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From Dodger Thoughts, February 19, 2003, for Murray Chass. Just to show that we should be past statphobia by now.
In fact, we really are well past it - note how much more ubiquitous OPS has become in the past four years, to the point that OPS is starting to seem junior league - only Chass, who wrote today that "new-age statistics (threaten) to undermine most fans' enjoyment of baseball and the human factor therein," is among those who don't seem to realize it:
The New Stats - They Mean No HarmNate Silver of Baseball Prospectus wrote a classy response to Chass tonight.
Calculus killed me. Math was easy until calculus. After that, math became Sanskrit. So I get that there are limits.But the new baseball stats that are coming into use today - they aren't calculus. So don't be afraid. Give them a chance.
It's often said that no sport depends on numbers for its popularity more than baseball. Numbers like 61, .406 and 1.12 have volumes of meaning that bridge generations.
That said, many baseball fans, writers and professionals are resistant to, if not critical of, any hint of excessive or, dare I say it, newfangled statistical analysis. (By the way: 27 words in that sentence and six commas, for a ratio of 4.50 WPC.) These people can be longtime fans who worry that stats will suck the romance out of the game, or managers who feel that stats can't substitute for human observation. Statisticians are often perceived as a threat to the game itself.
In no way am I a statistician, but I'd like to speak up in their defense - and explain why this matters to Dodger fans.
The Suits and the Dungarees
Everyone will have their limit, based on how much they want to know and how much they want to learn. But it seems to me that baseball is not baseball without numbers. It is a poetic game, to be sure, and a visual one. But fundamentally, you keep score. One team gets more runs than another. Stats help us evaluate who helps their team get more runs than another.
This shouldn't be like a high school war between the jocks and the geeks. Watching a player has its role, and evaluating a player with numbers has its role. They can co-exist.
That said, can we agree that it's okay to use newer, better stats?
Some people are fiercely loyal to the stats they grew up with, and are offended by change. Batting average is cool, but OPS (on-base plus slugging percentage) is too much. (Can I get away with a WKRP in Cincinnati reference here? It's a battle between "the suits and the dungarees.")
In the end, we all need clothes.
Look, I take the purist side on many issues, like being anti-DH and anti-wild card, but I don't do so for the sake of being a purist, but because I think the game was better without those changes.
I get that there will always be some magic to a player's batting average, to the idea of trying to hit .400 or even .300 and of avoiding .200, so I don't want to see batting average eliminated from the records.
But it's becoming clearer that magic and poetry are about the only value that the batting average statistic has. People should not be affronted by the idea that measures of performance that are newer and more reliable than batting average have been discovered, such as OPS. People should be encouraged that they can offer more informed explanations about why Eric Karros is no longer a very good player.
In particular, the media should not live in denial.
Pull Up a Chair for OPS
OPS is a relatively new concept. It's second-hand to me now, but I don't think I've been aware of it for more than a few years. Of course, a few years is better than nothing. I revel in the ability OPS has to provide a one-shot indicator of a player's performance. Clearly, it is more effective than batting average, and nimbler than citing separate on-base and slugging percentages. Some media outlets, such as ESPN.com, have come to realize this.
And yet, I'm pretty sure that the next reference to OPS in the Los Angeles Times will be the first.
The Times is the paper of record in Los Angeles, so it does not need to take change lightly. But it should also strive to provide the best analysis of any given subject. Certainly, a minority of its readers are going to be familiar with OPS. But I think if this is the best tool at hand, providing both efficiency and simplicity, then the Times beat writers should learn it and use it.
Same goes for Vin Scully. There's no announcer for whom I have more love or respect. But past achievement does not eliminate the need to adapt - just look at Kevin Brown. There are better tools available today, and I am dying to see Vinny look beyond the old school stuff and use them in his broadcasts.
(It has to be Vin, by the way. If Ross Porter does it, more power to him - but he's so criticized for his reliance on numbers that the citywide resistance may be vitriolic. And if Rick Monday does it, will anyone notice amid his rambling? Even though he has his detractors, Vin has the necessary authority to put OPS into use in Los Angeles.)
My own audience, such as it is, is a mix of people who used OPS before I knew what it was and people who may still be in the dark about it. But you know, you've got to learn sometime. It's not like the Times explains what ERA is every day. If a media outlet uses vocabulary that the reader doesn't understand, I don't see a problem with the reader having to do a little self-education.
Stats are part of the game. Everyone should agree on that. Sure, let Dusty Baker ignore OPS, play a hunch and let Shawon Dunston into a World Series game (and watch him hit a home run). But can a better stat like OPS at least be part of the discussion? I don't see why not.
EqA - Obscurely Wonderful, Like Fernando in 1980
I was gonna say Jack Fimple in 1983, but it turns out his OPS was only .658, and I thought that might be controversial.
Anyway, I'm not saying OPS is not the be-all and end-all.
I'm studying this stuff more, trying to understand all the statistical tools out there. Not as an end to itself, but as a better means to do the evaluation of the Dodgers that I'm trying to do.
In using OPS, I'm ahead of the mainstream curve, but I still trail the cutting-edge curve.
The latest item I'm just now starting to work into my baseball vocabulary is Equivalent Average, or EqA, which appears to be even more useful than OPS.
Baseball Prospectus defines EqA as "a measure of total offensive value per out, with corrections for league offensive level, home park, and team pitching. The EqA adjusted for all-time also has a correction for league difficulty."
You can see the advantages right away. OPS doesn't make any of the above corrections. So when I use OPS to compare Shawn Green to a player from another team, like Raul Mondesi -- much less a player from another era, like, oh, Mel Ott, I have to guess at the adjustments that I must make.
Additionally, in a manner that serves to appease or entice the so-called purists, the EqA scale is deliberately set to approximate that of batting average. An average EqA is .260 - which on a gut level, seems like the batting average of an average ballplayer. (Does it hurt the case for EqA if I wish they had picked .250? You know - a simple 1 for 4?)
For now, OPS remains handier because it can be located on many baseball websites and can be calculated very easily. EQA is not nearly as accessible. The only EQA chart I know of is on the Baseball Prospectus site, and it's not comprehensive.
I also have to mention that in this, my first experience writing about EqA, the shift between capital and small letters is tiresome. I hate to be insolent, but can I write EQA instead?
Let's try it. Write me if it bothers you.
In any case (literally), I'm going to start to try to work in EQA into my articles, hoping it provides some use, while acknowledging that it might be another gateway drug for me to an even more obscure if effective stat.
Here are some relevant 2002 EQAs for the Dodgers, and where they ranked in the major leagues within their given position (minimum 502 plate appearances):
.265 Paul Lo Duca (6th among C)
.294 Fred McGriff (14th among 1B)
.262 Eric Karros (21st among 1B)
.242 Mark Grudzielanek (16th among 2B)
.259 Adrian Beltre (15th among 3B)
.292 Alex Cora (in 291 plate appearances - would be 5th among SS)
.201 Cesar Izturis (in 449 PA - would be worse than all 19 SS regulars except Neifi Perez)
.284 Brian Jordan (14th among LF. Barry Bonds was at .457!)
.277 Dave Roberts (in 472 PA - would be 13th among CF)
.289 Marquis Grissom (in 367 PA - would be 11th among CF)
.322 Shawn Green (5th among RF, 21st among all players)Beltre really does have a ways to go, doesn't he. Good thing he still qualifies as young. Of course, no one on the team is has more ground to cover than Izturis.
You can see the similarity in the EQA scores between Lo Duca and Karros, but the difference as to where they rank in their given positions.
McGriff, Jordan and Grissom were more above-average than I expected. And Cora, for his position, was really high - and it's not like he had an infinitesimal amount of at-bats. With his fielding ability, doesn't it seem strange that he is an underdog for a starting job this year? Or is it that human element that makes it wise to make him a backup? Seriously - I'd like to know.
Barry Bonds was 87 points higher than the next-best major leaguer, Manny Ramirez (.370).
No, I don't need OPS or EQA to tell me Barry Bonds had a better season than anyone else last year. But those stats say it more authoritatively, and are of great use in putting in perspective the mediocrity that is the Dodger lineup. I hope that the Dodgers are paying attention. Better stats might have helped prevent some of the horrible decisions made in recent years. Tom Goodwin - hello?
And though I hate to mention football as a role model, that sport has been using a complicated statistical formula for ranking quarterbacks for about 25 years. No one seems to mind.
Everyone who is a baseball fan should embrace OPS, if not EQA. They're great fun and easy to spell!
I wish I had Vin's number.
For me, stats complement rather than supplant baseball.
It reminds of me of the attitude of some folks who, say, worked on ranches or ran oil companies, thinking they know more about global warming than the scientists who spend their lives studying such things.
Who knows more about architecture than architects? Engineering than engineers? Rocket science than rocket scientists?
The irony is that the Murray Chasses of the world have the gall to accuse the statisticians and scientists of being arrogant...
I love baseball more now than I ever have, and that's largely due to statistical analysis.
I totally agree. I feel I have such a better grasp on baseball than the other sports I follow, because of learning about statistical analysis.
If you'd used the serial comma, it would have been 7 commas for 27 words.
And really, if the serial comma is good enough for Messrs. Strunk and White, isn't it good enough for us?
What is with TV shows taking a couple months hiatus? I do not like this trend.
9 - Unless you lived in an era in which shows produced 39 episodes a year, it's not a very new trend.
Mr. Chass, I believe, would like to watch the game with his 7 purist friends "for the love of the game."
We found a list of other things Murray Chass doesn't like: http://wrigleyville23.blogspot.com/2007/02/murray-chass-fuddy-duddy.html
When sweeps months became more important, the end of the season moved to the end of May, but with more interruptions in between. The maximum number of episodes per season for a show has remained at around 22 - maybe as high as 26 for a really successful show - but still, that leaves six months a year without fresh episodes.
Other shows fill the gaps, and then you have things like short-run HBO shows, but there's really no avoiding shows going on hiatus for long stretches of time.
D4P is way too young to remember TV shows that had 39 episode seasons. 39 NEW episodes.
"MASH" went on the air in 1972. It had 24 episodes in its first season. "Mary Tyler Moore" and "Bob Newhart" usually had 24 episode seasons.
But why parade yourself as a stodgy turd for all the world to see?
Why indeed...
My grandparents smile upon you from heaven.
Now there's a guy who doesn't let "using the past to predict the future" ruin his human element
well, houlton is listed officially as 6'3 on the dodgers site; compared to earlier reports of 6'4 when he was drafted. So im assuming 6'3 is pretty accurate for him. If we use Houlton as a benchmark, elbert is about 2 inches shorter with megrew being about 2 inches taller.
Meloan looks a tad shorter then houlton, although a bit thicker.
two things
1. when did penny and milano break up?
2. how in hell is he pulling these hot girls?
if his game is anything like his baseball game, he obviously lacks the second half stamina chicks like Eliza Dushku probably dig.
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vr, Xei
Since star Gary Cooper was right-handed and Lou Gehrig was left-handed, and since Cooper's athletic skills were barely passable right-handed let alone left-handed, the close-up baseball scenes were shot with uniforms in reverse type. Cooper would hit the ball and run to third, and the prints would be reversed.
That said, the movie remains a favorite of mind because Lou Gehrig was one of the first players I read about when I was growing up.
How good was Gehrig? There are those who downplay the stats of late 1920's and 1930's because offensive stats were inflated during those years.
But Gehrig, who from 1927-1937, never had an OPS under 1.015, an OBP under .424 and a Slugging under .583, does not fall under the overvalued players of that period.
Gehrig of course became famous in death as the disease he died of, ALS, became also known as Lou Gehrig's disease. And he made the Luckiest man speech on July 4, 1939.
My thoughts about the movie, Babe Ruth did a pretty good job playing Babe Ruth, Bill Dickey did an average job playing Bill Dickey. As a kid, I could not think of a better wife than Teresa Wright (think about it, a girl who loves baseball and looks like that!) Gary Cooper, who got nominated for an Oscar for his performance as Lou Gehrig, went around military bases during WWII to recreate the Luckiest man speech, later won his Oscar for his portrayal of maybe the unluckiest man on the face of earth, the Marshall in High Noon.
Nate, to answer your question about how he gets these girls, need I remind you that Brett Tomko married a Playboy Playmate. And although I tend to get confused which Arizona school Nate attends, its no secret that Andre Ethier married fellow Sun Devil, Maggie Germaine, currently an ASU Gymnastics assistant coach, formerly a member of the team from 2000-2003.
I like to separate on-base and slugging percentages and combining the two hides what I want to know. Pierre's ops is low but he earns millions as a leadoff hitter and more than one team was willing to pay him those millions.
I am for Vin doing his own thing and letting those wanting more stats to do their own thing. And if Vin should do something differently he should start by pronouncing Encarnacion with a Latino accent.
I believe a writer for the NY Times being anti-intellectual or anti-elitist is, dare I say it?
IRONIC!
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/statpages/glossary/#gpa
Gross Production Average, a variation of OPS, but more accurate and easier to interpret. The exact formula is (OBP*1.8+SLG)/4, adjusted for ballpark factor. The scale of GPA is similar to BA: .200 is lousy, .265 is around average and .300 is a star.
Now I feel dirty. Not saying anything that isn't public or is hurtful so I'll only take a quick shower.
I think that there is a beauty that is exposed through better tools of analysis. Study evolution and all of a sudden there is a path to understanding everything from how we got here to why we act, feel, think like we do (as well as why trees and ant colonies do what they do). Explaining how and why a rainbow exists doesn't make the rainbow less magical. I think it can make it more so.
Same goes for a better understanding of why Juan Pierre does or doesn't help a team win.
http://tinyurl.com/2l52gq
Ah, limits.
Lim (Weisman) = 0
(math)->(calculus)
Is that correct?
Theresa Wright never answers my fan letters now.
Her family says it has something to do with her being dead, but I think they're just putting me off.
Damn, I knew I shouldn't have tossed out that Theresa Wright rookie card, too!
And having said that, I'll admit a certain sympathy with Chass's viewpoint. Not that I'm against more complex and advanced statistics, I just question whether they truly provide more useful information. In particular, the obsession with finding The One Number to describe performance robs us of information, and of meaning.
Take something as simple as OPS. I actually avoid that, where possible, for two reasons. One is that it takes two statistics that actually stand for something - percentage of times reaching base, total bases per at-bat - and combine them into a number that, in and of itself, stands for absolutely nothing.
Second, the combined OPS stat provides less information than looking at OBP and SA as separate statistics. Player A: OBP .400, SA .450. Player B: OPB .350, SA .500. With very little extra effort, you've conveyed much more information, and much more meaning, than to say that both have and OPS of .850.
Perhaps EqA and other stats are more accurate, but that doesn't make them more useful. Tell me a player's OBA, SA and at-bats; tell me when he played, for whom and at what position. Simple, direct, meaningful information, that enables me to assess a player's performance as well as EqA does, and gives me a much better understanding.
With all due respect, you can have your wholesome, innocent Teresa Wright. I'll stick with my secret true love: Carole Lombard.
Not to mention, I think Tommy is crazy for prolonging this. Just deny it, leave it at that and Babydoll's 15 minutes will be over in 5. Instead I have now heard Tommy's attorney on three talk shows keeping this dead horse alive.
Yes. The problems with OPS are at least these:
1. Adding two fractions that have different denominators (without first converting to a common denominator) doesn't make sense. It's like adding 2/4 and 5/9 and saying that the sum is equal to 2 + 5 = 7.
2. Equal weight is placed upon OBP and SLG, even though we have reason to believe that OBP has a greater impact on scoring runs than does SLG. The GPA statistic appears to place different weights on OBP and SLG by multiplying OBP by 1.8
Actually, this analogy is not correct. Strike it from the record.
Instead, Simers wrote something in which he declared his biases. On that level, I don't really have a problem - especially from a columnist/opinion writer, a position that is designed in part to offer biases.
Simers' column certainly shouldn't be taken as the definitive piece on the news, but I didn't really see a problem with it. In the end, he aired out both sides.