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May 7 Game Chat
2007-05-07 15:49
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Today's 4:05 p.m. game:


Retro Gameday

Comments (270)
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2007-05-07 15:55:34
1.   dzzrtRatt
From 192 in the previous thread:

One thing before I met you guys (if we can call it that) is I never concerned my self with VORP. Now I can't think about it enough (in a general perspective) and this adds to my frustration.

Is this a cry for help or what? Call Joe Morgan, STAT!

2007-05-07 15:56:03
2.   Bluebleeder87
Brad Penny's #'s don't lie he should have a good game today.
2007-05-07 15:59:22
3.   Vishal
which #s are those?
2007-05-07 16:01:29
4.   GoBears
Someone (I've never heard of) just got suspended for failing a drug test.

2007-05-07 16:03:06
5.   Vishal
[4] psst! griddle. :)
2007-05-07 16:03:40
6.   Bluebleeder87

the winning kind. ;)

2007-05-07 16:03:44
7.   LAT
So I was just wondering, a month into the season what do you all think of the Juan Pierre signing?

Bad joke but this dead horse is starting to rot. I too am guilty but can we go one day without swamping every thread with Pierre bashing.

2007-05-07 16:04:10
8.   D4P
I find it suspicious that only relative no-names actually get caught and publicized.
2007-05-07 16:04:51
9.   GoBears
5. Hey Bob! Sorry. I shall give myself a 4-hr timeout.
2007-05-07 16:07:41
10.   Vishal
it's too bad nobody wanted to talk about pie throwing over on the griddle. i must say i'm disappointed.
2007-05-07 16:14:44
11.   JoeyP
Penny in the Miami heat/humidity should be interesting to see.
2007-05-07 16:15:46
12.   Vishal
good, penny's trying to even out his strikeout-to-walk ratio.
2007-05-07 16:16:28
13.   Marty
"Juan Pierre grounds out softly"

Even Gameday hates him.

2007-05-07 16:17:03
14.   Vishal
2007-05-07 16:19:55
15.   natepurcell
i turn off my computer monitor every time pierre is at the plate.
2007-05-07 16:20:41
16.   Bluebleeder87

they've probably been reading Dthoughts.

2007-05-07 16:20:45
17.   Michael D
Penny looks great early.
2007-05-07 16:20:45
18.   bhsportsguy
Reuss is saying that despite what Penny is saying that he is pitching to contact, to do that he needs throw better than 2-1 and right now he is about 60/40.

He says that all Penny is doing is pitching against striking out batters.

He added that the numbers right now are small based on one month of pitching and it seems to be working for him.

Jerry Reuss just gave the best analysis on Brad Penny in a few sentences than a month of Kevin Kennedy/Steve Lyons blatherings.

2007-05-07 16:21:51
19.   Vishal
nice! i guess jeff kent didn't need a day off, after all.
2007-05-07 16:22:35
20.   Vishal
what does "better than 2-1" mean?
2007-05-07 16:22:51
21.   Bob Timmermann
Harking back to the previous thread, B-R turns up a LOT of players who played a half-inning on defense and never batted.
2007-05-07 16:23:22
22.   Branch Rickey
Kent bombed that. Seems like he tends to hit them in groups so hopefully there's more to come.
2007-05-07 16:23:37
23.   Bob Timmermann
Jeff Kent does not know "scientific baseball"
2007-05-07 16:24:03
24.   blue22
20 - I'd say either strike:ball ratio, or K:BB ratio.
2007-05-07 16:24:05
25.   Joshua Worley
Kent has hit two of his three home runs on the radio!

I guess this stat will vary from person to person.

2007-05-07 16:24:19
26.   still bevens
20 k/bb?
2007-05-07 16:24:49
27.   jasonungar07
Hello you have reached the voice mail box of Joe. A good base stealer should make the whole infield jumpy. Whether you steal or not, you're changing the rhythm of the game. If the pitcher is concerned about you, he isn't concentrating enough on the batter so leave me your name, a brief message your phone number cause that's one number that matters and I'll call you back.
2007-05-07 16:26:02
28.   Vishal
wow, the stadium looks really empty.
2007-05-07 16:27:26
29.   Branch Rickey
Martin illustrating my point from the last thread.
2007-05-07 16:28:36
30.   bhsportsguy
20 Sorry, Reuss said 66% so I misquoted him.
2007-05-07 16:28:58
31.   Vishal
nice to see martin going 1st to 3rd. god i love that kid.
2007-05-07 16:29:15
32.   Zak
18 The 2:1 ratio refers to strikes to balls. Penny's K to BB ratio is at 1:1 right now.
2007-05-07 16:29:23
33.   Vishal
[30] 66% strikes?
2007-05-07 16:29:54
34.   bhsportsguy
29 Russell is a very good baserunner, not necessarily fast (though faster than a lot of positon players, let alone catchers), some guys know how to run the bases and Martin knows how to do that very well.
2007-05-07 16:30:07
35.   Vishal
btw, congrats to laroche for his first MLB RBI :)
2007-05-07 16:30:22
36.   natepurcell
Russ Martin is the enforcer. A Canadian Mountee if you will.
2007-05-07 16:30:27
37.   Borchard504
Joe Borchard, of Camarillo HS, is out there in right field for the Fish. Look out for his big bat.
2007-05-07 16:30:34
38.   PDH5204
At least LaRoche knows when to hit the sac fly.
2007-05-07 16:31:01
39.   Doctor
I know it's been said before, but man... Russell Martin plays the game the right way.
2007-05-07 16:31:23
40.   bhsportsguy
33 Yep, I think it is similar to what Maddux does, when he hits his spots, he throws around the plate so batters get themselves out, that is pitching to contact.
2007-05-07 16:31:54
41.   still bevens
Nice to hear the incredibly loud beer vendor guy from spring training on the radio broadcast. Its like its still March.

I do not miss that highly annoying vero bell, however.

2007-05-07 16:32:04
42.   Vishal
yeah. if you walk a lot of people and then pitch to contact, you're going to get burned eventually.
2007-05-07 16:32:53
43.   Branch Rickey
34. I think his baserunning skills are an A+. But I think his speed might actually be B to B+. That pop up was pretty shallow and he flat beat the throw.
2007-05-07 16:33:25
44.   still bevens
37 Did he go to ACHS? I always like to support the Ventura County mlb folk.
2007-05-07 16:34:06
45.   blue22
42 - That's a nice description of Jeff Weaver's stint as a Seattle Mariner to date.
2007-05-07 16:35:12
46.   blue22
45 - Only replace "eventually" with "often".
2007-05-07 16:37:06
47.   Vishal
wow, penny looks awesome so far.
2007-05-07 16:37:09
48.   Benaiah
Penny got the message about the strike outs and walks I guess.
2007-05-07 16:37:14
49.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
27 made me laugh, so I have to mention it.
2007-05-07 16:38:02
50.   Branch Rickey
K:BB rato rising by the minute.
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2007-05-07 16:38:09
51.   bhsportsguy
I guess it helps if your team makes contact.
2007-05-07 16:38:11
52.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
Did Penny wake up and find his secret sauce today? Four K's in five outs?
2007-05-07 16:38:24
53.   PDH5204
He's pitching to contact, contact with Martin's glove.
2007-05-07 16:38:42
54.   natepurcell
He is turning that k/bb ratio around pretty quickly.
2007-05-07 16:38:42
55.   Bob Timmermann
Borchard's bio lists him as a 1997 graduate of Camarillo High.
2007-05-07 16:38:43
56.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
52 I mean, five K's in six outs?
2007-05-07 16:38:57
57.   Benaiah
52 - 5 in 6.
2007-05-07 16:39:05
58.   D4P
I am interested in Penny's start thus far.
2007-05-07 16:39:15
59.   Vishal
the way he's striking people out, it's like he switched out the two N's in his name for an A and a V.
2007-05-07 16:39:44
60.   Borchard504
Yes sir. I am fan, as my father was Borchard's dad's basketball coach at ACHS wayyy back in the mid60's.
2007-05-07 16:40:19
61.   still bevens
55 I was just curious if he was on the team the same time as Delwyn Young, another Camarillo product.
2007-05-07 16:40:36
62.   overkill94
Could somebody please change Furcal's calendar to June?
2007-05-07 16:41:14
63.   bhsportsguy
Nate, I guess you will be shutting off your Gameday in a few minutes so how about some quick thoughts on the opening month for some Dodger prospects.

A sentence will do.

1. Chin-ling Hu.
2. Blake Dewitt
3. Jon Meloan
4. Mike Megrew
5. Clayton Kershaw
6. Preston Mattingly
7. Tony Abreu
8. Greg Miller

2007-05-07 16:42:41
64.   FirstMohican
Wow. Glad I saw that AB on gameday instead of on TV.
2007-05-07 16:42:44
65.   D4P
Pierre has seen 10 pitches in 2 PAs.
2007-05-07 16:42:54
66.   natepurcell
that was so off the plate. i dont understand juan!!!
2007-05-07 16:43:25
67.   D4P
Nomar is inching ever closer to a sub-.700 OPS
2007-05-07 16:43:26
68.   Benaiah
The Marlins announcers: "Pierre is as tough to walk as he is to strike out."

BB%: 4.4% K%:9.2%(before that last one)

2007-05-07 16:43:49
69.   Vishal
[66] i know, me neither. he takes it right down the middle on 3-1, hoping to walk, and waves at what was definitely ball four to strike out.
2007-05-07 16:45:27
70.   Vishal
i don't even like the way he does the chicken dance with his elbows as a timing mechanism. everything about him grates. i wish it didn't.
2007-05-07 16:46:18
71.   overkill94
I don't think I've ever seen Penny get so many swing-and-a-misses. Is it progress or just the fact that the Marlins strike out a ton?
2007-05-07 16:46:33
72.   Vishal
penny dialed it up to 97 for that strikeout.
2007-05-07 16:46:46
73.   Andrew Shimmin
Pierre's career: 262 Ks, 264 BBs.
2007-05-07 16:47:27
74.   Benaiah
Awesome play by Kent.
2007-05-07 16:47:43
75.   blue22
70 - 2011 isn't that far away, when you think of it in terms of geologic time.
2007-05-07 16:48:24
76.   D4P
I suspect Pierre is one of those players who is so embarrassed by striking out looking that he avoids it at what amounts to a very high cost.
2007-05-07 16:48:33
77.   Benaiah
For those watching at home, Kent covers first on a bunt and narrowly beats the head first dive. It was great fundamentals from the rose bush.
2007-05-07 16:49:09
78.   Zak
75 There is no way Pierre is starting for the Dodgers in 2009 even.
2007-05-07 16:49:20
79.   D4P
I guess Penny's still upset at the Marlins for trading him.
2007-05-07 16:49:35
80.   Bluebleeder87
as god is my witness i love this sport
2007-05-07 16:49:52
81.   Vishal
haha, that was great. nolasco fouled off the breaking pitch with two strikes. penny was visibly annoyed. martin must've called for it again, but penny shook him off; he wanted to throw the heat. blew nolasco away at 97.
2007-05-07 16:50:19
82.   Benaiah
At what point should we stop mentioning the strikeouts under some sort of rule 9 jinxing thing? It isn't precisely covered, but if we are giving the ratios then there is something implicit to it.
2007-05-07 16:51:00
83.   Zak
Brad Penny thru 3 innings - a 67.5% strikes to balls ratio.
2007-05-07 16:51:21
84.   natepurcell
1. Hu- the contact and XBHs are really nice but i would love to see more walks.

2. Dewitt- He needs to start hitting soon or else his prospect status will go up in smoke. Right now, he looks like someone who Colletti is going to move in a mid season deal.

3. Meloan- Im concerned about health issues. Although there hasnt been any publicized health issues, he has barely pitched in the last week or so and last year he missed the beginning of the year because of health concerns.

4. Megrew- Hes getting me excited about his future prospects. His control came back and i think he could be a potential #4 starter in the majors.

5. Kershaw- Looks as advertised except for some issues with the walks. I would like to see him develop his change up further and maybe trying to perfect it. He should move fast next year.

6. Mattingly- the intial struggles were expected but he still has nice tools. The dodgers should move him to CF and get it over with as SS is not going to be his future position.

7. Abreu- hes been making me eat alot of crow lately although i still feel he is going to have a hard adjustment period to big league pitching due to plate discipline issues. I would like to think he is the heir to furcal after 2008 which would make his lack of ability to draw walks not that big of deal.

8. Miller- Healthy is all i can ask. He is healthy and throwing from his old arm slot. The stats or walks dont bother me right now. He'll eventually get it back together if he stays healthy.

2007-05-07 16:53:14
85.   Vishal
hrmm... first LA dodger to hit for the cycle, 1970...
2007-05-07 16:53:28
86.   Benaiah
The Aflac question was answered earlier here.
2007-05-07 16:54:20
87.   Andrew Shimmin
Very good. Never do that again.
2007-05-07 16:54:45
88.   Vishal
i have a serious nonsexual mancrush on russ martin.
2007-05-07 16:55:04
89.   Benaiah
Martin and Kent combine for the cycle.
2007-05-07 16:55:27
90.   blutomania

1. Chin-ling Hu. Better late than never with the bat. But he's blocked behind Furcal, no?
2. Blake Dewitt - Seemed to be a moneyball pick, but hasn't really developed.
3. Jon Meloan - I don't get why he doesn't get a crack as a SP, but looks to be a fine RP in development.
4. Mike Megrew - Always liked him as an under the radar guy.
5. Clayton Kershaw - Love the potential and the makeup, I'd bring him along slowly.
6. Preston Mattingly - He may be young enough to have a chance when Furcal leaves, but can he play SS?
7. Tony Abreu - I wish he got more exposure, seems like trade bait unfortunately.
8. Greg Miller - There's no such thing as a pitching prospect. He defines that expression. He's looking good though.

2007-05-07 16:55:39
91.   bhsportsguy
84 Thanks
Based on what you were saying last year, how much did the first half in Florida screw up Dewitt?

Okay - I now ban any Russell Martin negative comments for myself for the remainer of 2007, I'm sure for his career is forthcoming.

2007-05-07 16:56:11
92.   PDH5204
Thank Russ for that triple, i.e., mark 1 up in the 3B category for this week.
2007-05-07 16:56:20
93.   LAT
Squeeze time?
2007-05-07 16:56:50
94.   LAT
93. Nevermind.
2007-05-07 16:57:02
95.   bhsportsguy
90 If Canuckdodger, ToyCannon chimes in, then I will get the cycle of prospect commentators.
2007-05-07 16:57:25
96.   Benaiah
87 - Martin is a gamer but be careful! Between playing about 150 games a year and sliding head first into every base I am a little worried of the superhero's safety.
2007-05-07 16:57:27
97.   overkill94
LaRoche sure has an explosive swing, no wonder that little body (height-wise at least) can produce so much power
2007-05-07 16:57:28
98.   ryu
LaRoche's picture on Yahoo! Sports makes him look like 40 years old.
2007-05-07 16:57:29
99.   bhsportsguy
Andy LaRoche saying I am here to stay.
2007-05-07 16:57:44
100.   Branch Rickey

Huh, huh? A-La?

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2007-05-07 16:57:47
101.   theweakspot in LA
LaRoche = LaRibbie.
2007-05-07 16:58:00
102.   blutomania
Squeeze Time, Redux?
2007-05-07 16:58:45
103.   Vishal
i am loving this game so far.
2007-05-07 16:58:54
104.   overkill94
Let the hit parade continue!
2007-05-07 16:59:05
105.   Humma Kavula
So this is what offense is like.
2007-05-07 16:59:40
106.   natepurcell
Blake Dewitt - Seemed to be a moneyball pick, but hasn't really developed.

I dont understand, explain.


at first, i think it played a part in it but after an extended period of plain not hitting, I dont know what to think anymore. He never was considered incredibly toolsy and his athleticism is limited a bit.

2007-05-07 17:00:15
107.   Humma Kavula
Rick Monday just said the words, "This is a very, very small sample size."
2007-05-07 17:00:15
108.   trainwreck
Wow, even LaRoche is going to steal on this team.
2007-05-07 17:00:17
109.   Benaiah
6-7-8 are our 3-4-5, though Kent hasn't been doing too bad either.
2007-05-07 17:01:08
110.   bhsportsguy
Will Pierre bunt now?
2007-05-07 17:01:27
111.   overkill94
Penny wouldn't have been out if the ball had hit him since it already hit a fielder, right?
2007-05-07 17:01:39
112.   Branch Rickey
110. Shocking!
2007-05-07 17:02:06
113.   bhsportsguy
My regret about this game is that it is on KCAL so no replay tonight.
2007-05-07 17:02:06
114.   Jon Weisman
I'm supposedly going to be on 710 AM within a few minutes. No idea what the subject will be. Maybe crosswalks.
2007-05-07 17:03:57
115.   natepurcell
I think Nomar is hiding an injury.
2007-05-07 17:04:23
116.   overkill94
Poor Pierre and Nomar don't get to join the hit parade yet. So when does the Martin to the 2-spot discussion get serious?
2007-05-07 17:04:25
117.   natepurcell

juan pierre.

2007-05-07 17:04:41
118.   Bob Timmermann
You are correct.
2007-05-07 17:04:48
119.   D4P
And with that, Nomar's OPS is officially under .700 (.698)
2007-05-07 17:04:56
120.   underdog
I missed the first few innings, got home, saw this meaty inning, and am very happy. Plus I got to see the Juan Pierre special, a little squibber that he just beats out, avoiding a double play. Nobody does that better.

Also noticed there's only like 12 people in the stands. I know this is Florida and all, but gosh, that's depressing to look at.

At this point, Nelasco's like Col. Steve Austin, a man barely alive. (Unfortunately, the Marlins can't rebuild him.)

2007-05-07 17:05:29
121.   theweakspot in LA
I was on "The Herd" once. I tried defending DePo and Colin hung up on me and called me, "dodger homer."

Didn't even let me explain.

2007-05-07 17:05:34
122.   bhsportsguy
Wow hockey talk on 710.
2007-05-07 17:06:16
123.   Branch Rickey
114. Looks like they have a link to "listen live".
2007-05-07 17:06:25
124.   bhsportsguy
116 Russell does do a good job driving in runs.
2007-05-07 17:07:13
125.   blutomania
106 I remember, but don't want to look for, an interview at Baseball America which mentioned that DeWitt was of interest to a number of "moneyball teams". That said, the last thing I want to do is:

1. Start any type of thread that brings up a debate about the Dodgers' former GM.
2. Claim that Logan White didn't have final say in the draft.

Maybe I shouldn't have said anything.

But I did.

2007-05-07 17:07:22
126.   jasonungar07
Watching LaRoche yesterday reminded me of the guy on the Daily Show (Demetri Martin).
2007-05-07 17:07:31
127.   theweakspot in LA
The real question is, "When does the Martin in the 3-hole discussion get serious?"
2007-05-07 17:08:15
128.   Zak
121 I don't think Colin has ever let anyone who doesn't agree with him explain anything. The guy has become impossible to listen to.
2007-05-07 17:08:29
129.   overkill94
121 My only radio experience was when I called into some show the day of the Bradley trade (710 or 570 probably) to express my approval. It was nothing to write home about, but I was fairly excited.
2007-05-07 17:09:03
130.   Vishal
penny needs to stop throwing fastballs to ramirez.
2007-05-07 17:09:47
131.   Vishal
i guess that's a good way to stop. that strikeout was costly though.
2007-05-07 17:10:01
132.   Brent is a Dodger Fan


Huh. 8 K's in 10 outs.

2007-05-07 17:10:29
133.   Vishal
i got to talk with depo on either kcrw or kpcc once.
2007-05-07 17:10:42
134.   overkill94
127 He really is looking like the best 3-hole hitter on the team, but I would venture to guess that Gonzo would be stuck there if anything happened to Nomar. Pierre's struggles are the real issue so far.
2007-05-07 17:10:45
135.   Humma Kavula
Now nine Ks.
2007-05-07 17:10:53
136.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
9 in 11!
2007-05-07 17:11:00
137.   Branch Rickey
Who is this guy?
2007-05-07 17:11:20
138.   JoeyP
Penny's K'ed 9 of 11 so far.
2007-05-07 17:11:27
139.   trainwreck
I cannot seem to the get the listen live feature to work from 710's website.
2007-05-07 17:11:59
140.   bhsportsguy
Wilson Betemit talk.

I'm sure Jon wanted to scream, the weakest link is the 45 million dollar man not the minimum salaried guy who just had back to back pinch hit homers.

Other frightening news is that Ireland claims to read DT.

2007-05-07 17:12:15
141.   Vishal
awwwwwwwwwww :(

nice try by furcal

2007-05-07 17:12:16
142.   Benaiah
Drat. I thought Furcal might save it.
2007-05-07 17:12:20
143.   overkill94
I don't think Penny was going to be able to finish the interesting game anyway with all these strikeouts.
2007-05-07 17:12:24
144.   JoeyP
This game is no longer interesting.
Cheap hit for Miguel
2007-05-07 17:12:37
145.   bhsportsguy
134 Based on Grady's sub pattern, Loney would bat 3rd.
2007-05-07 17:13:43
146.   bhsportsguy
133 Probably KPCC on either Airtalk or the old Kitty Felde show.
2007-05-07 17:13:44
147.   Zak
I have six cubicles within 10 feet of me, so THEY don't give us speakers with our comupters. But we do get some cheese if we make it to the middle of the office.
2007-05-07 17:13:45
148.   overkill94
140 I think Ireland was the guy I called into, he and his partner actually seemed pretty knowledgable that one time I listened to them (I normally can't stand sports talk radio).
2007-05-07 17:13:52
149.   underdog
So can we jinx the no hitter now? Whee!

Rats. And yeah, all these K's and lengthy at bats make me doubt that Penny will not quite get a CG here.

2007-05-07 17:14:32
150.   Vishal
yeah, it was kitty felde! that's right. depo appreciated my comments, heh.
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2007-05-07 17:14:39
151.   underdog
What's eating Penny here?
2007-05-07 17:14:46
152.   Sam in SC
the fox florida guys are dumping on penny . . . "never been a nine inning guy . . . ".
2007-05-07 17:15:35
153.   Bob Timmermann
He's turned into Brad Peavey today!
2007-05-07 17:15:46
154.   theweakspot in LA
Is anyone else just REALLY excited to have LaRoche up and playing SO well.

I mean, it's like saving up your money for something shiny and special... and now it's here.

2007-05-07 17:16:34
155.   El Lay Dave
Brad wants Jon to write about Penny, not Peavy.
2007-05-07 17:17:16
156.   JoeyP
How is LaRoche playing so well?
He's played like 13 innings.
2007-05-07 17:17:35
157.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
If I stop telling you how many strikeouts Penny has versus how many total outs there have been (since I'm clearly not adding any value there), will he stop striking out almost every batter?

Or, would it be funny just to say:

"GameDay must be broken. It keeps saying Brad Penny is striking everybody out."

2007-05-07 17:17:56
158.   theweakspot in LA
Anyone remember the first game Penny pitched for the Dodgers... I'm trying to find it on Retro Sheet.

I do believe it was the best outing he's had for us.

2007-05-07 17:18:03
159.   El Lay Dave
153 155 Bob Timmermann, fastest keyboard in the west, outdraws yet another commenter.
2007-05-07 17:18:52
160.   El Lay Dave
157 No and yes.
2007-05-07 17:19:03
161.   PDH5204
In other news, too bad we couldn't have faced Chuck James in Atlanta. He's walked Chris Young twice now and he just got yanked as a consequence [well, that and the bases are juiced with 1 out]. Something is otherwise seriously wrong with GameChannel/StatTracker, as Ethier scored but remained at 3rd, while LaRoche disappeared, and now, with the bases juiced and only 1 out, Marcus Giles hit into a fielder's choice, Chris Young out at 2nd, inning over.
2007-05-07 17:19:42
162.   El Lay Dave
64 pitches for Penny through 4.
2007-05-07 17:20:37
163.   trainwreck
I remember it distinctly, because I was at a Giants' fans house on Trigo watching the game and getting excited by our new ace. I felt DePo was going to be vindicated.


2007-05-07 17:21:09
164.   JoeyP
The Marlins broadcast is pretty entertaining.
2007-05-07 17:21:38
165.   theweakspot in LA
@156... ok, so I'm excited. But 2 for 5 with 2 runs and 2 RBI's is a lot better than 0 for 5 with 5Ks.
2007-05-07 17:22:45
166.   blutomania
164 Where can one hear the Marlins' broadcast?
2007-05-07 17:23:31
167.   JoeyP
Its the feed on MLB.TV
They've got Josh Johnson and some other player working the cameras.
2007-05-07 17:23:47
168.   El Lay Dave

There's a link on there to retrosheet's version, also.

2007-05-07 17:24:05
169.   overkill94
158 I believe it was an 8-inning two-hitter against the Pirates with 10 K's, followed immediately by a freak biceps nerve injury
2007-05-07 17:24:32
170.   Benaiah
Is the Dodger team record for strike outs 18 by Koufax?
2007-05-07 17:25:01
171.   overkill94
Dang, I was way off on the number of strikeouts
2007-05-07 17:25:25
172.   Bob Timmermann
Koufax had 18 Ks twice and Ramon Martinez once.
2007-05-07 17:25:45
173.   bhsportsguy
First start as a Dodger:
8 IP 0 runs 2 hits 1 BB 4 K

Last year in Colorado

8.1 IP 0 runs 5 hits 2 BB 5 K

2007-05-07 17:26:31
174.   overkill94
170 Din't Lucille I have 20 in a game one time?
2007-05-07 17:27:15
175.   bhsportsguy
This game will confuse a lot of commentators on Penny's start this year. But again, it is only one game.
2007-05-07 17:27:39
176.   Humma Kavula
174 I could be wrong, but I thought only Clemens, Wood, and Johnson had had 20 in 9 innings.
2007-05-07 17:28:09
177.   theweakspot in LA
Anyone willing to venture how many Ks he'll end up with tonight?
2007-05-07 17:28:14
178.   Samuel

I thought it was 18K's

2007-05-07 17:28:33
179.   underdog
These Marlins announcers make me want to poke at my ears with sharp objects.

I guess they're so bored with the game that they spent a whole inning chatting with two dull camera guys, one of whom was so distracted he couldn't focus the camera properly on the base runner. Then there were cheerleaders behind them, fodder for more witty commentary.

{poke jab poke}

2007-05-07 17:28:47
180.   overkill94
176 I guess it was the whole tying the team record thing that made it stick out in my mind so much. Maybe it tied the NL-record as well...Bob?
2007-05-07 17:29:04
181.   Humma Kavula
177 I'll go with 15. Either he'll get some quicker outs or the pitch count will get him.
2007-05-07 17:29:05
182.   DodgerBakers
177. That might violate the spirit of law #9
2007-05-07 17:29:14
183.   Zak
177 12.
2007-05-07 17:29:31
184.   Andrew Shimmin
172- says 18K in nine innings has been done five times. . .
2007-05-07 17:29:47
185.   JoeyP
179--The camera guys are Marlins players--Josh Johnson and Logan Kensing--both on the DL.
2007-05-07 17:30:07
186.   Samuel
June 4, 1990: The Dodgers Ramon Martinez, 22, strikes out 18 Braves in a 2–0 win. He ties Sandy Koufax's club record and is one short of the National League mark. Martinez whiffed none in the 9th inning.
2007-05-07 17:30:15
187.   underdog
Shouldn't there be a strikeout record jinx rule, too?
2007-05-07 17:30:17
188.   overkill94
I don't know what Olivo's whining about, that was right on the inside corner
2007-05-07 17:30:30
189.   Humma Kavula
Well, there's 11.
2007-05-07 17:31:12
190.   underdog
185 Ah okay, I missed that intro - makes more sense now, even if it still remains incredibly dull.
2007-05-07 17:31:27
191.   DodgerBakers
Whatever the case, the more strikeouts Penny gets, the more his trade value goes up. In real life and in Fantasy Baseball.
2007-05-07 17:31:48
192.   Branch Rickey
Pitch count won't allow him anywhere near 18.
2007-05-07 17:32:10
193.   Humma Kavula
12 now in five innings.
2007-05-07 17:32:39
194.   JoeyP
12 in 5ip
2007-05-07 17:32:48
195.   underdog
2007-05-07 17:33:02
196.   El Lay Dave
79 pitches through 5 for Penny. Oh, and 12 Ks.
2007-05-07 17:33:13
197.   JoeyP
191--Whom exactly would you trade Brad Penny for?
2007-05-07 17:33:29
198.   Branch Rickey
192. Okay, maybe near it.
2007-05-07 17:33:35
199.   Chiron Brown
Brad Penny is so fierce that even when he puts the ball over the plate hitters jump out of the way.
2007-05-07 17:34:04
200.   Andrew Shimmin
186- Looks like the final score on that game was 6-0. Juan Samuel was 2/3 with a BB and an HR.
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2007-05-07 17:34:37
201.   overkill94
Speaking of strikeouts, Tigers phenom Joel Zumaya's gonna have to have surgery for a torn tendon in his middle finger and will miss 3 months. Does this make Broxton the most dominating setup man in baseball?
2007-05-07 17:36:01
202.   overkill94
Steve Lyons is a regular Nostradamus
2007-05-07 17:36:07
203.   JoeyP
Too much Guitar Hero for Zumaya.
2007-05-07 17:36:44
204.   DodgerBakers
197. I know that is the question people keep asking as it is the most important, who do you want. As far as real baseball, I want Andruw Jones for 3 years. However, I understand that would be hardly realistic. In fantasy baseball, however, my main focus, is to acquire a top tier outfielder. I think I can get one for Penny knowing the other people in my league.
2007-05-07 17:36:46
205.   El Lay Dave
Before tonight Florida led the NL by striking out 263 times. That's in about 1214 PAs.
2007-05-07 17:37:51
206.   underdog
The Rich Donnelly "chicken runs at midnight" story about his departed daughter and the Marlins playoff run is always kinda touching and makes me not want to make fun of his 3rd base coaching skills. For a few days anyway.
2007-05-07 17:39:43
207.   underdog
Pierre actually deserved to get a hit on that one - nice play by Jacobs but Pierre hustled past him.
2007-05-07 17:40:29
208.   Branch Rickey
Pierre with another hit off an infielders glove. Not saying that to take anything away from him but it's sure weird.
2007-05-07 17:41:48
209.   CanuckDodger
Hu: Best defensive SS in the minors and now he is OPS'ing over .900 in a pitcher's league without being too old? Let him play a full year in Vegas in '08 and don't even THINK of extending Furcal past '08.

DeWitt: I am really hoping he is playing through an injury, like Loney did a couple years ago. If DeWitt doesn't have an excuse, or doesn't change things for the better, soon, his prospect status may be history.

Meloan: Obviously he does well when he pitches, but he seems to get an awful lot of rest for a reliever, making me wonder if he is durable enough to pitch on short rest --like he would have to in the majors.

Megrew: Performing well, but has a limited ceiling, and is in an organization with multiple higher-ceiling pitching prospects. If Colletti tries to make a trade in the next couple months, I think he will dangle Megrew and hope that keeps the dogs from barking for more savory prospect meat.

Kershaw: Performing in line with what I expected. Anybody who thought his ridiculously low walk rate would carry over from the lowest rung of rookie ball was not being realistic.

Mattingly: Over-matched in low A right now, but so are quite a few other highly-drafted high school hitters from last year. Probably should be dropped back to the Pioneer League when that league gets going in late June. Dodgers may in denial about his defense.

Abreu: Love him. SHOULD be Kent's replacement at 2B for next year. Probably will couple with Kent to be next year's Garciaparra/Loney fiasco.

Miller: The lack of control is painful to see, but I suppose staying healthy and starting is enough to hope for in 2007. Will still have one minor league option remaining in 2008, so next year can be devoted to putting up the pretty numbers Miller will need if he is to be a candidate to start for the Dodgers in 2009.

2007-05-07 17:42:36
210.   Humma Kavula
One pitch. That's good.
2007-05-07 17:43:07
211.   Zak
Pierre is on pace for 716 PAs this season. That hurts my mind.
2007-05-07 17:45:15
212.   JoeyP
Watching Penny tonight reminds me of what Broxton could have been developed into.
2007-05-07 17:45:22
213.   Humma Kavula
"Uggla" is Norwegian for "Pierre."
2007-05-07 17:48:09
214.   Zak
91 pitches... I say he pitches one more inning max.
2007-05-07 17:48:28
215.   natepurcell

i dont think broxton could maintain a consistent mid 90s velocity into games.

2007-05-07 17:51:59
216.   Branch Rickey
212. Broxton may be more valuable to this team doing what he is doing and what he will be doing than he would as a starter.
2007-05-07 17:57:20
217.   underdog
Great, now Logan and Josh are joining the announcing booth.
2007-05-07 17:57:26
218.   Humma Kavula
2007-05-07 17:57:53
219.   JoeyP
You dont see that everyday.
2007-05-07 17:58:23
220.   underdog
I think Jacobs needs to superglue his hand to the bat. Or Nomar needs to don body armor.
2007-05-07 17:59:19
221.   JoeyP
Was that the ghost of Harry Caray?
2007-05-07 18:00:27
222.   Gen3Blue
I just got in--how has Penny been doing this. I hear he has 13 K's
2007-05-07 18:00:54
223.   DodgerBakers
Interesting note: Through 100 pitches, both starters had 69 strikes to 31 balls.
2007-05-07 18:01:31
224.   Branch Rickey
222. Just blowing people away. He's thrown 10-1 fastballs even though his curveball looks as good as I've ever seen it.
2007-05-07 18:01:59
225.   El Lay Dave
223 Apparently one's strikes were a bit more hittable.
2007-05-07 18:02:30
226.   DodgerBakers
BTW, was the double to Pierre a real double or a stretched single? Just out of curiosity, no slight to Pierre intended.
2007-05-07 18:04:01
227.   JoeyP
That was a good effort from LaRoche.
2007-05-07 18:04:17
228.   Humma Kavula
Real double, according to Monday's call.
2007-05-07 18:04:29
229.   El Lay Dave
226 ? Pierre doesn't have a double?
2007-05-07 18:04:57
230.   Humma Kavula

20 is still technically in reach, but I'll bet that's all for Penny.

2007-05-07 18:05:20
231.   Branch Rickey
Penny takes that ball and stuffs it in his pocket. He's stoked.
2007-05-07 18:05:21
232.   JoeyP
14 wow.
His game score must be perfect.
2007-05-07 18:05:26
233.   Humma Kavula
He was talking about Borchard's double to center.
2007-05-07 18:05:49
234.   natepurcell
What is Pennys gamescore for tonight? I assuming its going to be a career best.
2007-05-07 18:06:42
235.   Jon Weisman
Penny now leads the majors in ERA to boot.
2007-05-07 18:07:09
236.   regfairfield
Assuming Penny is done, his K/9 just went from 3.52 to 5.76.
2007-05-07 18:07:16
237.   trainwreck
I hope I am not facing Penny in fantasy baseball.
2007-05-07 18:07:34
238.   Jon Weisman
Oh wait - John Maine's at 1.37.
2007-05-07 18:07:41
239.   El Lay Dave
233 Ah, I read "to" as "by".

230 110 pitches - seems likely.

2007-05-07 18:07:57
240.   underdog
That double was all Borchard - it almost got out of there completely. Nothing to do with Pierre. Penny's pitched this whole game like he's pitched in spurts previously - rather than a few great innings and then a couple of bad ones or losing steam, he's been on just about all night. I don't know if he's done or not yet but I'd love to see him go one more just to see.

Logan doing play by play = Ambient (or "Napien" as it was called in The Simpsons)

2007-05-07 18:08:41
241.   El Lay Dave
Who's up in the pen?
2007-05-07 18:09:01
242.   Chiron Brown
Oh Lord, no!!!
2007-05-07 18:09:05
243.   scareduck
LaRoche gets on base twice! Woot!
2007-05-07 18:09:23
244.   Jon Weisman
Penny's game score is currently 81.

2007-05-07 18:09:24
245.   natepurcell
I hate you Jorge Julio.
2007-05-07 18:10:18
246.   El Lay Dave
Julio's bad, but he doesn't need to drag Dodgers down with him.
2007-05-07 18:10:19
247.   Branch Rickey
I assume we'll be up 9-0 after this at bat.
2007-05-07 18:10:37
248.   scareduck
235, 238 - Clemens still hasn't had a start. Give it time.
2007-05-07 18:10:41
249.   underdog
Ouch. Looks like LaRoche is okay, but that's got to sting. Betemit pinch hit alert. Penny's done.
2007-05-07 18:10:49
250.   El Lay Dave
Hoping for an interesting AB for Betemit.
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2007-05-07 18:11:45
251.   El Lay Dave
Instead, Wilson echos Penny's theme.
2007-05-07 18:11:55
252.   Branch Rickey
247- I meant 8-0 but forget it anyway.
2007-05-07 18:12:04
253.   underdog
Betemit the Struggling appeared in that last at bat. Betemit the Powerful took the day off, apparently.
2007-05-07 18:12:22
254.   Gen3Blue
Ahhh Relief. Often when I start watching I cause a collapse but it didn't happen. At the first sign of things going wrong I will take a walk. Incidentally, these Marlins announcers are awful.
2007-05-07 18:12:31
255.   El Lay Dave
249 Where'd it get him?
2007-05-07 18:13:00
256.   JoeyP
Kensing even called Seanez a 'journeymen'.
2007-05-07 18:14:43
257.   Gen3Blue
These announcers are like amatuer night at Waconah Park. ( The subject of "Foul Ball" by Jim Bouton)
2007-05-07 18:15:25
258.   scareduck
256 - how is that inaccurate?
2007-05-07 18:15:56
259.   scareduck
256 - pluralism aside, of course.
2007-05-07 18:16:10
260.   Jon Weisman
Folks, if'n you don't mind, move on up to the new thread.
2007-05-07 18:16:16
261.   underdog
I know he's pitched okay as of late but every time I see Seanez come in, no matter what the score, I worry.
2007-05-07 18:16:36
262.   Sam in SC
now we're listening to the spanish language broadcast on fox florida. the fun just never ends.
2007-05-07 18:16:49
263.   JoeyP
Its not, I just think its funny to hear current players speak like that of another player.

Journeyman isnt always a term of endearment.

2007-05-07 18:20:15
264.   Gen3Blue
I've been every where, man! But these announcers are right in one respect. I was going to say they are right that they are seeing a wonderful bull-pen---but that was Ugly.
2007-05-07 18:26:41
265.   Vishal
harrumph. i totally beat bob to the penny/peavy thing back in [59], but of course he gets all the credit. :P
2007-05-07 18:27:42
266.   Jon Weisman
265 - I noticed.
2007-05-07 18:32:47
267.   Gen3Blue
There is some risk in leaving Seanez in. I hope it is as minimal as Grits seems to think.
2007-05-07 18:56:22
268.   Gen3Blue
Well tonight belonged to Martin, Ethier, and Laroche lead by Kent. It's the future I hope. Ok, Furcal and Pierre had a few hits (mostly infield) but Nomar is like 0 for 10 in the last two games, and the whole first four in the line-up are certainly "due". I can't help but be optimistic going forward.
2007-05-07 18:59:02
269.   Gen3Blue
I can apparently savor this victory and watch the Pillies and D-backs or Mets and Giants. For me the Mets /Giants is a dream game, for I will feed on whoever does well.
2007-05-07 19:05:16
270.   Vishal
[266] that actually makes me feel better.

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