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Oldies in the Outfield
2006-03-31 17:27
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Tonight's game

Tonight's weather

* * *

I have to say, Tim Salmon could be one of the better stories in baseball this year. At least, I'm rooting for him to be.

We know all about the Dodger outfield, but that Angel outfield isn't exactly the youngest or healthiest in baseball, either. Come to think of it, all four three-or-more-worded California teams are tender in the grass.

Anyway ...

Welcome home, team.

Comments (232)
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2006-03-31 17:43:18
1.   Bob Timmermann
If the ground is the least bit wet, I think Messrs. Drew and Lofton will be safely in the dugout.

Let Repko and Ross run around in the mud. They're expendable!

2006-03-31 17:45:42
2.   sanchez101
Is tonights game on TV?
2006-03-31 17:48:46
3.   Bob Timmermann
Apparently, it's an Angels telecast on Channel 13.

Physioc and Hudler for everybody!

2006-03-31 18:00:11
4.   sanchez101
... a little good news, a little bad news ...
2006-03-31 18:03:54
5.   Rich Lederer
1 - Lofton isn't expendable?
2006-03-31 18:05:22
6.   scareduck
The Angels outfield may be old, but IMO it opens the door for some better players to come up and contribute, particularly Erstad.
2006-03-31 18:11:54
7.   sanchez101
Repko and Erstad would make a pretty mean CF platoon ...
2006-03-31 18:22:54
8.   natepurcell
so i just came across repkos myspace. lol.
2006-03-31 18:26:08
9.   heato
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it, or even cares, but the Mariners returned Luis Gonzalez.

http://tinyurl.com/k7sm7

2006-03-31 18:29:36
10.   natepurcell
carrying over the conversation from the last thread, the most famous person from my high school is probably Carson Palmer.
2006-03-31 18:45:07
11.   Eric Enders
I haven't made it over to the other thread yet... but the most famous person from my high school is probably Jack Handey of SNL fame.

Either him or Butch Henry, who posted the second-best ERA in MLB in 1994.

2006-03-31 18:54:38
12.   Brendan
10

Santa Marg Eagles, Nate?

Most famous from my high school is a guy named Tiger Woods who just beats out Andy Messersmith.

2006-03-31 18:56:26
13.   natepurcell
yea i went to santa margarita.

go eagles!.... i guess.

2006-03-31 19:03:41
14.   Brendan
13

Santa Margarita and I think a new catholic school(Juniper?maybe I don't know the name) are taking a big bite out of Mater Dei football. I guess all sports eventually.

2006-03-31 19:07:16
15.   natepurcell
yea junipero serra or something, the one down in san juan.
2006-03-31 19:08:44
16.   natepurcell
from dodgers.com notes regarding cruz:

He was a steal last year, but not much was expected. As with Garciaparra, nobody's predicting a return to 30-homer seasons. But until Joel Guzman is ready or somebody like Kevin Mench is acquired, whatever Cruz can provide will be needed.

huh? is kevin mench really an upgrade over cruz?

2006-03-31 19:19:20
17.   Steve
I wish I had 10 Kevin Menches on my team. His blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah vomit blah productive outs blah yadda yadda nonsense blah blah spew spew heart and soul blah blah yadda yadda.
2006-03-31 19:20:52
18.   King of the Hobos
Looks like Beane thought he needed more starting depth. Freddie Bynum to Chicago, Juan Dominguez to Oakland, and John Koronka, John Rheinecker, and a PTBNL (from the Cubs) to Texas. Saarloos, Kennedy, Gaudin, Halsey, and Dominguez are likely better than a few other rotations (Kansas City, Tampa Bay, etc.)

In Dodger affairs, I'm sure we're all waiting with bated breath for the result of the Ross situation

2006-03-31 19:28:42
19.   dsfan
Anyone out there know where to find minor-league ballpark factors for the last few years, and if not for that long, 2005?
2006-03-31 19:31:28
20.   King of the Hobos
19

http://tinyurl.com/8naco

2006-03-31 19:34:35
21.   overkill94
Hahaha, Hudler just said Weaver brings a bulldog mentality and leadership, gotta love these guys.
2006-03-31 19:34:57
22.   D4P
Any luck opening the Gameday link? Mine gets to 29%, then konks out.
2006-03-31 19:35:37
23.   natepurcell
wish this game was on mlb.tv
2006-03-31 19:39:46
24.   Steve
Mute button.
2006-03-31 19:41:05
25.   CanuckDodger
The most famous person from my high school (to me, anyway) is the Twins' Justin Morneau.

During the WBC, my mom said to me, "Hey, you know who I saw playing baseball for Canada on TV the other day? That Morneau boy. I remember when you used to play against him in Little League. You used to strike him out all the time." My reply: "Mom, I'm pretty sure I didn't play against Justin Morneau, let alone strike him out all the time. I'm 12 years older than him. Depending on which stage of my Little League days your remembering, Morneau was either in a crib somewhere, in his mother's belly, or was just a twinkle in his father's eye." Aren't moms great?

2006-03-31 19:43:00
26.   D4P
I'm up to 58%...!
2006-03-31 19:44:59
27.   Steve
Jose Lima may not go to AAA, but not for the Mets not asking him to.
2006-03-31 19:45:18
28.   LAT
Looking at that rain, I'm glad I gave my tickets to the parking guys in my office.
2006-03-31 19:46:09
29.   LAT
SB. . .its like last season never ended.
2006-03-31 19:46:56
30.   Brendan
great throw by Navarro though
2006-03-31 19:47:49
31.   Brendan
walk, stolen base, ground out to 1st base....you just know GA will Sac fly him in.
2006-03-31 19:48:14
32.   King of the Hobos
29 it was close, I thought Figgins was out. But the tag may have just missed him. Way closer than last year

Cabrera with the Olney.

2006-03-31 19:48:55
33.   King of the Hobos
32 I'm sorry, was I suppose to call him ODog? Just a slip, I'll make sure to call him ODog from now on
2006-03-31 19:50:12
34.   King of the Hobos
33 Or is it OCab? I mix up all the middle infielder O-somethings. I guess Hudson is ODog
2006-03-31 19:51:27
35.   Brendan
The return of the light blue outfield wall is a great.
2006-03-31 19:52:19
36.   D4P
35
They brought the light blue outfield back? That makes me happy. I never liked the dark blue. Did they get rid of the murals (which I also didn't like)?
2006-03-31 19:52:32
37.   Brendan
32

tag was to the front of the bag and Figgins slid to the back of the base.

2006-03-31 19:52:45
38.   LAT
Kent is going to kick Lucille II's butt not going to the bag. Remember he hates when infielders, like big 1Bman are out of position.
2006-03-31 19:53:10
39.   overkill94
32 I thought he was out too, but then the replay showed that Kent was a bit slow on the tag.

Erstad professionally hit the heck out of that one!

2006-03-31 19:53:15
40.   natepurcell
victort! gameday is now working.
2006-03-31 19:53:27
41.   Brendan
36

Yes they did. It looks freaking great. memories.

2006-03-31 19:53:33
42.   LAT
36. Replaced them with ads.
2006-03-31 19:54:19
43.   Brendan
yes murals gone but it looks like there are ads on the wall though. i'll update as I see it.
2006-03-31 19:54:31
44.   natepurcell
for those watching, how does odalis look? still fat?
2006-03-31 19:55:28
45.   Bob Timmermann
Odalis Perez has lost a lot of weight.
2006-03-31 19:55:42
46.   LAT
The good news for OP is that with Weaver pitching he might get an HR when he's up.
2006-03-31 19:56:13
47.   D4P
42,43
Ugh...

Blank light blue walls >>> Dark blue walls with murals >>> Light blue walls with ads

But, I guess $11/yr contracts for 40-yr old 2nd basemen don't pay for themselves.

2006-03-31 19:56:55
48.   sanchez101
holly repko!
2006-03-31 19:57:02
49.   Brendan
4445

It might just be the hair cut. repko inside the park HR standing.

2006-03-31 19:57:23
50.   LAT
lead off ITPHR
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2006-03-31 19:57:31
51.   PennyJavy
Just Repko being Repko
2006-03-31 19:57:44
52.   Bob Timmermann
That's got to be a 2B-E7.
2006-03-31 19:58:00
53.   LAT
That should send Weaver over the edge
2006-03-31 19:58:47
54.   overkill94
It's hard to pick up a ball in the corner when your back is about to fall off.
2006-03-31 19:58:54
55.   LAT
Nice to see Weaveris still Weaver
2006-03-31 19:59:04
56.   dsfan
20 thanks
2006-03-31 20:00:56
57.   Bob Timmermann
I really hope the Angels don't wear these solid red shirts in the regular season. They are hideous.
2006-03-31 20:00:57
58.   natepurcell
what just happened? gameday is probably about 20 minutes slow.
2006-03-31 20:01:02
59.   overkill94
55 According to the scouting report that Hudler seemed to have made up out of thin air, Weaver is "mentally tough" and has leadership.
2006-03-31 20:01:34
60.   Brendan
it looks like 4 ads in the power alleys. no ads in center field. the LA logo in white between the ads. I like this better than the dark blue.
2006-03-31 20:02:12
61.   Bob Timmermann
I don't think the official scorer has ruled on Repko's hit.

Repko came around to score on his hit, but I can't believe it will be ruled an HR.

Anderson should have stopped the ball. Repko did not hit the ball particularly hard.

2006-03-31 20:02:57
62.   natepurcell
well my gameday has just struck out kotchman on a foul tip. so its still lagging.
2006-03-31 20:03:01
63.   Bob Timmermann
There's an error on the board, so no HR for Repko.
2006-03-31 20:03:09
64.   PennyJavy
57. I don't think they will. Those are their Spring Training Jerseys no?
2006-03-31 20:03:38
65.   LAT
Hudler just said it was 2B and error.
2006-03-31 20:04:43
66.   LAT
They were wearing those jerseys last weekend in AZ.
2006-03-31 20:10:13
67.   natepurcell
so kent is batting .189 this spring.

wasnt there someone hear trying to justify his contract saying how good he looked this spring?

2006-03-31 20:11:47
68.   natepurcell
hear= here. oops
2006-03-31 20:16:20
69.   Jon Weisman
My god, Perez looks like Slimfast Lasorda. Which is to say, noticeably and no doubt temporarily thinner.
2006-03-31 20:18:55
70.   overkill94
You can't stop Repko, you can only hope to contain him.
2006-03-31 21:04:13
71.   Ken Arneson
test
2006-03-31 21:06:00
72.   Bob Timmermann
Test???
2006-03-31 21:06:09
73.   Uncle Miltie
5-3, Gagne is pathetic (without the roids?)
2006-03-31 21:08:23
74.   Bob Timmermann
Well, we know that Gagne can't pitch well in tie games and/or it's not the ninth inning....

(ducks and runs)

2006-03-31 21:08:56
75.   overkill94
Gagne's not looking too good tonight, I'm starting to get quite worried. His fastball's still only hitting 91 and his command's not what it usually is. I don't know if his fastball's gonna regain its punch, but if it doesn't he's gonna have to utilize his change-up more and have better command of his fastball.

My prediction is that he'll struggle for the first month or two, probably sitting with an ERA in the high 3's or low 4's but then will finally adjust to his weaker fastball and become semi-dominant again, posting a mid 2's ERA the rest of the way. Final line will look something like 3.00 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 37 saves, 72 IP, 95 K's.

Then again, if he does regain the velocity on his fastball then he could put up another classic line with insane strikeout numbers and very few blown saves. As always, health could throw everything out the window, which is something else that is a concern.

2006-03-31 21:08:56
76.   D4P
As I tried to say a half hour ago:

You can't contain Repko, you can only hope to boot him off the roster.

2006-03-31 21:08:59
77.   Steve
Navarro isn't really going to hit second in real-life is he? We're just having a little fun here. Right? Right...? Ri......
2006-03-31 21:09:14
78.   LAT
Maybe the Baez trade isn't so bad after all.
This is the first I have heard of the ruptured eardrum. Is that new or did I miss it.
2006-03-31 21:09:46
79.   oldbear
So is Nomar (without the roids?)
2006-03-31 21:10:03
80.   Steve
Gagne just needs to get back his SWAGGER
2006-03-31 21:10:17
81.   D4P
Just when you thought the Dodgers couldn't possibly have any more shortstops...

Dodgers acquired infielder Wilson Valdez from the Royals for RHP Jarod Plummer.
The 27-year-old Valdez is just added Triple-A depth. He's a quality defensive shortstop, but he just can't hit. Plummer, 22, was a 26th-round pick in 2002. He divided last year between A-ball teams and had a 3.87 ERA in 83 2/3 innings. Mar. 31 - 11:59 pm et

- Rotoworld

2006-03-31 21:10:47
82.   overkill94
Man, Drew is stroking the ball tonight (except for that last broken bat dribbler), hopefully he has learned how to take inside pitches off his back instead of his wrist this year.
2006-03-31 21:11:10
83.   regfairfield
77 If he puts up a .354 OBP again, I have no problem with that.
2006-03-31 21:11:40
84.   oldbear
Navarro will start to hit again once Russ Martin is optioned to AAA. Russ is just putting too much pressure on him by simply being on the same bench.

Or Navarro is just in a really really bad slump to begin the year...?

2006-03-31 21:12:51
85.   Steve
No. No OPS of .680 hitting second. Absolutely not. Of course, I feel the same way about Lofton.
2006-03-31 21:14:06
86.   Steve
Heck if Repko is going to hit .330/.500/.650 then he can bat second.
2006-03-31 21:14:18
87.   D4P
How can someone question Navarro in the 2 spot while ignoring Repko in the 1?
2006-03-31 21:14:41
88.   Bob Timmermann
Ruptured or perforated eardrums usually heal themselves in a few weeks. It's possible Gagne was flying with a cold of some kind and screwed up one of his ears that way.
2006-03-31 21:14:47
89.   LAT
Nomar sure isn't too fast.
2006-03-31 21:16:46
90.   King of the Hobos
81 We needed someone to play SS for Vegas. My problem is giving up Plummer, a perfectly good pitching prospect, even if he just projects to middle relief. I'm not familiar with his scouting report, but I see nothing wrong with a 22 yr old with a 8+ K/9 and 4 K/BB ratio, even if he hasn't been to AA yet
2006-03-31 21:17:07
91.   Steve
I actually think maybe Grady wants to get him an extra at-bat or something. Nothing is for real until opening day.
2006-03-31 21:17:12
92.   Bob Timmermann
Chone Figgins is not the second coming of Brooks Robinson at third base.
2006-03-31 21:17:39
93.   natepurcell
im not a real fan of all these nomar gagne steroid accusations
2006-03-31 21:17:41
94.   Icaros
Perhaps Eric Gagne is pitching poorly due to a low disrespect threshold.
2006-03-31 21:17:55
95.   overkill94
89 Call it PTGS (post-torn groin syndrome)
2006-03-31 21:18:38
96.   D4P
"Winning teams need guys like Bill Mueller, on and off the field."

Thank you Charlie Steiner.

2006-03-31 21:18:54
97.   Steve
Moving Guzman to left has caused a chain reaction through the organization causing mass chaos. This catastrophe could have been avoided by allowing Joel the Destroyer to fulfill the purpose to which he was born.
2006-03-31 21:20:43
98.   Bob Timmermann
There's only one ESPN writer who thinks UCLA will win:

Skip Bayless.

Of all the people, why did it have to be him?

It's like running for office and getting an endorsement from Lyndon Larouche.

2006-03-31 21:20:50
99.   oldbear
Dodgers acquired infielder Wilson Valdez from the Royals for RHP Jarod Plummer

In some dark, smoke filled Las Vegas nite spot, Jimmy Rohan sits at the end of the bar. The down on his luck AAA shortstop, ponders aimlessly as the bartender pours one final shot out...

2006-03-31 21:20:53
100.   Curtis Lowe
97- Would that purpose be an Evvvil purpose?
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2006-03-31 21:22:31
101.   natepurcell
jimmy rohan isnt AAA shortstop though. he played most of the yr last yr at vero.
2006-03-31 21:23:43
102.   Bob Timmermann
Eventually, Physioc and Hudler will tell the people that Kuo is in to pitch.
2006-03-31 21:24:09
103.   natepurcell
i have a columbus catfish VHS from last year of a game where plummer pitched.

he looks like a pitching version of brian cook. Meaning, tall, unathletic and does one thing well (throws strikes).

2006-03-31 21:24:27
104.   Curtis Lowe
Why is the Angels Superstar returning from injury doing better than the Dodgers superstar returning from injury?
2006-03-31 21:24:34
105.   LAT
The fan caught Salmon's HR in his hat. Nice play
2006-03-31 21:25:21
106.   overkill94
What's with Kuo? His fastball seems to have no life tonight, wasn't he hitting 95+ last year? I'd hate to hear that he's hurt again.
2006-03-31 21:25:32
107.   LAT
102. I wtoo as wondering how long it would take
2006-03-31 21:25:58
108.   LAT
or

I too was wondering. . .

2006-03-31 21:26:03
109.   oldbear
Winning teams need guys like Bill Mueller, on and off the field

Forgetting the subject of the sentence, this begs the question:

What do "winning" teams do off the field?

Is it different from what a "losing" team does off the field?

Perplexing.

2006-03-31 21:27:08
110.   overkill94
109 Just ask the Vikings
2006-03-31 21:27:31
111.   LAT
Listening to Rex you'd think Salmon's HR was 500+ feet. Get over it Rex.
2006-03-31 21:28:53
112.   natepurcell
winning teams commit lewd sexual acts on a boat in the middle of lake in minnesota.

they also fly in strippers from across the country.

2006-03-31 21:29:18
113.   natepurcell
turiaf is an animal!
2006-03-31 21:29:24
114.   Curtis Lowe
Winning teams get to have pizza parties?
2006-03-31 21:33:23
115.   King of the Hobos
Scout.com did a top 54 prospects, obviously being forced to dig deep to find names (Brian Myrow made the list). Jarod Plummer did not appear on that list. I'm guessing the description Nate gave is 100% accurate, and he's just not viewed as much of a prospect. Still, he has to be more valuable than Wilson Valdez. Where's Canuck?
2006-03-31 21:34:47
116.   Jon Weisman
Jarod Plummer, Vero Beach/GCL Dodgers/Columbus, 6-5, 200, 1/27/84: In the second half of the season, went to Columbus to be a starting pitcher, and struck out 49 in 54 innings with a 4.14 ERA – walking only six! As a reliever in Vero Beach, his ERA was 3.20 with similar K rations. Sleeper?

http://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/255142.html

2006-03-31 21:35:38
117.   D4P
Still, he has to be more valuable than Wilson Valdez.

I would have to think so as well. The probability of Plummer contributing in the major leagues must be greater than 0, while Valdez appears to have no chance.

2006-03-31 21:36:20
118.   Uncle Miltie
Dodgers acquired infielder Wilson Valdez from the Royals for RHP Jarod Plummer
I thought you were joking around oldbear. I feel sick. Valdez has been on waivers a bunch of times. Ned truly is a moron.
2006-03-31 21:36:59
119.   D4P
116
Jarod and I have the same birthday! Except I'm 10 years older...
2006-03-31 21:38:49
120.   sanchez101
osoria's fastball looks great
2006-03-31 21:39:09
121.   overkill94
118 If we regret this at all in our lifetime, I will shave every hair off my body.
2006-03-31 21:43:11
122.   overkill94
JDtD
2006-03-31 21:43:14
123.   King of the Hobos
Drew needs to save some of this for Monday. We don't need another start like last year with him
2006-03-31 21:44:31
124.   D4P
Monday just pointed out that Drew has been first-pitch swinging a lot lately.

"We swing 0-0 here."

2006-03-31 21:45:25
125.   King of the Hobos
I realize the Angels guys need to nickname every Angels player, but do they need to name the pitches? What advantage does "splitty" have over splitter?
2006-03-31 21:48:25
126.   Jon Weisman
The Padres' big acquisition, Mike Cameron, is ailing in a critical part (MLB.com).

Jose Lima decided to go to AAA after all (Newsday).

88 - "Closer Eric Gagne had an infection of his inner and outer left ear and was being treated with antibiotics. The original diagnosis was a puncture of the eardrum, but that was revised on further examination. Gagne entered in the fifth inning and Garret Anderson homered on his third pitch. Gagne yielded a second run in the inning." (MLB.com)

2006-03-31 21:49:19
127.   LAT
Wow look at the chemistry. Everyone got up to congradulate Nomar when he got to the dugout. Its gonna be a great year. (sarcasim)
2006-03-31 21:49:36
128.   sanchez101
125. ya, thats one of the reasons i cant be an angel fan.
2006-03-31 21:57:06
129.   LAT
Please disregard my 78 above.
2006-03-31 21:57:54
130.   the OZ
126 What? Mike Cameron's anterior scrapiculus is broken? Or does he have Viral Scrapticulitis?
2006-03-31 22:01:09
131.   Jon Weisman
130 - Maybe he has vitas gerulaitis.
2006-03-31 22:01:17
132.   overkill94
Baez's splitter is pretty nasty. Fastball's a bit straight though, he's gotta hit the spots to be really effective.

I really like Osoria. He seems to fit into the classic setup man mold (like Quantrill): throws strikes, has good movement, induces ground balls. I wouldn't be surprised if he's our 7th inning guy before too long.

2006-03-31 22:01:25
133.   LAT
Let's call this game before anyone, even a scrub, gets hurt. I know its a new season but DJ Houlton coming out of the Rox bullpen is still fresh in my mind.
2006-03-31 22:01:27
134.   Bob Timmermann
If this were a regular season game and the game was called now, it would be suspended.
2006-03-31 22:02:04
135.   Bob Timmermann
133

Wunsch

2006-03-31 22:02:32
136.   Icaros
I love Phil Jackson.
2006-03-31 22:03:04
137.   whitetiger
Here's my professional opinion on some of what I saw tonight

It's really nice to see that uniform number 5 playing first base doesn't have a guy named Choi inside of it
Nomar looks like he pulls off the ball at the plate though – I want to see him drive the ball to right more

Gagne looks really flat. Fastest pitch I saw was 90 and it didn't get by anyone. Without a 94 mph fastball it looks like guys can sit more on the splitter. Weaver was throwing as hard as him in the 5th inning. I really hope Eric's still recovering from surgery and not going downhill after not being able to juice anymore – no accusations here, just hope.

Mueller looks awkward at the plate and at third. I think he doesn't have much in the way of fast twitch muscles. I guess he's a professional hitter though and he gets the job done.

JD Drew looks really good with his stroke. They should drop him into a full body ice whirlpool after games to make sure he doesn't pull any muscles. I wrote these sentences before he hit a home run and now I think he looks even better. He has a short compact swing that generates a lot of bat speed – real good mechanics at the plate.

Repko's a player – he's a really good fourth outfielder and he'll get a ton of time with Lofton on the team – that's a good platoon.

I like Odalis – I think he's the second coming of Tom Glavine – he should watch all the film of Glavine he can to see how to make 5 million a year without ever throwing above 87 or below 79.

2006-03-31 22:03:10
138.   the OZ
131 So, you're saying he died of carbon monoxide poisoning?
2006-03-31 22:04:36
139.   LAT
135. I guess its not so "fresh" after all. I hate when I get stuff like that wrong.
2006-03-31 22:04:40
140.   Jon Weisman
Physioc is glad we had a lot of rain this month because of the drought here for the past few years. Hmm ...
2006-03-31 22:06:59
141.   overkill94
140 Oh yeah, last year was drier than Oscar Wilde.
2006-03-31 22:07:23
142.   overkill94
dryer? how the hell do you spell that one?
2006-03-31 22:07:52
143.   Curtis Lowe
So is there a final score?
2006-03-31 22:08:20
144.   Cornell Blue Fan
Natepurcell,

I also graduated from SM. Don't forget Chris Rix also went to SM. It's a shame he never panned out though. What year did you graduate?

2006-03-31 22:08:57
145.   Bob Timmermann
They haven't called the game just yet. They said they will wait 15 minutes (about 10 now).
2006-03-31 22:09:11
146.   King of the Hobos
143 Game hasn't been called yet. Decision in 15 minutes
2006-03-31 22:09:37
147.   LAT
If the rain is moving from the west to the east it won't stop raining in 15 mins at DS. Its comming down pretty good where I am in West LA.
2006-03-31 22:09:42
148.   Icaros
I remember moving to Southern California in 1994 and being really depressed when I found out that Steve Physioc was the voice of the Rams.
2006-03-31 22:10:17
149.   tjshere
Great vamping on the telecast. I couldn't help but laugh when Hudler delivered the line, "....the grass is beautiful."
2006-03-31 22:11:35
150.   Cornell Blue Fan
Physioc and I work out at the same gym back in So Cal...ha ha
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2006-03-31 22:13:14
151.   CanuckDodger
115 -- King, after we took Plummer in the 26th round of the 2002 draft he was very effective in Rookie ball, throwing a fastball that was 92-93 with three other pitches. But he broke his right hand in the off-season and ended up spending most of 2003 on the DL. Then he spent most of the 2004 season on the DL with shoulder problems. I don't know why he missed half the 2005 season, but it is a safe bet that some part of him was under a doctor's care, and when he did pitch his velocity was not what it was when he was in Rookie ball in 2002. If the Dodgers want to throw Plummer away now for junk like Valdez, it wouldn't be going too far out on a limb to speculate that Plummer is still hurting somewhere on his body. So it probably isn't a loss worth worry about. And we did need some warm body to play SS at Vegas, I suppose.
2006-03-31 22:14:57
152.   overkill94
I love how George used to be such less of a loser than he became. Real estate agent? Stock tip beneficiary? Who woulda thunk.
2006-03-31 22:15:58
153.   King of the Hobos
151 Thanks for the response, that seems to be a good enough reason
2006-03-31 22:17:49
154.   Steve
The last image I needed in my head before going to bed was of Hudler "vamping." Or Physioc working out.
2006-03-31 22:18:34
155.   the OZ
Wow. John Kruk's hair might look worse now than it did in the mullet days.
2006-03-31 22:26:44
156.   Steve
Going from Hudler to Kruk is more than most mortals can fathom. I salute you, Sir.
2006-03-31 22:26:52
157.   Jon Weisman
147 - Yeah, it's pouring here.
2006-03-31 22:29:26
158.   LAT
I am already worn out by the Bonds talk and the season hasn't even started.
2006-03-31 22:29:40
159.   Bob Timmermann
It's not raining particularly hard at all in South Pasadena.

It has not yet reached "cow pissing on a rock" stage, as my father would say.

2006-03-31 22:33:39
160.   Steve
Do we still technically have twelve pitchers, or can we just not count Perez?
2006-03-31 22:36:25
161.   King of the Hobos
Anyone notice that Frank Thomas got the start at SS today for the A's? I'm sure you can all guess the number of innings he played there
2006-03-31 22:39:29
162.   natepurcell
I also graduated from SM. Don't forget Chris Rix also went to SM. It's a shame he never panned out though. What year did you graduate?

i graduated in 04, how about you?

2006-03-31 22:41:48
163.   LAT
Have they offically called the game yet?
(I changed the channel. I'm one of the 11 people in the US that don't care for Seinfeld. Heresy, I know.)
2006-03-31 22:45:41
164.   Jon Weisman
Yes, according to Gameday.
2006-03-31 22:45:52
165.   Cornell Blue Fan
Natepurcell

03 for me.....weird
I wonder if we know each other

2006-03-31 22:46:04
166.   Bob Timmermann
"Seinfeld" does not have a "Rain Delay" graphic anymore.
2006-03-31 22:51:32
167.   Bob Timmermann
The linescore on Yahoo is listed as a final.
2006-03-31 23:02:22
168.   BruceR
161 -- Maybe Beane was showcasing him to Flanders. We could use another middle infielder.
2006-03-31 23:02:38
169.   underdog
So I'm not as worried about Gagne now that I know he was pitching with an ear infection (presumably better after the antibiotics), but...

can anyone explain why he was pitching in the rain with a freakin' ear infection in a spring training game?

I'm assuming to work out his arm, get rid of the bone chips or whatever, work off the rust... etc. But doesn't it seem a bit like an unnecessary risk?

Oh well. No one was hurt tonight, I guess that's the best news (right?)

2006-03-31 23:51:46
170.   Joe
Just got home from the game.

Let me preface this by saying I'm not a Dodger fan but Dodger Stadium is my favorite local venue.

DODGER STADIUM LOOKS GREAT!

The McCourts finally did something right...the pastel seats look great, feel great (cup holder, whoo hoo!), the aqua outfield wall fit right in...sure, it's only aesthetics, but Chavez Ravine LOOKS like a great park and I'm pretty sure they'll have a great team in there this year.

2006-04-01 00:25:10
171.   thinkingblue
137.

What is wrong with Mueller? He's been slugging well over .500 this spring, and looked very good tonight, double, and a couple other singles, including an RBI.

As for Nomar, contrary to oldbear's steriod opinion, it is that he is kinda lunging at the ball, and opening up to soon. It is not that he's lost bat speed or anything like that, he's just gotta take a Drew like approach, instead of pressing, just fine tune, because he's been out in front of the ball.

2006-04-01 00:46:23
172.   Telemachos
Got back from the game a little while ago. The new seats look.... muted; but I guess that's because I'm not familiar with "classic" DS, just the colors in recent years. It's certainly pleasant, but different. One surprise was the bright powder blue on the dugout roofs and rails.

About the game itself? A few plays aside, it felt like it was being played at 80% speed (not surprising, given the weather). Repko's 2-out bunt seemed mind-numbingly stupid -- what were the TV comments about that (if any?) Once the Dodgers scored their first batch of runs, they seemed to settle into a disturbing pattern of swinging early in the count and not getting strong or solid contact... a lot of weak fly balls and ground-outs. The decided lack of power made me wish they still had a lefty bat with some pop coming off the bench (cough cough).

Very nice to see a Dodger catcher throw out runners (repeatedly!) at second, though. And JD's stroke is very smooth right now.

Gagne looked horrible.

2006-04-01 00:53:27
173.   Uncle Miltie
Dodgers lose Furcal for season

The Dodgers' postseason aspirations looked more attainable with each passing day of spring training. But they received a dose of bad news after Friday's 6-6 rain shortened tie against the Los Angeles Angels at Dodger Stadium.

Shortstop Rafael Furcal is out for the season as the Dodgers' shortstop and leadoff hitter because he needs surgery on his right knee. Furcal's MRI exam Friday morning revealed a second-degree sprain of the anterior cruciate ligament suffered in Monday's 4-2 win against the Detroit Tigers.
In layman's terms, a second-degree sprain means that Furcal has a partial tear of his ACL. A third-degree sprain is a complete tear. According to team physician Frank Jobe, only in rare cases has he experienced an individual recovering from a second-degree ACL sprain without undergoing surgery.
Jobe said the surgery could be done as an arthroscopic-assisted procedure, which means only a small incision in the knee has to be made.
For now, the shortstop position will be shared by Ramon Martinez and Oscar Robles.

"More than likely, he will have the surgery,'' Jobe said. "If he shows me he doesn't need the surgery, I'd be surprised. I've very seldom seen a Grade 2 sprain heal without surgery.''

Dreifort had been the Dodgers' busiest reliever, serving as the bridge to Mota and closer Eric Gagne. But Dreifort struggled in his new role, going 0-3 with a 12.15 ERA. Tracy said he has no regrets about placing Dreifort in the setup role but stated that Dreifort had not pitched well in recent appearances.

Furcal, who signed a three-year, $39 million free agent contract this winter, who has been slowed by a strained lower back the last few days, was thought to have shown enough improvement to be on target for the opener, but recent events have changed those plans.

2006-04-01 00:54:55
174.   Uncle Miltie
Dodgers lose Furcal for season

The Dodgers' postseason aspirations looked more attainable with each passing day of spring training. But they received a dose of bad news after Friday's 6-6 rain shortened tie against the Los Angeles Angels at Dodger Stadium.

Shortstop Rafael Furcal is out for the season as the Dodgers' shortstop and leadoff hitter because he needs surgery on his right knee. Furcal's MRI exam Friday morning revealed a second-degree sprain of the anterior cruciate ligament suffered in Monday's 4-2 win against the Detroit Tigers.
In layman's terms, a second-degree sprain means that Furcal has a partial tear of his ACL. A third-degree sprain is a complete tear. According to team physician Frank Jobe, only in rare cases has he experienced an individual recovering from a second-degree ACL sprain without undergoing surgery.
Jobe said the surgery could be done as an arthroscopic-assisted procedure, which means only a small incision in the knee has to be made.
For now, the shortstop position will be shared by Ramon Martinez and Oscar Robles.

"More than likely, he will have the surgery,'' Jobe said. "If he shows me he doesn't need the surgery, I'd be surprised. I've very seldom seen a Grade 2 sprain heal without surgery.''

Furcal, who signed a three-year, $39 million free agent contract this winter, who has been slowed by a strained lower back the last few days, was thought to have shown enough improvement to be on target for the opener, but recent events have changed those plans.

2006-04-01 00:59:51
175.   Andrew Shimmin
Link?
2006-04-01 01:01:12
176.   natepurcell
okay damn you!

i am a little buzzed, i refreshed DT comments and what do i see,

"FURCAL OUT FOR THE SEASON"

i just freak out and remember... april fools! mannnn thats not funny!

2006-04-01 01:03:16
177.   Andrew Shimmin
Ah. Clever. I kept refreshing Google news. . .

Glad that's over. Can that be the official DT prank? Or are there going to be more?

2006-04-01 01:08:31
178.   natepurcell
hey Cornell Blue Fan, what is your name if thats okay to ask.
2006-04-01 01:16:39
179.   regfairfield
I hate April Fools day.
2006-04-01 01:20:50
180.   Uncle Miltie
I'm going to call my mom tomorrow and tell her that I'm thinking of dropping out of college.

If I had said "Carter out for the season" would anybody care?

2006-04-01 01:22:42
181.   Andrew Shimmin
The L.A. Times publishes a pro-Choi letter, under the heading, "He Thinks They Won't Succeed at First."

http://tinyurl.com/z87tm

Big thanks to Uncle Miltie for tricking me in to hitting the LA Times website. I hope you're proud of yourself.

2006-04-01 01:24:21
182.   Andrew Shimmin
180- I'm going to call your mom tomorrow and tell her that you died in a car accident.
2006-04-01 01:28:51
183.   natepurcell
if you said "guzman traded for hector carrasco" i would have really cared.
2006-04-01 02:08:04
184.   oldbear
I'm going to call your mom tomorrow and tell her that you died in a car accident

Thats bad. This could be worse:

I'm gonna call my ex-gf up and tell her I have HIV and that she should get tested too.

Shortstop Rafael Furcal is out for the season

Can they now move the destroyer back to SS?

2006-04-01 02:10:31
185.   oldbear
he's just gotta take a Drew like approach

Nomar and Drew are the exact opposite in terms of hitting approach and have been so their entire careers.

2006-04-01 02:27:27
186.   Andrew Shimmin
Finally listened to Jon's podcast appearance. I'm not sure the link to the podcast is posted (like, anywhere), so, here it is: http://tinyurl.com/jzjj9 (mp3--58.5 MB)

You sounded good. Sore throats agree with you.

2006-04-01 03:36:44
187.   GoBears
I must be old and jaded. Just read throught the comments, and when I saw "Dodgers lose Furcal for the season," the first thing I did was look at the time stamp, and think "uh huh."

Two detail problems. First, it was his back that was hurting. Second, 2nd-degree sprains do heal without surgery. As long as there's some blood flow (partial tear, not complete), it's a 6-7 week proposition. Probably fewer for an elite athlete in his prime with top-of-the-line care.

Uh, so yeah, I take it back. With the Dodger training staff, it's probably a season-ender. Because it's probably an undiagnosed case of leprosy.

Phyzzy and Huddy were in rare form today. Geez. Gagne's Tommy John surgery, all the professional hitting, grittiness, and leadership. I muted, but then couldn't get the close-captioning off the screen. So I un-muted, and just turned the volume to zero. Ah.......silenccccccccce....

What's the over-under on number of plate appearances before Nomar takes a first pitch?
I'm officially projecting a sub-.800 OPS this season. Closer to .750. Which is OK if you're, ya know, a shortstop.

2006-04-01 04:06:12
188.   GoBears
Oh, and yeah, Furcal has a knee concern too, but the more immediate problem is the back. So in retrospect, "herniated disk" might have done the trick.
2006-04-01 07:07:11
189.   Vishal
also, in the first one, you left in a blurb about dreifort which was a tipoff.
2006-04-01 08:16:53
190.   Bob Timmermann
Did anyone read the LA Times story by Ben Bolch about the game?

"The game was called in the middle of the eighth inning, shortly after Edgardo Alfonzo's single to right had scored Maicer Izturis from second to put the Angels ahead, 7-6. But because the Dodgers did not get to bat in their half of the inning, the game reverted to a tie."

And MLB.com lists a 6-6 score. But the game should have just been declared over with the Angels ahead 7-6. If it had been a regulation game, it would have been suspended. Unless the old rule is in place for exhibition games, the final score of a game should be what's on the board when the umpire says it over unless it hasn't gone 5 innings.

2006-04-01 08:30:13
191.   Bob Timmermann
Rule 4.11

The score of a regulation game is the total number of runs scored by each team at the moment the game ends.

The score was Angels 7, Dodgers 6 when the game ended.

This is going to bother me.

A lot.

Until the Final Four starts.

2006-04-01 08:40:35
192.   Jon Weisman
190/191 - You mean the reverting back to the previous inning rule is a figment of Tommy Westphal's autistic imagination?

I assumed when the rain delay began that the final score would be 6-6 if they didn't play anymore.

I'm fairly certain there have been tie games in baseball in recent years (All-Star games notwithstanding).

Maybe "the moment the game ends" is defined in this situation as the moment after the reversion to the previous inning.

2006-04-01 09:26:36
193.   Bob Timmermann
The "reverting back to the last completed inning" is an old rule. It was changed sometime in the late 1970s or early 1980s so teams wouldn't stall so they could get a favorable result.

So a game like last night in the regular season would have been suspended. The Dodgers and Giants had a similar situation back in 2000. I believe it was the second game in the history of Pac Bell.

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B04120SFN2000.htm

Here is Rule 4.11 in its entirety:
4.11
The score of a regulation game is the total number of runs scored by each team at the moment the game ends. (a) The game ends when the visiting team completes its half of the ninth inning if the home team is ahead. (b) The game ends when the ninth inning is completed, if the visiting team is ahead. (c) If the home team scores the winning run in its half of the ninth inning (or its half of an extra inning after a tie), the game ends immediately when the winning run is scored. EXCEPTION: If the last batter in a game hits a home run out of the playing field, the batter runner and all runners on base are permitted to score, in accordance with the base running rules, and the game ends when the batter runner touches home plate. APPROVED RULING: The batter hits a home run out of the playing field to win the game in the last half of the ninth or an extra inning, but is called out for passing a preceding runner. The game ends immediately when the winning run is scored. (d) A called game ends at the moment the umpire terminates play. EXCEPTION: If the game is called while an inning is in progress and before it is completed, the game becomes a SUSPENDED game in each of the following situations: (1) The visiting team has scored one or more runs to tie the score and the home team has not scored; (2) The visiting team has scored one or more runs to take the lead and the home team has not tied the score or retaken the lead. National Association Leagues may also adopt the following rules for suspended games in addition to 4.11 (d) (1) & (2) above. (If adopted by a National Association League, Rule 4.10 (c) (d) & (e) would not apply to their games.): (3) The game has not become a regulation game (4 1/2 innings with the home team ahead, or 5 innings with the visiting club ahead or tied). (4) Any regulation game tied at the point play is stopped because of weather, curfew or other reason. (5) If a game is suspended before it becomes a regulation game, and is continued prior to another regularly scheduled game, the regularly scheduled game will be limited to seven innings. (6) If a game is suspended after it is a regulation game, and is continued prior to another regularly scheduled game, the regularly scheduled game will be a nine inning game. EXCEPTION: The above sections (3), (4), (5) & (6) will not apply to the last scheduled game between the two teams during the championship season, or League Playoffs. Any suspended game not completed prior to the last scheduled game between the two teams during the championship season, will become a called game.

2006-04-01 09:58:51
194.   Cornell Blue Fan
Natepurcell

I'm Matt McConnell SM class of 03.....
Who are you and where do you go now?

2006-04-01 10:02:41
195.   underdog
I know this is April Fool's Day and all, and I know it's the Angels and all, but did I miss the official announcement explaining why the result of exhibition games and exhibition standings matter one iota? 7-6, 6-6, who cares - can we start the season already? ;-)

Billingsley's pitching tonight though, right? That should be interesting. Hope he does well.

2006-04-01 10:06:46
196.   underdog
funny, I thought a good April Fool's headline would have been:

Dodgers re-sign Darren Dreifort to 3 year deal

but knew no one here would buy it.

What about:

"Dodgers sign Jose Lima after he refused AAA assignment from the Mets" - Nah, no one would have bought that one, either.

2006-04-01 10:06:47
197.   Vishal
[194] are you at cornell? i was just there the other day. you guys have a nice library. the whole campus is nice, really. i ought to hang out there more.
2006-04-01 10:14:26
198.   Bob Timmermann
The standings of an exhibition game don't mean anything. Which is why saying that last night's game was a tie makes absolutely no sense.

The game ended. The Angels were ahead 7-6.

I just don't like seeing people pulling rules out of their (insert euphemism here) and making stuff up. Even if it is April 1.

2006-04-01 10:17:09
199.   Linkmeister
Anyone who's single here should be sure to check out Google today (emphasis on today):

http://www.google.com/romance/

2006-04-01 10:26:04
200.   Bob Timmermann
A contextual date sounds fun!
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2006-04-01 10:59:31
201.   Cornell Blue Fan
197- Ya I'm at Cornell. We have like 19 libraries. This campus is way different than Southern Cal but I like it. What were you doing here?
2006-04-01 11:09:10
202.   Bob Timmermann
Cornell has 20 libraries.

So sayeth the University's website.

One of them is in Doha, Qatar.

2006-04-01 11:16:18
203.   Bob Timmermann
Cornell has a library solely devoted to the study of insects:

http://entomology.library.cornell.edu/

Now that is one narrow focus.

2006-04-01 11:57:41
204.   Brendan
194 201

Cornell Blue Fan, I might be making an assumption but I think nate purcell's name might actually be nate purcell.

Not my business but I couldn't not point that out. didn't want an abbot and costello routine to break out. ;.>

Espn Classic is running a show from 11am to 5pm PST titled: MLB Classic Flame-throwers.

Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson, JIM ABBOTT,DAVID CONE,DAVID WELLS, FERNANDO VALENZUELA.

right now they are showing RJ'S perfect game against the braves so I am guessing they are showing no-hitters which might have been a better title for the show.

2006-04-01 12:27:06
205.   Vishal
[201] i was doing research for a paper over in the kroch asia collection. i'm in grad school at syracuse. it's only like an hour away.
2006-04-01 12:40:33
206.   natepurcell
re:Cornell Blue Fan

yea my nate is Nate...Purcell. lol.

i go to U of Arizona. Your name sounds really familiar.

ha, my roommate knows you. I just went to ask him. His name is dustin cavanaugh. small world.

2006-04-01 12:42:19
207.   King of the Hobos
Edwin Jackson will begin the year in Durham after losing his competition with Doug Waechter. With the Tampa Bay rotation, he will be back to the majors soon enough. The IL should be a lot more friendly to him than the PCL was
2006-04-01 12:44:58
208.   natepurcell
edwin had an up and down spring.

from what i watched, his fb didnt have the zip on it, it was more 90-93 instead of 93-95. His slider still needs work and he still telegraphs his change up and slider- he slowns down his arm motion when hes about to throw those pitches.

2006-04-01 12:48:40
209.   Brendan
208

isn't the fact that his fastball was 97-95(when he faced Randy Johnson) and fell to 92-90 after injuries the real reason for his problems? combined with only having one other pitch. is he truly healthy or is something wrong with his delivery?

2006-04-01 12:50:04
210.   natepurcell
mlbtraderumors.com seems pretty sure of this deal....

The Cubs will send Matt Murton, Rich Hill, and Angel Guzman to the Brewers for slugger Carlos Lee.

2006-04-01 12:51:01
211.   Brendan
showing Fernando's no-hitter right now on espn classic. I had forgotten that dave stewart had pitched a no-hitter earlier that day.
2006-04-01 12:51:57
212.   natepurcell
his delivery looks good. I dunno why he doesnt have the zip on his FB anymore. It does seem though he really isnt throwing the hardest he could throw.
2006-04-01 12:55:58
213.   natepurcell
re 210

eh nevermind, its probably an april fools joke.

2006-04-01 13:01:46
214.   Steve
We gave away tickets to Fernando's nohitter. And traded 1988 game one tickets for game two.
2006-04-01 13:03:04
215.   Cornell Blue Fan
Nate,

I figured that was your name, it just didn't ring a bell. Ya I know Dustin. Cool kid. You know Kenny Chambers. He and I played baseball at SM but he transfered to Capo after our Sophomore season. Hes at UA and is a cool kid too. Small world.

2006-04-01 13:07:18
216.   King of the Hobos
214 So if you give up your tickets for Monday, then it's guarunteed that Ramon Martinez will have an unassisted triple play? Or will Repko hit an inside the park grand slam?
2006-04-01 13:07:25
217.   Brendan
214

that is stunning. you are giving up your tickets to opening day, correct? looks like something historic might happen.

I can see the 88 WS because Hershiser was scheduled for GM 2 but man oh man. At least you didn't go and then leave early.

2006-04-01 13:09:13
218.   natepurcell
yea i remember kenny chambers. I played basketball freshmen yr.
2006-04-01 13:09:48
219.   natepurcell
im know KC uhler pretty well. dustin told you and him were good friends.
2006-04-01 13:10:12
220.   natepurcell
dustin told me you and him
2006-04-01 13:12:31
221.   Steve
We had to go to scout camp on game 1. I was on the 405 coming home when it happened.
2006-04-01 13:16:06
222.   Andrew Shimmin
220- Closer, but it's still, "you and he."
2006-04-01 13:16:33
223.   Steve
Game 2 was obviously the best game I ever went to, although game 7 of the NLCS was pretty close and we actually won the thing on that one
2006-04-01 13:17:41
224.   Bob Timmermann
Dodger Stadium's lone inside-the-park grand slam was by Tony Gwynn.
2006-04-01 13:18:13
225.   Blu2
220. natepurcell
dustin told me you and him

I take it English isn't your field of endeavor?

2006-04-01 13:35:56
226.   natepurcell
apparently not today. wow i suck today.
2006-04-01 13:48:06
227.   Brendan
espn classic has been showing the fernando no hitter with gary thorne doing the broadcast and for the 9th inning they have switched to the radio broadcast of the AL Troutwig or maybe it is Joel meyer? and Ron Cey. I can see switching to hear Scully but why those two? ANd where was Vin?
2006-04-01 13:55:08
228.   Bob Timmermann
Are you sure that's a radio call and not SportsChannel or whomever had the Dodgers cable contract at the time?

I think that would be Meyers or Eddie Doucette.

2006-04-01 13:57:31
229.   Bob Timmermann
Scully was at Fernando's no-hitter. That's where he said "If you have a sombrero, throw it to the sky!"
2006-04-01 14:02:22
230.   underdog
208 How is Chuck Tiffany doing - is he starting at AAA too? Or not even that high?
2006-04-01 14:02:54
231.   Jon Weisman
Please see the ground rules above - two separate threads for Final Four chat and non-Final Four chat. Thanks!
2006-04-01 14:03:34
232.   Brendan
228 229

that's right. why would they go from the espn television broadcast(with thorne) to meyers and ron cey(which sounded like it was a radio broadcast) for the ninth. Meyer actually pulled a Vin and didn't speak for a full 30 seconds.

what a great line (again) from Vin.

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