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Talk Ain't Cheap
2007-03-07 08:59
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

If you have ever wanted to feel like a major leaguer, here's a quick and easy path.

Get yourself involved in a scandal - surely, that's easy enough to do - and then, when someone asks you about it, say something that doesn't … quite … fly.

It could be a quote you regret a moment later, or that you didn't believe even as you were saying it. Or, like Michael Scott on The Office, you could be completely oblivious as your foot goes deeper into your mouth. However it goes, you are qualified to be a tempest in an MLB teapot. Because, let's face it, these people have agents, managers, publicists, wives - they can get some of the best advice there is to get - and still boot the moment.

While most fans and reporters know that the court of public opinion is not the same as a court of law, few can resist the urge to glean deep truths from the statements of the scandal-stricken. As a result, anything short of an unqualified declaration of innocence leaves the media target trapped in speculation and innuendo.

Every week, it seems, we do the dance. Last week, America tangoed with Angels outfielder Gary Matthews, Jr. and Rangers utilityman Jerry Hairston, Jr., alleged to have received human growth hormone from a mail-order pharmacy in 2004, as well as Dodger spiritual leader Tommy Lasorda, alleged to have had hormone issues of another kind entirely.

Of the three, Hairston was the only one to douse the media fire without having to call 911.

"I have never taken steroids ever," Hairston told reporters. "I have never taken anything illegal. Period. I want to squash that right now."

Hairston's response exuded innocence. Moreover, it warded off the nagging follow-up questions that can lock a player uncomfortably in the spotlight. While his statement is not proof that his conduct has been aboveboard, unless any firm incriminating evidence emerges, Hairston's words stand as the last word.

Earlier in the week, in response to allegations in a new book by convicted madam Jody "Babydol" Gibson that he paid for sex, Lasorda began down a similar path to Hairston's.

"I have never heard of this woman and don't know why she would accuse me of something like this," said Lasorda, the former Dodger manager and current special advisor to team owner/chairman Frank McCourt, in an initial statement.

Again, though Lasorda's words only lined up his he-said next to Gibson's she-said, Lasorda benefited from being clear. Considering that Lasorda's sex life is probably something that the U.S. Congress will feel grateful to ignore, this probably the only response he needed to render the conversation moot.

Sure, some people will exploit the salaciousness no matter what, but no worse than anything Lasorda would have experienced in six decades of locker-room talk.

However, Lasorda went a step further in his response, adding that if Gibson "prints these lies, I intend to sue." Lasorda is not the first person to threaten a retaliatory lawsuit, and in fact, many media consumers expect as much. Unfortunately, even though a lawsuit might be a reasonable response, it is not always a sensible one in the face of legal costs and/or expected outcomes.

So a couple of days later, when Lasorda told the Times that he probably would not sue, he reopened the door for speculation against him. In essence, Lasorda changed his story, and that didn't serve him well. It didn't change the reality of whether he is guilty or not, or how much his guilt matters, but it did allow fans and reporters who saw the subsequent report to believe that he is backpedaling.

There's no law that says you have to care about public opinion. But if you do, then every statement you make needs to be clear and to the point - precise without being overstated. Otherwise, you're going to let the public write its own truth.

This brings us to Matthews, who can only hope that the law will save him, because in the news cycle, he was sinking.

Confronted with accusations that, from a legal standpoint, might not be much more foreboding than Lasorda's - investigators alleged Matthews received an HGH shipment the year before MLB banned the substance, a scenario that may allow him to earn immunity from prosecutors in exchange for testimony against bigger-fish suppliers - Matthews still faced a baseball world wondering whether he transgressed on his way to a career-best year in 2006, a performance that keyed his five-year, $50 million contract from the Angels.

Matthews' initial response, presumably the best he could offer under the circumstances, was not reassuring. He said he was not "in a position to answer any questions" without saying why, leaving it for others to fill in the blanks.

Statements in the ensuing days only seemed muddle matters further.

"When I get more information from my people I can say more," Matthews added. "If I don't have all the information, it puts me in a bad position."

Some people no doubt are thinking that Matthews' people should be getting information from him.

Before the week was over, Angels manager Mike Scioscia and owner Arte Moreno were notably impatient with Matthews' response, expressing that the longer it took for Matthews to issue a definitive response, the worse it looked. By the weekend, after Hairston's on-point quotes made Matthews look even worse by comparison, Matthews retained crisis management firm Sitrick and Co., Los Angeles' most famous public-relations mop-up unit. (Sitrick's motto: "If you don't tell your story, someone else will tell it for you.")

To think, even if he couldn't offer a straight denial, Matthews could have avoided most of these verbal gymnastics by just saying, "It's a legal matter, and I wish I could comment but I'm not allowed to." He could have taken himself all but out of the public dialogue - unless someone like his general manager, Bill Stoneman, picked at the scab.

Oh wait - that's exactly what happened in today's editions of the Times.

"We've made it clear to (Matthews) that we want him to make a statement," Stoneman said. "We've encouraged him to get the facts out, get his side of the story out, whatever that story is. I understand that when lawyers get involved they generally tell you to be quiet about things. That doesn't address the public side of it."

The subtext of Stoneman's statement is fury, because surely, Stoneman realizes that at this point, Matthews would have declared his innocence if his legal situation wasn't, at a minimum, nuanced. Matthews falling on his sword is all well and good, but with a government investigation underway and his fate still negotiable, it should be understood that there is a limit to what it's prudent for Matthews to say. As the Times points out today, a still-avoidable conviction against Matthews could add jail time and extend his MLB suspension from 50 to 80 games.

When Hollywood celebrities such as Mel Gibson, Michael Richards of Seinfeld or Isaiah Washington of Grey's Anatomy make a mess with offensive behavior, the path to public rehabilitation - 1) contrition, 2) seclusion, 3) Barbara Walters - is so well-traveled, it might as well be called a freeway. For baseball players, the roadmap is less clear, which makes the first turn all the more important.

Ultimately, we could learn that Hairston is more guilty of crimes against baseball or the law than Matthews is. It simply can't be emphasized enough that the truth of what these players did is more important than the truth of what they said.

But that won't ease the upcoming days and weeks for Matthews. And it's a lesson for celebrities of any ilk: Be innocent or be ready. Don't wing it. If you've done anything wrong, anything that might in a faraway galaxy be construed as wrong, start preparing your public defense now. Because if you don't find it convincing, few will.

Don't leave it for the public to fill in the blanks, because the public will take its No. 2 pencil and blacken the wrong bubbles.

You might think that you don't care what the average citizen thinks. Maybe you shouldn't have to care. But you probably do.

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2007-03-07 09:40:56
1.   D4P
the path to public rehabilitation - 1) contrition, 2) seclusion, 3) Barbara Walters

How cynical of you...

2007-03-07 09:41:35
2.   bigcpa
The good news for Stoneman is that he just got a free pass when Matthews regresses to the journeyman he is.
2007-03-07 09:42:49
3.   Steve
Exactly. Stoneman got a huge get out of jail free card and will not be shy about playing it.
2007-03-07 09:47:04
4.   bigcpa
BTW- if anyone is pondering a trip to Vero this month... I have an extra pair of infield box seats for Thurs 3/15 7:05pm vs. Nationals. Turns out I'm going to the other half of the split squad in Jupiter.
2007-03-07 09:48:48
5.   Jon Weisman
2/3 - Free? I get what you're saying, but I still see a $50 million pricetag attached, minus refunded suspension dollars.

The news of this month doesn't change how suspicious Stoneman should have been of Matthews' ability, even if Matthews is innocent. I don't think the press or fans will let Stoneman off the hook - especially when they're tending toward criticism of him for his work of the past couple of years.

Like Colletti, Stoneman's fate depends more on how well the prospects perform than anything.

2007-03-07 09:54:59
6.   El Lay Dave
When Hollywood celebrities ... make a mess with offensive behavior, the path to public rehabilitation - 1) contrition, 2) seclusion, 3) Barbara Walters - is so well-traveled, it might as well be called a freeway.

Apparently it is so successful, scandalized politicians and religious leaders (you know the examples) are using it too.

1 Is it cynicism if it's true?

2007-03-07 09:57:22
7.   bigcpa
5 Look at it this way... if Beltre's name was on the pharmacy list, wouldn't Bill Bavasi save some face?
2007-03-07 09:57:24
8.   El Lay Dave
"Matthews ... has been advised by his attorney, Robert Shapiro, ..."

Hmmm, where have we heard that name before?

2007-03-07 09:59:39
9.   El Lay Dave
Two more baseball players, former reliever John Rocker and veteran third baseman David Bell, were linked to the scandal Tuesday

Getting messier (John Rocker!? Just when you thought you heard the last of the guy). Also, ends the "Jr."s only phenomenon.

2007-03-07 10:00:01
10.   Steve
The fans will be less forgiving. The tinny "arf" of the media lapdogs, on the other hand, will always be a constant. (paraphrase)
2007-03-07 10:00:50
11.   El Lay Dave
7 A little. But hardly for free.
2007-03-07 10:02:28
12.   Jon Weisman
7 - Nothing significant, in my opinion. It's not as if foreign substances were invented in 2007. It was something to be wary of back then.

And for all his flaws, Beltre was a better investment than Matthews. So I think the situations compare that well. In any case, I'm not sure that fans care about GMs being duped. I think they expect GMs to know better.

2007-03-07 10:07:36
13.   El Lay Dave
Article at SI.com
http://tinyurl.com/yo7ks8
2007-03-07 10:17:37
14.   still bevens
Penny is off to a horrible, horrible start. God bless meaningless spring games. I'm not as annoyed with the hit parade so much as the lack of first pitch strikes.
2007-03-07 10:21:15
15.   adraymond
And DHing for the Cards, one Rick Ankiel.
2007-03-07 10:21:50
16.   underdog
Yeah, yikes, I just tuned in. What's up with Penny? Is he experimenting with a new pitch or just rusty? We need him to be good, either for us, or to trade him high. ;-)
2007-03-07 10:23:11
17.   underdog
Loney's starting in RF, btw.
2007-03-07 10:23:28
18.   underdog
And Nomar gets his first hit of the spring.
2007-03-07 10:24:10
19.   Sam DC
Hah -- this mini-liveblog of the first half inning of the Nationals' game v. the Astros is pretty funny, and provides a pretty good window into what Nationals fans have to look forward to this season. Note, that "Pledge Your Allegiance" is the team's marketing catchphrase this year.

http://tinyurl.com/37blwe

2007-03-07 10:27:17
20.   StolenMonkey86
the YouTube video Josh links to at ItD is amazing.
2007-03-07 10:31:01
21.   D4P
I was going to give my two cents on Penny, but decided it's not worth it...
2007-03-07 10:32:48
22.   underdog
Penny's getting killed today. Bring on Kuo!
2007-03-07 10:33:57
23.   D4P
You'd think Penny would rethink the "fastball down the middle" strategy at some point
2007-03-07 10:36:10
24.   Hallux Valgus
19-
"(Note: From my seat in the press box, I cannot see the batter, the third baseman, the shortstop's upper body, the second baseman's upper body, the left fielder or the right fielder. There will be a lot of hearsay involved in today's game accounts, but put that aside.)"

I can't for the life of me picture the configuration that would provide for such a view

2007-03-07 10:37:43
25.   underdog
U-g-l-y, we ain't got no alibi. Gonna turn the audio off of this one now.
2007-03-07 10:37:52
26.   LAT
Esentially what Matthews and most people in crises do is hold hoping an escape hatch materializes. (Exhibit "A" = Kobe). Ironically, Stoneman will do the same thing. He too will hold on hoping Mattews plays well enough to bail him out.

Memo to Bill: Ain't gonna happen.

2007-03-07 10:40:11
27.   Xeifrank
is Guo slated to pitch today? Hopefully, Penny's slopiness doesn't rub off on him.
vr, Xei
2007-03-07 10:56:06
28.   still bevens
Hong Chi gives up a HR to the first batter, so perhaps it is contagious. What a horrible game.
2007-03-07 11:04:24
29.   Jose Habib
Little article about Chin-Lung Hu today:
http://www.presstelegram.com/dodgers/ci_5371098

Jon, you might want to add the Press-Telegram's Dodger site to your sidebar along with the other papers:
http://www.presstelegram.com/dodgers

2007-03-07 11:12:08
30.   MollyKnight
29- Diamond Leung (of the Press Enterprise) is a phenomenal writer, and a really nice guy. He may be the only beat writer who has ever gone out of his way to show me the ropes.

Jon, very eloquently put. Matthews looks guilty as hell.

2007-03-07 11:13:54
31.   Steve
Joe Posnanski's recap of the Jermaine Dye for Neifi Perez trade (not to mention just his general view of Neifi Perez) is hilarious.
2007-03-07 11:15:54
32.   Jon Weisman
29 - The Press-Telegram mainly runs Tony Jackson's Daily News articles.
2007-03-07 11:18:19
33.   Steve
Those are bad enough the first time around without syndication.
2007-03-07 11:20:11
34.   Jose Habib
32 - Oh yeah, you're right. In fact the two websites are almost identical.
2007-03-07 11:21:58
35.   scareduck
10 - The tinny "arf" of the media lapdogs, on the other hand, will always be a constant. (paraphrase)

Who is it you're paraphrasing? The LA press is more like a blind doberman: biting every hand within reach that doesn't first try to feed it.

2007-03-07 11:28:32
36.   Suffering Bruin
Be innocent or be ready. Don't wing it.

That is exactly--I mean, word for word--what my union rep told me when three kids minsconstrued something I said and got their parents and administrators involved. I was going to speak my peace but:

a) the union rep was bigger than me and held me back from going to what I was told was an angry meeting and

b) the words in bold above stopped me in my tracks.

His point was this: I thought--hell, I knew--that I was innocent but that it didn't matter very much if I was going to wing it in a meeting where everyone involved assumed I was guilty until proven innocent. I'm fine, the kids are now fine with me... the situation just kind of went away. In retrospect, the union rep couldn't have been more right--had I went into that meeting, I would've made things worse.

2007-03-07 11:32:04
37.   D4P
Be innocent or be ready

Does this mean "Be innocent or be ready to lie" ...?

2007-03-07 11:33:22
38.   Jon Weisman
36 - Really, word for word? I thought I made that up.
2007-03-07 11:38:19
39.   Linkmeister
The other line that's justifiably famous and entirely sensible is:

"It ain't the crime, it's the cover-up."

Straightforwardness is implicit in that simple recommendation.

2007-03-07 11:39:49
40.   Benaiah
What is going on in the game? Gameday is frozen. Kuo did a lot better in his second inning, Penny scares me.
2007-03-07 11:40:02
41.   adraymond
Sammy returns. A welcome sight.
2007-03-07 11:45:09
42.   Benaiah
40 - Never mind, I can see now. Saito came in and did his thing (no Ks though), but we still can't score.
2007-03-07 11:48:15
43.   underdog
Well at least Saito and Broxton pitched well. Still 7-0 last I heard. Loney has two hits.

Tomorrow is another day...

2007-03-07 11:48:34
44.   goblue1
More fuel to the Nomar 3B fire today.

Loney 2 more hits, LaRoche 1 more Error.

2007-03-07 11:52:41
45.   Sam DC
From espn.com

Jeff (LA): Why was Clayton Kershaw ranked higher than Scott Elbert on the Top 100 prospect list?

Jim Callis: (2:12 PM ET ) Same stuff but with more polish.

2007-03-07 11:56:16
46.   LAT
Be innocent or be ready or just own it.

It worked for Hugh Grant. It worked for Charlie Sheen. Sometimes the "I'm sorry, I screwed up" thing actually works.

(I recognize Matthews may not have this option or that its a $55M option but Stoneman isn't going to void the contract. The Union won't let him and he'd look as stupid as he actually is for signing him in the first place. Stoneman will hope and pray that Matthews has a good season.)

The only way the LAA don't wind up with egg on their face is if Artie voids the contract and fires Stoneman.

2007-03-07 11:58:14
47.   ToyCannon
Loney has also butchered 3 plays in the OF. Nomar has made two fine plays at 1b. Of course this is based on our radio team so take it all with a grain of salt.
I wonder if the suicide rate increases in LA when Rick Monday is doing radio?
2007-03-07 12:11:56
48.   Bumsrap
Very well written opener to this thread Jon but why start something on drugs so soon after opening the thread on Nomar moving to third, maybe?

And, maybe everybody could put all Dodger related posts in bold so that they can be easier to find.

2007-03-07 12:13:53
49.   underdog
48 "Very well written opener to this thread Jon but why start something on drugs so soon after opening the thread on Nomar moving to third, maybe?"

I don't think Jon wrote that on drugs, though maybe the Dodgers defense will drive many of us to start taking them if it continues in regular season. ;-)

2007-03-07 12:15:33
50.   Bumsrap
49, How can something that barely exists make us do something as harsh as taking drugs?
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2007-03-07 12:21:43
51.   bhsportsguy
I am not sure where this thought about voiding contracts came from but if the Warriors could not void Sprewell's contract after he attacked his coach, I am pretty sure that the Angels cannot void Matthews' contract on a suspicion of performance enhancing drugs.

Also since the collective bargaining agreement already addresses penalties for this type of drug use, I don't think teams can act unilaterally and void it. Now the Angels can go Kevin Appier and Russ Ortiz (just for you Bob) and waive him and pay him off but there is no way they do that.

2007-03-07 12:25:45
52.   El Lay Dave
"Talk Ain't Cheap" ... and those rumors ain't nice ...

46 David Bell owns it, sort of.
Bell acknowledges receiving the shipment but tells SI the drug was prescribed to him "for a medical condition," which he declined to disclose, citing his right to privacy.

Flat-out denying it now and getting caught later is also a bad publicity scenario; at least it was for Rafael Palmeiro.

2007-03-07 12:38:29
53.   Terry A
Anybody else catch this headline on CNN.com?

NASA to Brock: 'She's all yours'

2007-03-07 12:38:32
54.   JoeyP
Am I the only commentator on here that doesnt care whether MLB players are on steroids, HGH, or what not?

Its honestly never has bothered me.

The only times it has bothered me were when the player came off of them, and underperformed.

2007-03-07 12:38:39
55.   underdog
Travis Smith, we have some lovely parting gifts for you. Thank you so much for playing!
2007-03-07 12:39:25
56.   chazmac138
I don't care that it's a spring training game but I am sick and tired of being the Cardinals whipping boy!
2007-03-07 12:41:05
57.   Gen3Blue
Well, someones having a worse day than I am, namely T. Smith!
2007-03-07 12:47:42
58.   bhsportsguy
54 I probably wouldn't go as far as I don't care about it but I think that what MLB has to do is to construct the toughest testing policies (random, blood, etc.), hold samples for future tests for substances that are not detectable at this time and make the penalties retroactive to those tests.

And basically tell the players if they want to play baseball, these are the rules. That is the only way to get the story contained.

That won't help Gary Matthews but I think that taking stand like that would be Selig's legacy.

2007-03-07 12:48:18
59.   Sushirabbit
Nice title. Let's go play.
2007-03-07 12:53:24
60.   LAT
51. I believe most contracts include a representation by the player that they are not taking performance drugs. I assume they also represent they will not take them in the future. In this day and age this is a material representation upon which the team relies. If this representation is made with an intent to induce the team to enter into the contract and turns out to be false that is fraud and the contract can be voided or reformed. I believe this was the riff over Giambi. His agent asked that the Yankees delete the steroid clause which they did. As such, no misrepresentation existed and there was nothing they could do.

There was talk of the Lakers voiding Radmanovic's contract for breach. Why would this be any different?

2007-03-07 12:53:24
61.   underdog
Who the heck is Montero and why is he pitching? Er maybe because it's a rout already so who cares? Let's reboot and start over at 4pm Pacific in the other SS game, and hope for a less embarrassing result. Good thing these games are pretty meaningless.
2007-03-07 12:56:04
62.   Sushirabbit
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If interested email at my nickname @yahoo.com (the name up there to the right of the number of the post) interested.

2007-03-07 12:57:26
63.   D4P
I don't particularly care about PED use. I think I'd care more if I thought the probability of users getting caught was close to 1.0, but I think it's much closer to zero. As it is, it seems unlikely that players who take traceable drugs are going to get caught, much less those who take untraceable drugs.

As a result, I have very little faith in "the system," which makes me not want to care much about it.

2007-03-07 12:57:41
64.   underdog
62 I'd jump in but I'm still recovering from my DT fantasy football disastrous season. And won't have enough time to devote to putting together a good team through the season. Good luck though!
2007-03-07 13:01:21
65.   chazmac138
54

I'm with you for the most part, guys juicing so as to improve their performance, really has no bearing on me. If they want to put themselves at risk for the sake of their wallets and my entertainment, who am I to complain?
The problem lies with the integrity of the game. You have a bunch of people who couldn't care one way or the other if guys are roid'n and you have a bunch of people who think it is the worst possible thing you can do in the game. There is no happy medium so I am indifferent to the whole mess. I just like players and hate players. Plain and simple. If I found out a player I liked was on something (Mark McGwire for example), it doesn't necessarily lessen my opinion of him. What McGwire and Sosa did to revive national interest in baseball in the mid-90's factors into the way I feel about McGwire as a whole. As for another known user, one Barry Bonds, I hate him just because he's Barry Bonds. While I always respected his abilities as a player, his personality on and off the field, I could do without. I formed that opinion a loooooooong time ago. When it came to light that he was juicing, it just gave me yet another reason not to like the guy. It was almost a freebie!
I guess what I am saying is that every single steroid case is unique and we need to view them that way instead of making blanket statements that encompass every offender under one umbrella of shame.

2007-03-07 13:10:07
66.   LAT
I care about PEDs for a number of reasons:

1. Kids. Enough said.

2. Barry is a user breaking Aaron's record who wasn't.

3. Why should those players not willing to use them be forced to. Example: If I am better than average and everyone below average can bring themself up to me though PED why should I have to take them to regain my advantge.

4. Health reasons

2007-03-07 13:11:06
67.   D4P
The problem lies with the integrity of the game

This phrase gets used a lot, but for me, it doesn't have much meaning. I sometimes think "Wow, it kinda sucks that steroid users are breaking old baseball records." But then I think, who's to say the old record-holders were pure as the undriven snow, and even if they were, do I really care that much about records? Do they really have any significance in my life?

2007-03-07 13:15:04
68.   Xeifrank
Still 3 or 4 spots open in both the H2H and Roto 5x5 Friends of Dodger Thoughts yahoo fantasy baseball league. Live drafts will be next week. Email me for invite.
vr, Xei
xeifrank@yahoo.com
2007-03-07 13:18:51
69.   Jon Weisman
67 - "Do they really have any significance in my life?"

No more than Jennifer Hudson winning an Oscar :)

2007-03-07 13:19:17
70.   adraymond
9 hits, all singles this afternoon, if the MLB box score is to be trusted. i know this isn't a home run hitting team but a double would be nice.
2007-03-07 13:20:44
71.   D4P
69
Jennifer who...?
2007-03-07 13:24:02
72.   underdog
So who else is pitching for the Dodgers in the other game? Stults and then...? Hopefully they can muster more balance (i.e., more offense, less runs allowed).
2007-03-07 13:25:37
73.   JoeyP
I'll play again xeifrank.
2007-03-07 13:26:42
74.   chazmac138
67.
"Integrity of the game" is a phrase that can be comprehended many different ways. It just depends on your specific outlook. What are the important aspects of baseball to you personally? Much like if someone asked you what the best Beatles album ever recorded was.......there is no right or wrong answer.
I'm with you on records not having significance in my life. Am I not going to be able to sleep at night because Bonds breaks Aaron's record? Of course not, I have 60 hour a week job that pretty much takes that option away from me. Will I be disappointed or disgusted? Of Course! But that's only because it's Barry Bonds and I don't like him. If it was someone else who used PED's at one time or another in their career I don't think I would really have a problem with it. Nobody will forget Hank Aaron or his record or better yet, the prejudice and obstacles he had to overcome to be one of the greatest. Bonds passing him will not tarnish his accomplishments or make the public forget anything. It's just a new number to remember as far as I'm concerned.Then in a few years we can all celebrate when stupid A-rod breaks Bonds' record!
2007-03-07 13:28:02
75.   Bumsrap
65,54

If baseball shared your views the only players that would be playing were the ones that were willing to damage their long-term health, shrink their balls, put gaps in their teeth, etc.

What about great athletics that couldn't make the show because they refused to sacrifice their body/health?

2007-03-07 13:31:54
76.   Gen3Blue
I couldn't find Montero even among the non-roster invitees, must be fairly new. (And getting old fast)
2007-03-07 13:33:31
77.   D4P
If baseball shared your views the only players that would be playing were the ones that were willing to damage their long-term health, shrink their balls, put gaps in their teeth, etc.

Who says that hasn't generally been the case for a long time now?

2007-03-07 13:33:47
78.   LAT
"put gaps in their teeth"

What is that? Do your teeth space because your head gets bigger or something?

2007-03-07 13:37:17
79.   JoeyP
Why should those players not willing to use them be forced to?

If PEDs were ever proven to not be as harmful as some think, would that change your mind?

As an example: Why should those not willing to go to graduate school, be forced to bc everyone else is getting masters degrees?

In my opinion, its all about having personal freedom to better your own self, and to what extent/risks you're willing to take to achieve it.

Sure, some guys would probably decide that pro sports wasnt for them, if they knew they had to enhance themselves to do it. But is that really a bad thing?

2007-03-07 13:38:48
80.   goblue1
Loney on base 4 more times.
He has to be a regular.
1B is probably the best way.
2007-03-07 13:41:26
81.   JoeyP
If baseball shared your views the only players that would be playing were the ones that were willing to damage their long-term health,

Well in the NFL, that is already the case. The ones that are playing, ARE willing to damage their long-term health. They are sacrificing their future health (by taking so many hits, constantly lifting/conditioning, etc), to live the good life right now.

I say good for them.

2007-03-07 13:42:50
82.   Sushirabbit
Man I can't wait till the season starts. Maybe that's why I can't sleep. 2-4 hours a night gets old about the 2nd night. Seems like I'd have more time for playing with Fonts, too. :-)
2007-03-07 13:45:00
83.   goblue1
81
you say one of our best prospects is a "spare part" so pretty much anything you say can be discounted as jiberish as far as I can tell.
2007-03-07 13:47:04
84.   CanuckDodger
80 -- JoeyP has already traded Loney for a DH. I am sure he will notify Colletti forthwith.
2007-03-07 13:47:39
85.   underdog
Sorry if this was mentioned before, but Bruce Jenkins in the SF Chron today wrote about a few key baseball players and situations going into this season in the National League, starting off with Brad Penny:
http://tinyurl.com/2ayhvr
"So your big right-hander tied for the league lead in wins, but he might be your No. 3 starter at best. He saved his best stuff of the season for the All-Star Game, then faded down the stretch. He can be overpowering, but he's also a pill.

What do the Dodgers do with Brad Penny?

Trade him, if they're smart. According to sources around the club, Penny tends to be at his finest when it doesn't really matter. He tends to question and berate teammates in full view of the public. With Derek Lowe, Jason Schmidt and Randy Wolf considered the most valued starters on the staff, and the team crying out for a power hitter, general manager Ned Colletti has an obvious move to make -- if he can find the right deal."

And, as if on cue, Penny was pounded today.

2007-03-07 13:49:17
86.   underdog
85 Btw, Jenkins sometimes comments based on last year's news without fully knowing the latest while also frequently picking on the Dodgers. (To take care of both, last year he once wrote about them dismissively without seeming to be clued into the state of their farm system. He's since corrected that at least.)
2007-03-07 13:51:35
87.   Sam DC
83: No need to get personal!
2007-03-07 13:51:53
88.   Sam DC
A game:

http://www.nbc.com/The_Office/justforfun/quotes.shtml

2007-03-07 13:52:12
89.   CanuckDodger
83 -- Not to defend JoeyP's unwarranted, and long-standing, disrespect for Loney, but right now Loney's role on the Dodgers does seem to be that of "spare part," at least until Nomar strains or pulls something, which should be any day now.
2007-03-07 13:52:21
90.   Steve
Yay! Whisper campaign! Juan Pierre wears women's underwear!
2007-03-07 13:55:54
91.   Gen3Blue
80 It looks like the D's will need Loney's bat whether or not his power comes this year.
2007-03-07 13:59:26
92.   LAT
I am not for trading Penny anytime soon. Let's get into the season, see what we need, what others need and what's available. The market is pretty well set for a while. By late May or early June deals will shake out. Anyway, its not like his value is especially high right now.
2007-03-07 13:59:50
93.   Bob Timmermann
But then I think, who's to say the old record-holders were pure as the undriven snow

Actually, the phrase should be "driven snow."

Shakespeare uses the term in "A Winter's Tale."

It comes from this meaning of "driven" according to the OED:

driven, ppl., a.
2. Of snow: Carried along and gathered into heaps by the wind; drifted.

2007-03-07 14:01:21
94.   CanuckDodger
90 -- Meh, it worked for Tim Robbins in Bull Durham.
2007-03-07 14:02:00
95.   goblue1
89
Maybe, but the line-up may not be set in stone just yet. Lots of times guys earn and loose jobs pretty quickly in March/April, brittle infielders not withstanding.
2007-03-07 14:03:02
96.   Steve
James Loney has cooties! CanuckDodger is really from France!
2007-03-07 14:03:18
97.   Jon Weisman
85 - "He tends to question and berate teammates in full view of the public."

I read this last night. I can recall the one incident with Lofton. Were there any others that justify this evolving into "tends to question and berate"?

83 - If someone else started this and I missed it, I apologize, but in any case, please review the code of conduct guidelines on the right-hand sidebar.

2007-03-07 14:06:56
98.   goblue1
97

good call, sorry- it was a knee jerk reaction post.

2007-03-07 14:09:46
99.   Steve
Stand back, now, I'm going for the mother of them all:

Brad Penny is a slightly-above-league-average-starting-pitcher pitcher!

I know. It's a rough world out there.

2007-03-07 14:11:06
100.   D4P
Actually, the phrase should be "driven snow."

Yeah, but I don't like that phrase. It makes me think of snow that has been driven on by (e.g.) cars, which doesn't seem nearly as "pure" to me as snow that has not been driven on by cars.

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2007-03-07 14:14:16
101.   Bob Timmermann
In a battle of words between D4P and Shakespeare, I'm picking Shakespeare.
2007-03-07 14:15:34
102.   Benaiah
97 - That is a quote from another source though. I don't see how that can be a rule violation.

Penny scares me, because if he isn't very significantly improved from the end of last year than he is a #5 pitcher, but I don't think there is enough reason to question his character. If he could bring Rocco Balldelli into the fold then I would trade him in a second.

2007-03-07 14:18:35
103.   Jon Weisman
102 - The warning referred to 83. Anyway, it's already water under the bridge.
2007-03-07 14:19:13
104.   underdog
101 What about Shakespug? (Anyone reading Get Fuzzy lately?)
2007-03-07 14:20:36
105.   D4P
In a battle of words between D4P and Shakespeare, I'm picking Shakespeare

A dead man tells no tales...

2007-03-07 14:21:32
106.   underdog
97 I dunno - I was wondering that myself. I feel like there was one other incident, where he was po'd with Grady and/or Rick Honeycutt, but can't remember details on that, either. At any rate, I think Jenkins comments on things without having first-hand knowledge of them, and in this case I actually feel like Penny seems like a new guy this year (both happier and more trimmed down), too. Hopefully he'll show that on the mound soon, spring training or no...
2007-03-07 14:22:20
107.   trainwreck
102
Penny for Baldelli then trade Pierre to Marlins and we eat half his contract.
2007-03-07 14:22:38
108.   Steve
D4P, what did they call this when Kirk Gibson did it? I can't remember the word.
2007-03-07 14:22:56
109.   Benaiah
I just noticed that 30 Rock is going away after tomorrow and is replaced by Andy Barker, P.I. I wonder what NBC is up to. Will all of these shows be together at the end of the season? Those comedies can't be all that great a lead in to ER (which I bet still gets more viewers than any of the comedies).
2007-03-07 14:24:28
110.   Benaiah
Oops. He he. I guess I should read more carefully (though based on the number of typos in my posts, I should probably write more carefully too).
2007-03-07 14:26:25
111.   D4P
D4P, what did they call this when Kirk Gibson did it?

What did that call what when Kirk Gibson did what...?

2007-03-07 14:27:15
112.   Steve
I will quote:

"He tends to question and berate teammates in full view of the public."

2007-03-07 14:27:47
113.   bhsportsguy
All I want from Spring Training is for guys not to get hurt, period.

21 years ago, in the last few days of spring training when one of my favorites and the best player on the team, Pedro Guerrero, ruptured his tendon sliding.

The Dodgers were done and the season had not started yet.

So first, no injuries, second, how are the guys who were hurt last year doing physically?

Third concern is how the prospects are doing against MLB pitching or hitters, respectively.

As far as actual performance, until you can take your spring stats with you when the season starts, I don't pay that much attention to them.

But again, this is only my take.

2007-03-07 14:31:53
114.   D4P
112
Ah, I see. Yes, well, I believe the word was something along the lines of "leadership".
2007-03-07 14:33:28
115.   underdog
113 I totally agree.

--

On a different subject, for those 4 of us who care, the only way to see Big West conference tourney games this week is to watch them on the web by paying for BigWestTV (and not if you have a Mac), and then if you're one of the like 3 cable services in the country that offer ESPNU for Friday's games, and then if you still care, the championship game Saturday is on ESPN2 at least. BigWestTV? ESPNU? I paid extra to get Fox Sports Net Pacific and they're not covering it either.

2007-03-07 14:34:02
116.   CajunDodger
107
I think something smaller is more likely. Something like Repko to the Marlins or Tomko the the Jays. There are just too many decent/good players and only a few spots between here and Vegas.

How great would it be, though to have Baldelli?

2007-03-07 14:38:36
117.   Steve
passion? joie de vivre?
2007-03-07 14:39:56
118.   Benaiah
Psst. Penny's weight loss is really due to drug use and not a fruit diet. Pass it on.
2007-03-07 14:43:13
119.   underdog
118 I thought it was due to his wearing tight panties? (Eliza Dushku's.) Pssst, pass it on!
2007-03-07 14:45:08
120.   trainwreck
Woo hoo! I get ESPNU thanks to my FCS package.
2007-03-07 14:47:43
121.   Benaiah
119 - I heard it was because he was uncomfortable with the way he looked while Greg Maddux was peeing on him in the shower.
2007-03-07 14:47:51
122.   trainwreck
Why does anyone care if John Rocker took HGH?
2007-03-07 14:48:55
123.   trainwreck
Brad Penny always comes in the best supposed shape and then he gets fatter and fatter as he starts throwing more fastballs.
2007-03-07 14:50:55
124.   adraymond
122
Because he's on Pros vs. Joes.
2007-03-07 14:51:09
125.   El Lay Dave
Late thought: Gary Matthews Jr. could have gone the Ted Haggard route, "I did order those PEDs, but I never took them; I changed my mind and threw them away."
2007-03-07 14:51:22
126.   LAT
123. He doesn't get fatter just his pitches do.
2007-03-07 14:52:27
127.   underdog
123 I think you've misunderstood. It's actually that Penny's fastballs get fatter and fatter.

120 >Sob!<

2007-03-07 14:52:31
128.   LAT
125 Did Ted Haggard have the PED taking jump in performance like Matthews?
2007-03-07 14:53:19
129.   D4P
passion? joie de vivre?

Yes. Fire, will to win, etc.

2007-03-07 14:57:01
130.   trainwreck
Gary Matthews should just say he took the HGH for cosmetic purposes.
2007-03-07 14:58:03
131.   overkill94
I hope a new thread doesn't open up right after I give this recap:

So today was my first day in Vero Beach watching our beloved Dodgers from some fine seats pretty close to the Dodgers' dugout. Here are my pseudo-scientific observations and impressions from today's game...

1. Penny was throwing decently hard, but everything was up in the zone and he didn't seem to be hitting the corners. His change-up actually looked quite good but he used it sparingly. Curveball looked decent, but didn't quite have its normal break.

2. Kuo seemed to be throwing harder than Penny, but it might have just been an illusion. The homer he gave up was wind-aided and should have been a warning track fly ball. Some of the balls called on his walk to Miles were quite questionable, but overall his control was a bit shaky in his first inning. Had some trouble spotting his curveball.

3. Saito and Broxton looked like they were in midseason form, but the scrubs (Smith and Montero) looked pretty scrubby. Tsao had some good life on his fastball but didn't show much of a secondary pitch.

4. Loney had a lot of trouble in RF today. His first mishap was a short pop-up that he got no jump on and might have lost in the sun - either way it looked bad. The 2nd was a gapper that he took a bad angle on and could have caught with a normal route. The 3rd was a slicing fly ball down the line that he completely overran and landed about 10 feet behind him.

5. The offense hit a good amount of long line drives, but they always seemed to go right at the outfielders. Loney made solid contact on all his hits though they were all ground ball singles. LaRoche has a true power swing, but he kept hitting the top of the ball and chopping it toward 3B. Damian Jackson looked terrible at the plate, continuously second-guessing himself and check-swinging on good pitches.

6. The error called on LaRoche should have been given to Kent since the throw was probably shin-high and Kent just plain dropped it. I'm assuming it was a veteran call to give the error to the rookie.

7. Hu made a great diving stop on a grounder up the middle, managing to get a force on the play. He hit the ball hard both times but came up empty.

8. Got autographs from Loney and Hu after the game and a picture with Loney who was an extremely nice guy and signed more than anyone else after the game.

If anyone has any more requests for player evaluations, you can e-mail me at karl.hungus at gmail.com or continue to comment and hopefully I'll catch your question.

2007-03-07 15:01:49
132.   El Lay Dave
128 You should have seen the frantic, fired-up preaching when Ted was hopped up on the meth! Donations were up a hundredfold!
2007-03-07 15:02:29
133.   trainwreck
Thanks for the write up. I never thought Loney could move well enough to be a good corner outfielder and I wish we would just play him at first.

Karl Hungus ayyy.

2007-03-07 15:03:27
134.   trainwreck
I am just going to pretend that is overkill's real name.
2007-03-07 15:05:59
135.   overkill94
134 You didn't know that the Coen brothers based that character on me?
2007-03-07 15:06:23
136.   underdog
131 That's great, OK! Thanks for the recap. Sorry your first one was such a bad game, but sounds like you still got a lot out of it. Hope the next one(s) go better.
2007-03-07 15:06:58
137.   trainwreck
We had two small earthquakes this morning and one was centered in my city if Walnut Creek. That makes three in less than a weeks time in this area.

Think that means a big one is coming?

2007-03-07 15:07:23
138.   underdog
135 What, Uli Kunkel was taken?
2007-03-07 15:07:54
139.   trainwreck
135
How can a cable man afford to go Vero Beach?
2007-03-07 15:08:15
140.   trainwreck
*to go to Vero Beach
2007-03-07 15:10:26
141.   bhsportsguy
131 Thanks, I still need to go to VB, I guess 2008 will be busy going out there. :)

In today's notes, Penny said he was working on a 2-seam fastball and wasn't throwing particularly hard by design, he said he felt fine after his outing.

I wouldn't worry about guys like Smith and Montereo, they probably won't be pitching next week.

Ned mentioned today on the radio that aside from La Roche and Miller, he has been impressed with Tsao and that he may have a spot in the bullpen when the team come homes from Vero Beach.

2007-03-07 15:11:39
142.   bhsportsguy
131 BTW if 1994 is your birth year, I am getting way too old for this.
2007-03-07 15:11:40
143.   El Lay Dave
131 Thanks for the useful and first-hand insights.

3. Ned said on radio this morning that Tsao was one of the pleasant surprises of camp.

4. Not to overvalue defense, but I never liked the idea of playing a significantly superior defender in a postion where he is average or worse - I also hated Wes Parker in the OF. Why give away any advantage, no matter how small?

2007-03-07 15:13:12
144.   El Lay Dave
131 Thanks for the useful and first-hand insights.

3. Ned said on radio this morning that Tsao was one of the pleasant surprises of camp.

4. Not to overvalue defense, but I never liked the idea of significantly superior defender in a postion where he is average or worse - I hated Wes Parker in the OF, too. Why give away any advantage, no matter how small?

2007-03-07 15:14:25
145.   El Lay Dave
Ack! Not only the dreaded double-post, but the uncorrected one appears last!
2007-03-07 15:16:21
146.   El Lay Dave
141 Didn't Ned say something along the lines of La Roche and Miller came to this camp with much better attitudes, i.e., that they have to earn their way to the bigs, not have jobs handed to them?
2007-03-07 15:16:42
147.   trainwreck
Ned say anything else interesting?
2007-03-07 15:24:41
148.   dzzrtRatt
Re Jon's post. I'm very familiar with aspects of Matthews' dilemma. There is always tension between the lawyer and the PR person, between the "get the story out now" advice and the "don't say anything" advice. Lawyers give that advice to all their clients, not just ones they know have done something wrong. And sometimes lawyers tell clients they can't represent them if they persist in talking publicly. Since lawyers are generally scarier than PR people, the lawyers usually win these internal debates. I expect a lot of cotton candy from Sitrick, but Matthews' basic position is not likely to change. Stoneman isn't being quite fair to Matthews in demanding a public display. Matthews owes the Angels a full explanation, and I could see a scenario where they void his contract if he won't participate in an internal investigation or perhaps an MLB probe. But to expect him to talk in public is probably more than they should ask at this stage.

It might be best for both sides if Matthews were just suspended (with pay, I guess) or voluntarily took a leave.

2007-03-07 15:30:30
149.   D4P
Anybody on board with a Gary "The Charge" Matthews moniker...?
2007-03-07 15:36:46
150.   overkill94
139 I seem to get a lot of big tips ;)

142 No, my birth year is 1980, 1994 was just the year when the first Overkill album I ever bought came out. It was actually purchased in 1997.

I still have 4 more games on the schedule and hopefully I'll get to the park earlier to watch some batting practice next time. I took a few pictures today, I'll try to post them somewhere when I get back.

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2007-03-07 15:37:40
151.   natepurcell
i would love for tsao to get a bullpen spot. If hes healthy (looks like he is), he has dominating stuff.
2007-03-07 16:04:32
152.   El Lay Dave
147 It was hard to pick out anything amid the Simers, Simers and Rogin "banter". It's a nearly unlistenable show. They wasted a lot of time uselessly rehashing Drew in non-insightful ways.
2007-03-07 16:05:39
153.   El Lay Dave
151 Plus it would likely mean one more shot veteran arm had been dealt away.
2007-03-07 16:36:41
154.   LAT
142/150 I know I'm too old. I didn't even know Overkill related to the name of a band.
2007-03-07 16:38:39
155.   Gen3Blue
131 Excellent info. How do you happen to be ar Dodgertown. Resident or visit? I was there a few times when I was younger. As much as I try to hide it, I like ballplayers like Hu and Loney. Sounds like Loney has a way to go as an outfielder. Of course its ridiculous when he apparently is a good infielder.
2007-03-07 16:45:06
156.   bhsportsguy
154 Darn kids today and their loud music.

(Picture crazy old man from The Simpsons)

So Bob, have you figured out how to do live blogging from Staples?

2007-03-07 16:46:03
157.   Bob Timmermann
I'll just leave comments.
2007-03-07 16:46:27
158.   Bob Timmermann
On the Griddle that is.
2007-03-07 16:52:28
159.   LAT
152 It was hard to pick out anything amid the Simers, Simers and Rogin "banter". It's a nearly unlistenable show.

I disagree. I was a Simers hater but I have really grown to like him because of the radio show. Putting aside his sthick, during interviews he asks the tough questions and doesn't let his guests get away with anything. Rogan's questions are so soft, like most sportscasters, out of fear of never getting another interview, as to be unlistenable. I agree the banter gets to be a little much but I like the show. Plus they spend almost zero time on the NFL which I appreciate.

2007-03-07 16:54:30
160.   bhsportsguy
The Florida Marlin's announcer was telling a story about how Eric Stoltz was cast as "Marty McFly" for about six weeks until Michael J. Fox took the role.

His reason for telling this story, Eric Stults is pitching for the Dodgers tonight.

Dodgers lead 2-0 after 3.

2007-03-07 16:58:00
161.   Bob Timmermann
Because of all of our talk about "Karate Kid" here, I instantly knew the crossword puzzle answer today of "Self-defense school".

It was four letters.

2007-03-07 17:00:02
162.   overkill94
155 My dad and I have wanted to make the trip for a while now, so this is the year we finally made it. I live in LA and he lives in the central valley.

I'm not giving Loney a total free pass today, but he did have the sun facing him so it could be just another adjustment he has to make during his transition.

2007-03-07 17:06:26
163.   bhsportsguy
160 Young and Abreau homered in the 3rd for the 2-0 lead.

Eric Stults becomes the first pitcher to go 3 innings, 0 runs, 3 hits, a walk and 2 strikeouts.

The 25+ roster guys in the lineup are Kemp, Ethier, Repko, Betemit and Saenz.

2007-03-07 17:10:53
164.   bhsportsguy
Abreau with a 2-out bases loaded double to drive in two.

4-0 after 3 1/2.

Dessens pitching now.

2007-03-07 17:18:58
165.   Suffering Bruin
Just checking in while planning...

Did someone say "Karate Kid?"

Ralph Macchio got the part over two other actors. I was one of the other two.

Yes, they most definitely made the right choice.

2007-03-07 17:22:26
166.   Bob Timmermann
Do you have a news feed set up so anytime the words "Karate Kid" are typed on the Internet, you get notified?
2007-03-07 17:24:17
167.   Jon Weisman
166 - He didn't respond to my Elisabeth Shue what-if the other day.
2007-03-07 17:26:08
168.   Gen3Blue
162 An excellent father-son trip, and a great report. Sounds like a nice assist for Kemp. I'm afraid he and La R may have to go to triple A the way things are now(I know it's early) but they should play full time to become our power. Wow, Las Vegas possibly with La Roche,Kemp, Abreu, Hu,and Young! These guys could all make it.
2007-03-07 17:28:23
169.   Gen3Blue
Karate Kid---slowly I turned.....
2007-03-07 17:29:25
170.   bhsportsguy
Repko hits a homer, Kemps singles, steals second, goes to third on an error but is left stranded.

5-0 after 4 1/2.

Dessens pitching his second inning.

Marlin's announcers now telling the Matt White story about his billionaire rock pile.

2007-03-07 17:30:07
171.   bhsportsguy
165 Is your suffering football, basketball or non-sports related?
2007-03-07 17:33:56
172.   Bob Timmermann
171
He's peculiar suffering. It's only about men's golf.
2007-03-07 17:36:31
173.   Sam DC
Whenever SB shows up, I wonder if his boy is still playing that Star Wars game.
2007-03-07 17:42:18
174.   bhsportsguy
172 Corey Pavin won a PGA tournament in the last year.

Elmer Dessens pitches a scoreless 5th, 5-0 Dodgers, thus far, the trends against the Cardinals and Marlins from 2006 continue.

And Wilson Betemit continues his not-so-strong bid for the 3B job.

Interestingly, when Ned was talking about Valdez today on the radio, he mentioned that Valdez and Betemit were out of options.

They still want to give La Roche some time in the OF this spring.

2007-03-07 17:47:03
175.   robohobo
Repko has had great springs the last few years. He is batting 400 with a homerun and two doubles. He also has 4 or 5 walks. He is so much better than Pierre, it kills me! I heard Pierre ground out to various infielders several times today and he still has 0 walks! Nows the time to try to take a walk or two. It won't hurt the team, Juan.
2007-03-07 17:52:00
176.   bhsportsguy
175 Again, had Repko been healthy last year and had taken over in the OF in May, perhaps things would be different. But he wasn't and when he came back, injured or not, he didn't really play well.

So he remains a 4th/5th outfielder. Also, you can't buy into his stats in Spring Training too much because you don't know who he was facing, game conditions, etc.

2007-03-07 17:54:25
177.   Sam DC
I'm as big a fan of the First Amendment as the next guy, but I'm thinking the papers should not be allowed to report Spring Training stats. There's a guy over in the Post comments ripping Ryan Church for 6 LOB this Spring.
2007-03-07 17:56:51
178.   robohobo
176. My point is more to express frustration at how poor a player JP is compared to what we already had in house while listening to the game.
2007-03-07 17:57:17
179.   trainwreck
177
That fan is going to have a loooong season.
2007-03-07 17:58:35
180.   bhsportsguy
177 A guy after Bob's heart, oh wait, Bob likes LOB.

Mike Megrew pitched a quick 6th inning, now 6-0. Young walked in the 6th and eventually scored on a ground out.

2007-03-07 18:01:07
181.   bhsportsguy
178 No, I won't go there, I'm too tired.
2007-03-07 18:01:40
182.   trainwreck
Kind of sad how Cal in the Pac-10 Tournament is not even being shown locally.
2007-03-07 18:02:32
183.   Gen3Blue
S. Bruins a favorite. I kind of wish he got the part. Too bad I can't help but sometimes associate him with the Boston Bruins, who I cut ties with at the Hockey strike
2007-03-07 18:08:32
184.   trainwreck
If Suffering Bruin got that part he would probably never have come to DT. He would be out dating Eliza Dushku.
2007-03-07 18:09:49
185.   robohobo
Betemit! 1st hit of the spring brings in a run.
Dodgers sure hit plenty of singles. I suppose I should get used to it. Its not so different from last year.

Seems like Ethier and Loney are the same hitter. Both make good contact, can go both ways and have marginal power.

2007-03-07 18:10:51
186.   Sam DC
Would anyone mind if I quit my job and went to work for Mythbusters?

I don't really have any mythbusting skills, but I wonder if I could just hang around, get coffee, be a test subject on occaision.

I'd like to feel like I was giving something back.

2007-03-07 18:13:14
187.   trainwreck
They always test stuff that I have never heard any myths about. The only one I had heard of was the brown noise.
2007-03-07 18:15:51
188.   Steve
The latest unconvincing attempt to distinguish Repko and Pierre has finally yielded the definitive nickname.

I give you

Jason Pierre

2007-03-07 18:23:39
189.   robohobo
188. Distinguishing Repko and Pierre is easy. Repko can grow facial hair.
2007-03-07 18:35:23
190.   Gen3Blue
186 Go for It! Mythbusters need you, whether shooting bullets or ping pong balls under water.
185 Get the feeling Loney and Ethier are ready. Kemp and La Roche are close and will bring power--later this year or next. This is wonderful; Abreu, Young and even Hu seem to feel they can make it too. I'm so euphoric I can't even see where the reality slap is going to come from.
Though its early, if you take the veterans who have ML stats, and use the ST stats of the young you would have a team that would make me mostly optimistic. However, using these two rules you would also take two who would make me nervous, Valdez and Penny. Oh well.
2007-03-07 18:45:45
191.   Andrew Shimmin
186- Do you have a funnier mustache than the other guy?

It may not necessarily be proof, but, is there another explanation for D4P's railing against Jennifer Hudson yesterday, and his failure to condemn Suffering Bruin for having wanted an acting job?

2007-03-07 19:22:17
192.   Dodgers49
Another reason not to get too excited about spring training stats:

>>> Because the Marlins played a split-squad doubleheader and they were short on pitching, Nic Ungs was brought up from Minor League camp to throw one inning. Repko homered on Ungs' first pitch.

http://tinyurl.com/ytsxl9 <<<

2007-03-07 20:04:33
193.   underdog
If anyone feels like taking Mark to task on anything, be gentle!
(On Bad Altitude...)

He makes some really good points, is generally too hard on most of the people involved in the Dodgers story, and seems to ignore a lot of the other good young players they have either ready, near ready, or some time in the near future ready to contribute -- but that's okay, I enjoyed reading it anyway!

2007-03-07 21:15:31
194.   dsfan
Would love to hear that Nomar is shagging flyballs in left field. Seems like it would behoove the Dodgers on several fronts to find out if he is reasonably comfortable there. Even on a small scale it could allow Little to get creative with double switches. And at the very least, it would signal to other clubs that the Dodgers are commiting to Loney (who still appears to be a potential trade chip).

If Nomar showed himself to be an adequate left fielder, which is a reasonable possibility for a former shorstop, that would benefit Gonzalez, who isn't a fulltime player anymore. Obviously it would help Loney, giving him more ABs and allowing him to play his natural position.

Didn't Nomar say that he willing to go wherever the Dodgers put him? Why wouldn't the Dodgers get him out there for some flyballs, with the understanding that it is not a full-time gig?

I say this while acknowledging that it is possible that Nomar would struggle to read flyballs. Further, the left fields in the NL West are more difficult than many others. It's conceivable that Nomar would be a liablity in LF, yet I think the benefits of getting some feedback on his OF abilities outweight keeping the status quo.

2007-03-07 21:48:52
195.   Andrew Shimmin
194- I'd be on board for that, but for Pierre. As it is, I like the Vishal plan of Nomar playing part time third, Kent playing part time second, and Betemit spelling each. That has the added benefit of keeping Kent's 2008 option from vesting, which would be very useful.
2007-03-07 21:52:39
196.   Eric Enders
182 I'm watching it on basic cable here in TX.
2007-03-07 22:24:28
197.   Ken Arneson
186 I might mind, it depends. They shoot a lot of Mythbusters episodes near my home, so you'd probably have to move nearby. When you move into a neighborhood, do you cause property values to go up, or down?
2007-03-08 04:30:29
198.   Sam DC
197 I past is prologue, I'm good about buying that last house that goes at the very tip top of the bubble before things start crashing down around everyone.

But maybe I could plead small sample size?

2007-03-08 04:32:19
199.   Vishal
[182] that's a travesty. it was on here in syracuse, ny.
2007-03-08 08:36:14
200.   twerp
Can't end a thread at 199.

Anyhow, my specialty is commenting on dead threads, so who better to have #200, after everyone's long gone?

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