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Cardinals-Mets, NLCS Game 5 Chat/
Valenzuelas Are Teammates
2006-10-17 17:00
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Mets at Cardinals, 5:19 p.m.

* * *

Fernando Valenzuela Sr. and Jr. are teammates this fall with the Mexicali Aguilas of the Mexican Pacific League, Crystal Fukumoto of the Dodgers PR department reports. It is Dad's third season with Mexicali and 14th in the league. He does not appear to have taken the mound yet this season.

Son split time with Class-A Kannapolis and AA Mobile in 2006 and had something of a soft bat, OPSing .713. After five games with Mexicali, the 24-year-old is 6 for 18 with a double.

Comments (218)
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2006-10-17 17:06:47
1.   Gagne55
Old friend Jeff Weaver on the mound today.
2006-10-17 17:09:18
2.   Bluebleeder87
Weaver pitched a really good game last time out, i'm hoping he gets better run support this time out.

ANYBODY BUT NY!!

2006-10-17 17:09:31
3.   Kayaker7
Jeff is a big game pitcher, as evidenced by his performance thus far. (snicker)
2006-10-17 17:12:07
4.   caseybarker
Huh?
2006-10-17 17:14:24
5.   Kayaker7
Sorry, I violated Jon's Rule #7.
2006-10-17 17:14:31
6.   Xeifrank
What's the over/under on innings pitched and HRs given up for Cy Weaver tonight?
vr, Xei
2006-10-17 17:16:53
7.   Linkmeister
So Bob, does your library use that awful word "deacquisitioned" when it holds book sales?
2006-10-17 17:19:16
8.   Kayaker7
7 I think they use that euphemism, "preowned."
2006-10-17 17:19:42
9.   Bluebleeder87
I'm thinking/hoping Glavine will get hit hard today.
2006-10-17 17:20:26
10.   Jon Weisman
7 - At LACMA we would deaccession art.
2006-10-17 17:21:13
11.   Kayaker7
9 Why are you hoping that? Because he gets that call on the outside corner?
2006-10-17 17:21:27
12.   Bob Timmermann
7
We call them "Used book sales".

Books are either "withdrawn" (which means they get offered up to other libraries before they go up for sale) or "discarded" (which means they end up in a big recycling bin.)

2006-10-17 17:21:43
13.   Bluebleeder87
for the record i really wonder why the Dodgers hired Honeycutt as the pitching coach.

ps i wanted to say that all season long.

2006-10-17 17:22:42
14.   Bluebleeder87
nice play by Eck.
2006-10-17 17:22:54
15.   Linkmeister
10 Gag. Who invents these stupid words? It's like "at the present time" instead of "now." Drives me crazy.
2006-10-17 17:24:03
16.   Xeifrank
I was hoping LaRussa would roll the dice with the rainout and start Carpenter in game 5, maybe bringing him back for a 3 or 4 inning stint in a possible game 7. I guess he'd rather give it a shot with all his pitchers fully rested. vr, Xei
2006-10-17 17:25:20
17.   Bob Timmermann
At the present time, the Mets have an exigent need to utilize a different paradigm when pitching to Carlos Beltran.
2006-10-17 17:26:36
18.   Bob Timmermann
Jon no longer has to pretend that "curate" is a verb.
2006-10-17 17:26:48
19.   Linkmeister
17 It's a good thing I haven't the power to ban posters, that's all I have to say about that.
2006-10-17 17:27:36
20.   Kayaker7
17 In your effort to be erudite, you have the Mets pitching to their own batter. Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah. ;-)
2006-10-17 17:28:02
21.   franklin
6 Weaver 5 1/3 inn 4 ER 2 HR
2006-10-17 17:29:18
22.   Bob Timmermann
I'm not watching on an HDTV like I was in Japan so I can't count the zits on Jeff Weaver's face.

Is this good or bad?

2006-10-17 17:30:57
23.   Bluebleeder87
YES!!
2006-10-17 17:33:47
24.   Bluebleeder87
hoping the Cards go the other way against Glavine
2006-10-17 17:35:07
25.   Bluebleeder87
Eck answering my question off the bat. :o)
2006-10-17 17:36:20
26.   Bob Timmermann
24

He's a prophet! Stone him!

2006-10-17 17:38:03
27.   twerp
FOX called Weaver a power pitcher...?

Never heard him called anything but a sinkerballer before....

Maybe that's been his problem. Split personality....will the real Jeff Weaver please...oh, never mind..

2006-10-17 17:40:21
28.   Andrew Shimmin
I think 'deacquisition' and 'deaccession' are perfectly cromulent words.
2006-10-17 17:40:39
29.   Bluebleeder87
He's a prophet! Stone him!

nah, just pointing out the obvious pitching me away i'll go away. ;o)

2006-10-17 17:47:01
30.   Robert Daeley
Pienella finally speaks out on Lyons:

http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/018130.php

2006-10-17 17:47:51
31.   Kayaker7
27 I recall watching an Angels/Dodgers game, when Chan Ho was pitching. This was when Chan Ho could still throw the 96 MPH heater. Hudler and Physioc was prattling about how Park is a "finess" pitcher who could not blow the ball by anyone. They kept on saying that as the radar was indicating 96.
2006-10-17 17:49:33
32.   Bluebleeder87
so far so good for Weaver
2006-10-17 17:55:11
33.   Bluebleeder87
30

i kind of figured Piniella felt that way.

2006-10-17 17:57:35
34.   ToyCannon
Talking about making me feel old, I went to a game and sat behind the Dodger wifes many years ago when Fernando Jr was just a toddler.

Just got back from KC and the burial of Buck O'Neil was what I would expect to happen here when John Wooden dies. I always respected him but I was shocked at the attention he got in KC from all ages and all races. It was just dumb luck that I arrived the same day that he was lying in state at the Negro HOF but alas I was unable to make the journey as time did not permit it. Baseball interest has dimmed in KC due to the current state of the Royals but everyone seemed to respect and know of Buck.

2006-10-17 18:02:54
35.   Uncle Miltie
I'm getting tired of postseason baseball and I really don't care for any of the teams that are in it (now that the Dodgers and A's have been eliminated). The Mets are probably the most exciting of the three teams remaining.

I think I'll watch Hannity and Colmes (FOX NEWS!) instead.

2006-10-17 18:04:32
36.   Bob Timmermann
35

But you have to watch! It's your duty, Judy!

2006-10-17 18:04:59
37.   KG16
35 - yeah, I kinda feel the same way (except about the A's - never liked them), just waiting for the Laker game to start, really...
2006-10-17 18:05:27
38.   trainwreck
At first I read the headline as Venezuelans are teammates and that confused me.
2006-10-17 18:06:55
39.   D4P
Hannity and Colmes

I haven't watched that show in a long time, but I gather a more accurate title would be more like

HANNITY (oh yeah, and that token liberal guy whom we use to try to justify our "fair and balanced" mantra...)

2006-10-17 18:08:27
40.   Bluebleeder87
300,000,000.00 people in the U.S.

i feel so random.

2006-10-17 18:09:50
41.   Bob Timmermann
300,000,000.00 people in the U.S.

OK, you've got to explain why you put the .00 after 300 million.

2006-10-17 18:09:53
42.   Linkmeister
40 Um, what's with the decimal points?
2006-10-17 18:10:12
43.   Linkmeister
Missed it by that much!
2006-10-17 18:10:22
44.   ToyCannon
Don't understand baseball fans who don't watch the playoffs and world series. To me that says your only a fan of your team and not baseball or your just full of sour grapes cause your boys didn't make it. JMO
2006-10-17 18:12:14
45.   Uncle Miltie
39- pretty much. Hannity is the executive producer of the show, so he calls the shots. I personally don't like either of them, but it's still somewhat entertaining. It also gives me another perspective on certain issues (not going to use the "p" word) that most professors at my school strongly discourage.
2006-10-17 18:12:19
46.   xaphor
42. A hold over from the Three Fifths Compromise?
2006-10-17 18:13:12
47.   Bluebleeder87
41

oops

2006-10-17 18:13:29
48.   Linkmeister
44 Eh, there's watching 'em and there's taking an active interest in 'em. If I needed to go to the store while one of these games was on, I'd go. If it were the Dodgers, I'd have to be at gunpoint to leave the tube.
2006-10-17 18:14:18
49.   D4P
It also gives me another perspective on certain issues (not going to use the "p" word) that most professors at my school strongly discourage

Do you mean that most of your professors discourage exposure to: (1) other perspectives per se, or (2) particular other perspectives?

2006-10-17 18:15:12
50.   Bob Timmermann
45
You could just read the National Review or Weekly Standard online and there would be far less shouting.
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2006-10-17 18:15:55
51.   Uncle Miltie
44- I usually watch as many playoffs games as I can, but I've been studying a lot harder in hopes of transferring schools next year. If the Twins, Yankees, Dodgers, or A's were still in it, I'd probably be watching more. I will watch the World Series, but I doubt I'll be glued to my seat.

I can't wait for basketball season to start. The Clippers are going to be even better this year.

2006-10-17 18:16:11
52.   adraymond
Did Joe Buck just use the words "post," "bag" and "hole" in the same sentence? Come one, this is family tv.
2006-10-17 18:17:20
53.   xaphor
50. How do you know who wins the argument if you can't hear who shouts the loudest?
2006-10-17 18:18:20
54.   Bob Timmermann
53
Well, when you put it that way...

Isn't that how Question Time works in the British Parliament?

2006-10-17 18:22:09
55.   Bluebleeder87
that's crazy i thought Shawn Green was born out here.
2006-10-17 18:24:13
56.   Bob Timmermann
If Shawn Green were playing for the Cubs or White Sox, there would be much made of his Chicago roots. The New York Times loves playing up Lo Duca's Brooklyn birth.
2006-10-17 18:24:20
57.   Bluebleeder87
ugh NY
2006-10-17 18:24:22
58.   Uncle Miltie
49- number 2, particularly my Ethnic Studies and Philosophy teachers this year. Last year it was my Macroeconomics and Sociology teachers.
50- but that takes out all the fun in it. There's no replacement for seeing Bill O'Reilly cut off and/or shout at his guest or hearing Sean Hannity preach about "morality".

Back to baseball...and basketball...TV shows that I don't watch

2006-10-17 18:28:34
59.   xaphor
54. Will the right honorable gentlemen please refrain from further slanderous remarks on our glorious political institution. Here, here!
2006-10-17 18:29:24
60.   Bob Timmermann
59
I refer to the gentleman the answer I gave earlier.
2006-10-17 18:31:57
61.   Bob Timmermann
A friend emailed me an information flyer for the UCLA-Notre Dame game this Saturday.

It includes a schedule of Masses.

And Hannah Storm will be having a book signing!

2006-10-17 18:33:24
62.   Bluebleeder87
Pujols!!
2006-10-17 18:34:14
63.   D4P
And Hannah Storm will be having a book signing!

Caption beneath newspaper photo of no one lining up for autographs:

"Calm before the Storm"

2006-10-17 18:34:53
64.   scareduck
For those of you not listening to the radio broadcast, I was shocked and in stitches to hear one of the radio broadcasters say that the grounds crew must have been Republicans because "eavesdropping is okay" (regarding the microphones implanted in the bases). Wonder if somebody's about to get fired over that one...
2006-10-17 18:37:51
65.   gpellamjr
Why isn't Duncan starting for St. Louis? I hope (for sanity's sake) that he's hurt and LaRussa hasn't just decided to play Wilson or En-Kuh-Nahr-See-Own over him for some other reason.
2006-10-17 18:39:54
66.   Bob Timmermann
Hannah Storm's book signing is at the same time and place as Paul Hornung's, so I think somebody will show up.

At 11 am before the game, a law professor will speak about the 14th Amendment, but I'm more intrigued by the 8:30 Gamblers Anonymous meeting.

Notre Dame is a 13 1/2 point favorite.

2006-10-17 18:40:00
67.   xaphor
61. Is there a service set aside for the visiting team to prey for clemency?
2006-10-17 18:40:06
68.   Bluebleeder87
i'm gonna bust a McCarver, the Cardinals are having a nice inning.
2006-10-17 18:40:44
69.   Bob Timmermann
65
Duncan likely isn't starting because he's a lefty.
2006-10-17 18:41:01
70.   D4P
65
The Cards need Enkuhnarcion in there to protect Pujols
2006-10-17 18:41:37
71.   Bob Timmermann
67
I will light a candle in the Grotto for Karl Dorrell.

I won't say what I want God to do with Karl Dorrell. I will let the other UCLA fans fill that part in.

2006-10-17 18:42:47
72.   Terry A
Has the dugout camera caught Scott Rolen staring a hole through Tony La Russa yet? The two apparently aren't the best of friends these days.
2006-10-17 18:43:49
73.   Bluebleeder87
that pitch tha Glavine threw was atleast a foot away!!
2006-10-17 18:44:20
74.   gpellamjr
70 You're joking, right? I mean, that's not the official reasoning, is it?
2006-10-17 18:48:46
75.   Bob Timmermann
I think the official reasoning is that Duncan is a lefty. It's the same reason why Spiezio isn't starting.

Duncan has been in a slump in the playoffs anyway.

2006-10-17 19:01:12
76.   Bob Timmermann
According to news reports by a bum and some other St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter, it's likely the lefty/lefty thing, but La Russa wouldn't say so.

http://tinyurl.com/yfskq6

2006-10-17 19:02:07
77.   Bluebleeder87
i guess the Cardinals figured out Glavine
2006-10-17 19:03:31
78.   regfairfield
The Encarnacion gambit has failed.
2006-10-17 19:06:26
79.   Bob Timmermann
Bunting with the #4 hitter! And I just came back from Japan!
2006-10-17 19:07:02
80.   D4P
Cleanup hitter: bunting...?
2006-10-17 19:08:30
81.   D4P
The Encarnacion gambit has failed

Take that, regfairfield...

2006-10-17 19:17:38
82.   Bluebleeder87
i was hoping the Cards scored more but i'm happy with the outcome

anybody but NY!!

2006-10-17 19:21:55
83.   Gagne55
Yeah, I guess I'm rooting for the Cardinals too. They've been the NL team of the 21st century and deserve at least one title from the run. Kind of sucks that it had to be the worst Cardinal team of that time period, but the other teams have been perenial doormats. (Though I expect the Mets to win a some more NL East titles in the next few years)
2006-10-17 19:24:15
84.   Bluebleeder87
Wright is one tough customer
2006-10-17 19:24:45
85.   ToyCannon
Why do I dislike LaDuca so much now? Everytime I see a photo shot I see a jerk.

David Wright is 1 for 15 and I don't see anyone wanting to hang him in effigy. Are Met fans more realistic about expectations?

2006-10-17 19:28:20
86.   underdog
can somebody prove beyond shadow of a doubt that this is the same Jeff Weaver that we all know and love, or is this some sort of alien imposter?
2006-10-17 19:31:15
87.   Bob Timmermann
85
I feel the same Lo Duca anger welling inside of me. I really don't want the Mets to lose. I want Lo Duca to lose. And lose badly. And in the most embarrassing way. I look at Lo Duca and I see Hal Chase.
2006-10-17 19:31:30
88.   Bluebleeder87
86

i think Dave Duncan polished off the curves,he's looking alot like when he was a Dodger

2006-10-17 19:34:33
89.   Andrew Shimmin
I wish I had a new car with an ugly man wearing a dress on the roof.
2006-10-17 19:34:40
90.   Bluebleeder87
i really can't understand why Orel Hershiser isn't our pitching coach
2006-10-17 19:35:29
91.   Bob Timmermann
90
Because ESPN pays more?
2006-10-17 19:35:37
92.   Bluebleeder87
89

& angry brit wearing a dress

2006-10-17 19:36:06
93.   Greg Brock
I wish Tom Lasorda would stop yelling at me. I'm watching the stupid playoffs, quit barking orders at me, Tommy.
2006-10-17 19:38:36
94.   Bob Timmermann
93
Do you want me to light a candle in The Grotto for Karl Dorrell?
2006-10-17 19:38:39
95.   Bluebleeder87
who ever said Duncan was in a slump TAKE THAT He says!!
2006-10-17 19:39:41
96.   Terry A
Chris Duncan, smokeless tobacco addict.

But I'm proud of him anyway.

2006-10-17 19:41:04
97.   Greg Brock
94 Hey, he could use all the help he can get.

I wonder what the Second Vatican Council said about punting in the fourth quarter.

2006-10-17 19:44:04
98.   Gen3Blue
The Mets--nothing special so far

Weaver--I always thought there was something good here, at least compared to some D's potential starters. However, he wouldn't have been worth what they would have had to pay him. Besides, I'm thinkin' he was a Boras guy, and we can't have him on principle.

2006-10-17 19:49:07
99.   Bluebleeder87
98

he was a Boras guy asking for a ridiculos raise.

2006-10-17 19:51:17
100.   Gen3Blue
I'm sorry to be so obsessed with Boras, but we helped him with a few big contracts(?) and he turned around and screwed us out of our first round pick in a very public,antagonistic way. Then he tried to diss a few of our org. guys, but that didn't even begin to fly.
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2006-10-17 19:51:22
101.   Andrew Shimmin
98- Plus we got Morris and Mattingly for letting the Angels pay him.
2006-10-17 19:52:06
102.   ToyCannon
93
He's yelling at Uncle Miltie
2006-10-17 19:55:08
103.   ToyCannon
101
If we can get the same for Lugo I'll be a happy camper since I expect we'll be giving up our number one pick this winter for one of Zito, Schmidt, Lilly, C Lee, or Soriano.

87
Good, I thought it was just me.

2006-10-17 19:59:44
104.   regfairfield
This series has been going on for a week and I still don't know who I'm rooting for. On the one hand, the Mets have Lo Duca, and I want to see their unwillingness to wait one year for greatness be punished.

On the other hand, Tony LaRussa elicits similar rage, and the Cardinals aren't even a good team, let alone a great one.

Help me out here.

2006-10-17 20:02:14
105.   D4P
Help me out here

The Cardinals lead the Dodgers in franchise World Series Championships, right? So, let's root against them...

2006-10-17 20:04:46
106.   Bob Timmermann
My internal conflict is greater. My relationship with the Cardinals is problematic to say the least. Yet a Mets fan once told me that it was a good thing my father was dead since he was a (expletive deleted).

And the Mets fan wasn't kidding.

2006-10-17 20:07:23
107.   D4P
106
Did the Mets fan know your father personally...?
2006-10-17 20:07:58
108.   Bob Timmermann
107
No.
2006-10-17 20:08:00
109.   Bluebleeder87
104

well i'm rooting for the Cards to beat NY "anybody but NY!" but i'm rooting for Detiot over all simply because i have family that lives there.

2006-10-17 20:10:16
110.   Bluebleeder87
108

i'da punch the jerk right in the mouth (seriously!!)

2006-10-17 20:11:02
111.   Bob Timmermann
110
The built in safety features of the Internet make it hard to hit somebody in the mouth.
2006-10-17 20:11:20
112.   D4P
108
Well, I doubt all Mets fans feel that way about your father...
2006-10-17 20:11:29
113.   Bluebleeder87
Belliard was playing short right field
2006-10-17 20:12:31
114.   Bluebleeder87
111

i was thinking he told you that in person.

2006-10-17 20:13:41
115.   Bob Timmermann
112
But why would someone say it barring the possibility that my father was named Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin?
2006-10-17 20:15:27
116.   regfairfield
I guess I'll root for the Cardinals then.
2006-10-17 20:15:33
117.   Bob Timmermann
The only thing worse than Lo Duca being the hero would be Green coming through in this situation.
2006-10-17 20:16:19
118.   Bob Timmermann
116
But I almost got into a fight with Cardinals fans this year!
2006-10-17 20:16:50
119.   D4P
117
Why the anti-Shawn Green sentiment...?
2006-10-17 20:17:58
120.   Bob Timmermann
119

Shawn Green has become a parody of himself.

2006-10-17 20:19:11
121.   D4P
Well, if one Old Friend can't get the job done, there's always another waiting in line...

Come on Jose!

2006-10-17 20:19:17
122.   regfairfield
118 That's just because you weren't nearly the fan they were.
2006-10-17 20:21:18
123.   Bob Timmermann
121
Jose Valentin is allowed to come through according to my complicated matrix of feelings.
2006-10-17 20:21:21
124.   underdog
104 I'm rooting for the Tigers to put the beat-down on either of these teams, basically. I really don't like either of them. All I know is, after this half inning i'm turning it to HBO to watch The Wire episode I missed the other night, the game be darned.
2006-10-17 20:22:18
125.   Bob Timmermann
122
I am not The Best Fan in Baseball™ obviously.
2006-10-17 20:23:16
126.   Bob Timmermann
124
It was a very good episode.
2006-10-17 20:24:56
127.   D4P
Showing all the frumpy Cardinal fans isn't very endearing...
2006-10-17 20:25:37
128.   D4P
In five minutes, I'm switching the TV over to "Cheap Seats"
2006-10-17 20:25:42
129.   Jon Weisman
I'm gonna weigh in and say I'm not rooting for the near-.500 team to make the Series, at least in this case, and I am rooting for the team that eliminated the Dodgers so that I won't feel as bad about their elimination.
2006-10-17 20:26:56
130.   Steve
I heard a rumor that Shawn Green is replacing Alan Colmes.
2006-10-17 20:27:31
131.   Bob Timmermann
127

Frumpiness is a prerequisite for living in the St. Louis area however.

2006-10-17 20:28:27
132.   xaphor
I've said this before, but I am rooting against replays of the Play AKA the Mets.

125. Friends and family must look at you and your brother and wonder where things went so horribly wrong. :)

2006-10-17 20:28:33
133.   D4P
130
Green is too good-looking. FoxNews viewers like their lib'rals to be uggos...
2006-10-17 20:29:41
134.   Bob Timmermann
129
In 1985 when I was a junior at UCLA, I was in Speech 1 when Jack Clark happened. I told the two guys sitting behind me (who were high school seniors taking the class) and they were both Mets fans. They rejoiced at the news and said, "This means the Mets are the second best team!"

Why do I remember such painful things in such detail?

2006-10-17 20:31:03
135.   Bob Timmermann
November 12 is Aaron Miles Day in Antioch, California.

Prepare accordingly.

2006-10-17 20:32:15
136.   underdog
129 Actually, that's about how I feel, too. I'd like the Mets to go to the Series just so I can say "See? The Dodgers lost to a very good team!" even if it barely deadens the pain. The Cardinals also bore me, and stand less of a chance against the Tigers so that would be another yawner of a WS.

131 What, do you not like Cardinals fans or something, Bob?

{duck}

Okay, off to "West Baltimore," HBO style.

2006-10-17 20:32:18
137.   dzzrtRatt
I was a Met fan before I was a Dodger fan. My childhood ardor is now a mere ember, but I do root for them against anyone but the Dodgers.

Jeff Weaver getting a win would be very cool, however. To go from being DFA'd to make room for your own brother to winning a key NLCS game in the same season is, to say the least, a nice story.

P.S. Jon, I loved your previous post on Lyons. Well said, squared.

2006-10-17 20:33:48
138.   Bob Timmermann
I will add that I am descended from those same frumpy people. My mom, a St. Louis native, believed that she could not put on any piece of clothing that did not make her look like Queen Elizabeth.
2006-10-17 20:33:49
139.   Greg Brock
The great thing about Eckstein is that if you have a kid who's not very big, but wants to be a major leaguer, you can point to Eckstein and say, "Look, son. See that guy out there...You too can be a scrappy little player that your Dad wants to punch in the mouth."
2006-10-17 20:34:52
140.   dzzrtRatt
Hey, McCarver: Mota did not "come up in the Dodgers' organization." We got him in a trade with Montreal, right?
2006-10-17 20:35:12
141.   regfairfield
I don't believe I've ever seen the Dodgers use this philosophy.
2006-10-17 20:35:22
142.   Bob Timmermann
Tim McCarver needs to be told that Guillermo Mota didn't learn his pitching in the Dodger organization.

He actually came up with the Mets.

2006-10-17 20:35:56
143.   Bluebleeder87
Mota came up with Montreal if i remember correctly McCarver!
2006-10-17 20:36:48
144.   Bob Timmermann
Mota went:

Mets (minors)
Expos
Dodgers
Marlins
Indians
Mets

2006-10-17 20:38:07
145.   Daniel Zappala
The Angels rescued Eckstein from the Red Sox' scrap heap, so he is therefore permanently on my good list.
2006-10-17 20:38:26
146.   dzzrtRatt
Mota did "the Dodger organization" proud!
2006-10-17 20:38:35
147.   Bob Timmermann
141

I think McCarver must be thinking about Don Drysdale and Stan Williams.

2006-10-17 20:39:10
148.   Daniel Zappala
Why didn't the Dodgers pick up Mota when their bullpen was so shaky this year? Surely he would have been better than many of the others they tried. Would have been a good case of buying low.
2006-10-17 20:39:16
149.   Bluebleeder87
144

Mota has gone full circle

2006-10-17 20:40:34
150.   Bluebleeder87
148

i don't trust Honeycutt all that much to be really honest with you.

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2006-10-17 20:42:07
151.   Bob Timmermann
148

Mota was really, really, really awful in Cleveland. He gave up 9 home runs in 37 innings.

We would have vilified the Dodgers here for such an acquisition.

2006-10-17 20:44:05
152.   dzzrtRatt
Colletti is reportedly working on a trade to bring LoDuca and Mota to the Dodgers in exchange for Brad Penny.
2006-10-17 20:44:27
153.   Bob Timmermann
http://griddle.baseballtoaster.com/archives/479654.html

At the time of Mota's acquisition by the Mets.

2006-10-17 20:47:35
154.   xaphor
The first clue Mota was going to turn it around. He wasn't picked up by the Reds.
2006-10-17 20:50:21
155.   Bob Timmermann
Does anyone know if youth soccer games are played in the rain?

We're talking about Michigan kids, not California kids.

2006-10-17 20:51:20
156.   Bluebleeder87
Jeff Weaver looking very good in his last 2 starts.
2006-10-17 20:52:18
157.   Daniel Zappala
We pick up Lance Carter but can't give Mota a chance? The world is a strange place.

Yes, youth soccer games are generally played in the rain. We did it in Oregon, so you can pretty much do it anywhere.

2006-10-17 20:53:20
158.   xaphor
155. I don't remember playing soccer in anything but the rain. That's life in Manchester. :)
2006-10-17 20:53:47
159.   Bluebleeder87
WOW! Pujols makes Rosenthal look like a little person.
2006-10-17 20:57:16
160.   Bluebleeder87
i played soccer like 3 times in my life & it was always nice & sunny being California & all.
2006-10-17 20:57:52
161.   Uncle Miltie
130- I don't see the resemblance.
I did google Alan Colmes and came up with this picture.
http://tinyurl.com/y6uhuc
Is there something that FMLM Kevin Kennedy forgot to tell us?

133- like Ann Coulter? ;)

2006-10-17 21:06:28
162.   Uncle Miltie
Elton Brand is the Travis Hafner of basketball players. The only difference is that Elton Brand plays defense.
2006-10-17 21:06:58
163.   still bevens
Didnt the Weav pitch a 5 inning shutout in game 1 of the NLDS? So hes basically 2-1 with a 2-ish (maybe lower) ERA in the postseason? Whodathunkit?
2006-10-17 21:08:31
164.   das411
Hey guys (Nate), has anybody heard of a prospect in the Tampa systen named Brian Baker? I just found out a friend of mine here at school knows him, as in he-and-her-best-friend-are-together knows him!

And how did the Weave do tonight?

2006-10-17 21:13:20
165.   Bluebleeder87
164

Weaver looked very good he remined me of when he pitched for us.

2006-10-17 21:17:28
166.   Andrew Shimmin
165- I hadn't, but he was easy to look up. There probably aren't a lot of 26 year old Frontier League outfielders who get picked up as relief pitchers. Not bad numbers, except he's 27 throwing in low A. If Tampa has a playoff run, next year, maybe we'll be able to trade Marlon Anderson for him.

http://tinyurl.com/ykper9

2006-10-17 21:21:02
167.   dzzrtRatt
More on the topic of the last thread, this episode from Piniella's press conference was funny:

Asked about how to improve the team's on-base percentage, Piniella said, "My philosophy is to get eight midgets up there who walk all the time."

Later, Piniella apologized for the comment, saying he didn't mean to offend anyone and the reference was linked to Eddie Gaedel, who had an at-bat for the St. Louis Browns.

2006-10-17 21:24:43
168.   Greg Brock
167
Oh, and Dude, "Midget" is not the preferred nomenclature.
"Little Person", Dude.

We're not talking about a guy in the circus here, Walter

2006-10-17 21:29:51
169.   Andrew Shimmin
My social life is too rich and deep to understand this piece, but I have a feeling some of you losers might find it funny: http://tinyurl.com/yd2yno
2006-10-17 21:32:57
170.   trainwreck
There is a prospect for the Reds with the name Jorge Poo Tang. Poo is his supposed middle name.
2006-10-17 21:33:22
171.   D4P
My social life is too rich and deep

Chowing down on McNuggets at Walmart doesn't really count as "social," Andrew...

2006-10-17 21:42:28
172.   Greg Brock
Man fingers commenter for finger food fetish.
2006-10-17 21:46:09
173.   Steve
I heard a rumor that Torii Hunter eats Chicken McNuggets at Walmart every Thursday.
2006-10-17 21:46:59
174.   Andrew Shimmin
McNuggets were the best. I can't remember my last McNugget. D4P, you've awakened a long forgotten craving in me! And they came in honey, which, while not partially hydrogenated corn syrup, is excellent.
2006-10-17 21:48:20
175.   Andrew Shimmin
173- Every Thursday at 8:30. He's also a The Office dissenter, G-d save his soul.
2006-10-17 21:48:41
176.   xaphor
169. I love this T-shirt from one of my daily web comics.

If it weren't for Carbon-14, I wouldn't date at all.
http://www.dieselsweeties.com/shirts/carbon14/

2006-10-17 21:55:07
177.   D4P
He's also a The Office dissenter

AKA "enemy combatant"

2006-10-17 21:56:34
178.   Greg Brock
177
In theory, the passage of today's bill means that you can be thrown in prison without cause.

Personally, I think not watching The Office is cause enough, but I'm not the Attorney General.

You're very lucky that's the case...

2006-10-17 22:07:57
179.   D4P
178
I haven't been completely forthright regarding my decision not to watch The Office. The real reason is personal, and to share it makes me open and vulnerable. But if the alternative is life in prison with no recourse, then I suppose there really is no alternative.

I don't watch The Office because I am not ready for another relationship at this time. I just went through a messy break-up with Arrested Development, and am still getting over her. I think about her almost everyday, and my heart still hurts. Even though I know she is never coming back, I'm still in that stage where I'm holding out hope.

I can't be good to anyone else like this, and it just wouldn't be fair to The Office (or any other program) to be with me when I can't give 100%. I'm looking forward to the day when I am ready to love again, but until then, I must withhold my favor and face the (Thurdsay) night alone...

2006-10-17 22:08:42
180.   Xeifrank
The Friends of Dodger Thoughts fantasy basketball league still has a few openings for our week from wednesday evening live draft. Come compete against many of your favorite DT members. I must admit that my Friends of DT baseball team tanked and my Friends of DT football team isn't doing too well either. vr, Xei
http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/
id: 41973
pw: dodgers
2006-10-17 22:08:47
181.   Gen3Blue
I repeat 98!
But I add, without regard to politics--
The worst fate would be to wake up and find oneself married to Anne Coulter!
2006-10-17 22:12:26
182.   Greg Brock
179 Nothing helps you get over the last girl like the next girl.
2006-10-17 22:12:56
183.   ToyCannon
I can't imagine how anybody would root against Eckstien except for a large man who is jealous that when he's 60 he'll be bent over as gravity beats him down while Eckstien will be still be windmilling players around 3rd base standing just as tall at 60 as he was at 20.
2006-10-17 22:26:01
184.   Greg Brock
I don't like David Eckstein for the same reason I don't like Derek Jeter and Brett Favre.

Nobody enjoys being told who they "Just gotta love," or who they "Just gotta root for," especially me. No, I don't gotta love anybody, thank you very much. I'll pick my favorite players without anybody's help. It's not really about Eckstein.

Petty? you bet, but it's just the contrarian in me.

2006-10-17 22:30:39
185.   D4P
184
Exactly. The more I'm "supposed" to root for someone, the less likely I am to do so.

Kinda like watching The Office...

2006-10-17 22:34:19
186.   Greg Brock
185
Yes, but the problem with your example is that The Office is great and you are wrong.

But you've got the right idea.

2006-10-17 22:36:42
187.   Xeifrank
I heard a rumor that there is a great movie and tv chat going on right now over at the TV Toaster. I probably won't make it this time, so the rest of you big tv and movie fans have fun.
vr, Xei
2006-10-17 22:37:10
188.   Greg Brock
I should have added a big smiley face with a wink to that comment, but I'm averse to such things. Nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more.
2006-10-17 22:37:22
189.   Strike4
If the Cards get to the WS, a share of the players pool should go to the doctor who thought to check Weaver for ADD.
2006-10-17 22:38:59
190.   D4P
188
My smiley faces and winks are implicit
2006-10-17 22:39:36
191.   Xeifrank
So, does Luke Hochever make it to the big leagues in 2007? How much did KC end up paying him and what were the rumored highest Dodger offerings? vr, Xei
2006-10-17 22:41:16
192.   D4P
191
Take your baseball talk elsewhere, Xei. It's not welcome here...
2006-10-17 22:43:47
193.   Greg Brock
Hochevar got more money than the Dodgers offered, part of that is because the Royals were willing to pay, partly because he was drafted much higher this time.
2006-10-17 22:46:37
194.   trainwreck
I think he will see action next year. He is pretty polished, even though he had the big layoff.
2006-10-17 22:47:26
195.   das411
166 - Wow, that is weird, check out the MiLB stats for him: http://tinyurl.com/yc38au

I somehow doubt this is a Furcal-esque age difference...hmm...

Were Leyland and LaRussa ever on the same coaching staff back with those early 80s ChiSox, anybody?

2006-10-17 22:47:53
196.   Xeifrank
193. Did the lost year make up for the extra salary he got from KC? The Royals have a couple of nice medium to high level prospects now. Then again they are the Royals, one of the Yankees many AAA affiliates. vr, Xei
2006-10-17 22:48:49
197.   ToyCannon
He sure got whacked the other day in the AFL by a bunch of not ready for prime time prospects.
2006-10-17 22:52:15
198.   Greg Brock
196 You always have to keep in mind that it's also about driving the market up, especially with Boras clients.

The issue was never what was best for Hochevar, but he didn't throw many innings in that off year, and taking a year off is usually pretty great for college pitchers who get worked into the ground by coaches who need to win, and don't generally focus on a pitcher's pro career.

2006-10-17 23:01:16
199.   trainwreck
Did Boras get him a deal that put him on the 40-man roster?
2006-10-17 23:03:44
200.   Greg Brock
I think that Rickie Weeks, Stephen Drew, and a bunch of other college studs get the same deal. I'm not totally positive, but it comes with the whole "Major League contract" thing.
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2006-10-17 23:04:19
201.   Greg Brock
Where's Nate when you need confirmation on this stuff?

Nate! HEY, NATE!

2006-10-17 23:04:49
202.   Xeifrank
FWIW in our softball game tonight we had a repeat of the Kent/Drew double play fiasco at home plate. The other team had runners on first and second with no outs. The batter clubs the ball over the LCFers head. The runner on first must've been half way and got a late jump. The runner scored from second. The runner on first and the batter rounded third in tandem. The relay throw to the plate beat them and the catcher tagged them both out. Everyone got a good laugh out of it, especially since it just happened to the Dodgers. vr, Xei
2006-10-17 23:06:15
203.   trainwreck
I guess its funny when it does not come in the playoffs.
2006-10-17 23:15:06
204.   D4P
Greg - Did you sample the Radiohead songs I recommended...?
2006-10-17 23:16:32
205.   Greg Brock
Oh, you know I downloaded them, but I completely forgot to listen. I'll give them a listen tomorrow, and let you know.

Thanks again for the recommendations.

2006-10-17 23:19:57
206.   D4P
205
I downloaded them

For entertainment purposes only, of course...And you'll delete them immediately upon listening, of course...

2006-10-17 23:23:13
207.   Greg Brock
206 In the words of every high school kid, "Um, yeah, Whatever."
2006-10-17 23:27:25
208.   Bob Timmermann
Re: Hochevar

http://tinyurl.com/3tv5q

This wasn't very hard to find out, people.

2006-10-17 23:29:46
209.   Greg Brock
208
I think the question was whether or not placement on the 40 man roster was in his contract, not if he is on the 40 man roster.
2006-10-17 23:38:05
210.   Bob Timmermann
http://tinyurl.com/vg449

And so to bed.

2006-10-18 00:01:48
211.   Xeifrank
210. Bob sleeps? I thought the sun never sets on Bob's empire. vr, Xei
2006-10-18 00:41:41
212.   trainwreck
If only we could travel back in time and use the money we spent on Lugo to sign Hochevar.

Why do I bring this up? To further show there are worse things we could have spent our money on then Hochevar.

2006-10-18 00:45:36
213.   natepurcell
Hochevar is a jackass. Lets not talk about him.
2006-10-18 06:23:40
214.   50 years a Dodger Fan
212 At some point it became not about money but about egos, Boras's and White's...
2006-10-18 08:42:44
215.   underdog
Speaking of the Ariz Fall League (well, someone was before), follow your favorite Dodger prospects participating in the league here:

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=555

AJ Ellis is batting .625! (In 4 games...)

2006-10-18 09:08:48
216.   Greg Brock
Bob does not sleep. Bob waits.
2006-10-18 10:08:08
217.   bigcpa
Can someone recommend a busy Mets board where I can observe their meltdown? I need closure after those mean things the '04 Dodger alums said about us.
2006-10-18 10:18:26
218.   Xeifrank
217. metsblog.com
vr/Xei

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