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Putting Lofton's Role in Perspective
2006-04-17 14:11
I would suggest that the following was true before the season began: 1a) Kenny Lofton was not a viable full-time center fielder for 2006. 2a) Lofton's contract of well over $3 million per year is out of proportion to his talents. 3a) The idea that Lofton would help the team from a chemistry perspective was ludicrous. 4a) Lofton doesn't have much power. 5a) Lofton will not carry your team to a division title. Despite the strong outfield play the Dodgers saw in Los Angeles and Las Vegas while Lofton started the season on the disabled list, I'm not ready to believe that Jason Repko, Cody Ross, Joel Guzman or Andre Ethier is ready to take over an outfield position full-time. Sure, I'd rather see Lofton as a true bench player than as a questionable starter, but there's no reason to think that Lofton can't contribute to the team until a five-star outfield candidate emerges, and no reason to react in anger if his name is in the starting lineup against a right-handed pitcher at this stage. This is not a prediction that Lofton will stay healthy - far from it. It's a suggestion that while Lofton is healthy, however briefly, that he still has value as a tablesetter. Whether or not Lofton was worth acquiring, he is worth using once acquired. The fact that the Dodgers will eventually do better than Lofton does not mean Lofton can't help the team in the short term.
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You should know that there is no room here for any reasonable or objective viewpoint on something like Kenny Lofton. You should just continue your Easter Weekend hibernation and leave the analysis to someone else.
i hate previewing my posts but my typos are becoming chronic. tsk, tsk.
Some here are made the following observations:
#1. Jeff Kent has lost a step defensively at 2nd base.
#2. James Loney is not ready for MLB pitching.
#3. Willy Aybar is destroying AAA, after a great last month in the MLB last year.
Question:
Would it be best for the team (while Nomar is hurt or if he's going to be hurt), to move Kent to 1st base and play Aybar at 2nd?
I think there's a very strong possibility Aybar can outproduce Loney at this point.
It just seems Aybar and even Joel Guzman should be on the MLB club ahead of James Loney.
However, I've got no problem with Aybar over Martinez, except for the potential problem of backing up Furcal at short (assuming Garciaparra can't).
Part of me is ready for the Dodgers to just go with the young talent right now, if just to get it over with. At the rate injuries are hitting, that might happen any way.
The D-Backs have started toi bring up their prospects and while some may want to see Drew and Upton, neither has even half a full season in professional ball so it would be doubtful that they would bring them up.
And the Devil Rays, we will have to see if they make any moves to free up some space for their players, I think Upton is out of options after this year so something has to be decided, saw a note where he already has 7 errors at shortstop, all on throws. He like Soriano and even Guzman recognize the value of their bat in a middle infield position but unless you can play a decent second or short, a major league club can't afford mediocre defense, especially at shortstop.
The Angels probably belong in this discussion too but their moves are predicated by getting rid of their current middle infielders and Erstad, so we probably won't see Howie and the rest until 2007.
http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/episode02.htm#3
If thats the case, one has to wonder what the Dodgers are evaluating their players on. I'm hoping they have Aybar at AAA bc they want him playing everyday. If its bc they think he has no future and that Ramon Martinez actually is better, something is terribly wrong.
Bob, inquiring minds want (nay, need) to know!
The problem with the Lofton signing is the money combined with his veteran-ness. Its not the money in the sense that his millions (4 of them) brought the team to its budget limits. Its the money (and his veteran-ness) in the sense that he's been annointed. We're stuck with him even if the better option comes a-knocking down our door.
Say Ethier just destroys AAA pitching, or Repko or Ross keep swinging the hot bat. Are any of them going to start in centerfield as long as Kenny Lofton is around? Is Lofton even tradable? I remember the Yankees tried to limit his role 2 years ago, and it was a disaster.
Yeah, but Drew's OPS is already 1 point higher than his career average.
A KeLorie?
I hope I get some chuckles out of 28 because thats probably the most clever thing I've ever said here at Dodgerthoughts.
29 provided a nice finishing touch. Rimshots all around.
That said, the way the NL West is shaping up, hard to believe a team will need more than 85 wins to take the division.
25. I agree in regards to Hu. The joke possibilites alone make him exciting. My guess is that he spends a year+ at AA, about a year at AAA, and then apprenticing with Furcal in the last year of Raffy's contract. It's a pipe dream, but I hope he can keep up the walk rate he's shown so far this season.
Anyone know when the 1st game of the doubleheader starts today.
And can anyone please post a link directly to gameday for the game.
But does NOT explain what Orel Hershiser is doing on Baseball Tonight. I caught a bit of it yesterday, and he seemed so... out of place....
How about this for a trade the Dodgers should make: Monday and Lyons to ESPN for Hershiser. A lopsided deal in the Dodgers' favor, but it would suit the character of both teams well.
colletti needs to pull some sort of jim hendry type trade. I think hendry is a underpar GM for the most part, but you cant deny his trades for derrek lee and aramis ramirez. those were amazing trades.
See, I did read "3 Nights in August" even after everyone tried to talk me out of it.
I've never been a Lofton fan and don't like him on my team. Sort of the way some people think about Kent on the team after years of hatred. I've always heard he was a clubhouse cancer, his alleged motivational skills notwithstanding.
39 - According to minorleaguebaseball.com, the first game starts at 5:05 PDT.
Unless I'm mistaken, s/he hasn't followed up on this story yet this season.
Im watcing the angels game. What does it say that even recent former Dodgers are sucking it up? Maybe all our good baseball karma is being focused on the minor leaguers.
even bringing in hershiser for some sort of management position would be welcomed by me.
What about Drew? He can play there, and wants to play there. Since Cruz is comfortable in either corner spot that would have left us in need of one corner outfielder. I just feel like we could have gotten a Reggie Sanders, or someone like that who would outproduce Lofton and give us that bat in the middle that we need.
Just can't understand why we spent what we did on Lofton when Drew could have done the job fine...and the money to Lofton could have gone to another corner outfielder that will have better all around numbers...
41 - The key to those trades was the fact that both the Marlins and the Pirates did not want to pay Lee and Ramirez and they were willing to trade them for prospects, albeit not great ones as none of them are no longer in Florida's plans. In fact the only player that had any value was Hee Sop Choi who of course helped them get LoDuca and Mota who they then used (after signing them to multi-million contracts) in last off season's trades with the Red Sox and the Mets.
It does appear that the dumping salary type trades (unless the other team is Florida) is not something that is being done much these days so for the Dodgers to acquire someone like Lee or Ramirez, a combination of prospects and taking on some significant salary may be what it takes to get someone to fill the middle of the lineup.
http://tinyurl.com/zyh9l
so lame of the white sox.
Dear Dave,
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No comment, just thought it was interesting the types of promotions they do down in the minors.
I'm not kidding, but I can't yet verify the rumor.
Don Sutton would be great in the Dodgers broadcast booth. I agree with nate on that one.
They probably still have Snyder's laying around somewhere that they can re-use.
Another weird, weird move. I know other teams were interested in Cody...we couldn't have gotten something? anything?
I dont really care about losing Ross, but the love for Repko is disturbing.
I dont really care about losing Ross, but the love for Repko is disturbing.*
I'm asking the same thing.
Please can anyone post a link directly to gameday for the las vegas game.
Like what jon does for the dodgers, but i want the vegas game.
I'm having problems with accessing minorleaguebaseball.com
And the elephant is white
What about gameday? i'm trying to get it but its not working for me.
Can you please post a link to gameday.
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=l_sco&lid=112
The surprise is that, as a broadcaster, he not only never has anything interesting to say, he's lost all his charisma. Nevertheless, its that reputation from his playing days that keeps him employed.
Thanks for the link.
I'm still having problems tho, the screen just comes up blank, it must be my computer.
But thanks for the link tho, thanks for trying.
A's Nation thinks Suzuki is currently their top catching prospect (.556 OBP as of Sunday). I haven't heard much about Brown lately. Made for a cool character though in the book.
http://www.athleticsnation.com/story/2006/4/17/92943/5768
Thats true the A's have been hyping Suzuki for a long time, but Jeremy Brown has had a few good years lately so I hope they give him a shot.
So, how is Hee doing?
Of course only 13 ABs. :-)
The Dodgers arent doing that "Oakland thing" anymore.
Or, perhaps it reflects another of the closet Oldbear attackers.
Either way, despite the parts I agree with, it reflects a complete misunderstanding of this audience - grand generalizations and inappropriate language presented as major revelations.
I don't want to make bad assumptions, but something about this post made me uncomfortable.
Pittsburg!
man this is a really dumb move, i would at least like to have seen Aybar at 2nd.
tonights game should be fun! robles, loney, lofton? cruz bunting! yessssss
cant wait to see broxton and billingsley in l.a.
Meanwhile, in NY, Duaner comes in to relieve Pedro and gets a big K of Marcus Giles to end the top of the 7th w/a runner at second in a 4-3 game (Mets up). The runner was only at second because he stole it off the Duaner/LoDuca battery.
The only theme that I see is that he might be consistently choosing the one he perceives as the better defensive player (and maybe the faster player). Most of us would argue that he's wrong on the Ross/Repko defensive comparison, and maybe even on the Robles/Aybar comparison (and certainly on the Alomar Jr./anyone choice). But by reputation alone, he does seem to have chosen perceived defense over offense every time. Remember, he did say that he would emphasize speed and defense. He apparently meant it.
Still, not good when you have the wrong decision rule, and then can't even apply it correctly.
Wow. This Ross for Robles swap is unbelievable, unless there's a trade in the works (and probably, even then). Colletti really does seem to make the worst choice possible every chance he gets. Most of these decisions have been of minor importance, but they do not bode well for the bigger decisions down the line. Lofton over any decent corner OFer with power, Repko over Ross, Robles over Aybar, Loney (at this stage) over Choi. The evidence is really piling up.
The only theme that I see is that he might be consistently choosing the one he perceives as the better defensive player (and maybe the faster player). Most of us would argue that he's wrong on the Ross/Repko defensive comparison, and maybe even on the Robles/Aybar comparison (and certainly on the Alomar Jr./anyone choice). But by reputation alone, he does seem to have chosen perceived defense over offense every time. Remember, he did say that he would emphasize speed and defense. He apparently meant it.
Still, not good when you have the wrong decision rule, and then can't even apply it correctly.
I'm also thrilled that tonight he is batting leadoff. That's the spot most conducive to preparing him for the majors. Mini rant: In spring training, Aybar's best game came in the No. 1 spot, but from there Grittle pretty much ignored him. I understand that Grittle had to prepare the 25-man roster. But a smarter franchise would've alternated Willy in the No. 1 spot. The Dodgers and Mr. Pirate, Roy Smith, really don't appreciate or teach Aybar's kind of patient approach that the No. 1 spot accentuates, even develops. As an aside, the Rockies are batting SS prospect Tulowitzki leadoff to improve his plate discipline. Smart!
Back to topic: Aybar is better defensively at 3B, iffy at 2B. I know many people look at his stats and say put him at 2B, because his offensive game fits better there. But the stats don't show his defensive actions, and those actions put Willy at 3B.
Keep Willy at 3B unless Mueller gets hurt. And keep him at leadoff. Robles is a better fit to spell Kent a few games.
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