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Dodgers Shed Tomko
2007-08-24 14:36
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

From 1998 to 2005, Brett Tomko had one above-average season. On January 3, 2006, the Dodgers somehow thought it would be worth committing $8.7 million over two seasons, plus at least another $1 million to buy out a third-season option, in the hopes that Tomko could have one more good campaign.

Today, the Dodgers finally admitted it isn't going to happen, designating Tomko for assignment with just a week to go before rosters expand.

Also, the David Wells signing became official today - the Dodgers just sent out the press release.

"David is an established veteran and has a long track record of success," said Dodger general manger Ned Colletti. "He's a true competitor who has pitched well down the stretch numerous times, and we believe he can do so again this season."

* * *

Today's 4:10 p.m. game:

Gameday

Retro Gameday

Comments (440)
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2007-08-24 14:44:59
1.   Vishal
so they're still on the hook for the rest of the $9.7 million, i take it?
2007-08-24 14:47:19
2.   paranoidandroid
Ror those who didn't believe, here is the link: http://insidethedodgers.mlblogs.com/

I wish Brett and his family good luck in the future. I can't see him signing with anyone else, no matter how desperate they are for pitching.

I don't get the fuss about DFAing him before rosters expand, we need to leave some innings for Giovanni Carrerra in September.

2007-08-24 14:47:51
3.   regfairfield
2 Yep. I do kind of like how the option was a mutual option though.
2007-08-24 14:48:53
4.   Eric Enders
Well, don't feel too sorry for him. He's still married to a Playmate.
2007-08-24 14:48:59
5.   Terry A
WOO HOO!

The only downside, of course, is that it's David Wells taking his place, and not Houlton or another cheap, young pitcher with some promise (and no gout).

2007-08-24 14:49:23
6.   Jon Weisman
1 - If the original contract terms were reported correctly, yes.
2007-08-24 14:49:29
7.   regfairfield
2 We just signed David Wells, there's teams that are desperate enough.

I have one of the higher opinions of Tomko here, since his peripherals aren't terrible. He'd be a better option for the bullpen than Hernandez.

2007-08-24 14:50:24
8.   Bluebleeder87
from last thread → 244. Bluebleeder87
I wonder how it all goes down:

1) do they slip him a note?
2) does Grady pull out a bottle of Vodka & "have a talk with Tomko
3) does Grady simply tell Tomko he's been DFA? (ouch)
4) none of the above

2007-08-24 14:50:40
9.   paranoidandroid
1 The posters here are still feeding the Tomko family, the Odalis Perez family, the Jose Cruz Jr. family, the Brady Clark family, the Eric Gagne family, the M. Anderson family, and ... did I miss anyone else? Does Bill Mueller count or is he earning his 4.5 mil? Oh yeah, all the DL guys are getting paid too.
2007-08-24 14:52:09
10.   paranoidandroid
8 I think Grady paints him a pretty note in watercolors.
2007-08-24 14:52:45
11.   overkill94
It's better to DFA Tomko than let him rot in the bullpen because with the latter you still have the temptation to use him in an actual game
2007-08-24 14:53:01
12.   LogikReader
9

Maybe that's why the Dodgers have a 115+ Million payroll

2007-08-24 14:53:22
13.   Terry A
8 - I think the team doctor hands him a brochure: "So You're Going to be DFA'd."
2007-08-24 14:53:29
14.   goofus
The Pads sign him and he gets payback on us a couple of times before the year is over....
2007-08-24 14:53:52
15.   Eric Enders
8 "Brett, I have good news and bad news."
"What's the good news?"
"Your Labor Day weekend is free."
2007-08-24 14:54:34
16.   Bluebleeder87
(7 )

Tomko had some horrendous relief appearances but I haven't looked at the overall #'s to say he was extremely bad in relief.

2007-08-24 14:54:47
17.   paranoidandroid
LogikReader

Do you have a link for Boingo on the Gong Show?

2007-08-24 14:55:16
18.   Wilbert Robinson
http://tinyurl.com/2sapkv
2007-08-24 14:55:58
19.   overkill94
In other DFA news, it's being reported that the Braves are about to let Wells look-alike Bob Wickman go
2007-08-24 14:56:02
20.   paranoidandroid
What is so surprising is how supportive Grady has been of Tomko this week with quotes like "He's one of our five starters right now. But things can change.."
2007-08-24 14:56:55
21.   LogikReader
17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTRd1a5MVMw

enjoy :)

2007-08-24 14:58:18
22.   LogikReader
overkill, if you saw what happened yesterday, you'd be inclined to do the same. Adam Dunn CRUSHED his last pitch halfway up the bleachers to beat him in extra innings.
2007-08-24 14:58:36
23.   regfairfield
16 Small sample size. As a reliever he strikes out nine per nine and cuts down his walk rate. The only blemish is the four bombs he gave up 24 innings this year. He would not be a bad guy to have around.
2007-08-24 14:58:53
24.   LogikReader
so!

When shall we be picking up Mr. Wickman for our roster?

ah, just kidding, everyone

2007-08-24 15:02:32
25.   Wilbert Robinson
18 = Tomko painting.
2007-08-24 15:09:13
26.   Bob Timmermann
Wow, somebody bought my UCLA-ASU tickets.

But they're local. No exotic location like Snohomish or Lindon.

2007-08-24 15:09:43
27.   Greg Brock
If Colletti couldn't use the term "established veteran" once a week I think his head would explode.

It's a pressure that builds up. He has to relieve it.

2007-08-24 15:12:59
28.   trainwreck
AWESOME!
2007-08-24 15:13:01
29.   Terry A
27 - Curiously, there is no quote from Colletti regarding character.
2007-08-24 15:14:06
30.   Eric Enders
27 "It's a pressure that builds up. He has to relieve it."

He and Grady and Plaschke should have, say, a contest. See who can go the longest without saying "established veteran."

2007-08-24 15:14:58
31.   Humma Kavula
27 29 Somebody should compile all of the Colletti quotes about established veteranness and character and make it a matching game. "Who was Colletti talking about when he said......"
2007-08-24 15:20:19
32.   bearlurker
I think Tomko is a serviceable, albeit expensive, reliever. I'd have DFA'ed Hernandez instead.
2007-08-24 15:21:03
33.   Humma Kavula
31 Ya know, I take that back. It's not really fair. It's probably Josh who's writing those quotes and sending them to Ned for approval. There's only so much he can do.

I often write quotes for others. If I had a nickel for every time I wrote the words "I'm thrilled," I'd be thrilled.

2007-08-24 15:23:21
34.   Tangled Up in Blue
I think we are only on the hook for the rest of this year and the $1M buyout.
2007-08-24 15:25:13
35.   Kevin Lewis
Brett,

I wish you well. If you can restart your career, than great...but it won't be with us anymore.

2007-08-24 15:25:22
36.   Tangled Up in Blue
we = the Dodgers
2007-08-24 15:26:08
37.   underdog
Tomko was pretty terrible in relief this season, IIRC... He showed some promise last season as someone who could be a decent late innings guy, with that oft-mentioned great "stuff" he has, and he obviously can be good for an inning or two or three as a starter, but is too prone to bad innings whether starting or relieving so I agree with overkill, better he's gone completely than they be tempted or stuck having to use him.
2007-08-24 15:26:43
38.   ToyCannon
14
I agree, it wouldn't shock me at all. Considering what teams are using for 5th starters
http://www.truebluela.com/admin/story/2007/8/24/13197/7834
Tomko should find employment soon.
2007-08-24 15:27:12
39.   berkowit28
32 I agree. Tomko could be used for a couple innings of relief now and again, if everyone else is tired. He can do as well as Proctor some days, and better than Hernandez. Some team may pick him up. The mistake was (having to) use him as a starter. Remember when he went out on a limb and said he hated being a reliever, though?
2007-08-24 15:27:31
40.   Bob Timmermann
Think of Ned's quotes as being similar to a once popular actor saying, "My first love was always the theater. Especially dinner theater."
2007-08-24 15:28:31
41.   dkminnick
7 32 - I concur. Tomko at least seems to be able to give you two decent innings once in a while. Hernandez can give you only one decent inning once in a while.

For the numbers people.

2007-08-24 15:28:56
42.   bearlurker
I wonder if Wells' appeal is denied before Sunday and who would start for the Dodgers if that happened.
2007-08-24 15:35:33
43.   FRM
Why do GM's refuse to embrace stats for batters like OBP and OPS? These stats do a solid job of predicting success in the big leagues. Take Jack Cust in Oakland, for example. For years his minor league stats demonstrated that he was capable of performing in the big leagues but he languished in the minors...If Colletti would crack open a Baseball Prospectus he may have avoided signing players such as Pierre and Hillebrand...Colletti could have further read up on pitchers and strike out ratios and realized that Tomko and Hendrickson were marginal players, at best.
2007-08-24 15:37:54
44.   King of the Hobos
This will be long! Sorry.

31 Despite you comment in 33 (which I'm fairly certain is correct), I felt bored enough to compile a list. Let's see if anyone can do this! I did not include any names or positions, but the rest of the quotes are left intact:

(1) "[He] is a very versatile outfielder who will add depth to our club," said Colletti. "He's shown that he can hit... His character and work ethic will only add to the positive atmosphere in the clubhouse."

(2) "[He] provides us with another experienced bat off the bench and from time to time he may be called on in a starting role," said Colletti. "He has tremendous makeup and will bring a lot to this club."

(3) "He already has a great reputation within the clubhouse and he has a very deep knowledge of our team and the rest of the league."

(4) "[He] is a proven offensive threat who will solidify the middle of the order," said Colletti. "He's a champion on and off the field and his veteran leadership is a huge part of what he brings to the table."

(5) "[He] is an established veteran and has a long track record of success," said Colletti. "He's a true competitor who has pitched well down the stretch numerous times and we believe he can do so again this season."

(6) "[He] is a veteran who can help our club in a lot of different ways," said Colletti. "As a former Gold Glove Award winner, he has a lot to offer [other players] and he'll be able to provide valuable leadership in the clubhouse. He's another local player who knows what it means to be a Dodger."

(7) "[He] is a versatile pitcher who has had success throughout his career out of the bullpen," said Colletti. "We expect him to help bolster our pitching staff."

(8) "[He] is a valuable addition to our club from the left side of the plate," said Colletti. "He's had a lot of success coming off the bench and has also had experience in the postseason."

(9) "[He] was a very valuable and versatile player for us this season," said Colletti. "He can fill several roles for the club and is a strong presence off the bench and in the clubhouse."

(10) "[His] ability to hit combined with his speed make him a perfect catalyst for our lineup," said Colletti. "His work ethic and character are second-to-none and he knows what it takes to win. He's dedicated to the community and I truly believe the city of Los Angeles is going to love this player."

Some of these should be pretty easy, but I guess we'll see. Sorry for the long post.

2007-08-24 15:38:09
45.   Bob Timmermann
The Mets are going to start a completely Old Friends-free lineup tonight.

Who will be the first Old Friend we see?

2007-08-24 15:38:33
46.   dzzrtRatt
Does anyone think a pennant contender in either league would be interested in Tomko? And why would a rebuilding team like a KC or TB bother with him? Like Jon says, the guy just has no track record. He is an un-established veteran. With Wells, the question is, "I wonder if he's got anything left." With Tomko, it's, "Did he ever really have anything?"

I don't think he'll pitch again this season, and at best he'll be a minor league invitee somewhere next Spring.

(This isn't to be cruel or anything. Tomko's managed to parlay whatever those skills were into a wonderful life, and I'm happy for him.)

2007-08-24 15:39:29
47.   Greg Brock
45 Marlon.
2007-08-24 15:39:54
48.   Bob Timmermann
2 is Sweeney
2007-08-24 15:42:12
49.   dzzrtRatt
(1) "[He] is a very versatile outfielder who will add depth to our club," said Colletti. "He's shown that he can hit... His character and work ethic will only add to the positive atmosphere in the clubhouse." LOFTON

(2) "[He] provides us with another experienced bat off the bench and from time to time he may be called on in a starting role," said Colletti. "He has tremendous makeup and will bring a lot to this club." SWEENEY

(3) "He already has a great reputation within the clubhouse and he has a very deep knowledge of our team and the rest of the league." SCHMIDT

(4) "[He] is a proven offensive threat who will solidify the middle of the order," said Colletti. "He's a champion on and off the field and his veteran leadership is a huge part of what he brings to the table." GONZO

(5) "[He] is an established veteran and has a long track record of success," said Colletti. "He's a true competitor who has pitched well down the stretch numerous times and we believe he can do so again this season." WELLS

(6) "[He] is a veteran who can help our club in a lot of different ways," said Colletti. "As a former Gold Glove Award winner, he has a lot to offer [other players] and he'll be able to provide valuable leadership in the clubhouse. He's another local player who knows what it means to be a Dodger." NOMAR

(7) "[He] is a versatile pitcher who has had success throughout his career out of the bullpen," said Colletti. "We expect him to help bolster our pitching staff." ROBERTO

(8) "[He] is a valuable addition to our club from the left side of the plate," said Colletti. "He's had a lot of success coming off the bench and has also had experience in the postseason." HILLENBRAND

(9) "[He] was a very valuable and versatile player for us this season," said Colletti. "He can fill several roles for the club and is a strong presence off the bench and in the clubhouse." OLMEDO

(10) "[His] ability to hit combined with his speed make him a perfect catalyst for our lineup," said Colletti. "His work ethic and character are second-to-none and he knows what it takes to win. He's dedicated to the community and I truly believe the city of Los Angeles is going to love this player." PIERRE

2007-08-24 15:42:30
50.   LogikReader
10 has to be Nomar
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2007-08-24 15:43:05
51.   dzzrtRatt
I knew someone had slipped my mind. 1) is Marlon not Lofton.
2007-08-24 15:43:14
52.   FRM
Actually, I could see a team like the Braves picking up Tomko. Their pitching is a mess. Tomko is one of those guys that pitching coaches think they can turn around...he should be better than he is.
2007-08-24 15:43:24
53.   LogikReader
50 I take that back
2007-08-24 15:43:27
54.   Bob Timmermann
8 can't be Hillenbrand unless I've been watching every Dodgers game in a mirror.
2007-08-24 15:43:29
55.   delias man
Wow, ease up on the Bob bashing. He stinks equally, but let's focus on the positive for today. that being Tomko cut, and this great lineup tonight.
2007-08-24 15:44:35
56.   dzzrtRatt
52 Yes, but not now. Maybe next spring.

Baltimore is where Mazzone lives, so that's another possibility.

2007-08-24 15:44:45
57.   Bob Timmermann
55
Oh, you were referring to Mr. Wickman.

Continue bashing me.

2007-08-24 15:45:07
58.   zman15
Good Riddance! Can't tell you how many times I've cursed when he's pitched!
PS-Also have tickets for Sunday eve-no guarantees but at least we have a chance! One of my friends refused to go if Tomko pitched!
2007-08-24 15:45:08
59.   Bluebleeder87
45

we all know the magician we'll make his presence known.

2007-08-24 15:45:37
60.   Disabled List
44 That is awesome. It's obvious that Colletti has making good use of the random praise generator at www.provenveterans.com.
2007-08-24 15:46:09
61.   Xeifrank
Wells = Tomko, the grass is always greener on the other side. vr, Xei
2007-08-24 15:46:22
62.   Bluebleeder87
9 has to be Sweeney for 49
2007-08-24 15:46:53
63.   LogikReader
So a magician and a bison walk into a bar...
2007-08-24 15:48:51
64.   dzzrtRatt
Does it seem schizophrenic that Ethier would go from the bench to batting fifth in the order?

This lineup seems like Grady Little making a concession. To whom?

I wouldn't be at all surprised if McCourt had something to do with this lineup, and that, through Rawitch, you all had something to do with persuading him.

2007-08-24 15:52:58
65.   King of the Hobos
49 You got 2, 4, 5, and 10 right, the other 6 are all wrong (which includes your correction in 51 ).
2007-08-24 15:56:36
66.   Kevin Lewis
3) is Mueller?
2007-08-24 16:00:39
67.   Sam DC
I've just got to say, that collection of quotes is amazing.
2007-08-24 16:02:14
68.   King of the Hobos
66 Yes, and I promise he's the only non-player on that list.
2007-08-24 16:03:47
69.   Greg Brock
67 Yeah, it's pretty depressing. Nice work, KotH.
2007-08-24 16:04:04
70.   Bluebleeder87
From yesterday [ http://blog.nbx.com/dave_stewart/index.html ]

I hope they keep all of our young stars away from David Wells, He's the apposite of what we want our young stars to become.

2007-08-24 16:04:16
71.   ImprobableImpossible
44
Great post. I'll give it a whirl.

1. Clark
2. Sweeney
3. Mueller
4. Gonzalez
5. Wells
6. Lieberthal
7. Proctor
8. Anderson
9. Hillenbrand
10. Pierre

2007-08-24 16:06:16
72.   Lexinthedena
Tomko had a good relationship with Dave Duncan no?
2007-08-24 16:06:18
73.   King of the Hobos
71 Very close, but you missed 7 and 9.
2007-08-24 16:09:59
74.   Bluebleeder87
must be hispanic day in New York (Los) in the Uni's.
2007-08-24 16:10:26
75.   jasonungar07
Oh man you guys are so funny.
2007-08-24 16:13:38
76.   FRM
great slide
2007-08-24 16:13:46
77.   Sam in SC
ok, give it up for pierre. he did a great job avoiding that tag. even if he was out of the lane.
2007-08-24 16:15:09
78.   Bluebleeder87
ugh!
2007-08-24 16:15:45
79.   Andrew Shimmin
That was a little Hillenbrand-y. Except it was only one out.
2007-08-24 16:15:48
80.   underdog
Argh, Matt, what are ya swinging at!

That was a great slide by Pierre, even if he should've been called out, yeah.

2007-08-24 16:16:25
81.   Bluebleeder87
Kemp needs to lay off those OBVIOUS balls, something he will learn with more playing time.
2007-08-24 16:16:48
82.   Sam in SC
79 - it wasn't quite that nasty ;)
2007-08-24 16:17:51
83.   Sam DC
7. Saito?

9. Lucille II?

2007-08-24 16:18:03
84.   underdog
That looked like a strike on the 3-1 pitch to Kent. I won't complain when the Dodgers actually catch a break. Let's go, Dre!
2007-08-24 16:18:43
85.   ucladodger
82

It was one of his worst at bats this year. He let the 2 hittable pitches go (should have been called out) and whiffed badly on 2 balls nowhere near the zone. He'll learn.

2007-08-24 16:18:50
86.   Sam DC
Also, kinda surprised no Maddux quote.
2007-08-24 16:18:56
87.   Sam in SC
that was a pitch to hit
2007-08-24 16:19:16
88.   Bluebleeder87
our collective Dodger Thoughts Mojo should do in Oliver Perez.
2007-08-24 16:19:36
89.   Sam in SC
good heavens. that was right down broadway
2007-08-24 16:20:21
90.   underdog
Hopefully Dre and Kemp won't be riding the pines tomorrow for their first at bats tonight. ;-)
2007-08-24 16:21:01
91.   ucladodger
what a wasted chance
2007-08-24 16:21:13
92.   MMSMikey
a classic dodger inning
2007-08-24 16:21:14
93.   Sam in SC
85 - ah, I was just comparing strike three to hillenbrand's game ending K . . .

argh. bases loaded with one out, and no love.

2007-08-24 16:21:27
94.   Bluebleeder87
Kemp should take notes from Russell Martin on how to approach an at bat.
2007-08-24 16:22:08
95.   underdog
On the plus side, got Perez to toss 23 pitches in the first. (Just trying to look at the one bright spot.)
2007-08-24 16:23:14
96.   scareduck
Attack of the killer LOBsters.
2007-08-24 16:24:34
97.   ucladodger
wow, Penny wasnt even close on those 4.
2007-08-24 16:24:39
98.   underdog
Are these Penny's warm up pitches? They don't count, right?
2007-08-24 16:24:51
99.   King of the Hobos
83 7 no, 9 yes

86 For some reason he wasn't in the press release archives, which for simplicity's sake, is where I got all those quotes.

2007-08-24 16:25:12
100.   scareduck
Four straight balls. Bad Penny, no biscuit.
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2007-08-24 16:25:30
101.   ryu
It's so weird to see Wells in a Dodgers uniform. But I guess you can say that about seeing any new guy on the squad for the first time.
2007-08-24 16:25:49
102.   Bluebleeder87
it looks like this ump is gonna have a small strike zone, Penny doesn't look to sharp right now, hopefully it's just a matter of his arm getting loose
2007-08-24 16:26:41
103.   MMSMikey
typical. here we go.
2007-08-24 16:26:53
104.   Sam DC
"Bring back Brett Tomko." -- USS Mariner, 8/24/07

http://tinyurl.com/3b63n8

2007-08-24 16:27:12
105.   scareduck
I smell another choke job coming right up.
2007-08-24 16:27:27
106.   underdog
Argh. I just remembered how bad Penny's been in NY in his career. Dunno why, but he stinks at Shea. They really need him to get his act together tonight.
2007-08-24 16:29:50
107.   Sam in SC
102 - isn't Mcclelland known for that?
2007-08-24 16:30:23
108.   bryanf
Finally!
2007-08-24 16:31:41
109.   underdog
How was that bunt attempt not a strike?
2007-08-24 16:32:54
110.   still bevens
22 pitches, no outs
2007-08-24 16:35:08
111.   Sam in SC
whoa. killer throw by martin!
2007-08-24 16:35:18
112.   Bluebleeder87
ha! why run on Russel, to 3rd no less.
2007-08-24 16:35:30
113.   Andrew Shimmin
There we go. That's a really Hillenbrand-y strikeout.
2007-08-24 16:35:44
114.   underdog
Goway Gotay!
2007-08-24 16:36:32
115.   Sam in SC
okay. decent damage control. I am much less suicidal right now.
2007-08-24 16:36:47
116.   underdog
Whew. That could've been a lot worse.
2007-08-24 16:36:53
117.   scareduck
Well, now, that wasn't so painful, was it?
2007-08-24 16:37:14
118.   Bluebleeder87
1 run scored only, hopefully Oliver Perez stays wild.
2007-08-24 16:37:30
119.   Bob Timmermann
I'm certain Ron Darling has established the moral superiority of the Mets over the Dodgers after the first inning.
2007-08-24 16:40:05
120.   Bluebleeder87
are you guys hearing the SNY feed? there announcers are trying to break down Pennys delivery. They should help out Oliver he hasn't exactly been "rosie"
2007-08-24 16:40:49
121.   Sam in SC
120 - they are total homers.
2007-08-24 16:42:23
122.   ucladodger
Anyone know how hard Perez is throwing?Everybody had been late on his fastball and it looks like it has a nice jump to it. Of course KCAL has no gun.
2007-08-24 16:42:33
123.   Lexinthedena
119- I wish I could listen to the other team's announcers once in a while.....seems like it could let you in on a little of the flava of the opposing team's baseball culture....

Not suprised to hear that they are talking ish though....the 70's and 80's created serious Dodger hate...

2007-08-24 16:43:17
124.   underdog
Perez's little "That's a strike," walk off the mound routine is pretty irritating. Especially when it's not a strike.
2007-08-24 16:43:47
125.   Bob Timmermann
Eric Enders will stop by soon to tell us why we should all love Ron Darling.

But I think that's the love that dare not analyze baseball!

2007-08-24 16:44:24
126.   underdog
I'm just glad my sound card is still busted at work so I don't have to listen to the SKY announcers.
2007-08-24 16:44:45
127.   Bluebleeder87
give Penny some water!
2007-08-24 16:45:27
128.   ucladodger
if that wasnt out ace pitcher almost injuring himself, i would have been on the floor laughing at that.
2007-08-24 16:45:48
129.   underdog
Hah. That's hilarious. They still almost got Penny on that very wild pitch. I think they did that on purpose to have Penny run down the baseline and maybe pull something.
2007-08-24 16:45:55
130.   Lexinthedena
Penny has a funny run...
2007-08-24 16:47:01
131.   King of the Hobos
If anyone's curious, the answers to 44 are:
1 Clark
2 Sweeney
3 Mueller
4 Gonzo
5 Wells
6 Lieberthal
7 Dessens
8 Anderson
9 Martinez
10 Pierre
2007-08-24 16:48:55
132.   Bluebleeder87
131

wow, I missed #9 from me to you, I'm kind of P.O'ed the Dodger Bats didn't let Oliver Perez make some more pitches.

2007-08-24 16:49:54
133.   ImprobableImpossible
Dessens! Pretty sneaky, sis.
2007-08-24 16:53:17
134.   Lexinthedena
A little sad to see Delgado on the decline...Admire an athlete who has it in him to speak out even if he knows it could cost him popularity points....
2007-08-24 16:53:52
135.   The Mootz
74. Nice uni's for the Mets. Kind of reminds me of Los Ohio State University.
2007-08-24 16:54:06
136.   underdog
Those are all pretty amusing quotes, but fairly typical PR-speak for whenever a new player comes in. We've probably heard hundreds of variations on those same quotes from other sports franchises... Never would have guessed Dessens - yikes.
2007-08-24 16:56:03
137.   underdog
That was a lame hit.
2007-08-24 16:56:10
138.   Lexinthedena
C'mon Brad...he had no chance with the heat...
2007-08-24 16:56:12
139.   Ken Noe
135 In honor of the fiftieth anniversary of Brooklyn's departure, the Mets are also moving to Los Angeles.
2007-08-24 16:58:15
140.   Bluebleeder87
Los Angeles sounds WAY better though.
2007-08-24 16:59:06
141.   ImprobableImpossible
Los Angeles Los Mets
2007-08-24 16:59:10
142.   Bob Timmermann
139
If that creates another generation of weepy, self-flagellating New Yorkers, then it will be all worth the trouble!

Who will be the chronicler of the old Mets stories and will overly romanticize them?

I nominate Jeff Pearlman.

2007-08-24 17:00:15
143.   Lexinthedena
Reggeton.....

Would drive me crazy if I had to hear it blasted at all the Mets games....and it's not just because it's "Latin" night....

Calle 13 is the only decent reggeton act I have heard....

2007-08-24 17:00:29
144.   underdog
Officially old: Geico caveman.

Even if he's in the stands at Shea.

2007-08-24 17:01:01
145.   The Mootz
Unfortunately, Pierre also has 46 multiple fly out games.
2007-08-24 17:01:19
146.   underdog
Bison needs to atone for his first at bat here.
2007-08-24 17:01:33
147.   Bluebleeder87
Steiner "& he drills it to left center field" on Pierre's little fly ball to CF.
2007-08-24 17:01:37
148.   Lexinthedena
142- Wistful stories of Kieth Hernandez and Lenny Dykstra fighting over who get's the last rail...

oh wait, he already wrote that book....

2007-08-24 17:02:07
149.   Dodgers49
46. Does anyone think a pennant contender in either league would be interested in Tomko? And why would a rebuilding team like a KC or TB bother with him?

You guys are overlooking the fact that Tomko just watched video since his last start and noticed some mechanical flaws that are easily correctable. We were going to see a new Tomko on Sunday. Now some other team will reap all those benefits.

2007-08-24 17:02:51
150.   underdog
And... he does!
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2007-08-24 17:02:56
151.   ucladodger
watching Kemp run is really a pleasure.
2007-08-24 17:03:37
152.   Bob Timmermann
Phillies 3, Padres 2 in the 4th.
2007-08-24 17:04:10
153.   Lexinthedena
Has to be the best run in baseball....

there has to be a teamate willing to do a Matt Kemp triple during a rain delay...

Eric Neel will be writing an article about it soon....

2007-08-24 17:04:47
154.   Bluebleeder87
Kemp has little wings on his shoes.
2007-08-24 17:04:51
155.   Marty
Steve Lyons needs to shut up.
2007-08-24 17:05:34
156.   bhsportsguy
I miss Dutch Rennert. There was an umpire who told you it was a strike.
2007-08-24 17:05:44
157.   underdog
Kent wasn't too helpful to Kemp on that passed ball. Good thing it was obvious.
2007-08-24 17:06:00
158.   Bob Timmermann
155
Anything in particular? Or is that just a standing order?
2007-08-24 17:06:15
159.   bhsportsguy
155 Still here, yeah.
2007-08-24 17:06:17
160.   Ken Noe
155 So does Ron Darling complaining about Wes Parker making the all-glove team.
2007-08-24 17:07:41
161.   Sam in SC
ugly word, ugly word, ugly word.
2007-08-24 17:07:42
162.   ucladodger
Ethier with the dunce cap so far tonight...
2007-08-24 17:08:09
163.   Lexinthedena
Is Ethier gonna be that guy tonight?
2007-08-24 17:08:20
164.   underdog
{rule 1 violation}
2007-08-24 17:08:22
165.   bhsportsguy
160 Poor Keith Hernandez, now he only has the Seinfeld episode and Rogaine commercials to his name.
2007-08-24 17:08:24
166.   Bluebleeder87
Ethier is having a day he'd better soon forget (so far)
2007-08-24 17:08:48
167.   underdog
160 You're kidding. Seriously? Again, glad I have no sound.
2007-08-24 17:08:53
168.   bhsportsguy
C'mon guys, its early.
2007-08-24 17:10:21
169.   nofatmike
160 Who would Darling prefer?
2007-08-24 17:10:52
170.   Gen3Blue
Wow, looks like Kemp got to third w/one out.
Ohh, too bad.
2007-08-24 17:10:52
171.   King of the Hobos
Did we ever determine whether Wickman's DFA was official? Because now it is. I really hope Ned doesn't use September as an excuse to sign him.
2007-08-24 17:11:52
172.   Marty
158 Him going on about how many players purposely stop at second because they don't like triples.
2007-08-24 17:12:12
173.   underdog
Man, I really am sick of Reyes, he's such a pest.
2007-08-24 17:12:15
174.   preacherroe
123- Be careful what you ask for. Listening to the Dodgers on XM has given me a tour of everybody's crew. While there a few good impartial crews; there are a lot of homers (Skip Carey of the Braves is gruesome) and lames (listening to Mike Shannon of the Cards is like when SWAT teams blast holed up perps with Slayer cd's until they give up.)Thank the baseball gods for Vin Scully.
2007-08-24 17:12:17
175.   bhsportsguy
After taking pitches in the first go around, 3 pitches, 3 swings.
2007-08-24 17:12:27
176.   Bob Timmermann
Wickman is gone:

http://tinyurl.com/22bcut

2007-08-24 17:12:37
177.   ucladodger
Loney is a baller...
2007-08-24 17:12:50
178.   Bluebleeder87
well at least the SNY brass are pimping our youth (Russell & Loney.
2007-08-24 17:12:53
179.   MMSMikey
this game is getting unwatchable
2007-08-24 17:13:02
180.   underdog
Oh MAN. That was sweet! Loney rocks.
2007-08-24 17:13:21
181.   Jim Hitchcock
Bob, closed on my duplex in Carson City today...anytime your up here, you've got a place to stay.
2007-08-24 17:13:25
182.   Gen3Blue
What a play Loney!
2007-08-24 17:13:45
183.   Sam in SC
168 - "it's a marathon, not a sprint."

- signed,
Eric Karros

2007-08-24 17:14:10
184.   bhsportsguy
At least that was a quick inning, probably 10 pitches.
2007-08-24 17:14:14
185.   still bevens
If anything Penny didnt have to work hard in that inning. We need to take advantage of Perez's stuggles.
2007-08-24 17:14:29
186.   Bob Timmermann
169
Presumably, Darling would want his teammate and broadcast partner Keith Hernandez to win.

The Gold Gloves are a joke. Having the fans vote for alltime Gold Glove winners compounds the joke and lets some people believe that Derek Jeter is the second best fielding shortstop ever.

It is a traveshamocracy!

2007-08-24 17:16:04
187.   Lexinthedena
This is going to be a gut wrenching stretch run...

thank jah for fantasy football....

2007-08-24 17:16:05
188.   Gen3Blue
Neither Pierre of Furcal creates the scoring situations of Reyes, who is arguably facing the better pitcher. If we could get a lead-off like him...
2007-08-24 17:17:02
189.   underdog
This game should really be tied - given the Dodgers' opps so far. On the other hand, it could also be a lot worse.
2007-08-24 17:17:15
190.   ssjames
Greg Miller is up to his old tricks again, through three innings he hasn't given up a hit, he has also K'd 5 batters, but he has walked 7 and also hit a batter. Man, if we could somehow control his wildness he could still be a star, but right now he just seems completely lost.
2007-08-24 17:17:46
191.   nofatmike
186 Darling's just bitter that he got knocked out of Game 7 early in 1988.
2007-08-24 17:19:52
192.   bhsportsguy
186 You need a vacation, maybe someplace with trees and lakes or a river or the ocean.
2007-08-24 17:20:15
194.   Ken Noe
169 186 Bob is correct. Hernandez actually was quite gracious--said his dad used to have him watch Parker to see how to play the position. But then Darling went off on "who was stuffing the ballots."
2007-08-24 17:21:51
195.   Bluebleeder87
wow, 75 pitches for Perez, Oliver
2007-08-24 17:22:01
196.   Lexinthedena
Penny has a better approach at the plate than a lot of the position players....
2007-08-24 17:22:41
197.   Gen3Blue
Something is making this Paris look like Sandy at the moment. To have a chance, we need Penny to get in the zone by pitch 60, and get Paris out of hear by about the fifth. Make him throw.
2007-08-24 17:22:42
198.   Bob Timmermann
192
Vacation?
All I ever wanted.
Vacation?
I had to get away.
2007-08-24 17:23:27
200.   Bluebleeder87
193

I hear ya, Herm, the 1st pitch he swung at was horrid.

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2007-08-24 17:24:21
201.   Bob Timmermann
If Hillenbrand weren't playing third, there would be a lot of singles to left though.
2007-08-24 17:25:43
202.   Lexinthedena
202- Jose Reyes would break a record or tow....

what's the record for triples in a game?

2007-08-24 17:25:54
203.   Ken Noe
198 Bob Welch and Mike Marshall knew that song well.
2007-08-24 17:29:03
204.   Bob Timmermann
Two players in the 19th century had four triples in one game.

The last player to get three in a game is in uniform tonight!

2007-08-24 17:29:17
205.   Andrew Shimmin
202- Looks like three. Held by twelve players.

http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/gu78

2007-08-24 17:29:53
206.   Andrew Shimmin
Stupid 19th century, always ruining everything.
2007-08-24 17:30:02
207.   Gen3Blue
Penny is pitching just like Tomko tonight.
2007-08-24 17:30:53
208.   Bob Timmermann
205
Andrew is not a member of either the George Strief or Bill Joyce Marching and Chowder Society.
2007-08-24 17:31:41
209.   Bob Timmermann
207
No home runs yet, so it's not Tomko-esque.
2007-08-24 17:32:33
210.   bhsportsguy
If there was a split of how Brad pitches when the temperature is 75 degrees or lower at start time, I bet that would show some interesting stats.
2007-08-24 17:34:15
211.   Bluebleeder87
we need to get some timely hits.
2007-08-24 17:38:13
212.   Bluebleeder87
we should get to Oliver Perez in this inning he's made So many pitches already, we'll Furcal ain't helping with swings like that.
2007-08-24 17:38:56
213.   Sam in SC
I am about to turn the sound off.
2007-08-24 17:40:35
214.   Sam in SC
matt kemp just violated rule #1.
2007-08-24 17:40:39
215.   Sam DC
Is there a cooler Gameday photo than Matt Kemp.

(It's not Reed Johnson and the marmot, I know that.)

2007-08-24 17:40:49
216.   bhsportsguy
I think Matt just made a Rule 1 violation.
2007-08-24 17:40:52
217.   underdog
Darnit, that was a pitch to hit out.
2007-08-24 17:41:49
218.   Lexinthedena
216-Violated the hell out of it...
2007-08-24 17:42:45
219.   Sam in SC
218 - salad fork, or dinner fork?
2007-08-24 17:43:15
220.   Lexinthedena
210- Shouldn't have let Ross Porter go....
2007-08-24 17:44:27
221.   Sam in SC
220 - porter was a hack. I almost never understood him. he always swallwd hs terminl syllabls.
2007-08-24 17:44:37
222.   ucladodger
217

thats what i love about Kemp. He's not afraid to show frustration, and at the same time sends a message of "You got extremely lucky on that one" to the pitcher. Just adds more flavor to the game.

2007-08-24 17:44:48
223.   Sam DC
Nationals press says tonight's Jeff Francis v. Shawn Hill matchup is of a kind that hasn't happened in more than seven years.

What is unique about those guys, and when was the last time this happened?

2007-08-24 17:45:16
224.   Lexinthedena
221- Mmmm hmmm
2007-08-24 17:45:44
225.   Sam in SC
heck, heck, heck
2007-08-24 17:45:54
226.   Bluebleeder87
just an observation but Matt Kemp (at times) doesn't let the ball get deep into the hitting zone & can look bad because of it, specially on curves.

ps what do some people call it?, pitch recognition

2007-08-24 17:47:18
227.   Lexinthedena
Is "deep in the strike zone" the buzz phrase of '07?
2007-08-24 17:47:25
228.   Zak
209 Nice timing :)
2007-08-24 17:48:01
229.   Lexinthedena
or is it "hitting zone"...
2007-08-24 17:48:44
230.   Bluebleeder87
Oliver Perez is doing it with smoke & mirrors (& lack of patients from the Dodger side) how many pitches does Oliver Perez have, I'm sure it's around 90+ or there abouts.
2007-08-24 17:48:59
231.   Lexinthedena
226- I was directing that snarkism at Steve Lyons not you....
2007-08-24 17:49:35
232.   Andrew Shimmin
223- Two Canadian starting pitchers?
2007-08-24 17:50:06
233.   Bluebleeder87
229

I think it's "strike zone" hitting zone is all me. :o)

2007-08-24 17:50:06
234.   bhsportsguy
223 See Ryan Dempster and Mike Johnson
2007-08-24 17:50:22
235.   ucladodger
226

He does tend to jump at the ball. On the double he hit, he let the ball come to him nicely, and it was a fastball. It seems like he is getting geared up for the fastball, and thus is getting a little ahead of himself. The pitch he missed was a hanging breaking ball and he was just out in front. He was way out ahead on the 2 change ups he swung at in the dirt, which is expected if he is gearing up.

2007-08-24 17:50:54
236.   bhsportsguy
232 That's good if you did not look it up, heck that's good if you did look it up like me.
2007-08-24 17:51:06
237.   Bluebleeder87
231

It's all good Lex.

2007-08-24 17:51:27
238.   fracule
For all you kids out there..
don't chew tobacco.
Let Moises Alou's giant gum tumor be a warning to you.
2007-08-24 17:52:51
239.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres hitting onslaught continues. They lead the Phillies 8-3.
2007-08-24 17:53:54
240.   Marty
David Wright is pretty good.
2007-08-24 17:53:56
241.   Lexinthedena
What a play...

Mets have good juju tonight....

2007-08-24 17:54:14
242.   underdog
A bad at bat again from Andre, and then I thought he should've beaten that out. Sigh. Now he'll probably be benched again.
2007-08-24 17:54:24
243.   Bluebleeder87
wow, Ethier is a pretty bad runner uh, I never noticed until now.
2007-08-24 17:54:49
244.   bhsportsguy
If Perez doesn't tip, I don't know if Wright could have made that play.
2007-08-24 17:55:24
245.   Bluebleeder87
man, Russell is the freaking man, I love everything about the guy.
2007-08-24 17:55:32
246.   bhsportsguy
243 Speed is not part of his game.
2007-08-24 17:55:43
247.   underdog
How have we not scored any runs off this guy? Sheesh.
2007-08-24 17:55:53
248.   Sam in SC
jeez. just not our night
2007-08-24 17:56:00
249.   fracule
Good thing Loney is protected by Hillenbrand.
2007-08-24 17:56:09
250.   MMSMikey
like pulling teeth watching this game.
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2007-08-24 17:56:42
251.   Bluebleeder87
watching the Padres @ Mets yesterday David Wright is a pretty bad 3rd baseman but he's having an o.k. game so far today with the leather.
2007-08-24 17:56:44
252.   Bob Timmermann
250
My God! He's been possessed by Yoda!
2007-08-24 17:56:50
253.   underdog
And repeat 240 241 .
2007-08-24 17:56:55
254.   bhsportsguy
Hey, at least the Dodger game will lead off Sportscenter.
2007-08-24 17:57:22
255.   ScoobyGoo
this david wright guy is kinda good
2007-08-24 17:59:29
256.   underdog
252 Possessed, he is.
2007-08-24 18:00:08
257.   Sam DC
Sorry, yeah, the Canadian thing was right.
2007-08-24 18:00:37
258.   underdog
254 No, whoever the Red Sox are playing will.
2007-08-24 18:03:51
259.   bhsportsguy
Okay, have fun, gotta run.
2007-08-24 18:05:07
260.   underdog
Just for Bob, SkyNY is showing archival footage with whiny words about Ebbets Field.
2007-08-24 18:05:51
261.   underdog
Man, I thought Shea had hit that one out of Shea, instead it's a lazy fly ball. I'm turning into Charlie Steiner with my eyesight here.
2007-08-24 18:06:13
262.   Gen3Blue
209 You're right. When Penny put the first two men on in the fourth(or maybe fifth) he did get out of it, and no HRs at that point.

But when your best pitcher WALKS the Mets lead-off man, probably the best in the league, to start the game, you have to suspect it's going to be a long night.

2007-08-24 18:07:29
263.   underdog
113 pitches for Perez.

Who would win a footrace - Olmedo or David Wells?

2007-08-24 18:08:41
264.   underdog
Oh well, getting the Tomato off the base paths isn't a tragedy I guess. But two outs.
2007-08-24 18:09:38
265.   Zak
263 If the race is over a hundred feet, they both wouldn't make it.
2007-08-24 18:10:58
266.   ucladodger
Even when Pierre hits the ball hard in the air its totally useless. He put a "charge" into that one and it was just a routine fly ball. He needs to get the Willie Mays Hayes treatment.
2007-08-24 18:11:22
267.   Bluebleeder87
I'll take a page out of Alisa Milano & say Oliver Perez isn't winning this game the Dodgers are losing this game, we still have some more at bats but, wow.
2007-08-24 18:11:39
268.   underdog
Even when Pierre rips one, they still get out. Just not their night. Given how bad Penny's been at Shea, this could've been worse, too, but the Dodgers offense has been kaput. I can only stay for one more inning, alas.

The worrisome thing, too, is how they have such a bad record it seems in Fox national broadcasts, so I don't hold out much hope for tomorrow, either.

2007-08-24 18:12:22
269.   underdog
265 The 10 yard dash?

(Or amble, or lumber...)

2007-08-24 18:13:00
270.   underdog
It's nice to see highlights from the Mets broadcast propaganda machine. Not.
2007-08-24 18:18:35
271.   Zak
269 Wells should win the 10 yard dash, since all he needs is a couple of steps and his belly should be over the finish line.
2007-08-24 18:20:09
272.   Bluebleeder87
I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing WD-40. :o)
2007-08-24 18:20:26
273.   Sam DC
Look at it this way, Bob Carpenter just told me the Dodgers trail the Mets two to nothing.
2007-08-24 18:23:28
274.   underdog
Finally! Wright doesn't come up with one. Allah be praised.
2007-08-24 18:25:01
275.   Bluebleeder87
come on Ethier you gotta be patient here.
2007-08-24 18:26:35
276.   Bluebleeder87
woot!
2007-08-24 18:27:13
277.   underdog
Yay, Andre!

Boo, stupid fan! I wonder if that was gonna bounce back into play if they hadn't grabbed it.

2007-08-24 18:31:13
278.   Bluebleeder87
don't jix it bleeder just shut up & enjoy [telling self]
2007-08-24 18:31:14
279.   underdog
Of course, the problem is, now they'll bring in Feliciano who's usually unhittable when he faces the Dodgers. I dunno if I can watch this. And I have to leave in a few minutes. Argh, Dodgers!
2007-08-24 18:32:53
280.   Bluebleeder87
RM2 in for Loney.
2007-08-24 18:33:08
281.   still bevens
(head explodes)
2007-08-24 18:33:43
282.   FirstMohican
Fire Grady Little
2007-08-24 18:34:00
283.   underdog
Martinez for Loney?? If you're going to pinch hit for Loney, why not Sweeney? Argh.
2007-08-24 18:34:56
284.   Andrew Shimmin
Hey, he got another RBI! Good call, Grits.
2007-08-24 18:35:18
285.   Marty
Why is Saenz on the team if you don't hit him there?
2007-08-24 18:35:19
286.   underdog
For a second I thought there were two outs, with the nonchalant way Delgado strolled over to first. Whew.
2007-08-24 18:35:29
287.   FRM
it could have been worse...but I agree...horrible substitution
2007-08-24 18:35:37
288.   underdog
285 He already hit (and walked) last inning, Marty.
2007-08-24 18:35:37
289.   Marty
or did Saenz already bat?
2007-08-24 18:35:38
290.   ucladodger
283

Grady obviously wanted a righty, so Sweeney wouldnt have worked. I dont understand hitting for Loney, but that was his thought process.

2007-08-24 18:35:45
291.   GoBears
Did Little just PH Martinez for Loney?!

Holy brain farts, Batman!

2007-08-24 18:35:50
292.   Zak
Saenz just PH for Penny in the 7th.
2007-08-24 18:35:59
293.   Marty
thanks
2007-08-24 18:36:20
294.   FRM
an RBI for an out in the 8th inning trailing by three is not good
2007-08-24 18:36:45
295.   underdog
Actually, as much as Loney shows he can hit lefties, I don't see him doing anything vs. Feliciano. The guy is brutal vs. lefties. Still... Martinez??
2007-08-24 18:36:59
296.   FirstMohican
294 - Not sure but I think it might've been sarcasm.
2007-08-24 18:37:36
297.   ucladodger
nothing you can do about that. This game is about situational luck, and right there, it went the Mets way.
2007-08-24 18:37:47
298.   Zak
It's not a shock anymore that Little wouldn't leave Loney in against a LHP. Yesterday, Loney didn't start because the Phillies pitcher was left handed, and when he left in the sixt, Little promptly put Loney in. The old man is crazy!!
2007-08-24 18:37:56
299.   underdog
Right, I keep forgetting Sweeney's a lefty.

Man, I want to strangle David Wright tonight. Among other people.

2007-08-24 18:38:20
300.   FirstMohican
The guy doing the Land Rover commercials is the same guy that's on KCRW, right? Has to be.
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2007-08-24 18:38:33
301.   Linkmeister
I'd love to know Loney's L-R splits.
2007-08-24 18:38:48
302.   FRM
you are right - 296, I was still in shock over the substitution to pick up on the sarcasm
2007-08-24 18:39:06
303.   underdog
Gotta run. Later peeps. Hope they have a miracle come back in the 9th.
2007-08-24 18:39:38
304.   Bluebleeder87
295

I don't care I just don't wanna see RM2 in any key situations, Steiner mentioned that Feliciano was coming off of his longest outing.

ps I can't stand David Wright.

2007-08-24 18:40:38
305.   underdog
Loney must think Little has zero confidence in him. How is he going to learn if he can't stay in vs. lefties and in clutch situations? Seriously, I'm usually more in the pro-Grady camp but sometimes he just makes me want to shake him violently.
2007-08-24 18:40:46
306.   gpellamjr
That's it. That was the last straw for me. I am no longer a Dodger fan. This is ridiculous. I will watch no more Dodger games until Colletti and Little are both gone. I cannot put myself through this anymore.
2007-08-24 18:41:45
307.   underdog
Okay, gp.

See you here tomorrow? ;-)

2007-08-24 18:41:47
308.   FRM
Loney - 286 BA vs. right handers, .382 vs. left

Martinez - 159 BA v. right handers, .239 vs. LH

Great move Grady

2007-08-24 18:42:12
309.   Andrew Shimmin
301- Career big league split

258 PA vs. RHP .280/.337/.500
82 PA vs. LHP .373/.415/.507

2007-08-24 18:44:05
310.   Bob Timmermann
306
OK, no more prescriptive grammr! Greg Brock and I will go back to being the self-proclaimed Kings of Grammar.

And we will both translate Latin incorrectly!

And then fight crime by night!

2007-08-24 18:44:45
311.   gpellamjr
307 No. Seriously, I'm done. I can't do it anymore. I watched that top of the 8th inning in shock. I'm horrified. I'm just done with this team until those fools are gone.
2007-08-24 18:45:15
312.   Bluebleeder87
excuse me while I go jump off the 2nd floor of my pad. ;o)
2007-08-24 18:45:28
313.   gpellamjr
310 Can I still come back for some descriptive grammar?
2007-08-24 18:46:09
314.   Andrew Shimmin
Loney's 2006 AAA split

316 PA vs. RHP .392/.437/.576
90 PA vs. LHP .337/.389/.446

2007-08-24 18:46:15
315.   Sam DC
It's 70s night (or did they say 80s night) in Colorado. Asked how he looked back then, Don Sutton says "Looking at my old pictures, you can't tell if that's me or Angela Davis."
2007-08-24 18:46:23
316.   Linkmeister
308 In light of that, I'd dearly love to hear Grady asked why he made that switch during the postgame interview on Dodgers Live (if they air that like they do at home games).
2007-08-24 18:46:42
317.   Ken Noe
2H, 2 RBIs for RM2 yesterday--I knew then that we'd be seeing him a lot this weekend.
2007-08-24 18:46:59
318.   Bob Timmermann
Well, at least we aren't overreacting.
2007-08-24 18:47:24
319.   Linkmeister
315 Is Sutton now broadcasting for the Nats?
2007-08-24 18:47:30
320.   Andrew Shimmin
313- Shall I send you a pamphlet on joining the D'backs bandwagon? We have special Student/Educator rates!
2007-08-24 18:47:37
321.   GoBears
309. Wait, so Loney is actually BETTER against LHP? Yeah, I wouldn't make much of the small samples, but if nothing else, there's no evidence that he's worse against lefties.

I hope someone asks Little about that in the postgame.

2007-08-24 18:48:03
322.   Bluebleeder87
Proctors been stinking it up lately no?
2007-08-24 18:48:37
323.   gpellamjr
I just don't get it. Why should I root for a team that's not trying to win? I'm mortified. I tried to be reasonable, but I already blew that by saying I'm no longer a Dodger fan.

I cannot stand this. I spend too much time and money to watch this ridiculous team.

2007-08-24 18:48:37
324.   GoBears
Boy, this Betemit for Proctor (and, ultimately, Hillebrand) deal is just looking better and better.
2007-08-24 18:48:52
325.   Bob Timmermann
319
Only since the beginning of the season.
2007-08-24 18:48:57
326.   still bevens
322 'lately'

His peripherals have been mediocre all year.

2007-08-24 18:49:29
327.   FirstMohican
So glad we got Proctor. Wow. What is Ned thinking right now? Honestly?
2007-08-24 18:49:41
328.   The Mootz
Betemit could have thrown a better pitch.
2007-08-24 18:49:42
329.   Bluebleeder87
uh oh, Marlin the Magician.
2007-08-24 18:50:08
330.   Andrew Shimmin
318- It only looks like an overreaction. It's just that people are catching up to the proper state of reactiveness, after under-reacting for so long.
2007-08-24 18:50:10
331.   Marty
gpellamjr, I bet you'd look great in a red baseball cap.
2007-08-24 18:50:11
332.   ucladodger
Mike flippin DeFelice has 3 hits tonight. Cant expect to win when that happens.

As for Proctor, has he done anything positive in a close game this year? I dont really care to look up the stats, but it seems that he does well when the game is out of hand, and the opposite of that in close games.

2007-08-24 18:50:12
333.   gpellamjr
320 Do they play their best players on a regular basis?
2007-08-24 18:50:24
334.   FRM
I guess I just do not really care for "old school" managers who rely on hunches when deciding who to bat / pinch-hit for. If the veteran on the bench is Tony Gwynn or Rod Carew, then by all means pinch hit for Loney. But when that veteran is Ramon Martinez you gotta let Loney bat
2007-08-24 18:51:25
337.   gpellamjr
331 Angels red? Reds red? Diamondbacks red?

I'm not jumping from one poorly managed team to another, so not the Reds.

The Indians looks good about now.

2007-08-24 18:52:28
338.   Andrew Shimmin
333- They have so many good players that it would be against the rules to play them all at once!
2007-08-24 18:52:41
339.   Marty
337 Dbacks! Follow Andrew and me to freedom!
2007-08-24 18:53:10
340.   Bob Timmermann
337
The Indians looks good about now.

If you're telling me that "The Indians" is a collective noun that takes a singular form of a verb, so help me I'm getting on the next plane to Ohio to seek justice.

2007-08-24 18:53:31
341.   kegtron
Hey Tomko, its Friday, you ain't got no job...
2007-08-24 18:53:57
342.   Andrew Shimmin
I think Lyons is right. The big problem with being down by more than four is that a Grand Slam doesn't tie the game. Because the first Grand Slam, that's a given. It's the next run that's tough.
2007-08-24 18:54:13
343.   gpellamjr
340 That was a typo. I may be good at Latin, but I'm terrible at typing.
2007-08-24 18:54:24
344.   GoBears
I actually hope that if Little IS asked about the Martinez for Loney headslapper, his answer is "It was just a gut feeling. Didn't work out."

I'm not one to deny the manager the freedom to indulge the occasional whim, but if he tries to explain this with something rational, I might shop for a new TV tomorrow.

Aw heck, I'm not going to watch the postgame. Hopefully one of you fine fellows will report on the eulogy.

2007-08-24 18:54:56
346.   JoeyP
295--Didnt Loney hit a homer off Billy Wagner earlier this year?

Just a horrible decision.

Where's the Dbax bandwagon, Andrew?

2007-08-24 18:55:04
347.   FirstMohican
"...and Proctor struggling tonight." Excellent analysis Charley. Seriously. And you say it like you're surprised!
2007-08-24 18:56:11
348.   ucladodger
hey, he struck out Reyes!
2007-08-24 18:57:28
350.   Ken Noe
347 Mets' announcers see it differently--same old Proctor, never had any control, overworked by Torre, Yanks were thrilled to get rid of him for Betemit.
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2007-08-24 18:59:19
351.   Gen3Blue
Geeez I just got back and see this dodger reliever who seems to be covering his nose with his jersey, and trying to snort in his essential essence, and he looks so young. I was amazed--It was Procter!
2007-08-24 19:00:04
353.   Marty
When do we hear "I didn't come here to pinch hit" from LuGo?
2007-08-24 19:00:34
355.   Andrew Shimmin
352- Considering I've abused rule seven a couple of times, it's cheeky of me to mention, but that's a rule one violation.
2007-08-24 19:01:21
357.   Marty
So, a grand slam for Kemp then.
2007-08-24 19:01:45
358.   Andrew Shimmin
If Matt Kemp hits a Grand Slam, I'm going to be a little sorry about ditching the Dodgers for the D'backs. And making fun of Psycho. But I'll get over it.
2007-08-24 19:01:50
359.   FirstMohican
Are you kidding me?
2007-08-24 19:02:28
360.   MMSMikey
stupid. stupid. stupid. stupid.
2007-08-24 19:02:53
362.   Sam DC
herm -- that's the same as swearing and not ok.

meanwhile, I'm getting the url reservered for Sepukku Thoughts. I'll let you all know when it's open for business.

Although Brock is probably floating if he saw the two stellar plays Nook Logan just laid down.

Kaz Matsui was on third and didn't even challenge his mighty gun on a medium fly to center with 1 out!

2007-08-24 19:03:06
363.   FirstMohican
A base hit should score three here.
2007-08-24 19:03:52
364.   Bluebleeder87
I was typing that I liked the match up of Kemp vs. there closer, & kemp got the hit, yes!
2007-08-24 19:04:27
366.   Ken Noe
And a run scores...not. Thanks Juan.
2007-08-24 19:05:02
367.   Andrew Shimmin
At least Martinez won't be available to bat for Ethier.
2007-08-24 19:05:32
369.   MMSMikey
5 years ago kent hits that hanging spinner out
2007-08-24 19:05:50
370.   FRM
is Rafael Belliard available...Grady would use him here
2007-08-24 19:05:56
371.   ucladodger
thats 3 times in the last 3 games Kemp has had a hit with a runner on 2nd and hasnt gotten an RBI. I dont know if I've seen that ahppen to the same player that much in such a short span. Maybe he just hits the ball too hard.
2007-08-24 19:06:10
372.   Ken Noe
And it's 5-3...not. Thanks Juan.
2007-08-24 19:06:24
374.   Sam DC
Lets all just pull for 3.5 together.
2007-08-24 19:06:39
375.   FirstMohican
Why isn't Lieberthal up in place of Ethier here???
2007-08-24 19:07:23
377.   ucladodger
How many runners did Andre leave on tonight? Talk about hitting out of sync.
2007-08-24 19:08:19
378.   Bluebleeder87
it was just a bad ALL AROUND game for the Dodgers (no patients) Grady with that questionable call on taking out Loney, Proctor not holding the Mets at bay, ugh just horrid play all around.
2007-08-24 19:08:43
379.   MMSMikey
would'nt blame it on ethier, pierre destroyed any hope the dodgers had that inning.
2007-08-24 19:09:28
380.   Linkmeister
377 7, per Gameday.
2007-08-24 19:10:21
381.   Andrew Shimmin
Tough game. Oh well. Micah "Babe Ruth" Owings gave up two in the first, so my D'backs are down, too.
2007-08-24 19:14:08
382.   Bluebleeder87
380

I'll be surprised if he doesn't sit tomorrow, if anything at least Kemp will be penciled in in his place.

2007-08-24 19:14:12
383.   JoeyP
Milton Bradley with two 3-run homers tonight for the Padres.
2007-08-24 19:21:54
384.   Bluebleeder87
well at least Zona is losing.
2007-08-24 19:26:30
385.   Greg Brock
Nothing will ever symbolize a free agent signing more than that ninth inning at bat did tonight.

Beautiful.

2007-08-24 19:33:08
387.   Bluebleeder87
383

when he's healthy he's a good one.

2007-08-24 19:43:10
388.   Marty
Forget it Bob. It's Chinatown.
2007-08-24 19:48:51
389.   Bob Timmermann
I'm not dispirited by the Dodgers loss. I'm dispirited by the DT community panicking, cracking open each other's skulls, and feasting on the goo inside.
2007-08-24 19:50:13
390.   Greg Brock
388 Oh sure, Mr. Diamondbacks man person.
2007-08-24 19:53:15
391.   Sam DC
It's a fine line between angry and clever.

But angry gets old very, very fast.

2007-08-24 19:54:25
392.   Marty
I'm perfecting being a Dbacks fan without actually watching any games or following what they do. It's beauty.
2007-08-24 20:00:11
393.   Bob Timmermann
Chris Snyder pulled a baserunning gaffe evocative of the best the NL West has to offer.
2007-08-24 20:03:33
394.   Greg Brock
The Nats have opened up some breathing room against the Rockies.

4-1 America's Team in the seventh

2007-08-24 20:06:08
395.   Bob Timmermann
There are a lot of Cubs fans in Arizona tonight. They may outnumber the DBacks fans.
2007-08-24 20:27:41
396.   Dodgers49
Hull shines on dismal staff

>> Amid the wreckage that has been the 51s' pitching staff this season, closer Eric Hull has stood tall as a beacon of light.

Hull, a 27-year-old right-hander, is 3-3 with a 2.83 ERA and 11 saves in 45 appearances this year for Las Vegas, which has the highest ERA (5.45) and has issued the most walks (544) in the Pacific Coast League. <<

## Delwyn Young hit his league-leading 46th double of the year to tie Kevin McReynolds for the Las Vegas' single-season franchise record, set in 1983. ##

http://www.lvrj.com/sports/9351846.html

2007-08-24 20:29:44
397.   Greg Brock
The new Coen Brothers movie is going to give me nightmares.

Javier Bardem is a bad, bad man.

2007-08-24 20:34:58
398.   PlayTwo
Arizona is not drawing. The Rockies are not drawing. Southern California, on the other hand, would support another club.
2007-08-24 20:35:43
399.   Marty
397 I'm really looking forward to it.
2007-08-24 20:40:47
400.   Greg Brock
399 The red band (not suitable for general audiences) trailer is up at the movie's web site.

It's a...uh...dark movie.

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2007-08-24 20:43:09
401.   Marty
What is red band?
2007-08-24 20:43:12
402.   Bob Timmermann
Chad Cordero is letting down America's Team.
2007-08-24 20:46:00
403.   Bob Timmermann
Cordero is out and Gigantor is in.

Bases loaded, no outs, and the Nats up by 2.

2007-08-24 20:46:11
404.   Greg Brock
41 You know that green screen that starts movie trailers? It means that the trailer is suitable for general audiences (okay language, minimal violence, etc.)

The red band is the opposite of the green band. It's age restricted. Not suitable for the kids.

2007-08-24 20:47:39
405.   Bob Timmermann
Gigantor is no match for Yorvit. It's tied up in Denver and the Rox have 2 on, none out, and Sullivan up.
2007-08-24 20:49:02
406.   Greg Brock
401 And to be honest, the full length green band trailer is better.

This one just has a murder or seven in it.

2007-08-24 20:54:48
407.   Bob Timmermann
Nats ... lose.
2007-08-24 20:57:01
408.   underdog
Hah. I think Bob's right, I think we overreacted a little bit about micromoments in this game. I'm glad I missed the 9th inning, though, is all I can say and I still don't get the sitting Loney for Lucille II move, but there were a lot of moments in this game that were all on the players themselves, not the manager. And, hey, Penny seems to always stink in NY for whatever reason, that doesn't help either. I wouldn't give up on this series or this season or this team so quickly, or at least, unlike SOME people I'm not jumping over to HMS Diamondback. Nyah!
2007-08-24 20:57:30
409.   Greg Brock
Stupid Rockies...just sittin' up there in the mountains, ruining stuff.
2007-08-24 20:58:49
410.   Bob Timmermann
Cubs 3
HMS Diamondbacks 1

Bottom of the 8th

2007-08-24 20:59:25
411.   Sam DC
Nationals fans accept things like tonight's meltdown with an equanimity that would impress Mr. Roarke.

Wins come, they go, the Nationals can't expect too many of them in any event.

2007-08-24 21:00:34
412.   Wilbert Robinson
Just got back from the game. I came the closest I've ever been to catching a foul ball. It looked from the second it was hit that I was reeling it in. I was focused on it, hands in gold post formation, thumbs interlocked. I was just trying to remember to close my hands over the ball on impact. The ball bigger and bigger. People are crowding together but its coming straight for me. At the last moment a man reaches up and deflects the ball with one hand. I immediately cower. The foul ball lands in the arms of a huge man who screams "yeaaaaah boooooooooyyyyyy" repeatedly while pumping the ball in the air. Meanwhile the man behind me asks if I am stoned.
2007-08-24 21:01:11
413.   Sam DC
409 IM IN UR MNTANS RUININ UR STUFF.
2007-08-24 21:07:15
414.   Sam DC
Sorry, Couldn't help myself.

Meanwhile, how does Micah Owings expect to get a win if he only puts one run on the board.

2007-08-24 21:09:08
415.   underdog
410 Never mind the why and wherefore...
Winning can level ranks, and therefore...
2007-08-24 21:12:14
416.   Marty
I couldn't see where the red band video would run.
2007-08-24 21:15:08
417.   Greg Brock
413 I laughed. Don't apologize.

416 It's a popup. So you have to enable popups.

2007-08-24 21:17:40
418.   Marty
Ah. I'm an idiot.
2007-08-24 21:20:28
419.   underdog
I have to say - getting back to the topic of this posting, after reading the latest Dodger notes, Tomko handled the DFA with class. He wasn't always classy as a Dodger and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand, but it's still cool that he does. I wish him well in his painting career.
2007-08-24 21:26:51
420.   Greg Brock
418 It got me the first few minutes as well.

I wish Tomko would have worked out. It's not like he didn't have some decent stuff. Aside from actually pitching, he was okay.

2007-08-24 21:33:55
421.   Bob Timmermann
Let's forget about tonight and focus on underdog's comment in 408 .

Especially the part that says "I think Bob's right..."

2007-08-24 21:44:30
422.   underdog
421 I've made it a macro for future convenience. To be scrapped the night you announce you're becoming a DBacks fan.
2007-08-24 21:45:21
423.   Bob Timmermann
Cubs 6, HMS Diamondbacks 2 Final
2007-08-24 21:46:28
424.   Bob Timmermann
I was going to get a cycle alert ready, but Curtis Granderson tripled for the second time tonight instead of hitting a single.
2007-08-24 21:47:34
425.   Greg Brock
422 Bob is nominally nonpartisan.
2007-08-24 21:56:05
426.   underdog
425 Well, I think Bob's right.

{beep}

2007-08-24 21:58:45
427.   Gen3Blue
I'm very parmesian!
2007-08-24 22:04:13
428.   Bob Timmermann
Raise the Jolly Roger! Pirates beat the Astros 8-3 in 15 innings!
2007-08-24 22:05:49
429.   underdog
I downloaded Patton Oswalt's Werewolves and Lollipops from iTunes last night and am listening to it now and laughing so hard I'm crying and my girlfriend is now worried about me and I better sign off.

Download it. NOW.

His bit about George Lucas is classic, as is his opener about KFC's new bowl offerings. Classic.

I'm leaving to listen to this in peace.

Peace.

2007-08-24 22:35:55
431.   LAT
Glad I wasn't around for today's game. But I will say this. Batting orders are more art than science, more opinion than fact. So when Grady gets ripped for batting Ethier 8th or JP 2nd, although I don't agree, I don't get too worked up. But pinch hitting Ramon for Loney is beyond the pale. When did our manager become the guy who hits a 20 with the dealer showing a 6. Who bets the mortgage on the 100-1 shot at Los Al. The guy who plays Russian Roulette with 5 bullets instead of one.

Here's a fact, not an opinion: Grady's a bonehead.

2007-08-24 22:45:07
432.   Greg Brock
431 Grady is becoming a problem. But he's not THE problem. Fix this roster, get over the veteran fetish, and then, if Grady still pulls this stuff, deal with Grady.

I'm still holding out for Bobby V.

2007-08-24 22:54:03
433.   gpellamjr
Alright, I've spent the past four hours as a non-Dodger fan. I can't live this way. I'm back, my friends. I am back!

But I don't like Grady Little or Ned Colletti.

2007-08-24 22:56:03
434.   Greg Brock
433 Love means never having to say your sorry. At least, thats what Ali McGraw told me.

Before she died.

2007-08-24 22:56:43
435.   Bob Timmermann
I apologize for being an all-around unpleasant individual tonight and causing trouble.
2007-08-24 22:57:36
436.   Greg Brock
Your/You're is becoming my nemesis. I say we just choose one and be done with it.

Universal Your for everybody!

2007-08-24 22:58:09
437.   Bob Timmermann
Can I get a ruling on they're/their/there?
2007-08-24 22:59:02
438.   Greg Brock
435 If it makes you feel better, you weren't wrong. Just irked.

Losing baseball games makes everybody upset. Except for the other guys. They win, so they're pretty happy.

2007-08-24 23:03:40
439.   Bob Timmermann
438
No, I was wrong.

All I had to do was say nothing. It's not for me to judge everybody.

2007-08-24 23:08:46
440.   Greg Brock
439 Perhaps, but it was worth saying, even as a moment of exasperation. I find myself vacillating between whimsy and frustration. And, sometimes, venturing into serious Negative Nelly territory. I took it to heart.

A Your in every kitchen and a There in every backyard! Vote homonym elimination in 2008!

2007-08-24 23:10:48
441.   Lexinthedena
432-I remember hating Bobby V.

Now he seems like a nice alternative...although he and Tommy together is a greasy, bloated thought....

2007-08-24 23:12:59
442.   Greg Brock
441 Just letting you know...An attack on Bobby V. will not be met with a proportional response.

You pull a knife, I pull an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile. That's the Brock way...And that's how we get Bobby V.

2007-08-24 23:13:11
443.   Bob Timmermann
440
I removed the offending comment. I also removed my St. Louis Cardinals tirade from last year from the Griddle.

Apparently, I only write about St. Louis negatively.

2007-08-24 23:15:12
444.   Lexinthedena
442- How can we compete with the love he get's in Japan?.....2nd and Alameda aint gonna cut it my homes....
2007-08-24 23:20:28
445.   Greg Brock
443 Because you are such an affable fellow, I find your grudges hilarious. Pitted fruits, St. Louis, Russ Ortiz, San Francisco...

It's okay to hate things. I mean, I hate everything, and I'm pretty affable. So, you rip St. Louis...Big deal! The SABR St. Louis Griddle entry was great, because it added layers of complexity.

2007-08-24 23:21:22
446.   Bob Timmermann
Bobby V doesn't work in Tokyo. He works in the equivalent of a city like Santa Monica.

He's not too far from Disneyland however.

2007-08-24 23:22:54
447.   Bob Timmermann
445
Wrong tirade.

I didn't complain much about St. Louis when I was at the SABR convention. In fact, I thought I wrote stuff that was relatively complimentary about the city.

2007-08-24 23:24:27
448.   Lexinthedena
446-

"So your sayin' there's a chance!"

2007-08-24 23:26:01
449.   Greg Brock
447 No, I understand that. I remember the earlier St. Louis posts. The fact that you ripped the city so mercilessly earlier made the later post about St. Louis that much better.

I was saying that your open contempt for St. Louis in previous posts made the SABR post that much better.

2007-08-24 23:36:16
450.   Bob Timmermann
So what do the Dodgers do with this now?
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/439448811_abfda5e7a8.jpg
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2007-08-24 23:37:20
451.   Bob Timmermann
Can Bobby V sell these in the US?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/110/267419196_87b7992201.jpg

2007-08-24 23:37:41
452.   Bob Timmermann
Orange alert for the cycle for Curtis Granderson in Detroit.
2007-08-24 23:43:00
453.   LAT
It's okay to hate things. I mean. . .

A few of us went for drinks tonight after work and somehow we got on the subject of "if you won the lottery, at least $25M, would you have an entourage." Two people were emphatic that they would pay people to leave them alone. I was one of them. I agree its okay to hate things.

Legal disclaimer: This post has been spell checked out of respect (read, fear) for anyone over 6'6" or over.

2007-08-25 00:00:38
454.   Andrew Shimmin
453- When we were kids, I used to pay my sister to leave me alone. Best money I ever spent.
2007-08-25 00:01:10
455.   Greg Brock
453 If I were a multi-millionaire, I'm pretty sure I'd live in Palos Verdes, surf all day, and hire ten people to make sure I don't have to communicate with anybody, at any point, ever.
2007-08-25 00:19:51
456.   Greg Brock
453 I would also build the most awesome Wiffle Ball stadium of all time.

Play Wiffle Ball
Surf
Dodgers Season Tickets
Abuse substances
Play Golf
Run an indie theater
Kayak in Morro Bay

I think that could fill a lifetime. If anybody wants to contribute to this cause, I will open a PayPal account.

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