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Company Loves Misery
2006-01-11 11:10
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Impressively avoiding being poisoned by the franchise's disappointments recent and ancient, Jim Caple of ESPN.com ranks the Dodgers 22nd out of 30 teams on his "MLB Misery Index."

"The Misery Index is a 60-point system that measures two types of fan misery," Caple writes, "despair (produced by losing seasons) and pain (brought on by agonizing ends to winning seasons)." The Dodgers score high on recent despair and historic pain (Bobby Thomson, 1962 and the Yankees figure in there), but all in all, a sour 2005 shouldn't prevent us from realizing that we've had it pretty good. The Giants ranked No. 5 among the miserable.

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2006-01-11 11:29:47
1.   popup
I would put Giant fans as #1 most miserable fans in major league baseball.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-01-11 11:37:45
2.   Bob Timmermann
Mets fans are the most miserable. They seem to like it that way.
2006-01-11 11:52:30
3.   Penarol1916
I think that this is just the exact same list as last year with the Cubs, White Sox, and Astros having the only updated sections.
Anyway, I've always thought that Piladelphia fans of any sport were the most miserable.
2006-01-11 12:00:52
4.   Colorado Blue
I guess Red Sox fans no longer qualify... I heard they were a miserable bunch prior to '04.
2006-01-11 12:11:35
5.   Sushirabbit
I guess it's bad if you were one of the few Expos fans-- Hey, if you're out there, I recommend moving to the US and becoming a Dodger fan.
2006-01-11 12:22:50
6.   Curtis Lowe
I truely believe that Giants fans are the most miserable, just goto about any sports bar in NorCal and you will see anti-dodger anti-LA hate campaigns strewn along the walls. Go eat anywhere with a Dodger hat on, be it a diner or a Fancy restaurant, and you will 95% of the time be hassled by the Patrons of the eatery. I no longer wear my hat out to eat due to repeated bad experience's, some including violence with certain waiters who spit in food. To me that is miserable.
2006-01-11 12:25:52
7.   Penarol1916
Well, I would think that wearing a Dodgers hat in a fancy restaurant in any city entitles you to be hassled.
2006-01-11 12:30:16
8.   Curtis Lowe
7- What would be more inappropriate wearing a hat or having messy hair? Messy hair, What I think about hats in nicer restaurants is this, you're paying high prices to eat good food and your going to leave a nice tip You have the right to wear whatever you want. If you ask me no place is too fancy for a Dodger hat.
2006-01-11 12:32:31
9.   nickb
I'd have to say my Royals ranking 15th is just about right. I enjoyed their World Series victory, but have suffered plenty ever since. Oh, how I long for the days when 83 wins was just a mediocre season...
2006-01-11 12:32:42
10.   Penarol1916
If you have a right to wear whatever you want, then why do so many nice restaurants have a dress code?
2006-01-11 12:33:59
11.   I am Ralph
Although it's painful to come up short on 13 of 14 post-season trips, I'll admit that baseball is sure a lot more fun when you're still paying close attention to your team in August & September (and October). So I guess I can go along with the Braves being so far down (as in low misery) on the misery index. Makes up for the bad joke that was the 80s.
2006-01-11 12:36:17
12.   Curtis Lowe
10- This is in Northern California that I'm talking about, as long as your not covered in street crud your able to eat just about anywhere. Even in LA I have to yet to have any problems getting into a restaurant with my hat on, regardless of class.
2006-01-11 13:05:47
13.   Marty
Ahh, to be reminded that Frisco has ZERO world series championships just makes my day.
2006-01-11 13:11:17
14.   Curtis Lowe
13-And that the Angels took it from them makes me giggle.
2006-01-11 13:11:55
15.   Penarol1916
12. I just hope to god that you are younger than 25, I can't imagine a grown man wearing a baseball hat anywhere that isn't a ballgame or a park.
2006-01-11 13:21:59
16.   Curtis Lowe
15- I follow "new school" hat rules. Old school hat restrictions are dated and wont fit into this fast paced world your generation created. Hats permitted everywhere is the new wave that my accelerating generation has brought.

Anyhow, hassling a customer because of sports team differences belongs in bars not Abruzzi's ( a chic italian eatery). It's the fact that an employee who wasnt my waiter went out of his way to interrupt my romantic evening just to say Dodgers suck, that shows how miserable some of these fans are. However I'm not too mad about because the wine ended up being free.

2006-01-11 13:23:43
17.   Penarol1916
I created a world? Wow, the things you can do at 28.
2006-01-11 13:28:41
18.   Marty
You whippersnappers. My generation took our hats off when we entered a room. And WE LIKED IT!
2006-01-11 13:33:05
19.   Curtis Lowe
Oh from your name and how you feel about hats I had the misconception that you were 90. Regardless, you obviously are on a different end of the hat spectrum, We are supposed to be telling stories and giving examples of the Giants misery and here we are arguing about acceptable times and places for baseball hats, how miserable is that?
2006-01-11 13:33:28
20.   D4P
18
Does anyone know what a "whipper" is, and how one would go about snapping it?
2006-01-11 13:35:52
21.   Curtis Lowe
20- The history behind the term "Whippersnapper" is not an acceptable topic for Dodgerthoughts.
2006-01-11 13:38:32
22.   Marty
From word-detective.com:

One might imagine that the term derives from the understandable temptation among more productive citizens to "snap a whip" at such sullen layabouts, but the whips in question actually belonged to the whippersnappers themselves. Such ne'er-do-wells were originally known as "whip snappers" in the 17th century, after their habit of standing around on street corners all day, idly snapping whips to pass the time. The term was been based on the already-existing phrase, "snipper-snapper," also meaning a worthless young man, but in any case, "whip snapper" became "whippersnapper" fairly rapidly.

2006-01-11 13:40:31
23.   Curtis Lowe
22- Oh.
2006-01-11 13:43:53
24.   Ronnie
Hat, no hat... who cares. The fact that someone would spit in your food over a hat is just as pathetic as someone who would try to make the act sound justifiable.
2006-01-11 13:48:15
25.   Sushirabbit
I hate umbrellas. Thus I wear hats, especially since the hair started to migrate. I try and follow "old school" etiquette when entering establishments that seem to require it, but, to be honest those are few and far between, plus most places no longer have a coat-rack, let alone a hat-rack. I'm with von Shiller on this one.
2006-01-11 13:49:19
26.   GoBears
My generation took our hats off when we entered a room.

Unless the room happened to be a synagogue.

2006-01-11 13:51:31
27.   Penarol1916
25. What kind of odd things are happening in California? In Chicago there are coat racks and hat racks at pretty much every dining establishment I go to.
2006-01-11 13:52:26
28.   GoBears
25 Me too. And even with the rain, the only reason I wear a hat is to keep my glasses dry. Don't really care if my hair gets wet. When they invent windshield wipers for eyeglasses, I'll wear hats less often.

Same with the sun. Even with sunglasses, the glare kills me without a hat.

But yeah, I usually doff indoors.

2006-01-11 13:54:34
29.   molokai
I love the old pictures of games at the Polo grounds with everyone wearing a hat before baseball hats even existed. Not a big fan of baseball hats but I do have a bizarre liking for the old traditional hats. Must have been born in the wrong era. Course if I still had hair I would see no need to wear a hat as skin cancer and a chilly head would not be a problem.

Back on topic it is no wonder that Giant fans hate us and are a miserable sort after all the years they finished 2nd to us going back to the old NY days. They have 1951 and 1962 to make up for it but really what does it mean when they were unable to win the whole thing. I always likened the 62 McCovey rocket at Bobby Richardson to the Lakers/Celtic game when some player won the championship in the early 60's with a shot that bounced off the rim, up it went to and then through the net for the most heartbreaking shot in Laker history. I was to young to see either but they are forever stored in the sports lore section of my brain. Ticks me off I can't think of the Celtic who made the shot. I'm sure someone here can help me out. Nelson?

2006-01-11 13:54:45
30.   Jon Weisman
27 - I'm thinking we wear fewer coats and hats. And our coats tend not to be overcoats, and therefore can go on the backs of our chairs.

Bottom line, we're just tougher than the Chicago people. We don't need no stinkin' coatracks.

2006-01-11 13:55:06
31.   King of the Hobos
If anyone was paying attention, it would appear that the White Sox finished off the Marines 4-1 in BP's simulated Battle of the Champions
2006-01-11 13:55:17
32.   GoBears
27 The odd thing about California, at least the southern part, is that it rarely rains, and is rarely cold. I wear a jacket about 10 times a year, and only at night. Never wear overcoats, parkas, gloves, scarves, or hats other than baseball caps.

I actually know women who hate LA because they don't get to wear their nice coats often enough. For some reason, I don't mind the perpetually nice weather. Just me, I guess.

2006-01-11 13:56:20
33.   Jon Weisman
29 - Does anyone remember when I asked on Dodger Thoughts when baseball fans stopped wearing fedoras and such to games? I think someone came up with a definitive answer.

Yeah, it was Don Nelson, though I thought it was the late 60s. Was that the game when Jack Kent Cooke had the balloons in the rafters?

2006-01-11 13:59:04
34.   Marty
Molokai, that Celtic who bounced the shot in was none other than Don Nelson.
2006-01-11 14:05:48
35.   Penarol1916
32. People look forward to wearing their nice coats? I look forward to putting mine away.
2006-01-11 14:06:46
36.   D4P
35
I look forward to having a nice coat...
2006-01-11 14:09:29
37.   molokai
33 34 Thanks
And yes it was that game and your right it was late 60's not early 60's.

I found it funny that someone from Chicago would ask why we don't have hat and coat racks. Doesn't he watch the Rose Bowl:)
The wind off of Lake Michigan would strip an Angeleno right to the bone without the proper LL Bean attire. I have always been frustrated that my wife bought me a great LL Bean stadium coat and never had an excuse to wear it. Finally made a trip to Chicago and was able to break it out. The ladies do look sharp in their coats.

2006-01-11 14:10:22
38.   Eric L
I actually know women who hate LA because they don't get to wear their nice coats often enough. For some reason, I don't mind the perpetually nice weather. Just me, I guess.

The complaining women just need to be perpetually cold (as in temperature, not personality) like my girlfriend. She has plenty of opportunities to wear her nice coats because she is always freaking cold.

2006-01-11 14:14:15
39.   molokai
38
So it is just not my wife:)
My wife uses the aforementioned coat to walk the dog when it is 65 degrees. I'm wearing shorts and sandals and she's bundled up like an eskimo.
2006-01-11 14:14:35
40.   jasonungar05
I went to college in the bay area and then lived up there before coming home. 1991 to 1998. It was so awesome when Piazza knocked them out of the playoffs even though they won 100 games. I think that was 93. I hate to admit it, but that was a great dodger momment for me. I took alot of flak for wearing blue up there, cause those were really lean years for us. I just reminded giant fan that when they win a WS let me know. I said anything before the Beatles don't count. LOL
2006-01-11 14:21:34
41.   Penarol1916
37. I've noticed a lot of nice articles of women's clothing, but I don't think that I've ever noticed a woman's coat, and believe you me, I've had many opportunities.

As for California not having coat and hat racks, they had them when I lived in Spain, is the weather in LA that much nicer than Madrid?

2006-01-11 14:23:41
42.   Andrew Shimmin
"A hat should be taken off when you greet a lady and left off for the rest of your life. Nothing looks more stupid than a hat." --P.J. O'Rourke, Modern Manners.
2006-01-11 14:29:31
43.   molokai
"Nothing looks worse then a bald man with skin cancer sores" -- Thomas Paine, Common Sense
2006-01-11 14:31:01
44.   Spageticus
I'm sure somebody mentioned this somewhere ... The Dodgers were supposed to have had a news conference today at 2 p.m. Was this just to introduce coaches? The Associated Press sports budget just lists it as developing. Anybody know what developed?
2006-01-11 14:31:20
45.   D4P
"Nothing looks worse than a man in a SF Giants hat" -- D4P, Dodger fan
2006-01-11 14:35:08
46.   Penarol1916
45. I think that is a sentiment everyone can agree with.
2006-01-11 14:36:24
47.   Jon Weisman
"You can dance if you want to." -- Men Without Hats
2006-01-11 14:46:52
48.   D4P
"Roam if you want to" -- B52's
2006-01-11 14:47:43
49.   bhsportsguy
OT-BTW
At the end of Fred Roggin's sportscast last night, he told us that he had a mostly off-the-record lunch with Frank McCourt yesterday, he may have talked about on his radio show yesterday, hasn't mentioned it today so far.

Anyway, he led off the commentary by saying that he has been critical of the Dodgers for the last few months but after having lunch, he said that all he could say is that his concerns about the team, finances and management has been alleviated for now. He now believes the future is bright in Dodger land.

2006-01-11 14:47:44
50.   Jon Weisman
48 - Okay, now that's just off topic. :)

What was the topic again?

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2006-01-11 14:49:41
51.   Andrew Shimmin
"When you go out on the street, wear an English silk hat, not one of the taper crowned variety popular in the 'movies.' " --Emily Post

To complete the, I'll-never-get-tired-of-this-bit circle, Alex Cora would have come up with a funnier quote.

2006-01-11 14:51:13
52.   Jon Weisman
49 - Just goes to show you, everything's better with A-1.
2006-01-11 14:51:24
53.   molokai
44
Piazza has announced he will retire and was hired to be the assistant GM, replacing Kim who has left to be the mediator over the Boston trifeca. In coming back into the Dodger fold he has announced that he will wear his "Dodger Hat" into the HOF and that he has had an empty feeling in the pit of his stomach ever since he left involuntarily. He would become the 1st Los Angeles position player to wear a Dodger hat into the HOF.

Oops, just woke up from my nap. Sorry about that dream.

2006-01-11 14:58:39
54.   D4P
50
Oh right, hats. How's this one:

"I hate the f***ing Hat matrix" -- D4P, statistics student.

2006-01-11 15:02:38
55.   Peanuts in My Shoes
OT, but related to lists. Should make Bob happy:

Excellent Careers for 2006
By Marty Nemko
U.S. News & World Report
http://biz.yahoo.com/special/job06_article1.html

Librarian. This is an underrated career. Most librarians enjoy helping patrons dig up information. They learn in the process and keep up to date on the latest books and online resources. The need for librarians, unfortunately, may decline because search engines make it easy for patrons to find information without a librarian's help. The job growth for librarians will be in nontraditional settings: corporations, nonprofit organizations, and consulting firms.

2006-01-11 15:04:16
56.   deburns
29 Phil, I was in law school at the time watching the Giants/Yankees WS when McCovey hit that lightning bolt of a drive. The crowd roared, everybody in front of me leaped up, and I knew the game was decided, but did not know how until people sat down. Frustrating for a time, but glad the Giants lost. Even to the Yankees. Too bad they both could not have lost.
2006-01-11 15:17:02
57.   Andrew Shimmin
53- Sounds good. Except, instead of displacing Ng, I think there's an even better job for him. Lasorda's.
2006-01-11 15:22:16
58.   Vishal
what's wrong with messy hair?? i have messy hair. it rules.
2006-01-11 15:23:50
59.   molokai
56
Isn't that why we love the game? Of all the sports baseball is the most hearbreaking and heartwarming all determined by one lousy inch on every play.
2006-01-11 15:24:20
60.   molokai
I wish I had hair to be messy:)
2006-01-11 15:37:10
61.   jasonungar05
39 did i write that? that is so funny, and true. My wife is like you dont even own any regular shoes do u? nope. I got work shoes and flip flops. I probably have some vans slip ons from the 80's somewhere.

I have nice flip flops (tommy bahamas) mid range flip flops (quicksilver) and cheapies. I own no pants anymore except for work and one pair in case of emergancy. (khakis)

It's shorts the rest of the way.

Somewhere in her little cube, my wife is freezing right now.

2006-01-11 15:43:34
62.   Sam DC
Well, it's a good thing you've got the Tommy Bahamas in case you get invited to the White House.
2006-01-11 15:46:53
63.   D4P
61
The best purchase I've ever made is my pair of Chakos from REI. They're much sturdier and easier to walk in than flip flops, though you miss out on the fun "flip" noise.
2006-01-11 15:48:58
64.   bhsportsguy
59 - It's true, the wins are nice but something about being close is what keeps you coming out to the ballpark. I remember being happy in 1981 because the team of my youth, 1970's Dodgers of Garvey, Cey, et. al. had finally won and beat the Yankees too. But were it not for the close calls in '77, '78, the 3 game sweep of the Astros in 1980 only to lose when Dave "Freaking" Goltz pitched instead of Fernando in the playoff game(Still a little bitter lol), I would not have the passion for the game I have now and forever.
2006-01-11 16:05:42
65.   Brendan
43
"A hat should be taken off when you greet a lady and left off for the rest of your life. Nothing looks more stupid than a hat." --P.J. O'Rourke, Modern Manners.

Have you ever seen P.J. O'Rourke? He has more hair than a five year old before his fist hair cut. He has two heads of hair. Easy for him to say that about hats. Now if you pulled out a Yule Brenner quote on hats you might have convinced me.

2006-01-11 16:17:41
66.   Nagman
47 my college intramural softball team was called "Men Without Bats"...

I would've expected the Dodgers to be higher (lower?) in the misery rankings but maybe I've been hanging around here too long. :-)

2006-01-11 16:40:17
67.   Andrew Shimmin
65- He has got a lot of hair. And it's ironic that he titled a book "Age and Guile Beat Youth and a Bad Haircut", considering the quality of his 'do. It's like he's had an English prep school barber imported to New Hampshire. The weird, too-long, unbald comb-over thing that Chris Hitchens and Martin Amis have, too. I can't remember ever thinking so much about men's hair, much less making such thoughts public, as I have in this thread.

To reclaim my manhood, here's a link to what may be the funniest essay in the English language from the last century, O'Rourke's High Speed Performance Characteristics of Pickup Trucks:

http://rinkworks.com/rinkforum/messages/8087.shtml

2006-01-11 16:52:21
68.   molokai
64
I remember doing some research on that sweep as it is one of my Dodger highlights and for years I felt the same way as you about Fernando. However I found that Fernando had pitched two innings on Friday night and it would have been wrong to have him start on Monday with two days rest at his age. I still make a reflex choking sound when Goltz is mentioned.
2006-01-11 17:00:14
69.   mcrawford
54 --
Sweet! A hat matrix reference! I actually laughed out loud. Snorted, really, I guess.
2006-01-11 17:15:43
70.   Linkmeister
45 46

Alas!
http://tinyurl.com/9tb6s

2006-01-11 17:24:55
71.   GoBears
61 Oy vey. I cannot WAIT until flip-flops fall out of style. They have their uses, but I don't think that means they should be ubiquitous. They offend/amuse me on many levels. First, I laugh a lot that my students (to say nothing of their middle aged mothers) spend $20 - $50 on an item that cost $1-$3 before it became trendy. I know there are fancier styles, but the basic flip-flop has increased in price 10-20 times. Funny. Especially since I don't have kids who demand them.

I also love watching students scurry across campus, late for class or whatever, trying to run in those things, and falling on their faces. Really funny, and surprisingly frequent.

OTOH, I'm sick of looking at dirty feet. At least most of the girls have the good taste to get pedicures, but the guys are just stank.

I also wonder how many car accidents are attributable to those damn things.

But all of that is minor, compared to my biggest pet peeve. Students, especially women, who come to class wearing those things, and often precious little else, and then complain that the classroom is too cold. Or even having the chutzpah to get up and adjust the thermostat up to 80 or so. My response is "me professor...me control room temperature....you put some freakin' clothes on, or stop whining...." Or something like that. The best variation on this theme is about this time of year, when it's cooler, and girls come to class wearing hats, scarves, gloves, sweaters or parkas... and flip-flops. And they actually wonder why they're still cold. Makes me feel old and sad. I fear for the future of the species.

Yours truly,
-Professor Curmudgeon

2006-01-11 17:32:27
72.   D4P
71
Good stuff. Flip flops aside, are you happy with your career choice?
2006-01-11 17:38:47
73.   Linkmeister
71 I was a work-study student in my alma mater's Registrar's office for a while. After a particularly hectic day during one semester's registration, the Registrar (a truly charming, competent woman in her 40s) looked around and, not addressing anyone directly, said: "It'd be a great place to work if it weren't for the students."

Cracked us all up.

2006-01-11 17:45:43
74.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 71

We don't have that problem where I teach at the Naval Academy. =)

WWSH

2006-01-11 17:50:38
75.   GoBears
72 Sure, but the flip-flops are killing me a little each day.

Funny story. I was approaching the elevators of my building, and saw a kid in front of me, heading the same way. He was holding his cell phone in one hand, jabbering away, and his pants in the other, because otherwise, they'd have fallen to the ground ("sagging," the kids call it). And scooting along in his F-Fs, because his pants were low enough to interfere between the flop and the heel. Or was it the flip? Anyway, he got up to the elevator, only to realize that he was out of hands, and couldn't push the button. I'd caught up by now (walking in normal shoes and hands-free pants), and could easily have reached and hit the button myself, but I was curious. He made several false moves toward the button, trying to hit it with the elbow of the pants-hand, then with the elbow of the phone-hand, then with a knee, but the crotch of his pants was so low as to preclude raising of said knee, all to no avail. Eventually, he figured it out, and ended his phone call. It was all I could do to hold my bladder.

Is it contradictory to fear for the future of the species and simultaneously wish that evolution would just hurry the hell up? I'm betting his SAT score was 1550.

2006-01-11 17:58:37
76.   D4P
75
What kind of "professor" shoes do you wear?
2006-01-11 18:19:14
77.   GoBears
76 All I'm gonna say is that they cover my toes and don't fly off at moderate speeds.
2006-01-11 18:22:47
78.   D4P
I was told by one of the faculty members on my committee that Berkeley has some kind of housing stipend for faculty. Is that true?
2006-01-11 18:26:17
79.   GoBears
78. Could be. The UCs in general have housing assistance (below-market ARMs) that you can use once in your career. But down-payment assistance would be a negotiable item in your compensation package. It's not automatic. Depends how badly they, and others, want to hire you. Still, the housing assistance only makes buying a house conceivable, not easy. The cap on the max size of the loan is no longer high enough to buy even small houses in LA or the Bay Area. Riverside, maybe. Merced....
2006-01-11 18:26:45
80.   molokai
75
If I was a SNL writer I'd make a skit about that ASAP.
2006-01-11 18:33:42
81.   D4P
79
Have you taught anywhere else?
2006-01-11 18:46:23
82.   Eric L
79 I'm not even sure that Riverside is "affordable" anymore.
2006-01-11 19:46:36
83.   das411
Joe Thurston sighting!!

http://tinyurl.com/9gg46

2006-01-11 20:09:50
84.   Steve
Having lost out on the Bret Boone sweepstakes, Charlie Manuel cheers at having someone else to put ahead of Chase Utley on the depth chart.
2006-01-11 20:15:38
85.   das411
Don't worry Steve, maybe you can still talk Stand Pat into trading Utley and Abreu for Derek Lowe and Eric Gagne.

. . .

58 , 60 - Ah, but do you guys have messy beards?

2006-01-11 20:25:38
86.   Steve
Where do we sign?

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