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1) using profanity or any euphemisms for profanity
2) personally attacking other commenters
3) baiting other commenters
4) arguing for the sake of arguing
5) discussing politics
6) using hyperbole when something less will suffice
7) using sarcasm in a way that can be misinterpreted negatively
8) making the same point over and over again
9) typing "no-hitter" or "perfect game" to describe either in progress
10) being annoyed by the existence of this list
11) commenting under the obvious influence
12) claiming your opinion isn't allowed when it's just being disagreed with
... Joe Mays!
Yes, Joe Mays, who has pitched 206 2/3 innings since 2003, allowing 147 earned runs while striking out 74 batters. Joe Mays, you have earned yourself an all-expenses-and-then-some trip to Vero Beach!
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Grady Little chatted on Dodgers.com today and mentioned that the signing of Luis Gonzalez threw the chances of Rafael Furcal batting third "out the window." He likes Nomar Garciaparra, Jeff Kent and Gonzalez at 3-4-5, though I'd expect Gonzalez to slide out of the fifth spot as the season progresses.
Little also implied that Jason Repko and James Loney are likely to make the Opening Day roster and that Nomar Garciaparra would not play any third base.
As expected, Little has penciled in the first four starting pitchers, with the fifth slot subject to a competition that will include Chad Billingsley, Hong-Chih Kuo, Mark Hendrickson, Brett Tomko and Eric Stults. (And Joe Mays, I guess.) The news here mostly is that Hendrickson and Tomko would contend for a starting role, instead of being locked into the bullpen.
One thing I am decidedly not going to worry about, though, is preseason speculation about who the No. 5 starter will be in April. Yes, it's possible the Dodgers will start the year by choosing a veteran for the wrong reasons. But if both Billingsley and Kuo, for example, start the season in the bullpen, is that really going to be so bad? Well, maybe, but at least their arms will be rested for the long, hot summer. The only thing that can seriously go wrong in March or April (besides injuries) would be for the Dodgers to trade a prospect for rubbish.
And ultimately, the Hendrickson and Tomko talk might just be to have them be in a positive frame of mind heading into Spring Training. Little is the same manager who took Hendrickson and Tomko out of the rotation last year (slowly but surely). He's not the one who acquired them - it's only right that he treat them with respect. After the season's underway, the worrying can begin.
(Rob, sincerely, you're completely right - sometimes I should be more cranky. I promise - the thought of Hendrickson or Tomko over Billingsley or Kuo eats at me - but I just can't say that out loud!)
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Baseball-Reference.com hero Sean Forman was interviewed by John Donovan of SI.com today, which prompted me to take a closer look at the Baseball-Reference Wiki.
It's a great project, but one thing I can objectively say it is missing is input from Dodger Thoughts readers. I would love to see some of the people here jump on. If, for example, anyone were to feed the R.J. Reynolds or the tres Pedros (Pedro Astacio, Pedro Guerrero, Pedro Martinez) pages with some DT-inspired background, I'd be tickled blue.
Yeah, I've been hanging out with my students too much.
If ever there is a contest for least popular Dodger within the history of DT (going back to 2002), Scott Erickson might win. He'd get my vote.
I completely agree about that one.
I think Juan Pierre has won that award without even getting an at bat.
THen again, so is the NRI to Joe Mays.
Let the young guys play and win together and then move them up more or less together.
Tomko can have the fifth spot. If Repko has a good spring, then let him have right. But come June 1, please clean up your mess Ned.
PJ
Fur-kel
Garciaparra
Kent
LuGo
Ethier/Betemit
Betemit/Either
Martin
Which makes Mays this year's Lance Carter.
I liked Grady's comments in his chat today, overall (except for being worriedly in love with Gonzo, but I doubt that will last long). But otherwise I like what he had to say.
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Koufax used a lot of liniment and some sort of concoction made out of capsicum, aka the stuff that makes Mexican food hot.
Hee-Seop Choi
Juan Pierre
Milton Bradley
Beach Balls
Olmedo Saenz
Dodger Dogs
Paul DePodesta
J.D. Drew
Rick Monday
Jason Grabowski
Ramon Martinez
Joe Beimel
Ned Colletti
Mark Hendrickson
Jim Tracy
Wade-Giles vs. Pinyin transliteration systems
WWSH
Completely agree, we have enough cranky posters that we don't need our host feeding the beast.
2-7-07
DanBudreika (Haymarket, VA): Dan, While I can appreciate all of your work on base running, I do find it very deep and well researched, how much significance do you think it actually has on the game itself as a whole? After reading some of your articles I sometimes have myself wondering if the metrics you have derived will really make a big difference in the game itself..
Dan Fox: Your observation in that last sentence is exactly why I started down the road of putting these metrics together. As with fielding, I think if you asked a range of people inside and outside the game how much difference baserunning makes in the big picture, your answers would fall all over the spectrum from "hardly at all" to 10 games or more in the standings.
It turns out that in the aggregate really good baserunners:
a) don't garner enough opportunities in a single season in specific situations such as the chance to advance from first to third on a single and
b) don't take enough extra bases relative to average baserunners to separate themselves from the pack and therefore contribute a large number of additional runs.
So if the 5 best baserunners in baseball advance from first to third on a single 42% of the time (as they did from 2000-2005) and the five worst do so 22% of the time, then if those runners each get 40 opportunities per season, the elite baserunner gets to third 8 more times a season than the very worst runner. And then when you consider that getting to third raises your probability of scoring but doesn't guarantee it (in other words you only pick up incremental advantages with each advancement), you can see how quickly the advantage dissipates.
As far as whether the metrics will really make a difference in the game itself, my hope is that it helps us to put baserunning in perspective where we can confidently say that an elite baserunner is probably worth an additional 5 to 8 runs per season over an average runner and then factor that into our evaluations. So then when looking at a player we can say, for example, that 70% of his value lies in his offense, 20% in his defense, and 10% in his baserunning.
Being a good baserunner is also related in many cases to being a smart player or a good defender and so metrics like this can also help us tease out some of those relationships. There's still a long way to go but I'm glad the topic is getting some traction as evidenced by Bill James additional work in his Handbook this season.
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TGisriel (Baltimore): I found your comment that "Older teams outperform younger ones" particularly interesting in light of what I perceive to be a tendency at BP to argue for the acquisition of younger unproven by talented players rather than established players. Some of this is based upon the different cost of the two of course. Do you perceive this tendency as well?
Dan Fox: I agree that BP falls more on the side of young talent.
What I'm seeing in my research thus far is that there is a sweet spot right at or above the normalized weighted mean age of the team (a formula that looks at pitcher innings and hitter plate appearances and league age) and both before and after that there is a drop off. Teams that go very young perform poorly as do those that go really old (generally speaking with the Yankees of 2003-2006 being an exception).
"Burdette hit 12 home runs, including two off Sandy Koufax. The Braves star especially enjoyed swinging at the Coliseum, where the Dodgers played from 1958-61. The reconfigured football stadium featured a left-field pole about 250 feet from home plate, along with a screen more than 40 feet high.
Burdette hit half of his career homers at the Coliseum, and lofted a fly ball over the screen for his only grand slam as part of two-homer, five-RBI game against the Dodgers in 1958. "
Not bad for a pitcher. I wonder if any other pitchers ever hit two home runs off of Koufax?
1. Furcal or Pierre
2. Pierre or Furcal
3. Nomar
4. Kent
5. Gonzalez
6. Martin
7. ?
8. ?
8. Bigbie
http://tinyurl.com/2lwarc
Here's how it begins:
She prepared for the 950-mile drive from Houston with the discipline of someone who had flown 13 days in space. The steel mallet, folding knife and rubber tube were all catalogued on a handwritten list, police say. She had maps, she had bus schedules and she had a disguise. Thinking like an astronaut, she brought diapers to avoid bathroom stops.
The world is just bizarre.
One would be hard-pressed to convince me that Pierre is more valuable than Repko.
i agree that laroche is a longer shot than kemp to earn a starting nod by virtue of his not having any experience--in fact, i think a lot of collittle's [if i may] comments are aimed at lighting a fire under betemit.
whew. thank god we're close to spring training. i'm starting to lose it . . .
Beware the menopausal woman.
That seems like a strange comment. Care to elaborate?
Who said he didn't...?
1990 Reds
CL *Randy Myers 2.08 ERA 86.7 IP 190 ERA+
RP Rob Dibble 1.74 ERA 98.0 IP 226 ERA+
RP Tim Layana 3.49 ERA 80.0 IP 113 ERA+
RP *Norm Charlton 2.85 ERA 53.7 IP 138 ERA+ (only used his relief appearances, he had 2.68 ERA in 100 IP as a starter)
RP *Tim Birtsas 3.86 ERA 51.3 IP 102 ERA+
2.66 ERA 369.3 IP 148 ERA+
2003 Dodgers
CL Eric Gagne 1.20 ERA 82.3 IP 335 ERA+
RP Paul Quantrill 1.75 ERA 77.3 IP 231 ERA+
RP *Tom Martin 3.53 ERA 51.0 IP 114 ERA+
RP Guillermo Mota 1.97 ERA 105.0 IP 204 ERA+
RP Paul Shuey 3.00 ERA 69.0 IP 134 ERA+
2.15 ERA 384.7 IP 187 ERA+
The Dodgers crush them, though the numbers would be closer if Charlton stayed in the bullpen. Then, Wilson Alverez had a 1.49 ERA in 24.1 IP in the pen before joining the rotation in 2003, so it kind of evens out. The 2003 team featured the best relief performance of all time, and two others that were great (Mota's 105 IP with a sub 2 ERA amazing). That was such a heartbreaking year.
Bob's got his...
Or did trainers send the Koufax koncoction to the same stinkin' place where Dr. Hook's Snake Oil Miracle Ointment, Dr. Felix's Celebrated Liver Pills, castor oil, milk of magnesia, and similiar goodies reside?
http://farmauthority.dcsportsnet.com/?p=898
I think I can coax 500 miles on a full tank in a Prius, but that would make me very nervous as the gas gauge makes angry noises when the fuel level is low.
Highway, or in the city?
Cheating on Ms. Harkleroad already??
Astronaut
Crazy
Wears diapers
Understands the value of rubber tubing
Doesn't want to stop every hour, unlike most gals
Committed to relationships
Owns a BB gun
The blog "market" also caters to a wide diversity of tastes and choices, something that the now uniformly terrible sports media does not do.
Either.
How many gallons does the tank hold?
wow .... and Grudz' SLG% was 60 points worse than anyone else's in history
"He gives us some depth and another guy to compete for a spot on the team. He's a veteran who throws strikes and knows how to change speeds."
Quick, someone get Ned to call Wayne and see if he'll take Joe Mays back in exchange for Adam Dunn. Tell Wayne that Mays fits the Meadows criteria and is a former 17 game winning All-Star to boot. Add that he didn't really get a fair shot with the Reds last year.
Sounds like the perfect Krvisky deal to me...
ERA ERA IP
1 Jose Lima 5.26 1567.2
2 Jamey Wright 5.14 1461.2
3 Scott Elarton 5.13 1013
4 Joe Mays 5.05 997
5 Eric Milton 5.01 1527.1
HITS/9 IP H/9 IP IP
1 Brian Moehler 10.58 1146.1
2 Glendon Rusch 10.49 1375
3 LaTroy Hawkins 10.26 1016.2
4 Jose Lima 10.24 1567.2
5 Joe Mays 10.20 997
STRIKEOUTS/9 IP SO/9 IP IP
1 Joe Mays 4.62 997
2 Terry Mulholland 4.63 2575.2
3 Scott Erickson 4.77 2360.2
4 Jamey Wright 4.81 1461.2
5 Brian Moehler 4.88 1146.1
Fewest WINS W IP
1 Elmer Dessens 46 1056.2
2 Joe Mays 48 997
T3 Scott Elarton 54 1013
T3 LaTroy Hawkins 54 1016.2
T5 Jason Johnson 55 1327.2
Lowest single season slugging % by Dodger since 1969:
http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/M6SX
No defecation yet.
The good people of Phoenix won't allow that!
Also, you can tell this is an important match because Landon Donovan is completely invisible.
I want Klinsmann!
The Glory of 2007.
Hmmm...She looks weightlesstastic!
And I would drive 900 more
Just to be the astronaut who
Tries to kill you at the airport door
Sha la la la! Sha la la la!
El juego de beisbol no es vivo.
Pero el juego de futbol es vivo.
El juego de baloncesto entre los Osos de UCLA y los Troyanos de USC va a empezar a las siete y media en la noche.
My wife, who never watches sports, is really into the game.
o a las diez y media on la costa este
But Lima Time is no longer vivo. He got pulled after the GoJG singled, leaving two on, and one out. Still scoreless in the bottom of the ninth. Gameday says Arnie Munoz is in to face Javier Valentin, and Yadier Molina and Ruben Gotay, if necessary.
Ha!! Laughable mang!
Yeah, though I haven't gotten out much lately to witness all the spirit. But people really get into the rivalry here.
My eyes are doing fine tonight.
UCLA has played terrible basketball and is only down a few buckets. They should be down by 10.
And once there's less than a minute to go, the clock stops after every made field goal.
Fixed that.
México sero
Our domination of the minor league affiliate known as CONCACAF continues...
And for the record: I'm calling this one a neutral site. I tried to adjust the settings on my TV so that the stands didn't look so green, but I ended up with a blue pitch as well. Someone needs to tell the American supporters to wear red.
We got Kindergarten Cop at our game.
Jeonju, Korea was a neutral site in 2002.
The folks at US Soccer are woefully ignorant of demographics I think.
We just don't pack the house for footie.
Despite having "oil" in the name, I tab "Oil of Olay" as a solid.
I will defer to any chemists in the audience.
Maybe he was inspired by reading the wedding announcement of the 97-year old man in the NY Times.
I just can't win sometimes.
He goes to games with his daughter. And she is old herself.
Perusing the NCAA record book, the officials were correct. You shoot regular free throws after you adminster the technical.
Unless the foul is deemed to be flagrant.
Most 96-year old men have old children. Unless Tony Randall was still alive.
Little known fact that Abraham and Sarah conceived their child at a rest stop in Ur named "Isaac".
Kinky. I like it.
However, I think Abraham and Sarah were living in Canaan at the time, so I blew the joke.
Seriously, enough with the making of the long shots.
I was waiting until the end of the game to point out the free throw disparity. At this point, it's 25-5 in favor of UCLA.
31-5
Re: The US soccer victory today, despite the US Soccer fed. saying it won't affect it one way or the other, I wonder if they're any closer to hiring Bradley officially or if they're still flirting with foreign coaches.
Anyone know if they're gonna re-run the game on TV again this week?
Sha la la la!
The Trojans need more depth to beat teams like UCLA. UCLA can really wear down a team.
http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=2757727
1) UCLA
2) Washington State
3) Stanford
4) USC
5) Oregon
6) Arizona
7) Cal
8) Washington
9) Oregon State
10) Arizona State
Yes, I had to look that one up. I had never come across that word before. I thought it would be something like "miopico".
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I just wear glasses for driving.
Or for respect.
This was my favorite comment (pardon the partially-censored French):
"UNC will open up about 12 cans of whoopa$$ on those b!tch-boy Dukie stiffs."
Except mine likes Notre Dame.
Although for some reason my mind immediately went to the Salute Your Shorts! episode where the nerdy guy and his date have the exact same inhaler and figure out the odds of it happening on their calculator watches instead.
ROTN is never far from my thoughts
Hard to beat a Salute Your Shorts reference.
How did Karl Dorrell "earn" a 1 year contract extension?
Follow the "Baseball Analysts" link on the sidebar here to check it out.
Surely whatever rule affects this expires fairly soon? If so, unless JP has a no-trade clause (surely not), Ned could take care of the problem that way if Kemp blossoms.
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