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2007-06-20 15:19
by Jon Weisman

Matt Kemp, who has an OPS of .964 this season, who has an OPS of .980 since his June return to the Dodgers, who is 7 for 13 with a walk and a home run in his last four starts, rides the pine for the second day in a row.

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2007-06-20 15:26:41
1.   bhsportsguy
No comment.
2007-06-20 15:28:36
2.   ToyCannon
It's only been two days, right BH:)
2007-06-20 15:31:12
3.   Bob Timmermann
Yeah, but what have you done for me LATELY!
2007-06-20 15:33:34
4.   Eric Stephen
Early prediction for Thursday's lineup:

SS Furcal
CF Pierre
DH Nomar
2B Kent
LF Gonzo
C Martin
RF Kemp
1B Loney
3B Betemit

2007-06-20 15:34:02
5.   Jon Weisman
Hey, I know it's only two days. I just think he should play.
2007-06-20 15:35:34
6.   ToyCannon
As do we all.
2007-06-20 15:38:47
7.   ssjames
For those unlikely to return to the last thread, the thing the following players have in common is that they all have lower a VORP than Nomar does currently. Admittedly it takes in account position, but that is really an indictment of our current firstbaseman.

Hong-chih Kuo
James Loney
Randy Wolf
Jason Schmidt
Juan Pierre
Andy Laroche
Rudy Seanez
Mike Lieberthal
Brett Tomko
Wilson Valdez
Mark Hendrickson

Just for point of reference, Tomko, Hendrickson and Seanez are all hitless on the year so far.

2007-06-20 15:39:00
8.   Humma Kavula
4 Actually all things considered -- meaning that both Pierre and Nomar will likely play -- that's not a bad lineup.
2007-06-20 15:40:30
9.   Bluebleeder87
Bob, it's pretty funny how Iwamura got the triple a day late. Maybe Byrnes will get his triple tomorrow.
2007-06-20 15:41:39
10.   still bevens
Ethier has a better OBP against Halladay.

He's 0-1, with a BB and HBP for a .667 OBP.

Kemp is a meager 2-1 with a .500 OBP.

See, Grady looks at these things. Ethier is clearly the hot hand here.

2007-06-20 15:45:33
11.   blue22
10 - Marlon Anderson is 4-11 with a couple homeruns against Halladay.

Clearly, Grady does not look at these things.

2007-06-20 15:45:39
12.   bhsportsguy
Of these 3 teams, who has the best record when leading after 8 innings:

Dodgers
Padres
Reds

One interesting fact, the Padres have lost 8 games when they have led after 6 innings.

2007-06-20 15:47:14
13.   Pedro Astacio
Is this a trick question?
2007-06-20 15:47:20
14.   blue22
11 - There should've been a winky smiley face after that comment, lest I be guilty of violating TYFN #7.
2007-06-20 15:48:26
15.   ToyCannon
It has to be the Reds or you wouldn't have thrown them in because they would be the least obvious choice.
2007-06-20 15:49:07
16.   regfairfield
7 I don't know where you're getting that from, but only Martinez and Clark are below him amongst hitters. Brazoban, Tomko, and Schmidt are behind him amongst pitchers.
2007-06-20 15:51:32
17.   blue22
12 - A quick check of Reds closer David Weathers' two blown saves on the year found that they were both in the 8th inning.

I'm going with Cincy.

2007-06-20 15:56:09
18.   bhsportsguy
17 You are correct, Cincy is 25-0 when they lead after 8.

The Dodgers have lost once and the Padres twice when they they have led after 8 innings.

I think the key number to look at that stat is not how many losses you have but how many times are you ahead after 8 or 6 or whatever inning you have to choose. The Reds are 25-0 when they lead after 8 through today but that means they have either been tied (a few times) or the vast majority behind after 8 and that's a hard way to compete.

2007-06-20 15:56:31
19.   ssjames
16 That is just based on upon their stats as hitters from BP. It doesn't take into account their pitching stats. At least that is what it told me.
2007-06-20 15:59:20
20.   regfairfield
19 I think you misread it then, because Nomar is one of our few players that is below replacement level.
2007-06-20 16:02:45
21.   Jon Weisman
Lee Gronkiewicz, we hardly knew ye.

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=93976

2007-06-20 16:04:23
22.   Bob Timmermann
John Gibbons said he was worried about blowing out his bullpen.

Because this Halladay guy just can't get anybody out.

2007-06-20 16:08:49
23.   blue22
Yes, Hendrickson (with his .063 OPS) and Tomko (.077 OPS) have higher offensive VORPs than Nomar.

Tomko: -1.7
Hendy: -1.8
Nomar: -2.2

But I'm pretty sure that's not the intended use of this stat.

2007-06-20 16:10:30
24.   Bluebleeder87
Nice to see Nomar with a pulse early in this road trip.
2007-06-20 16:13:14
25.   blue22
24 - No one's ever doubted the man's ability to hit singles. He can single with the best of 'em!
2007-06-20 16:13:16
26.   scareduck
7, 23 - it's not really fair to compare VORP across positions.
2007-06-20 16:13:38
27.   MC Safety
180,182 from the last thread- it is nice to hear good things about guys you used to play with. it sucked seeing burroughs go to the pads, but it was still cool see him play in the bigs. ill never forget seeing him hit his only homer that year against i believe nomo at dodger stadium, that was kinda cool. ah well we got tony gwynn and chase utley! and to this day there still is something that makes me give milton the benefit of the doubt. it might have to do with some funny second hand kent stories from houston ive heard via LB state grad and former astro loogy mike gallo.
2007-06-20 16:14:24
28.   blue22
26 - Hence my disclaimer.
2007-06-20 16:14:55
29.   Humma Kavula
26 I thought that was the point -- that it corrects for position, which is why Martin has a higher VORP than Gonzalez.

You know more about it than I do, though, so correct me.

2007-06-20 16:16:59
30.   ssjames
29 I believe I know what he is trying to say, which is that it is not a good use of VORP to compare the hitting of pitchers to position players, but it just struck me as funny.
2007-06-20 16:18:09
31.   scooplew
I, too, do not understand why Kemp sits while The Tomato starts tonight. I would have understood it if Little went lefty-right and started Anderson. Is Loney still unable to play? I hope Saenz proves me wrong.
2007-06-20 16:18:14
32.   Jon Weisman
26 - That doesn't make sense. I agree with 29.

The thing to keep in mind with VORP, though, is that it is effectively a counting stat, affected by playing time.

2007-06-20 16:18:14
33.   Bluebleeder87
{27}

from the last thread - a friend of mine made it for the Diablos de Mexico but that doesn't count, i also had 2 freinds make it as high as A ball & double AA.

2007-06-20 16:18:58
34.   Xeifrank
Guo is definitely a strike-out / fly ball pitcher. vr, Xei

Via GuoMania:
Skinny:
Guo only has 20 innings pitched under his belt so far this year as opposed to 82 from Halladay. Guo gets the edge in ERA and Field Independent ERA, part of this is due to Hallday facing tougher hitters in the American League. Guo is more of a fly ball, strike out pitcher, with a GB/FB/LD line of 29/48/23. Halladay, will get his fair share of strike outs, but he relies more on his control. Both pitchers have home run rates well below (stingy on giving up HRs) league average. Guo has yet to give up a home run in 20 innings thus far. While Guo tends to be a fly ball pitcher, Halladay induces alot more groundballs with a GB/FB/LD line of 56/26/18. Both pitchers have a similiar BABIP allowed. Guo is at .315 and Halladay having a nearly identical mark of .313. Halladay has been slightly more unlucky when it comes to stranding runners on base. Guo has a LOB% of 71.4% and Halladay of 64.4%. This should be a close and low scoring game, a game that the Blue Jays probably feel they should win. If Guo is on, the Jays could be in for a big surprise.

2007-06-20 16:20:32
35.   bhsportsguy
How did Kuo/Guo looK? Good movement on his pitches?
2007-06-20 16:22:10
36.   MC Safety
33- nice. where do the diablos play?
2007-06-20 16:22:35
37.   Xeifrank
DodgerSims, which is on a roll of late, gives the Dodgers a pre-game win probability of 52.3%. The simulator was a perfect 4 for 4 yesterday and is 2 for 2 so far today. Of course this post will not jinx that. :)
vr, Xei
2007-06-20 16:22:52
38.   Bluebleeder87
nice inning by K/Guo although i wouldn't throw to many breaking balls to Glous i'd rather go with high heat.
2007-06-20 16:23:22
39.   Jon Weisman
4 2/3 shutout innings would knock Kuo's ERA below 3.00. Will we see it?
2007-06-20 16:23:54
40.   Eric Stephen
Today marks the second day in a row that I have forgotten to set my DVR at home to record the Dodger game. Thus, I must listen to Rick Monday!
2007-06-20 16:25:24
41.   Jon Weisman
Kuo's ERA since his first appearance of the season is 2.18.
2007-06-20 16:25:59
42.   bhsportsguy
40 I am in the minority but I like Jerry Reuss so much, it makes listening to Monday a pleasant experience.
2007-06-20 16:26:17
43.   Eric Enders
40 Yeah, that always stinks. After learning the hard way, I've gotten into the habit of setting a week's worth of games at once, so I only have to remember once a week.
2007-06-20 16:27:53
44.   Eric Stephen
42 I do like Reuss quite a bit as well. Thanks for the silver lining.
2007-06-20 16:28:24
45.   Greg Brock
I love watching Hallady pitch. Just not against us. And we get quality appendectomy talk, which fires me up.

I just babysat my nephew for five hours. You people that willingly had children are insane. I need a nap.

2007-06-20 16:28:54
46.   Bluebleeder87
36

if i remember correctly Mexico city, i swear i'd put Marcos arm with Mondesis, Marco played with me in the Sandy Koufax league then moved back to mexico, great player.

2007-06-20 16:28:59
47.   Jon Weisman
43 - I just set up a Wish List on TiVo for the Dodgers. It gets every game and I haven't had to program it since 2004.
2007-06-20 16:29:09
48.   Marty
42 Actually I think you are in the majority. I don't like him and keep wondering what I'm missing, because it seemed everyone did like him.
2007-06-20 16:32:52
49.   still bevens
47 Thats where Tivo edges the free DVR you get from the cable co. All games show up as 'MLB BASEBALL' and you can't really program anything with any ease whatsoever. You have to do it on a day to day basis. I guess you get what you pay for.
2007-06-20 16:33:11
50.   bhsportsguy
48 I think it is more people don't like Rick Monday so when he's with Reuss, he's talking a lot more.
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2007-06-20 16:33:27
51.   MC Safety
46- ive done quite a bit of traveling around those parts.

btw, im i the only one completely confused with grady's logic regarding our DH today. i would like to know the last time saenz faced halladay? have those splits expired by now?

2007-06-20 16:34:15
52.   Marty
Is Kuo not a 95 mph pitcher anymore? His fastball seems to be at 89-91.
2007-06-20 16:34:47
53.   Humma Kavula
Gah.
2007-06-20 16:34:48
54.   Andrew Shimmin
I agree with Psycho. This country is built on opportunity and proof.

Whatever that means.

2007-06-20 16:35:08
55.   Eric Enders
48 Alas, I have the cut-rate DVR box proffered by my cable company, which only lets you set a week at a time.

The Diablos Rojos play in Mexico City. They are Mexico's most storied franchise; Hall of Famers Willie Wells and Ray Dandridge, among others, played for them.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablos_Rojos_del_M%C3%A9xico

2007-06-20 16:35:14
56.   Humma Kavula
39 Jinx!
2007-06-20 16:35:45
57.   Jon Weisman
55 - No season passes?
2007-06-20 16:36:23
58.   Jon Weisman
56 - Now he needs seven innings of one-run ball to do it.
2007-06-20 16:36:36
59.   xaphor
54. Proof = Alcohol ?
2007-06-20 16:36:58
60.   MMSMikey
wow nomar get off the bag a little more.
2007-06-20 16:37:00
61.   Humma Kavula
58 Haven't you learned your lesson?! :-)
2007-06-20 16:37:02
62.   jtrichey
That is the second time this year where I noticed that Nomar does not come off the bag to field his freaking position. That ball rolled over the dirt section of the cutout, and a diving Nomar still couldn't reach it because he was still standing on 1st as the pitch was thrown. Anyone else seeing this?
2007-06-20 16:37:33
63.   Marty
57 No, no season passes. Also, no "intelligence" like Tivo. The good news though, is my DVR will never think I'm gay.
2007-06-20 16:37:51
64.   Eric Enders
57 You can set it to record every instance of a particular program; unfortuntely, all baseball games are titled "MLB Baseball," so it would end up recording 15 games a day.
2007-06-20 16:38:24
65.   Humma Kavula
I didn't hear what Lyons said, but I kind of get it:

This country gives you opportunity. Then you have to prove that you can live up to what's expected of you.

Opportunity and proof.

I don't know if I agree with him, but I do kinda get what he's saying.

2007-06-20 16:38:32
66.   still bevens
62 Rick Monday did.
2007-06-20 16:39:20
67.   Bob Timmermann
57
I believe that with the Scientific Atlanta brand DVRs, you could set it up to record baseball games, but it would record EVERY baseball game because they are listed as "MLB Baseball" regardless of who is playing.
2007-06-20 16:39:27
68.   MMSMikey
ugh.
2007-06-20 16:39:40
69.   Eric Enders
The Toronto announcers appear to have an even bigger mancrush on Martin than we do.
2007-06-20 16:39:45
70.   Jon Weisman
61 - Now maybe I won't get so much grief over rule 9.
2007-06-20 16:39:58
71.   MC Safety
thats awesome i always wondered if kuo was fluent!! they held zaun at 3rd with gonzo out there!! bahhahahahah!! lol
2007-06-20 16:40:34
72.   Humma Kavula
Rule 9 never bothered me. I find it... interesting.
2007-06-20 16:41:46
73.   Marty
Kuo seems to be throwing harder now.
2007-06-20 16:42:21
74.   bhsportsguy
One thing I have noticed recently is that teams attack our staff early in the count.

Again, because we have a staff that does strike out batters, I think the plan is to attack early to avoid giving them the chance to fan you.

This plan doesn't work if you get a lot of ground balls like Lowe and Penny.

2007-06-20 16:42:51
75.   still bevens
I think if Kuo cant go a fair amount of innings without keeping this game competitive were gonna have to throw Tomko out there for as long as humanly possible because of the pitch count scenario tomorrow.
2007-06-20 16:42:52
76.   xaphor
64. My box can be told to record all instances on a specified channel which cuts down on the chaff.
2007-06-20 16:43:37
77.   Bob Timmermann
Buddy's start so far in Atlanta:
Homer by Drew
Double by Pedroia

Big Papi facing Buddy

2007-06-20 16:43:55
78.   Humma Kavula
ugh.... rios.
2007-06-20 16:44:44
79.   Greg Brock
Effectively wild has been replaced by wild and lit up.
2007-06-20 16:44:50
80.   MC Safety
they sure are living up to the " lefty killer " scouting report.
2007-06-20 16:44:51
81.   Bob Timmermann
78
I will be able to flip over to the action in Omaha once I get home.
2007-06-20 16:45:09
82.   Rob M
this is getting ugly.
2007-06-20 16:45:35
83.   Bluebleeder87
i'm questioning the pitch selection there going with but maybe i'm wrong.
2007-06-20 16:45:48
84.   Andrew Shimmin
65- He was talking about why McGwire should be in the HOF. But the "built on opportunity," cliche was too strong to ignore, so the country had to be built on that, plus the right to not be judged for anything that can't be proven.
2007-06-20 16:46:03
85.   scareduck
32 - VORP only measures value relative to an individual position. It doesn't try to adjust across the field. I base my comment here on this definition here

http://www.stathead.com/bbeng/woolner/vorpdescnew.htm

and in particular, the comment that

"We define a replacement level player as one who hits as far below the league positional average as the league backups do relative to league average, who plays average defense for the position, and is a breakeven base-stealer and baserunner."

2007-06-20 16:46:15
86.   Jon Weisman
It didn't occur to me to post what it would take to get Kuo's ERA above 5.00.
2007-06-20 16:46:21
87.   Eric Enders
Well, I'm watching the game on a short delay, so the score is still 0-0. I take it I'm in for some carnage in a moment.
2007-06-20 16:46:27
88.   MC Safety
77-bizarre, drew homers, pedroia doubles and papi whiffs.
2007-06-20 16:46:46
89.   Bluebleeder87
you guys think he's throwing to many breaking balls? i feel he is.
2007-06-20 16:46:52
90.   bhsportsguy
80 Just because Penny and Lowe have given up 3 runs in 23 2/3 innings against them, I'm not counting Schmidt.
2007-06-20 16:48:09
91.   bhsportsguy
Hopefully, he can extend his pitching prowness beyond just the Mets.
2007-06-20 16:48:31
92.   Andrew Shimmin
84 continued- "The right to not be judged for anything that can't be proven," proved too lengthy to make the one liner zing, so he abbreviated it to "proof." Which doesn't make a lot of sense, but packs more punch.
2007-06-20 16:49:04
93.   Monterey Chris
It's a bad inning when Tomko warming up looks like a good idea.
2007-06-20 16:50:25
94.   Gen3Blue
As Matt Kemp rides the pine am I supposed to watch this? I guess this is where faith must enter, although I hate to see how Doc can pitch with this kind of lead.
2007-06-20 16:50:50
95.   Greg Brock
92 In a court of law. We can all slap whatever opinions on anybody we'd like outside of it.

GUILTY!

2007-06-20 16:51:44
96.   Bob Timmermann
Ramirez doubles in Pedroia, but then Buddy bears down to strike out Youkilis.

The tension is high in Atlanta.

2007-06-20 16:52:01
97.   scareduck
And it's still just the 2nd inning. Wow.
2007-06-20 16:52:13
98.   Humma Kavula
85 Again, you know better than I do... but...

I read that as saying an individual player's VORP is corrected based on the position he plays. That way, you can see who is more valuable to one's team. Russell Martin is 18 runs better than a replacement catcher; Luis Gonzalez is 14 runs better than a replacement left fielder; therefore, Martin provides more value to his team. Why is that wrong?

I guess my question is really this: if you can't compare VORP across positions, why do we need VORP? Why not simply OPS/EQA/whatever?

2007-06-20 16:52:15
99.   Bluebleeder87
even if Guo gets out of this inning i'll be suprised if he goes 5 innings with all those pitches thrown already.
2007-06-20 16:52:38
100.   Eric Stephen
63 I'd like to think that was a reference to Weird Al's "Couch Potato", his parody of Eminem's "Lose Yourself". Bravo.
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2007-06-20 16:53:52
101.   Andrew Shimmin
95- How unsurprisingly un-American of you.

I'm scheduled to have jury duty next week, so I'm trying to get in the grove. Actually, with all the lawyers around these parts, does anybody have a suggestion of which book, if they saw it sitting on a jurors lap, would get the potential juror booted during voir dire? Or does it not work that way? I'm not willing to lie, or have nasty words shaved into my hair, but most of everything else is negotiable.

2007-06-20 16:54:17
102.   Bob Timmermann
Coco Crisp does not love the Buddy Carlyle Story.

3-run homer and the Red Sox are up 5-0.

2007-06-20 16:54:32
103.   Humma Kavula
Unnnnnnh.
2007-06-20 16:54:37
104.   natepurcell
that sucks alot.
2007-06-20 16:54:38
105.   Bluebleeder87
grand slam on a breaking ball
2007-06-20 16:54:43
106.   Gagne55
Thats it for Kuo.
2007-06-20 16:54:50
107.   MC Safety
good lord.
2007-06-20 16:54:52
108.   scareduck
98 - My understanding is that Martin provides 14 runs more than a replacement catcher, not than a replacement right fielder.

Gameday says Guo is gone.

2007-06-20 16:55:02
109.   still bevens
Well this isnt interesting anymore.
2007-06-20 16:55:12
110.   Eric Stephen
Looks like Tomko will get a "take one for the team" appearance tonight.
2007-06-20 16:55:24
111.   Andrew Shimmin
All pitchers have bad days. Might be time to put Kuo out of his misery, though. There isn't always a lesson to be learned from pain.
2007-06-20 16:55:34
112.   Gagne55
I suppose its time to turn off the TV. It is over.
2007-06-20 16:55:36
113.   scareduck
They may have to pause the game to make callups from Las Vegas to complete this game.
2007-06-20 16:55:42
114.   Jon Weisman
Nuts.
2007-06-20 16:55:51
115.   MMSMikey
i think we will see lurch today.
2007-06-20 16:55:53
116.   Greg Brock
Nice outing.
2007-06-20 16:56:08
117.   Jon Weisman
112 - It's never over.
2007-06-20 16:56:45
118.   scooplew
Our last three losses have been by a total of 15 runs. Looks like we are settling into that mode. Tonight is a disaster.
2007-06-20 16:56:55
119.   trainwreck
Well maybe Kemp will get a few at bats in this game after all.
2007-06-20 16:56:59
120.   Eric Stephen
And Kuo's ERA balloons to a nearly-devilish 6.65
2007-06-20 16:57:07
121.   Rob M
Damn. That was brutal for poor Kuo. And for us.
2007-06-20 16:57:27
122.   Bluebleeder87
maybe Russell Martin knew Guo could only throw the breaking ball for strikes today, or maybe i'm trying to paint a pretty picture on how bad Guo stunk today, wow.
2007-06-20 16:57:39
123.   Marty
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
2007-06-20 16:58:03
124.   scareduck
98 - and to answer your question, it provides a way to measure position-adjusted offensive performance. Position *un*adjusted performance is another thing.
2007-06-20 16:58:07
125.   Gagne55
Kuo's era went from 3.6 to 6.6

ugg

2007-06-20 16:58:15
126.   Eric Stephen
Sometimes you're the hammer. Sometimes you're the nail.
2007-06-20 16:58:16
127.   bhsportsguy
And you wonder why the AL teams have the advantage with their DH. Our DH, no matter who he is, is someone who is not used to routine.

Their DH, who does nothing else but hit 4-5 times again, goes 2-2 with a double and a grand slam.

2007-06-20 16:58:39
128.   natepurcell
123

lol uhh..

2007-06-20 16:58:48
129.   bhsportsguy
Kuo threw 43 pitches that inning.
2007-06-20 16:59:35
130.   natepurcell
127

well, we also dont have a DH who is most likely a HOFer and 3hr from 500.

but yea, i understand your point.

2007-06-20 16:59:52
131.   blue22
117 - This is true.

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1990/B08210LAN1990.htm

Probably a good idea to hold 'em from here on out though.

2007-06-20 17:00:09
132.   bhsportsguy
And the phone just rang in Las Vegas, any pitcher that has a passport, please report to the airport.
2007-06-20 17:00:11
133.   MC Safety
112,123- thats refreshing.