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Whose Cap Should They Wear in the Hall?
2007-07-03 08:37
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

The arrival of summertime means that annual inductions into the Baseball Hall of Fame can't be far away. With the ceremonies comes the usual question for players who swung or threw with more than one team: Whose hat will they wear upon their induction?

Though the following ex-Dodgers are no lock for election by any means, I thought I'd head off some potential controversy by breaking down whose hat they should wear on their Hall of Fame plaques.

Roger Cedeno: Cedeno was off the Dodgers before his 25th birthday, but he did have an on-base percentage over .300 with the team while stealing 23 bases in 27 attempts. Still, his career-best 1999 season with the Mets (109 OPS+), followed by two other not-disastrous seasons during his second New York tour in 2002-03, puts him in a Mets cap. Houston, Detroit and St. Louis will have to cry in their respective beers.

Juan Castro: Castro participated in a triple play in Los Angeles, but his dominant years – including a career-best .290 on-base percentage in 2003 – came with the Cincinnati Reds. Assuming his slick fielding held up in those years after the nice glove he displayed with the Dodgers, Castro should wear a Reds cap if he goes into the Hall.

Tom Goodwin: Goodwin started with the Dodgers before moving on to Kansas City, Texas, Colorado, back to Los Angeles, then San Francisco and the Cubs. Tough call here, but we'll let the Royals back Goodwin's Hall candidacy. He had exactly 150 stolen bases in exactly 200 attempts from 1995-97 in Kansas City while once busting the .700 mark in OPS.

Jose Offerman: I hold no grudge against Offerman, who augmented his colorful fielding in Los Angeles with five consecutive seasons of one home run or less (counting the year he homered in his first major-league game). Year after year, I insisted Offerman would come around. And so he did – reaching the All-Star Game as a Dodger in 1995. Better offensive seasons came with the Royals in 1996-98 before he wound things down with Boston, Seattle, Minnesota, Philadelphia and the Mets. Honestly, the Royals can make a strong case for having Offerman, but by the time he was with them, he was moving around to less valuable defensive positions. I'm just not sure Cooperstown can let Kansas City take credit for both Offerman and Goodwin. If Jose Offerman goes to the Hall, he's going in a Dodger cap.

Jose Vizcaino: Dodgers, Cubs, Mets, Indians, Giants, Dodgers, Yankees, Astros, Giants, Cardinals. Looks like the tour may well have wrapped up for the Vizcount, 17 years after his major-league debut. He had nearly 400 hits while in Houston, including 11 in postseason play (in 62 at-bats). Though his best seasonal work came elsewhere, nobody beats the Viz when it comes to him wearing a Houston cap in the Hall.

Mike Morgan: Don't diss Morgan, who pitched nearly 2,800 innings with a 4.23 ERA for the A's, Yankees, Blue Jays, Mariners, Orioles, Dodgers, Cubs, Cardinals, Reds, Twins, Rangers and Diamondbacks. Whew. Morgan was an All-Star with the '91 Dodgers – the year that it took a Dennis Martinez perfect game to beat him one Sunday in Los Angeles – and his three years here are as good a body of work as he generated in the other 11 cities in which he pitched. Mike Morgan, if you get to make your speech, you'll do it as a Dodger.

Lenny Harris: Lenny's likable, but I still wish he hadn't passed Manny Mota for the career pinch-hitting record. As it happens, Harris had 423 total hits while he was a Dodger, more than he had with the Reds, Mets, Rockies, Diamondbacks, Brewers, Cubs or Marlins. I feel that the Dodgers more than launched his career, and my only hope is that when he wears the L.A. cap during any induction speech that might come, he remembers his platoon partner, the late Mike Sharperson. They made an enjoyable combo, and I miss Mike.

Mike Maddux: Greg's brother no doubt will go to Cooperstown at some point – but what if it were for his own induction ceremony as opposed to his sibling's? The 75 1/3 innings he threw in two stints with the Dodgers aren't going to cut it, so we'll have to choose between the Phillies, Padres, Mets, Pirates, Red Sox, Mariners, Expos and Astros. Though he pitched only two seasons in San Diego (1991-92), his ERA+ numbers were 154 and 151. Padre fans currently enjoying Greg's career can also look back with fondness at Mike's as he wears a San Diego chapeau to any potential Hall ceremony.

Matt Herges: This one's practically such a no-brainer, I almost shouldn't bother including him on the list. Though Herges pitched for all five NL West teams as well as the Expos and Marlins, his 20-13 record and sub-4.00 ERA with Los Angeles all but ensure that if he makes the journey to James Fenimore Cooper's old hunting (and haunting?) grounds, his headwear will have a Dodger insignia. Natty Bumpo would expect no less.

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2007-07-03 10:46:25
1.   Retire 55
LOL. Nicely done. I'm still slightly bitter that my nickname for Maddux ("The White Flag") never caught on.
2007-07-03 10:50:44
2.   Jacob L
One can only conclude that Kevin Elster either,

a) has no chance, according to Jon Weisman!?!
b) goes in as a Met, alongside Piazza, LoDuca, Valentin, and Cedeno.

2007-07-03 10:51:23
3.   Jon Weisman
2 - The list is not at all comprehensive, of course. These are just a selection of many possible candidates.
2007-07-03 10:53:32
4.   Hythloday
From the last post:

I was at the CU-Nebraska game in '01. I think people like the team plenty. That is until recent events. I gave up my season tickets after Barnett's comments about Katie Hnida. That being said I think people here (Denver) are excited about Hawkins and things are improving.

2007-07-03 10:53:41
5.   Jacob L
1 I used to refer to the Dodgers tendency to acquire the wrong brother as "The Mike Maddux Syndrome."
2007-07-03 10:54:58
6.   Humma Kavula
I think it has been determined that Piazza will go in as a Florida Marlin.
2007-07-03 10:55:41
7.   mehmattski
What about Gary Sheffield? And Shawn Green? And J.D. Drew?
2007-07-03 10:57:19
8.   Joshua Worley
I love it!

But what about Hiram Bocachica? Obviously he's still active, but when he retires, and they waive the five year rule and induct him right away, he should go in as a Dodger.

----------------------

Jose Offerman drew 151 more walks in his career than Roberto Clemente. So Offerman clearly gets in!

2007-07-03 10:57:30
9.   Kevin Lewis
Jon,

I definitely didn't mean to imply that I thought you would root for someone to strikeout. My post would have made more sense if I explained it in the context of the weak singles I had seen from Nomar with some pretty bad hacks last night. It seemed to me that the double play was very likely, a single was possible, but if I had to choose between a ball that could be a double play or a K, I would go with the K with Loney on deck.

2007-07-03 10:58:12
10.   fanerman
Kevin Elster... I can't believe that guy hit 3 home runs in one game.
2007-07-03 10:58:36
11.   TheDictator
Kudos to John for the wonderful post! If Offerman goes in, I wonder if all those rookie cards of his I own will rise in value. My son currently uses them as noise makers on his bike!

I have an off the topic question. Ken Gurnick on MLB.com makes the following statements:
ll-Stars that got away: Martin is only the third player drafted by the Dodgers since 1979 to become an All-Star for the Dodgers (fellow catchers Mike Piazza and Paul Lo Duca the others).

But the Dodgers have drafted other players that have gone on to become All-Stars for other clubs. Two future All-Stars they signed and later traded away were Paul Konerko and Ted Lilly.

And they were unable to sign four draftees that later re-entered the Draft and became All-Stars -- Chase Utley, their second-round pick in 1997; current Dodger Randy Wolf, a 25th-rounder in 1994; Phil Nevin, a 1989 third-rounder and Paul Quantrill, a 26th-rounder in 1986.

I was wondering, didn't Quantrill make the all-star team as a Dodger? Was it not the same year Park lost the game in Seattle? Does this not make him a player drafted by the Dodgers to make the All-Star team?

Thanks

2007-07-03 10:58:43
12.   Jon Weisman
9 - I understand.
2007-07-03 11:00:08
13.   Jon Weisman
11 - Thanks for the compliment. In answer to your question, Quantrill was not drafted by the Dodgers, nor did he make the All-Star team as a Dodger.
2007-07-03 11:00:25
14.   Kevin Lewis
I would also like to add how nice it was to see the fans give partial standing ovations to Lowe when he came out and to Martin when he K'd on the last at bat. Of course, Bombko was booed the moment he stepped out of the bullpen...sad to see.
2007-07-03 11:02:27
15.   Jacob L
I'm perfectly happy to see Tomko come in to close out 8-1 games with either team ahead. That's some pretty silly booing.
2007-07-03 11:04:47
16.   TheDictator
13

According to Gurnick's post, Quantrill was drafted in the 26th round in 1986. He didn't sign with the Dodgers but that was not one of Gurnick's conditions.

I thought for sure he was an All-Star that year. Oh well.

Thanks for the correction.

2007-07-03 11:08:30
17.   TheDictator
16
You are a moron!

Quantrill made the All-Star team with Toronto in 2001. It was later that winter he was traded to the Dodgers.

So Gurnick is right and you are still wrong!

So eat that!

2007-07-03 11:08:45
18.   Jon Weisman
13 - Oh, okay.
2007-07-03 11:09:42
19.   Jon Weisman
Okay, this is getting confusing, but 18 refers to 16. And The Dictator is violating Rule 2 with himself!
2007-07-03 11:09:47
20.   hotblackdesiato
How on earth could you snub Alfredo Griffin? 18 seasons -- 3 with Cleveland, 6 with Toronto, 3 in Oakland, 4 in LA, and then 2 more with the Jays. While one would be tempted to go with his tenure in Toronto, let's not forget that twice he on-based over .280 with the Dodgers and was a cornerstone of their 1988 championship club with his gritty .199 batting average and .253 slugging in 316 at bats, with more than half of those coming from the 1 or 2 spot in the lineup.

As a reward for such an impressive display, he actually batted 190 more times the following season, to the tune of a 72 OPS+, the fifth-best total of his career.

2007-07-03 11:11:09
21.   TheDictator
16

However, you were correct that Quantrill did make the All-Star team the year Park lost the game. It was just with Toronto not LA.

Moron!

2007-07-03 11:12:31
22.   Joshua Worley
7 --

Drew goes in as a Phillie.

2007-07-03 11:12:55
23.   Hallux Valgus
4 ugh, yeah I was at that gam, too. CU students just like to cause trouble. The measure of a fan base isn't in rivalry games like Nebraska, but in games like Kansas and (this year) Miami of Ohio. For a Big XII school with so many recent division championships, our almni donations are pathetic. I know I quit donating when the unpleasentness came up, and started again when Hawk was hired, but most people I know just don't care.
2007-07-03 11:13:06
24.   Daniel Zappala
Reggie Smith needs to be in the Hall of Fame as a Dodger.
2007-07-03 11:13:51
25.   Penarol1916
4. The only Colorado football game I ever went to was the 5th down game against Missouri. My younger brother stormed the field afterwards he was so outraged. Most fans there were really mad, not because they realized that Colorado scored on the fifth down, but because the quarterback didn't even come close to crossing the goal-line when they ruled a touchdown. I still can't believe that such a terrible team won the national championship that year.
2007-07-03 11:17:59
26.   D4P
I was at the Colorado game in 1986? against Oregon when the CU quarterback (Sal something?) was paralyzed.
2007-07-03 11:20:42
27.   El Lay Dave
24 I saw Reggie Smith hit a homer against Vida Blue that was similar to Kemp's last night. I think Vida's pitch was much fatter than Smoltz's, but Reggie hit it 435' about 1/4 of the way up the back wall of the left-field bullpen.
2007-07-03 11:22:07
28.   Hallux Valgus
26 Sal Aunese, who also fathered a child with the coaches daughter. Yeah, our history isn't the nicest.
2007-07-03 11:23:06
29.   Jacob L
20 I was just thinking about Griffin earlier today. Yeah, that's what I do all day, think about former Dodgers. Anyhoo, I was saying that he was a pretty subpar player offensively, and part of a wretched infield that somehow managed to win a World Series for LA. Then you posted those numbers. Wow. Just wow. You didn't make those up, did you?
2007-07-03 11:24:32
30.   gibsonhobbs88
14 - Great game last night. Enjoyed it immensely. The following is the type of satirical news story that can be found in the Onion:
Matt Kemp was cited last night by the Advocacy group, "People against brutality to baseballs".{PABB} Kemp was cited and fined with "Excessive abuse and destruction of a spherical object" and also is subject to a punishment of watching Juan Pierre lowlight video of Pierre hitting weak pop outs to shortstop for a period of 3 hours.
Man, did he crush that ball last night!!
2007-07-03 11:25:15
31.   D4P
28
That doesn't sound right. Maybe my memory is mixing different events.
2007-07-03 11:25:48
32.   Hythloday
23 - CU students are trouble-makers, but I never felt that they weren't good fans. I look at it this way: on any given day there are a ton of things to do in Denver/Boulder. In Lincoln there is basically nothing. Of course Nebraska is going to have better turnout and a more loyal fanbase, but I don't think that says anything about the individual fan per se.

25 - I saw CU-Mizzou at Folsom Field a few years back. That Mizzou dance team is smoking hot. They got a bigger cheer than any play on the field.

2007-07-03 11:26:21
33.   Jacob L
30 What are you talking about? Juan Pierre hit a weak popup, a bunt mind you, over the 3rd baseman's head for a double. Who wouldn't want to see that?
2007-07-03 11:27:14
34.   hotblackdesiato
29 - Afraid the numbers are indeed true, and as an addendum to the note of him batting 506 times the year after his .199 campaign, 291 of those were leading off.

Chalk it up to the love of managers in past eras, the 80s in particular, for batting their shortstop first for no other reason than they could run fast. Even though Alfredo only stole 10 bases with the Dodgers once, that same 1989 season, in which he was also caught 7 times.

2007-07-03 11:28:48
35.   regfairfield
30 Alfredo Griffin, Jay Howell, and Jesse Orosco for Bob Welch and Matt Young is under appreciated in the history of bad Dodger trades.
2007-07-03 11:30:13
36.   El Lay Dave
Warning to Greg Brock (if I remember correctly): READ NO FURTHER

Giovanni Carrara should enter the HOF wearing a Dodger blue cap. While Gio toiled for Toronto, Cincinnati, Colorado and Seattle in his well-traveled MLB career, he saved his best work for his two stints in Los Angeles. In his five Dodger years, he mustered up ERA+s of 127, 116, 190, 103 and 101 with WHIPs between 1.14 and 1.27, with the exception of 2005 where his WHIP slightly elevated to 1.36, with a L.A. W-L of 24-11. Elsewhere, Carrara completely caved to opposing batters, never posting an ERA+ higher than 65, nor a WHIP better than 1.83.

2007-07-03 11:30:16
37.   hotblackdesiato
Addendum to the addendum: While Alfredo was previously more prolific in pilfering ... uh ... bases (there's no synonym for "base" that starts with "P", damn it!), his 192 career steals were somewhat offset by being caught 134 times. That's a 58% career rate. He wasn't even remotely good at the one thing he was supposed to be good at!
2007-07-03 11:32:26
38.   Jon Weisman
36 - I think Carrara is Marty's bete noir.
2007-07-03 11:33:23
39.   SFRefugee
When I see that Joses Offerman and Vizcaino both finished with around 1500 hits, it really takes the luster off 3000. Craig Biggio is a shoe-in (shoo?) for the Hall because he got twice as many hits as Jose Offerman?
2007-07-03 11:33:26
40.   gibsonhobbs88
33 - I was poking a sarcastic jab at Pierre for his many "wasted outs" this year flying out to shallow left or to the infield, thereby nullifying his asset of speed. I was not referring to his accidental bunt double last night. It was meant to be funny and a tribute to the majestic power Kemp displayed last night. Lighten up. I was just having fun. Don't you get "tongue-in-cheek humor?
2007-07-03 11:34:45
41.   Jon Weisman
40 - "Lighten up. I was just having fun. Don't you get "tongue-in-cheek humor?"

I think 33 would ask the same question.

2007-07-03 11:35:24
42.   Hallux Valgus
31 excuse me, Aunese died of stomach cancer in 1990. I don't know a paralyzed QB.

32 That was kind of my original point- there's too much stuff to do. But I do think the fan base is kind of apathetic. Denver fills Invesco for CU/CSU, but has trouble filling Folsom for the same event. I think that also contributes to our best preps leaving the state. So far Hawk's done better there, getting Ryan Miller last year, but he lost Clint Brewster to Illinois (before going to Minn. with his dad). That one especially hurt, because Brewster went to my alma mater.

2007-07-03 11:36:12
43.   regfairfield
39 Fortunately, Biggio was a Hall of Famer well before that 3000th hit.
2007-07-03 11:38:05
44.   Greg Brock
I hold no grudge against Offerman, who augmented his colorful fielding...

Terrible is a color? And I also loathe Carrara.

2007-07-03 11:38:07
45.   El Lay Dave
38 Uh-oh, sorry Marty!
2007-07-03 11:38:41
46.   D4P
I don't know a paralyzed QB.

I think he broke his neck.

2007-07-03 11:38:52
47.   SFRefugee
43 -- I agree. I was just using Biggio as an example because he was the latest to that magic number.
2007-07-03 11:39:36
48.   El Lay Dave
38 44 45 Waaaait.... well, still apologies to Marty if he needed the warning too, but I guess my memory isn't that faulty. Yet.
2007-07-03 11:40:26
49.   El Lay Dave
46 Insert rule 1 violating "Longest Yard" reference here.
2007-07-03 11:41:29
50.   Penarol1916
32. Yeah, I remember in high school watching the "Golden Girls" team squad, that was the best part of going to Missouri football games during the Bob Stull era. My sister's freshman year roommate was on the squad, incredibly hot, but apparently disgusting to live with.
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2007-07-03 11:42:20
51.   gibsonhobbs88
41 - Something must of got lost in the translation!:) Oh well! Really did enjoy being at the game last night. 2nd straight game I've been at that resulted in a Dodger blowout. Last game was against the Mets, a 9-3 rout of the Metropolitans near my wife's birthday. Got tickets for Wednesday, God help us with Hendy on the mound. Some payback may be in the works!!
2007-07-03 11:43:22
52.   D4P
My sister's freshman year roommate was on the squad, incredibly hot, but apparently disgusting to live with

Do tell.

2007-07-03 11:43:25
53.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
Just to avoid any controversy or speculation:

I hearby declare, that when I am elected to the Hall of Fame, I will wear a Dodger cap. I appreciate the many, many fans from the many cities in which I have played, and even though I probably contributed the most to the Menlo Park Freaks, my emotional home will always be Chavez Ravine. Hence, I will wear a Dodger cap upon my induction.

Thank you, and keep being baseball fans.

Brent

2007-07-03 11:45:14
54.   El Lay Dave
50 ... for your sister, probably not for you, given the opportunity.
2007-07-03 11:48:15
55.   hotblackdesiato
Um... has anyone made note of this Pierre gem on dodgers.com?

Run, Juan, run: Center fielder Juan Pierre stole his 30th base of the season on Saturday night, the second most in the Majors behind Jose Reyes' 39. The last time Pierre reached 30 steals this early in a season was in 2003, when he stole his 30th on June 19 and finished with a career-high 65 thefts that season.

"For me, it's all about getting on base," Pierre said. "But the main goal is scoring runs."

2007-07-03 11:50:09
56.   D4P
55
That was posted (with little to no fanfare) a few days ago.
2007-07-03 11:51:09
57.   jasonungar07
Jon did you get a chance to watch John from Cincy episode 4 yet?

"I'm here on orders from my Bird"

2007-07-03 11:53:23
58.   Penarol1916
52. Didn't shower for days, even though she was having dance practice for 2-4 hours every day in the humidity of Missouri, never changed her sheets. Her boyfriend was the catcher at Central Missouri State and left his shinguards there for a month. Basically, her room ended up smelling like a guy's dorm room. I don't care, she was still ridiculously hot.
2007-07-03 11:53:38
59.   Disabled List
When I'm inducted into the Hall of Fame, I will the cap of whichever team pays me the most, a la Reggie Jackson and Dave Winfield. Alternately, I will also accept a cushy, well-paid, no-responsibility job in the front office.

Bids are now being accepted.

2007-07-03 11:54:12
60.   Jon Weisman
57 - Yeah. I'll do a Screen Jam post at some point.
2007-07-03 11:56:00
61.   jasonungar07
Cool..I figured.
2007-07-03 11:56:48
62.   D4P
58
Yuck. Cleanliness is next to hotliness.
2007-07-03 12:01:13
63.   underdog
Wow, some of you drank from the funny Kool-Aid this morning. ;-)

Enjoyed your post Jon. Had me going for a few seconds even (literally a few seconds). I always had a soft spot for Lenny Harris, a very reliable hitter off the bench. Hated to see him play elsewhere, even though he wasn't exactly a ... future Hall of Famer.

2007-07-03 12:09:51
64.   Marty
I wouldn't allow Gio to enter the Cooperstown city limits, much less let him get inducted in the hall.
2007-07-03 12:11:34
65.   trainwreck
Jrue Holiday is set to announce he is going to UCLA today according to sources.
2007-07-03 12:11:59
66.   El Lay Dave
58 Bizarre. Or is it just a Missouri thing?
2007-07-03 12:12:57
67.   El Lay Dave
65 Kemp and Russell yesterday, Holiday today, and holiday tomorrow - shaping up as a nice week!
2007-07-03 12:14:25
68.   Penarol1916
66. I think it was just that girl. Otherwise, my sister, who went to high school with her, wouldn't have been so bothered by it.
2007-07-03 12:15:54
69.   Greg Brock
65 Wow. Quite the recruiting class.
2007-07-03 12:18:23
70.   El Lay Dave
68 Well, I guess she cleaned up real nice at least, when she cleaned up at all.
2007-07-03 12:18:52
71.   El Lay Dave
All hail Ben Howland.
2007-07-03 12:20:36
72.   Dodgers49
51s' Young loves to have fun, but his bat is no joke

>>> "His bat's going to get him to the big leagues, and he's going to have to hit to stay in the big leagues," Bundy said. "He doesn't steal bases, and he's not a great defender. His bat's his ticket, there's no doubt about it." <<<

http://www.lvrj.com/sports/8297452.html

2007-07-03 12:32:16
73.   trainwreck
It is official. Jrue Holiday is a Bruin!!

Hello #1 class in the country.

http://tinyurl.com/yqaktk

2007-07-03 12:33:11
74.   regfairfield
Does anyone know where I can find out how many option years a player has left?
2007-07-03 12:33:28
75.   El Lay Dave
Dodgers start international signings, as reported at Press-Enterprise blog by Diamond Leung. (With a comment from Nate.)

The prize of the two is right-hander Jose Dominguez, a 16-year-old featuring a fastball that can touch 90 mph....

"It's rare to see a kid as polished as he is," said Logan White

http://tinyurl.com/2v5r63

2007-07-03 12:34:55
76.   Jon Weisman
73 - Is Love expected to stay only one year, or more?
2007-07-03 12:35:03
77.   Marty
75 They absolutely sure he's 16?
2007-07-03 12:39:26
78.   trainwreck
76
I have heard he told Jrue he would stay to play with him. So probably two years.
2007-07-03 12:41:28
79.   Greg Brock
76 I would put it at even money.

Two years would be nice.

2007-07-03 12:43:30
80.   dzzrtRatt
75 So, in five or six years, will we be calling the pitching mound at Dodger Stadium "Dominguez' Hill?"
2007-07-03 12:48:52
81.   dzzrtRatt
A few other hat in the Hall quandaries, for players a little closer to the bubble (but who never will make it).

Darryl Strawberry
Brett Butler
Kirk Gibson
Steve Finley
Jeff Shaw
John Wetteland
Fred McGriff
John Tudor
Elmer Dessens
Carlos Diaz

2007-07-03 12:51:39
82.   trainwreck
bhsportsguy needs to get on DT to see the good news!!
2007-07-03 12:59:00
83.   Greg Brock
Hard Hitting analysis:

James Loney will be a better hitter than Nomar Garciaparra.

--ESPN Fantasy Overlords

2007-07-03 13:01:35
84.   trainwreck
83
lol yeah I saw that.
2007-07-03 13:08:28
85.   PlayTwo
Come Sept. 1 Mota can suit up and win back his pinch hitting crown.
2007-07-03 13:10:09
86.   Bob Timmermann
85
If Manny Mota comes out of retirement and can get 63 pinch hits in September, I will buy every single person on this blog an iPhone and a solid gold carrying case for it.
2007-07-03 13:12:33
87.   trainwreck
Woo hoo!! I am getting an iPhone.
2007-07-03 13:12:44
88.   Bob Timmermann
Mitch Jones hit his first homer in Japan today for the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters against the Seibu Lions.

Jones is playing first base for the Fighters.

2007-07-03 13:13:08
89.   PlayTwo
86: I wasn't clear: It will take more than one September. Too bad they don't play on Christmas morning. He'd get there sooner.
2007-07-03 13:14:00
90.   Greg Brock
I don't want an iPhone. Can I have a puppy instead?
2007-07-03 13:18:19
91.   Bob Timmermann
90
For you, it will be a puppy. It will be a little mastiff.

When Ichiro had 262 hits in 2004, the most hits he had in any one month was 56 in August.

2007-07-03 13:18:55
92.   Bob Timmermann
89
It's said that on Christmas morning, Juan Pierre can get out of bed and ground out to second.
2007-07-03 13:19:53
93.   trainwreck
I want an iPhone just so I can sell it.
2007-07-03 13:21:33
94.   Marty
Mastiffs do not stay little for long.
2007-07-03 13:22:15
95.   Marty
Pierre is so fast he can turn a light switch off and ground out before it gets dark.
2007-07-03 13:25:00
96.   PlayTwo
92: I'm afraid that's true. Let's see what he can do on the 4th of July.
2007-07-03 13:27:43
97.   Greg Brock
A mastiff is a tough guy dog. I couldn't pull that off.

Can I have an Akita? They look awesome.

Thanks in advance!

2007-07-03 13:29:26
98.   Nagman
Do you think it's definite that Kent will go in as a Giant? That would be great if he and Bonds go in in the same year.
2007-07-03 13:30:35
99.   Terry A
95 - LOL.

And I believe it was Yogi Berra who once said, "If Juan Pierre doesn't want to get on base, how are you going to stop him?"

2007-07-03 13:30:41
100.   Bob Timmermann
97
Greg Brock sounds like a beagle kind of guy. So I will get him a beagle.
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2007-07-03 13:31:27
101.   Greg Brock
Beagles are awesome. I would love a beagle.

Thanks Bob!

2007-07-03 13:32:06
102.   Jacob L
Juan Pierre's slugging percentage is highly bunt dependant.
2007-07-03 13:35:06
103.   godvls
65 - I hope Jrue is a better player than his daddy was.....
2007-07-03 13:35:18
104.   Bob Timmermann
101
Let's see if this works, but here are some choices from a pet rescue site. They aren't all purebred beagles:

http://tinyurl.com/2le8p4

2007-07-03 13:37:16
105.   JT Dutch
... Very nice and humorous piece, Jon.

I remember in 1993, Lasorda made a comment about Offerman; something along the likes of "He's batting third. He's my best hitter right now!", or something of that nature. But you'll never want to ask Tommy off-camera what he thought of Offerman's defense.

I loved the Lenny Sharperson platoon in 1991; we got more production out of that position since the heyday of the Penguin. And Mike Morgan was a VERY good pitcher in 1991; top ten in the league for sure. I forgot about how good Tim Belcher was in 1991, too; right there with the big boys.

81

Darryl Strawberry - Inasmuch as he said that he didn't care if L.A. burned down, I don't think he'll be wearing a Dodger cap. Mets cap for sure.
Brett Butler - He had his best years in L.A.
Kirk Gibson - Tiger cap.
Steve Finley - D-Backs, definitely.
Jeff Shaw - Reds.
John Wetteland - Expos.
Fred McGriff - Braves.
John Tudor - Cardinals, for 1985.
Elmer Dessens - Reds, for 2002.
Carlos Diaz - Mets, for 1983.

2007-07-03 13:42:41
106.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Furcal's next contract: more or less than his current?
2007-07-03 13:44:44
107.   Bob Timmermann
RIP, Boots Randolph.

Let us all take a moment to hum "Yakety Sax."

2007-07-03 13:44:50
108.   Disabled List
The Kemp-for-Buehrle rumor has resurfaced on Yahoo Sports. My favorite part: It is uncertain, however, whether the White Sox would ask for more than Kemp for Buehrle or would consider a trade that did not involve Kemp.

I'd feel bad robbing the White Sox if we only sent them Kemp, so I hope Ned throws in Loney and LaRoche too. After all, Mark Buehrle had an ERA under 5 last year (well, 4.99).

2007-07-03 13:49:21
109.   Eric Enders
Okay, here's what we are going to do. I know Bob is a man of his word. You'll notice that in his post, he just said Mota has to come out of retirement to get 63 pinch hits. He didn't specify how many Septembers, or what kind of league or team it had to be.

Let's say there are 2,000 people on this site. I will split the bounty with you. You get to keep the iPhone, but you give me the solid gold carrying case. With the expected proceeds from the sale of 2,000 solid gold carrying cases, I'll buy an indy league team and sign Manny Mota to play for it, having him pinch hit once a game. We should be able to get him 63 pinch hits by 2012 or so. Then I sell the team and keep the money, while each of you gets a free iPhone.

Foolproof, right?

2007-07-03 13:49:23
110.   Kevin Lewis
86)

I will happily accept an iPhone. I was extremely skeptical, but saw it in the store and a coworker had one yesterday...it is quite nice. Of course, the company, who provides the service for the iPhone and shall not be named, did a number on me in the past, so no switching for at least 3 years.

2007-07-03 13:50:42
111.   Kevin Lewis
109)

Sign me up!

2007-07-03 13:50:50
112.   Eric Enders
106 I would guess more years, more total money, smaller yearly average.
2007-07-03 13:51:31
113.   Kevin Lewis
106)

Do we even resign Furcal after next year? I am liking that 3 year deal more and more.

2007-07-03 13:51:57
114.   Marty
110 Yes, that company is dead to me as well.
2007-07-03 13:52:23
115.   Bob Timmermann
86

* Offer void in the United States and its possessions, Canada, Mexico, and the Philippines. Some restrictions apply. No cash value is implied.

2007-07-03 13:54:26
116.   JT Dutch
107

... Is it wrong that I think of 1989 when I read "Sax" and "Randolph" in your post?

2007-07-03 13:55:11
117.   GobiasIndustries
115
Even Schrutebucks had some monetary value.
2007-07-03 13:55:21
118.   Eric Enders
116 same here.
2007-07-03 14:01:58
119.   D4P
Juan Pierre's slugging percentage is highly bunt dependant

So is his salary.

2007-07-03 14:05:20
120.   CajunDodger
108
I wonder if Colletti is going to settle on Contreras. I would think that a front three of Penny, Lowe, and Wolf give you a solid 1-3 with a potential stud in Bills at #4 (so long as his pitch counts stay down). All we really need is a decent 4.0-4.5 ERA, 6-inning guy for the 5-hole.

I think that we could get Contreras in a straight swap for Ethier.

2007-07-03 14:07:42
121.   Bluebleeder87
Of course, the company, who provides the service for the iPhone and shall not be named, did a number on me in the past, so no switching for at least 3 years.

same here, but in my case i will no longer do business with them.

2007-07-03 14:08:06
122.   Curtis Lowe
120 - If Laroche really is back then why not Betemit and some bullpen fodder for Contreras
2007-07-03 14:10:04
123.   GoBears
100, 101. Does Greg Brock sound like me? Because I have a beagle.

Well, he IS a fellow GB, so yeah, he's beagle-worthy.

2007-07-03 14:12:45
124.   CajunDodger
122
That might work since they are losing Crede after the season. I would just say that if we are giving up Biemel we should go after Otsuka.
2007-07-03 14:14:48
125.   Xeifrank
DodgerSims has the Dodgers win probabilty tonight at 52.7%, and that is with Loney, Kemp and Martin all in the lineup.
Go Dodgers!
vr, Xei
2007-07-03 14:15:12
126.   Bluebleeder87
i was reassured that Kemp wont get traded reading the Dodgers.com Ken Gurnik article, i guess i was a bit paranoid yesterday.
2007-07-03 14:16:53
127.   Curtis Lowe
Plus I really want don't want to lose Ethier and have LaRoche have to play right field what with the Scoreboard and its should eating tendencies.
2007-07-03 14:17:01
128.   Curtis Lowe
shoulder
2007-07-03 14:19:08
129.   Xeifrank
I think I may have had something to do with the win last night. I seemed to jinx the Dodgers whenever I was watching, and seemed to be helping them whenever I flipped the tv off. I turned on the game and it was 0-0 with the Dodger threatening to score. Of course they didn't score, but Atlanta did to take a 1-0 lead. I then turned off the tv to do some yardwork (as it had cooled off enough to go outside). Sure enough when I flipped back on the TV, Beimel was batting and Kemp was receiving high fives in the dugout after hitting one "way" out and giving the Dodgers a 3-1 lead. I watched for a shortwhile, nothing happened. Then was asked to turn off the TV, so my daughter could sleep with her door open (let the cool air in) and the Dodgers managed to score a handful more of runs, including a bunt double, that I still don't know what happened on. I'm not sure but tonight's jinx may have to do with the volume setting of the TV or what snack I decide to eat. Only time will tell.
vr, Xei
2007-07-03 14:21:51
130.   jasonungar07
I dont think we should make any moves. We can win this thing with what we have.
2007-07-03 14:23:09
131.   Greg Brock
123 I hear that beagles are very, very smart dogs but are way energetic. True?

I may be in the market for a dog at some point. I need to get my advance scouts on this.

2007-07-03 14:24:48
132.   underdog
I love beagles but they sure are barky. Really barky. I think we should get Greg an iBeagle instead. Especially after the next generation comes out.
2007-07-03 14:25:05
133.   CajunDodger
130
If by thing you mean the West, I think you're right. I don't think we get out of the first round again without a bat and a better long relief option.

DFA TOMKO!!!

2007-07-03 14:29:22
134.   Marty
131 Labs, particularly black labs, are wonderful.
2007-07-03 14:31:20
135.   jasonungar07
If your looking for a small dog, try the Havanese. I have one and he is great. He dosen't shed which is huge, great with kids, is mellow and non barky. Loyal and smart. It's my first dog and did lots of research because both me and my wife work and we live in a small house and we are having kids.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Havanese0315.jpg

The Havanese is one of the smartest, most astute breeds there is, watching their owner intently, taking every cue from them. They love attention, but are quite happy to rest quietly next to their human family. If they are feeling playful, they will go get a toy and bring it to a family member to throw, hide or play keep away with. This is a highly trainable dog.

2007-07-03 14:32:07
136.   regfairfield
133 How many times has long relief decided anything?
2007-07-03 14:32:10
137.   Greg Brock
My uncle had a black lab named Maggie. What a great animal she was. I could go for an iLab.

http://photos17.flickr.com/20630732_dc06c0eef0_m.jpg

2007-07-03 14:33:01
138.   Eric Enders
Brief minor league update from last night's games:

For Las Vegas, Andy LaRoche homered. He has been en fuego in three games since he was activated from the DL, going 6-for-11 with two doubles, a triple, and a home run. He has raised his overall season batting average to .268. Delwyn Young went 3-for-5 with a triple, his league-leading 32nd double, and three runs scored. He's now batting .332/.380/.587 on the year.

For Jacksonville, Chin-Lung Hu went 1-for-3 with a walk, hitting his league-leading 28th double. He's at .326/.377/.498 on the year. In the same game, Jon Meloan piched an inning and struck out two batters, lowering his ERA to 2.06. (You hear that, Brett Tomko?)

For Inland Empire, Blake DeWitt broke out with a 5-for-5 game and is regaining his prospect status with what is becoming an outstanding year. He's now batting .306/.342/.476 and is third in the Cal League with 26 doubles. Tomorrow the 66ers play a one-game playoff with Lancaster to determine the first-half champion. With newly-minted phenom James McDonald scheduled to pitch that game, I like their chances.

For Great Lakes, 23-year-old Dominican reliever Miguel Ramirez recorded his 11th save, lowering his ERA to 1.41. He's been dominant in the Midwest League, but is old for that level, so he'll need to be promoted to Inland Empire soon to help determine whether he's a real prospect or not.

For Ogden, Glenn Gallagher is beginning to validate the opinion of those scouts who said he wasn't ready to handle pro pitching when he was drafted a month ago. He's batting .259/.286/.296 in a hitter's paradise. Jaime Ortiz, a 19-year-old first baseman from Puerto Rico, went 3-for-4 with his third home run and is now slugging .588.

The Gulf Coast League Dodgers were rained out in Vero Beach, preserving their still-perfect record at 9-0. 19-year-old Pedro Baez, the power-hitting man-child signed out of the Dominican five months ago, looks like the real deal so far, hitting at a .357/.372/.595 pace. The much-ballyhooed Kyle Orr, making his pro debut more than a year after being drafted, is struggling mightily in his first exposure to pro pitching: .179/.258/.393. Shortstop/second base prospect Yosanddy Garcia, 19, is as raw as they come, posting a .238 OBP and striking out in 38 percent of his plate appearances -- but four of his five hits this year are home runs.

2007-07-03 14:34:06
139.   CajunDodger
136
How about on Saturday?
2007-07-03 14:36:36
140.   regfairfield
139 Managerial mistake/function of a tired bullpen. No team has a good long reliever, and Brett Tomko, bad as he is now, is probably one of the better ones. Long relievers are by definition guys who come into games that have gotten out of hand, so making any sort of effort to get one seems pointless.
2007-07-03 14:38:03
141.   regfairfield
The problem is that right now, the Dodgers are carrying two long relievers, Hendrickson and Tomko. The Dodgers need to cut one of them, I would recommend Hendrickson.
2007-07-03 14:40:18
142.   ToyCannon
I don't have to wait for Kershaw to come West. Out of the blue a friend just asked me to the Futures game. SF here I come.

G Brock get a mixed Lab/Beagle. Best dog in the world. Why is it that every mixed black Lab has a white spot in the middle of the chest?

2007-07-03 14:42:00
143.   Eric Enders
140 That's true enough, as far as it goes. But we've already lost at least one game this year because our long reliever is bad. I think what frustrates people most is that we have many better options in the organization (Kuo, Hull, Meloan) and are refusing to use them. Why use a terrible pitcher when you have a better one available?
2007-07-03 14:43:58
144.   CajunDodger
140
Good point, but I would like to see us strengthen the bullpen even further. The loss of Billingsley is significant. No matter what, with the game on the line in a situation like that, the long reliever is coming in the game. Right now, whenever he enters the game, it seems as if it is a guaranteed 2-3 runs.
2007-07-03 14:45:09
145.   Bob Timmermann
I am skirting a Rule 5 violation here, but I believe that Mirthala Salinas is how you say "Carolyn Hughes" in Spanish.
2007-07-03 14:47:00
146.   jasonungar07
We were a bonehead running play from possibly getting out last year. I know the team is flawed but your asking for a guy with a 4.00 ERA fifth starter type. There are 47 starters in baseball this year with an era under 4.05 on quick look Maybe 1-2 a team? And we have one who is close even though I can't stand watching him..Mark Henderickson is 2-3 with a 4.08 era. Plus I don't want to give up any kid. Ethier should be starting but we have Pierre and Gonzo has been great so what can we do.

You are right though, this is not gonna cut it. And I can't take another second of Tomko either, no matter how anyone tries to justify it. Were asking him to do 1/6th of what we signed him for and we cant even trust him to do that. he is a waste of roster spot and I'd rather have that spot a shuffle spot for pulling guys up to give them a look.

But Hendu:

Pitch 1-15 3.86
Pitch 16-30 2.76
Pitch 31-45 4.11
Pitch 46-60 2.79
Pitch 61-75 11.25

2007-07-03 14:48:16
147.   D4P
?Quien es Mirthala Salinas?
2007-07-03 14:48:25
148.   jasonungar07
regfairfield

Why keep Tomko over Henderickson? (did he draw the short straw?)

2007-07-03 14:49:16
149.   Greg Brock
145 Witty yet inappropriate comment goes here

And here

2007-07-03 14:49:39
150.   underdog
141 Really? You'd cut Hendrickson over Tomko? Right now, I'd do the opposite. Tomko is consistently hittable and terrible, whereas at least Hendy can get outs. We'll see how he does on Wednesday as a starter (and I'm nervous about it, but have more faith in him than Tomko or the current incarnation of Kuo for that matter.) I'd cut Tomko in a heartbeat. We have Houlton for long relief, too. DFA Tomko, use Houlton and Hendy, then if they trade for a 5th starter, Hendy can go back to bullpen or be DFA'd, too.
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2007-07-03 14:50:14
151.   CajunDodger
143
I agree. Houlton maybe even deserves a shot in that role.

If Tomko stinks, then trade for someone else or replace him internally. Tomko just can't be used in this role and is wasting a roster spot. Last night, with a 6-run lead, he came in and we ended up having to nearly take him out. Honeycutt ended up having to warm up a guy.

2007-07-03 14:55:26
152.   Hallux Valgus
Right now, Tomko reminds me of Jake Plummer for the Broncos last year. He keeps trying to hard, and he's just digging him deeper and deeper into a hole. He doesn't really have a bulldog-type psyche, so when he tries to bear down, he just gets lost.
2007-07-03 14:55:45
153.   GobiasIndustries
Brett Tomko is the new Russ Ortiz. Somewhere along the way he just "lost it". Cut bait now. Let some other fool take a Milton Bradley type chance on him. Bradley, when healthy, can at least contribute. Right now Tomko brings NOTHING to the table and it's obvious to everyone but management that we don't need him. Bring up another kid.
2007-07-03 14:56:42
154.   Bob Timmermann
As bad as you think Tomko is, he is not as bad as Ortiz was when he lost it.
2007-07-03 14:58:23
155.   Greg Brock
The Russ Ortiz immolation was a wonder to behold. I brought marshmallows.

I think Bob wept. From joy.

2007-07-03 14:58:37
156.   Bob Timmermann
Tomko's ERA+ this year is 74. In 2004 and 2005, Ortiz had ERA+ of 64 and 57.
2007-07-03 14:58:46
157.   GobiasIndustries
154
That's why he's the NEW Russ Ortiz.
2007-07-03 14:58:47
158.   underdog
152 Heh, as a Broncos fan I enjoy your analogy, though I think Plummer was slightly better than that, and could also probably pitch mop up relief better than Tomko. ;-) I guess Cutler is the Broxton.

If he were a gadget, iTomko would be like the Apple Newton. Looks cool but obsolete, doesn't work well, must be recalled.

2007-07-03 14:58:50
159.   ToyCannon
Jon's subject got me thinking about a real Los Angeles Dodger HOF. We've had few players who were worthy of the HOF but we've had lots of players who should be in the LA Dodger HOF. To be eligible I would think they would have had to play at least 500 games for the LA Dodgers.
1st Team
1st - Garvey
2nd - Lopes
SS - Wills
3b - Cey
C - Piazza(HOF)
LF - Baker
CF - W Davis
RF - Mondesi
SP - Koufax(HOF), Fernando, Drysdale(HOF), Sutton(HOF)
RP - Gagne/Perranowski

2nd Team
1st - Karros
2nd - Sax
SS - Russel
3b - Gilliam
C - Roseboro
LF - Pedro Guerreo
CF - Butler
RF - R Smith
SP - R Martinez, Hershiser, Ruess, Osteen
RP - Brewer/Regan

3rd Team
1st - Parker
2nd - Lefebvre
SS -
3b - Beltre
C - Scoscia
LF - T Davis
CF-
RF - Green
SP - Messersmith, Nomo, Hooten, Podres
RP - Howell/Saito

Great hitters not making the games played cut- Wynn, Sheffield(HOF), Murray(HOF), Allen

Just off the top skimming through rosters without any statistical analysis to back it up. Eric and others can put them in the right order.
After the 1st team the infield is weak but were strong in the corner OF and the pitching just goes on forever.

Honorable Mention
Yeager ,Joe Ferguson, Howard, W Moon
Welch, Hough, Al Downing, T John
D Rau, M Marshall, Rhoden, Howe, Neidenfuer
Belcher, Astacio, Valdez, D Rau

2007-07-03 14:59:13
160.   Eric Enders
153 That implies Tomko ever "had it" to begin with. Which I'm pretty sure he didn't.
2007-07-03 14:59:24
161.   CajunDodger
146
I couldn't agree more. Perhaps trading for someone to fill this role is not the answer, but getting another SP may indirectly solve the problem by allowing Hendy to move back into the pen and allow us to DFA Tomko or trade him if someone is dumb enough to give us something for him.

Whatever happened to Eric Stults? Maybe we could throw him out there and see if he sticks...

2007-07-03 15:00:14
162.   Hallux Valgus
Immolation is a fun word to use in colloquial settings.
2007-07-03 15:00:39
163.   Xeifrank
135. Looks like a nice dog, but are they really $2000?? Couldn't see myself spending $2k on a dog. vr, Xei
2007-07-03 15:01:54
164.   Bob Timmermann
In 2004, Tomko had an ERA+ of 110 and in Game 161 of the season, he shut the Dodgers out for 7 1/3 innings.

Then Felipe Alou went to the bullpen...

2007-07-03 15:02:14
165.   Greg Brock
Sloppy Thurston has to make the all-Dodgers team. On principle.
2007-07-03 15:03:03
166.   GobiasIndustries
160
You would be about 1000% correct on that sentiment!
2007-07-03 15:04:14
167.   Eric Enders
159 I think your 500-game requirement is a bit too stringent. For one thing, several of the guys on your team (Gagne, Nomo etc.) don't even meet it. Plus I think there should be a place for guys like Manny Mota and Kirk Gibson, regardless of how many games they actually played.

There are non-players who need to be in, too -- Vin, Jaime Jarrin, Mike Brito, Frank Jobe.

2007-07-03 15:04:16
168.   Hallux Valgus
158 If you saw the last game, I'm thinking specifically of the sequence when Cutler got concussed, came out, and Plummer came in, chucked the ball as far as he could on the first play, and was intercepted. That's the way Tomko looks on every pitch.

If Tomko were a gadget, I think he'd be the iPenguin:
http://tinyurl.com/3bsjrz

2007-07-03 15:04:33
169.   Gagne55
161 Stultz has an era over 7 on the year in AAA. And he's given up tons of base hits. His DIPS are decent though.
2007-07-03 15:06:12
170.   Eric Enders
163 But a dog has personality! Personality goes a long way.
2007-07-03 15:06:41
171.   Spotted Owl
D4P - The Colorado Buffalo that was paryalzed at a game at Autzen was a tightend. I believe his name was Reinhart, or something like that, and his little brother came to play for the Ducks at somepoint as a defensive end .

At least thats how I remember it, but most Duck fans try to forget any of the 70's and 80's in football and concentrate on our increased fortune since becoming NIKE University.

2007-07-03 15:06:52
172.   GobiasIndustries
164
That means nothing to me as we also made Woody Williams, Jeff Supan, and Jason Marquis all look like Cy freaking Young in the NLDS a few days later.
2007-07-03 15:06:55
173.   Gagne55
165 Joe Thurston? the secondbaseman of the future c. 2002?
2007-07-03 15:08:00
174.   JT Dutch
159

... I'd put Lefebvre on the second team and Sax on the third.

Also, I've gotta think that Tommy John goes in there somewhere.

To fill in your third team, I'd put Greg Gagne at SS and John Shelby in CF.

2007-07-03 15:08:17
175.   regfairfield
Tomko is pretty much a known quantity. Despite his current suckitude, his strikeout rate is actually pretty good this year (7.67 per nine) and he's actually cut his walks almost in half from his usual numbers. The problem is the nine bombs in 65.7 innings. His FIP, basically defense neutral ERA, is 4.27. As far as I can see, there's nothing that really indicates that he's still Brett Tomko, and just going through a very bad stretch.

Hendrickson has actually been very similar to Tomko, similar innings, strikeouts, walks and the same propensity for giving up the jack. Because of this, I'd say keep Tomko, who is pretty much guaranteed to be below average, over Hendrickson, whose track record indicates he wouldn't be in the bigs if he wasn't on Tampa Bay.

2007-07-03 15:08:23
176.   Eric Enders
171 It must be tough to be a fan of university where athletic success is directly proportional to the degree to which you dress like a clown.
2007-07-03 15:09:35
177.   ToyCannon
167
Yes, will the 500 game limit was for position players. Obviously you'd have to have another criteria for starting pitchers and relief pitchers.
Manny Mota has to be in there somewhere. Better minds then mine can fill in the holes. Wouldn't Vinny have to be the 1st inductee of the Dodger HOF?
2007-07-03 15:10:55
178.   Greg Brock
173 http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/thurssl01.shtml

170 I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.
--Winston Churhill

2007-07-03 15:11:59
179.   ToyCannon
174
Shelby over Landreaux?
CF other then Davis/Butler is just not very strong, so really Juan Pierre is just following tradition.

Frenchy had the great start in 65/66 but was injury riddled the rest of his career.

2007-07-03 15:12:05
180.   Hallux Valgus
176 Not if you went to the Clown Conservatory in San Francisco. I bet they could beat New Mexico State most years.
2007-07-03 15:12:30
181.   D4P
171
Reinhart sounds right. I'm pretty sure that was during the early part of Bill Musgrave's career.
2007-07-03 15:15:38
182.   ryu
The LA Times now reporting Jrue Holiday has committed to UCLA.
2007-07-03 15:16:01
183.   Gagne55
174 Ken Landreaux > Jon Shelby in respective dodger careers.
2007-07-03 15:16:34
184.   ryu
Oops, 65 beat me to it.
2007-07-03 15:17:56
185.   Spotted Owl
"176" Everytime the Ducks try a new uniform combo and Angel gets its wings...
2007-07-03 15:18:27
186.   Bob Timmermann
Judging between Landreaux and Shelby is like trying to decide if it's better to get diabetes or lung cancer.
2007-07-03 15:19:21
187.   Eric Stephen
Furcal, SS
Pierre, CF
Loney, 1B
Kent, 2B
Gonzo, LF
Kemp, RF
Betemit, 3B
Lieberthal, C
Wolf, P
2007-07-03 15:19:31
188.   Spotted Owl
Or.. Everytime the Ducks try a new uniform combo an 8 year old Phillapino child gets 1/2 of a penny.
2007-07-03 15:19:51
189.   Eric Stephen
187 Per ItD
2007-07-03 15:20:23
190.   trainwreck
I like the lineup for most part with no Martin in there.
2007-07-03 15:20:41
191.   Gagne55
So 159 has inspired me to look through the Dodgers starters over the years. Ron Fairly looks like a nice player for 1B or RF. Better than Karros.
2007-07-03 15:21:16
192.   Jon Weisman
Wow, Loney gets the three-spot with Martin resting. Many should be thrilled.
2007-07-03 15:22:17
193.   ToyCannon
I like it.

Boom Boom is going boom tonight in a pre celebration of July 4th.

2007-07-03 15:22:44
194.   Dodger Jack
I am still thinking about LaRoche and his trade value. He is hitting .266 in 38 games in AAA and has only four dingers. Is this the crown jewel of our prospects? Why? He didn't hit much during his admittedly short stint in MLB. The labrum remains a concern. Maybe LaRoche is a future star. If so, what is the basis for that assessment? I am trying to like this guy but, so far, am not encouraged.

To get value, we are going to have to part with one or more of our prospects. Better to trade LaRoche than Kemp, Loney, Bills, or even Abreu (who at least has shown that he can hit ML pitching).

2007-07-03 15:24:15
195.   silverwidow
194-No, LaRoche is not the "crown jewel", Kershaw is.

And I really hate seeing Betemit in there. Why not Abreu?

2007-07-03 15:26:28
196.   ToyCannon
194
His prior minor league history before the shoulder problems. Looks like he's swinging with some authority again. Headed into this year he was a higher rated prospect then either Pence or Braun and you've seen what they have done while healthy. I agree this year looks weak but let's not discount him on 1/2 year of minor league numbers and instead focus on what he's done in the past. I was down on Loney for the same reason and he's made me look foolish.
2007-07-03 15:27:00
197.   GobiasIndustries
195
Hate to see Betemit? That's a shame. I hate that we don't get to see him more.
2007-07-03 15:27:41
198.   Eric Stephen
195 Because Betemit is a better hitter than Abreu, even when Wilson is hitting .190.
2007-07-03 15:27:41
199.   ToyCannon
195
Because we like to go "boom boom" and not " ping ping".
2007-07-03 15:28:26
200.   trainwreck
194
You are judging him based off this season alone. In addition, he showed great discipline while he was on the major league club.

We should not trade any of our young players. There is no good trade out there for us. But Ned will do something because Ned always has to do something.

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2007-07-03 15:28:31
201.   ToyCannon
195
Because we like to go "boom boom" and not "ping ping".
2007-07-03 15:29:17
202.   regfairfield
194 This is why: .292/.372/.513. LaRoche's career minor league numbers.

I'm still hesitant to call Kkershaw the crown jewel, because the last young pitchers the Dodgers had that did what Kershaw is doing are Greg Miller and Edwin Jackson. Things can happen to him.

2007-07-03 15:30:19
203.   ToyCannon
200
You mean like trade for Maddux? Don't you hate it when you get an ace for spare parts because he just has to fiddle.
2007-07-03 15:30:41
204.   Greg Brock
LaRoche is a great prospect in that, pre-shoulder injury, he was a good a bet to be a quality, dependable, better than average third baseman for many years. Not David Wright, Not Alex Gordon, but a very, very good 3rd baseman. On talent, or ceiling, Kershaw and Kemp are better (in my opinion).

3rd baseman are hard to find (can't you tell), and young, dependable, quality 3rd baseman are rarer. Actually, we're entering a pretty unusual era for so many good third young third baseman.

2007-07-03 15:31:01
205.   Eric Enders
179 "CF other then Davis/Butler is just not very strong, so really Juan Pierre is just following tradition."

Duke Snider played 498 games for the L.A. Dodgers, most frequently in center field, and put up a 136 OPS+ during his time in Los Angeles.

2007-07-03 15:31:46
206.   silverwidow
198-Disagree. Wilson has an ugly, swooping swing and is essentially a feast or famine hitter. He's looked especially awful of late.

Abreu isn't great, either, but he's a better bet to make contact.

2007-07-03 15:32:42
207.   ToyCannon
205
Thank God, I glanced at his games and must of missed something because I thought he wasn't close to 500. Stick his HOF butt in there.
2007-07-03 15:34:23
208.   Jon Weisman
The Rockies just recalled Matt Herges, thus giving him the chance to pad his career numbers for future evaluation.
2007-07-03 15:34:39
209.   trainwreck
203
I mean like the trade for Julio Lugo.
2007-07-03 15:34:46
210.   Jon Weisman
From AP: "Herges, 37, was with the Rockies April 19-20, appearing in two games and allowing four runs, three earned, in three innings. At Colorado Springs he's gone 2-1 with a 1.27 ERA in 35 1/3 innings. Opponents were hitting .194 off him and he had 33 strikeouts and 10 walks."
2007-07-03 15:35:23
211.   ToyCannon
206
Hey, if you love contact he's your man. He's not what I like in a 3b but I can understand the support for him even if it is misguided.
2007-07-03 15:35:30
212.   Eric Stephen
206 When Abreu makes contact, he doesn't produce what Betemit does. Betemit's "ugly, looping swing" has produced a higher OBP and equal SLG to Abreu, even with Wilson's low AVG.

Who cares how their swings look? Production matters. And do you really want to talk about ugly swings without mentioning the hacktastic Abreu? He has swung at pitches that have almost hit him on numerous occasions.

2007-07-03 15:36:21
213.   ToyCannon
209
Oh, I thought you meant the deal for Marlon the Magician.
2007-07-03 15:37:24
214.   Greg Brock
Wilson has an ugly, swooping swing
(looks don't matter)

and is essentially a feast or famine hitter
(except that he gets on base and hits home runs. That's feast or feast)

He's looked especially awful of late.
(See above)

Abreu isn't great, either
(correct)

but he's a better bet to make contact
(we don't get contact points)

2007-07-03 15:39:19
215.   Eric Enders
206 So far, every criticism I've read of Betemit this year focuses on how he looks and not how he plays.

Wanting guys who look like good ballplayers rather than being good ballplayers is what got us into this Juan Pierre mess. Let us not go down that road again.

2007-07-03 15:41:21
216.   El Lay Dave
195 Because Betemit has a career OPS vs. Kyle Davies of 5.000 !
2007-07-03 15:42:43
217.   GobiasIndustries
(we don't get contact points)

Comedy.

2007-07-03 15:44:22
218.   Jon Weisman
It's funny to look at the feast of famine thing. Betemit hasn't had a single since June 13. He also hasn't started since June 24.

I lost track of how little Betemit has played lately. He has had nine starts since May 20, five of those coming the week of June 10.

2007-07-03 15:45:01
219.   Greg Brock
I probably could have made my point without fisking another poster. My apologies.

Fisking...he he.

2007-07-03 15:45:48
220.   Bob Timmermann
Julio Lugo is looking for his first hit off of an AL pitcher since June 5.

However, he wasn't tearing up NL pitching either, having just four hits in interleague play.

His last overall was an infield single against Colorado on June 14.

2007-07-03 15:46:21
221.   CajunDodger
215
Every time I think about giving up on Betemit, all I can think of is David Ortiz and his stint with the Twins...
2007-07-03 15:47:14
222.   Marty
Why is it that every mixed black Lab has a white spot in the middle of the chest?

That is true. My female lab mix has a white chest and white "socks"

2007-07-03 15:47:19
223.   Eric Stephen
219 If by "Fisking" you wanted the other poster to stay fair (by waiving your arms), well done.
2007-07-03 15:47:35
224.   blue22
215 - So far, every criticism I've read of Betemit this year focuses on how he looks and not how he plays.

It's Choi redux!

2007-07-03 15:48:42
225.   silverwidow
Looks DO matter when they correlate with a lack of production. And it's obvious that "raw power" is being severely overrated here.

It's a big part of why Joel Guzman will never make it.

2007-07-03 15:49:07
226.   El Lay Dave
Dodgers starting lineup vs. Davies on May 6:
R. Furcal ss
J. Pierre cf
N. Garciaparra 1b
J. Kent 2b
L. Gonzalez lf
A. LaRoche 3b
A. Ethier rf
M. Lieberthal C
R. Wolf P

Interesting that it was Wolf both times and Lieberthal both times.

2007-07-03 15:51:57
227.   Jon Weisman
225 - I think it's fair to say if looks matter when they correlate with a lack of production, then it's really only the lack of production that matters.

And since Betemit's production has been at least marginally higher than Abreu's ...

2007-07-03 15:53:01
228.   Greg Brock
Looks have no function. None.

You can take anything and try to make it a factor. Shoe size, favorite color, personal taste in interior design, and try to make it a factor.

The only thing that correlates to production is data. And it tells us that Betemit is the best option at third base.

2007-07-03 15:54:26
229.   natepurcell
Laroche is an A prospect and major league baseball should put a ban on teams trading A prospects.
2007-07-03 15:54:55
230.   Eric Stephen
225 You are not acknowledging that Betemit's "lack of production" has been greater production than Abreu, or Nomar for that matter thus far in 2007.
2007-07-03 15:56:09
231.   Eric Stephen
229 Unless the A prospect comes to the Dodgers.
2007-07-03 15:56:57
232.   CajunDodger
229
I would love to hear more on this...

Why? I love the fact that the Rays got Kazmir and the Marlins got Hanley Ramirez because of the win-now attitude of the Mets and Sox.

Or was that a joke that I somehow missed...

2007-07-03 15:57:55
233.   natepurcell
Diamond Leung send me an email saying that hes coming out with a more in depth article on Logan White and our international efforts so look out for that. I'm assuming we are going to go with alot of Jose Dominguez type signings (50k/low cost) and see if one of them hits and stay out of the huge bonus market.
2007-07-03 15:57:59
234.   Greg Brock
225 I will add that Betemit's sample size is very small because he doesn't play. So I will readily concede that over time, Abreu could be better than Betemit. But it doesn't look like an argument that is provable, because neither one plays enough.

So I'm not arguing about which player is better, really. I'm just talking about production and how the eye fools. And it's not personal. And if I am being rude, I apologize.

2007-07-03 15:57:59
235.   Eric Enders
225 "Looks DO matter when they correlate with a lack of production."

If that's the case, then you've just made an excellent argument against Tony "Swing at Everything" Abreu.

Look, Betemit gets on base more than Abreu does. He hits for more power. He fields better at third base. So why do you want Abreu? Because he makes more contact? So what? An out is an out is an out. Except sometimes in Abreu's case it's two outs, since he hits ground balls instead of striking out.

Literally the only thing Abreu does better than Betemit this year is hit groundouts. I like me a good groundout, I guess, but I wouldn't want to base my offense around them.

2007-07-03 15:58:17
236.   CajunDodger
I like to use elipses...
2007-07-03 15:58:18
237.   silverwidow
230-Betemit is better because his OBP is .005 higher than Abreu? Too small of a margin there. And I'm someone who thinks OBP is the most important of baseball stats.
2007-07-03 15:58:59
238.   natepurcell
232

if there was a ban, it would stop Colletti from doing something retarded. Although he has been very wise in which prospects to trade and which to keep so far in his tenure.

2007-07-03 16:00:38
239.   CajunDodger
225
Not to throw any more fuel on this fire, but Abreu's average is a bit higher.

But then that gets us into the same mindset that caused us to sign Pierre.

2007-07-03 16:01:03
240.   kngoworld
238

Luck.

2007-07-03 16:01:14
241.   Eric Stephen
221 When I first read your comparison, I thought it was way off. But upon further review it's decent:

Betemit's career (thus far through his age 25 season):
.258/.331/.431, 96 OPS+ in 899 PA, 30.0 PA/HR

Ortiz's career through 2001 (his age 25 season; he was non-tendered after 2002):
.264/.351/.446, 102 OPS+ in 1227 PA, 32.3 PA/HR

2007-07-03 16:01:16
242.   GoBears
Back to the beagle talk for a moment:

My beagle never barks. She bays every once in a while, mostly at squirrels that are absconding with my oranges (serves 'em right). She's a great dog - very playful and affectionate (4 yrs old). Downsides include prolific shedding (doesn't really bother me that much - that's what vacuums are for) and she's very possessive of toys, and strong-willed in general. Probably not a great dog for little kids. In fact, that's why we have her. She was exiled from her first home after biting a toddler who stole her toy. She's also tough to walk. Turn on nose, turn off brain. Very strong-willed. So, YMMV, but I'm quite happy with her.

2007-07-03 16:02:00
243.   Dodger Jack
Abreu, my friends, is our second baseman of the future. The guy was asked to play third. It is not his natural position. His defense is adequate there but he lacks the power we expect of a third-sacker. He is Kent's heir apparent at second. Putting him at third was a desperation move because Betemit can't clear the Mendoza line and LaRoche didn't hit enough to stay in the lineup.

Betemit, LaRoche, Abreu -- none of them are the answer at third. Betemit is probably the closest to it as he has proven that, at least at one time, he could hit ML pitching. LaRoche has yet to prove himself. Abreu is a second baseman who will hit like one.

2007-07-03 16:02:14
244.   trainwreck
238
The only thing is that we do not have the same amount of minor league depth. Most teams know which prospects they want on our team now.
2007-07-03 16:02:21
245.   natepurcell
240

luck or he is listening to his player development people.

2007-07-03 16:02:52
246.   Eric Enders
I have two beagles and based on that experience, would probably never get any other kind of dog.
2007-07-03 16:02:59
247.   CajunDodger
238
Ahhh...my apologies. A bit slow on the uptake I am.

We do have to admit that if Guzman, Tiffany, and Jackson do not work out, we may have actually gotten the better end of those deals.

Hall wasn't bad, Hendrickson was bad, but has been serviceable this year, and we at least got a supplementary pick for Lugo.

2007-07-03 16:03:23
248.   trainwreck
243
How can you say LaRoche is not the answer at third? Loney started off terrible last year when he was first called up.
2007-07-03 16:03:38
249.   natepurcell
243

You keep saying Laorche is not the answer at third but this opinion is based on half a season of play while ignoring his excellent minor league production and amateur pedigree.

2007-07-03 16:03:38
250.   Hythloday
236 - I like to use eclipses, but so far god hasn't given me the authority.
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2007-07-03 16:03:44
251.   Andrew Shimmin
Career Minor League numbers

Betemit:.279/.338/.426 2511 AB
Ortiz: .310/.382/.530 1938 AB

2007-07-03 16:05:20
252.   natepurcell
247

i personally dont see any of those 3 becoming above average mlb players. they all have some huge flaws that will make it extremely difficult to overcome. That said, they all have better chances then Chris Withrow and James Adkins of producing in the majors.

2007-07-03 16:05:33
253.   Marty
If you get a Lab, and it's not a rescue, make sure it comes from a reputable breeder. Mine came from a pet store and he has had myriad health problems. I love him to death, but I wouldn't wish his medical bills on anyone. Well, maybe Pierre.
2007-07-03 16:05:43
254.   kngoworld
245

I believe he is listening when his "development people" say to hold on to Kemp and Loney, although who knows if these "development people" wanted to keep the ones he sent packing.

2007-07-03 16:05:49
255.   Greg Brock
Turn on nose, turn off brain.

It's almost like beagles and I were made for each other!
When the time comes, I'm gettin' me a beagle!

2007-07-03 16:05:49
256.   Eric Stephen
237 Do you really think Betemit is a .190 hitter? Even with his putrid BA, Betemit's OBP is higher than Abreu, even if the difference is only .005.

Betemit's BABIP is only .200. Some of his outs over time will be hits, and his OBP will be even higher.

Abreu's BABIP is .313

2007-07-03 16:06:21
257.   natepurcell
251

its really hard to use betemits minor league production and project it to the majors because he is a completely different type of hitter now then in the minors.

2007-07-03 16:07:31
258.   confucius
228 "Looks have no function. None."

Even if you're watching tennis?

2007-07-03 16:08:16
259.   Eric Stephen
251 I'm not saying Betemit will become Big Papi; I'm just surprised their early MLB numbers weren't miles apart.
2007-07-03 16:08:33
260.   blue22
Considering Abreu and Betemit's OBP, SLG, and OPS are nearly identical, is the primary argument for Betemit that his OBP is less BA-dependent?

Betemit - .327/.421/.748
Abreu - .322/.421/.743

2007-07-03 16:08:39
261.   natepurcell
254

I'm assuming that if those player development people (ie Logan White) were so adament against trading those players, they would probably be with another organization right now considering it would seem that the GM didn't care for their opinions.

2007-07-03 16:09:57
262.   kngoworld
258

Do you mean to tell me that Anna Kournikova was not the best female tennis player of all time?

2007-07-03 16:11:51
263.   confucius
258 She was until Ana Ivanovic rolled around.
2007-07-03 16:12:04
264.   trainwreck
What about looking at a pitcher to see if they have bad mechanics that might make them prone to injury? Looks certainly matter there.
2007-07-03 16:14:56
265.   natepurcell
This is me just looking at the DSL roster, but there is a player that really sticks out at me that is someone to watch out for down the road. Its 18yr old 6'3 181lb shortstop, Pedro Guerrero.

so far for the season, he is hitting:
77AB 312/386/403 8bb 10k

why i like him from the numbers:
-he plays a middle infield position and his frame suggests growth and power potential down the road
-great contact ability and plate discipline at this level
-high average which shows good bat control at this level

who knows, maybe he comes over next summer and becomes legit.

2007-07-03 16:15:23
266.   Andrew Shimmin
Is it tough to get homeowners insurance when you take in a toddler-biting dog?
2007-07-03 16:16:17
267.   Eric Enders
243 "Betemit, LaRoche, Abreu -- none of them are the answer at third... LaRoche has yet to prove himself."

So LaRoche is not the answer because he has yet to prove himself?

Look, there are 300 or so players in the Hall of Fame. At some point early in each of their careers, they had failed to prove themselves. I'm not saying LaRoche is a Hall of Famer (then again, I'm not saying he isn't), but the reason he hasn't proven himself because he hasn't been given a chance to prove himself. In his one brief major league trial he performed better than any of the other three third basemen we've employed this year -- and was very likely playing hurt.

If our philosophy is that no player should be allowed to play until he's proven himself, well, then no player would ever prove himself. We'd have to rely solely on the known quantities and rejects of the baseball world -- the mediocre Tampa Bay lefthanders, the broken-down old first basemen, the slappy centerfielders. What kind of philosophy is that?

The phrase "he hasn't proven himself" is truly one of the banes of my existence, because it gets thrown around so commonly and so carelessly, and usually by people who you'd hope would know better than that.

"He hasn't proven himself" is why it took longer than it should've for Saito to be made closer, or for Broxton to be made the setup man.

"He hasn't proven himself" is why Matt Kemp was kept in the minors for half the year, to the detriment of the major league team.

"He hasn't proven himself" is why James Loney was sent to the minors to start the year, despite clearly being one of the 25 best major league players in the organization.

"He hasn't proven himself" is why Chad Billingsley was sent to the bullpen so Brett Tomko could start.

"He hasn't proven himself" is why some were worried that we'd called Russell Martin up from Las Vegas too soon.

2007-07-03 16:17:19
268.   Greg Brock
264 But that's not to evaluate performance. That's to evaluate future health concerns. Different kettle of fish.

258 Looks matter a great deal in watching tennis. Also in finding a mate. I'd put it right behind wealth as things I look for in a potential mate. And hip size. Very critical*

*The preceding comment was simply a poor attempt at humor. The views expressed are not real. Women out there, I'm just kidding. I am not a shallow person. Okay, maybe a little bit.

2007-07-03 16:18:40
269.   natepurcell
267

hey eric, in your minor league roundup you forgot to mention Andrew Lambo; my pick to make the back-end of the dodgers top 10!

2007-07-03 16:20:36
270.   Andrew Shimmin
It's not the hip size, so much as the hips to waist ratio. At least, that's what John Cleese told me.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0280262/

2007-07-03 16:22:51
271.   Greg Brock
Eric feels about "He hasn't proven himself" the way I feel about "consistence" in performance. Like we're making BBQ sauce. Consistency? Either you are good or you are not.

Anyway, Eric Enders wins the internet today.

2007-07-03 16:25:21
272.   kngoworld
Nate, I hate to argue with you because I love your contributions to this site, and you clearly know more about the farm system then I, although I firmly believe there is a huge amount of luck when dealing with prospects. Of course talent can be recognized but there is no way to ensure it will hold up in the future. It is like a hand of Texas Hold'em, sure pocket aces (Edwin Jackson, for example) look great pre-flop, but they don't always pan out. Additionally, every once in a while your 7 – 2 off suite can sometimes payoff huge dividends.

All I am trying to say is that I believe Ned has been more on the lucky side that all the prospects he as shipped away have all had disappointing starts to their careers.

2007-07-03 16:25:27
273.   DodgerBakers
Re: Dodgers HoF team.

I can't see a Dodger HOF team without Jackie Robinson on it. Maybe I missed his name on your rosters?

2007-07-03 16:27:41
274.   Eric Stephen
273 It was for LA Dodgers only.
2007-07-03 16:27:59
275.   Andrew Shimmin
273- I think they were restricting it to L.A. Dodgers.
2007-07-03 16:30:12
276.   DodgerBakers
274. and 275. Oh, thanks. For some reason I always think that Jackie played a season or two in LA.
2007-07-03 16:32:10
277.   natepurcell
272

its hard to use the poker analogy because there is no objective opinion on what type of starting hand these prospects are. At one time, they could have been considered pocket rockets or big slick but at the time they were dealt, their flaws were shown and their starting values were greatly diminished. I was one of those people angry when Jackson was traded, with Guzman and Tiffany, not so much. So far though, their performances seemed to have validated Colletti's judgement.

2007-07-03 16:34:05
278.   El Lay Dave
265 Just keep him away from Dade County and O.J.'s lady friends.
2007-07-03 16:36:12
279.   Eric Enders
I was angry when Jackson was traded, not because I thought he would turn out to be great -- that time had passed -- but because (a) Tiffany, who I thought still had potential, was included in the deal, and (b) We got nothing but crap in return.

Same thing with Navarro. He looked like a pretty decent prospect at the time; I wasn't unhappy to get rid of him, just unhappy that he was given away for nothing.

2007-07-03 16:36:47
280.   Woody
In the early 90's my friend Elden and I, who were two of the few Dodger fans in Vermont (we had been going to Dodgers-Expos games in Montreal for years), spent the few extra bucks and stayed at the same hotel (can't remember the name at this point) where the Dodgers stayed in Montreal. After the game, which was probably a loss, considering our track record of about 3 wins out of 15-20 games, we went to the hotel bar to hang out for awhile. Mike Morgan had pitched for the Dodgers that night, and had been doing pretty well until he got hit on the the toe by a line-drive and had to come out of the game. He entered the bar as the team bus was emptying, and we congratulated him on a good performance, and wished him a quick recovery from his seemingly painful injury. Awhile later a couple of seats down at the bar was Mike Sharperson. He was by himself, away from the crowd, and gave us a pleasant greeting, and a toast.

I was really sad to hear of Sharperson's passing years later at such a young age. I'll always think of these guys as Dodgers, and the fun my friend and I had going to those games in weird Olympic Stadium the worst ballpark I've ever been to.

2007-07-03 16:39:05
281.   CajunDodger
277
I think, like our prospects, Colletti needs at least 2-3 years before passing judgment. We are approaching that time, but I want to give him at least two trading deadlines to prove himself.

So far, the results are pretty good. Not great, but pretty good.

2007-07-03 16:41:36
282.   underdog
My only disappointment with beagles (the ones my friends have) so far is that I can never get them to sit atop their doghouses and type novels. That was some false advertising there, Sparky!
2007-07-03 16:42:11
283.   Eric Enders
280 I went to about 13 or 14 Dodger games in Montreal during the Gagne years, and I loved it. (I don't think that was the worst park in baseball, either, not while The Vet was still alive.) The fans were few, but those who actually did show up were loud and raucous and clearly having a very good time.
2007-07-03 16:43:02
284.   underdog
So to sum up, re: Boom (or Bust) Betemit: He's got a great personality?
2007-07-03 16:44:49
285.   Eric Enders
282 My two beagles used to sit on top of the doghouse all the time -- they never sat in it, only on top of it. One of them is a white beagle who looks just like Snoopy, too. But he's 13 now and can't get his tired old bones to climb up there anymore.
2007-07-03 16:44:52
286.   El Lay Dave
279 Jackson and Tiffany were traded for Carter and Baez. Carter was DFAed. Baez and Aybar were traded for Betemit. This was in just over six months time. Summary:

Lost: Jackson, Tiffany, Aybar
Gained: Betemit.

2007-07-03 16:51:18
287.   Jon Weisman
285 - We had two dalmatians who would drag firewood into their doghouse to sleep against.

By the way, in keeping with my dictatorial ways this week, no bad words on dalmatians. There's always someone who wants to knock dalmatians, but I loved ours. Those dogs are victims of stereotyping - thank goodness the original "101 Dalmatians" got it right.

2007-07-03 16:56:32
288.   Greg Brock
I firmly believe that dalmations are the key to the Middle East peace process. And cancer cures.

Best. Dogs. Ever.

2007-07-03 16:58:17
289.   PlayTwo
287: That's because the original was based on real life events.
2007-07-03 16:58:49
290.   underdog
285 That just made me go "Awwwww" despite myself.

Did he wear a flyer's helmet and scarf and curse the Red Baron, too? That would be a neat trick.

I like dalmatians too, they can be really sweet, loyal dogs. Even though my exroommate got a really large sized one when we lived together and the thing needed massive training and exercise, more than my roomie could give it. Used to tear up my college papers, too. But despite that, I still like dalmatians. I also dated a girl who had a mixed breed dog, it was a Sharpei and Dalmatian mix that she called a sharmatian. Quite a nice dog, if odd looking.

When I get a dog it'll probably be a corgi or an akita.

If my cats approve.

2007-07-03 16:59:42
291.   underdog
288 Especially dalmatians who went to Stanford?
2007-07-03 17:01:13
292.   El Lay Dave
291 and laugh at Spalding Gray monologues.
2007-07-03 17:02:33
293.   Woody
283-I was gone from Vermont long before Gagne graced the Dodgers. I would have loved to have seen him pitch there. I can't imagine how exciting that would have been.

I went to many games in Montreal with 30-40,000 in attendance on weekends back in the 80s, but even with sparser weekday crowds, they'd pound on that plastic floor and it seemed like thunder.

I wasn't saying that Olympic Stadium was the worst ballpark, but just the worst I've been to (never went to the Vet), though Tropican Field in St. Pete wasn't anything to brag about either.

I hated Eupie (sp?) that orange mascot they had, and the scoreboard with cheers in French. My buddy was French-Canadian-American, so he translated for me.

2007-07-03 17:03:01
294.   trainwreck
I had a black lab/rottweiler mix. He was big and looked menacing, but was just a big softy.
2007-07-03 17:03:10
295.   underdog
I think my ex-roomie's dalmatian enjoyed Springsteen too (I know the roomie was a fan). Best dog ever!
2007-07-03 17:03:43
296.   El Lay Dave
We had a dalmatian when I was a teen; she was a fine dog, if a bit high-strung. Great looking dogs, but they need to come from a reputable source. Ours came from a private breeder we knew personally; she gave us "Abbie" at eight months when her previous owner, who wasn't prepared for the responsiblity, returned her.
2007-07-03 17:04:40
297.   Hallux Valgus
is anyone taping the U-20 World Cup?
2007-07-03 17:04:48
298.   natepurcell
my housemates and I have a Boxer. He's about 14months now and thinks hes a lap dog even though he weighs 90lbs.
2007-07-03 17:04:59
299.   overkill94
We have a CI sighting in Detroit! Alert the Timmermann!
2007-07-03 17:05:00
300.   CajunDodger
295
Unfortunately, the only two dalmations that I was around made me want to commit cruelty to animlas. Both were very Cujo-esque.
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2007-07-03 17:06:01
301.   underdog
Bonds just hit #751.
4 more to go.

I really hope he doesn't break the record vs. the Dodgers.

2007-07-03 17:06:52
302.   Marty
My sister has Rhodesian Ridgebacks. Beautiful, friendly dogs, but maybe the laziest dogs I've ever seen.
2007-07-03 17:07:34
303.   underdog
297 What channel is it on, Hallux?
I'm home now for a bit...
2007-07-03 17:07:56
304.   Hallux Valgus
302 I'm often described in the exact same way.
2007-07-03 17:08:50
305.   Hallux Valgus
303 ESPNU. The match is over now (I'm watching TiVo). The replay's at 7:00. One ofth best goals I've ever seen.
2007-07-03 17:09:16
306.   Hallux Valgus
"of the"

stupid wireless.

2007-07-03 17:10:15
307.   Eric Stephen
During the Red Sox - Devil Rays game, the Red Sox announcers were talking about Tampa Bay's historical pitching woes. Dan Orsillo then mentioned "Mark Hendrickson, now in the bullpen for the Dodgers...the Devil Rays have had a lot of pitchers that have started for them and went on to become good relievers elsewhere."
2007-07-03 17:10:19
308.   Jon Weisman
New post up top.
2007-07-03 17:10:42
309.   underdog
Sadly, I discovered this week that ESPNU is one of the few channels I don't get :-( (My landlord pays for cable and got the extreme 600 channel package, but apparently missed a few.) Oh well. Who scored?
2007-07-03 17:16:44
310.   Hallux Valgus
309 Danny Szetela, from 10 yards, on a header. Service came from the right side, Szetela in the middle. He was facing the sideline and flicked his head to the left, knocking the ball into the very top left corner. Unstoppable. As a former center back who scored exclusively in the air on set pieces, I couldn't make that shot in my dreams. I'd be dreaming, and I'd go up, and my dream self would look at me and say, "what are you, kidding?"

And just now- Adu bent it like Beckham. Another ridiculous goal. This is a great game. Very up and down the pitch. 2-1 US

2007-07-03 17:19:54
311.   PDH5204
266 Your ability to get homeowner's insurance is the least of your problems. Your big problem now is, well, there's this thing that I call the "first bite free rule", but that won't apply to you and yours, since you've now went on record telling the world that your dog is dangerous to our common humanity. So whether you have insurance or not, you've set yourself up for the slam dunk on the liability phase of the personal injury lawsuit brought by the dog-bitten human. All that's left will be the damages phase, and I hope that you come off as sympathetic, or else you'll really be in trouble...

Lastly, for the rest, for the stated reason, never harbor a breed of dog known for the propensity to bite, as there are two ways around the first bite free rule, the just stated premise of prior knowledge of the dangerous propensity, even though the particular breed isn't known for its viciousness, and then there's selecting a breed of dog that anyone caring about their fellow humans would never choose to harbor [aka the choice of the vicious breed].

2007-07-03 17:21:23
312.   Dodger Jack
267. LaRoche hasn't proven himself at the AAA level. If he isn't hitting for average or smacking dingers at LV, he isn't ready to help the Dodgers either.

Yeah, I know, Loney wasn't hitting at LV this year either. However, he did hit .390 last year at LV.

Lots of hype on LaRoche. That's fine. But it would be nice to see him perform -- at AAA. Those prospect ranking lists are great entertainment over the winter, but at some point the guy has to hit.

Blake DeWitt falls into the same category. He hasn't proven he can hit AAA because he hasn't played AAA. He is clearly not ready to help the Dodgers.

My recollection is that all of the players you mentioned excelled at the AAA level. They proved themselves ready for MLB. LaRoche isn't here yet and may not ever get there. But I would be very pleased if he did.

2007-07-03 17:35:53
313.   Eric Enders
312 LaRoche batted .322/.400/.550 in AAA last year.
2007-07-03 17:39:55
314.   Andrew Shimmin
LaRoche, over 202 ABs last year in AAA:.322/.400/.550 10HR

He's been hurt and is having a down year. Both of those things are true. But he has produced in AAA, as he has at every other level.

2007-07-03 17:40:28
315.   Andrew Shimmin
Rats. Even dead threading I'm too slow.
2007-07-03 18:30:49
316.   MC Safety
on the dog topic, a good friend just got a french bulldog, and i am in love. one of the coolest little dogs ive come in contact with. he doesnt seem to have an overabundance of energy which is key for me. growing up with parents who loved the grateful dead i had a few really cool australian shepherds. they are by far the best frisbee dogs.
2007-07-03 18:35:11
317.   MC Safety
btw the rockies are absolutely pummeling the metropolitans right now 10-3 in the bottom of the 4th.
2007-07-18 17:05:14
318.   Eric Enders
317 I thought the Mets were playing the Padres tonight.
2007-07-18 17:06:46
319.   Eric Enders
Uh, wrong thread. Waaaay wrong.

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