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$10,000,000 Derek Lowe
$9,500,000 Brad Penny
$7,000,000 Esteban Loaiza
*$500,000 Chad Billingsley
Total: $39,300,000

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$1,925,000 Joe Beimel
$1,125,000 Scott Proctor
*$500,000 Jonathan Broxton
$500,000 Chan Ho Park
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$500,000 Russell Martin
*$400,000 James Loney
*$400,000 Matt Kemp
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$600,000 Mark Sweeney
$424,500 Andre Ethier
$391,000 Delwyn Young
$390,000 Chin-Lung Hu
$390,000 Blake DeWitt
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*$400,000 Tony Abreu
*$390,000 Andy LaRoche
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$750,000 Odalis Perez
$540,000 Yhency Brazoban
$500,000 Randy Wolf
$487,500 Jason Repko
$135,225 Rudy Seanez
$100,000 Mike Lieberthal
$50,000 Ramon Martinez
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2007-08-12 17:40
by Jon Weisman

Well. How did we get here?

Too many of the talented players on this 2007 Dodger team got hurt, and too many slumped - whether by means unlucky or deserved. (Follow that link - it will blow your mind.) In the end, that meant there weren't enough talented players to avoid falling to the bottom of the wild card race.

Now what?

Catcher: For all the complaining about Russell Martin playing too much, even in July he posted an .858 OPS. Like almost every other Dodger, he is struggling in August (.635), but as much as people have a hard time believing it, there's nothing to indicate that the Dodgers would have more victories in 2007 if Martin had rested more in the first four months. Even conceding he might be a bit stronger now (though we don't know that it's true), the extra value he'd have would be negated by the extra playing time given to Mike Lieberthal, who has one extra-base hit in 62 plate appearances this season.

Ultimately, the lesson may just be that if a catcher is your team's MVP, your team needs help.

Remainder of 2007: When rosters expand in September, the Dodgers will carry three catchers (Chad Moeller appears to have been acquired from the Cincinnati organization for that purpose) and have more flexibility to use Lieberthal as a pinch-hitter. If the Dodgers fall out of contention, Martin will get some days off.

2008: Martin will finally reach the ripe old age of 25. The future is bright. Hopefully, he'll have a stronger supporting cast.

First base: The Dodgers made a strong statement of faith in James Loney by not trading for Mark Texeira of the Rangers. Loney has up and down stretches, but the aggregate product (125 career OPS+) is all that Dodger fans could have hoped for in 2007. Little's elevation of Loney to the No. 3 slot in the batting order, when Loney's most recent statistics might have argued against it, reflects the confidence the organization has in him.

Remainder of 2007: Pennant-race panic might put Loney on the bench from time to time, and there's always the possibility he'll have a disappearing September like Andre Ethier had last year. But for the most part, the Dodgers appear to have decided that the future at first base has arrived.

2008: Again, Ethier provides a cautionary tale with how his sophomore season began, but expect Loney to be entrenched as the starter.

Second base: While Jeff Kent has never been an ideal cleanup hitter for this team, and while his range at second base is about the size of an Easy Bake Oven, Kent's continued offensive strength at the position is hardly something the team should spit at.

Remainder of 2007: Kent needs 134 more plate appearances for his $9 million 2008 option to automatically vest. Barring a serious injury, that will happen.

2008: Assuming Kent doesn't retire this year, 2008 will be his last season. What would be lovely would be for the Dodgers to reduce their reliance on Kent by being able to drop him to the No. 6 spot in the batting order and being able to rest him on a weekly basis. They have a perfect opportunity to break in a new infielder without pressuring him, the way they have broken in players like Ethier and Loney. (Why, by the way, are people so confident that Tony Abreu is faking an injury? Why can't he just be hurt? Why couldn't he have been faking being healthy (like others have done) before he was optioned? Are the Dodgers so reliable in knowing exactly what's going on with their players' bodies?)

Shortstop: We'll never know what might have been had Rafael Furcal not collided with Jason Repko in Spring Training. What has happened, so far anyway, is arguably the worst full season offensively of Furcal's major-league career - an 85 OPS+ - though he still mixes in outstanding defensive plays with his errors.

Remainder of 2007: Chin-Lung Hu, the highly touted defensiveman who has come on to have an .893 OPS in AA and AAA combined this season, should get to be Furcal's caddy in September.

2008: Furcal will be 30 in the final year of his Dodger contract and looking to come back strong. Hu should begin the season further honing his skills in Las Vegas.

Third base: The thing I can't quite figure out is how Nomar Garciaparra is still batting .281. Forget the fact that his on-base and slugging percentages aren't much higher - he just rarely seems to do more than a 1 for 4.

I have to think that Ned Colletti felt victimized that Andy LaRoche got hurt just when he looked ready to be promoted for good. Colletti had to be counting on LaRoche after trading Wilson Betemit. I don't believe there's any way Colletti wanted Ramon Martinez to be starting as many games as he has the past two weeks.

Remainder of 2007: Just waiting for LaRoche to get well. Otherwise, it's praying for Garciaparra to have something left. Garciaparra has a .844 OPS the past 28 days, including .422 over the past seven.

2008: LaRoche should be ready to assume this position, but a) he has been injured three times in the past two seasons and b) by federal decree, Dodger rookies don't get to start in April. No one will have high expectations for Garciaparra, but short of an Alex Rodriguez pursuit by the Dodgers, the incumbent will probably get the Opening Day call, with LaRoche poised to take over after May Day.

Left field: Luis Gonzalez, who turns 40 on September 3, has killed the Dodgers since the All-Star Break (.501 OPS).

Remainder of 2007: The Dodgers will hope for some September veteran miracles from Gonzalez, but also will mix younger players like Delwyn Young into the lineup (along with Ethier, when Matt Kemp is in right).

2008: As much as Gonzalez hurt the Dodgers this summer, he has done them a huge favor as far as the future. It was one thing for Colletti to ignore the younger Garciaparra's second-half struggles in 2006; it will be impossible to ignore Gonzalez's. If Gonzalez wants to have a role in baseball greater than Mark Sweeney's, it will probably be as a designated hitter. Now that he has proven himself, Ethier should be the full-timer, with Young backing him up.

Center field: Juan Pierre's 30th birthday is Tuesday. He's looking like an old 30 to me. While Pierre has hardly been the worst player on the Dodgers during their recent struggles, this season reinforced the fact that he is not good, and will not be good.

Remainder of 2007: The fact that Kemp and Gonzalez have tailed off means that no matter how dissatisfied Little has become with Pierre, Little lacks that final impetus to bench Pierre and end his consectutive game streak. Only extreme performances by all three of those mentioned will change that.

2008: Yes, the Dodgers could form a starting outfield without Pierre, but it won't happen.

Right field: At age 25, Ethier has a 113 OPS+. Kemp, though again struggling with strike zone judgment (though several Dodger Thoughts commenters argue that no player gets rougher treatment from the umpires), is at 117. Kemp turns 23 on September 23.

Remainder of 2007: Ethier will get the majority of the playing time.

2008: The Dodgers need to commit to Kemp as an everyday player, through thick and thin, because of the ongoing potential of the thick. Having hung onto him through two trading summers, Colletti and Little will do this, I suspect.

April 2008 lineup:

Furcal, SS
Martin, C
Loney, 1B
Kent, 2B
Ethier, LF
Garciaparra, 3B
Kemp, RF
Pierre, CF

July 2008 lineup:

Furcal, SS
Martin, C
Loney, 1B
Kemp, RF
Ethier, LF
Kent, 2B
Pierre, CF
LaRoche, 3B

In my opinion, there's a lot to like there.

Starting pitching: Brad Penny is having a career year. Chad Billingsley's bad starts are getting better, and his good starts are getting great. Derek Lowe is learning to pitch hurt. Mark Hendrickson's ERA swelled to 5.20, and Brett Tomko (5.49 ERA, 80 ERA+) is about to be caught by ex-Dodger Edwin Jackson (5.84 ERA, 78 ERA+), who has a 2.97 ERA since the All-Star break. (Jackson might not have a better career than Tomko, but at least he's on the upswing.)

Remainder of 2007: Unless the Dodgers attempt to pull a 2003 Jackson by promoting red-hot James McDonald (3.15 ERA, 143 strikeouts in 114 2/3 innings) from AA Jacksonville, the Dodgers will muddle through with their existing five, plus some spot starts from the likes of D.J. Houlton, Eric Stults, and maybe even Randy Wolf or Hong-Chih Kuo if they're able to get some work in.

2008: Looking at the projected batting orders for 2008, there are few question marks. With LaRoche as a stand-in for Garciaparra and Pierre the immovable object, you can already fill out that batting order. Such is not the case for the starting rotation.

As much as it didn't end up working out this year, the Dodgers will have little choice in such an injury-plagued position but to attack with numbers. Penny, Lowe, Billingsley and Jason Schmidt will be the front four, but only Billingsley doesn't have injury questions. You'll be able to knock me over with a feather if Colletti doesn't non-tender Hendrickson and buy out Tomko's 2008 option for $1 million, but that still leaves a spot in the rotation to fill - not to mention backups to have in place.

Help is coming from the minors - the Dodgers could perhaps try to sneak Houlton through the No. 5 spot until McDonald is ready for promotion. (Too bad Scott Elbert lost 2007 to injury, and Greg Miller lost 2007 to the wilds.) Colletti can also buy out Wolf's $9 million 2008 option for $500,000 and then see if he will come to Spring Training on a lower-priced deal. And Hong-Chih Kuo will give it another go. But that's not going to be enough depth to satisfy the GM. As much as the offense has struggled this month, I expect starting pitching to be priority one for the Dodgers this offseason.

Bullpen: When it's not overworked, the Dodgers simply have one of the best.

Remainder of 2007: Um, try not to overwork the bullpen.

One thing is that with September fewer than three weeks away, we're finally about to see Jonathan Meloan (2.08 ERA, 81 strikeouts, 54 baserunners in 57 minor-league innings).

2008: Four possibilities for Takashi Saito: 1) he defies the odds for a third season in a row, 2) he moves into a setup role, 3) age finally captures up with him, 4) he retires feeling good about himself. I'm going to guess he doesn't walk away from the game before the game walks away from him.

Jonathan Broxton, Joe Beimel and Scott Proctor will be back, no doubt joined by Meloan. Rudy Seanez will probably retire. Yhency Brazoban and Chin-Hui Tsao will try to come back from injuries. The bullpen will be in flux a bit, but it's not something to worry about now.

Prognosis

Remainder of 2007: In a two-week stretch, the NL West became Arizona's to lose. And that's still possible. The Diamondbacks are not the '27 Yankees, and they blew a 5-1 eighth-inning lead today against Washington. Meanwhile, the wild-card race is a jumble.

More than anything, perhaps, it was Derek Lowe's bad-hip start on Saturday that has made me lose faith that the Dodgers have it in them to come back in 2007. I'm not giving up - I'm already disappointed, so there's no disappointment to avert - but this ship has taken on a lot of water. The offense is simply going to have to pull a 180, at a minimum not letting any good pitching performances the Dodgers do get go to waste.

2008: We know Arizona is going to be a rival for a division title. We know Colorado is on the rise. We know the Padres will be tough if Jake Peavy and Chris Young carry on to next season, though the Padres don't appear to have the younger reinforcements the other three teams have. And for all we know, replacing Barry Bonds in the San Francisco lineup next season will be Alex Rodriguez. The NL West is ascending. The Dodgers are keeping up as well as any team, but because so much is dependent on the vagaries of pitching health, essentially there is going to be no predicting who will win.

2009: Just fooling around ...

Young, LF
Martin, C
Loney, 1B
Kemp, CF
Ethier, RF
LaRoche, 3B
Abreu, 2B
Hu, SS
Santana/Penny/Billingsley/McDonald/Kershaw, P

Same as it ever was? Maybe not ...

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2007-08-12 17:45:01
1.   gpellamjr
I'll take that '09 rotation!
2007-08-12 17:47:38
2.   Bob Timmermann
But Joe Girardi promised me yesterday that the Dodgers would be fine.

Joe Girardi wouldn't lie to me would he?

2007-08-12 17:49:57
3.   Bob Timmermann
Monday Night Baseball on ESPN will be the Dodgers and Astros! Wave high to me! I'll either be in Section 34 of the Reserved or Section 55!
2007-08-12 17:51:46
4.   Jon Weisman
2 - I kind of liked Girardi as a commentator. What did you all think?
2007-08-12 17:54:56
5.   Bob Timmermann
I liked Girardi because he was not Thom Brennaman. He was pretty calm and level-headed when it came to analyzing the action. And I think Girardi played long enough to see teams go through up and down streaks to not be surprised by anything.
2007-08-12 17:57:00
6.   Greg Brock
I like Girardi a lot. He's got the whole cliche thing going on sometimes, but he is obviously a very smart guy.
2007-08-12 17:58:25
7.   Eric Enders
Nice read, Jon.

I thought Girardi was fantastic as a commentator. A FOX commentator who actually does his homework? Sssh, better not tell the network brass or they'll hire Scooter the talking baseball to take his place.

I've said it before, I'll say it again: Throw all the money in the world at Santana after 2008. I don't care if it takes A-Rod money or even more to get him signed. Do it. Teams keep signing free-agent patch-up jobs like Jason Schmidt, Barry Zito, and A.J. Burnett, while losing sight of the fact that the truly elite free agents -- the future Hall of Famer types -- are the signings likely to pay off the best, and are a much better bet to be worth the money.

And although you studiously avoided mentioning him in the context of 2008, it might be noted that the Minotaur will be starting 2008 in AA, and is potentially only a good first half away from joining the Dodger rotation.

2007-08-12 18:01:44
8.   MJW101
The smoke and mirrors of the 2007 Dodger offense has drifted away and been broken. What happens from this point to the end of the season will determine the future of our Dodgers. If Ned panics and starts do all kinds of crazy Ned moves then we are in trouble. If he accepts that he did all that he could do and encourages Grady to find out what the kids can accomplish (play Loney/Kemp/Ethier full time) then the 2008 future may be bright.
2007-08-12 18:02:39
9.   Eric Enders
Also, Jon's 2009 lineup, while it has its merits, could never conceivably be implemented by anyone other than Michael Lewis. Hu and Abreu are middle infielders with speed. They bat at the top of the order. Period. Delwyn Young is a slow left fielder. He bats in the middle of the order. Period.
2007-08-12 18:04:02
10.   Jon Weisman
7 - Trying to avoid the Elbert/Miller curse.

8 - I don't see anything to indicate that Colletti and Little won't go with the July 2008 lineup I posted above.

2007-08-12 18:04:22
11.   Bob Timmermann
9
It's a little-known fact that Jon's wife is a dead ringer for Tabitha Soren.
2007-08-12 18:04:37
12.   Eric Enders
So Penny is a free agent after next year, right? How much are we going to have to fork over for him to be a part of that 2009 conversation?
2007-08-12 18:05:28
13.   Jon Weisman
9 - Okay, Martin leads off then :)
2007-08-12 18:05:56
14.   overkill94
I think the chances of McDonald getting some starts in September are pretty good for a few reasons:

1. Hendrickson and Tomko are terrible
2. McDonald's already 22 (not far from 23), so he's not young enough to scar for life if he fails
3. Fans want to see some new blood to spark the current lull
4. He doesn't have quite the same burden of being a "can't-miss prospect" that guys like Jackson had

His inexperience as a pitcher is the only reason I could see management wanting to wait it out.

2007-08-12 18:06:01
15.   Marty
I blame Alyssa for all of this. As soon as she was connected to Martin, the bottom fell out of this team.
2007-08-12 18:08:34
16.   natepurcell
Dodgers have a 2009 club option for Penny. Lowe is gone after 2008 though.
2007-08-12 18:11:40
17.   Eric Enders
I have a question that may challenge the omnipotent powers of The Great Timmermann.

When was the last time the Dodgers fielded an all-homegrown starting lineup in a game? Because it could happen next month, if we fall out of the wild card race. (I'm assuming the answer is "never," but I guess it's possible that it happened before.)

C Martin
1B Loney
2B Abreu
3B LaRoche
SS Hu
LF Young
CF Kemp
RF Ethier
P Billingsley

(I know I'm stretching it with Ethier, but the Dodgers are the only MLB team he's played for, and he played for us in the minors too.)

2007-08-12 18:12:00
18.   NoHoDodger
Jon's predictions for the future are probably right on, but......his premise is based on the fact that we do not make any trades and don't pick up any impact free agents.

I find it hard to believe that Coletti will not now be tempted to right the ship and find some lumber and some arms in the off season.

Who? Who knows?

2007-08-12 18:12:26
19.   Eric Enders
16 Thanks nate. That DePo fella is looking better with each passing day.
2007-08-12 18:14:01
20.   King of the Hobos
One in a lifetime post (sorry...)

I personally don't like Delwyn leading off, as he simply doesn't get on base enough. I like Laroche leading off, or if he can ever learn to play D and hit consistently, Denker (who is currently leading off for the 66ers with his .382 OBP)

2007-08-12 18:14:31
21.   Eric Enders
My (probably unrealistic) hope is that Colletti will sign Andruw Jones or one of the other free agent CFs, and trade Pierre elsewhere, even if the Dodgers have to eat most of his contract.
2007-08-12 18:17:21
22.   Eric Enders
One thing Jon forgot to mention for 2009 is the triumphant return of Greg Miller as a power-hitting outfielder.
2007-08-12 18:17:35
23.   King of the Hobos
17 Maybe Repko will decide he wants to play before he's ready, so he could replace Ethier.
2007-08-12 18:17:47
24.   natepurcell
21

I was thinking about that and I don't know if I want any of them. Hunter is old, Druw might be on the decline and I don't think Rowand is as good as he is showing this year.

2007-08-12 18:18:07
25.   Bob Timmermann
Just poking around, but on 10/1/1976, the Dodgers started:
C Yeager
1B Garvey
2B Lopes
SS Russell
3B Cey
LF Buckner
CF Burke
RF Lacy
P Lewallyn

The next day, Sutton was the pitcher and Hale was in center

2007-08-12 18:18:30
26.   MJW101
10 I desperately want to believe that Ned & Grady will put your recommended 2008 lineup in place. However, based upon past actions I do not have the same faith that you have that Ned will do the logical thing. As an example - Ned will probably resign Gonzo for 2008 since he had such a good 1st half (same logic used with Nomar last year).

12 Penny is signed through 2008 with an option for 2009. Lowe is a FA after 2008 with no probability of resigning since he is a BORA$$ client. Ned should try to extend Penny's contract at $15 million a year.

2007-08-12 18:19:00
27.   Eric Enders
24 Agreed on all points. But the question isn't really whether you want them, it's whether you want them more than Pierre.
2007-08-12 18:21:39
28.   natepurcell
26

I wouldn't even want Lowe beyond next year. He's gunna be like 35 and his hip condition looks to be an ongoing thing.

2007-08-12 18:22:22
29.   King of the Hobos
24 That's fine. How about we sign Fukudome, let Kemp become Jim Edmonds, and trade Pierre and $10 mil for Farnsworth (or some similar deal for an overpriced guy we don't need to start every day)?
2007-08-12 18:22:29
30.   natepurcell
27

I think out of all 3, Hunter will probably age the best.

2007-08-12 18:24:34
31.   Bob Timmermann
I have a strong desire now to go to Jamba Juice. I'm not sure. I think there was some non-subliminal advertising going on.
2007-08-12 18:27:50
32.   Eric Enders
What exactly is Jamba Juice anyway? I don't think I've ever seen one. The only reason I'm even aware of its existence is because they paid for product placement on the Sopranos a few years ago.
2007-08-12 18:30:17
33.   Bob Timmermann
5/18/95
C - Piazza
1B - Karros
2B - Ingram
SS - Offerman
3B - Hansen
LF - Ashley
CF - Mondesi
RF - Rodriguez
P - Astacio
2007-08-12 18:30:53
34.   Eric Enders
33 Man, that team had so much promise.
2007-08-12 18:31:18
35.   natepurcell
32

a place that serves smoothies. My favorite is the Caribbean Passion.

2007-08-12 18:34:04
36.   das411
WOW and both runners are safe? And Cox did not get himself tossed??
2007-08-12 18:36:59
37.   Bob Timmermann
33
I'm 99% that 1995 game was the last game for the Dodgers featured all nine players who were originally signed by the Dodgers.

It gets easy to check later on. Especially with Shawn Green getting a lot of starts to eliminate a lot of years.

2007-08-12 18:38:07
38.   Bob Timmermann
In 1995, Ingram was just filling for Deshields.
2007-08-12 18:38:29
39.   Bob Timmermann
"filling in for Deshields."
2007-08-12 18:38:37
40.   natepurcell
Howard's a beast.
2007-08-12 18:39:20
41.   Eric Enders
38 He is by far the least prominent of the nine players, yet he's the only one still in the Dodger organization.
2007-08-12 18:43:05
42.   bigcpa
Hopefully this RISP death march will help mgmt realize that it's ok to have some players that hit HR's even with 100+ K's. I'm on board with Eric's idea in 21 , and that should only require a $10M write-off. Someone must see Pierre as a $6M/yr guy- especially the 15+ teams that can't afford the Hunter/Jones/Rowand sweepstakes. Otherwise I'd like to see Ethier take some reps in CF and go after F-Dome for LF.
2007-08-12 18:44:11
43.   ToyCannon
29
It is my understanding that with the season ending injury that Fukudome had, that he will not be able to post to the US this offseason.
2007-08-12 18:46:05
44.   Curtis Lowe
the F-Dome just had surgery to remove bone chips.
2007-08-12 18:46:31
45.   ToyCannon
Jon's lineup makes to much sense thus it won't happen.
2007-08-12 18:50:53
46.   Greg Brock
I still believe Ethier and a pitcher will be packaged for a power bat at some point.
2007-08-12 18:51:01
47.   Curtis Lowe
According to the article cited on MLBTRADERUMOS there is a new rule that would allow him to become a free agent which is different than being posted.

Would the Dodgers still want to pay a premium for an MLB Unproven player coming off of surgery?

2007-08-12 18:52:34
48.   King of the Hobos
43 He doesn't need to post. The problem is he's a few days short of free agent eligibility, but apparently some new rule allows him to become a free agent anyways (so sayeth http://tinyurl.com/35f3vd).
2007-08-12 18:53:29
49.   natepurcell
I still believe Ethier and a pitcher will be packaged for a power bat at some point.

Hasn't Ethier shown he should be part of our future already?

2007-08-12 18:56:37
50.   overkill94
I would love for management to give so many starting jobs to the kids next year, but I just don't see it happening with the way the team has struggled lately. If they finish strong and the kids finish with good numbers that's one thing, but otherwise I fear they will sign a name outfielder and relegate Kemp to the minors again.

Ideally, they could pawn off Nomar and Pierre without having to eat too much of their contract (even if they don't get anything good back) and free up some money to sign some quality players (A-Rod? Hunter?). As it is, we're not losing enough payroll to be able to plug in a power hitter, but cutting that deadweight would do wonders for the line-up.

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2007-08-12 18:57:21
51.   Greg Brock
49 I don't have a problem with keeping Ethier. I'd also like to have two outfielders that can hit 20 flippin' home runs.

You know, like really good teams often have.

2007-08-12 19:00:22
52.   Greg Brock
And to be clear, I didn't say Ethier should be traded, or that I'd like him to be traded, or that I wouldn't like for him to be traded, or that I think he's a communist.

We're just predicting things here. And that's my prediction.

2007-08-12 19:00:33
53.   King of the Hobos
51 Ethier has hit 20 homers exactly. He may have trouble doing it in one season, but if you're going to get picky...
2007-08-12 19:00:53
54.   Jon Weisman
My Jamba pick: Orange Dream Machine. The closest thing you can find to an Orange Julius since the original fell by the wayside - and healthier too.
2007-08-12 19:02:55
55.   Gen3Blue
As long as I have observed, when the D's (or other teams) locked up a playoff spot, orwere knocked out of the race they got to play their future players and improve the next year. I specifically remember this with some of the Lopes era infielders. I hope the present Admin. sticks with this tradition, it would be a wonderful late season.
I'm just so sorry for LaRoche, who has had several times he could have taken over, but (like many young players) is always fighting injuries. I hope this hasn't begun to happen to Abrue, and god forbid, Hu.
2007-08-12 19:08:43
56.   bcg60
I would actually like to see them go with an outfield of Young - LF, Kemp - CF and Ethier - RF now and definitely not wait until 2009 for it. Gonzo has had a great career, but agree he would be much better as a DH in the American League at this point in his career. Pierre is not a fit at all for the Dodgers. He seems like one of the nicest guys you could ever want to meet, but decisions have to be made based upon what works best for the team and Pierre's skills fit much more for an infielder than an outfielder,and definitley fit better for a team with big time home run power that needs some speed if he remains an outfielder. You can't have a center fielder with a weak arm that hits for no power at all unless you are loaded with power at other positions. Hopefully, the Dodgers can unload him to a team that has power and needs some speed.

I'm a huge Ethier fan,have been from day one, and think he is going to be one of the top hitters in the league in the next year or so. I also think he'll hit for a lot more power in the future than people think at this point. I like him better in right field than left field defensively also. He's a good left fielder, but potential gold glove in right. Gotta give him huge credit for hanging in there and keeping his head up this season with how Grittle has jacked him in and out of the line up and basically tried to break his confidence. What a difference a manager who recognizes talent could have made for him, but he's come out on top this year in spite of it. I can't understand why Grittle would be so hard a guy who seems like a really nice hard working kid. If he's mad because he tried to play with the shoulder injury at the end of last season, he needs to move on and get over it. I can't think of too many rookies, or players in general, that wouldn't try to suck it up and play through it.

I still think Kemp can be a great player, he just needs to learn to be more patient at the plate and hit more than the fast ball consistently. He definitley has gold glove potential defensively in center. Have to remember he's only 22 and hasn't played baseball all his life like most of the others.

2007-08-12 19:13:46
57.   Marty
As Eric Enders has pointed out frequently, Kemp already is hitting the curve ball.
2007-08-12 19:13:48
58.   Bob Timmermann
So has ESPN gone from showing only the Yankees and Red Sox to showing only the Braves and Cardinals?

Next Sunday night is St. Louis vs. Chicago. The Sunday after that will be the Dodgers at New York.

2007-08-12 19:21:02
59.   Dodgers49
>> Why, by the way, are people so confident that Tony Abreu is faking an injury? <<

The real problem for Tony Abreu is that one of the people who thinks he is faking an injury is apparently Ned Colletti.

## Tony Abreu was placed on the temporary inactive list because apparently there is a question about the extent of his abdomen injury. ##

http://tinyurl.com/yore3y

2007-08-12 19:22:21
60.   Bob Timmermann
The LA Dodgers first homegrown lineup was in Game 15 on May 1 against the Pirates
C - Roseboro
1b - Hodges
2b - Neal
SS - Zimmer
3B - Gray
LF - Demeter
CF - Cimoli
RF - Snider
P - Newcombe

The player who kept messing things up in the first few days of the LA Dodgers was Pee Wee Reese, who was first signed by the Pirates and then went to the Red Sox organization.

2007-08-12 19:25:48
61.   das411
NOBODY is safe from the arm of Francour!!
2007-08-12 19:26:07
62.   Indiana Jon
54 I was feeling a little left out earlier during the Jamba Juice discussion since we don't have those here. We do, however, still have Orange Julius, so I guess we're even.
2007-08-12 19:29:11
63.   Louis in SF
When is the next scheduled start for Hendrickson?...Perhaps in that start we bring up McDonald
2007-08-12 19:30:04
64.   Jon Weisman
62 - But do you have vintage Orange Julius?
2007-08-12 19:31:46
65.   Bob Timmermann
Hendrickson should start Friday against Colorado.

I'll get to see Billingsley go for his third straight 1-0 loss against the Astros and Oswalt Monday and then on Thursday, bhsportsguy, Vishal, and I will get to watch One-leg Lowe face off against Wandy Rodriguez.

2007-08-12 19:32:02
66.   Indiana Jon
64 Good question. If you can explain it to me, I would be glad to answer.
2007-08-12 19:35:24
67.   Robert Daeley
62 We have those too, so we're ahead again.
2007-08-12 19:37:00
68.   JoeyP
8 - I don't see anything to indicate that Colletti and Little won't go with the July 2008 lineup I posted above

Luis Gonzales is still playing everyday for the Dodgers. Matt Kemp is not.

If Gonzo's not going to get benched this year for Kemp, then Nomar most certainly wont for LaRoche next year.

Nomar's got way more pull than Gonzo.

2007-08-12 19:37:15
69.   underdog
Well, I'm back home. Did I miss anything this weekend? I mean, anything good. :-/

My Jamba Juice splurge pick: Peanut Butter Moo. My healthier favorite is the Banana Berry or Protein Berry Pizazz.

Well, I'm excited the Dodgers are on ESPN2 tomorrow for a change, even if it's a tough pitching matchup. I still have some manner of hope in this team but feel like this homestand is the "now or never" time to turn it around, or fuhgedaboutit.

Good write-up above, Jon, the right mix of reality, looking to the future, and still a bit of hope for now.

2007-08-12 19:38:51
70.   Indiana Jon
67 Yes, but we can get to ours with little or no traffic. So we are even again.
2007-08-12 19:40:28
71.   Louis in SF
By my count the Dodgers have 45 cames left and given the overall compettiton for the Wild Card and the Division, the Dodgers have to win in my estimation between 28 and 30 to have a real chance for a playoff spot. Do you think Grady has the courage to go to Gonzo and Pierre and say you are platoon players for the rest of the year? Either has earned a full time spot and let Kemp platoon between Gonzales and Pierre? Young would back-up Kent