Center fielder Jeremy Brown also had a good night at the plate, going 2 for 4 with a homerun, 2 RBIs, and a strikeout (.286/.405/.371). In 35 at-bats with the Dodgers, Brown has demonstrated great plate discipline (5 walks an 7 strikeouts), but very little power (ISOp of .085). Shorstop Ivan DeJesus went 1 for 4 with a run scored (.306/.338/.371). Third baseman Eduardo Perez went 1 for 3 with a double (.315/.403/.444). Designated-hitter Josh Bell went 1 for 3 with a walk and a run scored (.299/.347/.418).
Everybody pitches! Greg Miller started the game for his 4th rehab appearance. Miller pitched 3 perfect innings with 6 strikeouts (2.25/12/14/4). Hopefully, after this performance, Miller's next start will be at a higher level in the Dodgers farm system (perhaps Vero Beach). Jumbo Diaz pitched an inning of relief, allowing a solo homerun while striking out 1 (4.50/2/2/0). Josh Wall got the win with 2 scoreless / hitless innings of relief. Wall allowed 2 walks while striking out 2 (3.60/5.0/4/3). Reliever Eduardo Quintana pitched 1.2 innings, allowing 1 run (earned) on 3 hits with 1 strikeout (2.51/14.1/14/10). Wilfredo Diaz was called on just to get the last out of the 8th (3.00/9.0/8/4). Finally, Miguel Ramirez pitched a scoreless 9th with 1 walk and 1 strikeout to finish the game (1.74/10.1/10/2).
When Jason Phillips was at bat in the 9th inning in a tie game with two outs, Hee-Seop Choi was in the on deck circle.
WHY?
WHY?
There was no possible way for him to bat in the inning. Do players just not realize this? Are they supposed to be there so they can tell the player coming into home whether or not to slide in case of a close play?
Not likely.
But still why? The point of the rule of having someone in the ondeck circle is so that managers have to tip their hands about who will bat next. And to make pitchers come out earlier.
But what sort of strategy would be affected?
I was thinking that if the game had gone to extras, the Dodgers would have had the upper hand with better relievers available. Which was sort of scary.
Who knows, considering the hitter isn't committed until he approaches the plate.
The times I've seen it impact strategy is when you have a mildly injured superstar who is (un)available. Sending him out to the ondeck circle can force opposing managers to plan to face a big bopper as opposed to a popgun.
Dunn is a VERY bad fielder. Very bad fielders can make a good play once in a while. Ask Derek Jeter. A great play at short, or a great catch in the outfield, makes the highlights on ESPN, but groundballs missed or flyballs that drop in for hits when good fielders could have turned those into outs do not make the highlights.
#8 - Although they are annoying and make me feel like I'm a 14-year old girl writing notes in class, these little emoticons are the simplest way to invoke a sense of emotion to these otherwise monotone posts.
In this example, my post #5 has a winky-face at the end ( ;-) ). This is intended to accent the post with a tongue-in-cheek tone. Therefore the content of the post should not be taken at face value, rather with the intended amount of sarcasm.
I know this is a baseball blog but this is just so annoying:
http://tinyurl.com/deoct
The fact that Rockstar could be in trouble because people change the game after it is sold is amazing to me. I feel like this is the equivalent of putting a brown paper bag around people magazine because ten year olds could draw nipples on the women with a marker.
To follow up on yesterday's rumor of us trading for Takatsu, apparently it's either the Giants or D-Backs who are interested in him. If the giants give up more of their top prospects to get a mediocre reliever I might just die of laughter.
Coincidence or Trend? lol - trust a Cincy local, the dude does not posses tools of defense. I am sure Reds mgmt was stoked Dunn was on 'webgems', because it only happens once in a blue moon.
"...when wins don't come cheap, boy are they a relief."
Amen. Attended the game, and stayed til the end because I was enjoying the day. I wouldn't have bet a nickel on the Dodgers winning this game after they'd been shut out on one hit from the fourth inning until two outs into the ninth. Not even after Saenz's walk and Robles' hit, because Izzy was coming up and he'd done nothing at the plate all day. But boy was it satisfying when it all went down. There is nothing like it in spectator sports. Baseball is it, man.
#20 - If Depo decides that he wants another big bat, one of the trio of Werth, Perez, or Choi is out of a starting job next year.
Perez would appear to have the most trade value, but he's also the most versatile defensively. I'd like to see a new LF, with Werth and Ledee as a L/R 4th OFer.
I was on the road listening to the road listening to the game yesterday. The senario was exciting. Bottom of the ninth two outs and the dodgers were mounting a comeback. Then I remembered that izzy was coming up. I then turned off the radio because I knew we were going to lose. First time in a long time that a break goes our way. No injury pun intended. If I would have left it on and izzy proceeded to strike out like I thought he would, I would have gone nuts. That't what this crazy season has done to me.
That was an enjoyable interview Vinny conducted with Jim Tracy and Felipe Alou on the pre-game show. The Barry Bonds sarcastic short flick was a bit over the top.
23 - The lineup has all of the right people in it (besides Perez) but the order is obviously a little off. I will give Tracy a B+ for effort (with his handicap that is an A+).
My lineup:
Robles
Choi
Kent
Ledee
Werth
Phillips
Izturis
Repko (moved behind Izzy for L/R throughout)
Weaver
12 - Leave Grand Theft Auto alone! Gawd, I hate it when politicians make these stupid kind of stunts, no matter what the political affiliation.
BTW, happened to watch Grand Theft Parsons on Showtime last night. As a Gram Parsons fan who has long been tickled by the story of his body snatching (and journey to Joshua Tree for cremation), it was great.
27 - What I don't understand is, if the kid is smart enough to download this patch, install it on the playstation and then watch it, surely they are smart enough to find other porn on the internet. 80% of the internet seems to be porn anyway, not to mention peer to peer downloaders. This is one of those non-issues that somehow makes its way into the news and then everyone starts grandstanding.
When I think about losing young players, I try to imagine who would "come back to haunt us," which is to be avoided. The ultimate "come back to haunt us" is Pedro Martinez. Paul Konerko is up there. Todd Hollandsworth, seldom. No one really remembers he was rookie of the year for us.
-Chances Werth will "come back to haunt us": 5 percent. He's a journeyman in the making, a poor man's Hollandsworth.
-Chances Choi will "come back to haunt us": 50 percent. His career will have its moments, but we'd eventually forget he was here.
-Chances Antonio Perez will "come back to haunt us": 70 percent. He's consistently risen to the occasion, and has that great bat speed. With experience, I think he could be very good.
29 - Absolutely right on all accounts. Politicians make these grand pronouncements, knowing full well it will have no effect, so they can say to a small band of constituents `See, I tried!'. What a joke.
Don't mean to offend anybody, but it's kind of like the Pope (or others) decrying the Harry Potter books because they speak of `wizards and demons'. Krikey, back the heck off! At least the kids are reading!
When I think about losing young players, I try to imagine who would "come back to haunt us," which is to be avoided. The ultimate "come back to haunt us" is Pedro Martinez. Paul Konerko is up there. Todd Hollandsworth, seldom. No one really remembers he was rookie of the year for us.
Werth will not come back to haunt us. Choi--possibly. Perez--more likely. If the choice is those three, I hope they keep Perez.
30 - I think the ones who would haunt us are the youngins in Jacksonville. Those three all have some promise, but more than likely will never be All-Stars. Some of those guys will be stars one day.
#30: I disagree with your assessments of Choi and Perez though you're probably accurate with Werth. Everthing about Choi's career screams the opportunity for breakout in a huge way. If he leaves the Dodgers and picks up with a team that actually plays him on a daily basis, he could very easily OPS .850+ with 30-35 HRs annually. Perez on the other hand hasn't shown that much potential in his minor league career, is not even a full year younger than Choi, and his performance this year is more luck than skill. He could be a better than average second baseman, but it's unlikely he would come back to haunt us.
#36: Good point, Benaiah. At least a few of our prospects will be perennial All-Stars. It's unfortunate that we don't know for sure which ones :).
#37: The other reason Choi has the potential to seem a lot worse is that our best first base prospect, James Loney, is likely never going to hit for that kind of production. On the other hand, we have multiple guys in our farm system who will likely out-produce Antonio Perez.
You're correct in your assessment that Choi has the potential to come back to haunt us more than Perez, but just from watching both players all year, I'd still put my money on Perez having a better career. Choi's swing just has so many holes that I feel they'd have to start from scratch to tap his potential. Perez has a great line drive swing which won't give him perennial 20 HR power, but should be good for a .300+ average with lots of doubles plus his stolen base potential to boot.
Choi will come back to haunt us for sure. I don't see any point in trading him unless it's to Boston, Oakland, or Toronto. I just get the feeling the other GM's just don't value him highly. This means, we probably wouldn't get much value from him, not the value he's really worth at least.
I don't see any situation where we would win with us letting go of him. And the only situation where we would win keeping him is if we play him. So, I say (of course), just play him Tracy...
Nice to see Lowe working in the pen. Maybe he figured out that something was wrong.
Choi with a beast of a walk. He has settled down lately and gotten on base alot. Unfortunately, he is a Two True outcomes hitter since the middle of June. I would love to see the occasional dinger out of him.
Primary blame in that inning for not capitalizing on the lead-off doubles goes to...Jason Phillips. Gotta get that runner over with no outs. He sure strikes out a lot for a guy that's not supposed to strike out a lot.
I'm trying to understand how all of these "holes" in Choi's swing correspond into actual production.
Perez projects to have a lower career batting average than Choi because he strikes out about the same amount of the time and he doesn't get to boost his average by hitting the ball where the fielders can't catch them. Also, comparing their line drive swings, here are Choi and Perez's line drive %-ages from Hardball Times:
Nice play Choi! I guess he figured he might as well catch it and make the out rather than limbo again. Should he have gotten out of the way on that play or did he do the right thing to go back to first?
I have never played San Andreas, but mostly because I know what an addicting game GTA is. I basically blacked out for two weeks my Freshman year with Vice City. I didn't go to class, I didn't go to work. I would just wake up and play all day. Fortunately after a couple of weeks of Snood (video game methadone) I was free and clear.
I could be convinced that Choi will break out one day, but I'm sticking to my guns on Perez. If that guy is merely lucky, he's been pretty consistently lucky during each of his stints with the major league team.
It is probably Old Thinking, but I love Perez's bat speed. Guys with those long, lazy swings like Choi's seem more likely to go into long slumps when that rotating lumber machine gets out of adjustment.
50 - What is so great about Alverez. His peripherals and ERA don't exactly blow me away.
I can't believe that the Marlins made this trade. Arroyo is locked up for longer, and Shoppach is a good prospect, but this is ridiculous. I guess it frees up salary and Lowell was disappointing this year, but they downgraded at two spots. If this is an example of the horrible "seller's market" than I think the Dodgers should hold on, if AJ is worth Arroyo than Weaver is worth what? Wakefield?
They are talking about it over on Primer. It is a radio report from ESPN and Fox Sports Florida.
Florida loses big in that deal (again). At least Ed Wade will have a place to land. I have no idea how San Diego got involved, but it is approaching Beane-level genius if he can turn Sean Burroughs into anything even approaching useful.
A sidenote, Robles is hitting 2/9 with zero BB since Izzy came back. Small numbers obviously, but I wonder if he is spooked or something. More likely I should probably not worry about 2.5 games worth of production.
I at least like this deal for Florida better than what was on the table from Baltimore (Penn, Julio, and Bigbie). Arroyo is only a small step below Burnett considering Burnett got to play in a pitcher's park and Arroyo in a hitter's park facing tough offenses. Plus, Lowell has looked completely lost at the plate this year and is very expensive. Getting Shoppach gives them a catcher of the future since our old friend Paulie is getting a bit old for a catcher. I'm not sure Burroughs will even start since there was talk of moving Cabrera back to 3B and calling up their uber-OF prospect Jeremy Hermida.
Bottom line is that Burnett was not going to be a Marlin next year so the Marlins had to get something for him.
Man, I thought Florida could have gotten something big for AJ. At least a premier prospect or two. They got nothing that will help this year, and without Lowell they might be hurting next year too. That guy Shoppach isn't even one of the 10 best 3B prospects in the game. He wasn't a top 20 Red Sox prospect for John Sickles before this year (though he probably would be a top 20 now), crazy trade.
#58: So then I assume by that same rationale you're against trading for Dunn?
Guess which Dodgers have the four highest BABIPs amongst players with more than 40 at-bats.
#1: Antonio Perez - .405 BABIP
#2: Oscar Robles - .388 BABIP
#3: Ricky Ledee - .368 BABIP
#4: Paul Bako - .357 BABIP
If you guessed the four Dodgers who have exceeded all reasonable expectations of their performance, you would be right! Place your bets on how long until the top three fall back to earth.
In 2003, Perez posted a .248 batting average in 125 at-bats with essentially all the same peripheral statistics K/AB, BB/AB, and HR/AB. His line drive %-age may have gone up a little, but the primary difference is luck. Perez strikes out way too often to be a true .300 hitter.
By 3B I mean C. He might be a top 10 C prospect given his power. I still don't like the trade. Consider how much teams paid for mediocre talent like Kip Wells and V Zambrano last year.
Is Quality Start overrated? I really would like to see another category called "Excellent Start" where a pitcher pitches 7 or more innings and gives up 2 or less runs.
72 - I thought you already talked about the Dominant Start stat (7IP 1 or 0 ER). QS are overrated, but they should be a baseline. If your pitchers very rarely throw anything but QS then you should be in great shape.
#70: It sounds like it's primarily a salary dump for the Marlins. As somone already suggested, this allows the Marlins to move Cabrera back to 3B, his original position, and bring up Jeremy Hermida in the outfield. Additionally, Bronson Arroyo gives them a relatively inexpensive above-average starting pitcher for a few years, whereas they would have lost Burnett in the offseason.
Call me old-fashioned (for once), but sometimes what you see should superceded the numbers. A good example is that some people were saying that Izturis has just been unlucky lately because his BABIP is low, but from watching the games he's just not making good contact at all. Conversely, Perez seems to make hard contact every time he doesn't strike out, so to me it makes sense that a lot of those balls would fall for hits.
#75 Vishal
I agree that the strike zone appears to be exceedingly large, both up and down when we're at the plate. Home plate ump is a temporary replacement and is the guy who blew the Phillips check-swing call last night.
One thing that bothers me about Quality Start is that 6 innings with 3 runs is 4.50 ERA which is average ERA. Why is this called a quality when it just seems like average to me. I guess this is the state of pitching these days. Maybe if we ever get better pitching in the future, they might have to change the category. When did they start keeping Quality Start stats?
#69, 78
I believe that BABIP is considered to be a "luck" stat as applies to pitchers, not to hitters. Players who make harder contact should have higher BABIPs.
i'm no expert, but i believe that BABIP is generally correlated with line drive percentage in order to determine how lucky a hitter is. of course it's not an exact science determining what counts as a line drive, but i think it's supposed to give you a good idea about how lucky a hitter is.
#78: Actually, over the entire season, Izturis' BABIP of .302 is probably about where it should be, though perhaps a little low. Players look good when their hits are falling in and they don't look good otherwise.
A stat that I'd like to see a stat that measures how often a player makes hard contact, something like the Hard Hit Index (HHI). This could help predict players about to come out of a slump or players who are just plain getting lucky. It would be a good stat for pitchers as well. Seems to have more logical practicality than BABIP.
By the way, Weaver's ERA has gone down every start since May 24 when it peaked at 5.97. Since then, he has given up 19 ER in 59.1 IP (20 ER in 64.1 counting today) for a 2.88 ERA (2.80 counting today). I really do like Weaver, both years he has started slow, but when he gets in his groove he is a very solid #3.
#82: That's correct. The three statistics that Hardball Times have shown are the most highly correlated to BABIP are LD%, FB%, and K%. But, the impacts of those are still relatively small, so anytime a hitter has a BABIP of .400 you can pretty much guarantee it's luck.
#85: Take a look at the statistics on www.hardballtimes.com. Line drive percentage is pretty close to that. Hardball Times also has the ratio of HRs / Flyballs, which would also give some idea of how hard flyballs are being hit.
80 - Rob Neyer just wrote an article about the very subject.
It came down to several things:
1. You can use the same argument against several stats. Wins are severally flawed, saves can come from up to 6 runs up in the ninth with 2 out, a run can come from reaching on a fielders choice then scoring on a home run, etc.
2. The cumulative ERA for quality starts this year is 2.03, far from the 4.5 that is the bear minimum
Basically, while a quality start isn't a perfect stat, it is a better stat than most traditionally pitching stats.
I really want to know how often sending the runner on 3-2 with one out succeeds, because it seems like it ends in a strike 'em out, throw 'em out double play for us about 85% of the time.
"This team is without two-third of its starting outfield, the left side of its infield and its closer, and its best starting pitcher is just now off the DL after missing more than two months. It's a lost season in Chavez Ravine, and the rest of the year needs to be viewed as prep work for '06."
You got to love the fact that this journalist who makes a power ranking, doesn't know anything about the Dodgers. I am just guessing but he got most of that info second hand.
i think izturis' freefall was abetted by his bum hamstring. if robles is healthy, even if he starts to regress a little, there's no reason he should freefall. maybe he'll hit .260 or .280 for a month and regress to .300
#98: Yes. Tracy will put Perez and Robles in significant roles and then we'll have to watch them plummet to .265 while both give up free outs at the top of our order. The good news is that at least Robles and Perez take walks.
105. Agree. I don't think Izzy is a .300 hitter for a whole season. It was just that he started out like a house on fire and melted down so fast that it was so noticible. If Izzy ended up hitting .270 without having such up and down season, we would have been pleased.
#103: I remember reading about The Trade last year and how great it was for Florida because they only had to trade their 5th starter. I think at the time Ismael Valdez was pitching for them :).
#106: I agree as well. Izturis is a .275 - .285 hitter which is fine for a defensively oriented shorstop. I just wish Tracy would bat him 8th where he belongs.
In "Seinfeld", there was a brand of whiskey that the group drank called Hennessey's. Since I don't drink, is that a real product or did they make up the name?
#69
No, I'm not sold on the Dunn trade. Too many cats sniffing around that kitty. We'd have to overpay for him, and then he'd drive us crazy by being what he is--a one dimensional player.
I'd rather try to entice Texas into overpaying for a couple of our pitchers, Jeff Weaver or Odalis Perez plus Gio Carrara or Duaner Sanchez, in exchange for one of their hard-hitting infielders.
The way Weaver is pitching lately, we can ask a lot for him, even as a rental. Texas will fall out of contention without another strong starter.
#115/117: Antonio Perez or Oscar Robles would be fine as leadoff hitters. All you need is someone who gets on base and it's nice that both of them take walks. Drew would be wasting a lot of his ability as a leadoff hitter.
Wow. This is a stunning quote about Felix Pie from a Phil Rogers ESPN article.
"He's an exciting player, a really exciting player," West Tenn manager Bobby Dickerson said. "He loves to win. That's the biggest thing I've seen. He really enjoys winning ball games, and he always wins. Every team he's been on has made the playoffs, and three won championships."
So, he's good because he likes winning? That's nice.
I don't know why getting a Blalock or Young for Weaver is a dream. It would be a classic case of a team trading from its strength to address a weakness. They will miss the home runs a lot less than the QS's.
We could throw in Robles if they send Blalock. Or Choi if they'll send Texiera.
#163: Besides the fact that it's provably slower, the last thing we need is old man Kent diving head-first into the first base bag. Doesn't he realize that everyone else on the team is already injured?
158 - I am assuming crunk juice is a hip hop mix drink and those guys don't play by the rules... I think you can make crunk juice with kool-aid and spiced rum too, but I could be wrong.
Mike Krukow has just explained to the Giants fans that Omar Vizquel is so good that even on a tough play like that he got Kent out by "two feet". I guess Vizquel is good enough to bend the fabric of space-time because it looked a lot more like two inches to me on the replay.
Either Kent wants to take some time off so that he won't have to play with so many minor leaguers or he wants to set an example (hustle?) to the younger players?
#171: Two inches and only because Kent started sliding about 10 feet from the bag. I don't know why it frustrates me so much, but it seemed pretty clear he would have been safe if he just ran through the bag.
#173
I've heard that it's faster to run through first than to slide, but I've never seen any hard data either way. Some players certainly seem to think the slide is faster - Kent being one of them. That isn't the first time I've seen Kent do that.
Guys who slide headfirst into first base are stuck in their ways. Roberto Alomar refused to change. I think Kenny Lofton still does it and he tore up his shoulder doing it.
I am just guessing by Tracy is going to yank Choi against the lefty. The problem is that this game could go into extras and then you have Grabbo or something in. Let Choi take his swing.
174 - The difference is whether you have your legs to propel you those last couple of steps vs. trying to get your hands there first by going horizontal. I would vote for the first, but would agree that it's instinctual.
Yhency needs to get work more often, either than or he needs to never come in without it being a save situation. It is nice to have a closer with a sub 5 ERA.
Save Opportunities: 18.1 IP 7 ER, 3.37 ERA (2 ERA without Pierzynski's bomb)
Non-Save: 19 IP, 17 ER, 8.05 ERA
He has allowed one HR in Save opportunities, but 5 in Non save in comparable innings pitched. I don't know if he is being sloppy or what, but he is definitely much better with a save on the line.
Might as well let him work through it. We're not playing for anything, and if we sell, we'd be selling low. Not that I'm against selling; as everyone knows, Braz would be second on my list to Izturis as far as perceived value v. real value. But right now there's nothing to do but grin and bear it with Braz.
The problem isn't Yhency as a closer (so far anyway) the problem is yhency as a reliever or set-up man. Kou is the guy I would like to see come up and be a set up man. A high 90s fastball is still hard to hit in the bigs.
I think what Tracy should do is have all the relievers have a chance to close a game. If they get a save, they get to be the closer until they blow a save. Also Tracy shouldn't have used Braz in the 9th, he should've used Schmoll.
Why did the ESPN game start two hours ahead of the usual time? Anybody know? I don't see anything on their schedule this evening which is more earth-shattering than SNB.
230 -- Yhency the "closer" can pitch just as badly as Yhency the "reliever" or whatever that dichotomy is supposed to be. You're talking about meaningless sample sizes.
In case anyone thinks we don't truly suck consider this: The only thing standing between the Giants first 4 game sweep of the Dodgers in history was a gift (read: blown) call in the 9th yesterday.
Broxton at closer was the plan when we still had a chance. Season's over. Now fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly, Broxton's gotta start, and Guzman has to lead us to glory as Shortstop Reboot 2.0
234 - The sample is small, but at the same time, the sample for all relievers is small. Using hypothesis testing I find that there is less than a 1% chance that the difference between his stats while closing and his stats while not are due to chance.
Formula: z-score=(runs per IP as closer-runs per IP as a non-closer)/square root of {(probability of a run scoring in an save situation inning)/IP in save situations + (probability of run scoring in a non-save inning)/IP in non-save situations). The z-score was 3.9, so that works out to a p<.01 and the difference is highly significant.
The SF Chronicle had the 1923 4-game sweep also. But they didn't cite me!
Of course, they may have looked it up on their own.
But a 4-game sweep of anybody is pretty rare. There just aren't that many 4-game series.
The Dodgers have never swept a 4-game series from the Padres in Dodger Stadium. They have in San Diego. The Padres have done it a couple of times in both cities however.
A few years ago, the Padres came here and swept four and then the Dodgers went down to San Diego and did the same thing.
Maybe closer issue is not very relevant this year. The way this season is going, our closer will almost never pitch if he is only used in save situations.
What we need is relievers (closers, setup, mopup, long, short, aspirins, rollaids, whatever)?
248 - Definately. Penny and Weaver can be counted on to take us through 6 or 7, but Lowe, Perez and Houlton/Dessens/ect cannot. Alverez and Dessens are nice long guys, and Schmoll is solid. Sanchez is still a heart attack out there, but he is better than average. Erickson is a mop-up/DBB (designated bean baller) and Gio goes with Sanchez as a seat of his pants set up man. Our bullpen isn't awful, it just seems like they always let us down when it counts. Everygame we do just enough to lose, with a couple of flukes here and there.
Well the season is over for me, I'm off to England in a couple of days. I think I'll skip the Tuesday game for my sanity's sake. Baseball watching will be strictly through the Internet for the rest of the season for me. I guess this is the team's way of severing relations with me.
253 - I was in Ireland last year for the end of the season, it isn't worth watching most of the games. A night game starts at 1 or 2 AM. I am guessing that there will be no reason to stay up that late.
257 - I regret that the non-baseball season is so long. I waited and waited for baseball to start only to have to deal with this. The pain of today is better than the waiting in the offseason.
Orlando Rodriguez is making his first apperance since he had TJ surgery. He had a 0.00 ERA in 2002 in 35.1 innings. That season he had a 13.34 K/9 in the SALLY league.
#244: Benaiah, your analysis is based on key assumption that isn't true. It implicitly assumes that the quality of Brazoban's pitching has not varied over the course of the season. Brazoban got the majority of save situations early in the season when Gagne was injured and the Dodgers were actually generating save situations. Since then, the quality of his pitching overall has gone downhill, but he has had many fewer save situations (only 6). In those 6 appearances, Brazoban has allowed 5 earned runs in 6.2 innings.
#266: It's his first appearance with the Suns, though he has already pitched a fair amount for Vero Beach. With Vero Beach, Rodriguez had a 4.15 ERA with 25 Ks, 9 BBs, and 2 HRs allowed in 17.1 IP.
Luis Gonzalez, a recently promoted left-handed reliever, got shellacked by Tucson in his second appearance with Las Vegas. In his inning of relief, he allowed 4 runs (all earned) on 3 hits (2 homeruns) and 2 walks bumping his ERA to a not-so-pretty 15.43. At least he got a strikeout :P.
I don't understand why all contaracts are guaranteed. Take one of these players who gets this ridiculous contract-- Four years at five million per/yr. Woudn't some players rather take a contract at 7 million per for four years but when I'm i njured I only get a rate of one million per year. This would allow some players who are gung-ho to get more and save teams from having to pay a player 5 mil and all his medical expenses and watch him leave for his next big contract somewhere else. Of course, maybe teams are getting wise and we will see the end of guys like S. Boras, but I doubt it. I'm dreaming, aren't I. But isn't there any logic here???
271 -- When the Red Sox win the East, and either Plaschke or Modesti write the thumbsucker about how trading for Cora got them there, that one probably won't show up.
272 -- And how would we get to our promised payroll of $100 million using your crazy logic? Wouldn't you rather that Shawn Green got that money, to pay for his seventeenth antique motorcycle, rather than Frank McCourt get it to pay for the addition to his Holmby Hills estate?
267 - My analysis is based on this: why is Yhency's ERA so much higher in non-save situations? The null hypothesis: Yhency pitches the same in both situations, the alternative hypothesis: Yhency pitches better in save situations. Despite the sample size the second hypothesis is far more likely due to the large disparity. The probability of the null being true and the results being this far apart due to chance error is less than 1 in a 1000. Also, while Yhency did give up 5 ER in his last 6 Save chances, 4 of them were in one outing. He hasn't blown a save and only given up one run in his last 5 save chances (though his peripheral stats are sorely lacking there too, despite the 1.8 ERA). All told though, Yhency has given up as many ER in his last 3.1 IP in non-save situations as he has given up all year in save situations. While he might be regressing accross the board, he still seems to perform better with a save on the line.
Some potential good news, though I have no way to verify the result. I just did a service-time analysis for Milton Bradley based on all of the transactions from MLB.com and a website source that I found (kmbumb.people.wm.edu/roster/). I matched these up with the game logs on Baseball Musings to make sure they make sense, which they do. The result is that it looks like Bradley will only have 4 years 176 days of service time after this season. If that's accurate, he wouldn't be a free agent until after the 2007 season, missing the cutoff by just 6 days! Someone should double-check this work.
Here are the relevant transactions:
July 17th, 2000: Recalled OF Milton Bradley from AAA Ottowa.
August 2nd, 2000: Optioned OF Milton Bradley to AAA Ottowa.
August 11th, 2000: Recalled OF Milton Bradley from AAA Ottowa.
October 1st, 2000: Last game of the season for Montreal Expos.
2000 Total: 67 days of service time.
April 2nd, 2001: First game of the season for Montreal Expos.
June 22nd, 2001: Optioned OF Milton Bradley to AAA Ottowa.
July 31st, 2001: Traded to Cleveland Indians for RHP Zach Day. (Oops!)
July 31st, 2001: Optioned OF Milton Bradley to AAA Buffalo.
September 10th, 2001: Recalled OF Milton Bradley from AAA Ottowa.
October 7th, 2001: Last game of the season for Cleveland Indias.
2001 Total: 109 days of service time.
2002: Full season with Indians.
2002 Total: 182 days of service time.
2003: Full season with Indians.
2003 Total: 182 days of service time.
2004: Full season with Dodgers.
2004 Total: 182 days of service time.
2005: Full season with Dodgers
2005 Total: 182 days of service time.
Current standings of the Grabowski Flight of the DT Over/Under challenge. Email me if you want to join (xeifrank@yahoo.com)
7/17 Giants vs Jeff Weaver
Actual: 7 IPs
Colorado Blue: 6
Howard: 7
Xeifrank: 6 2/3
CT Bum: 7 1/3
Standings...
Howard 3-1-0
CT Bum 1-1-2
Xeifrank 1-1-2
Colorado Blue 1-3-0
#276: Benaiah. But your analysis is just analyzing the previous situations, it says nothing about his true ability or forward projections. There is a logical inconsistency there. Let's say we have the following situation:
Over a two month period pitcher A pitches in only save situations (30
July 17, 1904
There were 5,717 people at the Palace of the Fans in Cincinnati to watch the visting Brooklyn team edge the Reds, 4-2. But the win was just a brief bright spot in a dismal year. Brooklyn was 30-50 and 27 ½ games out of first behind the Giants and in 6th place.
Blue laws made Sunday ball illegal in many places in 1904, but the people of Cincinnati were able to take in this game. But the Reds fans saw starter Noodles Hahn give up four runs in the third inning. Brooklyn strung together two hits, two walks, and two errors to score all of its runs. Brooklyn had just four hits on the day, all singles.
The Reds scored two runs in the sixth to cut the lead in half and were poised to go ahead with runners on and one out in the seventh and Cy Seymour, the team's leading hitter, at the plate. Seymour scorched a line drive but Brooklyn first baseman Pop Dillon managed to glove it and turn it into a double play to end the threat. Ed Poole was the winning pitcher for Brooklyn.
After a winning season in 1903, Brooklyn slid all the way to 56-97 in 1904 and finished in sixth place, 50 games behind first place New York in sixth place.
Manager Ned Hanlon made some puzzling personnel decisions before the season started. Needing a catcher, Hanlon purchased Bill Bergen from the Reds in the offseason. Bergen would play for eight seasons in Brooklyn, primarily as the first string catcher. His highest batting average in Brooklyn was .190 and he hit only one home run during that time.
Shortstop Bill Dahlen was traded to the Giants for Charlie Babb, a shortstop who hit .265 and pitcher Jack Cronin who went 12-23. Dutch Jordan took over at second base and batted .179. 21-year old third baseman Mike McCormick batted .184 in his only big league season.
Outfielder Harry Lumley was the lone highlight. The rookie outfielder led the NL with 18 triples and 9 home runs. But Lumley was not the light at the end of the tunnel for the franchise. There were still greater precipices to fall from. The Dodgers finances were in terrible shape and the New York Giants were the dominant team in the market.
Thanks to the New York Times, BaseballReference.com and Retrosheet
Statistical summary format is AVG/OBP/SLG for hitters and ERA/IP/K/BB for pitchers.
Las Vegas 51s (AAA):
The 51s got pounded by Tucson 12 - 1.
Center fielder Milton Bradley made his second rehab appearance with the 51s, going 1 for 3 with a stolen base, a run scored, and a strikeout before being pulled to start the 7th (.200/.200/.200). Left fielder Todd Donovan drove in Bradley for the 51s only run. OVerall, Donovan went 1 for 4 with a double and a strikeout (.286/.364/.321). Third baseman Willy Aybar went 0 for 3 with a walk and a strikeout (.300/.365/.443). First baseman Norihiro Nakamura went 0 for 3 with a walk (.281/.343/.558).
All 12 of Tucson's runs were allowed by the starting pitcher Heath Totten. Totten lasted only 3.2 innings, allowing 14 hits (3 homeruns) and no walks with 3 strikeouts (6.32/89.2/64/22). Lefty reliever Luis Gonzalez made his first appearance with the Suns. Gonzalez pitched well, allowing 1 hit and 1 walk with 3 strikeouts over 1.1 scoreless innings (0.00/1.1/3/1). Relievers Beua Dannemiller, Mike Neu, Alfredo Gonzalez, and Franquelis Osoria each pitched a scoreless inning to complete the game. Osoria pitched a perfect 9th inning with no strikeouts (2.45/40.1/25/7).
Jacksonville Suns (AA):
The Suns lost 7 - 2 to Montgomery.
Shortstop Joel Guzman had a good night at the plate, going 2 for 4 with a double and a strikeout (.290/.355/.503). Catcher Russell Martin went 1 for 4 with a walk (.316/.441/.421). Second baseman Delwyn Young went 0 for 3 with a walk and a strikeout (.287/.339/.464). Third baseman Andy LaRoche went 1 for 4 with a walk, a run scored, and a strikeout (.329/.409/.585). First baseman James Loney went 1 for 4 (.274/.355/.391). Center fielder Justin Ruggiano went 0 for 3 with a hit-by-pitch and 2 strikeouts (.360/.429/.480). So far, Ruggiano seems to be having trouble adjusting to AA pitching as he has 10 strikeouts in just 25 at-bats. None of the Suns position players appear to be good candidates for a promotion to Las Vegas before the end of the season.
Neither of the Suns pitchers pitched well in the game, with Joel Hanrahan pitching the first 6 innings and Jonathan Broxton pitching the final 2. Starter Hanrahan allowed 5 runs (all earned) on 7 hits (1 homerun) and 1 walk with 9 strikeouts. Since dominating with Jacksonville in 2003 at 21 years old, Hanrahan has consistently struggled in both AAA and AA. If he continues his struggles, Hanrahan would be a likely candidate to be dropped from the 40-man roster after the season. Reliever Jonathan Broxton struggled in his first inning of relief, allowing 2 runs (both earned) on 3 hits (1 triple) in the 7th. In the 8th inning, Broxton allowed a two-out double, but got out of the inning without further damage. Broxton struck out 2 and walked none in his 2 innings pitched (3.52/87.0/91/28).
Vero Beach Dodgers (High-A):
The Dodgers beat Dunedin 6 - 1.
Shorstop Chin-lung Hu rejoined the starting lineup in impressive fashion. Hu went 3 for 4 with 2 doubles and 2 runs scored (.284/.327/.409). Tony Abreu moved back to second base and went 1 for 4 with a run scored (.319/.346/.346). Right fielder Matt Kemp went 1 for 4 with a strikeout (.285/.322/.578). As Canuck pointed out last night, Kemp has been doing a better job of avoiding the strikeout recently, but it seems he could still use more work with Vero Beach. First baseman Cory Dunlap went 1 for 4 with a strikeout (.278/.373/.370). Left fielder Anthony Raglani went 1 for 4 with a run scored, an RBI, and a strikeout (.284/.387/.433).
Chuck Tiffany pitched a tremendous game for the Dodgers. Over 7 innings of work, Tiffany held Dunedin to 1 run (earned) on 2 hits while striking out 6 (3.36/80.1/92/28). The only downside to Tiffany's performance was that Dunedin's lone run came by way of a homerun. Tiffany has had trouble keeping the ball in the park this season, allowing 10 homeruns in 80.1 innings pitched. Beyond that, all of his peripheral statistics are extremely impressive. Reliever Casey Hoorelbeke pitched 2 scoreless innings to finish the game. Hoorelbeke allowed 2 hits and no walks with 1 strikeout (1.85/58.1/41/27). Unlike Tiffany, the only thing Hoorelbeke has done well is avoid the homerun (0 homeruns in 58.1 innings pitched).
Columbus Catfish (Low-A):
The Catfish lost to Greenville 8 - 3.
The 7 hits for the Catfish were scattered throughout the lineup, with only left fielder Lucas May getting multiple hits in the game. May went 2 for 4 with an RBI and a strikeout (.238/.274/.364). Right fielder Sergio Pedroza went 1 for 4 with a run scored and a striikeout (.333/.375/.400). Pedroza appears to be doing well adjusting to Sally League pitching, though he only has 1 extra-base hit (a double) so far in 15 at-bats. Second baseman Travis Denker had a decent night, going 1 for 3 with a walk, a run scored and a strikeout (.289/.402/.525). Third baseman Blake Dewitt contributed Columbus' only extra-base hit in the game, going 1 for 4 with a double and an RBI (.267/.315/.418).
Losing pitcher Scott Elbert was decent, but was hurt by his defense, allowing 2 unearned runs to score in the 4th after a fielding error by first baseman Daniel Batz. Over 5 innings pitched, Elbert allowed 3 runs (1 earned) on 6 hits and 3 walks with 6 strikeouts (3.30/71.0/72/37). Elbert was the Dodgers 1st round pick in the 2004 draft and the 17th pick overall. Last year, he struggled as a high school pitcher facing more mature Pioneer League competition. Coming into the season, Baseballl America ranked Elbert as the Dodgers 11th best prospect and 6th best pitching prospect. This year, at only 19 years old, Elbert has handled himself well in the Sally League, though he may move slightly down the Dodgers prospect list due to the remarkable depth of the Dodgers minor league pitching.
Ogden Raptors (Rookie):
The Raptors crushed Missoula 11 - 3.
Everybody hits! Well, everybody but catcher Juan Apodaca that is. Apodaca went 0 for 5 with 2 strikeouts (.316/.342/.645) while his teammates managed 9 hits and 7 walks. Third baseman Russell Mitchell had a great night, going 2 for 3 with a double, a walk, 2 runs scored, an RBI (.333/.366/.657). Shortstop Juan Rivera and second baseman Jesus Soto were both back in the starting lineup after sitting out the night before. Rivera went 1 for 3 with a walk, a double, and a strikeout (.284/.370/.358). Soto went 1 for 4 with a walk, a run scored, and a strikeout (.304/.345/.480). Designated hitter David Sutherland went 1 for 4 with a walk, a run scored, and an RBI (.443/.522/.515). Unfortunately, Sutherland broke his monumental three-game extra-base hit streak. Right fielder BJ Richmond went 1 for 3 with a walk, a run scored, 2 RBIs, and a strikeout (.315/.400/.452). Richmond was drafted in the 7th round of the 2004 draft out of Southern Methodist College. After struggling with Ogden last year, Richmond is repeating the Pioneer League at 21 years old. Center fielder Adam Godwin went 1 for 3 with a triple, a sacrifice fly, 2 runs scored and 3 RBIs (.300/.356/.400). The performance raised Godwin's batting average to .300 for the first time this season.
Starting pitcher Mario Alvarez pitched very well, allowing just 1 run (earned) on 1 hit and a walk with 4 strikeouts (4.38/12.1/12/3). Alvarez, a 21 year old right-hander, was pulled with 2 outs in the 6th inning and one man on. David Pfeiffer came on in relief and pitched 3.1 innings to finish the game. Pfeiffer took care of the only batter he faced in the 6th, but allowed 2 runs (both earned) on 3 hits, no walks, and 4 strikeouts over his final 3 innings (6.75/20.0/15/6). Pfeiffer, a 19 ear old left-hander, was drafted in the 14th round of the 2003 draft, but did not pitch in the Dodgers system until last year. In 2004, Pfeiffer pitched well for the GCL Dodgers but struggled with Ogden.
GCL Dodgers (Rookie):
The Dodgers beat the GCL Mets 6 - 2.
Right fielder Jesus Mora had a perfect night at the plate, going 3 for 3 with a walk, 2 runs scored, an an RBI (.314/.386/.412). Mora was signed by the Dodgers as an amateur free agent in 2002. Last year was his first professional season and he struggled with the GCL Dodgers, only managing a .717 OPS. Center fielder Jeremy Brown also had a good night at the plate, going 2 for 4 with a homerun, 2 RBIs, and a strikeout (.286/.405/.371). In 35 at-bats with the Dodgers, Brown has demonstrated great plate discipline (5 walks an 7 strikeouts), but very little power (ISOp of .085). Shorstop Ivan DeJesus went 1 for 4 with a run scored (.306/.338/.371). Third baseman Eduardo Perez went 1 for 3 with a double (.315/.403/.444). Designated-hitter Josh Bell went 1 for 3 with a walk and a run scored (.299/.347/.418).
Everybody pitches! Greg Miller started the game for his 4th rehab appearance. Miller pitched 3 perfect innings with 6 strikeouts (2.25/12/14/4). Hopefully, after this performance, Miller's next start will be at a higher level in the Dodgers farm system (perhaps Vero Beach). Jumbo Diaz pitched an inning of relief, allowing a solo homerun while striking out 1 (4.50/2/2/0). Josh Wall got the win with 2 scoreless / hitless innings of relief. Wall allowed 2 walks while striking out 2 (3.60/5.0/4/3). Reliever Eduardo Quintana pitched 1.2 innings, allowing 1 run (earned) on 3 hits with 1 strikeout (2.51/14.1/14/10). Wilfredo Diaz was called on just to get the last out of the 8th (3.00/9.0/8/4). Finally, Miguel Ramirez pitched a scoreless 9th with 1 walk and 1 strikeout to finish the game (1.74/10.1/10/2).
When Jason Phillips was at bat in the 9th inning in a tie game with two outs, Hee-Seop Choi was in the on deck circle.
WHY?
WHY?
There was no possible way for him to bat in the inning. Do players just not realize this? Are they supposed to be there so they can tell the player coming into home whether or not to slide in case of a close play?
Not likely.
I think they just forget.
They mention it at times when the on-deck hitter affects the other team's strategy (pinch hitters and such).
But what sort of strategy would be affected?
I was thinking that if the game had gone to extras, the Dodgers would have had the upper hand with better relievers available. Which was sort of scary.
The times I've seen it impact strategy is when you have a mildly injured superstar who is (un)available. Sending him out to the ondeck circle can force opposing managers to plan to face a big bopper as opposed to a popgun.
In this example, my post #5 has a winky-face at the end ( ;-) ). This is intended to accent the post with a tongue-in-cheek tone. Therefore the content of the post should not be taken at face value, rather with the intended amount of sarcasm.
Dunn is a bad fielder. He can still mash though.
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Adam Dunn made a great play!
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The fact that Rockstar could be in trouble because people change the game after it is sold is amazing to me. I feel like this is the equivalent of putting a brown paper bag around people magazine because ten year olds could draw nipples on the women with a marker.
Ball three!
Coincidence or Trend? lol - trust a Cincy local, the dude does not posses tools of defense. I am sure Reds mgmt was stoked Dunn was on 'webgems', because it only happens once in a blue moon.
Amen. Attended the game, and stayed til the end because I was enjoying the day. I wouldn't have bet a nickel on the Dodgers winning this game after they'd been shut out on one hit from the fourth inning until two outs into the ninth. Not even after Saenz's walk and Robles' hit, because Izzy was coming up and he'd done nothing at the plate all day. But boy was it satisfying when it all went down. There is nothing like it in spectator sports. Baseball is it, man.
If the Dodgers do pick him up, the odd man out would be Choi or Werth, depending.
...the odd man out would be Choi or Werth...
Both of them, if the Dodgers continue playing Kent at first and/or playing Perez in left and moving Dunn to first.
Perez would appear to have the most trade value, but he's also the most versatile defensively. I'd like to see a new LF, with Werth and Ledee as a L/R 4th OFer.
Right fielder Ricky Ledee!
Robles
Izturis
Kent
Ledee
Phillips
Choi
Werth
Repko
Weaver
vs
Tucker
Vizquel
Snow
Alou
Durham
Matheny
Feliz
Ellison
Hennessey
My lineup:
Robles
Choi
Kent
Ledee
Werth
Phillips
Izturis
Repko (moved behind Izzy for L/R throughout)
Weaver
BTW, happened to watch Grand Theft Parsons on Showtime last night. As a Gram Parsons fan who has long been tickled by the story of his body snatching (and journey to Joshua Tree for cremation), it was great.
When I think about losing young players, I try to imagine who would "come back to haunt us," which is to be avoided. The ultimate "come back to haunt us" is Pedro Martinez. Paul Konerko is up there. Todd Hollandsworth, seldom. No one really remembers he was rookie of the year for us.
-Chances Werth will "come back to haunt us": 5 percent. He's a journeyman in the making, a poor man's Hollandsworth.
-Chances Choi will "come back to haunt us": 50 percent. His career will have its moments, but we'd eventually forget he was here.
-Chances Antonio Perez will "come back to haunt us": 70 percent. He's consistently risen to the occasion, and has that great bat speed. With experience, I think he could be very good.
Don't mean to offend anybody, but it's kind of like the Pope (or others) decrying the Harry Potter books because they speak of `wizards and demons'. Krikey, back the heck off! At least the kids are reading!
When I think about losing young players, I try to imagine who would "come back to haunt us," which is to be avoided. The ultimate "come back to haunt us" is Pedro Martinez. Paul Konerko is up there. Todd Hollandsworth, seldom. No one really remembers he was rookie of the year for us.
Werth will not come back to haunt us. Choi--possibly. Perez--more likely. If the choice is those three, I hope they keep Perez.
#37: The other reason Choi has the potential to seem a lot worse is that our best first base prospect, James Loney, is likely never going to hit for that kind of production. On the other hand, we have multiple guys in our farm system who will likely out-produce Antonio Perez.
You're correct in your assessment that Choi has the potential to come back to haunt us more than Perez, but just from watching both players all year, I'd still put my money on Perez having a better career. Choi's swing just has so many holes that I feel they'd have to start from scratch to tap his potential. Perez has a great line drive swing which won't give him perennial 20 HR power, but should be good for a .300+ average with lots of doubles plus his stolen base potential to boot.
I don't see any situation where we would win with us letting go of him. And the only situation where we would win keeping him is if we play him. So, I say (of course), just play him Tracy...
Choi with a beast of a walk. He has settled down lately and gotten on base alot. Unfortunately, he is a Two True outcomes hitter since the middle of June. I would love to see the occasional dinger out of him.
Perez's K%: 20.3%
Choi's K%: 20.9%
Dunn's K%: 26.2%
I'm trying to understand how all of these "holes" in Choi's swing correspond into actual production.
Perez projects to have a lower career batting average than Choi because he strikes out about the same amount of the time and he doesn't get to boost his average by hitting the ball where the fielders can't catch them. Also, comparing their line drive swings, here are Choi and Perez's line drive %-ages from Hardball Times:
Choi's LD%: 27.3%
Perez's LD%: 25.4%
Mike Lowell
AJ Burnett
Florida gets:
Bronson Arroyo
Kelly Shoppach
Sean Bouroughs
SD gets:
Abe Alverez
How did San Diego get Abe Alvarez out of Sean Burroughs? They must be writing a check to the Red Sox.
I could be convinced that Choi will break out one day, but I'm sticking to my guns on Perez. If that guy is merely lucky, he's been pretty consistently lucky during each of his stints with the major league team.
It is probably Old Thinking, but I love Perez's bat speed. Guys with those long, lazy swings like Choi's seem more likely to go into long slumps when that rotating lumber machine gets out of adjustment.
Alvarez (AAA): 4.67 ERA with 73 Ks, 23 BBs, and 10 HRs in 94.1 IP.
I can't believe that the Marlins made this trade. Arroyo is locked up for longer, and Shoppach is a good prospect, but this is ridiculous. I guess it frees up salary and Lowell was disappointing this year, but they downgraded at two spots. If this is an example of the horrible "seller's market" than I think the Dodgers should hold on, if AJ is worth Arroyo than Weaver is worth what? Wakefield?
Florida loses big in that deal (again). At least Ed Wade will have a place to land. I have no idea how San Diego got involved, but it is approaching Beane-level genius if he can turn Sean Burroughs into anything even approaching useful.
Bottom line is that Burnett was not going to be a Marlin next year so the Marlins had to get something for him.
Guess which Dodgers have the four highest BABIPs amongst players with more than 40 at-bats.
#1: Antonio Perez - .405 BABIP
#2: Oscar Robles - .388 BABIP
#3: Ricky Ledee - .368 BABIP
#4: Paul Bako - .357 BABIP
If you guessed the four Dodgers who have exceeded all reasonable expectations of their performance, you would be right! Place your bets on how long until the top three fall back to earth.
In 2003, Perez posted a .248 batting average in 125 at-bats with essentially all the same peripheral statistics K/AB, BB/AB, and HR/AB. His line drive %-age may have gone up a little, but the primary difference is luck. Perez strikes out way too often to be a true .300 hitter.
strike 3 to choi was low.
By Kip Wells did you mean Kris Benson? Wells didn't move last year.
Call me old-fashioned (for once), but sometimes what you see should superceded the numbers. A good example is that some people were saying that Izturis has just been unlucky lately because his BABIP is low, but from watching the games he's just not making good contact at all. Conversely, Perez seems to make hard contact every time he doesn't strike out, so to me it makes sense that a lot of those balls would fall for hits.
I agree that the strike zone appears to be exceedingly large, both up and down when we're at the plate. Home plate ump is a temporary replacement and is the guy who blew the Phillips check-swing call last night.
Hmm.
I believe that BABIP is considered to be a "luck" stat as applies to pitchers, not to hitters. Players who make harder contact should have higher BABIPs.
i'm no expert, but i believe that BABIP is generally correlated with line drive percentage in order to determine how lucky a hitter is. of course it's not an exact science determining what counts as a line drive, but i think it's supposed to give you a good idea about how lucky a hitter is.
It came down to several things:
1. You can use the same argument against several stats. Wins are severally flawed, saves can come from up to 6 runs up in the ninth with 2 out, a run can come from reaching on a fielders choice then scoring on a home run, etc.
2. The cumulative ERA for quality starts this year is 2.03, far from the 4.5 that is the bear minimum
Basically, while a quality start isn't a perfect stat, it is a better stat than most traditionally pitching stats.
As soon as I start believing in Robles, he'll go 2 for 100. It happened with Izturis. So I'll just continue to be skeptical.
"This team is without two-third of its starting outfield, the left side of its infield and its closer, and its best starting pitcher is just now off the DL after missing more than two months. It's a lost season in Chavez Ravine, and the rest of the year needs to be viewed as prep work for '06."
You got to love the fact that this journalist who makes a power ranking, doesn't know anything about the Dodgers. I am just guessing but he got most of that info second hand.
- M. Olivo singled to left center
- M. Olivo stole second, M. Olivo to third on S. Fasano's throwing error
I wouldn't have put money on either event happening. That they happened consecutively, well, makes me a bit nervous.
This is a classic situation for a Weaver meltdown!
No, I'm not sold on the Dunn trade. Too many cats sniffing around that kitty. We'd have to overpay for him, and then he'd drive us crazy by being what he is--a one dimensional player.
I'd rather try to entice Texas into overpaying for a couple of our pitchers, Jeff Weaver or Odalis Perez plus Gio Carrara or Duaner Sanchez, in exchange for one of their hard-hitting infielders.
The way Weaver is pitching lately, we can ask a lot for him, even as a rental. Texas will fall out of contention without another strong starter.
"The largest single consumer of Hennessy cognac in the world is North Korean dictator Kim Jong Il."
Combining Hennessy with Red Bull energy drink forms Crunk juice.
In 1987 merged with fashion house Louis Vuitton to create what is now the world's largest luxury goods business: LVMH.
127 - Crunk juice? Wow!
Thank you! I was blurring reality with TV.
Which I do most of the time.
"He's an exciting player, a really exciting player," West Tenn manager Bobby Dickerson said. "He loves to win. That's the biggest thing I've seen. He really enjoys winning ball games, and he always wins. Every team he's been on has made the playoffs, and three won championships."
So, he's good because he likes winning? That's nice.
We could throw in Robles if they send Blalock. Or Choi if they'll send Texiera.
I've heard that it's faster to run through first than to slide, but I've never seen any hard data either way. Some players certainly seem to think the slide is faster - Kent being one of them. That isn't the first time I've seen Kent do that.
*CHOI FACES SOUTHPAW, HITS DOUBLE
related story: temperatures in hell reach record low*
Choi's been playing a lot lately. Saenz must be injured and we just aren't hearing about it.
also, how does one do italics here?
That would be a best-case scenario. Why would we expect a best-case scenario this season?
Nice, nice catch by Repko!
I tell people to tilt their heads.
Our new goal for rest of season is to finish ahead of SF.
Alex Sanchez!
He'd be lucky to hit the ball out of the infield.
Maybe it's time to try another guy at closer but the problem is we have no one else.
Erickson closing might become a reality if this continues.
Non-Save: 19 IP, 17 ER, 8.05 ERA
He has allowed one HR in Save opportunities, but 5 in Non save in comparable innings pitched. I don't know if he is being sloppy or what, but he is definitely much better with a save on the line.
bad news: he only has one strike out. and guzman and young are not making things any easier for young edwin.
I know it's crash course but Braz did it last year.
It seems to me that this is the only thing we really all agree on. :)
hell, i dont even want broxton in the bullpen. :(
Braz (50%)
Offense (50%) Too many LOB (18 by individuals, 9 as a team)
(main culprit was Werth with 5 LOB)
Great defense and Weaver kept us in the game until Braz came in.
Formula: z-score=(runs per IP as closer-runs per IP as a non-closer)/square root of {(probability of a run scoring in an save situation inning)/IP in save situations + (probability of run scoring in a non-save inning)/IP in non-save situations). The z-score was 3.9, so that works out to a p<.01 and the difference is highly significant.
Of course, they may have looked it up on their own.
But a 4-game sweep of anybody is pretty rare. There just aren't that many 4-game series.
The Dodgers have never swept a 4-game series from the Padres in Dodger Stadium. They have in San Diego. The Padres have done it a couple of times in both cities however.
A few years ago, the Padres came here and swept four and then the Dodgers went down to San Diego and did the same thing.
3-2 2 foul offs, and then dukes took him deep to straight away center.
What we need is relievers (closers, setup, mopup, long, short, aspirins, rollaids, whatever)?
DOUBLE POST!
#269: I bet those homeruns would have been outs in Jacksonville.
what does he do? he hits into a double play, third to catcher to first. nobody scores, two out. red sox proceed to lose.
moral of the story: we do not miss alex cora.
Or something like that.
you know, frankly i don't really care who gets it, between the players and the owners. it comes out of my pocket at the ticket window either way.
vr, Xei
Some potential good news, though I have no way to verify the result. I just did a service-time analysis for Milton Bradley based on all of the transactions from MLB.com and a website source that I found (kmbumb.people.wm.edu/roster/). I matched these up with the game logs on Baseball Musings to make sure they make sense, which they do. The result is that it looks like Bradley will only have 4 years 176 days of service time after this season. If that's accurate, he wouldn't be a free agent until after the 2007 season, missing the cutoff by just 6 days! Someone should double-check this work.
Here are the relevant transactions:
July 17th, 2000: Recalled OF Milton Bradley from AAA Ottowa.
August 2nd, 2000: Optioned OF Milton Bradley to AAA Ottowa.
August 11th, 2000: Recalled OF Milton Bradley from AAA Ottowa.
October 1st, 2000: Last game of the season for Montreal Expos.
2000 Total: 67 days of service time.
April 2nd, 2001: First game of the season for Montreal Expos.
June 22nd, 2001: Optioned OF Milton Bradley to AAA Ottowa.
July 31st, 2001: Traded to Cleveland Indians for RHP Zach Day. (Oops!)
July 31st, 2001: Optioned OF Milton Bradley to AAA Buffalo.
September 10th, 2001: Recalled OF Milton Bradley from AAA Ottowa.
October 7th, 2001: Last game of the season for Cleveland Indias.
2001 Total: 109 days of service time.
2002: Full season with Indians.
2002 Total: 182 days of service time.
2003: Full season with Indians.
2003 Total: 182 days of service time.
2004: Full season with Dodgers.
2004 Total: 182 days of service time.
2005: Full season with Dodgers
2005 Total: 182 days of service time.
vr, Xei
7/17 Giants vs Jeff Weaver
Actual: 7 IPs
Colorado Blue: 6
Howard: 7
Xeifrank: 6 2/3
CT Bum: 7 1/3
Standings...
Howard 3-1-0
CT Bum 1-1-2
Xeifrank 1-1-2
Colorado Blue 1-3-0
Over a two month period pitcher A pitches in only save situations (30