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Three different blogs quote KNBR's Giants postgame show as saying that the Dodgers have acquired San Francisco pinch-hitter Mark Sweeney going to the Dodgers for a player to be named later - probably an unchoice prospsect.
Update: The Dodgers have confirmed the trade.
Sweeney is a left-handed pinch-hitter - he has more career pinch hits than Manny Mota, in fact - whose acquisition would mirror last year's pickup of Marlon Anderson (if only it goes that well).
Some have speculated this would mean the end of Olmedo Saenz in Los Angeles, but I doubt the Dodgers would cut bait on a player with three weeks until rosters expand to make room for another guy with the opposite platoon advantage. Sweeney has an .805 OPS against righties this year. More likely, the Dodgers would temporarily option Delwyn Young or a 12th pitcher to AAA.
This is the first trade between the Dodgers and Giants since Candy Maldonado for Alex Trevino in December 1985.
Update 2: Uh oh, looks like the Dodgers have gotten impatient with James Loney.
"Mark provides us with another experienced bat off the bench and from time to time he may be called on in a starting role," Dodger general manager Ned Colletti said. "He has tremendous makeup and will bring a lot to this club."
All I knows is I acquired Charlie Steiner's AND Ned Colletti's autographs on the same ball after last Friday's loss to the D-backs. And the team has finally won one in a row again.
Can we trade them Candy Maldonado again?
When was Nomar's last turn at firstbase though? I swear, that double-switch today just didn't sit right. I wonder if Nomar is no longer a "first baseman".
Since it's MARK Sweeney and he's lefthanded, I'm guess he's not playing catcher.
If it were MIKE Sweeney, you'd be in business.
It's too bad he doesn't embrace more of a utility-type role, because that's the only way we could get any benefit from having him on the team next year.
Just saw Jason Werth playing some credable RF for the Phillies. Good luck guy.
July 6th was his last start at first.
1. Houlton
2. Young
3. Hernandez
Houlton and Young can be optioned back to Vegas, I guess they could ask Hernandez if he would to Vegas until September 1st but I don't know if he has to go.
I am going to say choice 1, Houlton.
According to Dodgers GM Ned Colletti, the new letters will immediately take on a role in bench player, um, Mike Sweeney's first name.
Lyle Lanley: Well, sir, there's nothing on earth
Like a genuine,
Bona fide,
Electrified,
Six-car
Monorail!
What'd I say?
Ned Flanders: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
Patty+Selma: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: That's right! Monorail!
Miss Hoover: I hear those things are awfully loud...
Lyle Lanley: It glides as softly as a cloud.
Apu: Is there a chance the track could bend?
Lyle Lanley: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.
Barney: What about us brain-dead slobs?
Lyle Lanley: You'll be given cushy jobs.
Abe: Were you sent here by the devil?
Lyle Lanley: No, good sir, I'm on the level.
Wiggum: The ring came off my pudding can.
Lyle Lanley: Take my pen knife, my good man.
I swear it's Springfield's only choice...
Throw up your hands and raise your voice!
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: What's it called?
All: Monorail!
Lyle Lanley: Once again...
All: Monorail!
Marge: But Main Street's still all cracked and broken...
Bart: Sorry, Mom, the mob has spoken!
All: Monorail!
Monorail!
Monorail!
Monoraaaaaail!
Homer: Mono... D'oh!
2007 Anderson - Sweeney
Age: 33 - 37
Avg: .237 - .247
Well, that or 29
1. The teams can work out a trade within (48 or 70, I forgot which) hours. If they do not, the player is pulled off waivers.
2. The team can pull the player off waivers, making him unavailable, if they do, he can not be placed on waivers again until the end of the season.
3. The team can straight up give the player and the remander of his contract to the claiming team.
If a player passes through waivers with no claims, he can then be traded with no restrictions until August 31st.
He's left handed! But actually his nos. in the early 2000's (presumably his peak) aren't that bad. Why was he never a regular player? For at least ten years he seemed to get 100-300 at bats a year
eh.
I think just for fun the Dodgers should also activate Manny Mota so he and Sweeney could have a little PH competition. Oh, and I suppose Lenny Harris, too. Hey, if Julio Franco can still be on someone's roster, why not?
"The Dodgers originally selected Sweeney in the 39th round of the June 1990 First-Year Player Draft out of Maine, but he returned for his senior season and was drafted by the Angels the following year."
62 Or to the Rangers.
Remember last year when Elbert got called up to Jacksonville, he also started giving up home runs like they were going out of style.
isotope
crusty/krusty
...?
I also feel really strongly about monorails and there being shrugged off in LA and OC.
Not that this was much of a trade, but for those who have posted here that trades between the Giants and the Dodgers would never happen, enjoy the crow.
Don't oversell it Ned - he's a 37-year old bench guy that can occasionally play 1B or corner OF. As long as the PTBNL is a minor-league non-prospect....
http://tinyurl.com/2b4xg5
Or a starting centerfielder....
In this case, trading for APTBNL from the worst team in the division by the next-worst (Dodgers) means no restrictions on either side.
I was thinking someone should have asked Ned in the chat if any other teams had contacted him about Pierre.
The players have to pass through waivers after July 31st for ANY trade regardless of the two teams and whatever leagues or divisions they were in.
Sweeney's name was put on waivers and each team had a chance to put in a claim.
Nobody claimed him, all 29 teams passed on him.
So now he could be traded.
And a hot plate!
1) All teams in the same league as the player's current team, in order from worst record to best.
2) All teams in the other league, in order from worst record to best.
I was merely mentioning our division rivals because they are the teams most likely to want to block a player we are trying to acquire, and they didn't get the chance to do so.
I'm 99% certain the Dodgers would have put Pierre on the waiver wire. That's fairly standard practice for teams to gauge interest in any player on the team.
The way regfairfield describes it in 44 is the way I have always understood it to work. I didn't think a player had to pass through all 29 teams in order to be traded -- just far enough down the list for the team he's being traded to to claim him.
Ps I was at the game with TC when the trade (DFA?) went thrue so I don't know the details.
Thanks go out to Pierre batting 7th, the Dodgers scoring (5 times!), extra innings, and a trade
See also: Betemit, Wilson
He pronounces it like Walt Weiss-man.
At least that's how I understand it.
The Anderson DFA and the Sweeney trade have to be evaluated on their merits AT THE TIME. And at the time Anderson was DFAed, there was really no other choice. We were desperate for more offense in the everyday lineup, and the only way to get it was to call up two guys from AAA. Which worked out quite nicely, I might add.
But the Dodgers's CFers have the most stolen bases, most sacrifice hits, and fewest strikeouts...!
yup, I read.
At least in the short term, yes.
Withered.
http://tinyurl.com/2v7jfs
"This was a big team win [sports cliche #1]," said Proctor, obtained last week from the Yankees for games like this one. "We executed a lot on offense [#2] today and that's the key [#3], just don't try to do too much [#4]. Our big guys have not been playing the way they're capable of [#5], but that's baseball [#6]."
LOL
The Padres offense being unable to score off of Joel Pineiro is disturbing.
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ok, I really hope......
I see you are not a sentimental type.
Well, what a coininsidence they play the Dodgers next... so..... 3 or 4 over the weekend sounds about right before the 0 for 25
http://www.truebluela.com/story/2007/8/9/18136/24243#commenttop
Apparently, your knowledge of baseball does not go back far.
https://griddle.baseballtoaster.com/archives/758871.html
The first link in that post will explain it to you.
sorry Bob, yours is nice too....
Don't worry about it. It's gpellamjr who only cares about history if it's written in Latin or Greek! ;-)
All you need to do is read the boxscore and play-by-play of this game:
http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2000/B10030SLN2000.htm
He threw nine wild pitches.
Al Hrabosky, on the other hand, is extremely cautious and thinks that no one should expect much.
http://www.unknownhighway.com/comments.php?id=6256_0_1_0_C
You are her white knight in shining armor on the hill in morning in America.
(reference to amusing SNL ad parody)
Any word on what roster move the Dodgers are making for Sweeney? I'm assuming they're telling whoever it is privately tonight and won't announce 'til tomorrow...
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/
awesome.
1) Houlton sent down
2) Hernandez sent down if he agrees or DFAd
3) Young sent down (alas)
4) Saenz DFAd
5) Mike Lieberthal, since he never plays anyway.
Matt Morris takes on Russ Ortiz!
Let's hope Mark gives Juan a key to Mark's locker. And maybe Loney too.
Anyway, the past 800 comments (particulary the past 183) have definitely helped with stress relief.
That's an improvement over yesterday, when we were 9th.
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Here's a stat for you guys: according to CBS' the Power of Ten, 32% of women in America consider themselves feminists. Why is that important you may ask? It isn't.......that's the point. Lame playoff projections are just that...lame. We are one hot streak away from reclaiming the division. The way the NL is playing as a whole, you could throw out any playoff projection stat for any team and it will always be inaccurate. So why bother? My prediction for us making the playoffs...........100% chance. That's called faith in my team. Maybe it's naive but I've had faith in this team all along and I'm not about to let a few bad weeks and a few jaded and biased sportswriters/webmasters make up my mind for me. Sorry if this comes off as negative, I don't mean it that way at all, I know we all want the same thing.
They must be waiting for the corresponding roster move
We have 2 teams to pass so we can't count on both of them going cold. We need to start winning every series and sweep one or two.
We all want the same thing but unless we start winning games it isn't going to happen. Now is when it gets fun.
Hmmm. You refer to "biased sportswriters/webmasters", but then you also make it pretty clear that your allegiance to the Dodgers leads you to believe they will make the playoffs regardless of circumstance.
Isn't allowing "what you want" to influence "what you expect to happen" a pretty good indicator of bias...?
2006:
July 13-26 - 1 win, 13 losses
July 27-Aug. 15 - 17 wins, 1 loss
2007:
July 19-Aug. 8 - 4 wins, 14 losses
Aug. 9-??? - 1 win, 0 losses so far...
We are the 10th ML team he has played for. He has appeared in 996 games. In all those games he has 2 plate appearances. A single and a K. He is batting .500. Anybody who can play ML baseball at age 42 has my admiration.
They've put up a fight every step of the way, but I should have the money next week. No more stress. My life will be perfect!
In 1998, the Dodgers traded Jim Bruske to the Padres for Widd Workman.
Bruske had told off Tommy Lasorda in the locker room and Lasorda thought a trip to San Diego was punishment. Of course, the Padres won the pennant.
Bruske was subsequently sold to the Yankees later that year.
I'm sure he enjoyed the bonus checks.
Okay, I'm going to be mostly away from the 'net for the next coupla days. Will try to find the Dodgers score on a radio as I sit on Tomales bay, but they'll be in my (Dodger) thoughts. Buena suerte to them.
It was a bit strange, though, to see my neighborhood of some 46 years being eaten one house at a time :)
Stupid Fifth Amendment! What did it ever do for me?
"Mike Jacobs (1B) FLA 8/10/2007
Jacobs' ninth inning single on Thursday ended his 33 at-bat hitless streak. That sets a new Marlins record, previously held by Brad Penny."
This year: .295/.326/.386
Roids? I think so.
2006: .245
2007: .394
That's what stats are for: to ruin the game.
Does he sell Mary Kay on the side?
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Otherwise, all hitters are the same, except for HRs and Ks, no?
Did Tony Gwynn just get lucky his entire career?
http://tinyurl.com/3x89hy
Check www.fangraphs.com
How's life in NC D4?
He's certainly looked terrible doing it. It's frustrating to watch, certainly.
Is Taveras really 28-for-36 (.778 batting average) on bunt hits? Or does that include sacrifices? If he can get on at a nearly .800 clip that way, I'm surprised that he has ONLY 36 attempts.
This assumes that the line drive percentage is sustainable. I take it that's generally true...?
The Dodgers are so anti-sabermetrics that these quotes make it seem that as long as Colletti is making decisions, and as long as he continues to use his "evaluation" processes--->its a hopeless situation.
The Dodgers lone hope is for the budget to be so great that it makes up for bad baseball decisions.
Apparently Home Depot was having a sale on broad brushes.
Pretty good these days (the recent heat wave excepted). Mrs. D4P started a new job a few months ago and is much happier, though still being worked like a dog for not much money. I'll be finishing this year, and hopefully starting a real job next year at this time.
How's Scan Jr. doing...?
I hope Delwyn gets to stay with the big club and at least get a few at-bats this weekend to see if he can build on his game yesterday.
I don't see us going with 11 pitchers indefinetly without an off day next week, but we could do that for a few days and see if things go well for the starters going deeper into games. That would have Houlton or Hernandez on the bubble along with Delwyn.
I just hope that Lowe isn't headed to the DL...
Other than luck, is there anything that could reasonably explain Penny's jump in LD% from 16.3% to 33.3% from 2006 to 2007...?
We need more on-base percentage at the top," Little said. "It's a pure numbers thing there. To get people to score runs, you have to get people on. We need a little more on-base percentage from this man [Pierre]. Look at [Cincinnati's] lineup. They have a first baseman, Scott Hatteberg, leading off. You wonder what's the reason? Just look at the stat sheet. He has a .400 on-base percentage or better."
Little said he told Pierre of the move after Wednesday night's game and that Pierre wasn't looking forward to it because he had rarely done it in his career.
"But I'm not doing this," Little said. "I'm writing it down, but the numbers dictate this. What I go by is the bottom line. Early in the season, it was hard to judge by the amount of at-bats. Now there are a lot of numbers to judge by. Maybe this will help Juan get it going."
I have to make a vow to not criticize Grady anymore. Looks like he either "gets it", or really wants to be the next Oakland A's manager. Of course, working with the Red Sox may have taught him alot of things too.
In other words, Pitcher A has to face the Tony Gwynns, Ryan Howards, Juan Pierres, as does Pitcher B, so they wash. But to say that Gwynn, Howard, Ted Williams, Juan Pierre should all have the same or similar batting average excepting HRs and Ks, sounds odd to me.
226 - after refresh, this makes some sense now. I'm guessing Tony Gwynn had a high line drive %?
Scanbabies are good. My 7 month old son is going to catch are 2 year old daughter in weight here soon. She's petite, though, so there's no concern.
239 Small sample size pretty much. He does look much better at the plate than he did a couple years ago, so he probably put some work in. Still, a 33% LD percentage is unsustainable, no matter who you are.
Sounds like he takes after his dad...
Pierre, the only Dodger to play in every game, said he was disappointed with the move but understood why it was made.
"It's frustrating," he said. "If I was batting .330 and had an on-base percentage of .400 I'd be at the top of the lineup. So ultimately it's my bad. It's my fault that I'm down there.
"It's crunch time and patience is running thin around here. Guess I'm the first glimpse of it."
If Juan Pierre were batting .330, he'd have an on-base percentage of .349
Oops: I was looking at OBP and SLG. MLB.com confuses me by listing OBP, SLG, and BA in that order rather than the more familiar BA, OBP, and SLG.
1000 comments?
Looks like that was the game Choi ran into Rolen.
That was not the seminal event I was looking for. This was far more DT-oriented.
DODGERS 6TH: NUNEZ REPLACED ROLEN (PLAYING 3B); due to an injured neck/shoulder; Kent homered;
Bradley singled to left;
JARVIS REPLACED MORRIS (PITCHING); Ledee was hit by a pitch
[Bradley to second]; Phillips lined to right; Robles lined to
left; GRABOWSKI BATTED FOR ALVAREZ; Grabowski walked [Bradley to
third, Ledee to second]; Izturis singled to center [Bradley
scored, Ledee scored, Grabowski to second]; Choi homered
[Grabowski scored, Izturis scored]; Drew grounded out (first to
pitcher); 6 R, 4 H, 0 E, 0 LOB. Dodgers 9, Cardinals 7.
I miss Steve.
When was The Grabowski Principle first invoked...?
So I gathered from 264 . May 05 was before my time.
The Boys gave him the beat, and freed his soul, after which he got lost in their rock n' roll and, well, you apparently know the rest...
In all seriousness, I don't know why he left.
Like Dobie Gray, Steve has just drifted away.
You're too young to know that song.
The Cardinals still have from that game:
David Eckstein
Jim Edmonds
Albert Pujols
Scott Rolen
It's one of those songs that radio stations continued playing after the year of its release.
...a billion times daily.
And yet, I still don't even know who sings it...
Me neither.
We really owe the Cardinals a beat down. Now that they have thrown their aces(Wells and Pineiro) at the Padres we get the soft underbelly of the rotation. Oh, wait that was the soft underbelly.
http://www.dobiegray.com/
The Cardinals rotation is pretty much all soft underbellies.
The bullpen is OK.
At times.
People in St. Louis still think the team can contend. But there was no honeymoon for the team for winning the World Series. Sports radio there is full of people who HATE what Jocketty and La Russa have done this year.
I was gonna look up Dobie Gray on The Google as per 272 , but decided not to. I guess I scooped you.
When was the last time Rod Steward actually sang an original song? I heard him singing John Waite's "Missin' You" on the radio at the store the other day. That guy is shameless.
Do you celebrate his entire catalog...?
Sad, I wonder what % of people even know what happened at Kent State and why.
I was taught about the Sunset Strip riots in Catholic School.
In 9th grade!
And the song's title is "For What it's Worth."
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The Kent State killings happened on my father's birthday. I think I remember them from the day it happened. And I was four.
http://tinyurl.com/2haod4
I graduated from Illinois State and a group took a road trip to Kent State for a memorial service in 1988. There wasn't anything on that campus to recognize what took place there.
A survivor who had been shot spoke at the site he was hit with a bullet. At that time he said collections were being taken to put up a memorial of some sort. Not sure if it ever got done.
There was able 150 people at the little demonstration and I remember getting laughed at by guys who came out of the gym/work out area. They thought it was all funny to see hippie type people there.
Our college campuses are strangely silent with the current "war". Seems apathy isn't limited to those over 30 anyone.
Kent State happened in 1970. "For What It's Worth" was released in 1967.
299 Syd Barrett singing "King Bee" is the best song cover ever, well worth listening to, and I'm a Roger Waters guy.
299 - There are plenty of cool covers out there. A good cover also helps you discover a hit song that may have fallen out of the mainstream. Of course, I'm not a regular music buyer.
Here's the lineup from ItD:
Furcal, SS
Martin, C
Loney, 1B
Kent, 2B
Gonzo, LF
Nomar, 3B
Pierre, CF
Ethier, RF
Penny, P
Who do you guys think is the best baseball player in the game today?
maybe the same question, maybe not...
If you had to pick one player to start a team with tommorrow who would that be?
And for a long time, singing different versions of a song wasn't considered a "cover" because no one knew about the versions that didn't become hits. Those versions weren't all that accessible.
Alex Rodriguez
and Jose Reyes.
Who should bat leadoff?
Rafael Furcal
Russell Martin
Juan Pierre
Another song that everybody recognizes but few actually know the name of is "Baba O'Riley" by The Who.
Never heard of the Sunset Riots. Listening to the lyics I just assumed it was about all of the unrest at the time and not a specific thing. Since it was put out by Buffalo Springfield I should have known it was before the Kent State murders.
I wish Delwyn got another shot today. Perhaps his calves are still cramped up a bit. Or it's time to find out if LuGo can get out of his funk.
Not knowing the true name of "Baba O'Riley" was unforgivable in my high school. (I exaggerate for effect.)
"He's had a recurring problem with his back," Bundy said. "We need to find out what it is."
LaRoche is batting .306 with 16 homers and 43 RBIs in 65 games with Las Vegas. <<
http://www.lvrj.com/sports/9083361.html
Weren't in HS a decade or two after after Baba was released in 71.
He sang several James Taylor songs for coins.
You could also buy a CD of his work -- in which he sang James Taylor songs like James Taylor -- for $10.
You could purchase "James Taylor's Greatest Hits" for less.
RIP Tony Wilson, founder of Factory Records and the Hacienda nightclub.
He's been spending the summer in the North Woods League in Duluth, Minnesota.
2-3 2.08 8 games, 7 starts, 34.2 IP, 26 hits, 8 ER, 1 HR, 5 HBP, 13 BB, 44 K, 3 WP, .217 BAA.
Competition is mostly players getting ready to start college ball, they use wood bats and play at night.
If there is something there, it's probably going to take McCourt stepping in at some point and telling Ned he has to do business with Boras. He'll start to wonder why the Dodgers aren't in on a lot of the available quality players and have to tell Ned to swallow his pride.
w/ regard to "cover" songs of the previous discussion. Otis Redding wrote and recorded the greatest feminism track ever- Respect, later recorded by Aretha Franklin.
I also like Social Distortion's version of the Man in Black's "Ring of Fire".
I think a young guy who should be put in there with the Sizemore's and Reyes's of the world is Carl Crawford...(obviously for me, giving the nod to the SS spot)
In my book those are bragging rights in Neds favor {323 }
I don't doubt that Ned doesn't like dealing with Boras. That being said, Boras clients probably didn't fit in well with Sabean's "Surround Bonds With (Mediocre) Veterans So We Can Win A World Series" gambit.
Do not overlook Matt Holiday. There are better defensive players and guys who have done it for more than a year or two, but he has to be one of the top ten in baseball if you were builiding a team.
Third place does not come with bragging rights.
"Red, Red Wine" originally by Neil Diamond, made famous by UB40
"Hard to Handle" originally by Otis Redding, made famous by the Black Crowes
I love both versions of "Red, Red Wine" but I think the cover of "Hard to Handle" is much better than the original.
I was surprised to learn that No Doubt's "It's My Life" was a cover. I also recently found out (I shouldn't have been surprised) that Rod Stewart's "Downtown Train" was a cover.
Jeeze and that Atkins fellow isn't to bad either
how soon do we forget wern't we in 1st place for a good chunk of the season? plus there's still plenty of baseball left, sure Neds made some bonehead moves but most GM's go threw growing pains don't they.
(I know all covers are better of Dylan songs, he can't sing, yada yada, I get it-a pre-emptive I agree to disagree.)
My more obscure vote goes to Jane's Addiction with their back to back... Rock & Roll and Sympathy for the Devil off their first EP
Career
Home - 1078 OPS
Away - 767
2007
Home - 1156
Away - 833
You be the judge.
In fact, what I love most about Otis (an Otis is my favorite singer ever, along with Bill Withers), is his live, raw energy. It kills me, and all I've ever experienced is recordings.
Holiday and Hawpe are players to really watch. Not on the Pujols/Cabrera level yet, so I agree that I'd go with some others first. With the ARods out there, I can see putting Holiday in the top 15. Still quite a compliment I would think.
Brandan Phillips was impressive this week. Was he really a bad egg in Cleveland? He doesn't seem to be having the Milton Bradley issues in Cincy.
I'll second my nomination for "Istanbul, Not Constantinople".
If you were into alternative music in the 80s and early 90s, you would have known "It's My Life". In fact, we used to call it college or progressive music back in the day.
Obscure cover that is great: Elvis Costello's "Indoor Fireworks". Anyone know who wrote it and sang it first? Hint: He produced a few Elvis LPs. Decent career on his own, but not on the E Costello level.
Yeah. I've noticed that. I only recently discovered Waits's "Jersey Girl" (which I really like) and didn't find out until later that it had been famously covered by The Boss. Norah Jones has a cover of "Long Way Home", which I also like.
I only know this as a "They Might be Giants" song. Who else sang a version?
Yes, whenever D4P says he doesn't like covers we have this thread about why he's wrong.
That didn't go over so well.
356 Just to clarify, I have no problem with Cover Song Thoughts. As I said in the last thread, my favorite is still "Pour Some Sugar On Me," by Stone Temple Pilots.
Some others that are outstanding:
Elvis, "Hound Dog"
The Other Elvis, "Peace Love and Understanding"
Patsy Cline, "Crazy"
Patti Smith, "Because the Night"
Rage Against the Machine, "Maggie's Farm" and "Ghost of Tom Joad"
Johnny Cash, "Hurt"
Johnny Cash, "Sunday Morning Coming Down"
Janis Joplin, "Me and Bobby McGee"
Willie Nelson, "Pancho and Lefty"
Aretha Franklin, "Respect" and "You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman"
Santana, "Oye Como Va"
Jenny Lewis w/ Bright Eyes & M. Ward, "Handle With Care"
Uncle Tupelo, "Moonshiner"
35 Eric, I can't agree more. One listen to anything on Blood on the Tracks should shut people up. We seem to be on the same musical page.
(I have the Wilco show coming up soon, I can't wait)
Obviously D4P is not a child of the 80s if he doesn't know about "Talk Talk".
Substance, by New Order, is one of the best albums of the 80s. I saw them perform with Echo and the Bunnymen when the toured in 1987.
I guess I'm a peasant when it comes to knowledge about musical orgins. I didn't know that "Hound Dog" and E Costello's "Peace" and Joplin "Me and Bobby" were covers.
I always thought "Respect" was Aretha's too.
I have been schooled.
BTW, the whole baseball thing, is San Diego really expecting a quality start from Ledezma? Can he really be an improvement over Bubba? Let their meltdown begin!
I didn't start listening to "rock" until around 1986-7.
Then Janis covered it and reversed the sexes and it became a huge hit.
Here's my point:
Cash - Hurt
Definitely a cover. NIN wrote and recorded and then he recorded a different version.
Cash - Sunday Morning Coming Down
Not a cover. Kris wrote it for Cash to sing and delivered it via helicopter to him personally. It's a Cash song, he just didn't write it.
Great point, which is why I find the whole cover complaint bizarre. It is good for singers or bands to take a song and interpret it their own way.
Tones on Tail - GO!
The Cult - She sells Sactuary
AH-HA (SP) - Take On Me
OMD - Electricity
ps I can go on & on.
NPUT
Believe it, based on the date I was living in Germany at the time. We lived a protected life on the base, and the only things that concerned me was playing baseball, reading about baseball, and roller skating.
My happy years all came to an end in 1968 when we came home to a very unhappy country and I ended up going to school in a very segrated area of town after having left all my friends in Germany who happened to be black. The racist policies of Alexandria, Virginia were appalling for a 10 year old but that story has been told before.
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