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Most everyone has already talked out the decision today to have Derek Lowe pitch with first base open and runners on second and third in the bottom of the ninth of a scoreless game today. I've been trying to figure out why I wasn't as bothered by the choice as everyone else, but still bothered.
So here it is. It was that Lowe gave up the homer on a fat first pitch in the meat of the strike zone. If you're going to make the case that it's better to keep the bases unloaded, you'd hope to use that to your advantage. You want the hitter to work for his glory.
It was a mistake pitch - an honest mistake pitch. Honestly, you could almost call it a four-base E-1, because it was easily as big a flub as the previously error-free Wilson Betemit's miscue on the previous batter - especially after Lowe talked Grady Little into facing Josh Willingham. And that, more than anything that Little did or didn't do, killed me. Bad time for it, but it happens. Lowe pitched a super game up to the ninth, when everything went wrong, so how can you not pat him on the back.
As for Little's decision not to load the bases (after all, it's up to him in the end) ... though I probably would have walked the batter, I believe there's a case to support it. Lowe just needed to execute. But in any event, the Dodgers had 8 1/3 innings to make the point moot, and they didn't.
It could have been a much more successful road trip, but at 3-4 the Dodgers arguably held serve.
http://tinyurl.com/36et26
You can buy it as an 8x10 for six dollars plus shipping (assuming the place is legitimate; I have no way of knowing whether it is). Or you can buy what are purported to be signed copies, framed, from a dozen other places for between $111 and $200.
'Course, I could've checked the gametime. Just as well, I guess.
FWIW, I agree completely with Jon. I have never liked loading the bases in that situation; I say, leave it up to the pitcher.
Now I am watching the young Rockies, who lead the Giants 4-1. But SF seems to be on the verge of totally psyhcing out the poor Rocks. Could be a tough night.
X. imho, if you leave Lowe in, you walk the bases loaded and with his good control you most likely avoid the walk off walk and with his groundball tendancies you have a decent shot at turning a double play or getting a force out at home on a groundball. If you want to pitch to Willingham, you should bring in a strikeout pitcher like Saito or Broxton. Lowe was left in the game to either pitch around Willingham, which I don't like in that situation because you could end up throwing one to the backstop OR to strikeout Willingham and Lowe isn't exactly a power pitcher. vr, Xei
127AB 299/371/449 3hr 14bb 40k
the only blemish is the high K rate but im still pretty impressed considering i wrote him off not too long ago.
Tastes like sad :-(
Lowe: I can get this guy, skip
Grady: That's so stupid...What are you, stupid? That's so stupid.
Lowe: No, really, Skip. I got this guy
Grady: Walk him or I cut your thumbs off
Lowe: Okay, Skip!
"If that is the way the winds are blowing, let no one say that I don't also blow."
It was a bad move.
What are the two old adages in baseball? Win at home and break even on the road, and beat up on the bad teams and break even with the good ones? We're still in great shape heading home.
It just seemed nonconventional such a conventional manager.
Stan from Tacoma
But wait, Oklahoma puts a 3 spot on the board in the 10th. But before you know it, Vegas loads the bases with no out, a fielder's choice with an error score 2 and then Kelly Stinnett hits a 2 run homer to win the game 17-16.
The D'backs are a good team. So are the Dodgers, so are the Padres. Colorado has some bright spots and the Giants aren't completely hopeless as long as Barry keeps hitting, since they've got good pitching, if Lincecum is really ready.
vr, Xei
Watson started his travels in Vero Beach to look at 50 players still in extended spring training, went to the Dominican to look at those players, now he is in Jacksonville and he will next go to see the Loons.
He also has a nice personality from what I can hear.
He is on for an "inning", bottom of the 5th, top of the 6th but since there two pitching changes and a total of 10 runs scored, he talks for a while. I have only listed the "prospects" but they do talk about other players. Scott Elbert is not brought up probably because he is not in Jacksonville right now.
Xavier Paul - Had a great year last year (VB), have him playing CF this year. Try to get him to hit the ball up the middle. Above-average defender in RF with an above average arm, is learning CF.
Anthony Raglani, trying to re-establish himself as a prospect.
Mike Megrew, he labored a little tonight, look liked he repeated his delivery, had fastball command.
Chin-ling Hu, good hands, above average defender, said he added 8-10 pounds of muscle during the off-season. Played well defensively in Arizona Fall League.
Jon Meloan - Had a really good major league camp, wants to see him as a multiple inning pitcher who can throw back to back days.
21 Thanks for that report. It's interesting the experimentation going on and the number of guys they now have who could conceivably play centerfield, if, like, you know who were traded at some point. Hu sounds like someone who is on such an upswing these days that he should have a chance at the big club next year.
While I don't virulently disagree with the decision, I would've walked him.
Now, on to more important stuff... anybody catch that photo of the Globetrotters playing defense at Dodger Stadium? One of the Globies became an NBA All-Star.
I am just hoping that all the pieces for a trade are being put together so that a trade will be executed June 1 that will free up places on the 25 man roster for Kemp and Loney.
now alls I have to do for the next week before graduation is catch up on some 600+ DT comments...uhoh...
did this board catch the rather interesting discussion of a certain Giants LFer here?
http://tinyurl.com/ypepn4
I nearly snarfed my coffee on that comment. Mostly because I have watched so many of those episodes that I could see and hear Quimby saying that line. Long live Sideshow Bob
Russell Martin (C, LA)
Year to date: .330 BA, 2 HR, 21 RBI, 5 SB
How real is it? Martin continues to develop at a brisk pace, there's not much reason to place limits on what he is capable of at this point in his young career.
What if it continues? We have not seen a catcher in this mold in some time. He is a better pure hitter than a young Craig Biggio or Jason Kendall, and runs at least as well as either. As a pure hitter, there are similarities to Joe Mauer, albeit with a little less power (for now). His early PX growth (91 in 2006, 118 in 2007) suggest that power may well be on the way. We have never had to consider the roto value of a .300-20-20 catcher. That question may soon become relevant.
"The D'backs are getting by in spite of the fact that 25.3 percent of their plate appearances have gone to regulars- Stephen Drew, Conor Jackson, and Alberto Callaspo --who have played below replacement level. Looking at players with lesser field time as well (and excluding pitchers), Arizona has expended 43.1 percent of its plate appearances on those in the negative VORP club. Does that sound like a lot? How does it compare to the rest of the league?"
Percentage of plate appearances expended on players with negative VORP:
55.5: Cardinals
48.8: Pirates
47.3: Dodgers
43.1: Diamondbacks
28.5: Padres
24.7: Nationals
20.8: Rockies
19.7: Marlins
18.6: Brewers
18.1: Reds
17.2: Giants
14.1: Braves
13.8: Mets
13.0: Cubs
11.6: Astros
5.8: Phillies
We'd be the Cardinals if not for our pitching.
Hitting Furcal third would be a temporary thing with me to tweek both Furcal and Nomar's thinking. Nomar's focus might include his twins which means he is not singularly focused when he comes to bat.
Like others have suggested, I think it makes very little difference where Pierre bats -- 1st, 2nd, 8th. He'll hit what he hits and it'll have very little effect on team runs scored.
Still, if that's true, why not jumble the lineup after one good game? Why not give some positive reinforcement? If it makes no difference, why not, just in case we're wrong? He probably can't hit any worse than he's hitting now.
The danger, I guess, is that moving Juan to leadoff might be seen as a panacea. All the Dodgers' problems solved! That's, um, highly unlikely.
Of course, this all assumes that Pierre remains a starter.
I am not saying I agree with this but I can see Little thinking this way.
As much as I don't enjoy watching Pierre and Gonzo and Betemit play, Grady would risk chaos if he were to treat too many players as platoon players. Roles are important and players need to be comfortable that once in a role they will have some time in that role before losing it or sharing it.
That said, times up.
Pierre and Gonzo will start all year because of this.
I agree, times up, but Grady's stop watch is still ticking.
Gonzalez is slightly different. Because he's only signed for one year, and because he is so much older than Pierre, a long, extended slump could bench him in favor of a young pup. Unlikely, to be sure, but imaginable in a way that benching Pierre is not.
47 is right when he suggests that Betemit is in a different boat entirely.
Martin is the top catcher in the NL. Yay! And then...
Nomar-10th
Kent-4th
3rd- No qualifiers (Betemit would be 12th)
Furcal-13th
Gonzalez-10th
Pierre-11th
Ethier-6th
If you add the American League position players, well, then things really get ugly.
These days the only thing I like about Grady is his sense of humor.
"Without looking too hard, it seemed to me as early as the sixth that Lowe was making out-of-character outs (i.e., flyballs). While he survived into the eighth, there was no reason to leave him in for the ninth."
7th Inning
Groundout to Short
Groundout to 3rd
Double
Strike out
8th Inning
Line out
Strike out
Groundout to Short
9th Inning
Walk
Groundball to 3rd (E)
Groundout to Pitcher
HR
Nothing in the 7th or 8th inning would be characterized as him having "survived into the eighth" and with his low pitch count there would be no reason not to leave him in for the 9th.
Lowe just made one mistake pitch and when your team scores no runs, one mistake is all the opposition needs.
Barring injury we are stuck with Kent, Nomar, Gonzo and Pierre in the lineup most days. That is the heart of our order and we are going to have to ride them all year.
I don't mind Kent but I don't think he is a cleanup hitter anymore. Nomar may turn it around but I am starting to think that we are seeing the real Nomar.
Gonzo and Pierre, well, I will leave that alone.
I am not comfortable with this lineup long term and I dont know how to improve it.
Post 51 spells it out pretty clearly. 3 positions we are above average and 5 are double digits in a 16 team league. Hopefully we have fixed 3B and SS will improve. I am not expecting Gonzo or Pierre to improve substantially so everyone else will have to carry them.
If this continues management will have to decide to put big $ on the bench (admit a mistake was made) or ride this train to where ever it may lead.
http://tinyurl.com/yq92h5
Actually, this is nice thing that they don't have to do.
It was good to see Gagne pitch again yesterday. It was his first appearance since coming off the DL. He pitched the 9th and got 3 outs on 7 pitches. With the Yankees down 14-2 maybe they were just in a hurry to leave but it was still nice to see. Go get em Eric.
1. We didn't score, Lowe didn't lose because he gave up the homer, he lost because we didn't give him a run. It is a team game though, and our team lost, not just Lowe.
2. I think with a 1-0 lead, Grady would have brought in Saito after the first runner reached or even to start the ninth. I think he felt Lowe pitched his heart out and deserved to make the decision on Willingham as the team didn't get him a run. As a warrior, Lowe will say "I can get this guy" which is admirable. As a strategist, walking him to put a forceout at home is the way to go. Say he gets a bleeder grounder that stays in the infield. You still have to tag the runner out at home rather than go for a forceout. It is never fun to have the based loaded with no margin of error, but that situation screams for the IBB.
3. The pitch was a mistake. A fly ball beats us there, so it didn't even matter that the ball left the yard, you can't leave the pitch up. Period.
4. We could have won every game on this trip and should have won at least one more in Atlanta. It wasn't a bad trip, but we could have come home up four games in the division.
5. We didn't lose a game in the standings to anyone but the Rocks yesterday.
6. The line-up looked quite weak with Furcal and Kent sitting down.
7. I wish we'd have started Lieberthal and given Russ a day off if we weren't going to win. How many games can he go before he wears down even a little? A noon game after a night game Grady? Watch it, he's too important to ride into the ground in May.
8. I like Grady. He is a calming influence on the team and the organization. However, we need him to be as tough a decision maker as he was when he benched Ethier last fall and when he didn't let Penny dictate when he would leave a game. Take charge. "Walk him Derek!".
9. Nomar took the blame for leaving a runner on third with one out.
10. I would like to have a week of Matt Kemp in center field and see what kind of team that would be. Pierre has not been on the disabled list in his career, right? And Jason Schmidt has gone over 200 innings each year also. I don't want Pierre injured, but if he strained a hamstring or took a foul ball off his wrist and had to sit for two weeks, I'd be happy to see what kind of team it would be with Kemp minus Pierre.
My point was that we need to rest Martin at times and since we lost, in retrospect, I wish he would have sat yesterday.
Maybe Lowe doesn't throw a gem with Lieberthal. We were out to win the game and if I'm the manager, I'd be tempted to play Russ every single game. I just think we need to monitor Russ a little more to keep him from wearing down, it is the toughest position there is. We need him in October.
Not to pick nits but 4-"We could have won every game on this trip" In the first game Smoltz was sharp and Tomko wasn't (4 2/3 IP; 11 base runners; 96 pitches). I don't see how we could have won that game.
I particularly agree with point 7.
I have a hard time with #8. Not that I agree or disagree with you but it is easy to criticize, especially after the fact. I was following the game on Game Day and I practically shouted at my computer, "walk the guy" but I don't what would have happened if he had walked him. I know I would have sent Lowe out to start the 9th but I don't know if I would have pulled him after the first walk or not. Overall I think he does a good job. Players have to perform. My biggest criticism of Grady is putting JP in the 2 slot vs further down. But enough of that.
I like reading posts like yours. It looks like you put some thought into it.
Why won't he sit him once a month then? Pierre has started every game except for one. Is it because of his consecutive games streak? We are out to win as a team, not set individual records.
Gonzo and Nomar have had their time to sit, Pierre has sat once. And he still played enough to qualify for his streak to continue.
Can we teach Betemit to catch? Nobody else on the bench can catch, can they? Brady Clark?
The Smoltz game wasn't a close score, but if you remember, we loaded the bases with nobody out in the 4th and couldn't score. The game didn't get away from us until the next inning. If Betemit hit his first homer of the year a day earlier, that game is winnable. If we rally, we knock out Smoltz and who knows. We had a look at the game, we weren't shut down entirely. I think we had 8 hits and a few walks, right? Still got shut out though.
The point was simply we didn't collapse on the trip and we are playing well enough to win most games. That is a good position to be in. First place in May doesn't mean much, but it is better than a team that is hopeless. The Cards aren't playing well and I hope we can win at least 4 out of the next 6 at home.
Has he ever caught for us? Has he ever caught an inning in the majors?
I don't recall it happening but I know everyone has that third guy they call the third guy who doesn't actually ever catch unless it is a total emergency.
Good times.
Personally, I see no problem with using Lieberthal like a normal pinch hitter. How often does the catcher get hurt in the late innings? Once every three years? It seems like having a dead spot on the bench for a 1 in 500 event is a huge waste of space, yet everyone does it.
The Dodgers' average age of 30.6 years is fourth oldest in baseball, oldest in the NL West, slightly ahead of San Diego, which ranks sixth, and San Francisco, which ranks fifth.
I would have predicted SF would be a little older. Thank you Gonzo, Kent and co.
Well the guy he hired is not, so I doubt he is.
Even if he does take him out and the Dodgers start winning, correlation does not equal causation. The difference between Albert Pujols and a replacement level player is about 11 wins, so replacing Pierre with Clark wouldn't even make a noticeable difference in the short term. Considering this, Clark would probably contribute about a 100th of a win per game more than Pierre. Would anyone be able to tell the difference.
Benching Pierre is not some magical solution which will turn this team around. If the owner made a decision based on a few games of success without Pierre, it would be just as poorly thought out as the decision to sign him in the first place.
Now I'm defending Juan Pierre. What's happened here?
The Reds have out-homered their opposition 47-27, and have a 9 point edge in on-base percentage vs opposition, and yet they have only scored 9 more runs than the opposition. And that 9 run advantage had given them a 15-20 record. This team probably isn't as bad as 15-20, not even close. The Dodgers are in for a battle.
I have more of a preview for the Reds up at dodgerama.blogspot.com including an ugly comparison of Reds and Dodgers home runs by position.
I'd be more inclined to rest him late in a game than to not start him. But I also don't think he should be catching 20 out of 21 games. I think 13 out of 14 is the most I'd go with any catcher that you want fresh late in the season. It is just sort of baseball folklore that you would rarley start a catcher on a day game after a night game as regularly as Grady starts Martin.
I just want to win. I want Martin to play. I just don't want to see Martin wear down or get hurt, he's too valuable to us.
And, 3 hundredths of a win over then next hundred games or so would be 3 wins, right? That's not something to dismiss. Though I'm not sure I believe Kemp would really be 3 games better than Pierre over the rest of the season.
But Pierre isn't going to be benched, so it's all moot.
In the same vein, I remember a post Jon made last year about possibly getting Soriano in trade near the deadline, and how counter-intuitive it seemed that statistically he would only be worth just one extra win or something small like that over Lofton over the course of the remaining year.
Also sort of in the same vein, I love Russ Martin, but the frequent announcer talk of the great team record with him last year drives me nuts.
I understand the difference with the off days in the mix Jon, but the position requires so much that every game regardless of an off day in a calendar or not, every game in the crouch brings about a wearing down over the course of a season.
I still think he's riding Martin too much and he did it late last year too when Martin never went past August in the minors. An off day brings Martin back fresh, but he's on pace to catch 140 games and that seems like an awful lot to me. He needs to get some more innings off, not just days off.
I'd like to see Russ get some 8th and 9th innings off like Gonzo and even Kent get. While Martin is our top defensive catcher, if we had a legit third option, Lieberthal could spell him a few innings a week which would add up to another 9-15 innings a month.
I could be wrong, but LoDuca would wear down in the second half and he had power when he was first called up that went away right away.
I run a blog that bashes Pierre and advocates benching him, but I would hope that such an action would be made by Colletti and Little together. If Little benches Pierre over Colletti's objections, it's 2005 all over again, and no one wants to see that.
I thought that last summer and then Grady ran him out there just about everyday in Aug/Sept while Toby Hall fiddled on the bench. I understand because it was a close race and we needed him, just saying that if we have another close race I wouldn't be shocked to see Ned put him out there 140 times.
>>> BABIP is fairly self-explanatory: it's the percentage of fair, non-home run batted balls that fall for base hits. A hitter can pop up to second, ground into a 6-4-3 double play, fly out to the warning track, lay down a bunt single, double off the wall or line out those are all examples of balls in play. The ones that go for base hits count toward BABIP. <<<
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6794020
Mark Hendrickson, Dodgers .205
Eh, who ya gonna trust -- someone named BABIP or the headshrinker?
http://tinyurl.com/2zydh9
But more to his first item... anyone on the Blue Jays the Dodgers should eye, in case there's a fire sale? (I'm not as into the idea of Troy Glaus as some of ya might be...)
Avert your eyes. The game should be on EI as the Cardinals are showing it on their Fox Sports affiliate.
I'm not sure we'd want to deal with a GM who lies about the health of his players. :-)
Small sample size. I suspect most of us knew that yesterday while advocating the IBB.
Here's the lineup for today and as you'll note, there's not much different from before except that Furcal, Kent and LaRoche are back in the lineup, which is pretty significant:
Furcal, SS
Pierre, CF
Nomar, 1B
Kent, 2B
Gonzalez, LF
Martin, C
Ethier, RF
LaRoche, 3B
Wolf, P
http://insidethedodgers.mlblogs.com/
Furcal
JP
Nomar
Kent
LuGo
Martin
3.5
LaRoche
some notables...
California League Averages
263/342/397 739OPS
average age: 22.2
Jamie Hoffman age 22
330/374/495 869OPS
Lucas May age 22
301/362/581 943OPS
Southern League Averages
254/330/379/ 709OPS
average age: 24.4
Chin Lung Hu Age 23
368/388/519 907OPS
Xavier Paul age 22
299/369/449 818 OPS
I'd do Glaus for La Roche myself but Canuck would probably string me up by my toes from a Vancouver bridge.
While La Roche is young he's unproven and he could be good quickly or he could be early Crede for several years while Glaus gives us the power this team yearns for that I'd hoped Betemit would have provided.
I don't think Vernon Wells would be very happy about a fire sale after signing his deal and JP can't afford a fire sale since it was his irresponsible decision to pay BJ Ryan all that money. If he doesn't compete this year don't you think he'd get at the most one more year or be fired? He has had long enough to implement a plan and you'd think the owners would be a bit unhappy with the results so I find it a little hard to believe he'll start selling off his veteran talent for a youth movement since he wouldnt' be around to enjoy the fruits of his deals.
i usually am with you on alot of subjects but never in a million years i would trade laroche for glaus. He is past 30 and very injury prone and his defense has deteriorated over the past years. You have had this fear that Laroche will turn into Joe Crede for a while and I simply dont understand it. Laroche has shown he can draw walks with the best of them while Crede did show good plate discipline in the minors, it was never on a level laroche displayed.
....after the game, Little said, "Hey, I promised changes, didn't I?"
about our prospects? No. About the draft? Probably. He's better connected, better sources, etc. I really think he has done a terrific job over at milb.com the past two drafts and im looking forward to his insight as this one rolls around.
The uni database at baseballhalloffame.org has the '99 Dodger road uniforms as vests. Did I miss that season? I don't recall that at all ('99 apparently was also the first year that they had "Los Angeles" across the front of the road uniforms).
I just have no recollection of the vests...
I dont know what his bonus demands are and i dont really know what colletti/white think about picking a boras prep client, but what do i know is that at 20, Harvey would be an extreme value pick in terms of talent and draft slot.
Anyone else notice that the bottom third of the order is the most exciting part of the offense?
The hour of the kids is at hand. Let's hope management sees that.
51s' best talent must 'knock door down'
>>> "Our job is not to have these players knocking on the door to get to the big leagues, but to knock the door down ... to be so ready that they dominate at this level, because when they get to the big leagues it's going to be a totally different situation." ... Ned Colletti <<<
http://www.lvrj.com/sports/7436871.html
Extending the metaphor to make a point! Not amused? OK.
http://batanga.sportsya.com/noticia.php?id=144783&id_estruc=1
Just thought some positivity on them would be nice for once.
Wow. I'd seen the vague "knock the door down" metaphor, but not the above part of the quote. If we take Colletti literally, his choice of the word "dominate" is insane. A team (or this team) shouldn't give a prospect a job unless they're sure he'll dominate? So only immediate all-stars need apply?
Talk about a recipe for disaster. Better to play a known mediocrity as long as you're not sure the rookie will dominate in the majors? That's certifiable.
If he'd just said "hold his own at this level" the quote would be fine, although, for a big-market team that doesn't need to worry too much about service time, really, the only criterion should be "play better than the guy he's replacing."
Nice to see that Grady has shaken things up...Not.
In 1999, the Dodgers wore blue vests during a "Think Blue" week promotion.
I wept a lot that weekend.
Pam is the non-alcoholic beer of women in the Office.
Trade him!
Well, waitasec...it could be because RM is named after John Coltrane, and Karen is played by Quincy Jones's daughter. It's a jazz thing. Yeah, that'd explain it.
OK, stand down, people. Russell can stay.
That would only change who sits on the bench.
Conversely, veterans don't lose their job by sucking...They lose it by sucking royally. I mean, some major, big time, Willie Mays on the Mets-type sucking.
It's our job to put the door in front of veterans. When they run into it and fall down, breaking numerous bones and embarassing themselves, well, that's when we bench them.
Veterans, baby. Leadership. Courage. Experience and whatnot.
Betemit was (at best) a screen door.
Either that, or he thinks LaRoche is ready to dominate the majors, despite his AAA stats.
No, I think he is saying he wants the player to dominate at LAS VEGAS before he will bring him up to the majors.
Of course, they're both more likely to hit .270, OBP .335, and Slug .400. All of which, for a 1st baseman and corner outfielder, are just terrible.
But you could be right. He could be not insane, but incoherent.
I defer to your good sense:
Glaus left Friday night's game during the first inning with an apparent leg injury. He pulled up lame while running down the first base line, before being removed in favor of Jason Smith prior to the start of the second inning. We'll have more information as it becomes available.
You probably didn't pull up the entire article. :-) It was in the Las Vegas Review-Journal (May 10th) and Colletti was in Las Vegas at the time watching a 51s game.
Why would Nomar a career 318 hitter be more likely to hit 118 points below his career then 18 below his average?
Last year I made a bet with the GoBear in which I lost the games played but not the OPS side(850+). I'd be more then willing to make another beer bet that Nomar will OPS above 850 from this point on or 800 for the season even after this dismal start.
"Our job is not to have these players knocking on the door to get to the big leagues, but to knock the door down ... to be so ready that they dominate at this level, because when they get to the big leagues it's going to be a totally different situation."
And he was speaking in Vegas to the Vegas paper.
Yes, I remember the context of the article and I'm sure Ned was talking about minor leaguers knocking the door down. He does seem to on the record about never going into spring training with a rookie written into the starting lineup without some type of competition.
His post-2000 numbers tell a very different story. He's been a .285 hitter with a lot less power. He's more likely to decline a ton then improve by thirty points.
http://www.lvrj.com/sports/7436871.html
You're right - I just read the quote you provided. But I call shenanigans! Not fair.
OK, I take it back. This quote is not independent evidence of Colletti's troubled relationship with good baseball sense. But he still has Loney to answer for.
Oh sure, the link was there to clear up the this/that folderol, but I feel as though I was deliberately deceived. 'Twould have been much more ethical (and, as I say, I now KNOW ethical) to preface the quote in 135 with some warning that the GM had been spirited away to Sin City and liquored up to make him talk.
I'd have let it slide, but I'm informed that whisteblowing is its own reward. Or petard. One or the other.
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