I need more information so badly... How would one go about trying to find out more?

I know the Vin thing grabs one's attention pretty severely, but Arnold and Sly in a John Hughes movie? The I'll Have You For Breakfast Club?

2 How many years you been saving that one for?

1 I tried like the Dickens to do more sleuthing on this.

Alas, the Googles...they do nothing.

Funny, I kind of think I heard about this before but I thought it had something to do with some construction issues.

Was about to post this down below, since it fit there, but seeing as how there's a new post:

Tying together two of the major threads of that last comment collection, I believe that John Lennon was best man at Peter Boyle's wedding. So, um, he had that going for him, which is nice.

Was about to post this down below, since it fit there, but seeing as how there's a new post:

Tying together two of the major threads of that last comment collection, I believe that John Lennon was best man at Peter Boyle's wedding. So, um, he had that going for him, which is nice.

4 - I think that you would have to somehow ask either Vin or Sly about it. I doubt it went to the police and without that there wouldn't be much of a record. Other than that, someone in one of their families would know.

sorry for the double post. it's just very exciting information to me.

I would love to hear Vin do a Stallone rant on the air along the lines of what he had to say about Chavez.

THE CASE Vin Scully v. Stallone FILED May 1993 THE COMPLAINT The voice of the Dodgers claims that runoff from neighbor Stallone's yard caused millions of dollars in water damage to Scully's Pacific Palisades home. OUTCOME Scully wins.

Los Angeles Magazine, June, 2002 by Mitch Getz

Link to the Google cached page:

http://tinyurl.com/y8gtao

Scully wins!

Ain't gonna be no rematch.
Don't want one.

Hmm... much less exciting than I hoped. I was hoping that Vin was putting sugar in his gas tank in retaliation for Sly stealing his cable or something.

Perhaps Stallone, recently quoted, "I didn't live the life that I wanted, and now I've got all this stuff I want to say, but nobody wants to hear it", should have spent a little time talking to his neighbour.

And to carry over the Boyle eulogy from the previous thread, I'm surprised no one mentioned Young Frankenstein and Johnny Dangerously. One great, one cheesy, but both fun comedies that recall memorable performances.

Si.com says that Matsuzaka will get 6 years 52 million with incentives that could take it up to 6 years 60 million.

callis on kershaw

Steve (Texas): Do you expect the Dodgers to take their time developing Clayton Kershaw? Where does he rank among the Dodgers top prospects?

Jim Callis: (2:44 PM ET ) They won't rush him, but it's hard to hold that kind of talent back. If he's pitching in the big leagues by the end of 2008, it really wouldn't shock me. Sneak Preview: Kershaw is No. 2 on our Dodgers list, behind Andy LaRoche.

Young Frankenstein was mentioned. See Defamer link Jon mentioned.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6266048

51+52/6=~17 million a year
51+60/6=~18.5

So the Sox paid 17-18.5 million per year, with luxury tax breaks on half of that, for the best pitcher of the offseason. Barring the unforeseen, I think this is a decent deal for the Sox. Its a lot of years, but the 51 million was a sunk cost so every extra year makes is at a discount and he is only 25.

18 Also, someone quoted from the scene in which Boyle, as the monster, performs "Puttin' on the Ritz" with Gene Wilder. That, alone, was worth the price of admission.

Young Frankenstein was the first piece of work in which I'd ever seen Peter Boyle. I've had a soft spot for him ever since.

19 - Now I see that Andrew posted this on the last thread.

17 That's a reversal of BA's evaluation of 2 months ago, which listed Elbert ahead of Kershaw on the list of top LHP prospects in baseball.

1. Andrew Miller, Tigers
2. Scott Elbert, Dodgers
3. Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers

Neither one's pitching winter ball, right? I wonder what changed their minds.

For those who missed the list, the other Dodgers were...

FIRST BASE
2. James Loney, Dodgers

SECOND BASE
"DeWitt might not have hit in Double-A like he did in the Florida State League, but the lefthanded-hitting second baseman has the most upside with power and the ability to make consistent contact."
1. Blake DeWitt, Dodgers
8. Tony Abreu, Dodgers

THIRD BASE
"One of the deepest positions with star power in the minors..."
3. Andy LaRoche, Dodgers

SHORTSTOP
9. Chin-Lung Hu, Dodgers

CENTER FIELD
"By far the best position in terms of depth..."
5. Matt Kemp, Dodgers

OT, but I note that the NY Times has started putting social media tags on its stories.

Don't you all think if Jon started letting people Tag and Digg and Facebook, etc., these posts -- this one in particular has "internet phenomenon" written all over it-- it might be helpful in getting his name & talent wider exposure?

23 But does Jon want said exposure?

23 - Should I know what a social media tag is? I gather that I should.

First Bob Barker punches out Happy Gilmore, and now Vin Scully knocks out Rocky. What's next on the fight card? Alex Trebek vs. Mr. T?

25 Glad I'm not the only one who's feeling that way.

Would have loved to be in that LA courtroom on the first day.

Judge: What's next on the schedule?

Clerk: Vin Scully vs Sylvester Stallone.

Judge: Finding for the plaintiff. Have the defendant thrown in the stockade.

Clerk: I don't think we have a stockade anymore, your honor.

Judge: Have one constructed.

26 And phrased in the form of a question, too. Well done.

28 made me start laughing uncontrollably. Now my dog is looking at me really weird.

My workplace has had to cut off MySpace access temporarily because of a worm problem.

The public is not happy.

Guess who has to answer those emails.

31: Um, the flunkie you direct to do so, Boss?

The liberry has worms?

25 Look up del.icio.us.com and digg.com. Basically, the idea is that Google is too haphazard a way for people to find posts; that it's better if the writer and/or the reader recommends them by tagging them (which del.icio.us allows) or putting them up to the public for a vote (digg, and others like it). Facebook I can't explain, but the NY Times is using it too. I think it's kind of a myspace for slightly older people.

This story might seem obscure to most of us, but it seems like we're at a "something happening here...what it is ain't exactly clear" moment:

http://tinyurl.com/uvu7m

23 I've thought about it, but I have not received one request to place such a tag on our site, until just now. Many other things seem like more of a priority.

28 - LOL

31 - The worm?

23 34 Adding that type of metadata is a big topic in my parts.

33
Cockroaches too, but that's a different department.

35 That's probably because the people who already know about it wouldn't need the aid of a tag to find it. Plus most posts on the toaster are generally in the same categories. This would be more to bring new people into the tent.

Partly, I was struck by the lack of any toaster entries, esp. Dodger Thoughts, in the blog awards that are going on now. This is clearly one of the best sports sites, and one of the best community sites. So I thought maybe not enough blog-savvy types know about it yet.

But I'm content to keep things the way they are. I thought Bruce Springsteen was at his peak when he opened for Dr. John in 1974, so I'm happy to be a cult-fan. I'm just looking out for our boy Jon here. I want him and his family to get seriously wealthy.

39 Obviously we need to get you a bootleg of the 1978 Darkness tour.

Facebook and Myspace started within the past five years (facebook started in 2004, I know because I remember when it came to Duke it was a big deal) but the founders are already multi-multi millionaires. Someone offered to buy facebook.com for 700 million dollars and the owner, Jeff Zuckerberg, turned them down because he wanted a billion+. This is a guy who graduated from Harvard in the 2000s and he is turning down nearly three times as much money as A-Rod's contract. Crazy.

Here's something from the Chicago Sun-Times, October 11th, 1987. Pre-lawsuit, I guess:

"Sylvester Stallone is looking to sell his house in the Pacific Palisades area of Los Angeles for $4.9 million, reduced from $5.5 million when he listed it three weeks ago, and from $5 million when he took it off the market last November.

Stallone, who separated from his actress wife of 19 months, Brigitte Nielsen, in July, has owned the 11,000-square-foot house on 1.5 acres for 10 years. The gated and walled home has a screening room, gym, guest quarters and a barnlike structure for electric polo practice.

Producer-director Steven Spielberg has a house about half a block away that he bought for $7.5 million, then tore down and is building who-knows-what in its place. Sports announcer Vin Scully lives next door to Stallone, entertainers Goldie Hawn and Bill Cosby live nearby, and some vacant land a few blocks away just sold for $6.3 million."

RIP Peter Boyle, you were a quality Carl Lazlo

Does anyone know what electric polo is? Google is no help.

28 - LOL! Let that be a lesson to you Sly, you don't mess with Vinnie.:) Who else did Sly end up in court with, Chick Hearn? He would lose that one also.:)

From the last post, RIP Peter Boyle, thanks for the laughs from Young Frankenstein, The Candidate and of course as Frank Barone. That character reminded me of a combination of some of my relatives growing up.

44

Electric polo and Brigitte Nielsen .... makes sense.

40 I saw that show, too, in San Jose and it was great. His 1975 show in Oakland was great too. But back then, he was still playing large amounts of his first three albums. By the River and especially by Nebraska, he had started to leave the old Bruce behind. I still love him now, but I miss the wild and crazy Bruce that I first got into when nobody else knew who he was.

43

Boyle also won an EMMY for a wonderful guest appearance on an episode on "The X-Files".

(back when that show was still great)

44 Electric polo, like water polo, is extremely cruel to the horses.

(Hat tip to George Carlin.)

I went to see Where the Buffalo Roam in Westwood on opening night. One of the greatest disappointments in my movie-going life. Gawd, that movie is awful.

Found more:

"
Stallone to pay Scully for damage from flood

Saturday, May 11, 1985

SANTA MONICA, CA -- SANTA MONICA, Calif. (AP) - Actor Sylvester Stallone will have to pay neighbor Vin Scully, the Los Angeles Dodgers announcer, about $69,000 under a split-decision jury verdict for flood damage at Scully's home.

A jury ruled 9-to-3 this week that 65 per cent of the blame for $106,407 in damage should be borne by Stallone, who had the former owner relandscape a hill separating the two houses in 1978.

Scully, the voice of the baseball team for 35 years and an NBC sportscaster, was disappointed the jury found him 20 per cent responsible, but was ''delighted that it's over,'' said his lawyer, Daniel Cathcart.

Stallone, in Vancouver filming Rocky IV, was pleased because the judge earlier had dismissed Scully's claims for $7-million in punitive damages, said his personal lawyer, Jack Bloom, who did not participate in the trial."

41
If I may play the role of fact checker. His name is Mark Zuckerberg and he dropped out of Harvard. Otherwise your facts look good to me.

40-I agree with dzzrtRatt here. Springsteen was at his most electric, for me, on the cusp of stardom. Some of the energy, and a good deal of the humor, drained out of it thereafter. Listening to things like the widely bootlegged 1975 Bryn Mawr show, he sounds like the greatest performer on two legs: Bob Dylan, Van Morrison and Patti Smith packed into one person. To say he "fell off" thereafter (a highly subjective assessment and one I'll temper by saying--'fell off, not by much, to something conceivably mortal') is minor criticism indeed.

44- Is it a sort of cologne?

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Ralph_Lauren_Polo_Sport__Review_41244

I'll settle for being post-'75 Bruce, if I must ...

So Rangers get Gagne, Angels sign Oliver, Astros and Rockies make a trade and it looks like the Red Sox got their prize at a hefty price. Okay, caught up on the Hot Stove front.

Any word on if Brazoban is working on an off-speed pitch? He will not help us being a "one pitch" pitcher.

And for the ridiculous details (2-1/2 days of jury deliberation!), San Francisco Chronicle, May 9, 1985:

Santa Monica

Los Angeles Dodgers announcer Vin Scully emerged with a partial victory yesterday in a legal dispute with actor Sylvester Stallone over flooding at Scully's Pacific Palisades home.

A jury ended 2 1/2 days of deliberations with a split decision, finding that 65 percent of the blame for the flooding should be borne by Stallone, Scully's neighbor.

In its 9-to-3 decision, the minimum vote for a civil case verdict, the jury said that Scully was 20 percent responsible. It put 15 percent of the blame on Jack Strauss, the contractor who built a 5000-square-foot addition to Scully's home.

The jury set the damage at $106,407, to be paid proportionally by the parties' insurance companies, and absolved the former owners of the Stallone estate, John and Margaret Gray, of any blame.

Stallone's attorney, Jack Bloom, said Stallone is pleased because Superior Court Judge Leonard S. Wolf earlier had dismissed Scully's claims for $7 million in punitive damages.

On June 14, the parties will return to court to decide the wording of an injunction that Wolf will issue to order construction of a drainage system to alleviate the flooding problem. Each party wants the system on the other's property.

Testimony in the monthlong trial indicated that the problem about three blocks from where President Reagan used to live began in 1978 when the Stallones bought the 1 1/2-acre, $1.25 million estate on the hill adjacent to the Scullys' home.

The Stallones directed the Grays to change some landscaping work on the hill between the homes to remove most of the substantial ground cover and replace it with grass.

The Scullys say they started noticing runoff problems soon after that, and their home was flooded after a heavy rainstorm in 1980. The Grays' insurance company settled that problem.

On Nov. 9, 1982, another heavy storm flooded the first floor of the Scully home with four to six inches of water, according to testimony. That flooding was the focus of the trial.

51 - Wow, Vinny wanted to punish Rocky.

57 - Those 1980 rainstorms were hellacious. We had school canceled because of mudslides - half the students couldn't get there. One of the happiest memories of my life, I have to say.

Never mess with the people that seem the nicest.

Josh Rawitch is reporting that Alyssa Milano is a fan of huge Dodgers.

Or something like that.

53 I can see where you guys are coming from, and agree, to a certain extent. But in the early '70s his songwriting skills had not yet been fully developed; the performances were great, but how truly great can a performance be when it contains dreck like "The Angel"?

The Main Point show in Bryn Mawr is justly famous, but even so, it's still missing much of his best work (and contains only a half-written version of Thunder Road). I'll take the '78 Passaic show over that any day of the week.

After '75 the shows did become more scripted, but they were still more spontaneous and adventurous than anything anybody else was doing live, particularly the '78 tour. I think a lot of the change was due to the departure of David Sancious, who brought the free-form jazz mentality to the band that was really lacking in later years. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if he'd stayed in the band, much as Dodger fans wonder what would've happened if they hadn't lost Clemente.

61
She better not ruin Matt Kemp.

63 - I think she prefers pitchers.

Maybe she can convince Mark Hendrickson to run away with her. To some tropical island. Where his left arm will be bitten off by a killer shark.

64

AM: Stay away from Elbert and Kershaw.

(Gagne is free game.)

So who will end up giving birth to a bigger child: Lisa Leslie or Lindsay Davenport?

Should I start a contest on the Griddle?

67

Mia Hamm will have the biggest if you add the two kids together.

My wife is due in February, but our first was only six pounds so she's out of the contest already.

Vin versus Sly could be renamed Class versus Ass

69 - Clearly you haven't seen Tango and Cash.

#26, Ken, would a fight between Alex Trebeck and Mr. T involve a duel of library cards at 20 paces? My money would be on Timmermann; younger and I would imagine he has a longer reach.

Stan from Tacoma

How come Bob never says "I pity the fool!" anymore?

I always suspected that The A Team was Bob's favorite show.

The search for what "electric polo" is driving me mad. The only references I can find to it are 1) various descriptions of Stallone's house; 2) a then-Governor George W. Bush quote, comparing the speed his father plays golf to "electric polo;" 3) an Esquire article about then-President Bush from February, 1992, whose full text is not available; and 4) articles from old, blurred newspapers, so a search for "electric polo" turns up articles referring to electric poles.

I haven't read through all the comments, so maybe someone mentioned this -

I was at a Dodger game a couple of years ago, when Sly showed up (3rd inning, of course) in the dugout club seats. He got a big reaction, and the stadium people proceeded to put him on Diamond Vision with the Rocky theme playing. Huge ovation, and I remember thinking it strange that seeing Stallone in LA was such a big deal.

Anyway, Vin must have noticed, but class act that he is, I'm sure he bit his tongue.

62-Yeah, that's a good point actually about Sancious. The high point of that Bryn Mawr show for me is "New York City Serenade," which he's of course all over. But I think by '75 the lower-grade material was thoroughly gone from the set, and hearing the (not so much half-written as nearly-finished) "Wings For Wheels" from that show is thrilling, for me. I dunno: '78, '80 were fantastic tours, and there's a flat-out intensity to the '78 stuff (is Passaic the one that was booted as "Piece de Resistance?" First boot I ever got) that wasn't there before. But the spontaneity was the thing that got lost, and as someone whose interest in Springsteen positively plummets after Nebraska, it's truly something to miss.

So, does Hanscom AFB normally allow civilian general aviation ladnings, or is this the extreme version of the Mirabelli police escort?

http://tinyurl.com/bb7pb

74 I thought it was this:
http://tinyurl.com/yebde3

76 "(is Passaic the one that was booted as "Piece de Resistance?" First boot I ever got)"

Yep, that's the one.

"as someone whose interest in Springsteen positively plummets after Nebraska..."
...you should totally get a hold of some boots from the Tom Joad tour.

this thread reminds me of watching the local news several years back during "FLOODWATCH '(enter year here)", and being treated to an impromptu interview with larry hagman regarding how he had to go to burgess meredith's house to save him from the rising malibu creek.

75 August 5th, 2004, against the Pirates.

http://tinyurl.com/yf3uv8
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B08050LAN2004.htm

During my search, I came across this golden Stallone quote. Guess which one of his movies Stallone was filming at the time?

"There is a temptation to not wander too far from the nest of proven security. In this one, there's a tendency to just, say, every 11 minutes or so, put in some action-oriented scene that the film could live very nicely without. I am in a constant struggle with myself to avoid bastardizing the film, diluting its integrity."

Maybe electric polo is this:
http://www.ccdmc.com/images/Team%20Building/5-Golf-Cart-Polo-M.jpg

79-I'll take your advice, since I loved that '78 show about as well as I have anything ever. That section that included Not Fade Away>She's The One>Backstreets (I think) was especially satisfying.

81 Stop or My Mom Will Shoot?

Oscar?

84 85 Not a comedy, except in the unintentional sense.

Judge Dredd?

71 Ken, would a fight between Alex Trebeck and Mr. T involve a duel of library cards at 20 paces? My money would be on Timmermann; younger and I would imagine he has a longer reach.

Best comment/post of the offseason so far.

Actually, I bet Bob would school Alex Trebek at Jeopardy. As Jon Lovitz once pointed out, Trebek only looks smart because he has all the answers right in front of him.

81 - Antz

87 89 No. A follow-up quote:

As originally scripted, [Character Name] lost. Then Stallone wrote an alternative ending. The reason: "In `Rocky,' I go away losing, because no one really knew my image." If he'd lost this time, Stallone reasoned, it would "destroy the impact of the (film's) statement, which is about hard work paying off."

71 That's just too geeky.

Ooh, the Arm Wrestling one . . .

Um . . .

Is it Over the Top?

Just came across this article (by coincidence) on social news:

Battle Brewing Over 'Iconistan'
The strip of icons promoting social news sites at the bottom of blog posts seems fairly innocuous. But some think this slim slice of real estate is where the web's next great war for eyeballs will be waged. By Michael Calore.

[http://www.wired.com/news/technology/internet/0,72282-0.html?tw=wn_index_21]

Gotta be Over the Top

Drat, my Frau Blücher pun was a day too early. I love that seen with Boyle doin' the Ritz.

It's a credit to Mr. Scully, that I have a hard time imagining him mad. Not so much with Mr. Stallone.

Linkmeister, I was refering to the fact that some Rickenbackers had really short necks. Like I think 1 octave or less, I think some metal guys like 2 octaves, which is why I mentioned the Ovation Viper (put some old Dimarzio'a on and YUM). Plus the action is unbelievable. Had a Sunn Beta Lead amp, too. I'd give alot to have that back. Also, I like some of Krugman's stuff. I'm not an economics person really. I have a an old-not-so-close-anymore friend who is-- he's the kind of person that thinks he's open minded but isn't. For instance, he would demand that the data be re-verified a hundred times before he'd even thing to question his model. He also won't stand when they play the national anthem.

On the other hand, I'm clearly less of a person as I have never liked Springstein. I think'd I'd rather here Tiny Tim.

Steve would you rather have Dan Miceli than Hendrickson?

Sam beat me. His super fast fingers must have been energized by salt n vinegar chips today.

96 I did go back for a second diet coke in the mid-afternoon. :)

92 94 Bingo. The article (LA Times, Feb. 22, 1987) is comedy gold, capturing Stallone at his narcissistic peak. Being paid $12 million (1987 dollars) for Over the Top must do wonder for one's ego.

"This is a movie about a man who deserted his responsibilities," said Stallone, who explained that he's trying for "subtleties" in his performance.

"I'm working on one-tenth of the intensity that I usually go for," he said. "My character is so insecure that I let this kid run all over me. There are so many temptations to do a Wallace Beery, to go, `siddown and shuddup.' I don't. I let the kid abuse the hell out of me. And I do it for a very good reason - because I deserve it. I really do feel like I let him down."

19 NOT a sunk cost. My understanding is that the Red Sox would not have paid a dime had they failed to come to agreement with Matsuzaka. The only downside for the Sox not signing him was not getting him. The downside for Matsuzaka was substantial, in that he could not pitch in MLB until 2009, substantially reducing his value. Wonder if Boras ran some numbers on that. That's called leverage, and the more I thought about it, the more that waiting for the deadline was to the Red Sox's advantage, given how their alternative was far easier for them to stomach than Matsuzaka's.

The way this system works actually hurt Matsuzaka more than helped, as he would have been able to pocket more money as a true free agent. Instead, the Sox have to swallow $100 million to get a pitcher who is only paid $50 million.

The new Rocky movie is going to suck, btw. It just has "suck" written all over it.

wow, movie talk. I guess I picked the wrong day to read DT. :)

vr, Xei

I didn't really care for "The A Team" much. My mom had an argument with George Peppard once and forbade me from watching it.

This is way more attention than Sly deserves.

Sooooo...how 'bout that Pierre signing...anyone...Bueller?

It's Not a Tu-mor (or "How Dodgerthoughts Will Apparently Have D4P To Kick Around A Little Longer")

So, last Monday I began experiencing severe "flu-like symptoms," including fevers, a bad cough, weakness/fatigue, and breathing difficulties. The symptoms got worse until Sunday, when my wife took me to the doctor. My chest X-ray led to a diagnosis of pneumonia, with a related partially collapsed lung, and I was given various prescriptions. On Tuesday, we were notified that additional review of my X-ray had revealed a lump/mass/tumor in my lung, and that I needed to come in for a CatScan to provide more information on what the lump was. At best, they were predicting some sort of benign growth that could hopefully be removed via surgery. At worst, lung cancer. (My wife freaked out).

So I went in this afternoon for the CatScan, the results of which indicate that the mass is in fact NOT a tumor, but is rather a dense concentration of pneumonia-related gunk. I will remain on my medicine, and will go in to see a lung specialist next week to address the help my collapsed lung be not collapsed.

What happened to that prospect that got hit in the head in his first major league at-bat for the Cubs? Is he still in the Dodger minor league system?

What do you all think of Rick Ankiel? He hit 22 homers for the Cards AA squad and had a chance to make the big club before getting hurt. He has some cheap power potential.

104 That is both great news and a very funny headline.

106 Man heaves sigh of relief over lung scare.

Good Lord. Glad you're going to be okay.

103 Considering the info from 98 that Stallone got $12M for "Over The Top" in 1987, I'm beginning to think that $9M per for Juan Pierre isn't that bad!

104 - Big fat "whew!" Chalk up another future storyline for "House."

D4P - I had a joke all ready about you and women doctors, but I've decided not to go there. Be well.

Jeez D4P, I'm glad you're ok. Kinda puts my little troubles into perspective.

109
I still need to tell my brother about last night's "House."

Thanks all. Never seen "House," but I did note that the antics at the hospital where I spent time were nowhere near as zany as those on "Scrubs."

So, no doctors having sex on the bed next to you, or anything like that?

114
No good-looking ones, anyway...

Speaking of medical troubles, I have managed to hit the trifecta -- medical bills for my wife, orthodontist bills for my kids, and vet bills for my cat. I feel like I truly know what it is like to be married now.

6 years/52 million for Matsuzaka, topping out at 60 million? Sounds like Boras caved! Good to see Epstein winning in that game of chicken.

Seriously, Boras is an idiot. He went on and on about how Matsuzaka is worth 6/100 if he's a free agent, even though Matsuzaka is not a free agent.

I don't want to think about the money my Labrador has cost me.

I didn't start watching "House" until several friends recommended it after I spent months in and out of the hospital in early 2005. All the king's doctors and all the king's tests couldn't diagnose me (turns out that what I have is something notoriously tricky to diagnose). Needless to say, I took to "House" immediately. Besides loving the puzzle-solving aspect of it, and having been through most of the tests they've used in the show more than once, his character reminds me so much of my advisor in grad school that it's been my favorite show from the first time I watched.

D4P: I'm glad to hear you're going to be OK, and I highly recommend you start watching the show. Having been through the ringer, you'll appreciate the medical parts of the show more than you would have before. Go back to the start - it's gotten a little melodramatic lately with long story arcs - but the first two seasons are gold.

GOLD, JERRY!

118. How is the pooch, Marty? Back to full speed yet?

95 Ah, ok. I get it now. Mine's a model 360; it's got the full length neck.

D4P, that's scary stuff; I'm glad the results were negative on the malignity.

104
I feel you D4P. I was told if I do not get better in a week I have to go in for a cancer screening.

120 Not yet. He still needs help relieving himself. I'm afraid that may not come back, but I'm holding out hope. But, he's happy and he gets around pretty well though. I take him on 10 mile mountain hikes on the weekends and he doesn't want to stop. He also wrestles just as hard with the other dog as he used to. I've settled into a nice routine so it's not been too bad taking care of him.

122
Yuck. Cancer comes out of nowhere. It's like that song says:

"Cancer like a silence grows"

124. Oh, that ditty by Garmon and Sifunkel?

Hey D4P,

Glad to hear the good news. That can't have been a fun week for you and your family.

Be well,
Doug Minnick

I'm calling Munchausen's on D4P.

Holy crud D4P! Sherdog says CroCop chose UFC.

104 - Geez man, that is rough. I bet you feel pretty happy right now, even with the collapsed lung and fluid and everything. Good luck.

99 - By sunk cost I mean that any contract will include that 51 million. So a 4 year contract gets ~13 million a year added to whatever you pay Matsuzaka, but at 6 that goes down to less than a Pierre added on. On the other hand, I don't really get why Matsuzaka would go for the 6 year contract. I guess it provides safety in case he stinks or gets hurt, but if he went for a reasonable 4 years then he would be a free agent at 29 and could actually get that 100 million Boras wanted.

129 If I'm not mistaken, I think that Matsuzaka is subject to the same free agency rules as all MLBers (no free agency for 6 years), unless he would have insisted on a clause in his contract that Baez did.

Hideki Matsui also got a contract clause allowing him to be a free agent after 3 years in MLB. But H. Matsui also came over as a free agent and wasn't posted.

I wonder if my employer will post me.

129 Okay, but sunk cost is an economics term, meaning, in plain english, that you have already spent it, so you cannot make any present decisions based upon the money already spent. Colloquially, "don't throw good money after bad money". An example of this is how much money the Dodgers had already spent on Gagne's previous two years when deciding upon picking up (or not picking up) his option.

What I think you mean is fixed cost, where no matter what they pay him, the cost to the Sox is at least $51 M. The common parallel is what it costs to run your house: mortgage and property tax are fixed costs (you incur them no matter what), electricity and heat are variable costs (mothball your house and you won't spend that money).

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Fixed cost is far more accurate, and the contract would be described, from there, as the variable cost.

If Vinny had to sue somebody, I'm glad it was Stallone, an actor whose talents were best showcased in Woody Allen's `Bananas'(a
non-speaking role). Just my opinion...

Answer to thinkingblue from a couple of threads back: Check out the Fender Esquire Stratocasters; while they're not real Strats, their a well made, inexpensive guitar
with reasonable action (in other words, your fingers won't shred while shreding chords. Might want to check out Musician's Friend's catalog...

Hey, Bob T...ever see Sufferin Bruin posting anymore? Hope he's having a fine time at Locke High.

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He's at a different school now. He pops up from time to time. Like you.

Nationals make a good trade. Sam should fill us in on the 411!

Vidro traded to the Mariners for a couple of "prospects".

http://tinyurl.com/uou8s

I'll miss Vidro who had, ahem, a lot of heart, but fine of Mr. Bowden to get anything for him, even if it is a 25 year old OF prospect with like 45 surgeries under his belt and a well-regarded (but who's to see he'll keep it up) relief pitcher.

Hah, Nate was reading and typing as you posted yours.

D4P -- so happy for your, and sorry for the worry you must have gone through. Yick.

And very much hope you're feeling better soon trainwreck.

Thanks Sam.

Jon on Vidro, 7/6/05:

*After missing 54 games with an ankle injury suffered on a slide at home, Jose Vidro of Washington returned Tuesday - and had to slide at home.

"I tried to get my legs up, my knee up, so that I wouldn't get anything stuck out there," Vidro told The Associated Press. "But it was so exciting. You don't know how much this means to me. I almost cried. I'm not going to lie. I was so emotional. I love this game. I love to be out there, put my uniform on."

Hard not to like this guy after that...

Here's USS Mariner on the deal:

I guess we hope Vidro blows that physical like a horse in Enumclaw, because this is crazy."

USS Mariner link: http://tinyurl.com/ye74cz

The commenters there are acting like their GM just signed Juan Pierre to a 5 year, $45M contract.

Ooh Trainwreck, I missed your post. I hope it's nothing serious. Get better.

Thanks again to everyone for your support. I haven't yet heard from the ladies, but I guess that's to be expected...

You need to get out of Carolina. I blame the coal mines. Or the Tobacco farms. Or something.

Thanks, Marty.

Finally get to see Lakers on tv again.

Of course, it is right after they lose Odom.

Challenging and provocative analysis of the Vidro/Snelling/Fruto deal.

http://tinyurl.com/yk4jue

You need to get out of Carolina. I blame the coal mines. Or the Tobacco farms. Or something.

Yeah, we were blaming Carolina too. We were thinking maybe mold in our house or something. It's old and not well-maintained.

Sherdog says CroCop chose UFC

That's too bad. I guess we're in for 3 Crocop vs. Sylvia battles (with Crocop going 3-0), then who knows what after that.

rickenbacker guitars seem decent, if you like that shimmery kind of tone. what i really want to get someday though is a rickenbacker 4003 bass. those sound absolutely amazing. i don't even play bass and i want one.

[134] esquire? you mean the old 50s telecaster-looking guitar? or do you mean the "squier"? the first actual guitar i ever had was a fender squier strat, and it was TERRIBLE. i didn't know anything about guitars, but even i could tell it was just a lousy guitar. the electronics were bad, the tone was lousy, and i hated the bridge. so pretty soon i traded it in and upgraded to the epiphone and i was happy ever after. now i've got a gibson nighthawk and it's the best guitar i've ever played, outside of a brief moment i got to mess around with a vintage 1958 les paul special once.

Wow. The Beatles, guitars, Springsteen, and Stallone vs Scully. I think I picked a good day to write a paper instead of duke it out with everybody here...

D4P, I share your relief, and trainwreck, I hope for the best possible outcome for you.

We need more Festivus miracles.

Trainwreck - all my best wishes.

79 I knew where to get bootleg albums in 1975. I have no idea where to get bootleg CDs now. Where do you guys find them?

Actually, I do know this one store in Redondo Beach, Go Boy Records, that occasionally had them. They are closing in about two weeks.

Trainwreck, I totally missed that. All my best to the one Gaucho I don't despise right now (well, my sister too, I guess).

best of luck to all the people trying to get well. i was recently sick for about a month and a half myself, so i sympathize.

Go Boy is closing? That's too bad. That was my favorite record store when I lived in the South Bay.

Thanks everyone.

Dice-K
D-Mat
National Treasure
Fort Knox.

This guys hasn't even pitched an inning in the majors, and he has more nicknames than Michael Jordan.

Until future notice, I'm calling Matsuzaka "Fred"

If you ignore the posting fee, the Red Sox got their potential ace for less money than Gil Meche got.

163
per year.

I know it's public information, but I really wonder if Vin Scully would want his lawsuit against Rambo IV to be rehashed in the public again. What would Vin do (WWVD)?
vr, Xei

165
I don't think this is particularly scandalous or salacious. It's a rather mundane lawsuit.

Good luck D4P and trainwreck.

"Vindetta" is hilarious. I could listen to the mellifluous tones of Mr. Scully as he recites dry testimony regarding his waterlogged floors.

Employing Greg Brock's suggestion above, [162] below.

117 164 You can't ignore the posting fee. Boston's cost and therefore "Fred's" worth is $103.1 million over 6 years with a large frontloading. "Fred" may not get to pocket the posting fee (and Boras doesn't get a cut of it), but it is a measure of his worth, i.e. what Theo was willing to pay to get him. As a true free agent, I think "Fred"'s deal would be even bigger; instead of a posting fee upfront, more total dollars, including cheaper and later dollars, could be spread over the length of the contract. So maybe Boras underestimated (!) "Fred"'s open-market value.

I could listen to the mellifluous tones of Mr. Scully as he recites dry testimony regarding his waterlogged floors.
Vin would employ the phrase "I can't believe it" at least once, I'd think.

[167] but importantly, fred's posting fee doesn't count towards boston's luxury tax threshold.

It's a good deal for Boston. They pay 6/103 for Fred, get a better pitcher than Zito, and open up a whole new market for them in Japan. The posting fee doesn't hurt their luxury tax, they cut into the Yankees following in the Far East, and now have a rotation with Schilling, Beckett, Papelbon, Matsuzaka, and who cares.

Lot of strikeouts in that rotation. Yay Fred!

Dear God:

Please let "who cares" be equal to Mark Hendrickson or Brett Tomko.

Thank you,

D4P

169 170 Good points, and I agree that it is a good deal for Boston - probably. The fact that the posting fee is all up front makes the deal effectively more costly for Boston, by whatever they could have made by having that money actually spread over 6 years. (8.5 million invested today yields how much for year 6? etc.)

I think "who cares" = Wakefield, which is about a perfect description.

On the red sox deal, the problem is that they are paying 50 million upfront, current, 2006 dollars - there is no present value discount on that money. It doesn't help in a case like Pierre's where he doesn't deserve lunch money in 2062, but used for good rather than evil it can have its uses in discounting. I suspect that if you ran the numbers on a present value basis, this would be in the top contracts ever given out (without quibbling about who gets the money - the red sox have to write the check regardless). But in any case this was an extraordinarily expensive deal.

Take care of yourself D4P. Remember that walmart has that new $4 prescription program.

I apologize if this has been posted here before, but I ran across this new take on the "Dodger's Song" on Blue Heaven. It is definitely a hoot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvqO9q8yi-A

171 What are the odds that Ned can trick Theo into thinking he needs a lefty and that that man is the ex-basketball player?

What 172 said

Take care of yourself D4P. Remember that walmart has that new $4 prescription program.

Thanks. I will help further point 1 by not taking "advantage" of point 2.

D4P, Trainwreck....best wishes.

Do not forget Lester. He is scheduled to be ready for spring training.

176 - I like the orioles as a dark horse here. That seems like the kind of team that would fall for the American league east canard (see Baez, Danys - well, actually do yourself a favor and don't).

Well, D4P, even if you decide to pay the outrageously high prices of a walgreen's or CVS, my best to you.

And you as well trainwreck.

As 172 and 174 noted and as was noted in this forum earlier this month, having to pony up $51.1 million in one payment adds significant cost of the deal. Disappointing but not surprising that Gammons excluded this tidbit from his exultant review of the deal today. Still on balance I give the Red Sox credit for being bold and imaginative. I also believe that the Red Sox will offset the $51.1 million upfront expense by doing something creative with Seibu that is outside the purview of MLB.

I am still waiting for a story that explains why the Dodgers gave five years to Pierre. Understood that they liked him and were willing to overpay, but it remains untold how they allowed the negotiations to mushroom to that commitment.

We need to get these people well, so we can go back to our jaded selves.

but it remains untold how they allowed the negotiations to mushroom to that commitment

I've been waiting for such an explanation too, but it has seemingly been glossed over. Did Ned want 5 years, or was that Pierre's idea? Would he not have signed for fewer years? Did he have offers from other teams? Did Ned feel pressure? Who gave in and in what way? It didn't seem like the negotiation process was drawn out at all, so was there any give and take or did they reach agreement almost immediately?

There's no telling how much revenue this will mean for the Red Averages overseas. Hats, Jerseys, commemorative Fred bobbleheads. Maybe even a Mr. Sparkle Special Edition laundry box.

They'll make some money back.

[175] that was excellent. quality production.

185 - Colletti would very likely tell you a big long story about the present value of Pierre's fifth year. Then he will call my mother and congratulate her for all the money she "saved" at the Robinson's sale last week.

170

I think 170 has it right when you look at the overall benefit to the franchise. Taking away the posting fee for a second, the actual fee the Red Sox give Dmat works out to about 8.5 mill per year. If he meets or exceeds expectations in his frist 3 years,adding his arm to a solid rotation and still some top notch hitters the Red Sox would have a great chance to get to the Series and beat out the Yankees. A better bullpen will make them that much tougher.

As far as the 51 million posting fee, Dodger fans only have to remember Nomo mania with all of the Japanese media and I believe the first two seasons telecast back to Japan. Domestic cable and jersey sales weren't has developed, now with more ads on NESAN, a pipeline to high quality players in Asia, thinking of the 51 million has a marketing investment in the worth of the franchise-it is a great move.

189 - that last point (and therefore, the first as well) is excellent.

Maybe we can post Mark Hendrickson to the Serbian Professional Baseball League.

Or a Serbian basketball league.

What would they do with him?

174 - Interesting question. Fortunately, I have a calculator with an annuity bank.

I'm working with $51.1 million posting fee, $52 million over 6 salary, and a 5% interest rate.

If we take Matsuzaka's salary to be paid at the end of each month for 6 years in equal payments, then that will be $44.99 Million. Add $51.1 million now, and it works out to $96.1 million for a present discounted value.

Assuming that same interest rate and time period, that's $111.1 million, or $18.51 million per year over 6 years.

[192] i think the serbians are probably pretty good at basketball. he'd have a better shot at the baseball league.

194 -- Thank you. Please compare to the contract of Mr. Soriano and a hypothetical 103.1 million contract to Barry Zito, payable over 6 years.

194
Assuming that same interest rate and time period, that's $111.1 million, or $18.51 million per year over 6 years.

That is, that would be the contract of equivalent PDV assuming the same 5% interest rate. In case you're wondering, if the interest rate increases, the contract is higher, but if the interest rate decreases, the contract is lower.

196
PDV of Soriano's contract at i=5%: $112.4 million
PDV of 103.1 over 6 with Zito at i=5%: $89.2 million

But I'm calling 6 years, $120 million for Zito, so
PDV Zito at 6/$120m, i=5%: $103.8 million

178 - I guess #1 and #2 do go together.

152.

Yeah, they sound good, especially with chords, good for rhythem guitarists. But if you want to shred, or play heavy rock or metal you probably don't want to go for a rickenbaker IMO.

But I really like Rickenbacker basses, I know someone with one, and I've played it and it sounds good.

So I was just looking at the Dodger roster and noticed a kid named Zachary Hammes is on it. Several questions -- why is he on the roster? Why him and not some other minor leaguer? What does it mean if a minor leaguer is not on the roster? Maybe someone can point me to a roster primer.

Juan Pierre, then, is a little trickier because of the variable salary, but the PDV of his contract comes down to $38.8 million. Not as drastic an effect because 5 years is shorter than 6, obviously.

195
They are, but heck he made the NBA for awhile.

Best to you trainwreck, please...

122

D4P and Trainwreck, best wishes from me, too.

195 203 Maybe we can pull off that trade for Iverson afterall..?!?! I'm sure the Sixers could use Hendrickson in the middle and we can never have to many speedy guys at the top of the order..

If Iverson's shot selection is any indication, we'd be looking at about 32 walks in 750 plate appearances...

Just like Juan Pierre.

From Yahoo.com on Vidro trade

"The trade was agreed upon between the clubs Friday, but both sides needed Vidro's approval since he has a no-trade clause. Vidro was told by Seattle manager Mike Hargrove he would be a designated hitter and a backup at third, second and first base."

Well, the shoe has dropped but not ticket prices, per tomorrow's L.A. Times.

In season packages, baseline seats range from $60 to $150 (compared to $50 to $150 last season), field level seats from $30 to $70 (up from $22 to $60), loge seats from $20 to $55 (up from $16 to $45) and reserved seats from $8 to $20 (up from $8 to $16).

Pavilion seats remain $6. Top deck seats rose from $3 to $4.

http://tinyurl.com/yjeamm

"Colletti controls perhaps the most stacked Minor League system in baseball, and it must mean something to him. Other than the curious dealing of Joel Guzman for Julio Lugo,he's kept every big name."

It would seem Ken Gurnick has been mentioning the "curious" part a bit lately..

209- I don't mind a little extra to see guys like Jason Schmidt in a Dodgers uniform. Juan Pierre is a different story...

I don't mind a little extra to see guys like Jason Schmidt in a Dodgers uniform. Juan Pierre is a different story...

interesting point that we may be literally paying more to see Juan Pierre play....

201 The Neyer Transaction primer has pretty good info on what you are looking for.

http://tinyurl.com/buqrv

Read the stuff for the rule 5 draft to understand when and why a player needs to be on a 40 man roster.

That should have said "paying a little extra"

201 "So I was just looking at the Dodger roster and noticed a kid named Zachary Hammes is on it. Several questions -- why is he on the roster? Why him and not some other minor leaguer? What does it mean if a minor leaguer is not on the roster? Maybe someone can point me to a roster primer."

Hammes is a 6-foot-6 reliever who supposedly throws in the upper 90s. He's been in our system for 4 years, so we either had to put him on the 40-man roster or expose him to the Rule 5 draft, where he almost certainly would have been taken. His minor league career has been inconsistent at best, but I think the hope is that he can develop into the next in the Broxton/Meloan line of flamethrowing relievers.

This year BA rated him the 15th best prospect in the Hawaii Winter League, where he posted a 1.23 ERA with 18 Ks in 14 innings.

The fact that he's on the roster doesn't necessarily make him the best prospect in the world... it's just that guys like Elbert, DeWitt, and Kershaw haven't been in the system long enough to be exposed to the Rule 5 draft, which is why they're not on the 40-man even though they're better prospects than Hammes.

The hot stove season has concluded and DT posters devote an entire thread to Sly Stallone. . .Its official, we have reached the low point of the off-season.

My friend just sent me this. It turns out that 9/11 conspiracy theorist who spoke in my Sociology class last year was right.
http://tinyurl.com/uvarm

You must read the entire thing.

216 I prefer to look at it as us devoting an entire thread to Vin Scully.

217
I just scrolled till the end.

Ok that was pretty funny.

220
Certain spots.

218. Well when you put it that way, things are looking up around here.

Long as we're talking about Vin and his legal disputes, I can add that I have been before Judge Wolf many many times and he was a good judge.

217 I must have missed something. What happened on Sept 11th?

I admit, I don't follow much news.

223
I am resisting all temptation.

Dakota Fanning is 50 times more mature than I am. It shows in her acting.

217 - South Park had the best explanation this season.

223 September 11. It was a travel day with the Dodgers moving from a weekend series in New York to a Tuesday Cubs game in Wrigley.

As much as I dislike participating in the Sly posts, one thought I might share is the one I had about what kind of a neighbor Sly might be for a person like Vinnie to sue him for punitive damages to the tune of $7,000,000.

And to throw something in that is actually about the Dodgers, I think the Dodgers should now just wait until at least June before making a trade.

223 - I think that Larry's rabbi's cousin was hit by a bike messenger that day.

The Post's obit for Peter Boyle is headlined "Peter Boyle Put Ritz in Role as 'Raymond' Dad." Nice reference, but maybe trying a little too hard.

223 It's OK, we can forgive you for not being up on your Chilean history. But since Pinochet's death recently made headlines, now is as good a time as ever to catch up :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_coup_of_1973

Maybe Ned has tapped into something with his signing of players who "want" to play for the Dodgers:

Southern California sends so many of its prep players to the big leagues that eventually, in this era of free agency, that has to work in the favor of the Dodgers, Angels and Padres.

For sure, the Dodgers benefited this offseason...

But, then again, Southern California has its own appeal.

"Not just for guys from here, but for everybody," said Lieberthal. "San Diego was always a big place, and the Dodgers. The trips to (division rivals) San Francisco, Colorado and Arizona are all good places to play. People love playing in Dodger Stadium."

There is something to be said for Dodgers tradition, too, an intangible that two other free agent acquisitions, Luis Gonzalez and Jason Schmidt, referred to Wednesday...

Gonzalez nodded toward Tommy Lasorda during Wednesday's news conference and joked, "Tommy doesn't even have to give me the speech. I'm ready to bleed Dodger blue."

Schmidt grew up in Washington, but said, "I come from a Dodgers household and I married into a Dodgers household."

http://tinyurl.com/yxcdjb

Nice profile of Joel Hanrahan by a Nats blogger, with photos including a shot of Hanrahan pitching for the Suns for Nate.

http://tinyurl.com/yc299n

I realized my souvenir Dodgers/Panda Express calendar I received was cursed.

December has pictures of Greg Maddux and Eric Gagne.

January is JD Drew.

February is Brad Penny.

It's not a calendar! It's a cookbook!

234 LOL

Can somebody with Insider give me the lowdown on what Marc Stein says about the A.I. to Lakers rumors? Pretty please??

235
Stein didn't think it was likely since the Lakers don't need a player like Iverson.

Can someone explain why Iverson is considered "great"? For his career, he is a 42% shooter from the floor, including 31% from 3-point range. Oh: and he's a 78% free-throw shooter.

Why is it impressive to average 30 points a game if it take 25 shots to get there? Pretty much anyone in the league could do that, if their coach allowed them to...

236 Thank you very much, Mr. T.

Though, having A.I.'s firepower could help get through the next month without Odom.

237 - D4P meet the Wages of Wins. According to them K.G. is far and away the best basketball player of the past decade and A.I. is far and way the most overrated.

Here is a link to the blog:
http://dberri.wordpress.com/

238 Then they could play some Villanova style ball:

Vujacic
Iverson
Bryant
Walton
Brown

Here is a comment entirely about AI.
http://tinyurl.com/y44uop

240
Yeah, I was just looking at that. Interesting stuff.

243 - Extremely. A lot of people don't like Berri, but that just makes me think he is on to something. I have always thought that K.G. got shafted. Here is a guy who always scores 20+, leads the league in rebounds, doles out 4-6 assists, and more than a steal and a block a game, all with high percentages and reasonable turnovers. Basically, he is doing every thing possible to help his team win. But because somehow they weren't winning it was his fault. It reminds me of David Cross's rant about AD. (I paraphrase) Maybe when you have a show that can't attract an audience, but it's winning Emmy's and Golden Globes, the problem isn't the show, but the marketing.

244
Well, you can't feel too sorry for good players on bad teams. While they may be overlooked for MVP awards or not considered "winners," they still get paid primarily according to their own individual stats.

I like the general idea, though, of trying to shine the light on sports "myths".

245
Then we should send you the link to the Slate article on why John Wooden is evil.

246
Is the myth that Wooden is good or that he is evil?

247 Don't tell me you went to SC?

233

I hope the Dodgers find a way to re-acquire him. He looked really good on the 51's near the end of the season. Better than Stults and way better than Hull.

249 - Probably not going to happen. I hate that he never got much of a shot in the bigs and eventually just got given away. Good luck on the Nats, he might do very well in that park.

245 - I just don't like the idea of real accomplishment being overlooked in favor of wrongheaded traditional thinking. I don't like it when the Oscars awarded Crash, I hate it that "Grey's Anatomy" and reality shows trump "Veronica Mars" and "The Office", and I especially don't like it when my favorite teams signs Juan Pierre. So I wish that K.G. would get the props he deserves over A.I.

I just don't like the idea of real accomplishment being overlooked in favor of wrongheaded traditional thinking

I agree. I'm just saying that some degree of "props" is reflected in a player's salary. I'm sure most players would prefer big bucks with no props over props but lesser money.

252 - To be fair, it isn't a zero sum game. A.I. has probably made far more money than K.G. if anything. But I agree, I would be put in the stocks five days a week for enough money.

As long as Walmart is America's most popular store, crap like According to Jim, Becker, and America's Dumbest Dumb-dumbs will continue to keep the Arrested Developments of the world off the air.

D4P
I emailed you the link to the Slate article.

I bet John Wooden would like to shop at Walmart!

Lets see Bonds hit under 21 HRs this year and make the Giants out bid themselves for him, again in 2008.

I love it.

Almost as much as I love the Blue Crew this year.

255
Thanks. Not sure what to make of it, in that I don't know enough about Wooden to have my own opinion.

215 Thanks, Eric. Seems like the Dodgers will lose space to keep players like Hammes on the roster as they accummulate more talent in the minors. I remember at this time last year we were worrying about this. Anyone know the current state of our system well enough to know if we will be having Rule-5 problems in the coming year?

257 It's okay. I'll let you borrow my opinion. Make sure I get it back at some point.

215 Thanks, Eric. Seems like the Dodgers will lose space to keep players like Hammes on the roster as they accummulate more talent in the minors. I remember at this time last year we were worrying about this. Anyone know the current state of our system well enough to know if we will be having Rule-5 problems in the coming year?

259
All right: what is it?

Remember, beggars can't be choosers.

D4P, ask Greg about his opinion of Pete Carroll. It's about the same as Lasorda's opinion of Kingman's performance.

beggars can't be choosers

Only at Walmart

I can elaborate later, but I was not impressed with the article.

To say the least.

Does anyone really want to see "the dunkshot" eliminated? For that matter, does anyonre really want to call it "the dunkshot"?

anyone want to take my business statistics final for me?

267
No thanks, women's billiards is coming up on ESPN2.

come on d4p, its on your favorite stuff.

you know, regression, variance, chi-square analysis type stuff.

hopefully 2 hours is long enough of time to learn a 1/3 semesters worth of material :)

I just don't like the idea of real accomplishment being overlooked in favor of wrongheaded traditional thinking

I strongly disagree.

So much so I imagined A.I. at a press conference repeating over and over, "We talkin' 'bout Oscars?"

Movies are, when it comes down to it, just entertainment. Some people make movies with the sole object of having the most people that year come to see the movie they are making. Some make movies with the intent no one but themself will ever see it. Some movie makers target people just like you to make you a disciple and evangelist for their movie. Others target the people you least like to be their discipes and evangilists.

It's just taste.

That is why I don't think there are any 'real accomplishments' in the world of movies and tv. Placing value judgments like what is a "real accomplishment" in the realm of entertainment and what is "wrongheaded traditional thinking" in entertainment is akin to going to an ice cream parlor and saying Baskin Robbins is a "wrong headed traditional thinking" ice cream parlor for carrying vanilla. It is just ice cream! It is supposed to taste good on your tongue (some get bored of it, some don't) as tv and movies are supposed to appeal to your eyes and ears ( and in limited attempts smell). Yes, tv and movies do more than just entertain. They can inform, educate and alot of other razzmataz. Other things usually do better (like a lot of other food items probably