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Dodger home record: 40-30 (.571)
When Jon attended: 6-3 (.667)
When Jon didn't: 34-27 (.557)
Dodgers at home: 745-600 (.554)
Jon attended: 293-233 (.557)*
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* includes road games attended
Current Roster with Estimated 2008 Salaries
(updated March 28)
Most figures are estimates (some are wild estimates) but will be updated as information comes in. Corrections welcome.
More contract details here.
Starting Pitchers (5)
$12,300,000 Hiroki Kuroda
$10,000,000 Derek Lowe
$9,500,000 Brad Penny
$7,000,000 Esteban Loaiza
*$500,000 Chad Billingsley
Total: $39,300,000
Bullpen (6)
$2,000,000 Takashi Saito
$1,925,000 Joe Beimel
$1,125,000 Scott Proctor
*$500,000 Jonathan Broxton
$500,000 Chan Ho Park
*$400,000 Hong-Chih Kuo
Total: $6,450,000
Starting Lineup (8)
$14,100,000 Andruw Jones
$13,000,000 Rafael Furcal
$9,000,000 Jeff Kent
$8,500,000 Nomar Garciaparra
$8,000,000 Juan Pierre
$500,000 Russell Martin
*$400,000 James Loney
*$400,000 Matt Kemp
Total: $53,900,000
Bench (6)
$875,000 Gary Bennett
$600,000 Mark Sweeney
$424,500 Andre Ethier
$391,000 Delwyn Young
$390,000 Chin-Lung Hu
$390,000 Blake DeWitt
Total: $3,071,000
Disabled List
$12,000,000 Jason Schmidt
*$400,000 Tony Abreu
*$390,000 Andy LaRoche
Total: $12,790,000
Also Paying ...
$1,000,000 Brett Tomko
$750,000 Odalis Perez
$540,000 Yhency Brazoban
$500,000 Randy Wolf
$487,500 Jason Repko
$135,225 Rudy Seanez
$100,000 Mike Lieberthal
$50,000 Ramon Martinez
Total: $3,562,725
Working total: *$113,268,725
*Rough salary estimate
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Do I ice her? Do I marry her? Which one of these?
Some people head into marriage full speed ahead. Others scrutinize their betrothed's looks and personality all the way to the altar. Neither is a surefire way to attract or avoid marital bliss. But at a certain point, scrutiny becomes tiresome for everyone involved.
The preacher has asked the Dodgers if it will take Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier, James Loney to be their lawful, wedded starters, for richer and for poorer, and the Dodgers are so close to saying yes. But they're not quite there.
They're definitely on board with the "richer" part. It's "poorer" that gives them have second thoughts.
They are haunted by the ones that got away, by the ones they wished had got away, by older dalliances that they can't quite shake. They would rather have their hearts broken in a familiar way than a new way.
And so what we have here, gentlemen, is a failure to commit. Kemp and Ethier are sharing playing time with each other and Luis Gonzalez, while Loney has been benched (for either Mark Sweeney and Olmedo Saenz) twice in the past five games.
It's not that the Dodgers don't savor the thought of Kemp and Ethier and the white-picket outfield fence, or Loney patrolling their infield of dreams. It's as if they understand too well that marriage isn't a fantasy but a road with potholes, that divorce is painful.
Let's face it Loney, Kemp and Ethier do not come fully mature, nor do their cousins D.J. Houlton, Eric Hull, James McDonald or Jonathan Meloan. Any relationship with them brings inevitably uncomfortable or embarrassing times.
Meanwhile, just when you think Juan Pierre can't possibly have a decent month, he goes out and puts up a soothing .836 OPS in August, with eight steals in eight attempts.
Even Gonzalez, given up for dead, is OPSing .864 in his past seven games. Even Shea Hillenbrand, given up for dead, had four hits Saturday. Even Ramon Martinez, given up for dead, had three critical RBI on Sunday. Even Roberto Hernandez, given up for dead, pitched a scoreless 13th inning Saturday.
There are going to be ups and downs with in any relationship with a ballplayer. We know this. Over a given period of time, any player can look like a winner or a loser.
But at a certain point, you need to stop playing the field. At this time in the season, Grady Little and Ned Colletti should know enough about their organization to know who deserves their love.
Saenz, we know, cannot hit righthanders right now, if he can hit anyone.
Brett Tomko, we know, cannot give you a quality start.
Hernandez, we know, is a coin-toss when it comes to getting out of an inning without allowing runs.
Even though all have slumped at times this year, Kemp, Ethier and Loney have 2007 EQAs of .297, .285 and .286. The people they have shared playing time with, Gonzalez, Pierre and Saenz, are at .279, .255 and .231.
It is the younger trio that should get the benefit of the doubt. If Pierre is hot and you want to keep him in the lineup, then keep Ethier and Kemp alongside through thick and thin. If Gonzalez shows some spark off the bench or Pierre cools off, than let Pierre take a seat on the bench. If he's such a wonderful human being, he shouldn't be above being treated like everyone else with his ability.
Don't justify your inability to commit with doubletalk that suggests Pierre never needs a rest but Loney does every week. Don't keep talking about Tomko's stuff or Hernandez's savvy when a crop of minor league pitchers even if they aren't worldbeaters yet bring more relevant advantages.
A dream of perfection should not blind yourself to Mr. or Miss Right. It's clear who the brides and bridesmaids are in Dodge City. It's time for the Dodger lineup to commit to saying "I do" to Loney, Ethier and Kemp, and it's time for the Dodger pitching staff to try dating Hull, Meloan, McDonald and Houlton.
Do I ice her? Do I marry her? Which one of these?
Marry her, Charley. Just because she's a thief and a hitter doesn't mean she's not a good woman in all the other departments. If she was some kind of fashion model, well it wouldn't last more than thirty days. But you and she is in the same line of business. You are lucky you found each other, you know that, Charley?
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Andy LaRoche and Tony Abreu would also deserve promotions, except both continue to be bothered by injuries, according to Diamond Leung of the Press-Enterprise.
"The Dodgers continue to seek medical opinions on Abreu, and offseason surgery is a possibility," Leung writes.
Am I correct that the snickering should stop over whether Abreu's health problems are real?
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Tonight's 4:05 p.m. game:
I'll stop now.
Maybe they're ready to live together, but not quite ready to go through the ceremony yet.
I suppose if Repko was healthy, he would play CF on occasion but other than that, Grady has shown little interest in moving Ethier or Kemp there (though Kemp played last year when Lofton took time off).
For better or for worse, I suppose.
If you're a young player who struggles for a while, you're either demoted to the minor leagues, or placed firmly on the bench with almost no opportunity to get back into the mix. And that's just the young players who actually get an opportunity. Some of them, like Meloan, haven't even gotten that.
All I ask is that the organization be run as a meritocracy. The only criterion for playing time should be whether performance-wise you're the best player for the job. As things stand, that seems to be the only criterion not being considered. Instead we get lots of blather about heart, and dedication, and toughness, and veteran savvy, and being good in the clubhouse, and consecutive game streaks.
It's becoming nauseating. It's as if the Dodgers are making every effort to avoid put a winning team on the field.
And in staying with Jack movies:
Ned: Why can't we play the vets? What do we get from Kemp and Loney that we can't get from Gonzo and Saenz?
Noah Brock: The future, Mr. Colletti...the future.
Have you or the L.A. press done a big story on the Dodgers' adhering to slot guidelines and the idea that McCourt is beholden to Selig in this area because Selig helped McCourt gain ownerhship of the Dodgers?
Forgive me if this has been addressed. What a shame it would be if the Dodgers are pulling back along these lines. They finally have the scouts in place who can make a go of it in the draft, but it seems like they aren't spending like they could or should.
The Red Sox and Yankees don't seem to be playing ball with Selig in this fashion.
I realize this is circumstantial and watery, but that's what I've been gleaning from posts here and reports in Baseball America.
I realize that the amateur market is even more inexact than the pro market. Logan White isn't infallible, but he seems to be an above-average scouting director, and based on his remarks, he has a very good staff in place. Why not maximize this franchise strength?
I can't see this being a directive by the front office, Grady is just going to keep writing his name in the lineup.
Yesterday I spoke about this using the phrase "placeholders". The pot is cool enough to eat, let's put the placeholders away and go with the real food!
Thats pretty much how I feel too. I just noticed today that one of the Boston Red Sox Blog is titled "Surviving Grady." How about that?
vr, Xei
Whom != Who
One day at work when the library's computers went down and nobody can access their records, my staff spent the entire day telling people, "It's not you, it's us."
Repeat that about 80 times per person over 9 hours.
That was a long day.
"The current system isn't the most equitable, but it is what it is. Large revenue clubs are foolish not to exploit the advantages MLB is handing them with the draft."
Are the Dodgers wearing a dunce cap?
Near as I can tell, when the Dodgers want to throw there weight around, it's so their panicky GM, the former PR guy, can give $45 million to a CF just because the genius Giants offered him $36 million, or $47 million to a pitcher with a bad shoulder who was recommended by the same trainer whose former club didn't even try to retain the bad-shouldered pitcher.
Holliday-COL .336
Utley-PHI .336
Renteria-ATL .336
Ramirez-FLA .335
Young-WSN .333
Jones-ATL .331
Cabrera-FLA .330
Hasn't Greg Brock also declared himself to be the Paraclete of Caborca?
She loudly used a verb and a noun, both of which are big time rule #1 violations and stormed off. I was left sitting there with the whole restaurant staring at me. Not so funny anymore.
The point is that after four years I should have been able to commit to a woman who is so far out of my league that in hindsight I can't believe it wasn't obvious to me and I regret that we didn't start our life sooner.
I suspect, a year or two from now, Ned will be saying the same thing about Kemp, Loney and Ethier. The real question is will he have learned his lesson when it comes to Hull, McDonald Meloan and avoid the regrets and bad horse racing analogies.
Some shoot for reality. I shoot for diaper wearing astronauts. Which among us is the more foolish.
Oh, me...Right.
I guess this is what happens when you hire a veteran bridesmaid as your GM.
I pretend they don't exist at all.
(Bob scratches that joke off of list)
LAT, I suppose it was a good sign when she didn't dump a bag of popcorn on your head.
I would not like to try and stop Kemp once he is in full throttle.
Anybody with Tivo looking it over?
Of course, also not on Tivo
I work in the telephone section. I don't see people.
Oh, and the obvious joke ... not even dead people?
In the words of David Byrne, "Stop making sense! Stop making sense!"
If they held Kemp at third, Martin's ground-out would've ended the inning anyway, so it's not like anything was lost.
(caveat: I haven't seen the play in question)
This sounds like the type of question that would spark debates at SABR conventions.
Or it just could be that from the beginning of time, errors have always been seen as an out (just not recorded) for the batter.
1. You don't want to reward the player for the other team screwing up.
2. Reaching on an error hasn't been regularly tracked until recently.
I had a similar story, but mine didn't end quite so happily.
62 - Can anyone tell me why reaching base on an error doesn't count positively in OBP? They get on base right?
Because the player reached through a defensive failure rather than an offensive action. Arguably, speedy players may have more reach-on-errors than slower ones.
You are misremembering my lesson about 1887 when walks counted as hits.
The Retrosheet guys could run a fancy query for such a thing.
Which, of course, explains why walks and HBPs count toward on-base percentage.
But, you say, the batter also has some impact on those two events! True enough. But so do a batter's speed and how hard he hits the ball have an effect upon reaching on errors.
I'm firmly in favor of counting ROEs in OBP. Stick that in your double-error pipe and smoke it!
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