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$7,000,000 Esteban Loaiza
*$500,000 Chad Billingsley
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*$500,000 Jonathan Broxton
$500,000 Chan Ho Park
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*$400,000 James Loney
*$400,000 Matt Kemp
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$600,000 Mark Sweeney
$424,500 Andre Ethier
$391,000 Delwyn Young
$390,000 Chin-Lung Hu
$390,000 Blake DeWitt
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*$390,000 Andy LaRoche
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Mr. RBI
2007-08-28 09:21
by Jon Weisman

The last thing I want to do is knock Ramon Martinez after driving in runs in six consecutive games (10 RBI in that period), so just consider this a little perspective. With the bases empty this season, Martinez is 7 for 62 with four walks and a double: .167 on-base percentage, .129 slugging percentage.

With runners on, Martinez is 16 for 59 with six walks and three doubles: .314 OBP, .322 slugging.

A relief of a comeback win for the Dodgers on Monday, after Derek Lowe surrendered an early lead. Martinez had the game-winning RBI, and a thrilling double play ended the game.

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2007-08-28 09:30:32
1.   ToyCannon
Wet blanket
2007-08-28 09:30:34
2.   PHilldodger
But don't you know that those are "quality" at-bats, despite what your new-fangled statistics might say?
2007-08-28 09:32:09
3.   underdog
From last thread:
>>417. Greg Brock
David Wells, Derek Lowe, Joe Beimel, Esteban Loiza...
Is Sidney Ponson available? <<

Can't the Dodgers just call up Eric Cyr instead?

2007-08-28 09:33:49
4.   JoeyP
Loaiza for 7mils in 2008 wouldnt be bad, but I'd rather give the job to a kid with upside than a 36yr old with probably little left.
2007-08-28 09:40:14
5.   regfairfield
3 Because he's a 28 year old who couldn't even strike out six per nine in Jacksonville and is getting bombed in Vegas.
2007-08-28 09:52:59
6.   underdog
5 Heh. I was referring purely to his off the field problems in the past, as one who would fit in with Greg's list of pitchers there. (Though Cyr's, er, troubles, were of a different variety.) But I do realize he's horrible.
2007-08-28 09:55:18
7.   regfairfield
6 Ah, gotcha. Not well versed in the history of Eric Cyr.
2007-08-28 09:55:21
8.   Gagne55
4 Looking at baseball-reference, Loaiza looks like a typical meh journeyman. Probably as good a choice as any to fill out the rotation, I guess. Kershaw could still go Greg Miller on us.
2007-08-28 10:03:15
9.   underdog
7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Cyr#Legal_problems

Fortunate that he's been so bad we won't have to worry about making the team anyway.

2007-08-28 10:19:24
10.   Vishal
i just found out yesterday that i'll be moving to enemy territory; i got a job in san francisco. i might have to take the dodger decal off my truck, but i'll still be sure to represent. with luck, if i time it right, i might be able to go to the upcoming dodgers-giants series in SF!

anyway, now i just need to find a place to live...

2007-08-28 10:22:38
11.   Sam DC
Congrats!
2007-08-28 10:23:02
12.   LogikReader
Congratulations Vishal! What kind of work will you be doing up there?
2007-08-28 10:23:02
13.   Exick
Is this like the Bizarro World version of the Alex Rodriguez isn't "clutch" argument?
2007-08-28 10:23:23
14.   Vishal
thanks, sam :)
2007-08-28 10:27:16
15.   Vishal
[12 ] i'll be working for the city, at the finance & planning division of one of the city departments.
2007-08-28 10:27:58
16.   bhsportsguy
10 Good luck and remember I told you that it might be cheaper to commute from L.A.

And also Bob may ignore your existence from now on. Or at least refuse to admit where you actually live.

But you have "trainwreck" and "underdog" I believe who may be able to point you to some places to live.

Is the job in "The City?" (Get used to that as well as never ever use the word "Frisco.")

2007-08-28 10:31:09
17.   LAT
BH, email me at "l.tabb@mpglaw.com"
2007-08-28 10:39:56
18.   Bob Timmermann
I know thee not, Vishal; fall to thy prayers
How ill SF caps become a fool and jester
2007-08-28 10:40:22
19.   Jon Weisman
13 - I'm sure there's someone out there willing to trade Alex Rodriguez for Ramon Martinez straight up. We just have to get him in a position of influence.

Congrats, Vishal! We're all Californians in the end (except those of us who aren't).

2007-08-28 10:40:25
20.   Vishal
thanks for the warm wishes, guys.

oh, i know not to call it "frisco". i went to college in the bay area, after all. :) honestly, san francisco is my favorite city in the world and i can't wait to be up there. it's a great place, i just hate their baseball team. fortunately there is a team right across the bay in oakland that i am also a fan of.

2007-08-28 10:42:33
21.   Bob Timmermann
20
See 18 again!

And again!

And again!

2007-08-28 10:44:31
22.   bhsportsguy
20 Oh, you mean the Raiders or maybe the new hip Warriors (Baron, come back to LA).
2007-08-28 10:44:51
23.   Vishal
[19 ] nous sommes tous californiens?

thanks for not minding me cluttering up your blog with my personal stuff, jon. it's just that i spend so much time here that i felt like sharing with everyone.

2007-08-28 10:46:11
24.   D4P
The weather in San Francisco is nigh perfect.
2007-08-28 10:46:13
25.   Eric Enders
Of course, there is another Dodger who had RBI in six straight games recently, but didn't get nearly as much attention -- because of course, he's not clutch.
2007-08-28 10:47:22
26.   Vishal
[21 ] lol bob. don't consider it a defection to the dark side. it's more like a forward deployment.
2007-08-28 10:47:30
27.   Greg Brock
23 Congratulations.
2007-08-28 10:55:52
28.   GoBears
20 i went to college in the bay area, after all.

Come on now, Vishal. You can show a little more school pride than that. "Bay Area" could mean lots of things, some of which are unsavory.

Congrats on the job, my good man. Seems like just yesterday that you headed off for grad school. They grow up so fast!

2007-08-28 10:55:53
29.   bhsportsguy
27 This morning I heard a caller on XM ask their Fantasy Baseball expert, why don't the Dodgers bring up that 19 year old pitcher? Jeff Erickson (RotoWire) said that while he has no problems bringing up hitters, he said you have to be patient with young pitchers.

You know, they never mentioned this pitcher's name, it was as if this was some imaginary character.

2007-08-28 10:56:26
30.   Xeifrank
10. Congrats! But a place to live? I thought you said you had a truck!? :)
vr, Xei
2007-08-28 10:57:00
31.   bhsportsguy
28 Nervous about Saturday? Apparently, only the whole season rests on that game.
2007-08-28 10:59:00
32.   D4P
Seems like just yesterday that you headed off for grad school

Meh. Must be a masters student.

2007-08-28 11:00:32
33.   regfairfield
29 Interesting, because I've heard that when a pitcher is ready, he's ready no matter what age he's at.

I personally don't like bringing up 19 year olds because if something goes wrong, they end up out of options at age 22 and you have to ship them away for middle relief.

2007-08-28 11:04:09
34.   GoBears
31. Not at all. See, this is the comfort you get from being a long-time Cal fan. When I was a student, we were lucky to win a couple conference games a year. All we really cared about was beating the boys from the Farm. So even though the team is much improved, I still see every win as gravy. If we lose, well, who were we foolin' anyway? Winning is joyous, and losing is not that painful.

That's why I can't stand the sense of entitlement (for at least a bowl game, if not more) felt by fans of perennial powers. I have UCLA students whining about losing a game or two, and I just feel sorry for them. When your team usually sucks, it's much easier to extract joy from small victories.

It's one of the reasons I can't imagine being a Yankee fan.

2007-08-28 11:05:37
35.   Greg Brock
I have UCLA students whining about losing a game or two

Or six.

2007-08-28 11:08:51
36.   Jon Weisman
Name the two Dodger pitchers with three consecutive lousy starts (game scores of 23 or lower) in the past 10 years.

Then see if you guessed right:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/archives/233

They were no Chad Durbin, let me tell you.

2007-08-28 11:10:18
37.   fanerman
When is the Dodgers-SF series in SF? I want to go to one of those games.
2007-08-28 11:10:24
38.   ToyCannon
34
That is why I like to offset being an Angel fan with being a Dodger fan. One team I have high expectations for, and the other not so much.
2007-08-28 11:11:36
39.   ToyCannon
36
Bad Penny for one
2007-08-28 11:13:16
40.   ToyCannon
36
I don't remember either of those having bad streaks like that while with the Dodgers.
2007-08-28 11:13:26
41.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
I do love it here in San Francisco, even if there's a latent hostility to Angelenos and an overt hostility towards the Dodgers.

10 18 - Combine these two ideas: live in the Mission. I see more LA caps in the Mission than I do anywhere else, perhaps as many as SF Jint caps...

2007-08-28 11:13:46
42.   Eric Enders
36 I will guess:
Fernando around 1990
Don Sutton in 1988
Hershiser during his ill-fated comeback
2007-08-28 11:14:17
43.   ToyCannon
If I say Trifecta after 3 posts in a row what is the 4th post called besides lonely?
2007-08-28 11:15:27
44.   Vishal
[34 ] it doesn't even take that longtime a fan, really. one of the years i was at cal, we went 1-10 [shudder]

anyway, i for one can't wait for saturday. i think this is going to be a great year. i've promised myself that if somehow we make it to the rose bowl, i'm going. i was going to fly out from china early if it happened last year, but alas... the arizona game.

2007-08-28 11:16:20
45.   Eric Enders
42 Clearly I cannot count -- either to three or to ten.
2007-08-28 11:16:22
46.   bhsportsguy
37 September 7th-9th
2007-08-28 11:16:24
47.   LogikReader
some of my best friends are Giant fans... seriously, I mean that!
2007-08-28 11:16:42
48.   ssjames
I would guess that one of the three would be Nomo when just finally lost it.
2007-08-28 11:17:29
49.   LogikReader
47

I pity them...

2007-08-28 11:17:36
50.   bhsportsguy
35 Maybe the kids were talking about the basketball team (I mean losing a game or two).
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2007-08-28 11:18:54
51.   LogikReader
Vishal, if you're anywhere close to it, and you like hot dogs, you MUST make "What's Up Dog?" a regular lunch spot. Best hot dogs West of the Bay, at the very least.

I was up in SF for the All Star Game festivities this year.

2007-08-28 11:19:10
52.   fanerman
My first year at Cal (4 years ago), we still had horrible expectations for the team. I remember getting a tour of the place the summer before, and the student tour guide guy was saying "our basketball team is good, sometimes. our football team... well, we have a football team." That year we beat USC, and we've been a perennial Pac-10 power since then. All 3 years. I suppose I'm a bit spoiled.
2007-08-28 11:19:43
53.   bhsportsguy
36 Would have never guessed those two, not that they are just one hit wonders either.
2007-08-28 11:22:18
54.   delias man
36 - I have purposely forgotten how bad 1999 was.
2007-08-28 11:22:41
55.   bhsportsguy
52 Watch out, you have the makings of a UCLA basketball fan from 1963-1975.

Of course, you have nothing on what is going down here at the Coliseum. Lived here all my life and never seen anything like this ever. The expectations are so sky high right now, if they don't win by 50 on Saturday, I don't know what the fans will do.

2007-08-28 11:23:25
56.   Eric Enders
Those two pitchers are also the only two Dodgers to do it since 1957.

Here are the guys who had two in a row:
http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/yU8y

2007-08-28 11:24:54
57.   Vishal
[32 ] hey, hey, i did two of them. that extra year and degree has gotta count for something, no? :P

thanks again, gobears, brock, xei, et al. DT is like a web-based cheers bar for me. :)

[51 ] thanks for the tip! i'll check it out.

[41 ] i'm trying not to be picky about neighborhoods. i'd like to be near BART though.

2007-08-28 11:27:08
58.   Jon Weisman
In the Fans' Scouting Report, the number of votes on the Dodgers has jumped up, but five teams still have more.

http://tinyurl.com/2v937q

2007-08-28 11:27:43
59.   Greg Brock
50 GoBears had to be talking about basketball. I don't think I've ever seen UCLA described as a "perennial power" in college foobaw. Perennial powers are not generally coached by people with special needs.
2007-08-28 11:30:38
60.   Eric Enders
OK, since I'm a grouch lately, can anybody with a good memory guess what the 10 worst pitched games in Dodger history are (by game score)?

Two of them happened this year.

2007-08-28 11:35:25
61.   Vishal
[48 ] i was thinking nomo as well, but i guess not. i wonder what his game scores were that year.

also, props to andy from baseball-references for correctly using "fewer" instead of "less".

2007-08-28 11:36:35
62.   trainwreck
Congrats, Vishal.

UCLA football is really good at beating people down, such as Brock.

2007-08-28 11:41:13
63.   trainwreck
Vishal, are you going to live in SF itself or commute?
2007-08-28 11:42:33
64.   kngoworld
Did not notice this on todays thread, maybe it was on last nights.

The 39-year-old Luis Gonzalez hasn't started in five of the Dodgers' last eight games, but he isn't becoming accustomed to sitting. And he has no intention of doing so, meaning his time with the Dodgers could be up when his contract expires at the end of the season. Asked whether he saw himself coming back to play under similar circumstances, Gonzalez replied, "No, no, not here. . . . Anything can happen in the last month, but they've got a good nucleus of young kids here and that's their future. I don't know where I'll end up next year. I'll go with an open mind into the off-season and see what happens." So it's unlikely that he'll be back? "I don't want to go on a limb and say that," he said. He paused, then continued, "I mean, look around. I'm not naïve to the game. I've been around. We've got good young players and they're getting the bulk of the load here, especially late in the season." -- LA Times

Not much of a suprise. Looks like he is taking it well.

2007-08-28 11:43:31
65.   Disabled List
Brian Bohanan managed to win two of the three consecutive games with game scores under 23. Of course, he was pitching for the Rockies at the time.

Sometimes I miss old Coors Canaveral.

2007-08-28 11:44:53
66.   underdog
Congrats and welcome back, Vishal! Let us know if you need any tips or anything. I'm at underdog8 at gmail dot com

Icaros will tell you all his favorite spots in the Tenderloin, too.

Some of us up here were talking about going to the Dodgers-G__nts series so maybe we should make it an outing. It's coming up in 2 weeks I think?

Oh and your comment: "honestly, san francisco is my favorite city in the world and i can't wait to be up there. it's a great place, i just hate their baseball team." sums it up for me, and "fortunately there is a team right across the bay in oakland that i am also a fan of" means your trainwreck's new friend.

2007-08-28 11:46:07
67.   Vishal
[63 ] thanks, man! i'd be happy to live almost anywhere between civic center and san bruno/millbrae.
2007-08-28 11:46:41
68.   underdog
64 Yah, I posted that in previous thread and the general feeling was, "Eh, good for him, glad he's being realistic and if he can't fathom not starting full time throughout a season, then he's... not quite as realistic on that count." More power to him! I'd take him back as a 4th OF because I think he can still contribute, but as a full-timer, no way.
2007-08-28 11:47:24
69.   underdog
67 As long as it isn't literally civic center (as one who works there). Feh.
2007-08-28 11:48:14
70.   D4P
67
There are a lot of people who live rent-free in the Civic Center area.
2007-08-28 11:48:30
71.   NoHoDodger
Shifting Gears.........

What's going on in Matt Kemp's head.
Yesterday, besides straying too far from second base on a line drive to the shortstop (Where he was doubled up and ruined a second/third no out rally), he nearly got tagged out at second earlier by coming off the bag on a single and a bobble by the centerfielder.

This is in addition to a number of base running gaffes by him recently, including this past weekend.

Grady's response that "kids will be kids" is not persuasive. Someone has to rope this guy into shape.

2007-08-28 11:49:58
72.   kngoworld
68 sorry for the repeat underdog. Thanks for the reactions.
2007-08-28 11:51:44
73.   Vishal
[66 ] that's really nice, i'll shoot you an email, if you don't mind!
2007-08-28 11:52:07
74.   trainwreck
I can also keep you up to date on hyphy terminology.
2007-08-28 11:56:30
75.   Eric Enders
71 The only people who have to be roped into shape are the people who continue to criticize Matt Kemp despite the fact that he is clearly the best hitter on the team.

"He ruined a second and third/no out rally" -- maybe, but he was the one responsible for the rally to begin with!

Yes, he makes mistakes that look really bad sometimes. Nomar and Kent have both made many more blunders on the bases than Kemp this year, and I don't see people criticizing their baseball savvy. People seem to have forgiven Mark Sweeney his mental gaffe. And yet people keep hammering away at Kemp irrationally. The double standard is both perplexing and infuriating.

2007-08-28 11:56:44
76.   underdog
72 - no worries!

73 - no problem!

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71 - it's a concern, but he'll learn (hey, that rhymes). Plus, weren't people here worried that Grady would bench the young players when they screw up like that? I thought it was a good sign that he's giving him more leeway, being patient.

2007-08-28 11:57:47
77.   fanerman
66 If the Dodgers game in SF thing happens, I'd love to get in on it. Is there... serious discussion going on somewhere?
2007-08-28 11:58:38
78.   Vishal
[74 ] oh, that's important. if i'm not up on my yay area slang, people will think i'm hella lame.
2007-08-28 12:00:12
79.   trainwreck
78
Good, you got the Yay Area down. That is an important one.
2007-08-28 12:02:17
80.   GoBears
Well, basketball and football. OK, so UCLA hasn't been $C or Florida State, but over the last 25 years (and I've been at UCLA for 13+ of 'em), they're usually good to great. How many years have they NOT played in a bowl game?

But see, that's exactly what I'm talking about. At Cal, a winning record was unexpected and thrilling. The Garden State Bowl was cause for serious celebration and a 3000 mile road trip in an overstuffed van. At UCLA, anything short of a BCS bowl is considered a bad season.

I both envy and pity fanerman and his cohort. I'm sure it's much more fun to watch a great team, but trust me, when Tedford leaves, it's gonna hurt you a lot more than it'll hurt me. You've come to expect a good team. I haven't.

If Cal were ever to win the Rose Bowl, to say nothing of a national championship, I think it would have bad long-term effects on the fan base. Sort of like the Cubbies. Honorable failure is much more noble. I think I've said this before: true love comes through shared pain. If you can be fanatical about a team that stinks, then you KNOW you're a real fan.

2007-08-28 12:03:55
81.   trainwreck
I think most of us here would cry with joy if UCLA made a BCS bowl this year.
2007-08-28 12:05:19
82.   Gagne55
71 Kemp does seem to make more boneheaded plays on the bases and in the field than anybody. His head just doesn't seem to be in the game sometimes. Whether he figures it out or not could be the difference between him being the next Raul Mondesi or Frank Robinson.
2007-08-28 12:06:21
83.   trainwreck
Great, now Bob's going to hate Matt Kemp.
2007-08-28 12:06:46
84.   regfairfield
82 I think there was more difference between Mondesi and Robinson than some base running blunders.
2007-08-28 12:06:59
85.   Greg Brock
At UCLA, anything short of a BCS bowl is considered a bad season.

I don't know too many UCLA fans that feel that way. I know I don't. It's not like UCLA has even been to a single one in the history of the BCS. The disconnect is between top 20 recruiting classes and 7-6 or 6-7 records.

I expect to play in a Rose Bowl once a decade. If that constitutes unreasonable expectations, well, there we are.

2007-08-28 12:07:04
86.   Gagne55
And I don't mean Mondesi in a bad way. Mondesi had some real solid seasons.
2007-08-28 12:07:32
87.   GoBears
So, Billingsley was pretty good last time out. Does he regress today, or can he put together two back2back?
2007-08-28 12:07:45
88.   D4P
I think most of us here would cry with joy if UCLA made a BCS bowl this year

And for some, the happy would taste like sad.

2007-08-28 12:09:23
89.   LogikReader
seriously, are there any SC fans in here, besides me?
2007-08-28 12:09:42
90.   LogikReader
been an SC football fan since the Hackett era, back in high school :)
2007-08-28 12:10:45
91.   GoBears
85.I expect to play in a Rose Bowl once a decade. If that constitutes unreasonable expectations, well, there we are.

Fair enough. I'd say you're more reasonable than many.

But as a Cal Fan, I'd love to play in even one Rose Bowl in my lifetime.

Almost got there a couple years ago, when Texas leapfrogged us in the final polls, but we got crushed in whatever bowl game we did go to, because our entire receiving corps was out with injuries (and we couldn't slow down Texas Tech).

2007-08-28 12:13:17
92.   D4P
The disconnect is between top 20 recruiting classes and 7-6 or 6-7 records

Or, maybe the disconnect is between the recruiting class rankings and the actual recruiting class quality.

2007-08-28 12:13:27
93.   LogikReader
91

You may not have to wait that long. Cal could do it as soon as this year, or within a decade

2007-08-28 12:14:00
94.   Greg Brock
91 Cal not going to that Rose Bowl was a sham. I was outraged at the lack of outrage at that outrage.
2007-08-28 12:17:01
95.   D4P
The PAC-10 always gets screwed. Then they compound the problem by losing in the lesser bowl.
2007-08-28 12:17:03
96.   Gagne55
87 He's pitching a gem and the Nats are going down!
2007-08-28 12:17:46
97.   Jon Weisman
82 - Kemp has had a rough week on the bases. I can recall four questionable plays - though I think some of the criticism has been overly harsh. But let's say he has made four bad plays. It's not something that he's been doing all season at all.

Kemp doesn't take the best routes to the ball and doesn't quite seem comfortable going to the fence for a catch (he'll go willingly, but he's not sure how exactly to go). But that's not about baseball IQ. That's about development.

He also swings at some bad pitches, but so do 90 percent of batters. Certainly, given X number of pitches, Kemp will produce more with them than almost anyone in the universe at his age.

So he's a developing player. All that being said, this idea that his head is not in the game strikes me as something invented in the past week.

2007-08-28 12:18:30
98.   LogikReader
DT Friends:

Can you locate the USA on a globe? You might think it's a ridiculously easy question, but just ask Miss South Carolina about how hard it is.

2007-08-28 12:18:58
99.   Eric Enders
82 "Kemp does seem to make more boneheaded plays on the bases and in the field than anybody."

True, as long as one recognizes that the key word there is "seem." Kemp is definitely prone to blunders, but no more than some other players. It's just that his blunders tend to LOOK really bad and get stuck in people's heads. There is no way in the world that he makes more offensive and defensive blunders than, to name one, Nomar. Nomar gets thrown out by a mile stupidly trying to go from first to third on a single, and everybody pats him on the butt and says nice effort. Kemp gets hung out to dry on a line drive double play, and it looks really bad and everyone wonders where the kid's head is. But the bottom line is that in either case the sum total is the same; the baserunner still got thrown out.

Kemp, on the bases and in the field, suffers from the same malady that Wilson Betemit did batting. His bad plays simply look worse than other people's, and so people start judging him emotionally based on how those bad plays made them feel, instead of on his actual performance.

And even if I'm completely wrong about this -- even if Kemp does make far more blunders than anyone else on the team -- his hitting more than makes up for it.

2007-08-28 12:19:09
100.   GoBears
94. I disagree. I didn't think Cal had any better claim than Texas - it could go either way. And since the injuries were already known, I wouldn't be surprised if folks anticipated that the Cal team that would show up for a bowl wouldn't be nearly as good as the one that played so well in the regular season.
The depleted Cal squad would have been crushed in the Rose Bowl too, so I was just as happy not to have that be my one Rose Bowl memory.

93. Maybe. Of course, if we get to the Rose Bowl because $C is in the BCS title game elsewhere (I don't know where that is this year), it won't mean as much. I guess what I want is one outright Pac-10 title in my lifetime, whatever the bowl-game implications of that.

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2007-08-28 12:19:09
101.   ImprobableImpossible
89
Present.
2007-08-28 12:20:47
102.   trainwreck
98
That was quite a funny answer. Mario Lopez could barely contain his laughter.
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