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Alive - Not Kicking, But Very Much Alive
2006-09-28 08:59
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Minus the October spotlight and Dennis Eckersley on the opposing hill, Nomar Garciaparra's performance over the past 10 days has been Kirk Gibson-like. Garciaparra's been beaten up, down and sideways, limping along the basepaths but mashing the ball.

Remember, part of the Gibson story was he didn't play in any World Series games after Game 1 in 1988. The home runs don't make the injuries disappear. For his part, Garciaparra is expected to start today's game in Colorado on the bench - though ... drum roll ... he may pinch-hit.

* * *

Had the Phillies lost in the 14th inning Wednesday night, I suspect they would have been talking about that game for years in Philadelphia. As it is, they are still very much on the Dodgers' heels.

Astros at Pirates, 9:35 a.m.

Dodgers at Rockies, 12:05 p.m.

Phillies at Nationals, 4:05 p.m.

Reds at Marlins, 4:05 p.m.

Brewers at Cardinals, 5:10 p.m.

Padres at Diamondbacks, 6:40 p.m.

* * *

Update: This story in the Times has gotten a lot of interest: The Dodgers will be switching out of their Class A affiliation with Vero Beach into the California League. Caveat: Bill Shaikin's report cites an unnamed source for the news.

This doesn't necessarily mean the Dodgers will stop going to Vero for Spring Training, though there has been much talk of that.

The Dodgers also announced this week that they are moving their other Class A affiliation from Columbus, Georgia to Midland, Michigan. Say hello to your new friends, the Great Lake Loons, via this report from the Midland Daily News.

Update 2: Ken Gurnick at MLB.com confirms the move of the Dodgers' Class A team from Vero Beach to point undetermined in the California League.

Comments (1601)
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2006-09-28 09:22:34
1.   Jeromy
Brian Schneider's game ending GIDP was hit very sharply. That ball gets through Utley and Beltran Perez scores from 2nd base with only 1 out. The Nationals could easily have stolen that game. I think the Phillies will be worn out today--if not physically, emotionally.
2006-09-28 09:22:45
2.   Gagne55
first comment :D
2006-09-28 09:24:04
3.   Gagne55
I got beat by 11 seconds. :-(

Go Blue! :)

2006-09-28 09:24:40
4.   underdog
Continuing from the other thread, I think it makes sense that the Dodgers are going back to the California A league, for obvious reasons. What to do about their spring training location is a sep. discussion/decision, but this will probably be the beginning of the end for VB. But separate from that, I do like that they're coming back "home" as it were.
2006-09-28 09:27:51
5.   Gagne55
1 If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.
2006-09-28 09:29:13
6.   Bluebleeder87
1

agreed

2006-09-28 09:35:51
7.   Bob Timmermann
It's Loney, and not Lugo....
Furcal, SS

Lofton, CF

Anderson, LF

Kent, 2B

Drew, RF

Martin, C

Betemit, 3B

Loney, 1B

Penny, P

2006-09-28 09:36:12
8.   regfairfield
1 Won't the Nationals also be exhausted?
2006-09-28 09:36:41
9.   capdodger
1 It was an atom-ball, but you'll never get hits if you hit them right at 'em.
2006-09-28 09:37:52
10.   Bob Timmermann
It's raining in Pittsburgh and the start will be delayed. For as long as it takes, I imagine.
2006-09-28 09:39:31
11.   Gagne55
Anderson hitting 3rd? Doesn't take long for somebody to prove themself, I guess.
2006-09-28 09:39:53
12.   Greg S
7 I like it. I love that we can sit our arguably best hitter and still have a lineup that has danger througout. (I mean as long as Lugo sits). Our 7 hitter hit a 460 ft HR yesterday and our 8 hitter hit .380 at AAA. I'll take it.
2006-09-28 09:40:29
13.   Gagne55
9 The inverse rule to Willie Keeler's 'hit 'em where they ain't'
2006-09-28 09:41:53
14.   Gagne55
Is Bob going to update on the offensive records today?
2006-09-28 09:44:32
15.   gibsonhobbs88
Regarding some previous threads on possibly locking up the WC before playing Sunday:
C'mon fellow DT posters, you have been Dodger fans long enough to know Dodgers don't do things that easily. This is coming down to the last day. If the Dodgers have two paths to take to the playoffs, they choose the more treacherous, difficult path possible. I mean if they wanted to be easier on themselves, then they would have taken 2 out of 3 in the series with the Brewers, Cubs and Pirates this month instead of losing 2 of 3. Add up those 3 additional wins and we are 2 up on SD and 4 up on PHIL and would have clinched a tie for the WC at worst. It is just the Dodger way, to go right to the edge of the season and either bring us unbridled joy or painful heartbreaking agony! We just have to live with it.
2006-09-28 09:49:32
16.   cdbavg400
4 Looks like Dodgertown is now D. Ray Town...

http://tinyurl.com/h9p7l

2006-09-28 09:50:44
17.   FelixP
I hope the offensive records are updated. I gotta know who's leading the league in nose-hair.
2006-09-28 09:51:49
18.   Bob Timmermann
I did at the end of yesteday's game.

The Dodgers are slugging .430. The LA record is .431, so they better get to it.

The XBH, hits, and BA records should all fall this year.

2006-09-28 09:53:43
19.   Bluebleeder87
Won't the Nationals also be exhausted?

i think he's talking over the long haul.

2006-09-28 09:56:22
20.   Jon Weisman
Okay, update above links to the two minor league affiliation stories.
2006-09-28 09:56:48
21.   Daniel Zappala
Personally, I think the biggest news of the day is that Bob sometimes wears more than one pair of socks on the same day.

My question: at the same time?

2006-09-28 09:58:15
22.   Vishal
reds at marlins? is that really consequential?
2006-09-28 09:58:18
23.   bigcpa
Plaschke's column today is actually worth a read. Although I can't believe Drew gives him the time of day after being called JD Ghost for two years.
2006-09-28 09:59:46
24.   FelixP
I'm in Victorville, which is adjacent to Adelanto. I'd be excited if a Dodger team came to Adelanto although I'm sure it would inflate the offensive numbers as we're at 3000 feet up here north of the Cajon pass.
2006-09-28 10:02:54
25.   bigcpa
22 I understand it's Ladies Night in Miami.
2006-09-28 10:04:01
26.   Bob Timmermann
What if you're wearing dress socks during the day and want to go out for a long walk later?
2006-09-28 10:05:18
27.   Vishal
[25] i'd be all for someone posting pictures, but the gameday doesn't really do anything for me :)
2006-09-28 10:05:18
28.   regfairfield
22 Thanks to the miracles of the NL, the Reds are somehow still alive with four games left.
2006-09-28 10:05:37
29.   gibsonhobbs88
4 & 16, On one hand, it will be sad, another passing of an era but from a practical aspect, I understand the logic. Also, it will be more convenient and less expensive to see by beloved Blue in Arizona, spend a weekend in spring training than to spend about a week in Florida, more expense for lodging, flight, ect..
2006-09-28 10:06:06
30.   Vishal
[28] mathematically perhaps, but not realistically.
2006-09-28 10:06:48
31.   bonnie
A fellow Victorvillian here too, (though I hate to admit it). It would be great to have them in Adelanto. 3 out of the 4 mentioned destinations are within 40 miles of us
2006-09-28 10:07:33
32.   Jon Weisman
23 - Yeah, that was a fun column.

22 - Uh, no, probably not. Forgot that they lost last night.

2006-09-28 10:09:53
33.   Jon Weisman
The sound of Adelanto makes me think of the heroine in the race from "Free to Be, You and Me," Atalanta.

Come on, you know what I'm talking about.

2006-09-28 10:11:06
34.   Bob Timmermann
The Reds could lose today and not be eliminated.
2006-09-28 10:11:07
35.   Bluebleeder87
i have family in Porterville, wich is really near by Visalia, i also have family in San Bernardino, it would be sweet to have them in either.
2006-09-28 10:11:58
36.   StolenMonkey86
I thought the Tigers' defenders could play good defense. The defenders haven't caught a ball yet.
2006-09-28 10:11:59
37.   rockmrete
"I think Nomar's injuries are behind him"

OOPs!!!
Spoke a little too soon maybe.
Looks like Scareduck had it right...(injrury in the behind) :) thanks for the assist.
What a great night of Baseball last night, I showed my boys (9&10) how to get all pumped up in a Pennant Race. We were switching back and forth from Vin, to ESPN, and back again almost on every pitch. Truelly awsome.

2006-09-28 10:12:03
38.   dianagramr
26

Just call him Bob "Two Sock Shakur" Timmermann

(stop me before I pun (badly) again)

2006-09-28 10:13:25
39.   Bluebleeder87
26

i've been guilty of wearing dress socks with shorts & walking to the corner market.

2006-09-28 10:15:19
40.   dianagramr
39

nowadays, you are liable to get rounded up by Homeland Security for that ...

2006-09-28 10:16:53
41.   Bob Timmermann
And yet today, I'm not wearing any socks at all.

I have the day off, for the record.

2006-09-28 10:17:19
42.   Penarol1916
On the Big Blue Wrecking Crew discussion boards, someone mentioned that Kershaw's contract requires him to play in Florida his first two years. Does this mean that he has to go to Jacksonville now? Absolutely terrible. What I really hope is that whever the Dodgers end up isn't in the high altitudes.
2006-09-28 10:19:49
43.   dianagramr
blue jays up 2-0 still batting top 1 against rogers in det. (2 tiger errors already)
2006-09-28 10:22:35
44.   Bluebleeder87
40

atleast i'm not wearing my dress shoes with my dress socks.(sandles)

2006-09-28 10:23:15
45.   gibsonhobbs88
34 - However, with two teams ahead of them, the likeliness of the Reds winning the AL Central are microscopically slim. The Astros are the team most likely to take advantage of the "Collapsing Cards".
2006-09-28 10:26:12
46.   Bluebleeder87
the Nats had a golden apportunity last night, oh well.
2006-09-28 10:26:32
47.   Andrew Shimmin
42- There's still Vero Beach. It's a jump, too, but not as bad.
2006-09-28 10:27:11
48.   Bob Timmermann
45
I'd reread your comment there.
2006-09-28 10:29:07
49.   blue22
The Reds would be about 30 games out in the AL Central.

Did Pujols lock up the MVP with that (potentially) season-saving homerun last night?

2006-09-28 10:33:41
50.   Bluebleeder87
-test-
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2006-09-28 10:33:55
51.   Andrew Shimmin
47- And that's why you should always read the update to the post.
2006-09-28 10:34:38
52.   Bluebleeder87
how do you get the line threw a word?? i saw Bob do it the other day.
2006-09-28 10:37:53
53.   dianagramr
3-0 JAYS top 2nd .... Rios RBI single ... action in Tigers pen
2006-09-28 10:39:43
54.   JoeyP
Albert Pujols played in the Midwest League in 2000.

I didnt know his real name is actually "Jose Albert Pujols"

2006-09-28 10:40:11
55.   Andrew Shimmin
52- In the comments? Or at the Griddle?
2006-09-28 10:42:16
56.   underdog
I think the Dodgers A team should play here in San Francisco so I can see them more often.

Er, wait, is there a team here already?

Er, wait, did I just jinx this weekend's series?

But seriously - I know we already had a conversation awhile back about possible locations for a Dodgers Cal league team, and there are plenty of options... maybe you can pitch your respective favorites to the team while they're deciding.

2006-09-28 10:43:55
57.   Bluebleeder87
55

i saw him do that in the Griddle, he put a line in the middle of a word, pretty cool.

2006-09-28 10:44:46
58.   gibsonhobbs88
48 - Sorry about the typo, I of course meant the NL Central. Must be the effects of the flu I've been fighting off. In the AL, the only games that matter are games involving the Tigers, Twins and possibly the Yankees regarding overall home field. All other AL games are now inconsequential.

I do hope Tim Salmon will get enough chances to hit HR #300, it will be a nice farewell to a class gentleman and good guy. Farewell to the KingFish!

2006-09-28 10:45:57
59.   capdodger
35 Considering that the Columbus team is leaving beacuse of "a bad field", I would be very surprised if the high-A team ended up in Visalia. Recreation Park there is O-L-D-Old. The sod and playing surface was redone not too long ago, and the metal and wood bleachers replace with real seats. It's a very quaint place for baseball, though.

That said, the Oaks are currently a TB club, so who knows...

2006-09-28 10:46:21
60.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Does anyone have access to park factors for a comparison of Vero to Midland, Mich.? VB, from what I remember, is something of a launching pad, and I know the player development trend is to put your teams in pitchers' parks.
2006-09-28 10:47:10
61.   Andrew Shimmin
57- He has full html privileges over there. That's why he can post real links, and italics. Commenters get bold and underlining, but not all the rest of the toys.
2006-09-28 10:47:11
62.   JoeyP
Bakersfield was a Dodgers Class A affiliate for awhile.
Maybe they'll go back there.

Its kinda strange. I think the Midwest League is a step up from the Sally, but I also think the Califorina league is a step down from the FSL.

The FSL is probably the best Class A league, when it comes to which teams send their best talent there.

2006-09-28 10:48:03
63.   Bob Timmermann
The "strikeout" feature is only available if you can put in full HTML, which you can't do in comments.
2006-09-28 10:48:41
64.   capdodger
59 Visalia is also at ~300 feet, and the park, IIRC, was rather big. 405' to center, deep in the alleys, with tall fences. You have to deal with the heat thinning the air, but that's about it.
2006-09-28 10:53:33
65.   bhsportsguy
Getting back to Pittsburgh and Houston, Pittsburgh hosts Cincy this weekend and Houston only has a 2 hour flight (same time zone) to Atlanta for a night game tomorrow so I think they can wait out this game for as long as it takes today.

For the Astros, the question is what they do with Oswalt, its good for them that they delayed the start only to not waste Oswalt today.

2006-09-28 10:55:13
66.   Bluebleeder87
i remember seeing the Porterville high school baseball field & was amazed at how great it is, puts L.A. high schools to shame.
2006-09-28 10:56:03
67.   Bob Timmermann
65
I don't think "can" is the right verb. I think they "will" play this game. Somehow. At sometime.
2006-09-28 10:56:38
68.   MMSMikey
i thought for sure the tomato would be in the lineup today.
2006-09-28 10:57:13
69.   Sam DC
33: I knew.

I don't know if any other former sci fi nerds read, but Spider Robinson did an online chat at the Post today. Not a great chat, but quite sentimental for me.

Melancholy Elephants, God is an Iron -- brilliant stuff. Not quite Varley's Persistence of Vision, but still great.

http://tinyurl.com/zpoko

2006-09-28 10:57:50
70.   bhsportsguy
As I said in the previous thread, I think the issue in Vero Beach dealt with some attendance issues (65,000 for 60+ home games) and since the Dodgers operate their high A club, they could shop around for a good deal, I read San Berdoo really wants them to go there.

I also think that there may have been some issues with how the VB club was handled this year so maybe moving them closer to LA will help with the oversight.

2006-09-28 10:57:52
71.   underdog
Wait, did no one else spot this in today's Inside the Dodgers entry?
Cracked me up.

"Meanwhile, the team is on fire. Literally. Grady Little just informed us that during last night's game, while Derek Lowe was waiting to hit, his pant leg actually caught on fire from a small space heater in the dugout. You can't make this stuff up."

2006-09-28 10:59:07
72.   bhsportsguy
67 You're right, I should not only said "will," I should have said that even if they have to play tonight, they will play the game.
2006-09-28 11:00:51
73.   bhsportsguy
Don't know how much I can contribute during the game but this is a big one, it would be great to have a Dodger victory on the board for the Phillies and Padres to see before they start their games.
2006-09-28 11:02:59
74.   Jon Weisman
Will Carroll at BP today:

"A writer asked me earlier this week if I knew 'anything on or off the record, confirmed or denied, that would explain why Brad Penny looks like crap.' At the time, I didn't, but reports have come out since that Penny is dealing with either a back or an oblique problem. Dodgers sources say that Penny has had some back 'tightness,' but none of them would even go as far as calling it spasm. It's worth keeping an eye on. "

2006-09-28 11:04:49
75.   MMSMikey
Wow, not another oblique. I think we've had enough of those this season for a lifetime.
2006-09-28 11:07:37
76.   capdodger
75 - Baseball is a game with alot of twisting motions.
2006-09-28 11:07:58
77.   50 years a Dodger Fan
11. Gagne55
Anderson hitting 3rd? Doesn't take long for somebody to prove themself, I guess.

Unless you're a rookie. Ten years of mediocre stats > good minor league stats plus a good rookie year. Do you suppose the fact that almost all managers were failed or mediocre at best players influences their decisions to prefer "season (but mediocre) veterans" to higher performing rookies?

2006-09-28 11:08:00
78.   Bob Timmermann
74
Even the speculation on a Penny injury is somewhat oblique.
2006-09-28 11:09:50
79.   still bevens
Do greenies heal oblique muscles or something? I dont get it.
2006-09-28 11:11:15
80.   Benaiah
78 - Ab...solutely hilarious Bob.
2006-09-28 11:11:43
81.   MMSMikey
76 - Thank you.
does everyone think its safe to say penny is pitching for his spot in the postseason rotation today?
2006-09-28 11:13:15
82.   Bob Timmermann
77
I remember when Marlon Anderson was still an underperforming rookie on the Phillies.
2006-09-28 11:13:25
83.   capdodger
81 - 76 was accompanied by a somewhat resigned shrug, for what it's worth...
2006-09-28 11:13:39
84.   philmc78
81 - Absolutely.

By the way, did anyone else hear Grady Little on Jim Rome's show this morning?

2006-09-28 11:13:58
85.   underdog
Maybe they should try setting Brad Penny on fire; seemed to have helped Lowe get through it yesterday, if only obliquely.
2006-09-28 11:14:37
86.   Benaiah
81 - His spot is secure either way in my opinion. No way Grady yanks Penny in favor of... Kuo? Bills? I think Penny will get a start in the postseason (should that happen) and maybe even the game 2 start if Maddux and Lowe do end up pitching in San Fran.
2006-09-28 11:15:56
87.   dianagramr
78

I (heart) Bob ....

(in the literary sense)

2006-09-28 11:16:11
88.   MMSMikey
86, what are you kidding me? i think grady would easily take kuo over penny right now.
2006-09-28 11:16:58
89.   underdog
If Pedro Martinez's spot in the Mets' rotation is secure, I think Penny is safe unless he is "officially" denoted as hurt.
2006-09-28 11:17:13
90.   dianagramr
84

Jim Rome makes my skin crawl .... I'm mad that my local ESPN radio station ditched GameNight to put his show on ...

2006-09-28 11:17:24
91.   Griffon64
I would have loved to see the Dodgers' A-affiliate back in Bakersfield! Plus they could just send guys on a hour-anna-bit drive over the Grapevine for rehab and stuff.

But well, having them in California at all is already nice.

2006-09-28 11:17:28
92.   capdodger
86- I'd pitch Kuo against the Mets. They can't hit southpaws.
2006-09-28 11:17:36
93.   dianagramr
7-0 Blue Jays still batting top 4
2006-09-28 11:17:46
94.   MMSMikey
Pedro is going to the bullpen. Or might even be left off the roster for the 1st round.
2006-09-28 11:18:20
95.   bhsportsguy
89 There is a report on ESPN.com that Pedro will not start in the first round.
2006-09-28 11:18:34
96.   adraymond
84
Did Grady say anything enlightening? Did he crack any good jokes?
2006-09-28 11:19:51
97.   Benaiah
88 - I would, I am not sure that Grady would. I think Penny will get a start unless he gives up 6-8 runs today.
2006-09-28 11:20:28
98.   dianagramr
95

Theo Epstein is satisfied ...

2006-09-28 11:22:54
99.   bhsportsguy
77 I don't think Marlon Anderson is the Dodger starting LF of the future but he has been hitting and you can't really argue his being out there right now.
2006-09-28 11:27:41
100.   Telemachos
69 I've never read as much Spider Robinson as I should've, but I'm quite interested in his "co-authoring" of Heinlein's manuscript. And I should give some of his other novels a try -- his "Rah RAH R.A.H.!" essay is one of my faves.
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2006-09-28 11:30:37
101.   Penarol1916
I thought that Kuo was not on the postseason roster. Has something changed recently?
2006-09-28 11:31:11
102.   dianagramr
http://tinyurl.com/hbvkw

who ordered the minor league park factors around here?

(you're welcome) :-)

2006-09-28 11:32:11
103.   Bob Timmermann
101
Kuo was called up on 8/31 so the Dodgers wouldn't even have to lie to get him on the roster.
2006-09-28 11:32:27
104.   Jon Weisman
101 - The postseason roster hasn't been set yet - wouldn't be until after the last regular season game.
2006-09-28 11:32:54
105.   50 years a Dodger Fan
99 Almost always when Nomar sits and Lugo plays, Little hits him third in Nomar's spot. Why isn't he doing that with Loney, with his .380 average (albeit AAA)? Anderson has played well, been a real surprise and big help, but in the three hole, I'd prefer someone with a higher OBP than Anderson. Lugo hitting third? That defies any attempt to explain, but for God's sakes, I'd hit Kuo there before Lugo! I'm not upset with Anderson there, just saying I'd have put Loney in that spot. Another case of Rookie Prejudice as I see it.
2006-09-28 11:33:50
106.   Benaiah
101 - Unless something horrific happens tomorrow I don't see how Kuo couldn't be on the postseason roster.
2006-09-28 11:34:13
107.   Dark Horse
99-That is very true. Sometimes I wonder about levels of rookie fetishism, around here and elsewhere. I love our young players to pieces, imagine Andre Ethier and Matt Kemp to be deeply germane to the future--and variously germane to the present--yet the decision to start Marlon Anderson over both of them, considering how Anderson's played since we picked him up, doesn't seem to me to represent any failure of imagination or managerial foolishness. It just seems like common sense. The term "seasoned veteran" gets applied sarcastically, but who would you rather have coming up--now, not next year or three months ago--with a game on the line, Nomar (gimpy leg and all) or Matt Kemp, guaranteed to see nothing but outside breaking pitches he hasn't yet proven he can hit?

I'd take almost anyone off our bench in that situation--Ramon Martinez, even--before I would Kemp. Yet I'd rather keep Kemp, for the long haul, than I would 80 percent of our ballclub. Marlon's an intelligent choice, for today, is all. For today.

2006-09-28 11:34:55
108.   Benaiah
105 - Loney actually might be a good #8, he always makes contact so that will give anyone on base a chance before the pitcher's spot comes up.
2006-09-28 11:36:05
109.   underdog
... if we make the postseason that is. (Sorry, I'm feeling even more superstitious than usual.)

And wow, that'd be amazing if Pedro isn't even on their postseason roster - could they add him if they then made the championship round?

2006-09-28 11:37:07
110.   Nagman
84 Entering The Jungle insures good karma... or so Rome says.
2006-09-28 11:37:26
111.   Penarol1916
104. I thought he had been called up 9/1, not 8/31. I meant I thought that he was ineligble for the post-season roster, poor choice of wording on my part, sorry about that. Since Bob corrected me anyway, it's not an issue.
2006-09-28 11:39:42
112.   bhsportsguy
I just don't think you can look at September and determine that Grady has any problems playing rookies.

Generally, he played them in May and June due to injuries but once Ethier and Martin (especially Russ) established themselves, in they stayed and through the first part of September Ethier played nearly every day.

Now, I will say that had Ethier's slump happened before this time, he would have probably been allowed to play through it, it just happened that Anderson starting hitting almost from the time he got here so he replaced Ethier for the time being.

I know that I believe you said that you temdend to comment from the heart so I won't take the talk too seriously but I don't think labeling Grady as having a bias against young players is valid.

2006-09-28 11:41:39
113.   Bob Timmermann
Actually according to MLB.com, Kuo was called up on 8/30. Hamulack was sent down at the time.

And you can change your roster between rounds of the playoffs.

2006-09-28 11:44:06
114.   Dark Horse
I believe that choice to call up Kuo a day before the deadline was done with the playoffs in mind, actually. It wouldn't have made much sense otherwise.
2006-09-28 11:44:32
115.   philmc78
Here are the numbers...
PENNY vs. KUO in a series against the Mets:
Mets probable starters (Wright, Lo Duca, Reyes, Beltran, Valentin, Floyd, Green and Delgado) vs. RHP: .290 BA, .792 team OPS
Mets probable starters vs. LHP: .268 BA, .739 team OPS

Penny's stats since August 18 (33 IP): 32 ER, 5 HR, 17 BB, 36 K
Kuo's stats since September 2 (27.1 IP): 8 ER, 1 HR, 9 BB, 36 K

I'd go with Kuo over Penny at this point.

2006-09-28 11:45:36
116.   bhsportsguy
107 I think most fans who populate places like DT tend to like rookies because they have taken the time to follow them from their signing and also if they are astute fans, they know they are inexpensive and also present a higher ceiling than "established" veterans.

I think the difference between Russ and Andre and guys like Kemp and Loney is that Russ and Andre have 3 to 4 times as at bats as the other guys so they should have both the confidence and some knowledge on how teams are going to pitch them whereas Kemp is going to see breaking balls and Loney is mostly a mystery.

2006-09-28 11:47:38
117.   philmc78
Grady was pretty good, but he didn't let anything really good fly. He did a lot of coach-speak and talked about how great Nomar and Lowe have been recently. Nothing too big, but it's nice to get some potential Jungle Karma.
2006-09-28 11:47:39
118.   bhsportsguy
Dan Patrick is having fun with TO's publicist using the word "statue" instead of "stature" in the sentence, "When I see man of that statue (sic)"
2006-09-28 11:48:12
119.   Benaiah
I was thinking that we should do a "guess the playoff roster" contest, should we actually get into the playoffs.
2006-09-28 11:48:18
120.   Jon Weisman
As long as Kuo was on the 40-man roster, it's not even an issue. And even if he weren't, the Dodgers could make it work.
2006-09-28 11:49:16
121.   ToyCannon
Given how Merlin has been hitting I think it is about time to move him up to the 3 spot. Ride the wild wave when you can, it may never happen again. Funny how such an inconsequential pickup may be the catalyst that propels the Dodgers into the postseason. I can never recall a late pickup like this having such an impact. Especially a player with such a mediocre history. Winn was acquired by the Giants at the trading deadline so he doesn't count.

400/452/855/1307 OPS
That is just sick I don't care if it is only 55 at bats.

2006-09-28 11:49:29
122.   still bevens
144 Kuo was called up because the night before the Dodgers played a loooong extra innings game and they thought they would need extra bullpen help.
2006-09-28 11:49:39
123.   MMSMikey
115
those are some great stats that get right to the point. its OBVIOUS who the choice should be.
2006-09-28 11:50:41
124.   bhsportsguy
122 Obviously anticipating more Kuo talk in the future.
2006-09-28 11:51:34
125.   bhsportsguy
120 Jon, isn't it time for you take your break away from DT until the game ends, if I am correct, it has seemed to work out the last few days.
2006-09-28 11:52:49
126.   ssjames
122 How did you know what post 144 would be about in post 122? Do know what the Dodgers' final score will be today too?
2006-09-28 11:52:57
127.   ToyCannon
Aren't the Dodgers the only West Coast team that does not have a team in Arizona? The Vero Beach history all started with Brooklyn, they should have moved to Arizona when the Giants did. For me this is about time. I love the Arizona spring training league. The stadiums are great, especially the new fields in Surprise and it will be easier for residents in LA to make the trek to ST then to fly to Florida.
2006-09-28 12:00:40
128.   Linkmeister
Sam, Telemachos: If you're sci-fi fans you might be interested to learn that John M. "Mike" Ford died over the weekend.

http://tinyurl.com/p3k3s

2006-09-28 12:05:07
129.   Bob Timmermann
The website, http://www.japanesebaseballdaily.com has a report, but without a link, that the Orix Buffaloes are interested in getting Mariano Duncan to manage their team next year.

The guy who runs that site, Gary Garland, does stop by the Toaster from time to time. Orix was 52-81-3 this year.

2006-09-28 12:07:10
130.   ssjames
And we're underway with Furcal singling to right. Kim seems like a good bet to steal against.
2006-09-28 12:07:47
131.   Telemachos
128 I saw that, from your link a couple of days back. Very sad to hear.

"How Much for Just the Planet?" is one of the more delightful -- and certainly the most subversive -- story to come out of the official Star Trek canon. (Even if it ended up getting Ford blacklisted from the ST universe).

2006-09-28 12:08:11
132.   Benaiah
Ugh. I know Kenny has been good with a bat this year, but I just don't root for him at all. I never feel good when he is at bat.
2006-09-28 12:08:11
133.   StolenMonkey86
Anderson as a 3 hitter, take 1
2006-09-28 12:08:22
134.   JoeyP
DP- Lofton.
Furcal's September might be the best month he's ever had in his career.

95ABs- close to a .400 average with an OPS over 1.000

2006-09-28 12:08:31
135.   philmc78
Nice patented DP by Lofton.
2006-09-28 12:09:25
136.   bhsportsguy
I love the second by second comments when the game is going on.
2006-09-28 12:12:41
137.   Bob Timmermann
If we truly had second by second comments for an entire game, we'd usually get 10,800 comments.
2006-09-28 12:12:43
138.   bhsportsguy
I noticed that only Penny and Kim have pitched in all 6 series between the teams this year.
2006-09-28 12:13:31
139.   bhsportsguy
137 You get the gist, but I did exaggerate.
2006-09-28 12:13:32
140.   StolenMonkey86
aiye

leadoff double by Kaz

2006-09-28 12:14:03
141.   Benaiah
Great start by Penny. Good to see that he isn't wasting any time in proving that he shouldn't pitch in the postseason. If I was Little I would be one batter away from having Chad warm up.
2006-09-28 12:14:08
142.   dianagramr
134
This is his best September, at least

Season AB Hits BA OBA Slug%
2000 104 32 .308 .429 .462
2002 80 17 .212 .259 .350
2003 100 32 .320 .369 .440
2004 101 24 .238 .286 .337
2005 103 33 .320 .383 .437
2006 98 38 .388 .436 .663

2006-09-28 12:14:30
143.   Bob Timmermann
Penny definitely seems to have a stiff or sore back.

"Definitely seems" is a great way to hedge what you say by the way.

2006-09-28 12:15:08
144.   dianagramr
137

Ah, a literalist ....

(I've found my home)

2006-09-28 12:15:30
145.   Benaiah
Two batters in Penny still hasn't gotten a single strike past anyone.
2006-09-28 12:15:57
146.   D4P
143
Wouldn't just plain "seems" be a safer way of hedging?
2006-09-28 12:16:01
147.   Benaiah
145 - Whew. A called strike to batter three.
2006-09-28 12:16:06
148.   dianagramr
Vin made a cute comment about fans seeing both sides of the Penny this year ...
2006-09-28 12:16:30
149.   StolenMonkey86
nice K by Penny
2006-09-28 12:16:38
150.   Josh G
A strike out? What's Penny thinking?
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2006-09-28 12:16:40
151.   Benaiah
Wow, I am the anti jinx. My negativity is a good luck charm.
2006-09-28 12:18:05
152.   Josh G
Bring on Bills.
2006-09-28 12:18:14
153.   dianagramr
Well trade you Pedro for Penny ...
2006-09-28 12:18:22
154.   Benaiah
That's it. Bring in Billz.
2006-09-28 12:18:32
155.   Bob Timmermann
146
"Definitely seems" lets you both hedge and seem assured of what you're saying!
2006-09-28 12:18:59
156.   Benaiah
No seriously Grady, take Penny out of the game.
2006-09-28 12:19:14
157.   Josh G
At least this game isn't important.
2006-09-28 12:19:24
158.   Eric Enders
At this point the question is no longer whether Penny should make the postseason roster -- it's whether he should be allowed to pitch for the Dodgers ever again.
2006-09-28 12:19:37
159.   philmc78
You guys still want Penny to make a postseason start?
2006-09-28 12:20:12
160.   Benaiah
The dark side of playing through pain. This is why I hate the whole: "he's a gamer" tag on some guys. Penny isn't playing the same game that everyone else is. In pitching, like golf, the lowest score wins.
2006-09-28 12:20:18
161.   adraymond
wow, this is gettin gugly fast
2006-09-28 12:20:28
162.   Eric Enders
What reliever on our roster can warm up the fastest?
2006-09-28 12:20:46
163.   adraymond
really gugly
2006-09-28 12:20:47
164.   bigcpa
DePo should have listened to his scouts!
2006-09-28 12:21:02
165.   blue22
anyone up in the pen yet?
2006-09-28 12:21:10
166.   StolenMonkey86
I smell a Plaschke column cooking.
2006-09-28 12:21:34
167.   kngoworld
Billz is warming.
2006-09-28 12:21:43
168.   Benaiah
I feel my lunch coming up.
2006-09-28 12:21:52
169.   dianagramr
Dodger broadcasts don't show the pitch speeds?
2006-09-28 12:21:59
170.   Bob Timmermann
I have the utmost faith in Mike O'Connor.
2006-09-28 12:22:00
171.   Eric Enders
166 In this case, for once, his righteous indignation will be justified.
2006-09-28 12:22:09
172.   philmc78
I thought we traded Odalis Perez to the Royals.
2006-09-28 12:22:22
173.   Jon Weisman
158 - "ever again?"
2006-09-28 12:22:46
174.   Bob Timmermann
169
I think it depends upon the production facilities available at each stadium.
2006-09-28 12:22:46
175.   Benaiah
167 - Thank god. This is daytime television after all. This should be TV-MA for sure.
2006-09-28 12:23:50
176.   Eric Enders
173 I meant what I said... call it a little vindictiveness mixed with common sense.
2006-09-28 12:24:07
177.   dianagramr
Kim has 8 hits on the year .... uh oh
2006-09-28 12:24:23
178.   Benaiah
And herein lies Rich Lederer's point about K/9. Penny is doing pretty well in that stat.
2006-09-28 12:24:48
179.   Josh G
If Penny finishes the pitcher off, do you let him come out next inning?
2006-09-28 12:25:20
180.   D4P
2006 ERA

Penny: 4.33
Hendrickson: 4.26

2006-09-28 12:25:28
181.   blue22
You'd have to assume Penny will at least be shopped this offseason. He's not a "Ned guy", and if he can get good value from a team that needs pitching, I wouldn't put it past him.
2006-09-28 12:25:52
182.   Eric Enders
179 Absolutely not. The game is still winnable at this point if we get another pitcher in there.
2006-09-28 12:25:57
183.   dianagramr
178

Javier Vazquez is the same way this year .... 7.5 Ks per 9 / ERA around 5

2006-09-28 12:26:20
184.   philmc78
Absolutely pathetic first inning, Penny.
2006-09-28 12:26:28
185.   JoeyP
This isnt out of character for Brad Penny.
In 2003 with the Marlins, he was struggling bad at the end of the year and McKeon actually pulled him from the rotation. i'm not sure if he started in the NLDS or NLCS.

But he did come back and pitch great in the World Series.

2006-09-28 12:27:04
186.   dianagramr
So is this "Penny for your 'Dodger Thoughts'"?
2006-09-28 12:27:17
187.   we are infinite
That was sad, man, sad. You gotta give him a shot in the 2nd, though. If a run scores and the situation is ugly, though, I'd yank 'im. Bring on Stults! Haha.
2006-09-28 12:27:48
188.   Griffon64
The worst of all is that Little is wiling to cook everybody's goose, to throw away the hard work by everybody all year on this team, in order to "show Penny he believes in him" or something. To be a player's manager or some such. How about the other 39 guys on the roster, though?

I hope after this Penny designates somebody else for that game ( should it be needed ).

2006-09-28 12:28:20
189.   Uncle Miltie
Is Penny secretly being paid by the Padres/Phillies? I'd bring in Billingsley next inning. I can't remember the last time Penny had a good start.

You have to wonder if Penny is tipping his pitches. How's his command? Is he able to locate his pitches or is he just throwing the ball down the middle? I've read that he hasn't been able to throw a good curveball in a while. Now is not the time for Penny to experience these kind of problems and he's been like this since the all star break.

2006-09-28 12:29:39
190.   JoeyP
6 straight balls for Kim to start the 2nd.
Thats the way to protect a lead.
2006-09-28 12:30:34
191.   StolenMonkey86
185 - he started in each of the first two rounds, but got pulled from the rotation in the NLCS (thus 2 relief appearances).
2006-09-28 12:30:46
192.   dzzrtRatt
Mr. Consistency!
2006-09-28 12:30:52
193.   blue22
189 - You have to go all the way back to Sept 13, a 7-innings of shutout ball against the Cubs.

Oh, you meant against a major-league offense?

2006-09-28 12:31:01
194.   Bluebleeder87
what happened i had to go run a chore?
2006-09-28 12:31:03
195.   still bevens
YAHTZEE
2006-09-28 12:31:24
196.   Uncle Miltie
DJ has been a beast this month.
2006-09-28 12:31:25
197.   Eric Enders
189 He doesn't even have to tip his pitches. That's exactly the problem -- batters have figured out that a very straight fastball is coming basically every time. They can look fastball all day long and just ignore the off-speed pitch which he throws once in a blue moon, because it's never in the strike zone anyway.
2006-09-28 12:31:29
198.   Bluebleeder87
well atleast we have men @ 2nd & 3rd & nobody out.
2006-09-28 12:31:43
199.   Bob Timmermann
Apparently no one can remember past September 14.

Penny threw 7 shutout innings in a 6-0 Dodgers in at Wrigley Field on 9/13.

2006-09-28 12:32:30
200.   Benaiah
Here we go boys! It is funny, we started the year as the get out ahead team, and we are ending it as the comeback kids.
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2006-09-28 12:32:32
201.   FelixP
Does anybody else think of saying "JD Drew" like those old "A.D. Do!" commercials?
2006-09-28 12:32:36
202.   still bevens
197 I dont understand why Penny is comfortable with using only 2 pitches and why Honeycutt doesnt seem to think this is a problem.
2006-09-28 12:32:36
203.   StolenMonkey86
194- Penny's line says it all: 3 runs, 4 hits, 2 walks, 3 K, 1 inning.
2006-09-28 12:32:49
204.   blue22
Here come the Tigers.

7-6, Blue Jays after being down 7-0.

2006-09-28 12:32:56
205.   Bluebleeder87
wow! pure dumb luck there.
2006-09-28 12:32:57
206.   Bob Timmermann
Penny's game log for 2006:
http://tinyurl.com/hupjk
2006-09-28 12:33:04
207.   bigcpa
YES! Echoes of the Nats 14th inning.
2006-09-28 12:33:37
208.   Bluebleeder87
what a collapse by Penny i swear.
2006-09-28 12:34:33
209.   StolenMonkey86
gameday doesn't want to say
2006-09-28 12:34:51
210.   capdodger
Gameday says "in-play no out recorded". It has to be a pretty special play for that to occur with 2nd and 3rd, no out...
2006-09-28 12:34:52
211.   StolenMonkey86
What'd Martin do?
2006-09-28 12:35:01
212.   Benaiah
209- What happened, how can there be no outs or runs on contact?
2006-09-28 12:35:11
213.   Bob Timmermann
204
But Sean Casey hit one of them rally-ending homers.
2006-09-28 12:35:12
214.   StolenMonkey86
ok, Kim forgot how force plays work
2006-09-28 12:35:31
215.   Bluebleeder87
i hope Kim throws a wild pitch here.
2006-09-28 12:35:35
216.   bigcpa
Wow Robles in the on-deck circle.
2006-09-28 12:35:45
217.   Bob Timmermann
Cuadrangular!
2006-09-28 12:35:49
218.   Bluebleeder87
thank you Loney!!!
2006-09-28 12:35:59
219.   StolenMonkey86
in play, run-scoring play
2006-09-28 12:36:00
220.   bigcpa
OHMYLORD
2006-09-28 12:36:04
221.   Bluebleeder87
would you guys send Penny back out there now!!
2006-09-28 12:36:09
222.   Benaiah
See, I knew Loney was back there for a reason.
2006-09-28 12:36:10
223.   blue22
Penny's in trouble. I don't think they let him bat with runners on.
2006-09-28 12:36:14
224.   dzzrtRatt
On the other hand, Loney might prosper in the 8-hole.

Yah!

2006-09-28 12:36:16
225.   adraymond
JAMESSSSSSSSSSSSS
2006-09-28 12:36:23
226.   xaphor
The battle for first base in '07 is on!
2006-09-28 12:36:25
227.   blue22
Oh. There you go.
2006-09-28 12:36:27
228.   StolenMonkey86
Loney hit a hell of a 2nd career homer!

He knows how to fill in for Nomar. :)

2006-09-28 12:36:29
229.   we are infinite
James Loney is a GOLDEN GOD.
2006-09-28 12:36:38
230.   overkill94
Wow, that totally looked like it would be a lazy fly ball. Does the Coors effect have much more bearing during the day?
2006-09-28 12:36:41
231.   JoeyP
Opposite field grand slam for Loney.
Thats um. a big hit.
2006-09-28 12:36:44
232.   Benaiah
Screw the nickel, let Billz take over.
2006-09-28 12:36:48
233.   blutomania
Loney has no power?

bluto!

2006-09-28 12:37:01
234.   dianagramr
Penny will be playing Blernsball next year at this rate.
2006-09-28 12:37:03
235.   Bluebleeder87
Grady just answered my question.
2006-09-28 12:37:09
236.   Uncle Miltie
Loney is a decent hitter...

Definitely bring in Billingsley next inning!

2006-09-28 12:37:16
237.   capdodger
All hail King James!
2006-09-28 12:37:26
238.   Jon Weisman
Big Game James.

201 - http://www.all-baseball.com/dodgerthoughts/archives/016810.html

2006-09-28 12:37:32
239.   JoeyP
I'm suprised they are pulling Penny this early after that Loney hit.
2006-09-28 12:37:33
240.   FelixP
Loney channels HSChoi
2006-09-28 12:37:37
241.   NPB
This is a team of density.
2006-09-28 12:37:40
242.   StolenMonkey86
236 - I don't think Robles is going to be the starter
2006-09-28 12:38:01
243.   dzzrtRatt
203 ...but his peripherals were fabulous!

I hope he's okay. I think Penny is hurt or maybe just in a slump. If the Dodgers make the post-season, I think he'll surprise everyone. In a good way.

2006-09-28 12:38:08
244.   Bob Timmermann
The Baseball Hall of Fame's Spanish-English baseball dictionary says the Spanish equivalent of "grand slam" is "grand slam".
2006-09-28 12:38:20
245.   StolenMonkey86
240 - except Loney already has more career triples
2006-09-28 12:38:28
246.   Benaiah
I can't believe that Robles is the first pinch hitter off the bench. I thought rosters expanded? I am sure he is a good guy, but seeing him on the time reminds me of evil days.
2006-09-28 12:38:53
247.   Jon Weisman
Actually, I might take Penny over Robles as a hitter.
2006-09-28 12:39:01
248.   JoeyP
Wow, that totally looked like it would be a lazy fly ball.

Maybe they arent using the humidor balls today.

2006-09-28 12:39:15
249.   capdodger
For those watching on TV: Is Penny flipping his lid in the dugout? Or does it seem he took himself out?
2006-09-28 12:39:16
250.   blue22
246 - In the first inning with the bases empty?

Not exactly "Saenz time".

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2006-09-28 12:39:40
251.   still bevens
Well Penny did a good job of kicking my fantasy team in the shins. Thanks Brad.
2006-09-28 12:39:54
252.   StolenMonkey86
Penny's hitting a mighty .185 to Robles' .156
2006-09-28 12:40:02
253.   dianagramr
Penny 2006: 9.81 hits and 7.05 Ks per 9

Here are the top 10 worst H/9 while averaging over 7 Ks per 9 in a season

HITS/9 IP YEAR H/9 IP SO/9 IP
1 Glendon Rusch 2001 10.86 7.84
2 Aaron Sele 1999 10.71 8.17
3 Doug Drabek 1996 10.68 7.03
4 Mark Leiter 1997 10.64 7.29
5 Bobby Witt 1996 10.59 7.08
6 Pedro Astacio 1998 10.53 7.31
7 Tom Gordon 1996 10.39 7.14
8 Javier Vazquez 1998 10.24 7.26
9 Javier Vazquez 2000 10.21 8.10
10 Dave Stewart 1994 10.19 7.49

2006-09-28 12:40:15
254.   Bob Timmermann
After Matsui got his double, the cameras briefly switched back to Penny and he looked like he was trying to stretch out his back.

He definitely seemed that he might have possibly hurt or slightly damaged his back or possibly something akin to an oblique.

2006-09-28 12:40:43
255.   Benaiah
250 - True, but there are other people... Young, Ethier, Lugo, Kemp, Repko or even Martinez.
2006-09-28 12:40:46
256.   Eric Enders
246 But that's exactly the situation in which you use your last guy off the bench. Which Robles basically is, along with Delwyn and Einar Diaz.
2006-09-28 12:40:52
257.   Bluebleeder87
is it just me or are we coming back alot more these days?
2006-09-28 12:41:00
258.   philmc78
Way to sack up out there today, Penny.
2006-09-28 12:41:03
259.   StolenMonkey86
There's gonna be Billz to pay now!
2006-09-28 12:41:13
260.   Bob Timmermann
Loney and Garciaparra's recent slams are KILLING the team's chances of breaking the LOB record. Just killing it!
2006-09-28 12:41:17
261.   Benaiah
And now the real game begins.
2006-09-28 12:41:27
262.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Billz's push for a slot in the playoff rotation begins... now.
2006-09-28 12:41:38
263.   JoeyP
Well, HR/9 and Bb/9 are pretty important peripherals, and they werent fabulous for Penny in the 1st.
2006-09-28 12:41:40
264.   still bevens
Hah. Also funny to hear the juxtaposition of Vin calling Loney's grand slam vs. Steiner calling the 5th HR miracle hit from the other Monday.
2006-09-28 12:41:44
265.   blutomania
FIRST PITCH STRIKES

Young Chad.

bluto!

2006-09-28 12:41:57
266.   Sam DC
201 There was a long , very funny discussion of that, veering into a whole poppourri of similar type commercials, around the time he was signed.
2006-09-28 12:41:59
267.   FelixP
they should change the pitcher every inning, keep the Rockies from getting comfortable.
2006-09-28 12:42:10
268.   dzzrtRatt
Penny was holding his head in his hands, right up until Loney's hit. He looked miserable.

I hope Honeycutt told Bills this was probably going to happen.

2006-09-28 12:42:32
269.   scareduck
238 - trying to see how that ties with Loney's jack.
2006-09-28 12:42:44
270.   blue22
253 - Seeing your list, I couldn't help but check...Bobby Witt also allowed almost 4.5 BB/9 that year too. While pitching in Texas.

Anyone want to play over/under on his ERA that year?

2006-09-28 12:43:04
271.   Benaiah
Just throw strikes Chad!
2006-09-28 12:43:08
272.   FelixP
266 - thanks. I hope they also referenced the "Stephen!!! Jack Stephen!!!" stuff that had the same actor...
2006-09-28 12:43:12
273.   bhsportsguy
I can return now.

This is strange how all of sudden in the last month and how the balls are flying out of sudden.

2006-09-28 12:43:16
274.   scareduck
269 - never mind.
2006-09-28 12:43:25
275.   Jon Weisman
Looking at my schedule, this could be the day a DT comment thread goes over 1,000. Unless I sneak in a quick post after the game.
2006-09-28 12:43:29
276.   Uncle Miltie
Somebody needs to tell Chad that he's facing Cory Sullivan!
2006-09-28 12:43:29
277.   Eric Enders
268 Do you think he really needed to be told? Even my little five-year-old nephew knew it would probably happen.
2006-09-28 12:43:56
278.   StolenMonkey86
how's Chad looking so far?
2006-09-28 12:44:47
279.   Sam DC
Jack Stefanonanovich was there.

I believe Jack LaLane made an appearance, not sure why.

2006-09-28 12:45:12
280.   bigcpa
The guy has a .322 OBP!
2006-09-28 12:45:12
281.   blue22
276 - Sullivan is "only" hitting .305 against LA this year.

Seems like he gets 4 hits a game against us.

2006-09-28 12:45:14
282.   Uncle Miltie
You can't walk Silky Sullivan, Chad!
2006-09-28 12:45:16
283.   Eric Enders
278 Not completely warmed up.
2006-09-28 12:45:31
284.   Benaiah
Hmm. This seems very similar to something, but I can't remembe what it is.
2006-09-28 12:45:49
285.   Bluebleeder87
DP Bills!
2006-09-28 12:46:00
286.   Eric Enders
279 Don't forget Jack Stefanski.

Those were great commercials.

2006-09-28 12:46:33
287.   dianagramr
253

same table, with ERA and bb/9 info added in

HITS/9 IP YEAR H/9 IP SO/9 IP BB/9 IP ERA
1 Glendon Rusch 2001 10.86 7.84 2.16 4.63
2 Aaron Sele 1999 10.71 8.17 3.07 4.79
3 Doug Drabek 1996 10.68 7.03 3.08 4.57
4 Mark Leiter 1997 10.64 7.29 3.15 5.67
5 Bobby Witt 1996 10.59 7.08 4.33 5.41
6 Pedro Astacio 1998 10.53 7.31 3.18 6.23
7 Tom Gordon 1996 10.39 7.14 4.38 5.59
8 Javier Vazquez 1998 10.24 7.26 3.55 6.06
9 Javier Vazquez 2000 10.21 8.10 2.52 4.05
10 Dave Stewart 1994 10.19 7.49 4.19 5.87

2006-09-28 12:46:55
288.   Eric Enders
Since MLB.tv is a little behind, I'm trying to figure out whether 285 is an exhortation or a statement of fact.
2006-09-28 12:47:26
289.   Bluebleeder87
Jack Stefanonanovich was there.

"me & spraklets water making friends"

2006-09-28 12:47:44
290.   JoeyP
That was a big out.
If Atkins takes, its bases loaded none out.
2006-09-28 12:47:48
291.   Shotupthemiddle
Jack Stepanino was my favorite.

I like the idea of different pitchers each inning. Get me Hendrickson, stat!

2006-09-28 12:47:56
292.   Benaiah
This is just my opinion and I have no scientific facts to back this up, but I think it is hard to go deep into games when you go to full counts against every batter.
2006-09-28 12:48:13
293.   blue22
285 - I don't want to seem like a jerk, but that's a little annoying to those of us following along online.
2006-09-28 12:48:20
294.   JoeyP
Wow, two big outs.
2006-09-28 12:48:23
295.   Sam DC
Pitch 1 - In play, out(s) recorded

It's a beautiful morning!

2006-09-28 12:48:29
296.   StolenMonkey86
Holliday gift?
2006-09-28 12:48:50
297.   Sam DC
Pitch 1 - In play, out(s) recorded

Another Perfect Day In La!

2006-09-28 12:48:57
298.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
(exhale)
2006-09-28 12:49:10
299.   StolenMonkey86
Chad Billingsley just got two first pitch outs.
2006-09-28 12:49:11
300.   adraymond
first pitch swinging is perfect. keep doing it rocks!
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2006-09-28 12:49:14
301.   Bluebleeder87
293 i am sorry
2006-09-28 12:49:27
302.   Benaiah
Thank you Chad, a Rocky start, but you did put down 3-4-5 no problem.
2006-09-28 12:49:38
303.   JoeyP
Thank you Rockies.
3 pitches 3 outs.

Maybe their impatience will mask Bills potential wildness.

2006-09-28 12:49:42
304.   Daniel Zappala
Proof that Grady Little reads Dodger Thoughts: he has done exactly what was proposed here last week, namely hit for the starting pitcher the first chance possible, then use your 'real' starter for the next five. :-)
2006-09-28 12:49:52
305.   Jon Weisman
I repeat:

http://www.all-baseball.com/dodgerthoughts/archives/016810.html

2006-09-28 12:50:14
306.   blue22
301 - Like I said, not trying to be a jerk. Try prefacing with "c'mon let's get a..." or something to that effect.
2006-09-28 12:50:20
307.   Benaiah
299 - What? No exclamation point?
2006-09-28 12:50:36
308.   Benaiah
Plus Kenny can't hit into a DP if he is leading off.
2006-09-28 12:50:37
309.   Bluebleeder87
you kind of can't blame Penny if he's hurt, he's just trying to be a good soldier & take the ball every 5th day.
2006-09-28 12:50:50
310.   adraymond
anyone think that broxton is available today? i would guess not, but he may be needed.
2006-09-28 12:51:14
311.   Shotupthemiddle
293 I agree. There's got to be some sort of system that differentiates posts of "fact" and posts of "please God I hope this happens"
2006-09-28 12:51:15
312.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Provided LA gets that far, is there justification for keeping Penny in the rotation? The guy hasn't pitched well in two months, and it's getting old wondering, every fifth day, whether this is the game where he snaps out of his funk.
2006-09-28 12:51:22
313.   xaphor
286. Not if you're named Steven.

If there is one thing that is universally loved by people of all ages, it is poorly thought-out nicknames.

2006-09-28 12:51:33
314.   StolenMonkey86
307- I'm still trying to comprehend it.

Any word on Penny's health? I hope he hasn't pulled a Gagne.

2006-09-28 12:53:01
315.   regfairfield
Brad Penny DIPS ERA pre-All star break: 3.54
Brad Penny DIPS ERA post-All star break: 4.45

Like I said a couple days ago, lucky in the first half, very unlucky in the second half.

2006-09-28 12:53:33
316.   StolenMonkey86
Lofton steals #30. He's only 28 homers away from a 30-30 year!
2006-09-28 12:53:55
317.   Gen3Blue
Howdy- I just got on-I forgot it was a day game! Apparently Penny didn't start, or worse sucked the first inning up.
I still say we should try Loney.(ha ha)
2006-09-28 12:54:22
318.   StolenMonkey86
315 - but his pitching definitely dipped a bit. :)
2006-09-28 12:55:08
319.   thinkblue0
I'm late....Did Penny just get knocked out? Did he get hurt? Someone fill me in.
2006-09-28 12:55:17
320.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
When did Loney hit his first home run? I just noticed this was his second.
2006-09-28 12:55:18
321.   Bluebleeder87
i like our chances of scoring this inning
2006-09-28 12:55:37
322.   regfairfield
318 Oh yes, he has been pitching worse, he just shouldn't be nearly this bad.
2006-09-28 12:55:46
323.   Shotupthemiddle
Anderson walks. 1st & 2nd, no one out.
2006-09-28 12:55:51
324.   JoeyP
Kim's got nothing today.
50 pitches, Only Marlon Anderson has swung and missed. He did it twice.
2006-09-28 12:56:30
325.   gibsonhobbs88
Bills has proved himself a True Dodger, getting himself in trouble and then pitching himself out of trouble against the heart of the Rockies order. Way to keep true to the nature of the Dodgers! :)

Also, thank you Loney for getting the team back in the lead so quickly! Is this Gehrig subbing in for Pipp? all over again?

2006-09-28 12:56:32
326.   Benaiah
Hmm Penny isn't the only pitcher struggling.
2006-09-28 12:56:34
327.   Eric Enders
315 In Penny's case, though, I don't think it's merely that he has been hit-unlucky. Those extra hits have not been lucky dunkers that happened to fall in somewhere. They have been absolute rockets, balls that were smoked because the batter knew exactly what was coming. That's something DIPS can't really account for.
2006-09-28 12:56:36
328.   Sam DC
305 I was wrong, no Jack LaLane. Must've been a something different, or perhaps a follow up.

That also reminds me of the time we talked about the afterschool game "pow" where you'd call up and yell pow, pow, pow into phone.

It was interactive!

2006-09-28 12:56:42
329.   Uncle Miltie
Clutch HBP by Kent!
2006-09-28 12:56:43
330.   StolenMonkey86
Adee do!
2006-09-28 12:56:50
331.   adraymond
oh boy, bases loaded with no outs once again
2006-09-28 12:57:07
332.   bhsportsguy
I like our chances against the Rockies' pen.
2006-09-28 12:57:22
333.   blutomania
Anyone up in the Rox pen?

Drew's been on fire, gotta like the Blue's chances in this situation...

bluto

2006-09-28 12:57:36
334.   bigcpa
Gotta hit Olmedo here.
2006-09-28 12:57:44
335.   JoeyP
Dodgers may get double digit runs today.
2006-09-28 12:57:48
336.   we are infinite
C'mon, J.D.! This is looking great!
2006-09-28 12:57:52
337.   blutomania
Ignore the first question in the above post...

Hampson?

bluto

2006-09-28 12:57:56
338.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers next extra base hit will tie the LA team record at 504. That was the 2000 team.

The 1953 Brooklyn Dodgers had 541 XBHs.

The 2003 Red Sox had 649 XBHs. The 2003 Red Sox scored 961 runs.

And the manager of that team was Grady Little.

(Any resemblance between that comment and the work of Jayson Stark is purely coincidental.)

2006-09-28 12:57:58
339.   Benaiah
Its always nice to have a pitcher like Justin Hampson waiting in the wings, when you are batting that is.
2006-09-28 12:58:14
340.   Uncle Miltie
334- are you kidding me? Drew has been the Dodgers best hitter this month.
2006-09-28 12:58:19
341.   StolenMonkey86
322 - yeah.

I was hoping someone would acknowledge the pun, but no dice I guess.

2006-09-28 12:58:29
342.   Jon Weisman
328 - cherished memories
2006-09-28 12:58:32
343.   adraymond
Anyone know wh's going on in Pittsburgh? Is that one gonna get underway any time soon?
2006-09-28 12:58:35
344.   bhsportsguy
325 What is it, whoever plays first for Nomar, hits a home run in his first at-bat (small sample size).
2006-09-28 12:58:59
345.   StolenMonkey86
334- why? They already hit Kent.
2006-09-28 13:00:13
346.   regfairfield
327 MLB.com doesn't have groundball to flyball ratio, so I can't say if Penny is allowing more ground balls, but far more outs in the second half have come on the ground than in the air. Maybe those rockets were getting caught in the first half.

Admittedly, it does seem like he's giving up far more hard hit balls recently, but I can't say for sure.

2006-09-28 13:00:24
347.   Bob Timmermann
Rain is in the forecast for Pittsburgh all day, all night, and into the morning. It may just be a matter of how hard of a rain they want to play in. It could be Game 4 1977 NLCS rain.
2006-09-28 13:00:29
348.   StolenMonkey86
the opponents batting stats for this pitcher are 3 homers for 50 AB
2006-09-28 13:00:54
349.   regfairfield
341 Oh, I did.
2006-09-28 13:01:20
350.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
338 - But how does this affect Frank Tanana?
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2006-09-28 13:01:32
351.   xaphor
Drew with the RWI.
2006-09-28 13:01:40
352.   Bluebleeder87
wow thay walked in the run.
2006-09-28 13:01:52
353.   Uncle Miltie
Selfish walk by DJ :)
2006-09-28 13:01:52
354.   JoeyP
Double Digit runs..i'm caling it.
I'm thinking 13 runs today.
2006-09-28 13:02:00
355.   scareduck
J.D. Drew gets an exciting clutch walk.
2006-09-28 13:02:06
356.   Benaiah
Way to come in and shut down the opposition Justin.
2006-09-28 13:02:07
357.   Bluebleeder87
what's the record for must grand slams in a game?
2006-09-28 13:02:17
358.   thinkblue0
UGH.

What happened with penny? Can someone PLEASE answer for me?

2006-09-28 13:02:20
359.   blutomania
Drew! Drew!

Wonder what Simers will say about JD's recent play...Probably nothing.

bluto

2006-09-28 13:02:34
360.   StolenMonkey86
346- http://tinyurl.com/hpwkh

you can add them up if you want the ratio

2006-09-28 13:02:47
361.   Benaiah
Single, walk, second grand salami of the game by Loney?
2006-09-28 13:03:01
362.   overkill94
Why is gimpy Kent trying to score on that?
2006-09-28 13:03:19
363.   overkill94
He was safe!
2006-09-28 13:03:34
364.   Eric Enders
Lousy baserunning by Kent or lousy base coaching by you-know-who?
2006-09-28 13:03:37
365.   Linkmeister
That replay showed Kent was safe.
2006-09-28 13:03:46
366.   dzzrtRatt
As Murray Chass points out in today's NY Times, the Dodgers wouldn't be the only playoff team with their #1 pitcher a question mark. The Mets, Yankees, Tigers, Cardinals and A's all have issues with their top starter.
2006-09-28 13:03:47
367.   scareduck
346 - oh yes they do. It's on the second page of the stats.
2006-09-28 13:04:17
368.   Gen3Blue
I'll be damned, Kent did beat the tag.
2006-09-28 13:04:22
369.   scareduck
364 - Vinny says it was a bad call.
2006-09-28 13:04:23
370.   blue22
358 - Smacked around. Pinch hit for in the next inning.

Probably due to back spasms. Definitely ineffective.

2006-09-28 13:04:23
371.   xaphor
Kent was robbed. Umps are in on the conspiracy.
2006-09-28 13:04:25
372.   JoeyP
It wont matter since this games gonna be a blow out, but you never want to make the 1st out of an inning at home plate.
2006-09-28 13:04:44
373.   StolenMonkey86
Kent doesn't think much of Kaz's arm
2006-09-28 13:04:44
374.   Eric Enders
He was safe, but it was still an unconscionably dumb play with nobody out.
2006-09-28 13:04:50
375.   Bob Timmermann
No team has ever hit more than 2 grand slams in a game. There have been two games where there were 3 overall.
2006-09-28 13:05:22
376.   blutomania
Hmmm.

Do you pitch to Loney here?

bluto

2006-09-28 13:05:23
377.   regfairfield
367 It's ground outs to air outs. No clue why they use that.
2006-09-28 13:05:32
378.   thinkblue0
370-

GAH! If we get into the playoffs we really need him to be at the top of his game.

Another hit by Loney!

2006-09-28 13:05:40
379.   dzzrtRatt
358 There's been no report. Scully is talking like the Dodgers took him out only because he was pitching so poorly and they didn't want to risk further damage in a key game. He was in the dugout, looking very depressed. But there's no report yet to suggest a new injury.
2006-09-28 13:05:45
380.   Eric Enders
I'm guessing Loney lit this guy up in the PCL this year.
2006-09-28 13:05:47
381.   Bluebleeder87
Loney is having a nice day today.
2006-09-28 13:05:49
382.   overkill94
Come on Loney, you have to get the triple on that one to pad your totals.
2006-09-28 13:05:55
383.   scareduck
James drives in six all by his Loney-some.
2006-09-28 13:05:56
384.   WellsforKemp
did Rich Donnelly strike again or was that Kent's idiocy
2006-09-28 13:06:13
385.   Bob Timmermann
XBH #504!
2006-09-28 13:06:14
386.   we are infinite
James Loney is SO HOT RIGHT NOW.
2006-09-28 13:06:18
387.   NPB
Time for the day's first beer! Or bong hit. Am I allowed to say bong hit here?
2006-09-28 13:06:18
388.   StolenMonkey86
double and homer by loney
2006-09-28 13:06:20
389.   Gen3Blue
372 Even now, with this team don't ever say we may not need a run:)
2006-09-28 13:06:25
390.   Linkmeister
Loney again? My goodness!
2006-09-28 13:06:27
391.   adraymond
Loney should start the next time Penny's place in the rotation comes up.
2006-09-28 13:06:27
392.   blutomania
375

Didn't one guy once hit two GS's in one inning? That's one record that will never be broken.

bluto

2006-09-28 13:06:29
393.   Uncle Miltie
Stupid Kent....

Loney could have had 7 rbis right now!

2006-09-28 13:06:29
394.   DodgerDodger
No reason to send him.
2006-09-28 13:06:36
395.   Benaiah
I think I will ride my bi*cycle* home today.
2006-09-28 13:06:42
396.   JoeyP
A low stress game for the Dodgers has to feel good going into SF.
2006-09-28 13:06:56
397.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Loney is having quite a week today.
2006-09-28 13:07:17
398.   StolenMonkey86
384 - apparently it was E-Holbrook
2006-09-28 13:07:24
399.   Bluebleeder87
o.k. Bills you're coming up to pitch just throw strikes!
2006-09-28 13:07:25
400.   adraymond
392
Fernando Tatis, against the Dodgers
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2006-09-28 13:07:33
401.   Linkmeister
392 I think that was Tony Cloninger, a pitcher for the Braves.

Imagine if you're the Phillies watching this score.

2006-09-28 13:07:38
402.   Gen3Blue
Loney's got no power. and who wants a .360 hitter with no power, anywat?
2006-09-28 13:07:39
403.   Bob Timmermann
384
Since Kent was really safe, I don't think you can blame anyone.
2006-09-28 13:07:59
404.   Benaiah
392 - Against the Dodgers. Chan Ho gascan was pitching.
2006-09-28 13:08:18
405.   Eric Enders
387 Only if you share.
2006-09-28 13:08:24
406.   Bluebleeder87
392

i remember that game very well, Park was the pitcher.

2006-09-28 13:08:24
407.   gibsonhobbs88
Wow! Loney is bucking for "Hero of the Pennant drive" with this performance, 6 RBI by the 3rd inning, YES!!!

Can someone tell Donnelly that Kent and Nomar can't move like they used to.

2006-09-28 13:09:02
408.   Jon Weisman
Game on in Pittsburgh.
2006-09-28 13:09:13
409.   Uncle Miltie
393- I shouldn't blame Kent, it's Rich Donnelly's fault. I think he may be a worse 3B coach than Glenn Hoffman.
2006-09-28 13:09:24
410.   blue22
Nomar, I told you I'd be true
But Loney's got a big ol' bat
So I'm leavin' you.
2006-09-28 13:09:35
411.   scareduck
Penny's back acting up apparently, stiffnesss.
2006-09-28 13:09:38
412.   dianagramr
MLB.COM does have it, its here ... http://tinyurl.com/zdct7

I did the parsing for you

SEASON GO/AO
2000 1.33
2001 1.54
2002 1.29
2003 1.24
2004 1.14 (FLA)
2004 0.93 (LA)
2005 1.21
2006 1.28

2006-09-28 13:09:47
413.   WellsforKemp
Since Kent was really safe, I don't think you can blame anyone.

true........Loney makes it all better anyway though...

2006-09-28 13:10:46
414.   Eric Enders
The thing about Tatis is that both were off the same pitcher, which is a record that will never be broken if they play baseball another 5 million years.

Of course, the logical extension of that statement is that if baseball is played for another 5 million years, there will never be another manager as clueless in handling his pitching staff as...

2006-09-28 13:10:55
415.   regfairfield
412 That's ground outs to air outs.
2006-09-28 13:11:02
416.   Bluebleeder87
387

i'm on my 3rd my self.

2006-09-28 13:11:19
417.   scareduck
Can't hate on Tulo too much. Ex-Dirtbag, you know. Especially when he K's in a critical situation against the Dodgers and fails to advance the runner the other time.

What are they thinking, bringing him up from AA?

2006-09-28 13:11:29
418.   blutomania
First pitch strikes rock.

bluto

2006-09-28 13:11:30
419.   DodgerDodger
403 - Even if he had been called safe, it was still the wrong decision.
2006-09-28 13:11:34
420.   JoeyP
Wow, down by 5 runs and your swinging at the first pitch.
2006-09-28 13:11:41
421.   joekings
If we were down 8-3 I'd be saying it's an insourmountable lead, now we're up 8-3 and it doesn't seem like nearly enough.
2006-09-28 13:12:19
422.   bhsportsguy
We probably always remember the guys thrown out but I am sure (as Vinny says) evens out during the year.
2006-09-28 13:12:52
423.   bigcpa
419 Dino Ebell would have sent Loney too.
2006-09-28 13:13:01
424.   WellsforKemp
I love the fact that John Kruk and Buster Olney will doom the Dodgers playoff chances now dead because of the fact that Penny could be done for the year...
2006-09-28 13:13:45
425.   Jon Weisman
I don't think you can ever send a runner home with under two out unless you think he's gonna score standing up or you really hate who's on deck.
2006-09-28 13:14:10
426.   adraymond
chad loves pitches. he always throws so many.
2006-09-28 13:14:14
427.   StolenMonkey86
on Gameday, Chad threw 3 balls at once.

If the throws them one at a time he has a better shot at hitting the strike zone

2006-09-28 13:14:34
428.   joekings
someone needs to tell bills to throw strikes with a 5 run lead.
2006-09-28 13:14:57
429.   blutomania
424

What's wrong with Penny?

bluto

2006-09-28 13:15:16
430.   dianagramr
425
.... or you like futile collisions at the plate
2006-09-28 13:15:20
431.   Bluebleeder87
fake & a look annoys stadium crowds
2006-09-28 13:15:22
432.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the LA record for RBI in a game is 8 by Ron Cey against the Padres on July 31, 1974. Cody Ross had 7 RBI in a game earlier this year.

Gil Hodges had 9 RBIs in a game in 1950. He also hit four home runs in that game.

2006-09-28 13:15:49
433.   StolenMonkey86
who's hurt?
2006-09-28 13:15:54
434.   Bob Timmermann
Tigers lose 8-6.
2006-09-28 13:16:25
435.   Greg S
Once again speaking to the depth of the team... we could be without Nomar or Penny going into postseason and I would still feel good about the team.
2006-09-28 13:16:44
436.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Injury?
2006-09-28 13:17:09
437.   xaphor
Kaz fouled one of his knee, but he's up again.
2006-09-28 13:17:11
438.   StolenMonkey86
what's the injury delay?

Gameday reports injured back for Penny

2006-09-28 13:17:17
439.   Eric Enders
422 I don't really get it. We shouldn't worry about making reckless and stupid baserunning decisions because it will all even out in the end anyway?

Sounds like a good philosophy. For team that wants to finish last.

2006-09-28 13:17:28
440.   dianagramr
Jays hang on to beat Tigers, 8-6.
2006-09-28 13:17:28
441.   Benaiah
424 - I can see it now.

"The Dodgers have been getting it done on pitching all year, and now when they need it most it fails them. This is a huge loss..."

"Yeah, Krukie, that offence is suspect especially with Nomar out. He has carried them all year long..."

2006-09-28 13:17:31
442.   StolenMonkey86
437 - thank you
2006-09-28 13:17:38
443.   xaphor
437. *off
2006-09-28 13:17:59
444.   Bluebleeder87
anybody here making the trip up north for the finally?
2006-09-28 13:18:19
445.   joekings
why am i even trying to get work done, i think i've looked at the same line of code about 5 times now.
2006-09-28 13:18:23
446.   Bob Timmermann
439
Eric must not be a disciple of Rex Hudler.
2006-09-28 13:18:46
447.   blue22
435 - we could be without Nomar or Penny going into postseason and I would still feel good about the team.

Dare I say...I feel better about the team???

2006-09-28 13:19:02
448.   Eric Enders
443 For a second there, I thought you were really mad at somebody.
2006-09-28 13:19:26
449.   Bluebleeder87
i love that the Pads & Phills are score board watching today.
2006-09-28 13:19:39
450.   Jon Weisman
I've got home and away hits highlighted on Gameday, and the field looks like the face of a patient on "House."
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2006-09-28 13:20:13
451.   scareduck
432 - checking my copy of the media guide, you are correct, sir. I bow to your staggering grip of that bit of trivia.
2006-09-28 13:20:14
452.   Greg S
I think that Penn's injury is mostly to his pride (although stiffness in his back could be interpreted in a way that is accurate as well).
Remember that he had a start earlier in the year where he got shelled and then complained about pitching with a bad shoulder or elbow or something. When asked further about it and if he shouldn't be pitching at all, he changed his tune.
2006-09-28 13:20:19
453.   dzzrtRatt
358 Now Scully is saying Penny had a stiff back, "couldn't get loose." So it's not a new injury, it's the same old one acting up.

The Dodgers have been slooooowwww to acknowledge that Penny's hurt, though.

2006-09-28 13:20:19
454.   RELX
Gameday had an "Injury delay" listed, and then said that Brad Penny left the game two innings before. Did they examine Penny in the middel of the field to cause a delay?
2006-09-28 13:20:22
455.   blue22
445 - I've worked on the same paragraph of a document since the Phillies game started yesterday. :)
2006-09-28 13:20:40
456.   ssjames
447 I would feel better without Penny, but I would prefer a healthy Nomar to Loney this year. Next year, after more time in the bigs, Loney may be my choice.
2006-09-28 13:20:48
457.   RELX
Gameday had an "Injury delay" listed, and then said that Brad Penny left the game two innings before. Did they examine Penny in the middel of the field to cause a delay?
2006-09-28 13:21:11
458.   RELX
Sorry for the repetition!
2006-09-28 13:21:12
459.   bhsportsguy
446 No, I don't like making outs at home either (especially since it always seems to be Nomar or Kent) but I don't think it impacts the results as much we think it does.

And please, I am not a disciple of the Hudman.

2006-09-28 13:21:17
460.   StolenMonkey86
Remember Jon's 3 modes of Billingsley?

I'm going to classify them as if they're soft drinks.

I'm calling the strand lots of runners version "Chad Classic"

Letting the runners score is "Caffiene-free Chad"

Lots of K, only 1 or 2 BB is "Dr. Chad"

2006-09-28 13:21:43
461.   Eric Enders
So, a question: Is Penny's injury today one of the better injuries that's ever happened to the Dodgers? It gives them an excuse to leave him off the roster, while allowing Penny to save face. Otherwise, Ned may not have had the cojones to leave a "proven veteran" off the postseason roster. Now, he has the perfect excuse to do so.
2006-09-28 13:21:52
462.   StolenMonkey86
457 - he is kind of a big fellow . . .
2006-09-28 13:21:57
463.   Benaiah
Oh Tom Martin, where would you be if you were right handed?
2006-09-28 13:21:58
464.   JoeyP
Penny would be the tiebreaker starter on monday if there's a tie.
2006-09-28 13:22:30
465.   gibsonhobbs88
Dodgers will still find a way to make this game interesting, knowing their MO for testing the fates.
2006-09-28 13:23:08
466.   ssjames
464 Not after today, I would hope. Bills has got to get that start over Penny. I would almost rather give it to Tomko at this point.
2006-09-28 13:23:11
467.   dianagramr
Stranding lots of runners should be "Dimpled Chad"
2006-09-28 13:23:24
468.   bhsportsguy
453 No, I have seen back issues mentioned for Penny for a while but this is the first time he went out so early. It must be a game by game issue since he has mixed in some good starts (last one two weeks ago in Chicago) with the bad ones. I think the bigger issue is to find anything slow to balance his fastball.
2006-09-28 13:23:34
469.   blue22
456 - but I would prefer a healthy Nomar to Loney this year

A healthy Nomar. He's probably at 60% right now, and is only going to get worse.

2006-09-28 13:23:38
470.   WellsforKemp
the best part about if Penny is hurt is he cant start game 1 in Shea Stadium where he would have been DESTROYED,... kuo would be a much better choice.
2006-09-28 13:24:36
471.   thinkblue0
425-

Couldn't agree more.

Like the Sports Guy said...there needs to be a common sense coordinator on the bench at all times. Sometimes these coaches pull off moves that have people with even the lowest knowledge of the game scatching their heads.

2006-09-28 13:25:27
472.   ssjames
469 Even at 60% right now, I probably still would rather have Nomar. If he continues to get worse, then that is a different story.
2006-09-28 13:25:43
473.   ssjames
469 Even at 60% right now, I probably still would rather have Nomar. If he continues to get worse, then that is a different story.
2006-09-28 13:25:44
474.   Bob Timmermann
I'm highly disappointed in the Dodgers LOB totals for this game. Mighty disappointed.
2006-09-28 13:25:53
475.   Bluebleeder87
i wanna see Ethier get a chance alreay, i love how much Anderson has contributed but let's give Ethier a chance already.
2006-09-28 13:25:56
476.   Gen3Blue
Certainly and so do I.

In response to "dare I say"

2006-09-28 13:26:14
477.   JoeyP
It gives them an excuse to leave him off the roster,

With Tomko, Carrara, Hendrickson, Dessens in the Dodger bullpen, I dont think there's any excuse to leave Penny off the playoff roster. Even if he doesnt start, he's still better than most of the bullpen.

2006-09-28 13:26:17
478.   Jon Weisman
No fair double-posting to jack up the comment total :)
2006-09-28 13:26:37
479.   Jon Weisman
No fair double-posting to jack up the comment total :)
2006-09-28 13:26:59
480.   dzzrtRatt
I'm not quite getting why Penny's injury is some kind of plus for the Dodgers going into the playoffs. Do you think his first half was a fluke? Here's what we're left with:

Lowe -- great
Maddux -- great, but can only pitch so long
Kuo -- looks good, but how will he hold up in a playoff game
Billingsly -- I guess we'll see today, but like Kuo, a lot to put on his shoulders

If Kuo and Billingsley can't cut it, we're left with Sele and Hendrickson. If Penny is left off the roster, it's probably the AL's seventh best lefthander who'll take his spot.

I would take Penny into the playoffs, and have Bills right behind him in case.

2006-09-28 13:27:17
481.   JoeyP
would almost rather give it to Tomko at this point.

Wow.
Just wow.

2006-09-28 13:27:17
482.   Benaiah
Ha
2006-09-28 13:27:36
483.   dianagramr
474

They could have the 7 the Rockies have left on ...

2006-09-28 13:27:58
484.   xaphor
478. I think I'm goof for at least one spelling mistake a post. :)
2006-09-28 13:28:12
485.   Bluebleeder87
Sullivan becomes a different player when he plays against us.
2006-09-28 13:28:14
486.   blue22
477 - Good point. Penny could come in with the same mentality he had in the All-Star game - 99 MPH cheese for 1-2 innings at a time.
2006-09-28 13:28:37
487.   gibsonhobbs88
I guess if Penny can't get his back right, then Lowe, Kuo and Maddux with Bills and Sele as longmen would be our playoff rotation against the Mets or NL Central winner depending on whether we end up West winner or WC.
2006-09-28 13:28:39
488.   JoeyP
These rockies are swinging at everything. I think they want to get the game over with.
2006-09-28 13:29:22
489.   Eric Enders
477 At this point, I trust all of those guys more than Penny except for possibly Hendrickson.
2006-09-28 13:29:41
490.   WellsforKemp
how can the Dodgers let Sullivan reach base 3 times so far?
2006-09-28 13:29:49
491.   Bluebleeder87
any Kemp sightings anywere?
2006-09-28 13:30:14
492.   blue22
487 - Flip flop Billz and Kuo if the opponent is StL. I can't imagine that the Cards, with Pujols and Rolen, have the same trouble with lefties that the Mets do.
2006-09-28 13:30:42
493.   WellsforKemp
sullivans OBP 1.000
2006-09-28 13:31:06
494.   JoeyP
489. What is your reasoning?
2006-09-28 13:31:19
495.   Uncle Miltie
480- Maddux has not been great this month. Lowe and Kuo have been great, but Maddux has been average at best.

I agree that I'd rather have Penny on the postseason roster than BJ. If Penny figures out why he's been stinking it up, then at the very least he could be a valuable arm out of the pen in the first round.

2006-09-28 13:31:40
496.   FirstMohican
I just wanted to say hi to everyone and be part of what will be a historic night in Dodger Thoughts Comments history.
2006-09-28 13:31:46
497.   ssjames
490 Especially in front of the No. 1 Dodger killer at the moment, Matt Holliday (I hate that guy, he's like a one man wrecking crew).
2006-09-28 13:31:49
498.   Eric Enders
I didn't get to see the game last night, so I was wondering, why did Grady use the plodding Delwyn Young as a pinch runner instead of, say, Matt Kemp or even a pitcher. Did he not realize how slow Delwyn is until that play at the plate?
2006-09-28 13:32:13
499.   Gen3Blue
I think Bills at times is afraid to throw strikes. He has good stuff and should be OK eventually.
2006-09-28 13:33:37
500.   capdodger
496 What are you going to do? Post from a blackberry while streaking the field and holding a beach ball?
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2006-09-28 13:33:38
501.   gibsonhobbs88
486 - Wow! That's a good idea for the short term for this year. Will be a good alternative to the gas cans of Gio, Tomko and Dessens. Penny can bridge the gap he normally creates by pitching the 6th and 7th, then we can go to Broxton and Saito in their roles.
2006-09-28 13:34:04
502.   50 years a Dodger Fan
I think Mia Hamm just started packing.... I'd like to have Nomar back next year but there's just no place to play him. Loney is demanding first base and with that bat, he'll get it. Maybe we can get the DH in so there's places for guys like Nomar and Saenz.
2006-09-28 13:34:28
503.   overkill94
Ohhhh boy
2006-09-28 13:34:35
504.   joekings
great
2006-09-28 13:34:36
505.   Bluebleeder87
Bills making it interesting.
2006-09-28 13:34:54
506.   blue22
501 - But if he normally creates the gap, will there be a gap to bridge?

I just blew your mind. :-p

2006-09-28 13:35:58
507.   joekings
that helps
2006-09-28 13:35:59
508.   Bluebleeder87
the rox tend to fall asleep! NICE!!
2006-09-28 13:36:08
509.   thinkblue0
great...8-5. I'd love to have one win where I don't almost end up comatose.

The thing with Penny, at least in my view, is that he needs to develop another pitch. I'm no expert...although I did pitch in college and have worked with a lot of pitching coaches..

When you're pretty much only fastball, curveball you've gotta be able to get your offspeed over for a strike which Penny doesn't do all that well. So, all these teams just sit on his fastball which is why he gets into so many deep counts...not enough control, and teams constantly fouling off his fastball that they can't quite catch up to.

The problem is, they WILL catch up to it which is what they're doing now. I don't think there's anything mechanically wrong with Penny, I just don't think his stuff his all that great once teams see him two or three times...could be wrong, but just my two cents.

2006-09-28 13:36:22
510.   WellsforKemp
Troy Tulowitzki singles on a line drive to right?.......
2006-09-28 13:36:27
511.   Icaros
This is a joke.
2006-09-28 13:36:59
512.   Telemachos
To distract us from worry, there was a zombie rights protest march in Austin, apparently. And then it was disrupted by an anti-zombie pirate protest.

I love geeks.

http://tinyurl.com/gdjbk
http://tinyurl.com/qldf4

2006-09-28 13:37:07
513.   Bluebleeder87
Don't throw Vinnie Castilla a fastball Bills!!
2006-09-28 13:37:22
514.   joekings
we're being dinked to death.
2006-09-28 13:37:38
515.   JoeyP
LOl...The Clint Hurdles are funny to watch at times.
2006-09-28 13:38:40
516.   Icaros
What the hell is he throwing up there? Watermelons?
2006-09-28 13:38:41
517.   capdodger
512 - Austin is weird. And they like it that way.
2006-09-28 13:38:55
518.   overkill94
Oh dear, 5 1/3 innings from our bullpen? May Choi have mercy on us.
2006-09-28 13:39:09
519.   Jon Weisman
Well, now what?
2006-09-28 13:39:10
520.   Bluebleeder87
don't throw Castilla a fastball Bills I TOLD YOU!!
2006-09-28 13:39:18
521.   JoeyP
Jeff Baker has to feel like a complete dunce.
2006-09-28 13:39:31
522.   Uncle Miltie
Grits better not be bringing in Sele or BJ.
2006-09-28 13:39:35
523.   Bob Timmermann
Mark Donohue feels ambivalence over Castilla's single. He's glad the Rockies got the RBI, but he's also glad he won't have to see Castilla play anymore.
2006-09-28 13:39:40
524.   Icaros
Thanks for the help, Chad.
2006-09-28 13:40:00
525.   ssjames
This game is killing me. Who is coming in now?
2006-09-28 13:40:14
526.   blue22
It wasn't the pitch so much as the count. 2-0 fastballs are delicious.
2006-09-28 13:40:24
527.   Jon Weisman
509 - Tuesday's game doesn't qualify?
2006-09-28 13:40:27
528.   adraymond
Put Loney on the mound!
2006-09-28 13:40:31
529.   joekings
525- Sele is coming in.
2006-09-28 13:40:56
530.   Bob Timmermann
This game is very Coors like. Lots of balls dropping in for both sides.
2006-09-28 13:40:59
531.   JoeyP
Were in good shape the best loogy in baseball is coming in.
2006-09-28 13:41:01
532.   joekings
529- Sorry it's Biemel instead.
2006-09-28 13:41:05
533.   dianagramr
re: Rockies free-swinging??? Not typical for them this year ....

Team bb k bb/k
Pittsburgh Pirates 452 1172 0.39
Florida Marlins 484 1218 0.40
Milwaukee Brewers 489 1204 0.41
Chicago Cubs 387 909 0.43
Atlanta Braves 515 1133 0.45
Colorado Rockies 531 1063 0.50
New York Mets 523 1045 0.50
San Diego Padres 549 1073 0.51
Philadelphia Phillies 605 1171 0.52
Cincinnati Reds 605 1169 0.52
Washington Nationals 587 1132 0.52
Arizona Diamondbacks 494 947 0.52
Houston Astros 572 1052 0.54
San Francisco Giants 491 868 0.57
St. Louis Cardinals 516 893 0.58
Los Angeles Dodgers 583 928 0.63

2006-09-28 13:41:55
534.   Gen3Blue
528 I'm with you-the guy threw in the 90's in HS
2006-09-28 13:42:01
535.   Jon Weisman
Five innings to go, six pitchers already used. Whoever you're rooting for, you're gonna see some relievers you don't like.
2006-09-28 13:42:52
536.   Bluebleeder87
Martin fell asleep there PERIOD!
2006-09-28 13:43:12
537.   Uncle Miltie
I agree with Grits bringing in Beimel here because he's a groundball pitcher and Matsui is awful against LHP.
2006-09-28 13:43:14
538.   dianagramr
535

Is Mel Rojas in the park?

2006-09-28 13:43:26
539.   adraymond
Joe Beimel looks like that dude in high school who was cooler than everyone else but ended up working as a gas station attendant.
2006-09-28 13:43:33
540.   joekings
536 - Perhaps it's butterflies, I know I have a few.
2006-09-28 13:44:08
541.   Eric Enders
512 What an appropriate post number for a post about Austin.

I've got one of those "Keep Austin Weird" t-shirts, but it's not doing much good because it's getting all gentrified anyway. As long as they don't do away with Eeyore's birthday party....

2006-09-28 13:44:13
542.   capdodger
536 - Yeah!!! Where's that other kid catcher we had? ;)
2006-09-28 13:44:35
543.   dianagramr
Is it too early for a "# of Players Used" update? :-)
2006-09-28 13:44:40
544.   regfairfield
Does anyone else get scared whenever Beimel comes in, depsite his success this year?

Guess he is the best option here.

2006-09-28 13:45:24
545.   Bluebleeder87
539

I bet chicks still dig 'em though.

2006-09-28 13:45:25
546.   Jon Weisman
Beimel just threw the Dodgers 100th pitch.
2006-09-28 13:45:46
547.   overkill94
541 I just watched the movie Slacker last week, and if that movie was any sort of indication of the culture of that city, then Austin definitely is weird.
2006-09-28 13:45:46
548.   Eric Enders
544 Not me. Though I may live to regret those words today.
2006-09-28 13:46:12
549.   blue22
uh-oh UCSB in the house. Surprised Sullivan is out.
2006-09-28 13:46:18
550.   joekings
another dinker
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2006-09-28 13:46:20
551.   Icaros
This team doesn't deserve to be in the playoffs.
2006-09-28 13:46:25
552.   Greg S
Betemit is not an excellent third baseman.
2006-09-28 13:46:37
553.   Uncle Miltie
544- it's scary that he strikes out very few batters, but it's a little comforting that he is able to get a lot of groundballs.
2006-09-28 13:46:51
554.   Bluebleeder87
we had Beltre Betemit, so that play doesn't jive with me.
2006-09-28 13:46:55
555.   overkill94
At this rate we'll definitely eclipse 1,000 posts before the game's over.
2006-09-28 13:46:58
556.   xaphor
For those that wanted Sele, you're wish is granted.
2006-09-28 13:47:18
557.   Daniel Zappala
The Dodgers are being singled to death.
2006-09-28 13:47:35
558.   scareduck
541 - are you in Austin? For some reason, I thought you lived in New York.
2006-09-28 13:47:39
559.   JoeyP
Can Atkins strand 8 men on base in 4 innings? We shall see.
2006-09-28 13:47:49
560.   overkill94
Oh man, Sele coming in to face Atkins with the bases loaded? I think I just threw up in my mouth...
2006-09-28 13:47:50
561.   Eric Enders
547 It's 15 years outdated, but it was certainly accurate then, though it's become less and less accurate as time has gone by.

I used to live in the big white building that's in the background of the opening scene.

2006-09-28 13:47:55
562.   dianagramr
539

His stubble still beats Rick White's beard though (shudder)

2006-09-28 13:48:07
563.   Jon Weisman
Blown save for Beimel?
2006-09-28 13:48:45
564.   joekings
I feel ill.
2006-09-28 13:48:47
565.   still bevens
This game is ensuring Im not getting any work done this afternoon.
2006-09-28 13:49:12
566.   Bluebleeder87
i still like our chances!
2006-09-28 13:49:18
567.   Bob Timmermann
551
I guess the Dodgers aren't the same well-oiled machine as the Padres, Phillies, Cardinals, and Astros!
2006-09-28 13:49:56
568.   joekings
Unbelievable.
2006-09-28 13:50:07
569.   overkill94
Well, at least the Rockies bullpen stinks. I'm predicting we come out ahead, 15-13.
2006-09-28 13:50:20
570.   blue22
And the game is tied. Thus ends any potential "who do we award the win to" debates from the amateur scorekeepers here.
2006-09-28 13:50:28
571.   Eric Enders
558 At this exact moment I'm in El Paso. But I do live in Cooperstown, and used to live in Austin.
2006-09-28 13:50:29
572.   Uncle Miltie
I would have used Dessens, Sele has been awful lately.
2006-09-28 13:50:57
573.   overkill94
563 I think blown saves have to be in the 6th inning or later.
2006-09-28 13:51:03
574.   Uncle Miltie
Great, Sele blew it
2006-09-28 13:51:03
575.   Bluebleeder87
the rox pitching blows!! we'll see what happens!~
2006-09-28 13:51:10
576.   Bob Timmermann
I'm beginning to think that in this inning none of the Rockies hitters deserve a hit, but then again none of the Dodgers pitchers deserve to record an out.

It's the paradox inning.

2006-09-28 13:51:11
577.   xaphor
567. Despite our best efforts at blowing the playoffs, they keep dragging us back in. :)
2006-09-28 13:51:13
578.   dianagramr
Hmmm .... I wonder if Retrosheet guys know if there has ever been a game with a "crooked #" in each inning?

0 4 4 0
3 0 0 7

2006-09-28 13:51:26
579.   scareduck
Does anyone else think we're getting to eight-at-bat territory?
2006-09-28 13:51:34
580.   fan 4 40 plus
I'm thinking 30 runs by the end of this one...
2006-09-28 13:52:25
581.   Icaros
567

They don't deserve it either, but it's hard to believe much in a team that dropped series to Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, and Chicago when it counted most.

2006-09-28 13:52:35
582.   bigcpa
Giving up a 10 spot in Coors field is one thing. Doing it by giving up 8 bleeding singles in 1 inning is some other thing.
2006-09-28 13:52:35
583.   Bluebleeder87
575

i'm just hoping the Dodgers are patient.

2006-09-28 13:52:37
584.   scareduck
576 - the resistable force meets the moveable object.
2006-09-28 13:52:43
585.   ssjames
The inning is over and all I can is, well, that happened.
2006-09-28 13:52:43
586.   bhsportsguy
See, someone had to hit the ball up in the air to save us.
2006-09-28 13:52:50
587.   Greg S
What are the odds that 10-8 will be the final score?
2006-09-28 13:52:50
588.   dianagramr
576

"Paradox Inning" .... wasn't that the ST episode in which Bones exclaims "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor not a pitching coach" ?

2006-09-28 13:52:50
589.   JoeyP
Rockies have 10 singles in the first 4 innings.
2006-09-28 13:52:56
590.   Eric Enders
579 By the end of this game, Ethier will qualify for the batting title.
2006-09-28 13:53:52
591.   WellsforKemp
this game is not fun at all to watch...
2006-09-28 13:54:00
592.   Eric Enders
548 Well, at least I foresaw my own stupidity.
2006-09-28 13:54:34
593.   ssjames
I wonder how many games have ever had at least 8 pitchers in the game at the start of the 5th inning? Could this be a record?
2006-09-28 13:54:40
594.   Bluebleeder87
I'm thinking 30 runs by the end of this one...

this is mid 90's teritory.

2006-09-28 13:54:44
595.   JoeyP
Billingsley was Odalis'ed today.
Pitched alot better than his line indicates.
2006-09-28 13:54:56
596.   Jon Weisman
I have to go to a staff meeting at 4 p.m. - could spell trouble.
2006-09-28 13:55:12
597.   Bob Timmermann
578
Not exactly what you're looking for but this was the Dodgers-Rockies linescore for June 30, 1996

LA N 005 141 013 - 15 18 4
COL N 013 411 222 - 16 20 1

2006-09-28 13:55:32
598.   WellsforKemp
why does Hurdle have to manage this one like a playoff game?
2006-09-28 13:55:42
599.   Bob Timmermann
XBH 505, a new LA record!
2006-09-28 13:56:42
600.   capdodger
597 - Weren't there a couple of fights in that game?
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2006-09-28 13:56:53
601.   JoeyP
Today is like batting practice for both teams. Maybe they did stop putting the balls in the humidor. The Rox did score like 20 runs last week.
2006-09-28 13:57:03
602.   Bob Timmermann
Astros grab a 1-0 lead in the 5th.
2006-09-28 13:57:17
603.   scareduck
Thanks, Tulo!
2006-09-28 13:57:36
604.   regfairfield
And they said Coors Field is a pitchers park...
2006-09-28 13:57:49
605.   trainwreck
I hope LaRoche is ready to take over 3rd at some point next year.
2006-09-28 13:57:53
606.   capdodger
Hmm... this game might end more quickly if they just put the balls on a tee and had the players swing at them.
2006-09-28 13:57:59
607.   gibsonhobbs88
This team does not let you breathe. This team causes widespread lack of production in the workplace when they play games like this. It might take 17 runs to win this game, Dodger bullpen is going to be blown out due to this game.
590- Loney might too! LOL :)
Like I said earlier today, down to the last game we go!!
2006-09-28 13:58:04
608.   Uncle Miltie
Slowly chipping away
2006-09-28 13:58:05
609.   ssjames
We need to get the bases loaded for Loney again.
2006-09-28 13:58:06
610.   scareduck
596 - holy moly, good luck. Hope you still have your job at the end of the day.
2006-09-28 13:58:08
611.   Bob Timmermann
600
Not that I recall. There were a lot of stolen bases. The Rockies stole 10, 6 of them by Eric Young.
2006-09-28 13:58:21
612.   blue22
97 RBIs for Drew!
2006-09-28 13:59:24
613.   WellsforKemp
whats the record for times w/ bases loaded no one out in a game? wow
2006-09-28 13:59:39
614.   D4P
How does one (especially a slow, 40-year old white one) score from 2B on a single to SS...?
2006-09-28 13:59:47
615.   JoeyP
I called 13 runs after Loney's GS. It may be 15-18 runs.
2006-09-28 13:59:51
616.   Icaros
597

I almost broke my TV remote that night. I also remember becoming about as sick as I've ever been for two weeks after.

I think it was a coincidence, but I'm sure the stress from the game didn't help.

I hate Coors Field with the fury of a thousand campfires set afire.

2006-09-28 13:59:56
617.   dianagramr
I'm surprised they haven't put Coors kegs at each base, given the softball pitching going on.
2006-09-28 13:59:57
618.   Greg S
587. I'm gonna go with .0000000001
2006-09-28 14:00:16
619.   Dodger Hill
Can anyone tell me why Penny only lasted an inning? I just checked in.
2006-09-28 14:00:21
620.   capdodger
I'm thinking of June 15th, 1993.
2006-09-28 14:00:21
621.   Bob Timmermann
Old friend alert!

Mike Venafro coming in!

2006-09-28 14:01:00
622.   trainwreck
Ah good old Mike Venafro.

I mean bad old Mike Venafro.

2006-09-28 14:01:02
623.   Bob Timmermann
620
That was the one where Charlie Hayes got into a fight.

Among other people.

2006-09-28 14:01:20
624.   dzzrtRatt
The UCLA Business Forecast, the Los Angeles Economic Development Commission and the Chamber of Commerce have just called upon the DA to arrest Vin Scully, Grady Little and Jon Weisman for putting the LA economy into a deep recession today.
2006-09-28 14:01:23
625.   Greg S
616. How do you set a fire afire? A fire like that wouldn't deserve to burn.
2006-09-28 14:01:26
626.   WellsforKemp
again .....how many pitchers does hurdle have? Clint, this isnt game 7
2006-09-28 14:01:31
627.   Bob Timmermann
2-0 Astros after Oswalt drew a bases-loaded walk.
2006-09-28 14:01:33
628.   ssjames
621 Mike Venafro? Excellllllent.
2006-09-28 14:02:08
629.   Uncle Miltie
Now gameday has Kent at 3rd? Did he score or not?

I think you have to bring in Old Maid right now.

2006-09-28 14:02:21
630.   Bluebleeder87
old friend alert in Venefro.
2006-09-28 14:02:27
631.   adraymond
Gameday just took away a run. What gives?
2006-09-28 14:02:34
632.   Nagman
614 - Kent did not score, despite whatever online game updater you are watching says. Unless Steiner is lying to me.
2006-09-28 14:02:42
633.   thinkblue88
624 LOL. ARG! Gotta go to work in an hour. =(
2006-09-28 14:02:42
634.   Gen3Blue
I can't help notice how much Ramirez looks like O.Perez today.
By the way-could Penny go Perez's way? I doubt it. But MLB has to seriously address the question of guaranteed contracts for pitchers. It really could kill the sport.
2006-09-28 14:02:53
635.   Bob Timmermann
I count 9 relievers still available for the Rockies.
2006-09-28 14:02:58
636.   Eric Enders
Now here is where you bat Saenz.
2006-09-28 14:03:16
637.   Jon Weisman
This would have been a great game to live-blog. Drat.

Of course, I haven't really done that since I started having comments at DT.

2006-09-28 14:03:16
638.   ToyCannon
If Betemit doesn't clear the bases, Loney could have his career game in a year and still qualify for a rookie next year. I think Sudakis did it in 67.
2006-09-28 14:03:17
639.   Icaros
625

That's why it's such a furious fire.

2006-09-28 14:03:32
640.   ssjames
Now, we have nine pitchers and it's in the 5th. Seriously, this must be a record. And Venafro won't last the inning. We are looking at 10 for sure.
2006-09-28 14:03:50
641.   joekings
this game is going to drive me insane.
2006-09-28 14:03:54
642.   Eric Enders
636 Or not.
2006-09-28 14:04:01
643.   Benaiah
Loney! Go for 10 Ribbies.
2006-09-28 14:04:10
644.   Bob Timmermann
624
I'm going to double check the UCLA Anderson Forecast when I get to work tomorrow to see if that was in there. It came out today.
2006-09-28 14:04:11
645.   Uncle Miltie
So I guess Kent was on third. Good job by Betemit.
2006-09-28 14:04:16
646.   scareduck
619 - stiff back.
2006-09-28 14:04:23
647.   Bluebleeder87
Loney & the BI*CYLE* also bases loaded.
2006-09-28 14:04:23
648.   dianagramr
... ooh .... ANOTHER crooked-number inning ...

yeah!

(#s geek)

2006-09-28 14:04:30
649.   trainwreck
Big game James.
2006-09-28 14:04:40
650.   WellsforKemp
Loney for ROY!!!!!1
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2006-09-28 14:04:53
651.   Bob Timmermann
Loney is now at 7 RBI and at Condition Orange on the Cycle Alert.
2006-09-28 14:04:56
652.   scareduck
RBI 7 for Loney.
2006-09-28 14:05:06
653.   JoeyP
This is total batting practice.
2006-09-28 14:05:26
654.   Benaiah
This has been a wild and crazy finish to the season.
2006-09-28 14:05:32
655.   Uncle Miltie
One measly rbi for Loney…
2006-09-28 14:05:34
656.   Eric Enders
There's the crooked number for the 5th.
2006-09-28 14:05:41
657.   WellsforKemp
I dont know if I like Nomar here, DP?
2006-09-28 14:06:06
658.   ssjames
If Nomar hits a grand slam will anyone feel comfortable about the lead?
2006-09-28 14:06:12
659.   JoeyP
20 runs
24 hits
4+ innings
2006-09-28 14:06:18
660.   Uncle Miltie
I would have used Old Maid here
2006-09-28 14:06:19
661.   scareduck
So much for the game winning grand slam.
2006-09-28 14:06:32
662.   FirstMohican
This is the best game I've ever neglected work to follow on GameDay.
2006-09-28 14:06:53
663.   scareduck
658 - now that the point is moot, no.
2006-09-28 14:07:29
664.   Uncle Miltie
At least he didn't hit into a double play
2006-09-28 14:07:38
665.   dianagramr
656

its not just another crooked # ...

its another crooked # without the other team scoring in the same inning ...

and no "1-run" innings ...

(geeked)

2006-09-28 14:07:40
666.   trainwreck
Grrrrrr.
2006-09-28 14:07:44
667.   Bob Timmermann
Still only 3 LOB for the game.
2006-09-28 14:07:44
668.   Disabled List
I think we're gonna set of all of the single-season offensive records Bob's been tracking in this one game.
2006-09-28 14:07:59
669.   Dodger Hill
Crud
2006-09-28 14:08:12
670.   Eric Enders
646 I believe the second word was unnecessary.
2006-09-28 14:08:21
671.   WellsforKemp
damn, I would have taken a Nomar DP
2006-09-28 14:08:34
672.   Benaiah
I don't think any lead is safe today. To that end, please don't bring in Dessens or Carrera, I don't want to see the first ever triple digit score.
2006-09-28 14:08:40
673.   JoeyP
That was bad luck for Furcal.
2006-09-28 14:08:44
674.   capdodger
Was that double play bad baserunning or really good fielding?
2006-09-28 14:08:53
675.   Uncle Miltie
But Furcal does
2006-09-28 14:09:02
676.   regfairfield
If this game goes on long enough, J.D. Drew has a shot at a .900 OPS this season.
2006-09-28 14:09:32
677.   Disabled List
Wow. Over 670 comments, and we're only in the 5th inning of an afternoon game.
2006-09-28 14:09:32
678.   Eric Enders
The thing with showing only 50 posts at a time is intensely annoying in a thread moving this quickly.
2006-09-28 14:09:36
679.   Jon Weisman
660 - Batting for the pitcher, you want to use the guy who won't be taking the field. Usually that's Saenz, but with Nomar ailing, Saenz may need to be in the field later.
2006-09-28 14:09:54
680.   Bluebleeder87
i'm feeling nestolgic here, it truly feels like the mid 90's
2006-09-28 14:10:18
681.   NPB
Look! They're bringing a pitching machine out of the bullpen...
2006-09-28 14:10:31
682.   ToyCannon
Days like this are why I will hate it when I have to give up working from home. I love baseball in the daytime.
2006-09-28 14:10:41
683.   Benaiah
677 - Even if Jon posts something new, this is the official game thread so I assume we would still use it all night long.
2006-09-28 14:11:01
684.   JoeyP
Old friend Mark Hendrickson in to pitch.
In a game like this, it doesnt hurt. They've gotten 10 off of Penny/Billingsley, maybe in some inverse karma Hendrickson will shut them down.
2006-09-28 14:11:01
685.   Bob Timmermann
You mean the 1897 record by the Cubs of 36 runs scored in a game is in danger?
2006-09-28 14:11:10
686.   trainwreck
Uh oh.
2006-09-28 14:11:13
687.   Benaiah
Be afraid, be very afraid.
2006-09-28 14:11:14
688.   WellsforKemp
Is it possible to not give up a run with hendy on right now?
2006-09-28 14:11:31
689.   capdodger
NOOOOO!!!!!
2006-09-28 14:11:32
690.   trainwreck
I forgot BJ was on our team.
2006-09-28 14:11:37
691.   Bluebleeder87
The thing with showing only 50 posts at a time is intensely annoying in a thread moving this quickly.

i kind of have to agree.

2006-09-28 14:11:39
692.   Jon Weisman
This is Hendrickson's moment to shine, if he's gonna have one.
2006-09-28 14:11:45
693.   gpellamjr
I just don't want to miss out on the day we go over 1000.

So, do we have a nickname for Loney yet? I'd like to suggest James "King of the Gods" Loney, or something else to suggest his divinity.

2006-09-28 14:11:55
694.   Bob Timmermann
3-0 Astros going to the bottom of the 5th. Houston scored on a two bases-loaded walks.
2006-09-28 14:11:58
695.   Benaiah
What is the record for most combined runs scored in a game where neither team scores in the same inning?
2006-09-28 14:12:21
696.   FirstMohican
I'd rather have Nomar remain in the game at first and have Loney pitch.
2006-09-28 14:12:25
697.   overkill94
And to think, we've already used one of our best relievers in Beimel. Nothing but Hendricksons, Carraras, Dessenses, Stultses, and Tomkos until possibly the 9th if Broxton's given a day off and they don't want Saito pitching 2 innings.
2006-09-28 14:13:12
698.   trainwreck
What the heck just happened?
2006-09-28 14:13:18
699.   Bluebleeder87
i'm already on my 9th beer, i think i'm gonna break my personal best of 12 beers for a 9 inning game NO LIE.
2006-09-28 14:13:24
700.   Eric Enders
So, what would everyone's reaction have been last night if I told you Grady would pitch Hendrickson in the 6th inning of a tie game?
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2006-09-28 14:13:34
701.   ToyCannon
674
Hard line drive, hard to fault the runner.

Bob, Vinny just referenced your Dodger/Rockie 15/16 game line.

This one could go higher as the pitching could actually get worse since Broxton is unavailable for us and all the Rockie relievers blow except for Fuentes.

2006-09-28 14:13:36
702.   capdodger
684 It looks like Hendy is still bad.
2006-09-28 14:13:45
703.   WellsforKemp
I still hate this game....
2006-09-28 14:14:24
704.   still bevens
699 You're doing God's work.
2006-09-28 14:14:34
705.   overkill94
695 If we break any records today, Rob Neyer will spell them all out in his next useless facts article. No, seriously, that's what the article's called.
2006-09-28 14:15:20
706.   capdodger
699 What are the rules? Drink for every hit? Finish for a Dodger run scoring play?
2006-09-28 14:15:24
707.   Benaiah
702 - I don't think a 7 pitch walk is necessarily proof that he is bad. Lets see if he can get out of the inning unscathed, something only Billz has done and even he only did for a little while.
2006-09-28 14:15:27
708.   regfairfield
705 That's Jayson Stark.
2006-09-28 14:15:32
709.   Eric Enders
699 Hey, as long as you're not faking it.
2006-09-28 14:15:58
710.   Uncle Miltie
679- that's a good point but the Dodgers still have some flexibility on the bench and even in the game right now.

-Marlon Anderson can play (move to) 2B, 1B.
-Lugo can play SS, 2B, 3B, OF (I think)
-Repko and Ethier can play the OF
-Delwyn Young can play OF, 2B (though not well)
-Ramon Martinez can play all 4 infield positions

2006-09-28 14:16:15
711.   capdodger
705 - Isn't he behind the E$PN toll-booth?
2006-09-28 14:16:25
712.   Benaiah
705 - I thought that ws Jason Stark's column. "Totally useless info"
2006-09-28 14:17:39
713.   Sam DC
684 Isn't Hendrickson a current friend?
2006-09-28 14:18:02
714.   CeyHey
whatever happened to osario
2006-09-28 14:18:20
715.   Eric Enders
711 Perhaps the first time somebody's had the gall to charge for something that's specifically described as "useless."

Well, maybe not.

2006-09-28 14:18:25
716.   Uncle Miltie
699- easy there cowboy. At least you aren't mixing.
2006-09-28 14:18:29
717.   overkill94
708 Darn, I was debating whether it was Neyer or Callis and it turned out to be neither. The useless info really is pretty useless so I've only read it once or twice.
2006-09-28 14:18:33
718.   xaphor
712. Why go out for burgers when you got steak served up on the griddle.
2006-09-28 14:18:47
719.   dianagramr
712

Would it surprise anoyne to know I've gotten stats into that Useless Info column 4 times in the past 3 years?

(yes ... I have no life)

2006-09-28 14:18:52
720.   still bevens
Is this like the 50th 3-2 count in this game??
2006-09-28 14:19:27
721.   regfairfield
714 He pitched poorly in AAA.
2006-09-28 14:19:56
722.   adraymond
Sweet, a bagel!
2006-09-28 14:20:03
723.   dianagramr
yes ... the crooked # or nothing streak continues!
2006-09-28 14:20:15
724.   RELX
Season on the line...Mark Hendrickson. No more needs to be said.
2006-09-28 14:20:33
725.   JoeyP
Its a good thing the Rox are in a hacking mood bc Hendrickson could have been in some real trouble that inning.
2006-09-28 14:21:08
726.   Dodger Hill
I don't know about you all but this tight rope act is making my dizzy.
2006-09-28 14:21:35
727.   bonnie
I'm just glad I finally got a lap top so I can keep up with you guys while watching the game.
I can't imagine how long it would take me to read all the comments tomorrow.
2006-09-28 14:21:40
728.   Nagman
Grady is using a strategy that I've always wanted to see implemented. Keep changing pitchers until you find somebody who can get outs.
2006-09-28 14:21:50
729.   Eric Enders
241 pitches thrown through five innings.

Yeah, sounds like your typical Penny start.

2006-09-28 14:21:55
730.   Bluebleeder87
706

The rules are there are no rules. just hang out.

2006-09-28 14:22:14
731.   Terry A
Mark Eaton, how I've missed you!
2006-09-28 14:22:59
732.   trainwreck
Wow!
2006-09-28 14:23:14
733.   Benaiah
Hopefully the score isn't symmetrical about the 5th innings, I would hate to lose 18-20.
2006-09-28 14:23:17
734.   RELX
Is it me, or does Hendrickson's Gameday photo make him look like the actor Richard Masur, who played the Princeton admissions offer in Risky Business, and was Bonnie Franklin's love interest on One Day At A Time? I believe he occasionally plays a judge on Law and Order as well. (Masur, not Hendrickson.)
2006-09-28 14:23:21
735.   trainwreck
Humidor my balls.
2006-09-28 14:23:28
736.   Bluebleeder87
Ray King says he's thick not fat
2006-09-28 14:23:30
737.   Uncle Miltie
lol
2006-09-28 14:23:39
738.   Gen3Blue
Lofton--what a buy.
2006-09-28 14:23:42
739.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Lofton homers - this game is officially insane.
2006-09-28 14:23:54
740.   still bevens
M-V-P M-V-P
2006-09-28 14:23:59
741.   RELX
Lofton!
2006-09-28 14:23:59
742.   Eric Enders
If Ray King's parents were creative, they would have named him Rey King.
2006-09-28 14:24:03
743.   JoeyP
Lofton wants to make Mark Hendrickson a winner.
2006-09-28 14:24:11
744.   Bluebleeder87
back to back
2006-09-28 14:24:14
745.   joekings
merlin!
2006-09-28 14:24:20
746.   bonnie
I cannot believe this game
2006-09-28 14:24:26
747.   dianagramr
yes ,,,,, ANOTHER crooked # .... !
2006-09-28 14:24:32
748.   blue22
735 - Please! (channelling Henny Youngman)
2006-09-28 14:24:32
749.   Eric Enders
The streak continues!
2006-09-28 14:24:33
750.   Dodger Hill
What do you say? We play to twenty, win by two?
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2006-09-28 14:24:58
751.   RELX
Ray King's Gameday photo looks like...never mind, Marlon!!!
2006-09-28 14:25:12
752.   Uncle Miltie
Marvelous Marlon does it again!
2006-09-28 14:25:27
753.   JoeyP
Ray King, thank you for stopping by.

Marlon Anderson is just....

2006-09-28 14:26:19
754.   dzzrtRatt
"King has been reduced to a pauper here on back to back at bats."

-- Vin Scully, a few seconds ago.

2006-09-28 14:26:36
755.   Benaiah
Anyone take the under on this game? Is it possible to bet on the over/under for the rest of the game?
2006-09-28 14:26:42
756.   StolenMonkey86
My dad never liked Ray King on the Braves.

I love him on the Rockies.

2006-09-28 14:27:31
757.   capdodger
730 Ah... The calvinball of drinking games. I gotcha...
2006-09-28 14:27:53
758.   Eric Enders
Vinny always seems to be at his best when King is pitching.

"He's rumored to be 235 pounds...."

2006-09-28 14:28:12
759.   adraymond
why couldn't this game have been played at night so I could jump then sulk then jump around my living room? instead, i have to hide my exuberance at work. lame
2006-09-28 14:28:14
760.   dianagramr
742

given the gopherballs, RaKing would be better

2006-09-28 14:29:13
761.   capdodger
Well... I've got to run. Need to stop by Costco to pick up a pie on my way home. Have fun with this....
2006-09-28 14:29:31
762.   Jonny6
I know this is Coors Field, but wow, this is getting ridiculous.

Somewhere in Denver, the minimum wage "humidor technician" is sitting on his couch with a bong in his hands watching this game, wondering to himself, "did I forget to turn that thing back on last night?"

2006-09-28 14:29:54
763.   LeeLacy
I was about ready to say that, by game's end, the scoreboard may look as if it were an NFL game being played. But scratch that. We may be in for an NBA-style shootout.
2006-09-28 14:30:11
764.   lakerican
I don't like it. Mesa likes to hit people...
2006-09-28 14:30:17
765.   trainwreck
mmmmmm pie.
2006-09-28 14:30:24
766.   JoeyP
Jose Mesa? awesome.
2006-09-28 14:31:48
767.   Bluebleeder87
what's Loney's line so far? anybody!
2006-09-28 14:32:02
768.   Claire Malone-Evans
We might see twenty different pitchers in this odd game.
2006-09-28 14:32:25
769.   Benaiah
Forget not turning on the humidifier, I am wondering if someone accidentally drained all the moisture out of the balls. Perhaps the Rockies put the ball in an oven last night?
2006-09-28 14:32:26
770.   rockmrete
I can leave work and listen to Vin in the car but having trouble leaving DT right now. Read you at home
2006-09-28 14:32:36
771.   StolenMonkey86
750 - how about 21 and win by 2? That way it's like ping pong.
2006-09-28 14:33:07
772.   Bluebleeder87
breaking news, i just broke the record for going to the john during a game!.
2006-09-28 14:33:57
773.   nofatmike
The bookies should've put a line on this games.
2006-09-28 14:34:01
774.   trainwreck
Please, keep adding runs.
2006-09-28 14:34:03
775.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
This is an old-school Coors game.
Hideo Nomo made, IIRC, his second career start there. Final score was something like 15-14, Dodgers.
Piazza: "He'll be OK after we tell him all stadiums over here aren't like this."
2006-09-28 14:34:20
776.   nofatmike
game*
2006-09-28 14:34:25
777.   Eric Enders
770 How do you manage that trick? Or do you mean Charlie and Rick?
2006-09-28 14:34:43
778.   JoeyP
Jose Mesa.....lol
2006-09-28 14:34:55
779.   adraymond
and so it contnnues
2006-09-28 14:35:00
780.   Jonny6
every ten minutes or so, I find myself looking at the TV in disbelief - muttering - were still in the (fill in the blank) inning.

forget 1,000 posts. at the rate this game is going I think we should be shooting for 2,000.

2006-09-28 14:35:23
781.   Bob Timmermann
Cycle Alert!
2006-09-28 14:35:40
782.   dianagramr
Jose Mesa has 24 siblings!!???

Jeepers ... his own team!

2006-09-28 14:35:58
783.   Jon Weisman
Seven Dodgers have extra-base hits so far.
2006-09-28 14:36:07
784.   scareduck
578 - Hmmm .... I wonder if Retrosheet guys know if there has ever been a game with a "crooked #" in each inning?

I have not been able to find such a game.

2006-09-28 14:36:37
785.   Jon Weisman
You guys realize that Hendrickson very likely will bat for himself.
2006-09-28 14:37:25
786.   dianagramr
784

thank you for checking!!!

2006-09-28 14:37:44
787.   Benaiah
785 - I do not think a 4 run lead is safe at all. I don't know if I would trust a 8 run lead right now.
2006-09-28 14:37:45
788.   JoeyP
I hope the Dodgers are saving some runs for this weekend.
2006-09-28 14:37:53
789.   bonnie
Sweet Baby James!
2006-09-28 14:38:03
790.   Bob Timmermann
Gil Loney!
2006-09-28 14:38:15
791.   JeffC
I actually have to watch/read this game on Seattle Post Intelligencer's website on their scores section because it is the only website I can go to. I have ultimate fun-blocker at my work and can't go to any sports websites. This was the only website I could find after hours of searching one day. I also keep refreshing this to try and get updates. The Dodgers station out in Irvine in my building also gets pretty much no reception. I wish I could watch this game.
2006-09-28 14:38:18
792.   Chiron Brown
Wow!
2006-09-28 14:38:19
793.   trainwreck
I think Loney likes Colorado.
2006-09-28 14:38:26
794.   adraymond
no way
2006-09-28 14:38:42
795.   dzzrtRatt
Oh ferpete's sake! Mind boggling.
2006-09-28 14:38:43
796.   Bluebleeder87
well that will work. WOWSERS!!|
2006-09-28 14:39:17
797.   StolenMonkey86
I like this Loney fellow
2006-09-28 14:39:17
798.   Bob Timmermann
Time to go after Bottomley and Whiten's records of 12!
2006-09-28 14:39:17
799.   Dodger Hill
Loney must have been taking notes from Nomar.
2006-09-28 14:39:18
800.   Benaiah
Wow! Loney is the man! 9 RBI in the game!
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2006-09-28 14:39:22
801.   thinkblue88
WOW!!!!!!
2006-09-28 14:39:36
802.   JoeyP
Loney with 9RBI's.
2006-09-28 14:39:36
803.   Eric Enders
I am failing to even comprehend this right now.
2006-09-28 14:39:56
804.   Eric Enders
I am failing to even comprehend this right now.
2006-09-28 14:40:01
805.   Eric Enders
I am failing to even comprehend this right now.
2006-09-28 14:40:19
806.   ToyCannon
Say good-bye Penguin, move over Gil Hodges you've got some company.

Has a number 8 hitter ever knocked in 9 runs???

Bob I'm waiting on you.

2006-09-28 14:40:53
807.   Bob Timmermann
Dodgers slugging percentage in this game so far: .966
2006-09-28 14:41:15
808.   nofatmike
699. Your personal best is 12 beers? Wow, how do you expect to achieve anything in life when you set such low goals? j/k
2006-09-28 14:42:19
809.   dzzrtRatt
Between them, Loney and Betemit have 12 RBIs.

So does that mean the rest of the team is crappy?

2006-09-28 14:42:32
810.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Joe Table just had his legs kicked out from under him.
2006-09-28 14:42:32
811.   Linkmeister
798 A Sunny Jim alert!
2006-09-28 14:42:39
812.   scareduck
The most crooked numbers in a single game was a April 24, 1996 game between Minnesota and Detroit, Twins 24, Tigers 11.

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B04240DET1996.htm

2006-09-28 14:42:40
813.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers team slugging perecentage has gone up from .430 to .433 so far.
2006-09-28 14:42:42
814.   dianagramr
Jayson Stark will DEFINITELY note that this is most likely the 1st game in baseball history to have an 8-run swing one way (from 0-3 to 8-3), a 7-run swing the other way (3-8 to 10-8), then an 8-run swing BACK (8-10 to 16-10).
2006-09-28 14:42:51
815.   Disabled List
Is this game going to wind up being as memorable as The Four-Homer Game?
2006-09-28 14:42:59
816.   DodgerBakers
Great, another KC Royals reject
2006-09-28 14:43:22
817.   overkill94
In honor of Bluebleeder's commitment to drunken sports viewing, I think I'll crack open a nice cheap beer at 2:42 on a Thursday afternoon.

This bozo just walked Hendrickson, wow.

2006-09-28 14:43:30
818.   Zak
Every starting position player has a hit.

Loney has more than doubles his RBIs for the season.

12 of 16 RBIs are from the 7 and 8 hitters in the lineup.

When all is said and done, I don't think Penny's outing was as bas as it originally appeared. This is just one of those crazy games!

2006-09-28 14:43:45
819.   ddger
Imagine IF Grady had started Lugo at 2nd and Kent at 1st today.
2006-09-28 14:43:56
820.   Eric Enders
803, etc.

Obviously the game was not the only thing I failed to comprehend. Although I will defend myself by insisting I only pressed that sucker twice.

2006-09-28 14:44:06
821.   scareduck
803, 804, 805 - in triplicate.
2006-09-28 14:44:20
822.   mikethinksblue
Let me get this straight, they bring in a reliever to pitch to Hendrickson. And then he walks him. Unreal
2006-09-28 14:44:24
823.   DXMachina
Hokey smoke, Bullwinkle. This is one heck of a game. It was 10-9 when I left work.

So, did they lose the key to the humidifier?

2006-09-28 14:44:26
824.   JoeyP
Hendrickson even gets into the act.
Not sure how a 6'10 guy can be walked, but it is the Rockies.
2006-09-28 14:44:26
825.   ToyCannon
Not to jinx but wouldn't this be a heck of a way for Hendrickson to get his 1st Dodger win or did I miss one.
2006-09-28 14:44:34
826.   Bluebleeder87
the humidor melfuctioned today.
2006-09-28 14:44:49
827.   Jacob L
So, anything going on in the ballgame?
2006-09-28 14:44:59
828.   nofatmike
You know it's not your team's day when you walk a relief pitcher who was tall enough to play in the NBA.
2006-09-28 14:45:09
829.   Gen3Blue
This is the third 4 run inning the D's have had, and it is still a game- disgusting.

I am glad the "experts" had blown a few early comments about Loney into the surity that he had no power for th ML's

They were right in that he didn't have quite the skill to pull his power to make it a triple.

I remember several players who had many more HR's their first year in the ML than AAA. Starting w/ J.Rice and Fred Lynn.

2006-09-28 14:45:15
830.   Gen3Blue
This is the third 4 run inning the D's have had, and it is still a game- disgusting.

I am glad the "experts" had blown a few early comments about Loney into the surity that he had no power for th ML's

They were right in that he didn't have quite the skill to pull his power to make it a triple.

I remember several players who had many more HR's their first year in the ML than AAA. Starting w/ J.Rice and Fred Lynn.

2006-09-28 14:45:25
831.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
9 RBI, and Loney may get another couple of at-bats.
2006-09-28 14:45:37
832.   Bob Timmermann
825
Hendrickson has one win as a Dodger.
2006-09-28 14:45:40
833.   Zak
The record I would most like to see broken by Loney would actually be if he went 7 for 7. Of course, I'd love a triple thrown in there for good measure.
2006-09-28 14:46:06
834.   JoeyP
The Dodgers smell blood. I think they want 20 runs today.
2006-09-28 14:46:15
835.   Bluebleeder87
817

salud!

ps for the record it's my day off.

2006-09-28 14:46:33
836.   Uncle Miltie
So who's building the golden Loney shrine? We might have pawn off the Marlon Anderson one that was just resurrected.

We're all proud of you, Adrian Gonzalez Jr.

2006-09-28 14:46:41
837.   Bruce Siegel
So be honest now--in those desperate moments when the Dodgers fell behind 10 to 8, is there anyone here who suspected we would once again have a comfortable lead? (Assuming the word "comfortable" can ever be truly applied at Coors Field.)
2006-09-28 14:47:03
838.   Bob Timmermann
I would be a neat trick for a guy to go 7 for 7 while batting 8th.
2006-09-28 14:47:21
839.   misterjohnny
I guess they should have left in Venafro, lol
2006-09-28 14:47:28
840.   ToyCannon
833
He's already moved in with the greatest 1st baseman in Dodger history so he might as well give Wes Parker some company in the cycle department.
2006-09-28 14:47:29
841.   Bluebleeder87
Hendy running was almost comical. :o)
2006-09-28 14:47:35
842.   nofatmike
Isn't it odd that Drew, the player with the highest OBP on the team, made the only out this inning?
2006-09-28 14:47:50
843.   trainwreck
I hope my Raiders can score 17 in a game. Heck, 17 in the season the way things are going.
2006-09-28 14:47:50
844.   LeeLacy
815

Considering the context in which the four straight homers occurred--bottom of the 9th, down 4, playing the team your trailing by 0.5 games, facing Hoffman (at least for two of the homers)--that game probably has to get the nod.

However, that being said, this game will be plenty memorable.

2006-09-28 14:47:50
845.   xaphor
Well Hendrickson runs better than Kent and he might have been able to reach that looper... :)
2006-09-28 14:47:59
846.   Chiron Brown
Furcal kicks the extra point. 17-10 Dodgers.
2006-09-28 14:48:07
847.   overkill94
I just got off the phone with my dad, who is now Tivoing the game after going back to work with the Dodgers up 8-3. I had a hard time concealing my excitement as the Dodgers scored all the runs in this inning. All I could tell him is that I hoped he set the Tivo to record extra-long.
2006-09-28 14:48:11
848.   Johnny Nucleo
If Loney gets another RBI, he will be in rarified territory. Only 12 people have ever got 10 RBIs in a game. The last was A-Rod, last year April 26

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/recbooks/rb_rbi1.shtml

2006-09-28 14:48:35
849.   ToyCannon
837
Yes, this game had a Dodger victory feel to it.
2006-09-28 14:48:36
850.   Zak
838 He might get the chance. No real reason to pull him out of this one even if it becomes a laugher.
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2006-09-28 14:48:42
851.   dzzrtRatt
"You wanted a late afternoon pick-me-up...and I delivered."
2006-09-28 14:48:45
852.   dianagramr
Raiders 17, Broncos 10 ... middle of 3rd quarter.
2006-09-28 14:48:49
853.   Big Game
im at work, enjoying beer, and lamenting not getting direct tv. gameday is not doing this one justice.
2006-09-28 14:48:55
854.   misterjohnny
FWIW, there are zero comments at Bad Altitude right now.
2006-09-28 14:49:05
855.   scareduck
834 - double wings at Hooters!
2006-09-28 14:49:20
856.   DXMachina
837 Not comfortable yet.
2006-09-28 14:49:46
857.   Eric Enders
837 We have a comfortable lead? Have you seen the guys we're trotting out there?
2006-09-28 14:50:08
858.   Gen3Blue
Unfortunately this game is far from over, and the D's better not give up on offense yet. But I am out of food and Jim Beam and must take a brief trip. I am sure I won,t miss much of this game.
2006-09-28 14:50:08
859.   Bob Timmermann
854
To be fair to Mark, he doesn't host game chats.
2006-09-28 14:50:12
860.   JoeyP
This puts the pressure on the Padres and Phillies tonite.

I just hope the Dodgers dont end up scoring like 1 run this weekend after scoring 40 runs in 3 games against the Rox.

2006-09-28 14:50:12
861.   Benaiah
And the Rockies defence decides to start helping. What a wild one.
2006-09-28 14:51:15
862.   dzzrtRatt
837 Oh sure. It was a two-run lead. That's a virtual tie at Coors, especially with the relief pitching Colorado's got.

Scully also has been suggesting the Dodgers have gotten into the Rockies' heads. I don't know if that's true, but by now they must feel like maybe they should've tried golf.

2006-09-28 14:51:35
863.   joekings
I dont think I've ever heard of a laugher at coors field.
2006-09-28 14:51:40
864.   FirstMohican
819 - That would've pushed Marlon out of the #3 spot, and we can't have that.
2006-09-28 14:52:16
865.   Zak
A double play - what's that?
2006-09-28 14:52:16
866.   Bob Timmermann
858
I never knew Jim Beam was an important part of the food pyramid.
2006-09-28 14:52:16
867.   FelixP
whoa, that'll teach me to do my job for an hour. when did the football game break out?
2006-09-28 14:53:23
868.   Uncle Miltie
BJ is proving why he's the 3rd or 4th best 6'10+ pitcher in the National League.
2006-09-28 14:53:25
869.   Zak
863 I thought of that after I posted that word. But then I thought, they're all laughers at Coors Field.
2006-09-28 14:53:33
870.   Bluebleeder87
double wings at Hooters!

do we really go for the wings??

2006-09-28 14:53:33
871.   overkill94
853 You're not an airline pilot, are you?
2006-09-28 14:53:39
872.   scareduck
854, 859 - Purple Row has 43 comments:

http://www.purplerow.com/story/2006/9/28/112430/578

2006-09-28 14:53:45
873.   Jon Weisman
847 - I set my TiVo for 3 1/2 hours. I twon't be enough.

Staff meeting in 67 minutes.

2006-09-28 14:53:53
874.   nofatmike
I think this game really puts that Nomo no-hitter into perspective.
2006-09-28 14:54:17
875.   Jon Weisman
New post up top, but continue chatting here.
2006-09-28 14:54:29
876.   Bob Timmermann
Vin hasn't seen anything like this since he announced a game that was highlighted by a dramatic touchdown catch in the end zone by Dwight Clark.
2006-09-28 14:54:38
877.   Uncle Miltie
I have to go accounting now, the Dodgers better pull this one out...
2006-09-28 14:55:14
878.   Zak
I have a meeting in 7 minutes. The game better be over by the time I come back at 4.
2006-09-28 14:55:21
879.   scareduck
Clearly, Atkins got that single because the Dodgers were getting into his head. Otherwise, it would have been a two-run jack.
2006-09-28 14:55:27
880.   joekings
I know it's unrealistic to expect a 1-2-3 inning, but it would be nice.
2006-09-28 14:55:48
881.   Bluebleeder87
871

i can tell you stories about pilots, i use too manifest cargo flights in LAX.

2006-09-28 14:55:49
882.   Benaiah
This would be a bad time to give up a field goal. Block it Hendy!
2006-09-28 14:55:51
883.   regfairfield
Once again, I must point out that Coors Field is now a pitchers park.
2006-09-28 14:56:05
884.   scareduck
875 - yes, it is crazy.
2006-09-28 14:56:28
885.   Johnny Nucleo
806 - the record for RBIs by a pitcher in a game is 9, so I'm guessing that a number 8 hitter has also accomplished this feat.
2006-09-28 14:56:51
886.   Eric Enders
873 IIRC you said that after the 4-homer game, too.

I'm tellin' ya... 4 hrs, 15 minutes. You almost never miss anything that way.

2006-09-28 14:56:58
887.   Sam DC
So, forecast calls for a good lot of rain out here.

I've been cleared by work and wife to go to the game. I was just getting ready to leave.

Then I saw this (radar map): http://tinyurl.com/qxey6

So what should I do?

2006-09-28 14:57:06
888.   overkill94
What the heck Kent, why didn't you step on 2nd?
2006-09-28 14:57:24
889.   trainwreck
How do you miss the bag?
2006-09-28 14:57:38
890.   underdog
Hey guys, I just got back to my desk and there seems to be something wrong with my Gameday. It says that the score is 17-10 LA. Did I miss several touchdowns? I'm glad to see Penny and Bills pitched well! Um... the Humidor is obviously in storage somewhere.
2006-09-28 14:57:47
891.   still bevens
880 I was hoping Hendrickson would pitch like he did during the Saturday night Padres/Dodgers shellacking when he had 8k's in 4IP. But I guess thats too much to ask.
2006-09-28 14:58:02
892.   Eric Enders
What on earth was that?!?!
2006-09-28 14:58:11
893.   xaphor
I refer to Jon's new post.
2006-09-28 14:58:21
894.   Bluebleeder87
i wonder how Kent would have reacted about Kent doing what Kent did, would he have yelled at him self??
2006-09-28 14:58:27
895.   Sam DC
Hmmm, putting this a little more simply, I just walked around where I could see outside and its pouring.

A thousand times rats.

2006-09-28 14:58:33
896.   Bob Timmermann
Kent is wondering how he missed the bag too.
2006-09-28 14:58:33
897.   dianagramr
stupid Kent .... he screwed up the crooked # or nothing inning pattern!
2006-09-28 14:58:48
898.   Zak
886 I'm with Enders on this one. Mine is always set to 4.5 hours. The Dish DVR, you can specify if you want a program to record 30, 45, 60 or 90 minutes past it's end time, and for Dodgers games, always pick 90.
2006-09-28 14:58:57
899.   Jon Weisman
886 - Yes, I'm slow to adapt.
2006-09-28 14:59:02
900.   underdog
It's nice to see Kent smiling at least.
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2006-09-28 14:59:05
901.   FirstMohican
This post and the post after it have set the record for largest comment differential.
2006-09-28 14:59:13
902.   overkill94
That was possibly the dumbest play I've ever seen by a future hall-of-famer.
2006-09-28 14:59:30
903.   dianagramr
ok .... workday is over for me .... see you later folks
2006-09-28 14:59:32
904.   scareduck
897 - perhaps you forgot about the seven in the top of this frame?
2006-09-28 15:00:16
905.   Eric Enders
The sixth inning was 39 minutes long.
2006-09-28 15:00:18
906.   Bob Timmermann
887
They'll play the game, Sam. Come hell or high water. They'll play.

People will come, Sam.
People will come.

2006-09-28 15:00:40
907.   underdog
Sam, if it's rained out do they hold off on a make up game unless it's necessary?
2006-09-28 15:01:38
908.   Bluebleeder87
894

he didn't so i guess he gets a free pass.

2006-09-28 15:01:38
909.   Bluebleeder87
894

he didn't so i guess he gets a free pass.

2006-09-28 15:01:48
910.   blue22
pitching change? why is the baker AB taking so long?
2006-09-28 15:02:09
911.   we are infinite
Sam I'm thinking exactly the same thing... I live a short walk from the stadium and I was planning to go tonight.
2006-09-28 15:02:17
912.   Bob Timmermann
907
Unless RFK is under a foot of water, they'll play. Sometime.
2006-09-28 15:02:46
913.   Linkmeister
906 "They will most definitely come."
2006-09-28 15:03:51
914.   Eric Enders
Glad to see you closed the comments, Jon. That would have been the blogger's version of intentional grounding.
2006-09-28 15:04:21
915.   Jon Weisman
What happened on the Kent play?
2006-09-28 15:04:21
916.   Bob Timmermann
People will just reach into their pockets and hand you a $20 bill without even thinking.

People will come.

2006-09-28 15:04:58
917.   Sam DC
Yeah, I just don't know I can justify leaving my wife to the dinnerly bedtimes duties alone just so I can sit in an empty rainpouring stadium waiting for a game to start that I will not be able to stay awake to watch.

And I've got my Ghame Over shirt on!

2006-09-28 15:04:59
918.   joekings
It kills me that the Dodgers seem to think they have enough runs.
2006-09-28 15:05:23
919.   blue22
Oh, Yahoo is playing catchup. Just blew through the top half of the seventh in about 15 seconds.
2006-09-28 15:05:57
920.   Disabled List
Gameday is totally borked. I think this game shorted it out.
2006-09-28 15:05:59
921.   Bob Timmermann
915
Kent grabbed a bouncer near second, ran to tag the bag and stepped over it for no apparent reason.
2006-09-28 15:06:22
922.   StolenMonkey86
it is pretty nasty out here. My roommate just came in, jacket & glasses pretty well soaked
2006-09-28 15:06:31
923.   Bluebleeder87
This post and the post after it have set the record for largest comment differential.

i think it's safe to say i have the record for most beers drank during a 9 inning game, so far.

2006-09-28 15:06:46
924.   underdog
By the way, in the belated and obvious statement of the day, James Loney's had a pretty good day, huh?
2006-09-28 15:06:49
925.   ddger
It ironic how Penny was so terrible and it's Hendrickson who comes to our rescue.
2006-09-28 15:07:50
926.   Sam DC
From a Nats chat: "[Backup catcher Robert] Fick was just on TV and they said they told him 830ish for the game tonight."
2006-09-28 15:08:34
927.   Linkmeister
915 Vinnie seemed to think Kent was juggling, realized he had no play at first, and just missed the bag.
2006-09-28 15:08:54
928.   joekings
everytime a ball gets hit i hold my breath.
2006-09-28 15:09:35
929.   misterjohnny
925 We've got low standards if 2.0 IP, 1 ER is to the rescue.
2006-09-28 15:09:55
930.   underdog
I can't even see anything watching on MLBTV. Those shadows are ridiculous.
2006-09-28 15:10:14
931.   Greg S
929 All things are relative.
2006-09-28 15:10:28
932.   Bluebleeder87
And I've got my Ghame Over shirt on!

i just got a flashback of my good buddy with you're comment.

2006-09-28 15:10:39
933.   underdog
That was a super reception by Tomko to snag Loney's very high toss. I think Loney's still all googly eyed from his 9 RBIs.
2006-09-28 15:10:54
934.   Midwest Blue
Loney must have thought Hendy was still pitching, he threw that ball so high.
2006-09-28 15:10:58
935.   blue22
Just a reminder - Broxton threw 36 pitches in 2 innings last night. Saito threw 17 pitches in the 9th.
2006-09-28 15:11:18
936.   joekings
i can't believe it, a 1-2-3 inning.
2006-09-28 15:11:41
937.   Greg S
Come on Betemit. Get on so you can score on Loney's triple!
2006-09-28 15:11:50
938.   xaphor
Tomko with the best Dodger pitching performance of the night. Who'd have thought?
2006-09-28 15:11:59
939.   Eric Enders
Drats. Loney coming up second, so no record possible.

Yet.

2006-09-28 15:11:59
940.   StolenMonkey86
11 pitches, 1-2-3 for Tomko
2006-09-28 15:12:00
941.   Greg S
Whoops, I mean double!
2006-09-28 15:13:14
942.   scooplew
I just got home after being out all day. What's been happening?
2006-09-28 15:13:28
943.   blue22
The 4 most (only?) effective pitchers today:

Hendrickson
Tomko
Tom Martin
Mike Venafro
Jeremy Affeldt

That's quite a group.

2006-09-28 15:13:39
944.   Jon Weisman
Brett Tomko is BACK :)
2006-09-28 15:13:50
945.   ddger
I think Tomko pitches better in low pressure situations (4 runs or more difference).
2006-09-28 15:14:09
946.   underdog
Go for 10 RBIs, Loney!
2006-09-28 15:14:26
947.   Jon Weisman
Ninth pitcher for the Rockies.
2006-09-28 15:15:46
948.   JoeyP
Nate's not around but does anyone remember if Troy Tulowitski was supposed to be a good player? He was the 7th pick overall in the 2005 draft.
2006-09-28 15:16:51
949.   Greg S
That rookie is no good. He doesn't deserve to bat!
2006-09-28 15:17:00
950.   scareduck
What's wrong with Loney? No triple?
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2006-09-28 15:17:13
951.   underdog
James, you should be ashamed of yourself! ;-)
2006-09-28 15:17:22
952.   popup
I am listening to the game via XM and Rockies radio. The Rockie broadcasters are saying Loney has tied a franchise record with his 9 rbi.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-28 15:17:36
953.   joekings
Now lugo gets a hit.
2006-09-28 15:17:39
954.   blue22
Lidge closes out a 3-0 win for the Astros.
2006-09-28 15:17:39
955.   JoeyP
This server is going to get pounded this weekend.
2006-09-28 15:18:04
956.   Midwest Blue
DFA Loney.
2006-09-28 15:18:11
957.   Bluebleeder87
am i crazy for thinking maybe Loney still has one more AB?
2006-09-28 15:18:15
958.   xaphor
Even Lugo gets a hit. I again defer to Jon's new post.
2006-09-28 15:19:04
959.   scareduck
952 - he owns the LA record now.
2006-09-28 15:19:05
960.   underdog
952 Yeah, for the record Ron Cey had the LA record with 8 and 9 was the all-time Dodgers record.

Hey, why is Russell still in there? Not that the game is over yet but would have been good to rest him some.

2006-09-28 15:19:11
961.   ssjames
I can't believe even Lugo got a hit. By the way you can blame me for the stop of scoring. Believe it or not, all of the Dodgers runs today have been scored when I was out at lunch or just in court. Nothing has been scored while I have been at my desk. Maybe I should leave again?
2006-09-28 15:19:35
962.   bhsportsguy
948 I think he progressed rather quickly, he was drafted last year. He is the heir apparent to the shortstop position.
2006-09-28 15:19:49
963.   blue22
Bob - that's a helluva hyperlink you have on your new Griddle post. :)
2006-09-28 15:20:36
964.   bhsportsguy
960 I hope he can get a rest starting in the bottom of the 8th.
2006-09-28 15:20:58
965.   Ben P
Sam DC -- I'm in Washington too and I just tried leaving my office to walk to the Metro, then turned right around and came back inside. It's pouring. I don't see how they get the game in. I was planning to just buy a ticket at the gate and I'm glad I didn't buy one ahead of time.
2006-09-28 15:20:59
966.   Midwest Blue
961 If they come within 2 runs, you must leave the room immediately.
2006-09-28 15:21:04
967.   Bluebleeder87
Nice to see Repko in there
2006-09-28 15:21:55
968.   misterjohnny
957 Need three more guys on base after the furcal walk. I don't like the odds, but it could happen
2006-09-28 15:22:26
969.   ssjames
966 Honestly, I will do it. Hopefully they score now so I see it happen at least on gameday.
2006-09-28 15:22:42
970.   JoeyP
Martin's caught alot of pitches today.
I'd let Hall finish out this game. Russ needs his rest for what will probably be harder games in SF.
2006-09-28 15:22:43
971.   Greg S
I didn't even know that L.A. had a football team.
2006-09-28 15:22:43
972.   trainwreck
Im getting exhausted just watching this game.
2006-09-28 15:22:56
973.   fan 4 40 plus
there's my 30 runs... and at least for now the distribution is good.
2006-09-28 15:22:58
974.   Bluebleeder87
i think we're gonna score 50 runs today.
2006-09-28 15:23:16
975.   underdog
Yeehaw! They should go for the two-point conversion here just to round it out. Maybe Clint Hurdle should come in and pitch.
2006-09-28 15:23:24
976.   Dark Horse
OK, we gotta push this thing up over a thousand before Jon starts a new topic for real.

I'm not--quite--comfortable with a six-run lead.

Oops. I guess I'm a little more comfortable with an 8-run lead. But still uneasy.

2006-09-28 15:23:34
977.   Bob Timmermann
The Dodgers need to leave 2 runners on in the 9th to keep pace for the record.
2006-09-28 15:23:51
978.   ssjames
969 Well, at least now I don't need to leave the room, probably. Did anyone else notice that we have had 15 pitcher in 15 half innings (amazing).
2006-09-28 15:23:52
979.   dzzrtRatt
952 Yes. Sets an LA Dodger record, ties an alltime Dodger record, with Gil Hodges.

I don't know, I kind of like the idea of Loney being tied with Hodges. Like passing the torch. So I'm happy if he stick at this number. But the way this game is going, he probably won't.

2006-09-28 15:24:43
980.   popup
According to Rockie broadcasters the record for runs scored in a game at Coors Field is 36. Reds won a game at Coors 24-12.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-28 15:24:52
981.   Greg S
976 What would Jim Tracy have done in this situation? How would Depo handle the post season roster? Discuss.
2006-09-28 15:25:03
982.   underdog
I hope the streaky Dodgers haven't just blown their... er, haven't gotten all the runs out of their system for the next few days. Can we put some in reserve?
2006-09-28 15:25:29
983.   Bob Timmermann
980
Ron Villone got a save in that game for the Reds.
2006-09-28 15:25:31
984.   Jon Weisman
Hey Bob! Tomko is eligible for the save!
2006-09-28 15:26:17
985.   nofatmike
976. Why couldn't we have this kind of offense back in 2003, and why can't we have that kind of rotation and bullpen now?
2006-09-28 15:26:24
986.   misterjohnny
Bases loaded in the ninth, Loney hits a bases clearing double to hit for the cycle and tie the 12 RBI record! It could happen.
2006-09-28 15:26:43
987.   Bob Timmermann
984
And Tomko is likely to receive better treatment than Jae Seo.
2006-09-28 15:26:52
988.   overkill94
You know, for a game with 30 runs, 49 hits+walks, and 15 pitchers, this game isn't taking THAT long.
2006-09-28 15:27:00
989.   JoeyP
Is that 15-3 vs the Rockies this season?
2006-09-28 15:27:28
990.   ddger
Tomko, will you please finish out this game so that we can save Broxton and Saito.
2006-09-28 15:27:30
991.   Sam DC
965 I'm now trying to decide if its a fair use of my night off to wait out the rain a while at the Tune Inn where my buddy tends bar.

About to make the call home . . .

2006-09-28 15:27:34
992.   fan 4 40 plus
what's that rule when pitching with a big lead??? walk the leadoff man...
2006-09-28 15:27:37
993.   DXMachina
986 Except he needs a triple. Otherwise, I like the plan.
2006-09-28 15:27:40
994.   Jon Weisman
976 - No danger there.
2006-09-28 15:27:58
995.   Midwest Blue
Why is Martin still in this game?
2006-09-28 15:28:22
996.   Jacob L
I want to be 1,000.
2006-09-28 15:28:28
997.   Midwest Blue
Here they come again...
2006-09-28 15:28:43
998.   Jacob L
Try again.
2006-09-28 15:28:54
999.   Midwest Blue
Am I ????
2006-09-28 15:29:19
1000.   Bob Timmermann
995
Toby Hall and Einar Diaz injured each other in a duel this morning with epees.
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2006-09-28 15:29:19
1001.   underdog
Jeez. Can't we just shoot this game and put it out of its memory?
2006-09-28 15:29:25
1002.   ddger
Tomko's not looking good this inning. Is anyone warming up?
2006-09-28 15:29:26
1003.   Midwest Blue
Did I???
2006-09-28 15:29:27
1004.   DXMachina
1000?
2006-09-28 15:29:33
1005.   blue22
10 hundred!
2006-09-28 15:29:43
1006.   Disabled List
1000?
2006-09-28 15:30:02
1007.   Greg S
982/984/989
These posts are all assuming we will win today.
2006-09-28 15:30:18
1008.   Bob Timmermann
Woo hoo! Bob 1K!
2006-09-28 15:30:24
1009.   DXMachina
Rats!
2006-09-28 15:30:34
1010.   misterjohnny
1000!
2006-09-28 15:30:37
1011.   Midwest Blue
TILT. (Missed it by that much -- Maxwell Smart)

Of course, it had to be Bob.

2006-09-28 15:30:37
1012.   blue22
Bob gets it with the backup catcher update. Fitting, if you ask me. :)
2006-09-28 15:30:42
1013.   underdog
1001 "misery" that should read. Though the other almost works.

If Tomko gives up a touchdown I'm going to become very, very angry.

2006-09-28 15:30:58
1014.   tjshere
My goodness, y`all have been busy! If I try to read all these comments in one sitting my eyeballs will implode.
2006-09-28 15:31:15
1015.   DXMachina
1000 Don't you mean sabrs?
2006-09-28 15:31:16
1016.   Sam DC
Bob -- you've got to go pick up your room a little.
2006-09-28 15:31:22
1017.   fan 4 40 plus
Good ol' Garret... U rah rah rah C rah rah rah
2006-09-28 15:32:00
1018.   Gen3Blue
Did you see the one Loney picked out on the 2nd hop to make the double play.

Who is coming up in the ninth- we may need offense.

2006-09-28 15:32:05
1019.   Midwest Blue
Two more runs for the three TD game. LET'S GO FOR IT!!
2006-09-28 15:32:05
1020.   ddger
It's going to be hard to sit down Loney tomorrow if Nomar starts.
2006-09-28 15:32:20
1021.   scareduck
As high-scoring as this game is, it's only the 13th game with 30 or more runs scoring this century. The last such game was a 26-5 blowout of the hapless 2004 Royals against almost as sucky Tigers.

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09091DET2004.htm

2006-09-28 15:32:42
1022.   GoBears
Hey all,

Just got done teaching (*&$#(&@ classes started today).

Anything interesting going on in the game, or is the humidor still working its magic?

2006-09-28 15:33:06
1023.   Jacob L
Its only appropriate that post 1000 goes to one of Bob's witty rejoinders.

Touche!

2006-09-28 15:33:19
1024.   dzzrtRatt
I am not proud of the fact that during the past week, I've been so focused on the Dodgers, I've barely paid attention to the fact that there is an enormous fire burning in northern LA County/Ventura County that they can't seem to contain.

In other news, a House panel compared the HP scandal to Watergate, they identified the creepy hostage-taker in Colorado, and another witness has come forward to say that Sen. George Allen used the N word in the 70s while playing rugby.

2006-09-28 15:33:51
1025.   Sam DC
1012 Well, you'll recall that Bob worked with Diebold in the designing of this web site.
2006-09-28 15:34:10
1026.   overkill94
I can't believe Delwyn Young used to play 2B
2006-09-28 15:34:12
1027.   Gen3Blue
So many have been posting so fast today I cut back because I couldn't keep up.
2006-09-28 15:34:21
1028.   popup
1K could not have gone to a more deserving poster.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-28 15:34:51
1029.   bhsportsguy
What innings will they cut for the replay tonight at 11. In the replays of the four homer plus one game, they cut out innings 4-6, which innings can they cut from this one.
2006-09-28 15:34:59
1030.   Midwest Blue
1024 ...And now back to your regularly scheduled programming: Home Run Derby.
2006-09-28 15:35:30
1031.   Jacob L
3 more outs to get the heck out of Denver.
2006-09-28 15:35:47
1032.   JoeyP
Its amazing for a team that scores 19 runs to only leave 5 men on base.
2006-09-28 15:35:47
1033.   overkill94
Hmmm, two batters in front of Loney, 3 RBI to tie the record, hmmmm
2006-09-28 15:35:48
1034.   bhsportsguy
Bob, will you posting an update on the Dodgers quest for offensive recorda after the game?
2006-09-28 15:36:22
1035.   bhsportsguy
1032 That burns Bob.
2006-09-28 15:36:22
1036.   trainwreck
Is Grady trying to kill Martin?
2006-09-28 15:36:46
1037.   Bob Timmermann
And I got to use the word "epee" too.
2006-09-28 15:36:51
1038.   Sam DC
1032 Oooooh . . . salt in the wounds, there.

It's OK, Bob, he didn't mean anything by it.

2006-09-28 15:37:27
1039.   Ben P
Sam DC -- Tune Inn is a good call. I may go next door here to Irish Times.
2006-09-28 15:38:09
1040.   Sam DC
I've been not to come home, and not to think that this wrench in my plans entitles me to some sort of makeup game type outing.
2006-09-28 15:38:39
1041.   Greg S
This has been a truly great week to be a Dodger fan. There are a lot of reasons I hope we get to the post season. One of the big ones is that I want the 4 HR game to be remembered and going to the post season will only make it more special.
2006-09-28 15:39:21
1042.   Linkmeister
1024 And the Senate defeated an amendment to save the 700-year-old legal principle known as habeas corpus.

Sorry, I'm angry.

Back to baseball.

2006-09-28 15:39:26
1043.   GoBears
1032 Its amazing for a team that scores 19 runs to only leave 5 men on base.

Huh? Why is that amazing? Scoring 19 pretty much HAS to mean cashing in on most opportunities, and probably with some HRs, which tend to clear the bases.

2006-09-28 15:39:32
1044.   Jon Weisman
1039 - No takers for the Four P's?
2006-09-28 15:40:16
1045.   Jacob L
I was fine with Stults pitching the 9th on Tuesday, but not all 8 run leads are created equal. Bring in the closer!!
2006-09-28 15:40:34
1046.   popup
If Stults can get the next 3 outs without giving up the lead he should get a save.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-28 15:41:59
1047.   Greg S
1045 Let's not get too silly. 8 runs in the 9th is fine, even today.
2006-09-28 15:42:08
1048.   Ben P
Jon -- Brace yourself, the Four P's no longer exists as such. It's now called the Four Green Fields. Basically the same bar, though. I live a block from it.
2006-09-28 15:42:44
1049.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Player of the Game: Eric Stults.
2006-09-28 15:42:51
1050.   Greg S
We win!

I don't care at all how we win. We win.

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2006-09-28 15:43:13
1051.   StolenMonkey86
1-2-3 on 5 pitches.

That's the ballgame.

2006-09-28 15:43:17
1052.   Jon Weisman
1048 ... I couldn't have imagined that could ever happen in 1993.
2006-09-28 15:43:23
1053.   Jacob L
1046 I think you're right. An addition to the save rule that reads "in any game with multiple seven run innings, a pitcher finishing the game without relinquishing the lead is credited a save."

Stults is the closer.

2006-09-28 15:43:28
1054.   Brendan
James Loney is 22. He is going to be a monster at 28.
2006-09-28 15:43:40
1055.   scareduck
The last time the Dodgers were involved in a game scoring 30 or more combined runs was June 30, 1996, also at Colorado:

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B06300COL1996.htm

Before that, there was a June 24, 1950 21-12 blowout of Pittsburgh.

2006-09-28 15:44:00
1056.   Marty
Work has gotten insane for me the last few weeks so I haven't been able to comment much. But how about that Loney. We should call him Big Game James II.

Also, nice job of breaking the 1k comment barrier, and the Phillies game hasn't even started yet.

2006-09-28 15:44:31
1057.   Greg S
Wow, what happens if it rains out in DC? Make up on Monday? What if we're tied at the end of the make up game?
2006-09-28 15:45:09
1058.   Sam DC
1044 Not stadium adjacent if the rain breaks.

But when you bring the kids out for a visit, we're definitely going there!

We win. Surreal.

2006-09-28 15:45:09
1059.   scareduck
1042 - you're not the only one. Villainy doesn't begin to describe what these creeps are up to.
2006-09-28 15:45:15
1060.   GoBears
I love Ray King.

Seeing him walk in from the opponent's bullpen is like waking up after a nightmare - you just know that everything's going to be OK.

2006-09-28 15:45:51
1061.   JoeyP
Maybe I should say..It amazing to convert 19 of 24 base runners into runs.
2006-09-28 15:45:54
1062.   fan 4 40 plus
1024 did you know that Senator Allen did worse than that before the PV High football game with Centennial ...
2006-09-28 15:46:14
1063.   StolenMonkey86
Loney's now OPSing .880 on the year
2006-09-28 15:46:20
1064.   scooplew
Are the 36 runs a club record for a three-game series?
2006-09-28 15:46:22
1065.   Johnny Nucleo
And the Rockies go down like lambs. Excellent.
2006-09-28 15:46:22
1066.   D4P
I credit this victory to Mark Hendrickson.
2006-09-28 15:47:23
1067.   Sam DC
Hmmm ... I was thinking of the 4 Ps in Cleveland Park by the zoo. Different place?
2006-09-28 15:47:54
1068.   ssjames
All I can say about that game is "So, that happened." Seriously what a game, I can't believe how little I got done. Three games left and if they are anything like this one I may not be alive by the time the playoffs roll around.
2006-09-28 15:49:05
1069.   GoBears
1066. So does the official scorer.
2006-09-28 15:49:39
1070.   underdog
My Coworker-the-Giants-Fan just asked me "Who the heck is James Loney?"

Hee hee. I said, "He ain't no Lance Niekro, that's who." No, I didn't, but thought it.

2006-09-28 15:49:48
1071.   Greg S
The other great thing about today is that everybody is watching the scoreboard. This will be a message not only to the Phils and Padres, but to our potential postseason opponents as well. If you only saw the end result, you'd be impressed with the Dodges; the 11 runs we gave up won't look so prominent.
2006-09-28 15:51:02
1072.   underdog
So...

What's the latest on Penny's back?

And aren't you happy I'm not going to visit my jinxing butt upon the Dodgers here in SF this weekend?

2006-09-28 15:51:50
1073.   bhsportsguy
I don't think I am going out on a limb but tonight is a huge game for the Padres and Jake Peavy, the rest of the weekend features Hensley against Livan Hernandez, Wells (probably Thompson) against Edgar Gonzalez who has won his last 2 starts, 1 against the Padres, and then Williams against Webb.

I am just saying, if we can go into the weekend all tied. I like our chances.

2006-09-28 15:51:55
1074.   Ben P
1067 -- Yeah, the Four Ps in Cleveland Park was renamed Four Green Fields several months ago. The Fous P's in Vienna, Va, still exists.
2006-09-28 15:52:12
1075.   dzzrtRatt
1062 Not only do I know it, I witnessed it. I was a freshman at PVHS when Allen was a senior. I was very aware of him, of course, b/c of his dad. He was also the QB for the varsity team. One morning, I remember seeing all the graffitti all over the school -- race-baiting graffiti that was meant to be viewed as if blacks had done it. During my first class, there was an interruption over the loudspeaker. It was George Allen, Jr., being forced by the principle to apologize for this stunt.
2006-09-28 15:52:19
1076.   Chiron Brown
After the money duo of Penny/Billz, five Dodger pitchers limited the Rockies to two runs on four hits. Pretty amazing.
2006-09-28 15:53:06
1077.   Jon Weisman
1067 - That's what I meant.

Dodgers' magic number for a playoff spot is 3. To ensure that they're playing past Sunday, magic number is 2.

2006-09-28 15:53:07
1078.   D4P
1069
What a coincidence...
2006-09-28 15:53:13
1079.   dzzrtRatt
1071 The message the Dodgers sent today: Don't be the Colorado Rockies.
2006-09-28 15:53:41
1080.   Jon Weisman
1069 - No holds?
2006-09-28 15:54:03
1081.   underdog
1071 I agree. It's fun to know the Dodgers have made the others nervous - it can't help them. Honestly, I'm fine just making the playoffs as a WC at this point, but assume the Dodgers will be going all out to also try to win division.
2006-09-28 15:54:33
1082.   Bob Timmermann
No one was ever in a save situation today.
2006-09-28 15:55:21
1083.   Bob Timmermann
They don't award holds for the three-inning thingees.
2006-09-28 15:55:35
1084.   fan 4 40 plus
1075 I wasn't sure where you were relative to the "esteemed" Senator Allen... btw say hello to you brother M, I was in his class '77
2006-09-28 16:00:03
1085.   Jon Weisman
1083 - Oh. Hey, lesson learned!
2006-09-28 16:01:16
1086.   Sam DC
Allright, I'm off. And this thread certainly falls into the "too big to have any chance of viewing mobile" category.

Great series.

2006-09-28 16:01:59
1087.   ninjavshippo
1042, 1059 - i'm glad this isn't going unnoticed. villainy of it's purporters aside, i'm more angry that 1) it's not being reported, and 2) there weren't enough spines to pass the amendment
2006-09-28 16:04:40
1088.   scareduck
1087 - nor to filibuster the version that's about to escape the Senate.
2006-09-28 16:05:00
1089.   Gen3Blue
I think Loney did himself a valuable service today. I know I have carried my obsession with keeping prospects to an extreme with him, and may bore some to death.
But I am paranoid, and suspect an old boys network in baseball. First base for the D's is a plum that could pay some crippled old vet 10 mil. But this day in which Loney put himself in a sentence with Hodges, on top of the solid work which is really more valuable, means he can't be traded for less than an All-star level player, or a 1-2 starting pitcher. I won't let myself be depressed at this point by remembering some of those relievers we got from Florida were supposed All-Stars. Anybody disagree.
2006-09-28 16:05:32
1090.   natepurcell
taking 19 units is seriously killing my dodger september enjoyment ability.

i miss the 4 homer game, i miss the rumble in coors. i miss everything.

2006-09-28 16:05:35
1091.   scareduck
1072 - What's the latest on Penny's back?

Well, a loss except for James Loney's nine RBIs.

2006-09-28 16:08:25
1092.   GMac In The 909
I love this stuff. I may move to Colorado! ... or not
2006-09-28 16:09:31
1093.   ToyCannon
1075
Sounds like a bad HS movie script. I always liked George Allen Senior but then I was a huge Rams fan.
2006-09-28 16:11:24
1094.   GMac In The 909
Anyone else glad it is raining in Washington so the Phillies have to sit there and think about the 19 runs the Dodgers put up?
2006-09-28 16:12:35
1095.   ToyCannon
ESPN is showing the Orioles/Yanks when the Padres and Cardinals are fighting for a playoff spot!!! Man I miss owning the baseball package at this time of year.
2006-09-28 16:13:30
1096.   ssjames
Anyone else feel emotionally tired right now, and just want to take a nap after a game like that?
2006-09-28 16:14:01
1097.   ToyCannon
1094
Both teams could use the rest but as Bob said they have to play the game sometime cause there is no place for a makeup and what a mess it will cause to make them play on Monday if it then forces a tiebreaker game to be played.
2006-09-28 16:15:34
1098.   Bruce Siegel
Here's an interesting thought. Things seemed pretty gloomy after the first inning today, when Penny gave up three runs. As it turned out, given the final score, the Dodgers would have won even if Penny had given up TEN runs in the first.

Mathematically, anyway. Psychologically, it might have been a little tricky to come back from a deficit like that.

2006-09-28 16:18:09
1099.   blue22
1098 - Well, give Penny credit for "keeping them in the game", I guess.
2006-09-28 16:19:05
1100.   GMac In The 909
1097 How about the Phils and Nats play at 9 a.m. tomorrow? I'm sure they could make it to Florida 10-15 minutes before first pitch.
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2006-09-28 16:19:15
1101.   blue22
Inside The Dodgers with 132 comments today. Wonder if that's a record there.
2006-09-28 16:20:30
1102.   Gen3Blue
Oh no. Delayed in DC. Sam; how hard is it raining and is it getting better?
2006-09-28 16:21:18
1103.   Bruce Siegel
1099 I think I'd rather give Loney the credit for that.
2006-09-28 16:22:04
1104.   dkminnick
Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but with four available games having playoff ramifications, ESPN is showing the Yankees/Baltimore. Are they insane?
2006-09-28 16:24:00
1105.   dkminnick
1095, 1104 - Oops - Sorry for the redundancy. Will they go to DC when it stops raining?
2006-09-28 16:24:10
1106.   fan 4 40 plus
Orel (doing color on ESPN2) just said his son was a senior in high school and a 6'8" 240 lb first baseman/ pitcher !!! Is he kidding??
2006-09-28 16:25:43
1107.   fanerman
I missed out on this game to write a paper?! Aaaaahhhhhhhhhh!
2006-09-28 16:25:50
1108.   overkill94
1075 Was that the inspiration for the scene in Fast Times at Ridgemont High where they make it look like the star linebacker's (Forrest Whitaker) car was messed up by the opposing team?
2006-09-28 16:27:59
1109.   GoBears
1104. I've almost completely given up on ESPN. I still click on ESPNews if ever I'm in the kitchen for a few minutes, but that's it. I don't think I've seen SportsCenter for 3-4 years. Baseball Tonight is all Jeter-and-Papi all the time. Feh.

Luckily, ESPN is nowhere near the monopoly it was 5 years ago. The internet has so many other sources of information, that they can enjoy their New York-Boston niche, and I can enjoy everything else.

2006-09-28 16:29:08
1110.   kevinarno
From your local weather geek:

[WASHINGTON, DC]

Thunderstorms this evening will give way to steady rain overnight. A few storms may be severe early. Low 56F. Winds W at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 90%.

2006-09-28 16:30:13
1111.   Bob Timmermann
1096
I just took a nap.
2006-09-28 16:30:52
1112.   scooplew
The Rockies had 13 players in the No. 9 position in today's game...
2006-09-28 16:33:36
1113.   GoBears
1111. Bob Timmermann

Looks like Bob's building a picket fence up there.

2006-09-28 16:34:24
1114.   Nagman
Philly radio guys say the rain has slowed down to a "trickle" but the tarp is still on and there is a lot of water on it, AND they've been told there is more on the way.
2006-09-28 16:34:41
1115.   Gagne55
I just get back from classes and this is what I find. I guess I should have ditched kinesiology. ;)
2006-09-28 16:38:02
1116.   scooplew
The Dodgers' starting first baseman this week -- Garciaparra for three games, Loney for one -- have gone 10-for-16, with four homers, a double, five runs scored, 16 knocked in, a walk and a strikeout. That is an on-base percentage of .647 and a slugging percentage of 1.438 for an OPS of 2.085.
2006-09-28 16:38:56
1117.   50 years a Dodger Fan
They definitely have ordered the coffin for Nomar. Maybe they can make it a double, make room for Penny. He probably feels like a penney, his team scoring 19 runs and he can't stick around long enough to get a W. Little should have him pitch a couple of innings in relief to audition for another start. I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities for that in the next three days.
2006-09-28 16:39:03
1118.   Gagne55
Just reading the box score, it looks like Penny can be declared toast at this point.
2006-09-28 16:39:19
1119.   bhsportsguy
Just to help Bob out,
Current percentages:
OBP - .346
BA - .276
SLG - .434

The Dodgers have now scored 808 runs which is the second most in LA history.

They also had 9 extra base hits.

2006-09-28 16:40:44
1120.   bhsportsguy
1119 I am the least confident about my OBP number due to no HBPs to insert the calculation.
2006-09-28 16:42:28
1121.   bhsportsguy
1104 The Yankees have the all important home field advantage to play for, plus we get psych analysis on how important the playoffs will be for A-Rod.
2006-09-28 16:43:45
1122.   Gagne55
Don't know if anybody has mentioned this yet, but 6 of the 7 pitchers used by the Dodgers have been primarily starters in their careers. Beimel is the exception.

A win without Broxton or Saito when the starter only went 1 inning. Who'd have thunk it.

2006-09-28 16:43:54
1123.   blue22
1118 - He struck out the side! That was kinda good.
2006-09-28 16:44:39
1124.   Gagne55
1119 How many is the record?
2006-09-28 16:47:47
1125.   Gagne55
842 in 1962? I just looked up some big win years and found that. So, 34 runs in three games? With the way the Giants have been pitching...
2006-09-28 16:49:01
1126.   underdog
1117 Let's just say he's been pitching more like J.C. Penny lately and hope a little rest will make him of some use in the playoffs.
2006-09-28 16:53:59
1127.   Bob Timmermann
1125
The Dodgers benefited from 165 games in 1962 because of the playoff.
2006-09-28 16:57:21
1128.   underdog
In case anyone cares, Tony Gwynn and Jeff Passan on Yahoo both picked the Padres and Phils to be the playoff teams of the threesome. (That was recordeed a day or so ago.) So I guess it's all over, eh.
2006-09-28 16:57:27
1129.   trainwreck
If we play the Mets in the first round, I hope Grady puts in Kuo for the first game. Left-handed pitching shuts the Mets down and Kuo has already done it this season. Plus, he has been our best starter since he came back.

Who would have guessed Kuo would even be in consideration to be our ace for the first round of the playoffs?

2006-09-28 16:58:37
1130.   Bob Timmermann
1129
That comment is so 75 through 110.
2006-09-28 16:59:51
1131.   trainwreck
1130
I was still asleep when those comments happened.
2006-09-28 17:01:51
1132.   Disabled List
Just got this week's SI. Tommy Lasorda appears in one of the ESPN/Fox's print ads for the upcoming postseason. Tommy's tagline is "Watch the games! Missing October is like missing dessert!"

It's opposite page 41. I can't tell if the ad is supposed to be be evoking a Soviet propaganda poster, or the Godfather. He looks just like Vito Corleone.

2006-09-28 17:04:51
1133.   scareduck
So, Jon, do you still have a job?
2006-09-28 17:05:26
1134.   Shotupthemiddle
291 I was only joking with my first post, but it seemed to be a pretty good hunch, all things considered....
2006-09-28 17:06:22
1135.   scooplew
1125 1127 The Dodgers scored 12 runs in the three-game playoff. All the playofff stats counted in regular-season stats. Maury Wills played in all 165 games at shortstop that season. He started 164 of them. In the other one, June 10 in Houston, he was part of a double-switch with one out in the 9th inning when the catcher, Norm Sherry, was injured. Wills went in at shortstop for Daryl Spencer, and Johnny Roseboro at catcher for Sherry. Wills' mark of 165 games will be tough to beat.
2006-09-28 17:06:53
1136.   Gagne55
1129 Um... Kuo would be on three days rest for game 1.
2006-09-28 17:09:27
1137.   Jon Weisman
1133 - Yep. A few details at:

screenjam.toaster.tv

2006-09-28 17:10:15
1138.   Bob Timmermann
If the Dodgers made the playoffs, they would likely start on Wednesday.
2006-09-28 17:10:37
1139.   Gagne55
Dodgers could be in first place by the end of the day. (though not really since the Pads own the tiebreaker for the division)
2006-09-28 17:12:05
1140.   trainwreck
1136
Do you trust Brad Penny against the Mets?
2006-09-28 17:14:40
1141.   Jon Weisman
Am I correct that the Dodgers' 85th win today eliminated Houston from the wild-card race, and did anyone mention it?

Before today's games, the following was possible:

84-78 Houston
84-78 Los Angeles and/or Philadelphia

2006-09-28 17:16:05
1142.   underdog
I don't trust Brad Penny against the Toledo Mudhens right now. But hopefully if a game 4 or 5 was necessary in a playoff series he could go and be healthier and more effective. A lot to hope for given what we've seen recently but...
2006-09-28 17:18:50
1143.   Bob Timmermann
2-0 Brewers on a Bill Hall homer.
2006-09-28 17:19:19
1144.   Jim Hitchcock
O.k. In a nutshell, what did I miss?
2006-09-28 17:19:36
1145.   Bob Timmermann
1141
You are correct. The pennant races are so simpler now!
2006-09-28 17:20:42
1146.   Jim Hitchcock
Man, 1144 comments?

What, are you guys crazy?

Oh, wait, that's the next post...

2006-09-28 17:20:45
1147.   Bob Timmermann
TBFIB™ are booing Jason Marquis.
2006-09-28 17:23:01
1148.   Jonny6
1137
Jon, between this site, your job, the heavy TV habits that you mentioned in your other website, your kids and family, and Dodgers games - I just have one question: dude, when do you sleep? I hope at least your yard looks like crap.
2006-09-28 17:25:01
1149.   Bob Timmermann
Jon has taught his son to walk by having him rest against a power mower while doing it.
2006-09-28 17:26:35
1150.   bhsportsguy
1143 Yeah, for Bill Hall.

1119 Bob, I did not mean to step on your toes.

1141 I do believe that now the races can be classified this way.

NL Central
St. Louis 81-76 (4)
Houston 81-78
Cincy 78-80

NL West
San Diego 85-73 (4)
L.A. 85-74

NL Wild Card
LA 85-74 (3)
Phil 83-75

Bob can salute the Reds if they lose and St. Louis comes back, otherwise the fun goes on at least until Saturday.

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2006-09-28 17:26:44
1151.   nofatmike
The Dodgers have officially moved their Single A affiliate from Vero Beach to San Berdoo.

http://tinyurl.com/loubp

Looks like I have more reason to attend their $2 beer night than, well, their $2 beers. It's a shame though that they're coming back AFTER all the current crop of prospects have been promoted above Single A.

2006-09-28 17:26:59
1152.   Jon Weisman
1148 - It does!
2006-09-28 17:28:26
1153.   bhsportsguy
1147 Well, at this rate, it seems assured that they will only get one home game guaranteed for the playoffs if they make it.

That game against the Giants sure looks like it will happen.

2006-09-28 17:28:38
1154.   trainwreck
1151
Playing in smog out to improve their conditioning. Kind of like our own version of Coors.
2006-09-28 17:29:18
1155.   Jacob L
Where would you rather spend your summers as a 19-20 year old - San Bernardino, CA of Vero Beach, FL?
2006-09-28 17:29:24
1156.   bhsportsguy
1151 With some of the pitching we have plus I think Josh Bell will hit a ton in San Berdoo.
2006-09-28 17:30:36
1157.   nofatmike
1155. I live in Corona, I don't have much of a choice.
2006-09-28 17:31:04
1158.   Jonny6
1152
Aha! I'll take solace in that. And now off to see my little ragamuffins.

Great day in DT land!!

2006-09-28 17:32:46
1159.   Jacob L
So what's the consensus opinion? Would we rather have the Nats and Phils get it in tonight, come heck and high water, or would we rather have the Phils play the weekend with the spectre of an extra game on tap for Monday?
2006-09-28 17:35:29
1160.   overkill94
1151 Sweet, now I can finally see some prospects once in a while. We should have many SB scouting trips throughout the year, although don't count on me as a designated driver. My car, on the other hand, will be open to be driven by anyone who doesn't suck at driving.
2006-09-28 17:36:03
1161.   Robert Daeley
I am breaking radio silence long enough to crow that the stadium for the new Dodger affiliate is 10 miles from my house and 1 mile from my office.

Holy. Crap.

2006-09-28 17:38:06
1162.   das411
Good god people, 1200 comments on a schoolnight?!?!?

I guess I know what I'll be spending all weekend reading...

2006-09-28 17:40:26
1163.   Robert Daeley
1161 I should probably have included the small fact that I'm talking about the 66ers.

Hey, I already have a pennant up in my cubicle! :)

2006-09-28 17:42:14
1164.   Jon Weisman
3-0 Brewers
2006-09-28 17:42:19
1165.   Bob Timmermann
3-0 Brewers in the 2nd. Jason Marquis is not a popular man in St. Louis.
2006-09-28 17:44:49
1166.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
1159 The former. If the Dodgers lead or trail the Phils by 1/2 game at the end of Sunday, the Phils would make up on Monday, and if they end up tied, then the Dodgers and Phils would have a freakin' playoff on Tuesday (in LA, I think), and then have to fly that night to New York to open against the Mets on Wednesday.

(I may be wrong about this, but I could be right. In any case, anything that extends the season isn't good for the Dodgers, and it might be far better for the Dodgers that the Phils play a game that ends really, really late, like last night's game did).

2006-09-28 17:48:21
1167.   Bob Timmermann
It's 4-0 Milwaukee after 1 1/2.
2006-09-28 17:52:10
1168.   underdog
The Cardinals pitching is so awful right now I'd almost have mixed feelings, if I were a fan, about them making vs. missing the playoffs.
2006-09-28 17:52:15
1169.   Jacob L
1166 - The Phils have home field in a playoff against LA. So that would definitely stink. I'm just thinking its tough on Philly if they have to go from Washington to Florida back to Washington, and potentially home in order to get in. Especially tough if they're thinking they have to win every game.
2006-09-28 17:53:30
1170.   Jacob L
BTW, any games played on Monday, be they makeup games or tie breakers, are to be called "Games of Atonement."
2006-09-28 17:55:27
1171.   Bob Timmermann
The Cardinals announcers say that the game in DC is going to start soon. I can't vouch for their veracity.
2006-09-28 17:56:30
1172.   Bob Timmermann
Yet on Gameday, Mike O'Connor and Jimmy Rollins are staring at me with their cold, dead eyes.
2006-09-28 17:57:41
1173.   thinkingblue
1166.

If the dodgers and Phillies ended up tied, we'd get in because we won the season series.

2006-09-28 17:59:38
1174.   Bob Timmermann
1173
Sorry this isn't the NFL. The Dodgers and Phillies would have to play Game 163 to decide it.
2006-09-28 18:00:27
1175.   bhsportsguy
1173 Nope, that tiebreaker is only used for determining the division winner if both teams are not only tied for the division but also for the wild card. There is always a playoff if the tie for the wild card is between 2 or more teams in different divisions for the wild card.

I believe it does come into play if you are determining homefield for the actual playoffs between division winners.

2006-09-28 18:03:05
1176.   underdog
Jason Marquis continues to impress.
2006-09-28 18:03:49
1177.   underdog
1176 Cardinals fans might start calling him the Marquis de Sad soon enough.
2006-09-28 18:04:50
1178.   Bob Timmermann
The homefield tiebreakers are:
1) season series
2) intradivision games
3) intraleague games
4) record over the last 81 games
5) then you go one by one back in time until you get a difference.
2006-09-28 18:05:37
1179.   Bob Timmermann
I believe Jason Marquis will have a whole lot of atoning to do Monday.
2006-09-28 18:06:27
1180.   joekings
6-0 St. Louis...My wife is a huge astros fan, I bet I get a good dinner tonight.
2006-09-28 18:07:57
1181.   ToyCannon
Cool about the move. That means I'll get to see Carlos Santana play without having to pay $150 per ticket. Kershaw should also end up there at sometime. Next summer a road trip is in order.
2006-09-28 18:09:06
1182.   scooplew
Dodgertown in Vero Beach is simply a special place, a must for any longtime fan of the Dodgers as many of you are. In the lounge/bar are giant photo collages of each of the six World Championship clubs. There are wonderful, large photos of many of the greats lining the halls as well as some whimsical photos that used to be staged in spring training by enterprising photographers. The streets and the meeting rooms are named after Campanella, Koufax, Scully, Robinson, Hodges, etc. Holman Stadium is a gem of a spring training/minor league ballpark. The community would be financially and emotionally devastated should the Dodgers say good-bye to Dodgertown. I could go on and on, but I will add only that it would be a shame and a stain on history if the Dodgers abandoned Vero Beach.
2006-09-28 18:09:29
1183.   trainwreck
1181
I think Kershaw has it in his contract he has to pitch in the state of Florida so he does not have to pay income tax. I guess that means he goes to Jacksonville.
2006-09-28 18:12:19
1184.   underdog
1178 Don't forget
6) Overall Scrappiness
7) Proximity to Tommy Lasorda
2006-09-28 18:13:05
1185.   bhsportsguy
I remember when Jon was posting about the lack of HRs in one month during the season, here are the current totals by month for the Not So Big Blue Wrecking Crew.

April - 20
May - 28
June - 25
July - 17
August - 27
Sept-Oct - 34

2006-09-28 18:13:43
1186.   Gagne55
I hope the Cards and Stros have to have a playoff. Cardinals make up a game Monday, play a playoff Tuesday begin playoffs Wednesday. Think of the craziness.
2006-09-28 18:14:01
1187.   Bob Timmermann
1178
Slight correction
The tiebreaker on intraleague games is only record in the second half of scheduled intraleague games.

I don't believe it's ever come in to play.

I've never understood why homefield between the Yankees and Twins would be decided on how well the Yankees played against the East against how well the Twins played against the Central.

2006-09-28 18:14:23
1188.   natepurcell
1183

going straight from rookie ball to AA the very next year is not something i think he should do.

2006-09-28 18:16:33
1189.   natepurcell
i am definately going to some 66ers games next year. I just mapquested it and its about an hour from my house. cool! too bad the talent wont get there until midseason.
2006-09-28 18:17:23
1190.   trainwreck
1188
Certainly does not make much sense. I can't remember if that clause was ever confirmed or was just a rumor.
2006-09-28 18:18:23
1191.   KG16
Just came across ESPN that Pedro will not be pitching in the playoffs.

I'm guessing that changes things a bit, eh?

2006-09-28 18:18:23
1192.   bhsportsguy
1188 Michigan, home of the Loons has a flat rate state income tax of 3.9%, so I would imagine they would figure out someway to compensate for his contract.
2006-09-28 18:18:57
1193.   thinkingblue
1188.

I agree, but then what should he do?
2006-09-28 18:19:45
1194.   ToyCannon
Wasn't that just for this year so that his bonus would not be taxed?

I've never been to the 66er stadium, what is it like?

2006-09-28 18:20:24
1195.   natepurcell
1193

I knew the "clause" was in effect for this year. I didnt know that its for next year as well.

it feels weird to respond to comments in the thousands.

hey trainwreck. i want trade with you in the fantasy league.

2006-09-28 18:21:38
1196.   natepurcell
espn just reported Pedro is shutdown for the whole year.

so maybe we want to face the mets?

2006-09-28 18:21:44
1197.   ToyCannon
1185
Meet Marlon Anderson, slugger of upper deck bombs.
2006-09-28 18:23:08
1198.   ToyCannon
We win the WC by Saturday, Start
Game 1 - Lowe
Game 2 - Kuo
Game 3 - Maddux

Then get ready for the Padres:)

2006-09-28 18:23:18
1199.   bhsportsguy
Assuming no miracles occur in St. Louis, which match ups do you prefer.

Milwaukee at St. Louis
Fri, Sep 29 - 8:10 pm EDT
C. Capuano vs. J. Weaver
Sat, Sep 30 - 1:20 pm EDT
B. Sheets vs. J. Suppan
Sun, Oct 1 - 2:15 pm EDT
C. Villanueva vs. C. Carpenter

Houston at Atlanta
Fri, Sep 29 7:05 pm EDT
R. Clemens vs. C. James
Sat, Sep 30 7:05 pm EDT
C. Sampson vs. L. Cormier
Sun, Oct 1 1:05 pm EDT
A. Pettitte vs. J. Smoltz

Is it possible that Roger could deliver first place for the Astros tomorrow night?

2006-09-28 18:25:35
1200.   bhsportsguy
Did Sam say he was going to tonite's game? Its already coming up on 9:30, after last night's midnight affair, you just have to wonder how they are doing?
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2006-09-28 18:26:09
1201.   trainwreck
1195
Who do you want?
2006-09-28 18:26:59
1202.   natepurcell
lol. O's defense sucks and isnt helping cabrera in his no hitter chase. Cabrera needs to give up the no hitter so i can go to the gym. I am not missing two awesome things in one day.
2006-09-28 18:27:04
1203.   Robert Daeley
1194 Relatively nice, for Single A -- most of the Cal League southern div teams upgraded their parks the last few years. Field quality isn't much by Major League standards, of course, but passable. $9 buys a front row seat behind the plate.

http://ie66ers.com/stadium/

The mountains are beautiful if the air is clean that day. ;)

2006-09-28 18:27:16
1204.   trainwreck
The way Pedro has been throwing I rather have seen him pitch.
2006-09-28 18:27:36
1205.   natepurcell
1201

whats your email. i dont wanna clog up DT :)

2006-09-28 18:28:38
1206.   trainwreck
lltrainwreckll@yahoo.com
2006-09-28 18:29:17
1207.   bhsportsguy
1202 Nate, you openly violate suggested guideline number 9 but today I think it is okay.
2006-09-28 18:29:24
1208.   Bob Timmermann
The Yankees 7th
Cano - lines out
Abreu - reaches on error, moves to second on PB
Giambi - K
Abreu moves to third on PB
Sheffield - reaches on error, Abreu scores
Matsui - 4-3
2006-09-28 18:30:40
1209.   underdog
Um, did anyone else notice that it's 5-1 Baltimore in the 7th, and Cabrera for the O's is... well, did you notice the box score?

Kind of whacky. The Yankees bloggers are having fun with it.

2006-09-28 18:30:42
1210.   natepurcell
you got mail.
2006-09-28 18:31:02
1211.   bhsportsguy
If the Padres and Phillies have games like last night, can we hit 2000 tonight?
2006-09-28 18:31:12
1212.   underdog
Oops, I typed too slow there.
2006-09-28 18:31:53
1213.   bhsportsguy
1210 Nate, do you think Josh Bell could have a Brandon Wood type year in the California League?
2006-09-28 18:32:20
1214.   natepurcell
1207

I just realized that. i was hoping no one else would have noticed :(

so is it too early to start planning DT night at 66er Stadium?

2006-09-28 18:33:06
1215.   Robert Daeley
On a personal note, this re-affiliation means a great deal to me. Not so much for the move a few miles away itself, though that's just wicked awesome -- but this has been a really, really trying year for my family and me. A bit of good news is very, very welcome. Can't wait till opening day. :)
2006-09-28 18:33:46
1216.   natepurcell
1211

I dont think so because I dont think he is as good of a prospect as wood is. Maybe more a Reid Brignac type year depending on how he develops in the midwest league next year with the plate discipline.

2006-09-28 18:34:25
1217.   Bob Timmermann
Hershiser has just said, "I can guarantee you that the St. Louis fans are still behind them."

Apparently, they show their support for the Cardinals by booing lustily.

2006-09-28 18:34:59
1218.   trainwreck
I am going to guess SalFasanoNAMBLA is you haha.
2006-09-28 18:35:22
1219.   Bob Timmermann
Giles is back in the lineup for San Diego tonight.

Melvin is giving Counsell a start at short instead of Drew.

2006-09-28 18:36:58
1220.   xaphor
1203. What happened in '66?
2006-09-28 18:37:06
1221.   Suffering Bruin
1220?

Wow. I've been away too long.

2006-09-28 18:37:16
1222.   trainwreck
Proposed a trade for you Nate.
2006-09-28 18:37:58
1223.   underdog
Is that you trying to trade me Fred Taylor, train?

Nate already has one of my receivers. ;-)

2006-09-28 18:38:58
1224.   underdog
Okay, I'm off to try to go play soccer. Y'all will probably be up to 2000 by the time I get home. Hope the Padres are losing by then.
2006-09-28 18:39:10
1225.   Bob Timmermann
1220
The team is named for Route 66.
2006-09-28 18:40:27
1226.   trainwreck
No, Fred Taylor deal from me.
2006-09-28 18:41:29
1227.   natepurcell
would this trade go through by sunday?
2006-09-28 18:42:18
1228.   Robert Daeley
1225 And just won the California League championship:

http://www.celsius1414.com/node/1143

Though of course with their Mariners affiliation.

2006-09-28 18:42:24
1229.   natepurcell
Fred Taylor is like the community bicycle; i already had my turn with him and dumped him off at a neighbors.
2006-09-28 18:43:37
1230.   Bob Timmermann
When I went to a game at San Berdoo, they were a Dodgers affiliate and called San Bernardino instead of "Inland Empire".

Chin-Feng Chen was the big hitting star!

2006-09-28 18:44:34
1231.   trainwreck
I accidentally forgot another part of the deal. So I had to re- propose the deal. It probably would not be done in time for sunday.
2006-09-28 18:45:01
1232.   xaphor
1225. I was holding out hope they were paying homage to England's World Cup victory.
2006-09-28 18:46:41
1233.   Bob Timmermann
1232
IT NEVER CROSSED THE LINE!
2006-09-28 18:48:23
1234.   Robert Daeley
1230 Back when they were the San Bernardino Stampede. Adrian Beltre played with them, IIRC.
2006-09-28 18:52:46
1235.   Clive Clements
1230 I've only been to the stadium once (2 years ago) and I no longer have the camera phone pics to verify it, but I think they retired his number there.
2006-09-28 18:53:32
1236.   xaphor
1228. I think the team is a good fit for us. 55% of their fans voting against Bonds in the HOF on the team's front page. :)

Heck even Spongebob is a fan: http://tinyurl.com/mkqbw

1233. Goal #4 crossed the line just fine. :)

2006-09-28 18:54:38
1237.   overkill94
Someone like Daniel Cabrera didn't deserve a no-hitter anyway.
2006-09-28 18:54:56
1238.   Uncle Miltie
I feel bad for Cabrera. Stupid slappy Cano.
2006-09-28 18:56:09
1239.   Uncle Miltie
1237- what are you talking about? The O's defense stunk tonight.
2006-09-28 18:56:45
1240.   Robert Daeley
1235 Felix Hernandez was the big news back in 2004.
2006-09-28 18:57:07
1241.   trainwreck
I wish Cabrera pitched like this when I needed it in the playoffs.
2006-09-28 18:59:58
1242.   overkill94
1239 Not necessarily how he pitched tonight, just his pitching in general. The guy walks 6.6 guys per 9 IP for chrissakes.
2006-09-28 19:04:53
1243.   Uncle Miltie
1242- yea, I misread your post

Why are they showing high school football on espn; is there a football version of lebron playing in the game? I think it's wrong.

2006-09-28 19:06:40
1244.   Bob Timmermann
Padres lead 1-0 on a bases loaded BB by Blum.
2006-09-28 19:06:54
1245.   natepurcell
1243

The oak christian QB is probably the most heralded QB recruit since john elway.

2006-09-28 19:07:32
1246.   trainwreck
Oaks Christian has tons of talent. Clausen their QB number 1 prospect in nation going to ND.
2006-09-28 19:08:37
1247.   overkill94
Miguel Batista is worthless
2006-09-28 19:08:55
1248.   Bob Timmermann
1245
The Oaks Christian QB will also tell you, in no uncertain terms, that he is the most heralded QB recruit since John Elway. And then he will rattle off the rest of his accomplishments and he will talk about winning 4 national championships at Notre Dame.

I'm not a fan of young Mr. Clausen.

2006-09-28 19:09:38
1249.   Bob Timmermann
1247
You're down on a lot of pitchers tonight aren't you?
2006-09-28 19:10:33
1250.   trainwreck
Clausen made a big deal how UCLA did not even bother to recruit him. You would think Dorrell would at least try.
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2006-09-28 19:10:47
1251.   natepurcell
so he is pretty cocky eh Bob?
2006-09-28 19:12:03
1252.   Robert Daeley
Another interesting coincidence -- one of the guys who does the radio play-by-play for the Sixers has been compared to a young Vin Scully.

http://ie66ers.com/news/?id=5553

2006-09-28 19:12:29
1253.   overkill94
1249 Only the ones that suck
2006-09-28 19:13:41
1254.   bigcpa
Josh Bard and Scott Spiezio... your opposing division winners' cleanup hitters in the NLDS.
2006-09-28 19:14:18
1255.   Bob Timmermann
1251
Jimmy Clausen is a legend in his own mind. I wish only Ron Pawlus-dom on him from now on.
2006-09-28 19:14:55
1256.   GMac In The 909
Batista is on the take ... but I would rather the Dodgers face the Mets than the Astros in the first round anyway.
2006-09-28 19:15:46
1257.   WellsforKemp
any news on the phillie game?.....its allready 10pm. and I cant decide if its a good thing or not if they get it in, there might be a more favorable match up on monday.
2006-09-28 19:17:45
1258.   Uncle Miltie
1248- sounds like a perfect fit for Notre Dame. Is Charlie Weis up there with Frank Robinson on your "favorite people" list?

Just saw your most recent post on the griddle. So how are you going to celebrate tonight?

2006-09-28 19:19:06
1259.   trainwreck
If only Clausen played baseball too and was drafted by the Cardinals. Then he could be Bob's most hated person.
2006-09-28 19:19:46
1260.   Bob Timmermann
1258
I'm the bigger man. I won't gloat.

Jimmy Clausen is already on notice. He's the youngest person ever to be put on the list.

Most things with Notre Dame transcend "Dead to Me."

2006-09-28 19:19:50
1261.   WellsforKemp
it appears the Dbacks are done........unless they pull a Dodger and come back from 4 down early against Peavy, 4 home runs in a row would do the job to get them back in it though.
2006-09-28 19:21:42
1262.   natepurcell
trainwreck... lets get some dialogue going!
2006-09-28 19:23:22
1263.   xaphor
1261. We need to send Duncan down to Phoenix to offer up some encouraging words for Peavy.
2006-09-28 19:23:28
1264.   trainwreck
Actually could you send me emails on this email
lldurbanpoisonll@yahoo.com. Since that is my email for the league.
2006-09-28 19:23:39
1265.   Gen3Blue
I thought Gameday was Kaput,but it is back.
Whats the lineup next year?
2006-09-28 19:24:29
1266.   Gagne55
1261 Well that sucks. As does ESPN showing OC dominate a lesser team instead of Baseball Tonight.
2006-09-28 19:24:36
1267.   MollyKnight
I'm kind of rooting against the Astros, simply because I fear them in the playoffs more than any other team.
2006-09-28 19:25:22
1268.   Gagne55
1264 Be careful. Spammers could be reading this thread. ;)
2006-09-28 19:26:27
1269.   WellsforKemp
We need to send Duncan down to Phoenix to offer up some encouraging words for Peavy.

We need to send Kent, Drew, Martin, and Anderson to tie it up.

2006-09-28 19:27:11
1270.   overkill94
So on Saturday a few friends and I wanted to go to a local bar to watch the UCLA vs. Washington. We decided to go to Cabo Cantina in Brentwood because they have 2-for-1 happy hour and is across the street from me.

Upon entering, almost all the tables have handmade "Reserved for Notre Dame" signs on them. The waitress says not to pay attention, but it was said to us later on that when the Notre Dame came on (an hour after the UCLA game started), that every single TV (about 25 of them) would be changed to that game. Apparently the owner is a big USC backer, so for whatever reason he gives in to Notre Dame's demands. Needless to say we quickly went two doors down to Q's and their regional college friendliness.

2006-09-28 19:29:16
1271.   WellsforKemp
again......... anyone have news on the status in D.C.?
2006-09-28 19:29:25
1272.   trainwreck
1270
I bet he wished he kept letting you watch the UCLA game.
2006-09-28 19:30:58
1273.   overkill94
1272 You calling me an alcoholic ;)

I'm sure us young 'uns were purchasing much more alcohol than the geriatrics and families (yes, there were young children there with their parents watching the game) they ended up catering to.

2006-09-28 19:31:31
1274.   Bob Timmermann
1271
Well Congress is out of session now. The President still lives there. It's probably a nice place to visit in the fall.

Just don't go now. It's raining.

2006-09-28 19:31:42
1275.   trainwreck
Clausen already holds the ball like a Jeff Tedford taught QB. Hey maybe that means he will suck in the NFL.
2006-09-28 19:32:33
1276.   overkill94
If the wild card is the more beneficial playoff spot, we better be tied with the Padres to get there - I've got $150 riding on the Dodgers finishing ahead of the Padres.
2006-09-28 19:35:31
1277.   trainwreck
ESPN talking about all the great things filmed at Venice High School like Grease.

Well my high school was the preppy high school Jim Belushi first works at in the movie, the Principal.

2006-09-28 19:36:19
1278.   Bob Timmermann
I find it hard to believe that ESPN is showing a football game from an LA City Section field like Venice. The only way Oaks Christian would lose this game is if a gang war breaks out in the stadium.

Venice hasn't been good since JP Losman played there.

Well, they've been pretty good, but they've never won it all.

2006-09-28 19:37:50
1279.   Bob Timmermann
At least Venice High has a very good nickname.
2006-09-28 19:37:56
1280.   WellsforKemp
I think I am going to blame not winning the division on the Rangers giving away Gonzales and Young along with the Redsox throwing in a guy named Cla to Padres
2006-09-28 19:39:00
1281.   trainwreck
El Duque has been announced as the game 1 starter in the playoffs. I am shaking in my boots(if I had boots on).
2006-09-28 19:50:55
1282.   Benaiah
When would the Philly game be replayed? Monday? I am sure this has already been answered but there are a lot of comments to go through.
2006-09-28 19:52:44
1283.   Bob Timmermann
1282
If the Phillies and Nats can't play tonight, they would have to make up the game Monday.
2006-09-28 19:57:31
1284.   bojangles
Comcast in Philly (which will carry the game)
just announced an approximate 11:30 EDT start.
2006-09-28 19:58:47
1285.   Benaiah
Is this the latest ever for a team to get into first place for the first time in a season?
2006-09-28 20:04:02
1286.   Bluebleeder87
1,285 comments, today everybody broke records even Inside the Dodgers, you gotta love sept. baseball!
2006-09-28 20:05:50
1287.   WellsforKemp
too bad the Phills dont have an early game on Friday.
2006-09-28 20:10:30
1288.   Wayne Wei-siang Hsieh
Re: 1284

I can't believe there will be anyone in the stands for a game at that hour.

WWSH

2006-09-28 20:13:51
1289.   trainwreck
1288
It's a Nats game they are used to it.
2006-09-28 20:15:25
1290.   JoeyP
Dont most cities have curfews on sporting events....? I'm surprised they would start a game at 11:30 pm.
2006-09-28 20:20:17
1291.   Greg Brock
Holy smokes. I know I missed a game (It's TIVO'd!), but the comments...

Um, yeah, 1290? Wha happen?

2006-09-28 20:22:12
1292.   natepurcell
1291

nothing out of the ordinary.

2006-09-28 20:23:23
1293.   natepurcell
Andrew, lets get this trade done before i go to the gym!
2006-09-28 20:23:56
1294.   Greg Brock
1292 You know what George III, King of England put in his diary on July 4, 1776...

Nothing important happened today.

2006-09-28 20:24:49
1295.   trainwreck
Sorry, I had to go to subway.
2006-09-28 20:25:21
1296.   natepurcell
okay ill give you a sneak peak.

it was J-Lo's coming out party.

2006-09-28 20:25:48
1297.   Bluebleeder87
I'm going gameday tonight for the Phills game.
2006-09-28 20:28:52
1298.   bhsportsguy
Just in case you were wondering, the Astros actually played well during April so they exchanged first place with the Reds and the Cards during that time, but I don't think they have been there since the end of April.
2006-09-28 20:30:50
1299.   bhsportsguy
For those of you who want to set your recorders, the TV listings show the Dodger game being replayed tonight at 11:00 p.m. on Prime Ticket and they block out 3 hours for the game, my hunch is that they cut the 7th and 8th for timing but we shall see.
2006-09-28 20:33:32
1300.   Bluebleeder87
anybody have an update on the Pads vs dbacks game? gameday for that game dosn't wanna work in my computer.
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2006-09-28 20:33:47
1301.   Bob Timmermann
Cities haven't had curfews for sporting events for a long time. The AL used to have a curfew where no inning could start after 1 am. There is a rule that if a game is delayed by rain after 1 am while it is being, it is suspended.

However, that would be waived tonight also.

2006-09-28 20:34:19
1302.   StolenMonkey86
Rollins flew out for out #1
2006-09-28 20:34:48
1303.   Bluebleeder87
wow i just got comment # 1,300 1,300 folks!!
2006-09-28 20:35:12
1304.   Bob Timmermann
Pads lead Arizona 8-2 in the 6th.
2006-09-28 20:35:42
1305.   natepurcell
trade accepted andrew. I need to still tweak my roster!
2006-09-28 20:36:06
1306.   Bluebleeder87
8-2 San Diego
2006-09-28 20:38:10
1307.   Bob Timmermann
Cardinals lose 9-4.
2006-09-28 20:39:08
1308.   trainwreck
Nice dealing with you Nate.
2006-09-28 20:40:51
1309.   Bluebleeder87
this is when i wish i had an MLB.TV package of some kind.
2006-09-28 20:42:36
1310.   Bluebleeder87
1308

what kind of league are you guys in? my old supervisor was a fantasy baseball freak also.

2006-09-28 20:42:58
1311.   trainwreck
1309
I don't know. Right now your options are listening to either Tom Brennaman or Rex Hudler.
2006-09-28 20:43:33
1312.   trainwreck
1310
This is actually the DT fantasy football league.
2006-09-28 20:44:25
1313.   Bob Timmermann
The rain delay is officially listed at 4 hours and 26 minutes.
2006-09-28 20:44:53
1314.   StolenMonkey86
Jeff Conine is offering protection . . .

to the Nats.

DC is not starting Soriano tonight.

2006-09-28 20:47:23
1315.   popup
1252 If there is a basketball broadcaster who is as good as Vin, I hope he takes the next flight to LA and takes over the radio booth at Dodger Stadium.

I am listening to Phillies/Natoinals on XM. Phillies out without scoring in the first.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-28 20:50:09
1316.   Bluebleeder87
1312

oh, o.k.

2006-09-28 20:51:09
1317.   Nagman
If anybody is wondering about attendance at the Nats game, give me an inning or two and I'll have a head count. I just need a couple more of the camera angles...
2006-09-28 20:51:12
1318.   Bluebleeder87
1314

Jeff Conine's mug gave me the gigles.

2006-09-28 20:51:44
1319.   popup
I wonder if Sam is at RFK.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-28 20:52:14
1320.   Bluebleeder87
1317

over under starts at 1,000

2006-09-28 20:52:35
1321.   trainwreck
I can't believe they are even trying to play this game.
2006-09-28 20:53:20
1322.   trainwreck
I know why they are, but its almost 12 there.
2006-09-28 20:54:11
1323.   trainwreck
Nook Logan is having the series of his life.
2006-09-28 20:54:38
1324.   overkill94
Well, Peavy should be done for the night, let's see what the gas cans in the Pads bullpen have in store for the last 3 innings. I doubt Linebrink or Meredith will be allowed to pitch no matter what, but Hoffman should be available.
2006-09-28 20:54:53
1325.   StolenMonkey86
Bradley was ejected in Oakland in the 5th.

Anyone know the details?

2006-09-28 20:55:19
1326.   Nagman
Logan robs Burrell of a homerun.
2006-09-28 20:58:42
1327.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
So much for my hopes on an early bedtime.
2006-09-28 20:58:45
1328.   Bluebleeder87
1325

he threw a child like tantrum??

2006-09-28 21:00:32
1329.   StolenMonkey86
1328 - I wanted to know if it was a fireworks display
2006-09-28 21:00:59
1330.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Midnight at the oasis...
2006-09-28 21:01:42
1331.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Midnight mass at Church!
2006-09-28 21:01:51
1332.   Bob Timmermann
We all worship at the church of Ryan.
2006-09-28 21:02:46
1333.   Bluebleeder87
1327

I took a little nap earlier today my self so "i'm full of beans at the moment"

2006-09-28 21:02:53
1334.   capdodger
I'm amazed that the field in RFK is even playable. It took me an hour and a half to drive from Suitland to the 14th Street Bridge (~4 miles) because of the rain and wind. They must have a heck of a drainage system on that thing.
2006-09-28 21:03:31
1335.   Icaros
Has there ever been a game played during sunrise?
2006-09-28 21:08:08
1336.   Nagman
Assuming they have similar laws and stadium rules regarding alcohol sales, it will be a close call as to which will take affect.
2006-09-28 21:08:08
1337.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
What about the 1 a.m. curfew? I thought the NL established that after the Philles were involved in a nightmare doubleheader that ended closer to dawn than midnight.
2006-09-28 21:08:54
1338.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
The Nats TV announcers sound loopy, understandably.
2006-09-28 21:09:16
1339.   StolenMonkey86
1337 - I thought it was 1:55 AM
2006-09-28 21:09:18
1340.   Bob Timmermann
The July 4, 1985 Mets-Braves game finished at 3:55 am. That's the latest documented finish in the majors.

The game went 19 innings and there were several rain delays.

2006-09-28 21:10:01
1341.   trainwreck
Nats commentators have reason to be loopy every night.
2006-09-28 21:10:09
1342.   StolenMonkey86
I go to school in Fairfax and the on-campus tv service does not include Mid Atlantic Sports Net.

Grr

2006-09-28 21:12:13
1343.   Bluebleeder87
1335

I'm thinking Alaska, but i'm feeling California.

2006-09-28 21:12:47
1344.   Bob Timmermann
The only curfew now involves games that are delayed by rain very late at night.

But again, I'm sure that rule is waived tonight. A suspended game is not what they want.

2006-09-28 21:13:25
1345.   das411
1340 - http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B07022PHI1993.htm
2006-09-28 21:13:39
1346.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
1340 - Yes, the Rick Camp game.
But, I swear there was a DH in Philly that started late due to rain, and ended later. Then, despite the ungodly hour, everyone shrugged and played another game.
Afterward, the NL president was quoted as saying that had he known what was going on, he would've called a halt immediately.
2006-09-28 21:15:25
1347.   Bluebleeder87
1-zip Nats.
2006-09-28 21:16:09
1348.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
1345 - Mitch Williams singled [Incaviglia scored, Eisenreich to second]; 1 R, 2 H, 0
E, 2 LOB. Padres 5, Phillies 6.
2006-09-28 21:18:00
1349.   Bluebleeder87
the Phills playing a 14 inning game yesterday & playing a midnight game today is only good news if you're a Dodger fan.
2006-09-28 21:19:22
1350.   capdodger
1349 - The Nats played in that game too...
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2006-09-28 21:19:59
1351.   Daniel Zappala
This ties into DT in so many ways. I just noticed an online radio station called "Grey's Anatomy Radio". Location: Midland, Michigan.

http://www.live365.com/stations/apmkk2

2006-09-28 21:20:09
1352.   we are infinite
It looks like it'd be fun to be out there at RFK right now. It's eerie how clearly you can hear the individual people yelling things.
2006-09-28 21:20:23
1353.   dianagramr
Hi folks ....

so what time did they start the Nats game????

and where do the teams have to be tomorrow?

2006-09-28 21:21:29
1354.   Bob Timmermann
1353
The Nats are home tomorrow to play the Mets.

The Phillies are going to Florida.

2006-09-28 21:21:38
1355.   StolenMonkey86
the nats stay to host the Mets

The Phils go to the Marlins

2006-09-28 21:21:46
1356.   Bluebleeder87
1349

the baseball gods are great.

2006-09-28 21:22:12
1357.   StolenMonkey86
Bob is 9 seconds faster than I am
2006-09-28 21:22:39
1358.   das411
1348 - GSfRB, do you have that '93 commemorative DVD they gave away at that 10th anniversary game? The 4:40am game gets a lot of play there...they talk about how all the bars around the Vet had closed by then so they reopened the stadium and they may well have had close to 50k there by the time it ended...

Is Sam still awake?

2006-09-28 21:22:41
1359.   we are infinite
On second thought, it seems like everybody at the stadium is a Phillies fan. Not a big surprise, tho.
2006-09-28 21:22:46
1360.   Bob Timmermann
The July 2, 1993 doubleheader between the Phillies and Padres ended at 4:40 am.

I remember the Dodgers playing a very late doubleheader in St. Louis and Steve Lake homering very late and Vin Scully kept making reference to "a quarter to three."

2006-09-28 21:23:49
1361.   capdodger
There are probably about a thousand people, tops, at RFK. The upper decks look completely empty.
2006-09-28 21:24:12
1362.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Ok, I found some info on that Padres-Phillies doubleheader. Three rain delays held up the games a total of five hours, 54 minutes.
2006-09-28 21:24:27
1363.   StolenMonkey86
nice pitch on the inside corner for called strike 3 to Howard.
2006-09-28 21:25:40
1364.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
1358 - No, I've only been in Philadelphia once, for an afternoon.
1360 - Was that in 1987?
2006-09-28 21:28:15
1365.   Bob Timmermann
Sam McManis in the July 9, 1987 LA Times:

Steve Sax was standing in front of his locker, methodically peeling off layers of uniform and occasionally wiping a hand across the 3 o'clock shadow covering his jaw.

Elsewhere in the Dodger clubhouse, players moved slowly about the room, and it was so quiet you could hear Manager Tom Lasorda eating in his office.

It was difficult to determine whether it was weariness from playing until 3:02 a.m., CDT, here Wednesday morning or depression caused by squandering leads in both games of a doubleheader against the St. Louis Cardinals that had the Dodgers in such a somber mood.

Most likely, it was both.

"I'm just dead," Sax said. "I just want to sleep all day. But I can't. We've got another doubleheader in a few hours."

Indeed, a long and counterproductive Tuesday night for the Dodgers ran on into the early hours Wednesday morning. Then, they were back at Busch Stadium Wednesday afternoon for two more games.

The scheduled 5:35 p.m., CDT, start for the first game of Tuesday's doubleheader was delayed by rain until 7:57. The first game ended at 10:48, the Dodgers commiting three consecutive errors in the seventh inning that resulted in two runs and a 5-4 Cardinal win.

Game 2 began at 11:14 p.m. and ended at 3:02 a.m. with another 5-4 Cardinal win, this time in 10 innings. The Dodgers had a 4-2 lead in the bottom of the ninth with Matt Young, their best short reliever, on the mound. But Young gave up a two-run home run to light-hitting Steve Lake to send the game into extra innings.

In the 10th, Ken Howell, the only reliever Lasorda had not used in the doubleheader, gave up a single to center field by Jack Clark, scoring Tom Lawless from second base.

2006-09-28 21:28:54
1366.   Bluebleeder87
1349 - The Nats played in that game too...

:o)

2006-09-28 21:32:03
1367.   bhsportsguy
They have played 4 innings in an hour.
2006-09-28 21:33:17
1368.   Bob Timmermann
Jon Lieber is always one of the fastest workers.
2006-09-28 21:34:09
1369.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
1365 - Earlier in the '87 season, the Dodgers lost another extra-innings heartbreaker in St. Louis. Steve Lake was the hero.
http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B05010SLN1987.htm
2006-09-28 21:35:06
1370.   StolenMonkey86
1368 - wow, looks like it. I wonder how long a Lieber-Maddux game goes?
2006-09-28 21:36:05
1371.   trainwreck
Pat Burrel has just missed two homeruns. Story of his life.
2006-09-28 21:36:39
1372.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Burrell is hating life now.
2006-09-28 21:38:01
1373.   babber
I'm loving this late night baseball. It looks like payers, umps and announcers are trying to wrap this up in about 30 minutes...Go 'Nats!!!
2006-09-28 21:38:31
1374.   Bob Timmermann
Lieber and Maddux faced each other in a 2002 start. The game lasted 2:18.
2006-09-28 21:38:43
1375.   das411
The Phillies played a 20 inning game less than a week after 4:40AM. Guess who it was against?
2006-09-28 21:39:46
1376.   Bob Timmermann
Chan Ho Park returning to action for San Diego tonight.
2006-09-28 21:40:30
1377.   StolenMonkey86
I found one that went 4 hours because it went 14 innings, final score 2-1
2006-09-28 21:41:41
1378.   popup
I remember when I was a kid listening to a game in 1963 that ended about 2:30 AM East coast time from LA. 16 innings, Koufax against Curt Simmons of the Cardinals. The Dodgers won 1-0 in the 16th inning. Larry Sherry got the win. One of the best games I ever heard. I actually taped the broadcast from the 10th inning on. I wish I had kept that tape along with all the others I taped when I was a kid.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-28 21:42:09
1379.   dianagramr
oh god .... the philly fans are doing soccer chants now ...
2006-09-28 21:42:12
1380.   Bob Timmermann
That 20-inning game in 1993 was Kevin Stocker's major league debut.

Rick Trilcek blew the game for the Dodgers. Mostly he just blew.

2006-09-28 21:42:38
1381.   babber
The "next George Brett" eh?
2006-09-28 21:44:11
1382.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
1379 - "With hope... in your heart... And you'll never walk a-looone! You'll neeever walk a-looone!"
2006-09-28 21:44:14
1383.   trainwreck
They are chanting for the Eagles. I hate Philly fans so much.
2006-09-28 21:44:20
1384.   Bob Timmermann
I've watched five innings before noticing that Mike O'Connor is lefthanded.
2006-09-28 21:44:26
1385.   dianagramr
1380

and Kevin Stocker was traded straight up for ....

Bobby Abreu!

2006-09-28 21:44:55
1386.   Jon Weisman
Speaking of late starts, it is 9:45 p.m. and I am about to commence my SI.com column due tomorrow morning.

Do you guys need a new thread here, or are you fine with letting this one roll?

2006-09-28 21:45:09
1387.   bhsportsguy
How do you walk Nunez with 2 out?
2006-09-28 21:45:56
1388.   Bluebleeder87
1372 27 dingers, 91 RBI I doubt it.
2006-09-28 21:45:59
1389.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
1368 - I'm good with this.
2006-09-28 21:46:06
1390.   bhsportsguy
1386 Let it roll. Any preview on the column and will the names Nomar or James Loney be in it.
2006-09-28 21:47:03
1391.   trainwreck
I like how this thread just keeps going.
2006-09-28 21:47:11
1392.   StolenMonkey86
Fielding error by Zimm! Oh no, Zimm!
2006-09-28 21:48:36
1393.   Bob Timmermann
We can just let this one roll on until the final out is recorded is DC.
2006-09-28 21:49:40
1394.   popup
Jon, are you going to pull an all-nighter to get the SI article done? I remember those from college days.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-28 21:49:51
1395.   Jon Weisman
The Times just posted a Plaschke column on Loney.
2006-09-28 21:49:56
1396.   das411
1383 - :-D

Jon, that makes me feel waaaaaay better about the exam I have at 12:20 that I have not even begun to study for. Ironically enough, it's in a sports economics class! Can I consider this research?

2006-09-28 21:50:14
1397.   Bluebleeder87
oh god .... the philly fans are doing soccer chants now ...

hey! just as announcers, fans can also go loopy.

2006-09-28 21:52:19
1398.   bhsportsguy
Jimmy gives as well as receives
2006-09-28 21:52:20
1399.   bhsportsguy
Jimmy gives as well as receives
2006-09-28 21:52:26
1400.   Bluebleeder87
1368

I'm good with this.

same here.

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2006-09-28 21:53:20
1401.   Bob Timmermann
Go argue Frank! You've got nothing left to lose! What are they going to do? Suspend you?
2006-09-28 21:53:34
1402.   Bluebleeder87
i got 1,300 & also 1,400 i'm on a roll!!
2006-09-28 21:53:45
1403.   Jon Weisman
1394 - In college, if it wasn't done by 11 p.m., it wasn't going to get done. All-nighters were not my thing.

But I won't be done by 11 tonight. And my son will be awake eight hours from now.

2006-09-28 21:55:31
1404.   trainwreck
I like the Nats commentators. They seem very fair.
2006-09-28 21:56:26
1405.   trainwreck
1403
Same here. I rather sleep then bother studying.
2006-09-28 21:56:30
1406.   xaphor
1395. Sorry Jon, according to Bill your "crazy" doesn't cut it.
2006-09-28 21:57:24
1407.   Bluebleeder87
1-1 you guys think we'll see another 14 inning heart break?
2006-09-28 21:59:21
1408.   StolenMonkey86
1403 - i'm in college now, and most things get done between midnight at 3 am for me.

I recommend Mountain Dew Code Red. Same amount of caffeine, more sugar.

2006-09-28 21:59:41
1409.   Jon Weisman
1406 - I saw that :) But I wish I had thought of Loney Tunes, so he's right.
2006-09-28 22:00:24
1410.   popup
1403 At least you had word processors when you were in college. Man, how I wish I had one of those when I was in school.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-28 22:01:03
1411.   babber
1404
Old Dodger Tom Pacierok on the mic with Bob Carpenter
2006-09-28 22:01:03
1412.   Bob Timmermann
Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker, I suggest the absence of a quorum in DC!
2006-09-28 22:01:31
1413.   dzzrtRatt
Aces Wild: It's 1-1 at 1 (Eastern)
2006-09-28 22:02:26
1414.   dzzrtRatt
Is this game on TV anywhere, or are you guys just listening to an MLB feed?
2006-09-28 22:02:43
1415.   Bluebleeder87
Same here. I rather sleep then bother studying.

spacing out is my middle name

2006-09-28 22:03:33
1416.   JoeyP
Jeff Conine is brutal.
He might end up being hated in Philly moreso than TO if the Phils miss the playoffs.
2006-09-28 22:03:34
1417.   bhsportsguy
1 to 1 going to the bottom of the 6th.
2006-09-28 22:04:07
1418.   Bob Timmermann
I have the Extra Innings package and I've got the MASN (Washington) broadcast.
2006-09-28 22:04:33
1419.   bhsportsguy
1416 Seriously, did you think that we would be here two months ago.
2006-09-28 22:04:40
1420.   xaphor
1409. As long as we keep winning, it's nothing but Merrie Melodies to me.
2006-09-28 22:04:43
1421.   StolenMonkey86
Wow, Traber sends them down 1-2-3, and he's left-handed.

Think the Nats can get Adam Dunn for him?

2006-09-28 22:05:11
1422.   dianagramr
James Loney
Lawrence Maroney
Andrew Toney
2006-09-28 22:05:38
1423.   Bluebleeder87
1414

gameday for me

2006-09-28 22:05:57
1424.   popup
Maybe we could pitch in and help Jon write his column. I thought the Hardball Times column about the 4 homerun Dodger game was excellent, though the guy who put it together didn't have to do too much writing.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-28 22:07:39
1425.   JoeyP
To anyone that follows the Phillies, why does Jeff Conine play in front of David Dellucci?
2006-09-28 22:08:22
1426.   dianagramr
1425

alphabetical order? :-)

2006-09-28 22:08:41
1427.   Bob Timmermann
All over in Arizona, Padres win 12-4.
2006-09-28 22:09:37
1428.   dianagramr
1427 yay (I know ... blasphemy on this board)
2006-09-28 22:09:57
1429.   bhsportsguy
1425 For Jon, when I see Jeff Conine, I think of Jeff Conaway (Booby from Taxi)
2006-09-28 22:10:35
1430.   StolenMonkey86
no outs, runners on corners for Zimm
2006-09-28 22:10:44
1431.   bhsportsguy
1429 By the way, I think of that when I see the name in print.
2006-09-28 22:11:54
1432.   Bob Timmermann
Conine and Dellucci in a sort of, kind of platoon.
2006-09-28 22:13:25
1433.   StolenMonkey86
in play, no out recorded on 2nd & 3rd no out?

Why does this look familiar?

2006-09-28 22:13:31
1434.   Bob Timmermann
If you're following on Gameday, Logan didn't break from 3rd on Zimmerman's grounder and Lieber didn't get over to 1st in time to get the out.
2006-09-28 22:14:11
1435.   popup
Bases loaded for Washington.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-28 22:14:49
1436.   babber
Good ol' Davey Lopes coaching at first for the 'Nats
2006-09-28 22:14:57
1437.   Gagne55
1408 Naw. I'm in college and I'm done by 11 every night. I'm a morning person, though.
2006-09-28 22:14:57
1438.   Bob Timmermann
Vidro hit it hard and it almost became a DP, but Lopez got back to 2nd in time. Lieber is coming out.
2006-09-28 22:16:21
1439.   TellMeTheScoreRickMonday
This is my first post on Dodger Toaster. Friends have told me there are other Stanford alums on this site, so hopefully I'm welcome.

Not to be pessimistic, but will the Nats' Schneider hit into a DP a la last night?

2006-09-28 22:18:53
1440.   confucius
I wish Nick Johnson wasn't hurt. I never really thought about that play for more than a second, but all of a sudden it is really annoying.
2006-09-28 22:19:07
1441.   Bob Timmermann
I don't think Schneider will hit into a DP.
2006-09-28 22:19:20
1442.   StolenMonkey86
in play, run-scoring play

:)

2006-09-28 22:19:33
1443.   confucius
God bless you Schnieder.
2006-09-28 22:19:45
1444.   popup
3-1 Nationals.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-28 22:19:48
1445.   Bob Timmermann
Nick Johnson probably wishes he wasn't hurt too.
2006-09-28 22:20:05
1446.   JoeyP
Charlie Manuel's loogy doesnt work.
2006-09-28 22:20:06
1447.   TellMeTheScoreRickMonday
All right, I rescind my pessimism. Go Nats.
2006-09-28 22:20:18
1448.   joekings
There's a guy among the Nationals crowd decked out in Dodger gear.
2006-09-28 22:20:35
1449.   confucius
1441 Ye of little faith.
2006-09-28 22:21:16
1450.   Bob Timmermann
Most of the Phillies LOOGYs don't work very well.
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2006-09-28 22:21:28
1451.   Jon Weisman
1447 - Go Cardinal!
2006-09-28 22:22:05
1452.   confucius
1445 Oh that probably didn't hurt at all. :)
2006-09-28 22:22:05
1453.   Bob Timmermann
1448
It's Sam!
2006-09-28 22:22:54
1454.   nofatmike
I wish Johnson wasn't hurt as well. He has tremendous talent but has the same luck as Jayson Werth when it comes to injures.
2006-09-28 22:23:01
1455.   JoeyP
If the Nats can hang on, the Dodgers have a simple mission in SF: Dont get swept.
2006-09-28 22:23:48
1456.   das411
1450 - Bob doubts the power of the Model Dictator? After last night's great escape??
2006-09-28 22:23:54
1457.   joekings
1453- Wow, I hope he's taping this he's getting a lot of camera time.
2006-09-28 22:24:24
1458.   confucius
1455 Ultimately, yes. I still want the division though.
2006-09-28 22:24:38
1459.   babber
1448
I always let out a "Go Blue!" whenever I see a fellow Dodger fan at an opponent's park
2006-09-28 22:25:01
1460.   Bob Timmermann
1456
The Nats await Fabio Castro!

It would be nice if the Nats could retire Abraham Nunez sometime.

2006-09-28 22:25:52
1461.   Bob Timmermann
I have no idea what Sam looks like actually.
2006-09-28 22:26:12
1462.   Bluebleeder87
3-1 Nats = good times!!
2006-09-28 22:26:29
1463.   trainwreck
1458
I think I rather face the Mets then potentially facing the Astros.
2006-09-28 22:26:38
1464.   StolenMonkey86
1459 - I tipped my cap to the other Dodgers fans I saw when I went to the game in DC
2006-09-28 22:27:12
1465.   bhsportsguy
So Bob, are there any friendly wagers when UCLA takes on the Cardinal in basketball or football?
2006-09-28 22:27:12
1466.   bhsportsguy
So Bob, are there any friendly wagers when UCLA takes on the Cardinal in basketball or football?
2006-09-28 22:28:18
1467.   joekings
I'm glad that Frank Robinson is not going to let his firing get in the way of trying to get a win.
2006-09-28 22:28:23
1468.   JoeyP
Its past Frank's bedtime.
Stay in the dugout Frank I think Traber can handle this.
2006-09-28 22:28:39
1469.   trainwreck
UCLA will kill in basketball. Bruins do not fear the Lopez twins.

Football, who the heck knows.

2006-09-28 22:28:41
1470.   confucius
Did Pat Burrell just get a base hit or have I stayed up too long past my bedtime?
2006-09-28 22:28:52
1471.   gibsonhobbs88
It's 1:25 in the morning back east! Do you know where your favorite baseball fan is?

Go Nats. I am checking on the progress on MLB Game Center.

1458 - Yea, but if the Padres continue their torrid ways, that may be tough. The key is to get in the postseason, wild cards have had their share of success lately and the Mets suffered a huge blow today.

2006-09-28 22:29:02
1472.   StolenMonkey86
1463 - watch out though. El Duque's a beast in the postseason
2006-09-28 22:29:38
1473.   bhsportsguy
Not sure why I am double posting, sorry.
2006-09-28 22:29:43
1474.   Bob Timmermann
If Stanford beats UCLA Saturday, I have to pay the tuition for both of Jon's kids to go to Stanford.

If UCLA wins, Jon has to get me a Starbucks gift card.

2006-09-28 22:29:49
1475.   dianagramr
Hey Bob .... the D-Rays lost on the road tonight .... they still have a chance for the sub .250 road record :-)
2006-09-28 22:31:13
1476.   dianagramr
1474 as a starbucks shareholder, I'll root for UCLA
2006-09-28 22:31:27
1477.   confucius
1463 It's going to come down to that one way or another if the Dodgers are going to win it all. If they do win it all they'll also have to beat a better team in the World Series than the Astros.
2006-09-28 22:31:36
1478.   joekings
DP's rule!
2006-09-28 22:31:39
1479.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA is favored by 23 1/2 points Saturday.

And UCLA isn't all that good.

2006-09-28 22:31:59
1480.   bhsportsguy
1474 I'll chip in with my sale of my remaining season tickets, don't know how much 10 bucks will help though.
2006-09-28 22:32:02
1481.   popup
good DP.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-28 22:32:22
1482.   JoeyP
I'll never understand why you pinch run for Pat Burrell in the 7th inning of a 2 run game. #1, bc his spot will probably come up again. #2. The speed of the runner at 1st usually cant prevent a double play.

Really questionalbe decision by Manuel, and he does it everytime. I have Burrell on my fantasy team, it happens constantly.

2006-09-28 22:33:46
1483.   gibsonhobbs88
Yes, DP 2 outs top of 7 Nunez up! Keep'm down Nats!
2006-09-28 22:34:01
1484.   dianagramr
1482

with his bad legs, it would take a solid double or two hits to score him

2006-09-28 22:34:07
1485.   StolenMonkey86
nice.

ok everybody, start praying that Chad Cordero doesn't screw up

2006-09-28 22:35:16
1486.   bhsportsguy
They are showing the Seinfeld where Kramer is going to sue the coffee shop, just thought it was a coincidence with the Starbucks talk and all.
2006-09-28 22:35:35
1487.   StolenMonkey86
excellent profile pic of Dorta :)
2006-09-28 22:35:43
1488.   joekings
I'm praying for more insurance runs.
2006-09-28 22:36:03
1489.   Bob Timmermann
I wonder how much scouting the other teams have done on the Astros?
2006-09-28 22:36:27
1490.   JoeyP
Still, you're taking a big bat out of the lineup in the 7th inning.

That'd be like the Dodgers pinch running for Jeff Kent in the 7th, when they are trailing by more than 1 run. It doesnt make any sense to me.

2006-09-28 22:36:29
1491.   trainwreck
My guess is UCLA comes out throwing to make up for last week.
2006-09-28 22:36:30
1492.   Bluebleeder87
for the record Bill Plashcke hit a dinger with his column tonight, i've only said that twice in my life time.
2006-09-28 22:38:10
1493.   Bob Timmermann
1490
We've had a lengthy treatise from someone once about how Jeff Kent should have been pinch run for in a tie game recently.

One of those guy's comments are usually the same length as this thread.

2006-09-28 22:38:12
1494.   dianagramr
g'night all .... its 1:38 am here in nyc ...
2006-09-28 22:38:17
1495.   StolenMonkey86
1488 - good call
2006-09-28 22:38:29
1496.   popup
1485 Maybe we could fly Saito to DC to nail down the save.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-28 22:38:54
1497.   Bob Timmermann
1491
Stanford has a pretty bad run defense however.
2006-09-28 22:39:04
1498.   das411
It's all part of the massive Philadelphia-wide conspiracy to turn Pat Burrell into the next Schilling, Rolen, TO, Abreu...
2006-09-28 22:39:17
1499.   gibsonhobbs88
1479 - But Stanford usually plays the Bruins close despite the records and how strong or weak they are.

Bottom 7 - I still would like a couple extra insurance runs, the feisty Phills probably still have at least one rally left in them. They have Rollins up 2nd in the 8th then Victorino and Utley.

2006-09-28 22:40:20
1500.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Plashcke, IMO, is a good writer when he's got nice things to say. It's when he wants to get mean that he fails, because he doesn't do his homework and comes across as illogical and unreasonable.
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2006-09-28 22:40:24
1501.   StolenMonkey86
Rivera and Wagner . . . it's the All-Star game!

No, just kidding. Garner didn't use Billy Wagner.

2006-09-28 22:42:19
1502.   Bluebleeder87
g'night all .... its 1:38 am here in nyc ...

New York City! get a rope

2006-09-28 22:42:19
1503.   gibsonhobbs88
The sausage assaulter is at the plate for the Phillies!
2006-09-28 22:43:18
1504.   bhsportsguy
Neidermeyer or Maestro, which role would you like to be known for.
2006-09-28 22:43:46
1505.   Bob Timmermann
Stanford last beat UCLA at the Rose Bowl in 1996. UCLA has more problems with Stanford up on The Farm. In their last trip to the Rose Bowl, Stanford lost to UCLA 21-0 in 2004. That game was duller than the score would indicate.
2006-09-28 22:44:29
1506.   xaphor
1503. After a single old friend Thurston in to run for him.
2006-09-28 22:47:23
1507.   joekings
I love DPs!
2006-09-28 22:47:39
1508.   Bob Timmermann
Joey Ballgame helps out the Dodgers in a big way!
2006-09-28 22:47:51
1509.   JoeyP
Joe Thurston still bleeds Dodger blue. lol
2006-09-28 22:48:00
1510.   StolenMonkey86
all right. Everyone's even on second basemen snaring liners. :)
2006-09-28 22:48:57
1511.   trainwreck
And people thought Thurston would never be useful for the Dodgers.
2006-09-28 22:49:11
1512.   das411
It amuses me to no end that Randall Simon and Joe Thurston are integral parts of this team at this point. Can't wait til we see Rick White in the bottom of the inning!
2006-09-28 22:49:46
1513.   joekings
The national's announcers almost seem to be rooting for the Phillies, either that or they are lecturing the Phillies.
2006-09-28 22:49:47
1514.   Bluebleeder87
g'night all .... its 1:38 am here in nyc ...

New York City! get a rope

2006-09-28 22:50:23
1515.   nofatmike
1498 The Philidelphia media also made concerted effort to get Steve Carlton out of town. Unfortunately, back then, the Phillies were too success oriented, and it only backfired on the media who Carlton refused to talk to.
2006-09-28 22:52:35
1516.   JoeyP
Thurston probably deserves a lecture. The only job as a pinch runner is to not get doubled off 1st, when your run really means nothing. Thats probably worse than getting caught stealing, bc the play that Thurston got doubled off of is right in front of him.
2006-09-28 22:54:51
1517.   gibsonhobbs88
3 more outs and we are 2 up on the WC. I am staying up to see if they can finish in 9 innings. If the Nats blow the save, then I'm going to bed. 1:53 a.m. in the east. Get the Phills nice and tired for their last series in Florida. Any wild conventions at their hotel in Miami this weekend?
2006-09-28 22:55:01
1518.   confucius
1502 Lol, I forgot about that commercial.
2006-09-28 22:55:48
1519.   StolenMonkey86
scoring position for Church
2006-09-28 22:56:49
1520.   Bluebleeder87
well this soldier is ready to call it quits for the night, great day for a baseball fan i might add, i love sharing these kinds of moments with fellow baseball fans.
2006-09-28 22:57:03
1521.   Linkmeister
2 on, 2 out for Church, bottom 8th.
2006-09-28 22:57:05
1522.   StolenMonkey86
lefty.

Let him hit, or respond by PHing with Soriano?

2006-09-28 22:57:37
1523.   Linkmeister
Phillies bring in Smith (not pSmith).
2006-09-28 22:58:34
1524.   confucius
1520 I know the count was at nine before but how many beers did it end up being today?
2006-09-28 22:59:20
1525.   joekings
I never thought the phillies game would get in the way of me watching the dodger replay tonight.
2006-09-28 22:59:22
1526.   Greg S
For those of you who can't see the happenings in DC, it is pretty bizarre. Looks like about 1,000 people tops. and many of them are standing and milling about. Some are sleeping, some reading the newspaper. And the Phils pitcher just threw consecutive warmup pitches to the backstop.
All in the biggest game of the year for the Phils.
Weird times.
2006-09-28 22:59:42
1527.   gibsonhobbs88
Nats trying to get one more run!! Are the Phills changing pitchers, Game Center has stopped updating.
2006-09-28 23:00:32
1528.   das411
Ok Matt Smith, show the DTers why we traded Bobby Abreu for you...
2006-09-28 23:00:59
1529.   Linkmeister
And Smith strikes out Church.
2006-09-28 23:01:10
1530.   Bob Timmermann
Clear the decks! We're going to the 9th!
2006-09-28 23:01:10
1531.   StolenMonkey86
Cordero time
2006-09-28 23:01:30
1532.   xaphor
Burn down the church!
2006-09-28 23:01:37
1533.   joekings
1525 - Nevermind, Tomko is on instead. Perhaps the fine folks at FSN know and are just delaying it.
2006-09-28 23:01:44
1534.   Bob Timmermann
In Gigantor We Trust.
2006-09-28 23:02:21
1535.   popup
1522 Soriano is in a major slump. Hope Ned stays away from signing him for 07.

Stan from Tacoma

2006-09-28 23:02:37
1536.   gibsonhobbs88
That was quick! Okay it is up to former Titan, Chad Cordero and pitching to Utley and Howard.
2006-09-28 23:02:53
1537.   Linkmeister
1526 Islanders games at Aloha Stadium were often like that, particularly the last season before they moved to Colorado and became the SkySox. 1,500 people trying to make noise in a stadium which seats 50K.
2006-09-28 23:03:04
1538.   joekings
Please don't let Ryan come up representing the tying run.
2006-09-28 23:03:14
1539.   StolenMonkey86
ok, Rauch.

Robinson wants a tall guy out there.

2006-09-28 23:04:01
1540.   StolenMonkey86
that's confidence.

closer in, double switch

2006-09-28 23:04:07
1541.   Linkmeister
Utley flies out, 1 down.
2006-09-28 23:04:22
1542.   joekings
A couple of Philly fans have obviously given up on the Phillies as they are holding up an Eagles banner in the background.
2006-09-28 23:04:48
1543.   gibsonhobbs88
Jon Rauch, not Cordero? Curious? Is Robbie playing one of those managerial hunches we hear about?
2006-09-28 23:05:37
1544.   joekings
2 down!
2006-09-28 23:06:05
1545.   GMac In The 909
Conine was picked up for moments like this.
2006-09-28 23:06:11
1546.   Linkmeister
Howard lines out to right. 2 down.
2006-09-28 23:06:20
1547.   StolenMonkey86
War-ning-track Pow-er!
2006-09-28 23:06:48
1548.   das411
Alright, just gotta get one on and then wait for Pat Burrell to redeem himself....oh wait.

--rule 1 violation--

2006-09-28 23:07:19
1549.   joekings
YES!!!!!
2006-09-28 23:07:19
1550.   gibsonhobbs88
One out to go! Just throw strikes - no gimme walks!!
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2006-09-28 23:07:28
1551.   Linkmeister
Game over!
2006-09-28 23:07:40
1552.   Xeifrank
I don't mind playing the Mets in the first round 5 game series, especially with Pedro out. The Padres would probably have to be favorites against the Cardinals, if the Cards can hang on. Houston might be a different story with their tough top 3 rotation. With a 2 game lead in the WC race, I feel alot better about our chances. I don't want to jinx anything, so there will be no celebrating before it's time. vr, Xei
2006-09-28 23:07:40
1553.   StolenMonkey86
1-2-3

That's the game sports fans.

2 game wild card lead for LA. :)

2006-09-28 23:07:42
1554.   GMac In The 909
YES!
2006-09-28 23:07:42
1555.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
Yes!
2006-09-28 23:07:42
1556.   cdbavg400
Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but I just noticed that the Sept. 17th STL-SF game was postponed. Will the game be made up if Houston finishes a half game above or below the Cards? It has to be, right?
2006-09-28 23:08:06
1557.   dkminnick
Good night all!
2006-09-28 23:08:17
1558.   GMac In The 909
YES!
2006-09-28 23:08:24
1559.   TellMeTheScoreRickMonday
As they play in dodger stadium, whoomp there it is (nothing instills fear in your opponent like tag team).

Two games up, go blue!

2006-09-28 23:08:30
1560.   joekings
However operates the extra innings feed couldn't pull the plug fast enough.
2006-09-28 23:08:39
1561.   confucius
Ok now I never have to root for the Nationals again. PHEW!
2006-09-28 23:09:19
1562.   joekings
And right on cue the Dodger replay starts.
2006-09-28 23:09:49
1563.   gibsonhobbs88
Yes! Now I see it! Hunch pays off. Nats Win! Nats Win!!

2 games up on the Phills with 3 to go. Time to go to the phone booth tomorrow to face the battery chuckers!! Good night all! Does this set a DT thread record?

2006-09-28 23:10:22
1564.   bhsportsguy
Nice, the team may get a chance to clinch a spot tomorrow night.
2006-09-28 23:10:24
1565.   confucius
1556 Yes, on Monday.
2006-09-28 23:11:40
1566.   scooplew
1556 Yes, the game would have to be made up if it would have a bearing on the Central Division title or on the Wild Card. It would be in St. Louis on Monday. How do you think the Giants would feel about flying back for that one?
2006-09-28 23:12:25
1567.   fanerman
Over 1500 posts. Come on guys, we're halfway there!
2006-09-28 23:13:06
1568.   fanerman
2 games up with 3 left is nice, but I won't feel relieved until we officially clinch.
2006-09-28 23:14:35
1569.   JoeyP
The Dodger mission is to simply not get swept in SF.

Sounds easy, but 1996 sounded easy too.

2006-09-28 23:14:58
1570.   Greg S
1568 That could be less than 24 hours away. And with the Phillies heading for a very sleepless night of travel, we may have a real chance of doing it ourselves tomorrow night.
2006-09-28 23:15:43
1571.   StolenMonkey86
Mets Rotation for NLDS

El Duque
Glavine
Traschel

2006-09-28 23:17:04
1572.   bhsportsguy
Pitching matchups in Florida, we should know what is going on because they start each game prior to the Dodger/Giant games this weekend.
Philadelphia at Florida

Fri, Sep 29 7:05 pm EDT
B. Moehler vs. J. Moyer
Sat, Sep 30 1:20 pm EDT
S. Olsen vs. R. Wolf
Sun, Oct 1 1:05 pm EDT
D. Willis vs. B. Myers

2006-09-28 23:17:49
1573.   Xeifrank
Cardinals are resting their hopes on Jeff Weaver tomorrow. My prediction is that the Cards will be 1/2 game out after tomorrow but will force a makeup game vs the Giants on Monday and a one game playoff vs the Astros for the division title. 2 extra games! When is the last time a team had to do that?
vr, Xei
2006-09-28 23:18:45
1574.   JoeyP
Dodger rotation vs Mets:

Kuo
Lowe
Penny
Maddux
Kuo

2006-09-28 23:20:38
1575.   bigcpa
1574 Stop that! We're hosting StL.
2006-09-28 23:20:45
1576.   bhsportsguy
1573 The Astros starter for that possible playoff game would be Roy Oswalt.
2006-09-28 23:20:57
1577.   Greg S
1574 Why not

Kuo
Lowe
(off day)
Maddux
Kuo
Lowe

4 days rest for everybody.

2006-09-28 23:22:26
1578.   bhsportsguy
I thought there was a chance that the Phillies could lose to the Astros but I never thought they would drop 2 (and could have been swept) by the Nationals, nice job Sam.
2006-09-28 23:23:03
1579.   Xeifrank
1574.
I'd rather see.
1. Lowe
2. Maddux
3. Guo
4. Lowe
5. Maddux

if we clinch tomorrow we could rest saturday and sunday's starters. I don't want any part of Penny, given his injury and recent performance. I might throw Chad in there for the game 4 start if I wanted to go 4-man. vr, Xei

2006-09-28 23:23:25
1580.   Greg S
1577 I guess my math is off there actually. I'm going to bed and I'll worry about playoff rotations when we clinch which will hopefulle be tomorrow night.
2006-09-28 23:23:42
1581.   bhsportsguy
Oh no, Holliday just hit a 3-run homer.
2006-09-28 23:24:02
1582.   JoeyP
For the Dodgers to win the division, they either have to go 3-0 and Pads 1-2, or 2-1 and Pads (0-3).
2006-09-28 23:25:17
1583.   thinkblue0
I guess this makes our playoff magic number two...a win tomorrow and a phils loss and we're in.

I don't want to get ahead of myself here, but IF we get in, we've got just as good of a shot at the WS as anyone.

2006-09-28 23:26:58
1584.   JoeyP
1579. I think if you play the Mets, you have to want Kuo to pitch at least twice in the series bc the Mets are terrible against left handed pitching.

I dont like pitching Maddux twice bc he doesnt go deep into games and really isnt a good matchup vs the Mets.

2006-09-28 23:27:45
1585.   thinkblue0
1582-

I honestly think the only way we take this division is if we sweep SF. I just don't see the Madres going 0-3 with the way they're playing right now...

Although stranger things have happened.

2006-09-28 23:29:31
1586.   JoeyP
1579. That would be interesting whether if the Dodgers clinch the WC tomorrow, whether they do rest. If the division is at stake on Sat/Sun, I think Maddux/Lowe still go on 3 days rest.

I'd be very surprised if Little quits if the division is still winnable. Its not like wild card banners are flown at the stadium. Its all about division flags that are flown.

2006-09-28 23:30:16
1587.   thinkblue0
1584-

Common sense would say you'd have Kuo go twice...but managers don't always use that.

Is anyone else astounded by the idiocy of Kruk? He goes off on how the Dodgers are ruined without Penny then says losing Pedro is a "relief" for the Mets players. Really? Losing one of the best pitchers of all time is a relief?

2006-09-28 23:30:30
1588.   bhsportsguy
Can we get there first, we've been good so far, let's wait a day or two and then we can breakdown the next step.
2006-09-28 23:31:30
1589.   trainwreck
I also want Kuo starting twice. I am going to have to see Maddux on Saturday, because I am worried about him on short rest.
2006-09-28 23:34:46
1590.   trainwreck
1586
I don't really care about division flags. I care about World Series flags.
2006-09-28 23:35:32
1591.   Xeifrank
Ok, Guo twice... you've convinced me. :)
Perhaps Vin can learn how to pronounce one of the three parts of his name by the time the playoffs start. Not too much to ask for.
vr, Xei
2006-09-29 00:35:53
1592.   NPB
Are we there yet?
2006-09-29 01:57:44
1593.   bhsportsguy
Well the first game that matters doesn't start until 4 in the afternoon so we all should get more work done tomorrow.

Here are the current standings that matter to us in Dodgerland.

NL West
San Diego 86-73(3)
Los Angeles 85-74

NL Wild Card
Los Angeles 85-74 (2)
Philadelphia 83-76

With San Diego's win tonight coupled with Phillies loss, the Padres are guaranteed no worse than a Monday trip to Philly. Another win over the weekend and they clinch a playoff spot. Also, the Padres win guaranteed that the NL West winner will have the second seed for the playoffs.

Here is where it gets fun, if the Phillies lose again tomorrow and the Dodgers and Padres both win, not only will they both be in the playoffs, the Padres magic number goes to 1 even though they would only have a one game lead with two games to play because then a tie gives them the division due to the tiebreaker.

In other races
NL Central
St. Louis 81-77 (4)
Houston 81-78
Cincinnati 79-80

One could describe this race as having both the most scariest team heading toward the finish and the team that could erase the 1964 Phillies for the worst collapse in the regular season.

Now Houston has won nine straight, chances are they are bound to lose a game but will it be tomorrow with Roger Clemens on the mound, St. Louis is facing Chris Capuano on Friday and Ben Sheets on Saturday, in turn Jeff Weaver and Jeff Suppan take the mound for the Red Birds. If Houston wins just one of the next two games, a battered Carpenter will have to pitch Sunday hopefully to avoid having to play on Monday against the Giants (who do not want to fly to St. Louis after the Dodger series) and then depending on how that turns out, flying to Houston to face Roy Oswalt, with the winner of that game moving on.

Finally there is the AL Central where both the Tigers and Twins are tied with three games to go, Detroit holds the tie breaker but the earliest a winner can be determined is on Saturday.

Still lots of things are up in the air, only the New York Yankees and Mets know for sure that they are opening their respective series at home, the Yankees and Oakland know what day their series will start, they just don't know officially who they will play.

The Mets could play any one of 5 teams right now.

2006-09-29 02:01:14
1594.   Jon Weisman
1594 - Henry IV is crowned King of France at Rheims. Banat Rebellion of Serbs against Ottoman rule ends with the public burning of St Sava's bones in Belgrade, Serbia.

It had to happen sometime. New post up top.

2006-09-29 02:40:35
1595.   Eric Enders
Hey, just because there's a new post doesn't mean we have to post there. Onward to 2000!

OK, maybe not.

2006-09-29 07:48:52
1596.   Benaiah
1595 - We could always go for a perfect SAT score?
2006-09-29 07:49:13
1597.   Benaiah
Actually I think that the SAT is out of 2400 now.
2006-09-29 07:50:01
1598.   Benaiah
Though anyone can just add their Writing score to their other scores and get their score out of 2400.
2006-09-29 07:51:03
1599.   Benaiah
I am proud to say that I cleared 2000 under those guidelines, with some to spare.
2006-09-29 07:51:20
1600.   Benaiah
Though this is the first time I ever got to 1600!
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2006-09-29 08:59:28
1601.   Midwest Blue
Just to be part of the new millenia, I agree that Kuo has to start twice and given that the Mets have such a hard time with leftys, I'd do Stults again too:

Kuo
Lowe
Stults (with Maddox in the wings)
Kuo
Lowe

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