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Unsung Hero of 4+1 Game Returns to L.A.
2007-01-22 17:04
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Rudy Seanez, the oft-injured, long-ago Dodger who allowed Nomar Garciaparra's game-winning home run in September's 4+1 game, signed a minor-league contract with the Dodgers today that guarantees him a minimum of $700,000 if he makes the big club, reports Steve Henson of the Times.

Now 38, Seanez has averaged more than a strikeout per inning in his career, but has always struggled to find the strike zone and to stay healthy. As with last week's singing of Chin-Hui Tsao, it's a matter of throwing cheap darts and hoping one hits a nice target - and sticks. It's both the reason last year's Joe Beimel signing worked and why Beimel shouldn't be considered essential for this year's pen. Remember: relief pitchers are almost by definition unreliable.

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2007-01-22 17:19:27
1.   bhsportsguy
Don't forget that Meloan is coming to camp too.
2007-01-22 17:28:11
2.   Jon Weisman
Right - although he fits under a different category - you don't even have to throw that dart ... he's just there.
2007-01-22 17:30:52
3.   Robert Daeley
According to the LA Times story, they're also looking at lefty Joey Eischen.
2007-01-22 17:40:29
4.   Sam DC
I'm having a hard time seeing Mad Dog as a character guy.

He was not a bad LOOGY for the Nationals, but Frank would bring him in as a loogy and, if he got the out, figure he was on a role and leave him until forced (generally by the donation of multiple runs to the other team) to remove him. Frank loved Eischen's wild and crazy (and tough) guy shtick.

2007-01-22 17:40:38
5.   D4P
Ugh. Now we have to listen to Steiner go on and on about the correct pronunciation of "Seanez."
2007-01-22 17:49:41
6.   Sam DC
on a roll . . .
2007-01-22 17:50:57
7.   das411
Whatever happened to that Wunsch fellow?
2007-01-22 17:54:59
8.   Gen3Blue
"relief pitchers are almost by definition unreliable."

Add "middle" to that clause and you may remove the "almost". Some closers can rarely be reliable for perhaps one more year, but anyone who trades anything of value for a "middle reliever" is surely voiding into the wind, or worse, getting a Baez! I have tried to avoid unsavory expression as much as possible.

2007-01-22 17:55:16
9.   Bob Timmermann
You mean Seañez?

I don't think Rudy has ever asked for a ~ on his uniform. I never knew until last year that it was Minnie Miñoso.

But I think the topic of name pronunciations might be a candidate for rule #11.

2007-01-22 18:01:05
10.   D4P
Yes, I mean "Seañez."

One can only hope we don't acquire an "Encarnacion."

the topic of name pronunciations might be a candidate for rule #11

Nah, that's name spellings.

2007-01-22 18:02:13
11.   Bob Timmermann
The spelling issue was a byproduct of a pronunciation issue.

The only name that needs to be spelled correctly is mine.

2007-01-22 18:06:25
12.   Jon Weisman
Rule #11 is the implicit CUI rule.

Rule #12 is open.

2007-01-22 18:10:06
13.   D4P
I'm assuming the DT rules also apply at SJ...
2007-01-22 18:10:34
14.   Uncle Miltie
Seanez is a decent pickup and it's only a minor league deal. At 38, he might be done. A few years ago, he was one of the best relief pitchers in baseball. He's extremely injury prone.

Bumsrap- I didn't consider Oregon State. The town is far too small for me. I've heard from a friend who goes there that the social scene is dominated by Greek life. Apparently, it's a nice school, but I don't think it would have been a good fit for me. I just didn't feel that would be worth it to pay the out of state tuition for Oregon State. If I was an engineering major, that would be a different story.

2007-01-22 18:11:22
15.   Robert Daeley
Which one is the one about regurgitation?
2007-01-22 18:19:39
16.   Uncle Miltie
If both Tsao and Seanez pitch well in spring training, how likely is it that Brett Tomko will be released?
2007-01-22 18:21:21
17.   D4P
Oregon > Oregon State
2007-01-22 18:40:39
18.   Uncle Miltie
Oregon > Oregon State
That's a subtle way of putting it.

Unlike Chin-Hui Tsao, I will not choose a team (school) based on the color of their uniforms. If I did, UO would blow the other schools I'm applying to out of the water.

Eventually, it might come down to UofA and UO. Right now, I'd give a slight edge to UO.

I really don't like the new AP ratings that came out today. Texas A & M is being severely underrated. Duke is one of the most overrated teams in college basketball. They beat two very mediocre teams in Wake Forest and NC State, yet they moved up 4 (?) spots in the rankings. I don't know how I feel about Wisconsin being ranked 2nd. I guess they deserve it because they beat Ohio State and Pitt and are also undefeated in conference play. What really matters is where they are ranked at the end of the year, and that won't be ahead of UCLA. Oklahoma State is in a much tougher conference than Alabama. Bama just lost to Vanderbilt, so there's no reason why they should be ranked ahead of Oklahoma State. Oklahoma State has had one of the toughest schedules in the country so far.

2007-01-22 18:44:36
19.   trainwreck
No one who votes in the polls ever bothers to check RPI. They just base everything off their old assumptions.
2007-01-22 18:48:04
20.   Bob Timmermann
18
Somebody really likes green and really hates orange.

You're not Irish are you?

2007-01-22 18:49:25
21.   D4P
18
From what you said earlier, I gather you didn't make it to a Duck basketball game...
2007-01-22 18:53:09
22.   Bob Timmermann
Arizona is still #3 in the RPI.

But seventh in the Pac-10 standings.

2007-01-22 18:56:02
23.   trainwreck
Long live the Pac-10 dominance.
2007-01-22 18:59:42
24.   trainwreck
I guess the Raiders taking Lane Kiffin away from USC hurts the Trojans. What do Trojans fans think?
2007-01-22 19:01:09
25.   Uncle Miltie
Somebody really likes green and really hates orange.
Green is one of my favorite colors.

Oregon State's colors = black and orange

Those are not Dodger friendly colors

You're not Irish are you?
No, but I do like Saint Patrick's Day.

2007-01-22 19:02:51
26.   Uncle Miltie
From what you said earlier, I gather you didn't make it to a Duck basketball game...
They were sold out and I was in Portland on Saturday night.
2007-01-22 19:06:36
27.   Bob Timmermann
I'm part Irish and I try to stay off the streets on St. Patrick's Day.
2007-01-22 19:09:40
28.   Eric Stephen
I guess the Raiders taking Lane Kiffin away from USC hurts the Trojans. What do Trojans fans think?

It's not the same as losing Norm Chow, but it will hurt a little bit. My guess is Steve Sarkisian officially takes the reigns as Offensive Coordinator (not just QB coach). It will be interesting next year for the offense, with Patrick Turner as the #1 WR and a bunch of younguns behind him, to go along with a still-young RB group.

2007-01-22 19:18:24
29.   Bob Timmermann
The USC fans I know will likely be celebrating Kiffin's departure. USC's offense was good in spite of Kiffin not because of him.

Kiffin, of course, is best known for making all of those wonderful adjustments to the USC offense against UCLA.

"Hey, let's try running CJ Gable. Oh, that didn't work. Let's try it again. Still didn't work. OK, I'm stumped!"

2007-01-22 19:23:59
30.   Eric Stephen
Kiffin still takes heat for the 4th & 2 "run LenDale into the line" call in the 2006 Rose Bowl against Texas. I never thought it was such a bad call. I liked the call (White was adept at "power running" in short yardage), but maybe they should have had Reggie Bush on the field at least as a decoy.
2007-01-22 19:32:14
31.   Bob Timmermann
A friend of mine has a list of indictments against Kiffin that would take two hours to read aloud.
2007-01-22 19:33:29
32.   Gen3Blue
I grew up in a New England town where kids wore either green or orange on St. Patties day. Thats about one millimeter from Shites and Sunnis beating each other to death over some stupid superstition.
Looking at at Dewitts stats and the fact that he could be considered a man without a position, he must have impressed some scouts with some raw talent and tools. Does anyone know why he is so well thought of.
I really am curious, although I felt I should add something "baseball" after venturing so close to politics or worse rel.
2007-01-22 19:36:11
33.   Eric Stephen
I remember yelling numerous times at the TV during the USC-UCLA game, imploring the Trojans to attempt a forward pass to Dwayne Jarrett or Steve Smith, as the Wing T or Wishbone strategy seemed to falter.
2007-01-22 19:37:40
34.   trainwreck
Aside from giving Kiffin credit for this past Rose Bowl, most USC fans seem to really dislike Kiffin. The real issue is whether this is because they have extremely high expectations or what they say is really true. As a Raider fan I am less than thrilled, but at least he is not a retread.
2007-01-22 19:38:05
35.   twerp
And the survey says...

A Harris poll finds the NFL the favorite sport of almost as many people as the combined total of the next 3 sports..

NFL 29%

Baseball 14%
Auto Racing 9%
NBA 7%

College football checked in as the country's third fave sport at 13%.

2007-01-22 19:39:11
36.   D4P
Auto Racing 9%
NBA 7%

Ouch.

2007-01-22 19:42:18
37.   Bob Timmermann
I wonder why the poll says "Auto Racing" instead of just NASCAR. I would think the percentage of people who find open wheel racing to be their favorite sport to be fairly small.
2007-01-22 19:42:32
38.   Greg Brock
36 From the East Coast, to the West Coast...
2007-01-22 19:48:27
39.   Bob Timmermann
Although football pulled ahead of baseball in terms of popularity nearly 40 years ago, baseball's cause hasn't been helped the past few years by having its premiere events being televised by Fox, the network that hates baseball.

Yet, wants it all for itself.

2007-01-22 19:50:50
40.   trainwreck
Just wait till Beckham-mania hits!

MLS might get 0.1% then!

2007-01-22 19:54:12
41.   D4P
MLB is lucky Eckstein-ania has already hit, as he's undoubtedly worth a few % points by himself.
2007-01-22 19:56:34
42.   Bob Timmermann
Soccer was at 2%

http://tinyurl.com/yt9xjm

2007-01-22 19:57:50
43.   Bob Timmermann
When David Eckstein passes away, D4P and Greg Brock will go dance on his grave I fear.

Perhaps he will end up in the same cemetery as Frank Robinson, so we can have a cotillion.

2007-01-22 19:58:29
44.   Marty
I don't think USC will miss Kiffin. I know I won't.
2007-01-22 20:00:11
45.   D4P
One day we'll dance on their graves
One day we'll sing our freedom
One day we'll laugh in our joy
And we'll dance
2007-01-22 20:05:08
46.   D4P
I'm going to bed early tonight, as I have to get up early tomorrow. I'm going in for what I hope will be my final chest x-ray and consultation with the pulmonary specialist.
2007-01-22 20:06:25
47.   Greg Brock
43 I'll dance at his retirement. Not at his death.

Plus, hobbits live like a way long time.

2007-01-22 20:06:34
48.   Bob Timmermann
Go do that. A coworker of mine passed away from pneumonia last week.
2007-01-22 20:06:52
49.   Greg Brock
46 Good luck. Keep us posted.
2007-01-22 20:12:06
50.   Bob Timmermann
But does Jon have to go to bed early tonight so he can be up at 5:00 am tomorrow for the Oscar nominations.

I'm sleeping in tomorrow.

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2007-01-22 20:14:22
51.   trainwreck
Good luck D4P.
2007-01-22 20:33:07
52.   twerp
Yes, D4P, best wishes.
2007-01-22 20:35:07
53.   Jon Weisman
50 - I have to write 500 words on the adapted screenplay nominations, but I don't have an early deadline.

On the other hand, my son could wake up that early anyway, even though his interest in the nominations is minute.

All the best, D4P.

2007-01-22 20:39:00
54.   Bob Timmermann
Events that transpire at 5:30 am can't have that early of a deadline.
2007-01-22 20:47:22
55.   Bob Timmermann
Mary Carillo, presuming that her mike was off on ESPN, just said, "I assume that I'm getting fired after this is over."

I'm not sure why she said that.

2007-01-22 21:18:09
56.   LAT
For me, tennis falls somewhere between curling and cricket but that match between Serena and Shahar Peer was really really exciting.
2007-01-22 21:19:19
57.   twerp
37 My reference to the Harris poll came from the Tennessean, NASCAR country. So no matter the actual poll wording, the writer probably thought "auto racing"="NASCAR"...

I think there have been a couple Indy races at Nashville Superspeedway. Indy style racing might make a dent in NASCAR after, say, 3-400 years.

I couldn't have helped any kind of auto racing. I R not a racing fan.

2007-01-22 21:20:36
58.   arnold
D4P Good Luck and Go Ducks and Dodgers.
2007-01-22 21:31:44
59.   Bumsrap
Oregon State = NCAA Baseball champs.

Corvalis = beautiful

Eugene = litigious

The Frats at OSU garantee someone will be running down the street in their underware during hell week. The trick is to not get hit with what they would have been drinking before they began the run. But that was before the university cracked down and got rid of the animal houses.

2007-01-22 21:58:51
60.   Bob Timmermann
I believe the Washington schools are the only Pac-10 schools not yet represented on Dodger Thoughts.
2007-01-22 22:06:10
61.   Greg Brock
Grandma Brock went to Washington State.

She's not much into Dodger Thoughts. Or the greater tube system, for that matter.

2007-01-22 22:23:19
62.   Uncle Miltie
I believe the Washington schools are the only Pac-10 schools not yet represented on Dodger Thoughts.
ASU?

Good luck D4P

The Frats at OSU garantee someone will be running down the street in their underware during hell week.
Is that a good thing? Frat parties are fun at first, but they get old fast.

So why do you hate Eugene so much? I thought it was a pretty nice town.

2007-01-22 22:25:28
63.   Greg Brock
We have an A-State fan. Godvls is an A-State guy.
2007-01-22 22:30:32
64.   Bob Timmermann
Maybe Tom Niedenfuer will show up here sometime to stick up for the Cougs.
2007-01-22 22:33:12
65.   Uncle Miltie
We have an A-State fan. Godvls is an A-State guy.
Fan or alumnus? Shouldn't only those who attend(ed) the school count?
2007-01-22 22:34:22
66.   Bob Timmermann
Godvis is an alum of ASU. He had bona fides.
2007-01-22 22:34:59
67.   Greg Brock
For SamDC: Hilarious Questions Teens Ask:

Mr. Brock, If the Russians were all White guys, how did they know who was in the Red Guard an who was on the White side?

Seriously...How awesome is that?

2007-01-22 22:39:38
68.   Greg Brock
Also, when I explained that "Stalin" was not his real name, but means "Man of Steel," one of my kids asked "You mean like Superman?"

Er, yeah, I guess...

2007-01-22 23:02:29
69.   trainwreck
Who wouldn't wanna support Superman.
2007-01-22 23:06:48
70.   gpellamjr
68 I still contend that Superman, like all DC Comics, is communist propaganda.
2007-01-22 23:14:27
71.   Greg Brock
70 I felt the same way when I found out that Superman's original motto was "Truth, Justice, and the equitable distribution of property and the destruction of bourgeois ethics and the restoration of worker's rights."

It's got a nice ring to it.

2007-01-22 23:58:12
72.   Travis
35 Isn't that poll a little biased by the fact that it was conducted in mid-December, right before the NFL playoffs and college bowl season? I would imagine a poll conducted in early April would yield somewhat different results, particularly w/r/t baseball and college basketball.
2007-01-23 06:18:52
73.   Bumsrap
62 So why do you hate Eugene so much? I thought it was a pretty nice town.

I don't hate Eugene in the same way I try to not hate anything.

Once you get used to the trees, rivers, and overall beauty of Oregon then you can start to notice the things that substract from some places. Eugene has that road that is like a highway running through a village. It just doesn't belong there. Then there is that Eugene Springfield metro area that gives off a feelling of crowdedness.

Eugene does have culture. Lots of theater, art, attorneys, etc. I like UofO's helmets but not their jerseys. You can either date a duck at uo or a beaver at osu.

Corvalis is off by itself surrounded by rolling hills, rivers, major technology companies, and a cozy town that is a college town. It has a beautiful campus with lots of brick buildings.

Eugene is like Tuscan. A second city too far from the heart of the state. You said you liked Seattle but not Portland. Seattle is more exciting than Portland but get on I5 in rush hour and you will sit. I5 in Seattle is a parking lot at 8 and 5.

Spend a Thursday, Friday or Saturday night in the heart of Portland and you will have fun.

2007-01-23 06:27:20
74.   Bumsrap
I represent Cal Poly, Pomona but other than their Rose Parade float entry, there is nothing visible to cheer for. I started at UCR and had all but transferred to UCLA but I met Berkley guys, liked their major but it was not offered at UCLA and it was at Cal Poly.

I have a son that graduated from Oregon State and another son that graduated from Arizona State and another that is inching closer and closer to graduating from ASU.

So, one way or another I am representing ASU, OSU, Cal Poly and rooting for the Pac 10 team that has the best chance to be ranked the highest nationally.

2007-01-23 06:53:11
75.   Vishal
good luck d4p!
2007-01-23 07:35:06
76.   Sam DC
Hah, Greg that is pretty good. Let me know when you get to WWI.

"Well, at least we're not going to mix them up with those guys with the black hands."

2007-01-23 07:35:29
77.   Sam DC
I'm sappy enough to like this:

http://tinyurl.com/28en5s

But I realize most people aren't.

2007-01-23 08:15:32
78.   Sam DC
It would take me 500 words just to explain why Borat is an "Adapted Screenplay".
2007-01-23 08:42:54
79.   madmac
73 "Then there is that Eugene Springfield metro area that gives off a feelling of crowdedness."

Wow, having grown up in Springfield I never thought I would see the Eugene/Springfield area described that way. Granted, there have been a lot of changes, but still. I guess it's really all a matter of opinion. Since you had a son graduate from OSU, I understand your bias. It took moving to California to really appreciate what I had in Oregon. Grass is always "greener".

2007-01-23 08:59:58
80.   Bumsrap
79
I grew up in Southern California and then moved to Oregon. Outside of Portland everything becomes crowded only by comparison. Eugene to me felt crowded for Oregon and especially in comparison to Corvalis or even Salem for that matter. I lived 15 miles east of Salem off the highway that leads to Detroit Lake, Sisters, and Bend.
2007-01-23 09:03:15
81.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
ASU?

You rang?

2007-01-23 09:38:14
82.   Jon Weisman
FYI: Several new posts at Screen Jam, including an open chat on the Oscar nominations.
2007-01-23 10:25:56
83.   StolenMonkey86
From fun mailbags, Baltimore Orioles edition:

Why is Corey Patterson hitting sixth or seventh when he was in the top 10 in steals? He should be hitting first.
-- Brian H., Columbia, Md.

And somewhere, a sabermetrician is screaming at his screen. . . .

2007-01-23 10:30:55
84.   D4P
having grown up in Springfield

My condolences...

Thanks to all for your well wishes. I just returned from spending a total of 2.5 hours at the hospital, which consisted of a 5-minute x-ray, 5-minute chat with the doctor, and 2.33 hours of waiting.

But I guess it was worth the wait, as I am apparently very close to 100% healthy now. The radiologist still needs to review my x-ray, so there is a slight chance I'll have to go back, but the doctor wasn't expecting that to happen.

I must say: hospitals are not very fun places to spend time.

2007-01-23 10:35:57
85.   Jacob L
Re ASU - isn't that where Nate P. goes, or is that UofA?

RE Wazzu - doesnt' Mark Hendrickson post here?

Can someone explain to me the difference between UofA and ASU? I gather that its not like UC and CSU where the former is more research oriented and has tougher admissions. If the two Arizona schools are chartered any differently, its not visible to the naked eye. My brother went to UA and I don't think he knows the difference.

2007-01-23 10:37:22
86.   Jacob L
Oh and, of course good luck D4P. I can definitely second that on hospitals.
2007-01-23 10:47:56
87.   Penarol1916
85. I can't say for sure, but my guess is that the difference is similar to the difference between Oregon and OSU, UW and Wazzu, New Mexico and New Mexico State and Texas and Texas A&M. The State and A&M schools are the land grant Universities. They tend to focus more on the practical arts, they all have strong Agricultural Schools and Engineering programs, while the other schools are the flagship Liberal Arts research schools. In California, UC Davis is like a State, while Berkeley and UCLA are the other.
2007-01-23 11:20:19
88.   Steve
That would be more posting than he ever did in the NBA.
2007-01-23 11:23:35
89.   D4P
87
Oregon State used to be referred to by non-Beavers as "Cow College," and Corvallis as "Cow Valley." I'm pretty sure OSU's official name was also once "Oregon Agricultural College."
2007-01-23 11:24:22
90.   Bob Timmermann
Actually UofA is the land grant college. ASU is not.

ASU, like UCLA, started as a normal school, and then morphed into a full research university.

UofA and ASU have the same governing body, the Arizona Board of Regents. Northern Arizona is part of that group as well.

2007-01-23 11:26:42
91.   Bob Timmermann
On the Oregon State University website:

The Oregon Legislative Assembly, through the efforts of W. W. Moreland, a member of the Corvallis College faculty, "designated and adopted" Corvallis College on October 27 "as the Agricultural College of the State of Oregon" and the recipient of land grant fund income derived from the sale of 90,000 acres in southeast Oregon. The Corvallis College Board of Trustees accepted the designation on October 31. Permanent adoption of Corvallis College as the state's agricultural college came in 1870.

2007-01-23 11:29:59
92.   D4P
W. W. Moreland

Any relation to Cubs' outfielder "Keith" of the same surname...?

2007-01-23 11:33:40
93.   Bob Timmermann
I'm not here to play "Six Degrees of Keith Moreland."
2007-01-23 11:33:56
94.   Andrew Shimmin
84- What a relief. You have no idea how much less fun it is to tell someone to drop dead if, you know, there's a good chance. . .
2007-01-23 11:36:51
95.   Bob Timmermann
At my workplace, since someone has passed away recently, I've gone to describing quiet times as "It hasn't been busy" instead if "It's dead out there."
2007-01-23 11:48:44
96.   Bob Timmermann
Sadly, this famous play from the Oregon State playbook is illegal now:

http://tinyurl.com/323tdu

2007-01-23 11:49:54
97.   D4P
94
Thank you for your support.
2007-01-23 11:53:45
98.   Sam DC
84: Woot!! (or at least I think that's what the cool kids say on the Internets).
2007-01-23 11:58:12
99.   D4P
Join Dodgers broadcaster Charley Steiner in a live Web chat today at 2:00 p.m. PT. The former SportsCenter anchor joined the Dodgers in 2005 and the broadcast team of Steiner, Vin Scully and Rick Monday were named as Major League Baseball's best, based on a technical rating, a fan rating and an entertainment rating.

That's kind of like saying "Steiner, Bill Gates, and Rick Monday are the wealthiest trio in the world."

2007-01-23 12:01:44
100.   Greg Brock
In honor of D4P's excellent news:

The Literal Doctor: I'm sorry, but I'm afraid there's nothing more that I can do.
[everyone gasps]
Michael: Let him keep talking.
The Literal Doctor: Because Dr. Stein has been assigned to your case

Why do we keep getting this guy???

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2007-01-23 12:03:16
101.   madmac
So D4P, forgive me if it's already been mentioned, where are you from or what is your affiliation to Oregon? I assume that since you offered condolences you must have expert knowledge of that particular region.
2007-01-23 12:03:17
102.   Bob Timmermann
At least we know he's going to be all right.
2007-01-23 12:06:43
103.   Bob Timmermann
I haven't been in Oregon since I was 7.

My parents took me to the Harry and David plant. And we saw cheese being made somewhere else. My dad really liked that.

2007-01-23 12:13:54
104.   Greg Brock
102 It just looks like he's dead. He's got like blue paint on him or something. But he's going to be fine.

He's a very literal man.

2007-01-23 12:14:05
105.   D4P
101
I lived in Eugene from the age of 1 until the age of 29. Thus, my sentiments about Springtucky... ;-)

103
I haven't been in Oregon since I was 7

Waaahhh...?

2007-01-23 12:20:28
106.   madmac
Ok D4P one more question. When and where did you graduate. Wonder if our paths might have ever crossed.

Oh yeah, since your not a Beaver, I'm glad you're not dead.

2007-01-23 12:22:58
107.   D4P
When and where did you graduate

If you mean high school, the answer is Sheldon 1992.

2007-01-23 12:23:46
108.   Jason in Canada
99

Actually those Walton kids are the wealthiest trio in the world. Makes you realize that if Sam Walton were still alive he'd be much wealthier than Bill Gates. Kind of scary heh?

2007-01-23 12:27:51
109.   Bob Timmermann
108
But Luke Walton was the only one of Bill's kids to make it to the NBA!
2007-01-23 12:29:47
110.   Penarol1916
103. I can beat you, it is the only state in the union that I have never visited.
2007-01-23 12:32:00
111.   madmac
107 yes highschool. We moved to CA when I was 16, but I would have graduated from Springfield in 89 had we stayed. Had a lot of friends who went to Sheldon.
2007-01-23 12:33:46
112.   Andrew Shimmin
Gates is richer than any three Walton heirs put together, according to Forbes. But not richer than Buffet, Sheldon Adleson, and Larry Ellison, put together.

http://tinyurl.com/znq6e

2007-01-23 12:33:49
113.   Penarol1916
108. And also the children of his brother are also very high on the Forbes 400 list, that's how Stan Kroenke was able to to buy the Denver Nuggest and Avalanche and a stake in the St. Louis Rams and why the University of Missouri's new basketball arena was temporarily named after a girl attending USC until she was kicked out of school for paying her roommate to do her homework.
2007-01-23 12:34:43
114.   Andrew Shimmin
Buffett. I've got the RF Pavilion on my mind.
2007-01-23 12:40:54
115.   D4P
if Sam Walton were still alive

Sam Walton is dead to me.

it is the only state in the union that I have never visited

That's funny. Poor Oregon. It always gets the shaft.

Had a lot of friends who went to Sheldon

I had one friend from Springfield, a guy by the name of Ryan Moore who graduated in 93.

2007-01-23 12:44:33
116.   Bob Timmermann
My family went on a vacation to Oregon that was quite ambitious when it was planned, but we never got much further north than Medford.

My two oldest brothers wanted to go to the Ashland Shakespeare Festival.

Since I was 7 and the only tickets available were standing room, I didn't go.

Now Washington is a whole different story. I've been there three times. Washington has the advantage of being a real state.

2007-01-23 12:45:28
117.   D4P
Washington has the advantage of being a real state

You can pick up your gauntlet...

2007-01-23 12:46:40
118.   Penarol1916
115. Yeah, well it's because the only two Ag schools in the country where my dad never worked in, had students went on to teach or given seminars in appear to have been OSU and UofA. I believe I have been to every other Ag School in the country, from Hawaii to Maine, my favorite was Mississippi State.
2007-01-23 12:49:53
119.   D4P
People who have never been to Oregon (or not since they were 7, and even then, never north of Medford, of all places) are officially On Notice.
2007-01-23 13:03:51
120.   Bob Timmermann
119
Duly noted
2007-01-23 13:09:42
121.   D4P
121
Just go to Oregon already! Bring your lady friend along for a romantic getaway. Take your pick of landscapes (or see them all):

1. Lush, fertile valley (with cities to boot)
2. Multiple mountain ranges, with waterfalls, old growth forests etc.
3. Stunning coastline, with freezing cold water but beautiful vistas
4. High desert, with various rock formations, painted hills, etc.
5. Oh: and Crater Lake

2007-01-23 13:16:58
122.   D4P
At the very least you should take in a basketball game at Mac Court. I'm kinda surprised you haven't.
2007-01-23 13:21:41
123.   Bob Timmermann
Maybe New Mexico again.

Now there's a state!

2007-01-23 13:25:37
124.   Sam DC
Forget the lady friend, that Prius would be a total chick magnet in Oregon.

And make sure to refer to the city of Portland (not just the airport) as PDX.

2007-01-23 13:32:07
125.   D4P
From Mandy Moore:

"I feel bad that people wasted their money on such trite, blah pop music," says Moore about her earlier music

No word on Ms. Moore's reimbursement plan...

2007-01-23 13:34:53
126.   Bob Timmermann
I thought the state of Oregon had officially had its name changed to "Knightland"
2007-01-23 13:40:43
127.   D4P
The Nikezation of Oregon is a sad story. Oregon athletics used to feel much more "grassroots" and community-based. But they sold out.

Don't let that stop you from enjoying what the state has to offer.

2007-01-23 13:44:17
128.   Xeifrank
Oregon chat (if you can't beat em join em :))
My only visit to/through Oregon was a drive from San Francisco to Bremerton WA. Left SF in the afternoon so the whole drive through Oregon was dark. It snowed a little bit on us on the pass at the southern end of the state. I'd say Oregon looked as lovely as any other state I've driven through in the dark. All joking aside, I wouldn't mind doing a little exploring in Oregon, as long as I wasn't abducted by a cult or the bark eating Bill Walton. vr, Xei
2007-01-23 13:55:12
129.   Bob Timmermann
There are just so many states to see, that I don't want to backtrack and see ones that I've already been to.

Nebraska beckons!

So do the Carolinas!

And the Dakotas!

2007-01-23 14:02:10
130.   D4P
I don't want to backtrack and see ones that I've already been to

Then ixnay on the Ewnay Exicomay

So do the Carolinas!

Come on out!1 We can go to a Durham Bulls game this summer and you can keep score while I complain about the humidity. Plus, you must be tired of scoring by yourself2...

1If you can't make it in person, you can always go there in your mind

2There it is again...

2007-01-23 14:06:19
131.   El Lay Dave
99 I am reminded of Hot Rod Hundley's old joke about the night he and Elgin Baylor combined for 73 points for the Lakers.

113 a girl attending USC ... was kicked out of school for paying her roommate to do her homework Another long-held, well-rooted, time-honored tradition bites the dust. Or maybe they don't expel you if you are smart enough to get a booster to pay.

2007-01-23 14:07:59
132.   El Lay Dave
130, footnote 1 - from what I gather, isn't that a more likely activity for Greg Brock?
2007-01-23 14:10:49
133.   Bob Timmermann
131
I believe the woman in question was not kicked out of school. She had already graduated, but returned her degree (I didn't know you could do that) after evidence of her cheating broke.
2007-01-23 14:12:14
134.   Bumsrap
In the 60's Oregon posted signs such as: Don't californicate oregon and come, see, spend, and leave.
2007-01-23 14:18:48
135.   madmac
and driving thru the state with a CA liscence plate was like having a bullseye painted on our vehicle
2007-01-23 14:26:14
136.   Sam DC
Ah, Tom "Visit But Don't Stay" McCall.
2007-01-23 14:26:30
137.   D4P
Don't californicate oregon

Too late.

2007-01-23 14:27:09
138.   Greg Brock
130, 132

Can't you see the sunshine?
Can't you just feel the moonshine?

2007-01-23 14:27:09
139.   D4P
isn't that a more likely activity for Greg Brock?

I'm guessing Greg doesn't care much for the popular tunes...

2007-01-23 14:28:09
140.   Greg Brock
JT caused a break in the space/time continuum.

His powers are limitless!

2007-01-23 14:32:12
141.   D4P
His powers are limitless!

And the UNC Student Health Center is named after him! And so (I think) is a museum and a bridge in Chapel Hill!

2007-01-23 14:33:13
142.   Greg Brock
He also has the perfect name for a 19th century president.
2007-01-23 14:33:17
143.   D4P
a break in the space/time continuum

Woah, I would swear I just saw a new post up top. Something about happy birthday to Ernie or something. But now it's gone.

It's like, so weird.

2007-01-23 14:37:44
144.   Marty
I drove through Oregon on the way to Seattle in 1987. I remember:

~ Coos Bay was interesting
~ Corvallis was beautiful
~ Eugene was a small city with a giant freeway through the middle
~ I loved Portland
~ It seemed like I saw a myrtlewood shop about every mile.

2007-01-23 14:38:03
145.   Penarol1916
133. I think you're right, what stuck out to me was the fact that her parents were so embaressed that they rescinded the demand that Missouri's arena be named after her, which the University was already pretty angry about.
2007-01-23 14:40:15
146.   D4P
Eugene was a small city with a giant freeway through the middle

Technically, the giant freeway (I-5) separates Eugene from Springfield, with Eugene on the west, and Springfield on the east.

2007-01-23 14:41:15
147.   Marty
Oh also, when I drove back, everything between Eugene and Sacramento was on fire.
2007-01-23 14:51:19
148.   stopthebeachballs
I travelled to Oregon by covered wagon, burying much of my family on the way... man, Oregon Trail was a great game.
2007-01-23 14:53:39
149.   Marty
I think I still have a copy of Oregon Trail laying around somewhere.
2007-01-23 14:53:57
150.   D4P
Oregon Trail

Holy cow, was that that game played on the "computer" back in the early 80s that just printed out what was happening?

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2007-01-23 14:55:08
151.   D4P
Wow, serious memories.

http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/otrail.shtml

2007-01-23 14:56:55
152.   trainwreck
I had to play Oregon Trail in elementary school.
2007-01-23 14:57:25
153.   Sam DC
Makes we want to sacrafice another keyboard to the Gods of Olmpic Decathalon.
2007-01-23 14:58:26
154.   Greg Brock
151 I think I've mentioned it before, but I have this t-shirt, and it gets many comments from the 80's computer-playing dork set.

http://www.bustedtees.com/shirt/dysentery

2007-01-23 15:00:05
155.   Greg Brock
Carmen Sandiego, Summer Games, Oregon Trail, Jungle Hunt. Apple IIE was my master.

The 80's pwned!

2007-01-23 15:00:11
156.   D4P
Anyone else ever play "Dr. Oz's Caverns"? It was a math game. I can't remember much about it, other than that my friend and I were obsessed with it at school.
2007-01-23 15:00:45
157.   D4P
The 80's pwned!

Careful, Bob's gonna think us under-40 folks all talk alike...

2007-01-23 15:01:02
158.   trainwreck
I was watching Carmen Sandiego when the 89' earthquake hit. How I miss Rockapella.
2007-01-23 15:01:29
159.   Marty
I cut my teeth on computer gaming with King's Quest. King's Quest IV was actually fun.
2007-01-23 15:02:25
160.   trainwreck
156
That sounds familiar. I had to play a few games when I was in elementary school. I remember one we had to solve a mystery involving some loan sharks. Another game involved a rabbit and it had to do with math.
2007-01-23 15:02:30
161.   Greg Brock
How about Zork?
2007-01-23 15:03:04
162.   Sam DC
I know I've posted this here before.

http://thcnet.net/error/index.php

2007-01-23 15:04:58
163.   Sam DC
what's a little scary is I posted 162 before seeing 161.

this one's a little better.

http://www.gameszoo.org/rezork/rezork1.html

2007-01-23 15:05:18
164.   Greg Brock
162 OH. MY. GOD.

I'm going home to do that right now!

2007-01-23 15:07:37
165.   D4P
King's Quest IV was actually fun

I never dabbled much in actual computer games. However, I happen to have played one of the King's Quest games with my friend on his computer. It was either IV or V. The thing I remember (which we had to call the company to figure out) was getting stuck at one point. The way out was to

1. Drop some honey on the ground,
2. Drop some diamonds in the honey,
3. Thus coaxing some little creature to come out of hiding for the diamonds, except
4. He gets stuck in the honey, and then you can
5. Make him help you move on.

What a scam! Those phone calls to the company cost money!

2007-01-23 15:08:42
166.   D4P
I'm going home to do that right now!

I remember when I first learned I could play RBI Baseball on my computer, a few years ago. I thought I'd never leave the house again.

2007-01-23 15:13:51
167.   caseybarker
Corvallis holds some great memories for me. I loved watching the train go by in right field during games.

And I had one class in Keith Moreland hall. It was writing.

2007-01-23 15:15:44
168.   Uncle Miltie
The Nikezation of Oregon is a sad story.
I disagree. Without Phil Knight pouring money into the school, I doubt the school would be so aesthetically pleasing. You can forget about drawing top athletes to the program without Knight. In the football class of 2007, 10 four star athletes have already committed to Oregon. Why do you think Malik Hairston chose Oregon over UCLA, Michigan, Ohio State, and Arizona? Without Knight's money, the main library wouldn't be nearly as stunning. Knight has allowed the school to focus using their funds on academics only.

I forgot to mention that there are 3 Walmarts in Eugene! Exciting…I know.

2007-01-23 15:18:00
169.   D4P
there are 3 Walmarts in Eugene!

Which presumably includes the only Walmart I've ever been in, where I bought the watch that broke a month later.

2007-01-23 15:18:01
170.   Marty
165 That sounds like KQIV (The Perils of Rosella!)

I remember getting my first computer, a 386sx 20mhz screamer, and using my 9600 baud modem to get on Compuserve to look for games. I got a credit card bill with something like $80 in usage fees and I never used that service again.
It nearly ruined the internet for me.

2007-01-23 15:42:10
171.   Andrew Shimmin
170- Kids today find the cheats for their video games for free, on Dutch WaReZ!!1! sites. They have no empathy for our pain. I almost got away with my $50 phone bill, since my father found it more likely that he'd have sleep-called somebody thirty times, than that I had made use of the phone. Then he remembered about the modem. Fifty bucks takes a long time to pay back when one's allowance is two dollars a week. Unless he misappropriates his lunch money.
2007-01-23 15:44:04
172.   El Lay Dave
140 I'm taking the wife to see Mr. Taylor at the Wilshire Theatre next month.

161 I'm old enough to have played Adventure (AKA Colossal Cave) - all text - on 110-baud Decwriter terminals, pre-Zork.

166 Some bored co-workers wrote a computer version of Strat-0-Matic in the mid 80s, before they sold a version, I think. Prior to that, they created a data entry screen (crude GUI) and database for Strat cards so they could perform statistical analysis based on the actual card data, including individual matchup statistics for the entire league. Before a game they would print the combined BA, OBP, Slg, etc. for the combined hitters/pitchers cards of the two teams for the home ballpark.

2007-01-23 15:53:00
173.   Andrew Shimmin
The As moved Sarloos for this guy:

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/S/David-Shafer.shtml

I'm glad they found somebody to take him. And that Mr. Ned wasn't the somebody.

2007-01-23 15:53:21
174.   Andrew Shimmin
Saarloos, even.
2007-01-23 15:53:58
175.   D4P
Adventure (AKA Colossal Cave) - all text - on 110-baud Decwriter terminals

I remember a game, pre-Apple II (much less IIe), that involved a printer and some kind of data input device (presumably a keyboard). There was no monitor. You would type in your move, then the printer would print out what happened.

2007-01-23 15:54:22
176.   Andrew Shimmin
Oh, c'mon! I checked the Griddle, and there wasn't anything. But I didn't think to check Catfish Stew. Bother.
2007-01-23 16:07:17
177.   El Lay Dave
175 Exactly. The link in 162 for Zork simulates that kind of "action".

XYZZY.
Y2.
A narrow, twisty, maze of passages, all different.
...most of them throw knives at you!!!!! ALL of them get you!!!!!

2007-01-23 16:50:49
178.   bhsportsguy
It wasn't enough to bring in the guy who gave up Nomar's homer, now we have invited the only player to hit two grand slams in the same inning back in 1999.
2007-01-23 17:03:13
179.   Greg Brock
I didn't even know Tatis was still in the league.
2007-01-23 17:07:18
180.   Andrew Shimmin
Fernando Tatis. Now, there's a thing. Not content to acquire the entire 2004 D'rays roster by force, Mr. Ned turns his eye on people who didn't make the cut for that team.
2007-01-23 17:07:54
181.   Xeifrank
Post up at the Cardinals blog of...
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/
where they mention the Dodgers as one of the possible alternatives (along with Seattle) for Jeff Weaver if he doesn't sign with the Cardinals. Supposedly Boras is will to hold his client out, in order to get a 4yr/$40Mil deal. One of the commenters echoed my thoughts about the Dodgers trying to hoard starting pitching as trade equity as holes open up on teams during spring training or the early part of the season. But I don't think Jeff Weaver at 4y/$40mil would be much of a bargaining chip/trade bait. More likely the Dodgers and Mariners names were drummed up by Boras to drive up Weaver's price to the Cards. vr, Xei
2007-01-23 17:10:26
182.   Andrew Shimmin
179- You, some how, missed those 56 ABs he got with the Orioles last year? If he can repeat, though, there's your second .500 SLG guy. I bet Olmedo will be running out every last ST groundout, though.
2007-01-23 17:23:42
183.   ToyCannon
For some reason I keep missing Oregon. I fly over it all the time on the way to Seattle and I drive just about to the border about 3 times a year but I stop at Ferndale.

I remember Rob Neyer in 1999 saying that Tatis was going to be one of the top players of the next decade. He admitted later it was one of his bigges gaffes but who knew in 99 that he would fall off a cliff.

2007-01-23 17:31:05
184.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-01-23 17:48:47
185.   godvls
My dad and I drove up to Eugene in 1978 to see UCLA play in the 1st round of the NCAA tournament. Arkansas, led by the Three Baskateers, beat Weber State in the first game. UCLA followed by beating Kansas in a fairly close game. UCLA would go on to lose to Arkansas in the regionals in Albuquerque.

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