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Wonderful Lemon-Scented Martin Sheen
2007-04-17 16:55
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Law & Order rips from the headlines - I rip from the comments:

Since Opening Day on April 2, Russell Martin will have caught 13 games in 16 days. Some are concerned that Martin is not getting enough rest because he has only missed one start, but I think the reason it seems like he's not resting is because of the off days the Dodgers have had.

Now, the Dodgers are playing 10 games in 10 days - let's assume with some assurance that backup catcher Mike Lieberthal will start at least one of those. With the off day on April 23, Martin will have started the season playing 17 games in 22 days. That's better than an off-day per week.

I understand there is concern about Martin burning out because he played so much down the stretch last fall, but I think it's still too early to worry for 2007.

Meanwhile, so far in this young season, Martin is 12th among all position players in baseball in Value Over Replacement Player. And no, that does not account for his defense.

* * *

Tonight's game:

CBSSportsline.com

Gameday

Retro Gameday

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2007-04-17 17:02:13
1.   Eric Enders
Just so nobody gets the wrong idea, it does account for the fact that he plays catcher -- just not how good he is at it.
2007-04-17 17:04:36
2.   blue22
I think VORP takes into account his defensive position when creating this hypothetical "replacement player", just not his performance at this defensive position. Martin's VORP would be lower if he were a left-fielder putting up identical stats.
2007-04-17 17:05:19
3.   blue22
1 - Know-it-all. ;-)
2007-04-17 17:06:39
4.   LA Native
I worry too about how much Martin is used. He held up well last year, but I think Grittles needs to be smart about how much he uses him. That is why we got a decent backup like Lieberthal.

LoDuca held up well for one year (when he hit 25 home runs), but after that he faded badly in the 2nd half every year. Lets hope Martin doesn't get to that point. Nevertheless he needs a day off here and there to stay fresh for the Sept. pennant race.

2007-04-17 17:10:44
5.   El Lay Dave
One game off per week would mean catching about 136 games in a season. Pudge Rodriguez, for example, has caught that many or more games in a season four times (1996-1999). Mike Piazza did it five times (1993, 1996-1999). Personally, I'd like to see the Dodgers keep Martin on a pace no greater than 136 games.

I think the amount of catching is the important factor, not the number of days not catching.

2007-04-17 17:10:46
6.   Eric Enders
4 Even that one year, Lo Duca didn't hold up well. The first time he ever had a good second-half performance was last year.

I think the concern (at least my own concern) is not so much that Martin has been used unwisely so far this year, but that he was used unwisely last year and there is a chance that may be repeated.

2007-04-17 17:12:53
7.   Claire Malone-Evans
Russel Martin is much more valuable than all of the replacement players that played in spring training 1995.
2007-04-17 17:16:31
8.   Jon Weisman
6 - Nevertheless, I think one could argue that if Martin had played less so far this season, that would have been a mistake.
2007-04-17 17:16:50
9.   Marty
Is the game starting at 6 p.m. non-standard-wacky-Arizona time?
2007-04-17 17:18:00
10.   D4P
I find myself kinda rooting for ARod this year, just because of the moronic attitude many Yankee fans have toward him. The problem, though, is that they benefit when he plays well.

Yankee fans don't deserve ARod.

2007-04-17 17:20:42
11.   Andrew Shimmin
It's not 6:40 again? That's what the schedule says.
2007-04-17 17:20:58
12.   El Lay Dave
9 I believe Arizona does not observe daylight savings time.
2007-04-17 17:24:48
13.   Shotupthemiddle
"Wonderful Lemon-Scented Martin Sheen" gives his last scene in "The Departed" an entirely different meaning....

I caught a game at Chase Field last week and they still had the World Series trophy and a LuGo jersey prominently displayed in the entryway I took to get into the park. I'm beginning to think Gonzo's sour grapes at DBack management is starting to wear thin....

2007-04-17 17:29:21
14.   D4P
I'm beginning to think Gonzo's sour grapes at DBack management is starting to wear thin

In case you wondered, but were afraid to ask, you're not the only one.

2007-04-17 17:29:52
15.   overkill94
Dice-K's a bit wild against the Blue Jays today. Seems that all the big-name Japanese starters that come over (Nomo, Ishii, Igawa) have some trouble with their control. They mostly get by being effectively wild, but it's interesting that they all have that similarity. Is the strike zone in the Japanese leagues bigger or are their players less selective?
2007-04-17 17:30:47
16.   El Lay Dave
12 Now I'm time confused. Most of Arizona (including Phoenix) is Mountain Standard Time year-round. In L.A., we are now in Pacific Daylight Time, which is the same as Mountain Standard, that is, it should now be about 1730 in both places. So, why do the Diamondbacks start their games in the 6:00 P.M. hour?
2007-04-17 17:34:06
17.   overkill94
16 Old people like to get to bed early ;)
2007-04-17 17:35:12
18.   El Lay Dave
From ItD:
(http://insidethedodgers.mlblogs.com/my_weblog/)
Jason Schmidt is going to go on the disabled list with inflammation of the bursa sac in his right shoulder. Right now, the prescription is rest and we don't really have a timetable for his return.
2007-04-17 17:35:16
19.   GoBears
I find myself kinda rooting for ARod this year, just because of the moronic attitude many Yankee fans have toward him.

Me too. But also because I enjoy watching greatness.

If you haven't already, check out FJM's demolition of the latest "not true Yankees" handwringing. 3rd article down at last look, entitled "Where's My Ladies At?" Classic.

2007-04-17 17:36:21
20.   GoBears
18. In other news, dog bites man.
2007-04-17 17:37:18
21.   Andrew Shimmin
16- "[T]he Diamondbacks changed the game start times from 7:05 PM to 6:40 PM depending on the month, they had finally settled on all week-day games starting at 6:40 PM. This worked and made the games much more family friendly. . ."

http://diarydiehard.com/2006/09/afternoon_delight.html

2007-04-17 17:38:31
22.   Eric Enders
"Jason Schmidt is going to go on the disabled list with inflammation of the bursa sac in his right shoulder."

This is the same injury that caused Greg Miller to miss the 2005 season. (Not that I'm necessarily implying it's of the same seriousness.)

2007-04-17 17:41:03
23.   GMac In The 909
18 From the AP story:

"We are going to give it a few days to let it calm down. Hopefully it's just a short term thing," Dodgers manager Grady Little said.

The Dodgers have not made a corresponding roster move and Little did not name a starter for Thursday at Colorado.

2007-04-17 17:41:38
24.   Eric Enders
I hope Hendrickson gets maybe two of Schmidt's starts and that they go to Kuo after that. Either way, it now gives us two lefties in the rotation.
2007-04-17 17:41:45
25.   Jon Weisman
22 - That's all that was wrong with Miller in '05?
2007-04-17 17:48:03
26.   trainwreck
25
His shoulder bone was constantly rubbing on the shoulder muscle causing problems.
2007-04-17 17:48:11
27.   Eric Enders
25 It's not all that was wrong with him, of course, but IIRC it was the main thing that was wrong with him. In his case they actually had to remove the bursa sac, which as I understand it is a fairly unusual step. (I got the year wrong, by the way, it was 2004, not 2005... time flies.)

It's also the same thing Carpenter had last year and he missed, what, three starts?

2007-04-17 17:49:55
28.   bhsportsguy
Jason Schmidt suffered a similar issue back in 2005, he was disabled with a similar issue, he missed two weeks and still made 29 starts. He started 2004 with on the DL with a generally descrbed shoulder strain and still made 32 starts.

Sounds like this is something that comes up and both Ned and Stan Conte are very familiar with it.

2007-04-17 17:50:38
29.   El Lay Dave
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/news/050209miller.html

Finally, the Dodgers and Miller found the problem during an MRI exam. The tip of his shoulder blade was shaped in such a way that it was causing the inflammation by rubbing up against tissue in the shoulder.

Surgery was performed to shave down the bone, hopefully precluding further inflammation and giving Miller a chance to get back on the mound pain-free. The procedure technically is known as acromioplasty, the surgical reshaping of the acromion (the tip of the shoulder blade).

I'm no doctor, but it doesn't seem likely that this is something that is suddenly discovered in a guy who has pitched as much as Schmidt has.

2007-04-17 17:51:48
30.   underdog
I think this ranks up there with Jon's most wonderfully odd subject headers. I dig it.

So who is coming up in Schmidt's stead? Tsao again? Assume Kuo isn't ready yet.

2007-04-17 17:52:46
31.   El Lay Dave
29 is Miller's second shoulder surgery; the first was arthroscopic.
2007-04-17 17:53:52
32.   Eric Enders
Gurnick:
"Miller was still 18 in 2003, one year out of high school, when he went 11-4 with a 2.49 ERA at Class A Vero Beach, then was 1-1 with a 1.01 ERA and 40 strikeouts in 26 2/3 innings at Double-A Jacksonville. But he was shut down at the end of the 2003 season with shoulder discomfort that had not cleared up by the next spring.

The next Spring Training he underwent surgery to remove a bursa and scar tissue from the acromio-clavicular joint at the top of his left shoulder, but he continued to experience discomfort and never pitched in a game that season.

Problems continued in 2005, and he had a second procedure to shave the tip of the clavicle to resolve an impingement that sidelined him until midseason. "

2007-04-17 17:53:57
33.   El Lay Dave
31 ... for the bursa sac removal.
2007-04-17 17:54:04
34.   D4P
19
I saw that the other day, but didn't read it at the time because it looked too long. I have now read it. It was good.
2007-04-17 18:01:09
35.   JoeyP
Is Billingsley in the rotation now?
2007-04-17 18:01:30
36.   El Lay Dave
21 Thanks. They must be the only team that starts games that early. It's sort of quaint and comforting to know that that early a start time can still work in some cities.
2007-04-17 18:03:32
37.   El Lay Dave
35 See 23. Tony Jackson is guessing Hendrickson for Thursday in Colorado.
2007-04-17 18:08:31
38.   bhsportsguy
35 No announcement, most expect Hendrickson since he has pitched multiple innings already.

The key regarding this injury is that all it is just bursitis and that there was no tearing.

Now, the treatment is usually rest and anti-inflamatories but the question will be how soon will he be able to start throwing again.

Again, as Jon has noted, the most important acquisition that Ned made this year, could be Stan Conte, it looks like the guy has done a pretty good job of getting guys back when they are rehabbing so I would just wait and see about how soon Schmidt comes back, the fact they retroactived his DL to Sunday means they must think he might be ready sooner rather than later so hope is alive.

2007-04-17 18:09:41
39.   GoBears
37. Hendrickson seems right. He'll be allowed to show (once again) that he stinks before any kids will get a chance. And hey, if he pitches well, bonus!

The only justification I can think of is IF they want to limit Billingsley's innings over the course of the season, they might as well ride Tomko and Hendrickson until they pitch there way into oblivion or pitch well enough to be traded.

2007-04-17 18:12:58
40.   bhsportsguy
When Schmidt went on the DL in 2005, he had 4-5 bad starts in a row and while he said that he had no ailments and his pitching form was good, he did tell Stan Conte and Dave Righetti (pitching coach) that he felt something behind his shoulder.

Again, privacy laws and clubhouse decorum will probably keep this secret but I wonder after his last start, did Conte just suggest to Jason that they do an MRI just to rule out a physical reason for his starts (that was the publicized version) or did Schmidt tell Conte that he felt something like last time (2005), perhaps mulling it over for a day, and then they acted on it.

2007-04-17 18:33:38
41.   Bob Timmermann
In the old days, the Dodgers started night games at 8 pm.

In even older days, teams that played night games wouldn't start until 9 in some parts of the country because the leagues didn't want to start games in the twilight.

But I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.

2007-04-17 18:39:57
42.   GMac In The 909
41 I plan on being 29 for all of eternity.
2007-04-17 18:40:36
43.   Disabled List
Whoever wins tonight gets to be the first team with double-digits in victories.

That's very, very important. Very.

2007-04-17 18:42:30
44.   Bob Timmermann
So, whom are all we betting on in the catcher's interference pool tonight?
2007-04-17 18:44:09
45.   GoBears
Tim McCarver
2007-04-17 18:44:55
46.   Bob Timmermann
The Gameday stringer is hopelessly confused.

As am I?

What's going on.

2007-04-17 18:46:01
47.   D4P
46
It righted itself. Pierre apparently did make an out on the 2nd pitch after all.
2007-04-17 18:46:56
48.   regfairfield
First team to 10 wins the last few years:

2006: Mets
2005: Dodgers
2004: Marlins/Dodgers
2003: Giants
2002: Indians

The first team to 10 wins will have more losses than any other team to reach that mark since 2002. Parity at it's finest.

2007-04-17 18:50:16
49.   D4P
Under true parity, every team would end up 0-0-162.
2007-04-17 18:51:29
50.   D4P
Does anyone keep records of reaching base by fielder's choice? Pierre would seem to be on a record-setting pace...
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2007-04-17 18:52:06
51.   Samuel
Wow, Kent's hit the ball hard to the deepest part of the stadium again. At least he got a double out of it this time.
2007-04-17 18:55:05
52.   natepurcell
this team seems to walk alot.
2007-04-17 18:55:30
53.   Bob Timmermann
You can't all go 0-0-162 since tie games would have to be replayed because they would have an effect on the pennant race.

And it's really hard to get a tie game now anyway.

2007-04-17 18:57:23
54.   D4P
Then I guess we'll never see true parity after all
2007-04-17 19:00:02
55.   Benaiah
54 - How do you feel about universal 81-81, with everyone scoring the same amount of runs? That seems pretty fair.
2007-04-17 19:01:40
56.   StolenMonkey86
Wow, I didn't even notice the retro gameday link until tonight, but that's pretty spectacular.
2007-04-17 19:01:47
57.   Eric Enders
Mark Grace tells it like it is: "Brett Tomko somehow always finds a way to make a bad pitch in a big situation."
2007-04-17 19:02:39
58.   Andrew Shimmin
Can we get a ruling from the judges on Cuh-lass-poe vs. Kye-ass-poe?
2007-04-17 19:05:33
59.   overkill94
58 In the same vein as Villa-noo-eh-va, I believe everyone goes with Cuh-lass-poe
2007-04-17 19:07:14
60.   StolenMonkey86
Pitch counts after 1
Owings 27
Tomko 14

good sign

2007-04-17 19:07:56
61.   D4P
55
I feel neutral.
2007-04-17 19:16:21
62.   overkill94
Betemit is not giving Grady any reason to start Valdez ahead of him right now
2007-04-17 19:16:28
63.   JoeyP
Betemit has had good ABs for being 2-27 this year.
2007-04-17 19:16:31
64.   underdog
The Arizona FSN station is doing their "Guys with hot babe girlfriends cam" moment before the inning starts.
2007-04-17 19:16:38
65.   Eric Enders
Betemit Pedro-Guerreroed that one.
2007-04-17 19:16:50
66.   underdog
Guess Betemit was looking at the babes, too.
2007-04-17 19:17:39
67.   D4P
64
Isn't that Andrew's favorite website...?
2007-04-17 19:18:34
68.   JoeyP
How slow is Carlos Quentin?
2007-04-17 19:18:43
69.   underdog
This is trouble, right here in River City.
2007-04-17 19:19:13
70.   overkill94
Well, there's one reason I suppose
2007-04-17 19:19:26
71.   Bob Timmermann
Gameday seemed hesitant to credit Arizona with a run there.
2007-04-17 19:19:39
72.   underdog
And WB just made up for the previous goof.
2007-04-17 19:19:42
73.   imperabo
Mark Grace has lead his league in 5 different categories, one time each, and each in different seasons. Anyone want to try naming them without looking?

Hint, one of the categories is negative, and two might be considered dubious honors by some statheads.

2007-04-17 19:19:48
74.   D4P
How often does a runner not score from 2nd on a double...?
2007-04-17 19:19:51
75.   overkill94
Walk the 8-hitter to get to the pitcher?
2007-04-17 19:20:23
76.   Disabled List
MLB.tv says it's already tied up.
2007-04-17 19:20:38
77.   underdog
That's because Arizona seemed hesitant to score one.

Boy, Tomko sure isn't fooling anyone this inning.

2007-04-17 19:20:54
78.   overkill94
73 Hits, doubles, GIDP, sac flies, and singles?
2007-04-17 19:21:19
79.   Bob Timmermann
Gameday first gave Arizona no runs, then a run, then took the run back.

I'm skeptical that there is even a game being played.

2007-04-17 19:21:30
80.   overkill94
I'd stick with the curve here to go for the strike out. If you walk him, no big deal.
2007-04-17 19:22:17
81.   imperabo
78 - Not bad. No on hits and singles though surprisingly.
2007-04-17 19:22:54
82.   Eric Enders
73
2B
H
1B
SAC
GIDP
2007-04-17 19:22:58
83.   Disabled List
The way Tomko's pitching right now, I just might pretend there's no game being played.
2007-04-17 19:23:17
84.   JoeyP
Quentin went back to tag up on an obvious ball that Ethier had no chance to reach. Doesnt matter since Owings hit a SF.
2007-04-17 19:23:19
85.   underdog
So bases loaded, 1 out, pitcher coming up - and he drives in a run with a sac fly. For those of you dependent on the slightly drunken GameDay scorekeeping.
2007-04-17 19:23:25
86.   D4P
Tomko would do well to get out of this inning only giving up one run
2007-04-17 19:23:30
87.   overkill94
Furcal should have sprinted out to left and had LuGo toss him the ball to have a chance at Quentin
2007-04-17 19:24:14
88.   overkill94
82 Copycat
2007-04-17 19:24:30
89.   underdog
So, So Tomko did well then.
2007-04-17 19:24:50
90.   Eric Enders
Hey, I said SACs, not sac flies, so you did better than I.
2007-04-17 19:26:00
91.   overkill94
I guess it's possibly Grace led the league in RBI one year, but what could the other one be, HBP?
2007-04-17 19:26:14
92.   GMac In The 909
85 Thanks for clearing up the GameDay scorekeeping. It's clearly in violation of No. 11.
2007-04-17 19:26:41
93.   overkill94
*possible, not possibly

Walks could be another one I suppose

2007-04-17 19:27:54
94.   imperabo
The man who just made out has lead in the two you're missing.
2007-04-17 19:28:40
95.   StolenMonkey86
94 - Outs?
2007-04-17 19:29:34
96.   Eric Enders
Yhency pitches a perfect 1st with one K.
2007-04-17 19:29:46
97.   underdog
In its defense, Gameday also doesn't say "Oh dear" as much as Mark Grace.
2007-04-17 19:30:16
98.   JoeyP
Grace--Abs, Singles, Outs, Batting Average, GIDP's-- are those 5 of the 11?
2007-04-17 19:31:31
99.   Eric Enders
97 Just for one game, they should switch. I want to see Gameday say "Oh Dear" when a run scores and Mark Grace say "In play, run-scoring play."
2007-04-17 19:31:51
100.   JoeyP
Nvm--i'm behind on the posts.
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2007-04-17 19:32:36
101.   imperabo
Not outs. And no additional right answers in 98. We have Doubles, sac flies, and GIDP so far. Plus 2 categories Juan Pierre owns.
2007-04-17 19:33:19
102.   imperabo
Oops, sorry 98. You got At Bats.
2007-04-17 19:33:23
103.   Eric Enders
Looks like it may be Chad time soon. Wonder if they'll let him pitch on consecutive days.
2007-04-17 19:33:35
104.   underdog
Sigh. I was hoping we'd have a longer period of time before we got to see Ye Olde Tomko, but it's come early this year. (The previous hit wasn't a bad pitch though, was a good piece of hitting.)
2007-04-17 19:35:40
105.   Eric Enders
Mark Grace and Juan Pierre led the league in all the same categores. Mark Grace has four letters in his first name and five in his last name. Juan Pierre has four letters in his first name and five in his last name. Juan Pierre's secretary is named Lincoln and Grace's secretary is named Kennedy.
2007-04-17 19:35:43
106.   underdog
99 Hah. That's the Mark GraceBot that they whip out once a week on DBacks TV.
2007-04-17 19:36:19
107.   Eric Enders
104 Be careful with that or Bob will put you On Notice.
2007-04-17 19:36:39
108.   overkill94
102 Triples?
2007-04-17 19:36:47
109.   StolenMonkey86
105
P-I-E-R-R-E

1-2-3-4-5-6

:)

2007-04-17 19:37:08
110.   imperabo
At Bats and sac flies were the dubious honors, though Grace did have 70 walks the year he lead in At Bats, so it's not really dubious.
2007-04-17 19:37:43
111.   das411
"I loved you in 'Wall Street'!!!!"
2007-04-17 19:37:48
112.   Eric Enders
105
(Counting has never been my strong suit.)
2007-04-17 19:38:11
113.   StolenMonkey86
i'll admit I peeked, but I won't say what the other ones were
2007-04-17 19:40:04
114.   underdog
Tomko must have heard my whining and gnashing of teeth.
2007-04-17 19:40:15
115.   D4P
I think everything seems to be going the Dodgers' way these days.
2007-04-17 19:41:05
116.   Bob Timmermann
107
That was Tim Marchman, not me.
2007-04-17 19:41:11
117.   imperabo
One left. Tony Gwynn was the undisputed champ in this category in his day.
2007-04-17 19:41:23
118.   overkill94
101 Least strike-outs?
2007-04-17 19:41:55
119.   Bob Timmermann
OK, on the DP, Gameday shows Callapso still at second base which would mean he's running the bases in reverse order.
2007-04-17 19:42:11
120.   imperabo
118 There you go. At Bats/K
2007-04-17 19:42:41
121.   underdog
Tomko may want to not through that "fast"ball to Quentin again.
2007-04-17 19:42:41
122.   overkill94
Where was that pitch???
2007-04-17 19:43:02
123.   Eric Enders
Easily the worst ball-strike call I've seen this year.
2007-04-17 19:43:22
124.   underdog
That was a terrible terrible call. That was such a strike. I hate to sound like a bias fan but yeesh, how was that not a strike?
2007-04-17 19:43:32
125.   Icaros
Gonzo needs to keep watching Quentin everytime he pouts to himself about the D-Backs letting him go.
2007-04-17 19:44:09
126.   underdog
Biased, I should say. And sounds like Grace agreed with us. And, fortunately, it doesn't matter. Whew.
2007-04-17 19:45:09
127.   capdodger
124 Don't worry. The Arizona Booth creatures agree with you.
2007-04-17 19:46:57
128.   imperabo
By the way, Grace was a better player than I realized. 383 career OBP.
2007-04-17 19:51:18
129.   Greg Brock
Mark Grace is a third or fourth ballot Hall of Very Good'er.

The guy had an outstanding career.

2007-04-17 19:51:31
130.   underdog
Steve Finley just homered in the 8th for the Rockies vs. the Giants. Giants still up 3-1 though. Separate from that blast, where has the Rockies' offense gone, besides South?
2007-04-17 19:52:34
131.   Disabled List
M! V! P!
2007-04-17 19:52:43
132.   JoeyP
Martin's a singles machine.
2007-04-17 19:54:52
133.   JoeyP
Ethier swinging 3-0...
2007-04-17 19:55:25
134.   imperabo
Can't get too worried about this offense when we have stars at the 3 hardest positions to get production from. With the organizational depth you have to believe that the rest of the positions will be solid too.
2007-04-17 19:55:33
135.   D4P
That Wilson Betemit is a selfless players
2007-04-17 19:56:00
136.   underdog
.074 or not, I can't believe they pitched to Betemit. Thank you, Bob Melvin!
2007-04-17 19:59:41
137.   JoeyP
With Owings control problems, I can see why they wouldnt want to walk Betemit and load the bases.

Ethier prevented the Dodgers from knocking out Owings that inning. If he works a walk--all the sudden its bases loaded/0 out with Betemit at the plate. Owings on the ropes, Betemit being selective--thats not a bad situation to be in.

Ethier doesnt have enough power to warrant swinging 3-0 IMO.

2007-04-17 20:01:25
138.   capdodger
Tomko doesn't seem to be fooling anyone.
2007-04-17 20:03:15
139.   GMac In The 909
GameDay is still messed up. It has the 2006 Tomko playing now.
2007-04-17 20:03:39
140.   JoeyP
Ugly.
2007-04-17 20:03:47
141.   imperabo
You could just tell he was going to throw it away. He didn't set up at all.
2007-04-17 20:04:19
142.   Eric Enders
Tomko knew runs were going to score in this inning anyway, so he figured he'd just make them unearned.
2007-04-17 20:04:34
143.   imperabo
If you don't throw sidearm don't throw sidearm.
2007-04-17 20:04:54
144.   Icaros
141

I'm only listening and I could tell.

2007-04-17 20:05:36
145.   Bluebleeder87
very informative comments on Schmidt's DL stint, I'm keeping for fingers crossed hoping it won't turn out to be something major.
2007-04-17 20:05:50
146.   imperabo
lord
2007-04-17 20:05:50
147.   Andrew Shimmin
Yeah, it was the tying run, but, c'mon. That was funny.
2007-04-17 20:06:19
148.   Icaros
He's done, Grady.
2007-04-17 20:06:19
149.   Icaros
He's done, Grady.
2007-04-17 20:06:30
150.   Eric Enders
You'd really have a hard time convincing me that Juan Pierre has ever played the oufield before this year.
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2007-04-17 20:06:55
151.   Icaros
It needed to be said twice.
2007-04-17 20:07:02
152.   imperabo
Pierre plays like a really talented 6 year old.
2007-04-17 20:07:10
153.   GMac In The 909
Get Joe Mays warmed up.
2007-04-17 20:07:18
154.   Bluebleeder87
Sorry about the typo I was watching Pierre's play when I was typing that.
2007-04-17 20:07:50
155.   capdodger
147 Yeah. Funny in a puppy-dog-dragging-a-cow-femur kind of way.
2007-04-17 20:09:18
156.   Icaros
150

I completely agree. The most disappointing thing about Pierre is that he apparently can't even do the "little things" as advertised. Is he really better defensively than Lofton?

2007-04-17 20:10:04
157.   Andrew Shimmin
Was Owings limping?
2007-04-17 20:10:51
158.   JoeyP
Owings leaving probably hurts the Dodgers. He wasnt very good tonite.
2007-04-17 20:11:17
159.   capdodger
Yes... Leave him in. Please....
2007-04-17 20:14:12
160.   Marty
So is Little contractually obligated to let Tomko give up the lead before replacing him?
2007-04-17 20:15:18
161.   JoeyP
The only good thing Tomko has done tonight is not give up home runs.
2007-04-17 20:15:36
162.   imperabo
Couldn't Gonzo at least have faked the throw home? Maybe he's not veteran enough to do that.
2007-04-17 20:16:54
163.   underdog
This ump is really.. myopic.
2007-04-17 20:17:04
164.   capdodger
Cool. Five innings of bullpen tonight.
2007-04-17 20:17:54
165.   underdog
I think Gonzo did the smart thing in keeping the other runner at first. Why bother when you know you have no shot.

Tomko, tonight, has reminded of some pitcher... Let's see, who is it.. Oh yeah, Tomko.

2007-04-17 20:19:13
166.   capdodger
Kemp could have kept that runner at third.
2007-04-17 20:19:45
167.   imperabo
165 He may have been right not to throw home, but he made no effort to bait the runner to try for second. Most LF would have thrown home there, so there is a good chance the runner would bite. A gamer would have done that.
2007-04-17 20:20:24
168.   blue22
Giants bullpen just melted down. No win for Matt Cain tonight.
2007-04-17 20:21:29
169.   JoeyP
Extra base hit for Pierre!
2007-04-17 20:22:52
170.   natepurcell
the chad tracy flyout at the wall has frozen gameday...probably for good.
2007-04-17 20:23:41
171.   D4P
170
Both Gameday and CBS are frozen on Tracy's flyout
2007-04-17 20:24:15
172.   JoeyP
Nomar up with Pierre at 2nd base.
1 out.
2007-04-17 20:24:51
173.   natepurcell
okay global warming has unfrozen gameday, game oN!
2007-04-17 20:24:56
174.   Bluebleeder87
a hanger & Nomar makes Nipper pay for it.
2007-04-17 20:25:05
175.   twerp
What do you guys who know the farm system think of the early power from Jacksonville OF Anthony Raglani (sp?), 3HR/35 AB, and 1B John Lindsey, 4HR/26 AB?

Very small sample, etc. But how do they project? Decent power?

2007-04-17 20:25:29
176.   D4P
I'm starting to feel like Ned knows what he's doing. I wonder if anyone else feels the same way.
2007-04-17 20:27:12
177.   natepurcell
I'm starting to feel like Ned knows what he's doing. I wonder if anyone else feels the same way.

i always thought ned had a general idea of how to construct a ball club but then he went on to sign juan pierre and well...all bets are off!

2007-04-17 20:27:39
178.   Andrew Shimmin
Mandatory drug testing for third base coaches.

Now!

2007-04-17 20:27:47
179.   JoeyP
Byrnes just threw out Nomar by about 15 feet--even though the throw was pretty bad.
2007-04-17 20:28:16
180.   imperabo
That was a good throw, but why did the catcher take the ball there?
2007-04-17 20:28:24
181.   capdodger
Play for the win on the road and for a tie at home?
2007-04-17 20:28:58
182.   D4P
That play has me saying both "Boo-yrnes" and "Boo-is"
2007-04-17 20:29:43
183.   Marty
I hate Rich Donnelly.
2007-04-17 20:29:55
184.   Andrew Shimmin
Unless Donally expected Byrnes to break his leg, planting for the throw, there is no way he could have thought Nomar had a shot.
2007-04-17 20:30:07
185.   D4P
Do third base coaches make a lot of money? If so, I give up.
2007-04-17 20:30:07
186.   imperabo
AH, NM. Good play by Snyder.
2007-04-17 20:31:05
187.   capdodger
That was a pretty good slide, though. Nomar made it a lot closer than that play should have been.

Maybe he should give the others lessons.

2007-04-17 20:31:06
188.   Bluebleeder87
178

our 3rd base coach has made questionable calls since last year & I'm not talking about the playoffs debacle it goes even further than that.

2007-04-17 20:31:42
189.   underdog
Byrnes almost threw himself with that ball. That guy should go join a circus somewhere.

Nomar made a last minute leg reach to try and slap the plate but got nipped first. Yeah, Donnelly is... well, he's Donnelly. Over aggressive third base coach but a fun guy to have at parties.

2007-04-17 20:31:56
190.   Jon Weisman
New post up top. Sheesh.
2007-04-17 20:31:56
191.   JoeyP
Tomko is getting hammered.
Even the outs are hit hard.
2007-04-17 20:33:07
192.   underdog
185 You should go to third base coach correspondence school, and you, too, could be a rich man!
2007-04-17 20:33:30
193.   natepurcell
take tomko out and only start him at DS.
2007-04-17 20:40:05
194.   capdodger
That was a loud out. Next time, Russ. Next time.
2007-04-17 20:40:59
195.   JoeyP
Another loud out.

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