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Do I ice her? Do I marry her? Which one of these?
Some people head into marriage full speed ahead. Others scrutinize their betrothed's looks and personality all the way to the altar. Neither is a surefire way to attract or avoid marital bliss. But at a certain point, scrutiny becomes tiresome for everyone involved.
The preacher has asked the Dodgers if it will take Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier, James Loney to be their lawful, wedded starters, for richer and for poorer, and the Dodgers are so close to saying yes. But they're not quite there.
They're definitely on board with the "richer" part. It's "poorer" that gives them have second thoughts.
They are haunted by the ones that got away, by the ones they wished had got away, by older dalliances that they can't quite shake. They would rather have their hearts broken in a familiar way than a new way.
And so what we have here, gentlemen, is a failure to commit. Kemp and Ethier are sharing playing time with each other and Luis Gonzalez, while Loney has been benched (for either Mark Sweeney and Olmedo Saenz) twice in the past five games.
It's not that the Dodgers don't savor the thought of Kemp and Ethier and the white-picket outfield fence, or Loney patrolling their infield of dreams. It's as if they understand too well that marriage isn't a fantasy but a road with potholes, that divorce is painful.
Let's face it Loney, Kemp and Ethier do not come fully mature, nor do their cousins D.J. Houlton, Eric Hull, James McDonald or Jonathan Meloan. Any relationship with them brings inevitably uncomfortable or embarrassing times.
Meanwhile, just when you think Juan Pierre can't possibly have a decent month, he goes out and puts up a soothing .836 OPS in August, with eight steals in eight attempts.
Even Gonzalez, given up for dead, is OPSing .864 in his past seven games. Even Shea Hillenbrand, given up for dead, had four hits Saturday. Even Ramon Martinez, given up for dead, had three critical RBI on Sunday. Even Roberto Hernandez, given up for dead, pitched a scoreless 13th inning Saturday.
There are going to be ups and downs with in any relationship with a ballplayer. We know this. Over a given period of time, any player can look like a winner or a loser.
But at a certain point, you need to stop playing the field. At this time in the season, Grady Little and Ned Colletti should know enough about their organization to know who deserves their love.
Saenz, we know, cannot hit righthanders right now, if he can hit anyone.
Brett Tomko, we know, cannot give you a quality start.
Hernandez, we know, is a coin-toss when it comes to getting out of an inning without allowing runs.
Even though all have slumped at times this year, Kemp, Ethier and Loney have 2007 EQAs of .297, .285 and .286. The people they have shared playing time with, Gonzalez, Pierre and Saenz, are at .279, .255 and .231.
It is the younger trio that should get the benefit of the doubt. If Pierre is hot and you want to keep him in the lineup, then keep Ethier and Kemp alongside through thick and thin. If Gonzalez shows some spark off the bench or Pierre cools off, than let Pierre take a seat on the bench. If he's such a wonderful human being, he shouldn't be above being treated like everyone else with his ability.
Don't justify your inability to commit with doubletalk that suggests Pierre never needs a rest but Loney does every week. Don't keep talking about Tomko's stuff or Hernandez's savvy when a crop of minor league pitchers even if they aren't worldbeaters yet bring more relevant advantages.
A dream of perfection should not blind yourself to Mr. or Miss Right. It's clear who the brides and bridesmaids are in Dodge City. It's time for the Dodger lineup to commit to saying "I do" to Loney, Ethier and Kemp, and it's time for the Dodger pitching staff to try dating Hull, Meloan, McDonald and Houlton.
Do I ice her? Do I marry her? Which one of these?
Marry her, Charley. Just because she's a thief and a hitter doesn't mean she's not a good woman in all the other departments. If she was some kind of fashion model, well it wouldn't last more than thirty days. But you and she is in the same line of business. You are lucky you found each other, you know that, Charley?
* * *
Andy LaRoche and Tony Abreu would also deserve promotions, except both continue to be bothered by injuries, according to Diamond Leung of the Press-Enterprise.
"The Dodgers continue to seek medical opinions on Abreu, and offseason surgery is a possibility," Leung writes.
Am I correct that the snickering should stop over whether Abreu's health problems are real?
* * *
Tonight's 4:05 p.m. game:
I'll stop now.
Maybe they're ready to live together, but not quite ready to go through the ceremony yet.
I suppose if Repko was healthy, he would play CF on occasion but other than that, Grady has shown little interest in moving Ethier or Kemp there (though Kemp played last year when Lofton took time off).
For better or for worse, I suppose.
If you're a young player who struggles for a while, you're either demoted to the minor leagues, or placed firmly on the bench with almost no opportunity to get back into the mix. And that's just the young players who actually get an opportunity. Some of them, like Meloan, haven't even gotten that.
All I ask is that the organization be run as a meritocracy. The only criterion for playing time should be whether performance-wise you're the best player for the job. As things stand, that seems to be the only criterion not being considered. Instead we get lots of blather about heart, and dedication, and toughness, and veteran savvy, and being good in the clubhouse, and consecutive game streaks.
It's becoming nauseating. It's as if the Dodgers are making every effort to avoid put a winning team on the field.
And in staying with Jack movies:
Ned: Why can't we play the vets? What do we get from Kemp and Loney that we can't get from Gonzo and Saenz?
Noah Brock: The future, Mr. Colletti...the future.
Have you or the L.A. press done a big story on the Dodgers' adhering to slot guidelines and the idea that McCourt is beholden to Selig in this area because Selig helped McCourt gain ownerhship of the Dodgers?
Forgive me if this has been addressed. What a shame it would be if the Dodgers are pulling back along these lines. They finally have the scouts in place who can make a go of it in the draft, but it seems like they aren't spending like they could or should.
The Red Sox and Yankees don't seem to be playing ball with Selig in this fashion.
I realize this is circumstantial and watery, but that's what I've been gleaning from posts here and reports in Baseball America.
I realize that the amateur market is even more inexact than the pro market. Logan White isn't infallible, but he seems to be an above-average scouting director, and based on his remarks, he has a very good staff in place. Why not maximize this franchise strength?
I can't see this being a directive by the front office, Grady is just going to keep writing his name in the lineup.
Yesterday I spoke about this using the phrase "placeholders". The pot is cool enough to eat, let's put the placeholders away and go with the real food!
Thats pretty much how I feel too. I just noticed today that one of the Boston Red Sox Blog is titled "Surviving Grady." How about that?
vr, Xei
Whom != Who
One day at work when the library's computers went down and nobody can access their records, my staff spent the entire day telling people, "It's not you, it's us."
Repeat that about 80 times per person over 9 hours.
That was a long day.
"The current system isn't the most equitable, but it is what it is. Large revenue clubs are foolish not to exploit the advantages MLB is handing them with the draft."
Are the Dodgers wearing a dunce cap?
Near as I can tell, when the Dodgers want to throw there weight around, it's so their panicky GM, the former PR guy, can give $45 million to a CF just because the genius Giants offered him $36 million, or $47 million to a pitcher with a bad shoulder who was recommended by the same trainer whose former club didn't even try to retain the bad-shouldered pitcher.
Holliday-COL .336
Utley-PHI .336
Renteria-ATL .336
Ramirez-FLA .335
Young-WSN .333
Jones-ATL .331
Cabrera-FLA .330
Hasn't Greg Brock also declared himself to be the Paraclete of Caborca?
She loudly used a verb and a noun, both of which are big time rule #1 violations and stormed off. I was left sitting there with the whole restaurant staring at me. Not so funny anymore.
The point is that after four years I should have been able to commit to a woman who is so far out of my league that in hindsight I can't believe it wasn't obvious to me and I regret that we didn't start our life sooner.
I suspect, a year or two from now, Ned will be saying the same thing about Kemp, Loney and Ethier. The real question is will he have learned his lesson when it comes to Hull, McDonald Meloan and avoid the regrets and bad horse racing analogies.
Some shoot for reality. I shoot for diaper wearing astronauts. Which among us is the more foolish.
Oh, me...Right.
I guess this is what happens when you hire a veteran bridesmaid as your GM.
I pretend they don't exist at all.
(Bob scratches that joke off of list)
LAT, I suppose it was a good sign when she didn't dump a bag of popcorn on your head.
I would not like to try and stop Kemp once he is in full throttle.
Anybody with Tivo looking it over?
Of course, also not on Tivo
I work in the telephone section. I don't see people.
Oh, and the obvious joke ... not even dead people?
In the words of David Byrne, "Stop making sense! Stop making sense!"
If they held Kemp at third, Martin's ground-out would've ended the inning anyway, so it's not like anything was lost.
(caveat: I haven't seen the play in question)
This sounds like the type of question that would spark debates at SABR conventions.
Or it just could be that from the beginning of time, errors have always been seen as an out (just not recorded) for the batter.
1. You don't want to reward the player for the other team screwing up.
2. Reaching on an error hasn't been regularly tracked until recently.
I had a similar story, but mine didn't end quite so happily.
62 - Can anyone tell me why reaching base on an error doesn't count positively in OBP? They get on base right?
Because the player reached through a defensive failure rather than an offensive action. Arguably, speedy players may have more reach-on-errors than slower ones.
You are misremembering my lesson about 1887 when walks counted as hits.
The Retrosheet guys could run a fancy query for such a thing.
Which, of course, explains why walks and HBPs count toward on-base percentage.
But, you say, the batter also has some impact on those two events! True enough. But so do a batter's speed and how hard he hits the ball have an effect upon reaching on errors.
I'm firmly in favor of counting ROEs in OBP. Stick that in your double-error pipe and smoke it!
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/TEX/TEX199604190.shtml
Meanwhile, it's the evil 4th inning.
No one has scored 30 in a major league since the 19th Century!
Way to work the pitch count, JP.
Maybe not if Baltimore scores 27 in the bottom of the 9th and they go into extra innings :-)
Headline on the Orioles website now:
Rangers chase Cabrera as O's seek rally
Wait...What?
"The Rangers hope their struggling offense can get back on track Wednesday when they face the Baltimore Orioles in a doubleheader at Camden Yards."
Heh heh.
Paul Shuey and Rob Bell made 115 pitches in those last 3 innings against the Rangers.
It used to be up to the official scorer whether the pitcher was "effective" for those three innings, but Bob threatened to withhold library cards if they didn't change the rule and of course MLB complied.
I, for one, enjoy it.
Stan Belinda enjoyed his save in a 22-3 game. Dave Goltz got one once when he gave up 8 runs.
4-7 with 2 walks, 4 RBI, and 2 runs scored
Diane Firstman will have some stuff up soon.
You know my hips don't lie
And I'm starting to feel it's right"
Actually, I lived in Australia for 02 and 03. I only ever saw Gagne start.
On McDonald, Ned has seen him pitch 3 times so far.
``He looked really interesting, in a good way,'' Colletti said. ``This kid had a great feel for pitching. He has four pitches, and he throws them for strikes, he changes speeds, he changes eye levels, he throws on a downhill plane, he puts a lot of thought into what he does, and he is successful doing it.''
McDonald is 6-2 with a 1.65 ERA since his promotion from Single-A Inland Empire. But he also has thrown 125 2/3 innings this season, and his velocity, which reached the 92-93 mph range earlier in the season, is topping out now at 87-88. That probably is a sign he is tired, and that could be enough to dissuade club officials from calling him up this year.
yea maybe we should rest him. Put him on a weight gaining program this summer with tons of long tossing and see him touch 97 next spring.
Dodgers 51-3
Arizona 50-6
Colorado 48-10
San Diego 46-11
San Francisco 46-9 (after 7)
i like jackson too but when the net result of that trade was Betemit, i wasn't too mad in losing Jackson. But yea....
what about when it turned into Proctor? lol? Upton just hit a 2 run homer, so he could get the win. Since the AS break, his ERA is like 2.75. not bad, especially with 2 games against the Yanks and 1 against the Sox
Bench him again and I'm taking hostages.
Even for lamo dad sayings, this one is especially lame and nonsensical.
"Thats a LOONEY!! LOONEY! LOONEY! LOONEY!"
drunk phillies fan.
"In comes Kemp, in comes Ethier, Martin safe at third as Loney gets another hit."
I could get used to hearing that for the next 12 years.
Adkins: 3IP 1H 0ER 1bb 3k
Sextion: 4IP 4H 1ER 0bb 4k
I'm sure he doesn't spell it that way. It's still funny.
http://tinyurl.com/yutu2q
In reality, it's Dubee.
1-0 Brewers... boy did I call that one
The 1972 team lost 7 games to the strike and had Willie Davis and Frank Robinson tie for the team lead with 19.
uh... we, uh, win?
Dodgers sticking with Tomko.
Braves lost, so the Dodgers gain on them. Rockies losing to Pitt 8-1 in the 4th.
I don't like Billingsley's chances of success against that Phillies lineup.
I DO like the Bums' chances of scoring at least 5 or 6 runs against Fabio.
On an unrelated note, why don't all pitchers throw two-seam, sinking fastballs? Seems like all the sinkerballers around the majors are successful, or at least mildly effective.
For the next 17 games:
Chad - 8/23; 8/28; 9/2; 9/7
Stults - 8/24; 8/29; 9/3; 9/8
Penny - 8/25; 8/31; 9/5
Tomko - 8/26; 9/4; 9/9
Lowe - 8/27; 9/1; 9/6
Now, Tomko will have only one more start before the rosters can expand so perhaps after September 1st, we will see Houlton or someone else fill in.
Those guys are both relatively old, don't throw that many pitches normally, and were just trying to get guys out with pitches that had almost nothing on them.
Hernandez's 14th inning could have been a lot worse than just 5 runs.
"Football boy" is a Giants fan, incidentally.
The big story for tomorrow: Will I get to have my coffee before the first pitch?
In 2005 he had 7 "quality starts" in 19 starts. Maybe 5 other starts that might qualify as good enough for the fifth starter (e.g. 6 IP with 4 runs, 5+ IP with 2-3 runs).
He's been decent in Vegas this year; a 3.87 ERA there is pretty good.
yep; I feel kind of bad for Shuey myself, him being a former Dodger and all.
"Texas also set a team record for runs scored in a doubleheader -- before the second game even started."
This isn't true according to Bob in 112 .
"The NL record for a doubleheader is 43 runs by Boston on 8/21/1894 (18-3, then 25-8 over Cinncinati). The AL record is 36 by Detroit on August 14, 1937 against St. Louis (16-1, 20-7)"
What that would have done was to give Stults one MORE start and Tomko one LESS start by the end of the season. Whether that would have made a difference in the standings by the end of the season I do not know.
Although I prefer Stults over Tomko any day.
The Rangers set a TEAM record, not an AL record, for runs in a doubleheader.
This does sort of tie into 273 . Roberto is clearly the last man in the pen, but he is a one-inning guy. Aren't most last men in the pen long relievers that it is realistic to believe can go three or four innings in a situation like the Colorado game? Might not D. J. Houlton be a better last man than Roberto? Or start Houlton and make Tomko the last guy (again)?
Before committing to making Dave Trembley the manager of the Baltimore Orioles in 2008, Andy MacPhail wanted to see how the team reacted to failure.
MacPhail, the club's president of baseball operations, never got much of a chance.
Until today.
The problem was that the Dodgers last guy in the pen ended up having to be used early in that game: Hendrickson.
So the "last" guy was Hernandez, who is more of a penultimate guy.
you would think they'd give Houlton or McDonald a shot but I guess it ain't happening. On my 298 I just looked up snarky & that's not the word I wanted to use.
At least not before September. I think that's why teams have 12 and 13 man pitching staffs.
Relievers like Brian Holton in 1988 are very rare.
They will probably skip his turn and have Penny, Lowe and Chad pitch against the Padres and then you can open up the Cubs with Stults so you have until the following Tuesday to decide who will pitch in that spot again.
I hope anyway....
Also, I'm glad you failed, Failie!
(Considers one of a number of marriage-related witticisms and/or cracks.)
(Wisely declines to offer such witticisms or cracks.)
And who were we playing?
Ethier
Kemp
Kent
Loney
Martin
See sidebar.
Tomorrow night is the fourth game in the series (Nationals won the first two). Oswalt just scratched and instead it's Juan Guittieriez in his first major league start. Nationals send John "I Beat Barry" Lannan to the hill in his 6th ML start.
320 Thanks. Go Nats!
Hudler also couldn't pronounce "anatomical". He also tried to explain what a CAT scan was without saying what the CAT stands for.
(I'm responding to Jon's post. I just got back from the desert. I had to listen to Rick Monday's bad announcing, combined with Jerry Reuss's stratagem of repeating what Rick Monday just said, only using different intonations, to make you think he's doing analysis, when in fact all he's doing is echoing the play by play.)
As for the outfield romantic polyhedron: I think Grady Little would say, "I'm just playin' hard to get." If he awards Kemp, Loney or Ethier a permanent spot in the lineup just because they're hitting better, they might not respect him in the morning.
I got back home in time to watch Steve Lyons and Kevin Kennedy make pretty much the same point, although they seemed to have a hard time with the idea of benching Luis Gonzalez more than occasionally, just because he's...he's...Luis Gonzalez. But even they can't ignore Ethier and Kemp's hot bats.
A few empty seats in the old Yards. If this was at Dodger Stadium, man would we be hearing about all the folks who left early, after only 6 and a half hours of losing baseball or what not.
And I expect the remaining members of the home crowd just might start booing if that happened.
Ah, whatever, the Dodgers' biggest problem these days is still the back, back end of their rotation, and the turnstile at third. But hopefully Kemp and Ethier both get the majority of starts these days.
I hope we can pull out a third place finish in this tourney.
Also, they continue to work hard to manage their comment threads: "Before I go, I'm going to make a request - please don't turn the comments into another chance to rehash the same old argument we've been having for the last three months in the comment threads. If you feel that Ibanez should be starting due to clubhouse chemistry, veteran experience, or if you never felt that Jones was better than Ibanez, that's fine - that's also not what this post is about. The topic is about the predictive power of hot and cold streaks. I'll be a much happier author if that's what we talk about in the comments."
"Despite the need for pitching, Little says right-hander James McDonald, who been strong in the minors, isn't ready for the majors."
Where he will promptly get beaten out by Russ Ortiz.
You're welcome.
McDonald has no shot. But he's a heck of a meteor, and I can't wait to see what his ceiling is.
If Russ Ortiz pitches for the Dodgers next year (or even this year), I will send one complaint letter to the Dodgers every day until he is released.
I can't keep up with your grudges. Except for peaches. That is a hate that will never die.
Of course, he won't get a shot until whatever cruddy veteran we sign or use gets hurt.
Actually Russ' season ended today.
"Russ Ortiz has a torn tendon in his throwing elbow that likely will sideline San Francisco's right-hander for the remainder of the season. Ortiz was placed on the disabled list Tuesday for the third time this year..."
His career ended 4 years ago but Sabean did'nt get the memo.
I've found the bloggers consistently more entertaining and well thought out. Except for Jon's...Russell Martin? That guy stinks!
I hope Ned got that memo, because I really think we may invite him to spring training.
I'm not sure why.
3 years ago it would have been Goatee
6 years ago it would have been Sheff
11 years ago, Pizza man
20 years ago Pedro and Fernando
30 years ago Garv and Sutton
40 years ago Drysdale
The Dodgers recently completed a youth infusion, giving right fielder Matt Kemp (.311/.352/.480) and James Loney (.324/.377/.495) a chance to play every day.
Oh, really? Every day? Sorry, you're injecting common sense into how we do business. They don't play every day. Even Loney sits.
When ESPN presupposes you have common sense, and you don't, it's time to rethink some things.
ESPN...More competent than our front office...Think about that.
I never would have picked Fredo. Fredo is the symbol of our GM. But since we will win despite him, he's irrelevant. And he won't be here after next year.
This is why I thank the sports gods everyday that UCLA has Ben Howland.
You really think Ned will be gone after next year?
Four million dollars a year to another team rids us of him. And he'll be gone.
Somehow he thinks Frank will go all 2004 again but I don't see it.
The Mustache will not leave us for a long time.
I don't expect it to last. He can't guard twos. Even if he does start, Russell is going to see a lot of minutes because he is too good.
I'm talking about the center fielder. One more year.
Hmm...Somebody whom I loathe, yet is a good but misguided person, judged by the wrong metrics, and is vastly overrated.
Mother Theresa?
You're a pal!
You could call him Nomar.
2007 Weighted Mean:
Loney: .296/.350/.473
Nomar: .289/.346/.461
It's not like people didn't see this coming. And these were cautious projections.
If that "coach" is vastly overrated by anyone not on BRO, then I am very scared.
Look, I hope they play well and I expect a better season but if they get passed Cal in good shape, then I will believe in them.
I'm just not going to be a part of a fundamentally amateurish operation. And I'm not going to bother everybody here by going crazy over it. I'll watch completely dispassionately, and let the chips fall.
I heard we know how to practice now. How refreshing.
I have been really positive about UCLA football because of our 2008 recruiting class and because we really should be good this year.
But we just won't be as good as we should be until that coach suddenly changes his personality or he is gone.
If the stress is getting to him already...
I'm so disappointed.
Down's kids have a steeper learning curve.
Terry Donahue may not have been Knute Rockne, but comparing his record to Dorrell's is, frankly, a joke.
Comparing Donahue to Dorrell is a downright insult. And it's wrong. And fraudulent. And insane.
But if Terry Donahue was an underachiever, what is Dorrell?
Give him this year as a test to see if he is the guy.
Now you want the older guy!
Uhhhh, I mean let's hire Steve Sarkisian!
Karl Dorrell = non-achiever
>> Tomko went back over video of Tuesday night's loss and compared it to last year, when he started the season 5-1. He said he spotted mechanical flaws that made him "look like a completely different pitcher." <<
http://tinyurl.com/2gl438
Which does us no darn good and explains neither why Colletti signed him in the first place nor why Little continues to run him out there in the second place, though it does help explain why the Dodgers are idling in third place.
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