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*$400,000 Chin-Lung Hu
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Lock the Door and Throw Away the Key - And Slip a Big Raise Underneath
2007-09-06 23:18
by Jon Weisman

The Houston Astros asked permission to interview Dodgers assistant GM of scouting Logan White for their vacant general manager position.

- Diamond Leung, Press-Enterprise

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2007-09-06 23:28:27
1.   King of the Hobos
TJax reported that this morning as well. The good news is that neither mentioned whether permission was granted, or if so, whether White accepted the interview. There are 7 other confirmed candidates, including several that interviewed yesterday or today (Ed Wade, Jim Beattie, Bob Watson, etc.)
2007-09-06 23:30:07
2.   trainwreck
I think they should interview Rick or Matt White instead. Or even Jaleel White. Just not Logan White.
2007-09-06 23:39:27
3.   King of the Hobos
1 Make that 9 other candidates. Wade, Beattie, and Muzzy Jackson (Royal AGM) interviewed yesterday. John Mozeliak (Cardinal AGM), Steve Lubratich (Cleveland Director of Player Personnel), and Ruben Amaro Jr (Philly AGM) interviewed today. Bob Watson and current Astro AGMs David Gottfried and Ricky Bennett are also being considered for the position.

At least with so many guys, there's a good chance White doesn't get the job (if the Astros were looking for the best man, Ed Wade would have never been interviewed).

2007-09-07 00:13:53
4.   bhsportsguy
I don't think the Dodgers can deny permission, its an interview for one of the 30 top jobs that exists in his field.

If it was a lateral move, that's one thing, but its not.

2007-09-07 00:21:41
5.   paranoidandroid
I hope Logan is familiar with the Peter Principle.

Stay and enjoy the success of a homegrown team.

If you must be employed by Houston, please trade Roy Oswalt to us for six tickets to the the AM/PM pavillion.

2007-09-07 00:33:18
6.   Eric Enders
5 Carlos Lee approves of the trade. And says he has dibs on the tickets.
2007-09-07 00:37:42
7.   paranoidandroid
What I learned today:

1. I would have been bunting with two on, nobody out, and down a run in the ninth. I am glad to be wrong today. In the same situation in the future, I would still be bunting. Seems getting the runner to third with one out is the play to me.

2. We won without a delayed steal attempt by an old, slow guy. Can somebody remind Grady of that? I don't want to see Shea or LuGo or Kent trying to steal. Even against the Cubs.

3. I loved the Gagne years. I wanted to match/beat the Texas offer and keep him here. Ned was right to give the job to Saito. He is a legit Cy Young candidate. Other than Russ Martin, he is our MVP. Leads the bigs in era now gents.

4. Grady hit Abreu 8th. In the not so distant future, Abreu with speed and some pop in his bat will earn his way to the top of the line-up. Grady will eventually have to realize with four more years of Pierre, that Slappy belongs in that 8th slot.

5. Matt Kemp can homer outside Dodger Stadium. Time for him to hit a few more this year in SF, AZ, and Colorado. Then in NY. Then perhaps ..... Cleveland?

6. I love three run homers in the ninth inning that give us the lead.

7. I love three run homers in the ninth inning that give us the lead.

8. I'm still waiting to pay for my postseason ticket strip until after the SD series. Payment is due Sept 14th. It took 2 months for a refund last year after only using one set of tickets. I want to pay for them, believe me.

2007-09-07 00:38:07
8.   King of the Hobos
4 Why would they ask for a team's permission if they couldn't deny it? I doubt that a team ever actually does deny it, but I would assume that they could. But there's still always the chance that White simply declines to interview, which isn't uncommon. He's only been AGM for a year, there's a chance that he doesn't feel that he's ready to be GM. Or he could simply want to show some loyalty to the Dodgers.

I'm hoping that Tal Smith just convinces McLane to hire his old Public Relations Assistant, who also happens to be an 8 year veteran GM. You can't beat that kind of experience!

2007-09-07 00:40:29
9.   paranoidandroid
Anybody know what ever happened to J.R. Richard? Last I know he was living under a freeway in Houston. I recall a network news segment on him but that was maybe ten years ago.

He threw smoke.

2007-09-07 00:48:47
10.   Eric Enders
9 Purely by accident I ended up having a beer with J.R. Richard last summer. He was a nice guy and seems to be doing well. The days of freeway underpasses are definitely behind him.

8 One would think that White is smart enough to know he should wait for a good opportunity, and that Houston is not a good opportunity. Going to work for a crazy owner rarely works out well unless your name is Cashman. And Houston, more than any other team, has gone to great lengths to destroy its farm system, which is something I suspect wouldn't help lure White over there.

2007-09-07 01:09:00
11.   paranoidandroid
Eric, you serious about beers with J.R.? Hope he is doing well.
2007-09-07 01:18:18
12.   Eric Enders
Yeah, serious. Some friends and I went out to a bar and J.R. Richard and Vida Blue happened to be there. Didn't take much convincing to get them telling stories about the old days.
2007-09-07 01:25:25
13.   overkill94
Heh, Vida Blue was at a baseball camp I attended back when I was 13 or so. He seemed like a guy that just loves life and had no problem signing autographs and taking pictures with anyone who asked him.

Johnny Bench, on the other hand, couldn't have been more unfriendly and didn't sign autographs for anyone.

2007-09-07 01:26:42
14.   Eric Enders
13 That's pretty much been my experience with each of those people too.
2007-09-07 05:23:39
15.   D4P
Matt Kemp

BABIP: .410
LD%: 16.8
Expected BABIP: (16.8 + 12.0)/100 = .288

Kemp seems to be getting a lot of groundball singles, which might be what's driving up his BABIP well above what would be expected.

2007-09-07 06:06:47
16.   dodgerfan772
I live up in WA and am not going to be able to make Sunday's (9/16) game against Arizona. I have one field level ticket I would like to make sure gets used. Please email me if anyone is interested. randy.ross@xerox.com
2007-09-07 06:13:04
17.   Ken Noe
13 14 Nicest player I eve met was Joe Kerrigan, the longtime pitching coach. While in the minors, he used to tell my buddies and me the answers to the nightly trivia question so we could win steak dinners.
2007-09-07 06:16:25
18.   jtrichey
7 I can't imagine anyone who has watched Dodger baseball over the last 7 years being a proponent of the bunt with runners on 1st and second. If it worked 100% of the time fine, but it is so easy to just force the guy out at third. Then what are you left with? Even more so down a run. In a tie game again you might be able to justify it, but not down 1. Jim Tracy was a bunt addict in that situation and it usually worked about a third of the time.

In case you couldn't tell I absolutely despise that play.

2007-09-07 06:30:48
19.   paranoidandroid
18 I'm not exactly against "Moneyball" philosphy or your opinion, I simply think that the situation dictates what you do there. In most situations, Ethier's ball is a fly out to left, hard to advance a runner who might be the second out to third.

I doubt the third of time statistic, I suspect that it works at least 75% of the time. A lot could go wrong though. I believe Ethier has good enough bat control (or Ramon Martinez) to get the ball down the third base line.

2007-09-07 06:33:20
20.   Terry A
7 - I'm being a little snarky here, so I apologize in advance, but...

(Referencing #3 on your list) Ned didn't exactly "give" the job to Saito. If you'll recall, Saito didn't even break camp with the Dodgers. Saito was a gloriously lucky discovery, and I have no problem giving Colletti credit for bringing him into camp. But I don't think even Colletti himself would claim he did so with the plan or idea that "Sammytime" was about to begin.

2007-09-07 06:34:28
21.   Gen3Blue
I'm trying to remember if I heard any predictions of just how good a player Martin was going to be a year or two before he arrived. I remember people mentioning him with the other prospects, but nothing prepared me for what he has become. Watching him pick a guy off first and score easily from third on his gimpy knee continues to amaze.
2007-09-07 06:39:41
22.   Sam DC
(In fact she got Kemp, Ethier, Martin and Bills on one ball)

Wow! (And the Sandlot 19 reference was funny too.)

On the baseball gods, I was at a game at RFK last year where Ramon Ortiz (!!) had a no hitter going through the top of the eighth. In the bottom of the eighth, he hit a home run. The fans cheered and cheered and finally he came out for a curtain call.

Then he lost the no hitter to the next batter he faced.

2007-09-07 06:43:25
23.   D4P
Ned deserves credit for (like most if not all GMs) inviting a bunch of journeymen pitchers to spring training, throwing them against the wall so to speak, and then keeping the ones that stuck.

Saito happened to be one of those who stuck. I doubt there was any grand insight on Ned's part. He got lucky, though he deserves credit for taking the right approach.

The wrong approach? Trading prospects for Danys Baezes and Lance Carters.

2007-09-07 06:47:32
24.   Terry A
By the way, my son's school is selling magazine subscriptions as a fundraiser. I need to buy something, but I have no idea what. Last year it was Shutterbug, which proved to be not my cup of tea.

Sports Illustrated is an easy call, but I'm wondering if there are others out there I should consider. What's the thought on ESPN the magazine?

2007-09-07 06:48:49
25.   Sam DC
22 If you were a good dad, LAT, of course, you'd take her back to get Loney and Laroche on there.
2007-09-07 07:07:53
26.   JoeyP
Those Ethier/autograph story from the last thread was interesting.

Last month when the Dodgers played the Cardinals, my wife, my parents and me were there. It was the Penny game that Loney hit the homer. Well anyways, we were sitting right on the field down the RF line, about as close to the RF'er as any fans could be.

I wanted to pull Ethier's chain a bit, so I tried to get my wife to yell at Andre to get his attention: She was going to say, "Andre, Andre! I'm pregnant". Then I'd get a picture of him blushing and all embarrassed. Unfortunately, we didnt end up doing it.

The only other memorable parts of that game was that Loney hit a bomb right over us that was foul earlier in the game, then struck out. But then came back in the 9th to hit the GW homer.

For all the talk about Ethier having a great arm, it doenst compare to Ankiel's. I think that was only Ankiel's 2nd major league game as an OF'er, but he threw some rockets from the warning track in warm ups. He's definitely athletic out there. Ethier looks fundamentally sound, but he's wasnt very fast and broke back on just about every ball initallly even if it was shallow.

2007-09-07 07:23:00
27.   Gen3Blue
Right now the D's lead the leaque in striking out opponents, and have the fewest K's themselves.
2007-09-07 07:24:06
28.   LAT
25, Good idea Sam, I'll take any excuse to go to a game.
2007-09-07 07:28:00
29.   LAT
Don't shoot the messenger, but driving into work just now, Simmers was saying on the radio that he was hearing "rumblings" that the Dodgers are not as high as they once were on LaRoche. Apparently 'some people' feel he has too big a swing and is too vulnerable with that swing. Simmers said he wouldn't be suprised to LaRoche moved eventually.
(LAT runs for cover now.)
2007-09-07 07:33:33
30.   Jon Weisman
26 - "I wanted to pull Ethier's chain a bit, so I tried to get my wife to yell at Andre to get his attention: She was going to say, "Andre, Andre! I'm pregnant". Then I'd get a picture of him blushing and all embarrassed."

Why?

2007-09-07 07:33:37
31.   Gen3Blue
We won't shoot the messenger..yet! not getting to listen to Simmers I have no idea what his track record on info is.
2007-09-07 07:34:28
32.   regfairfield
29 I'd be upset if:
A) It probably wasn't something Simers pretty much made up
B) I didn't expect it to happen already.
2007-09-07 07:35:35
33.   ToyCannon
JR Richard, whenever he was pitching against us, I felt we had little chance. The numbers bear out his dominance against us.

Place/GS/W/ L/ CG/ SHO/ IP/ ERA/ H R/ER/HR/BB/IBB/SO/HBP
LAD/24/15/4/14/5/208/1.86/124/44/43/9/75/1/218 0

DodgerStadium /13/7/2/ 7/3/107/1.77/64/21/21/8/34/0/118/0

But he was no Larry Jaster
1966
LAD/5/5/0/5/5/45/0.00/ 24/ 0/ 0/ 0/ 8/ 0/ 31/ 1
5 games, 5 shutouts.

2007-09-07 07:35:43
34.   Jon Weisman
29 - Whatever ... I don't trust Simers not to sensationalize the Dodgers' concerns. And either way, LaRoche still might be traded. For the Dodgers, LaRoche won't have proved himself until he hits .400 for a month.
2007-09-07 07:36:36
35.   GobiasIndustries
So it turns out Rick Ankiel is on the juice.......allegedly

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/news_story/?ID=217745&hubname=mlb

2007-09-07 07:38:53
36.   GobiasIndustries
35
Nevermind! I should really read the old threads first before posting anything.
2007-09-07 07:41:13
37.   D4P
My gut has been telling me for some time that Management is not high on LaRoche, and I'd be more surprised if we kept him for a long time than if we traded him in the near future. I'm inclined to listen to my gut at the moment, as it is not hungry.

For the Dodgers, LaRoche won't have proved himself until he hits .400 for a month

With no walks.

2007-09-07 07:45:28
38.   ToyCannon
Tony Jackson actually did a nice job writing an article about the game this morning. I wonder if he knows Dylan wrote the song or if he's only familiar with the PPM version?

Watching the replay last night it really was just a high fly ball that caught some air. Vinny was talking in the 8th about how the wind was picking up from right to left. Then Ethier hit it up in the wind as on cue.

2007-09-07 07:45:34
39.   JoeyP
30--Its all in good fun. I'm sure Ethier would have known we were just messing with him, unless he really did have multiple gf's in different cities.
2007-09-07 07:46:39
40.   Ken Noe
Old school types still want a power hitter at third. I'm not surprised to hear that NedCo--who else would it be--remains iffy on LaRoche. Yet #10 has several things going for him too. Nomar has proven more brittle that ever, and Hillenbrand has done nothing to win the job. Abreu would be an option but he seems penciled in to replace Kent. NedCo could have moved LaRoche in July but didn't. My guess is that all Simers has heard is NedCo kvetching about LaRoche walking so much, which is akin to kvetching about Kemp on the basepaths.
2007-09-07 07:46:52
41.   ToyCannon
You guys are making BHSPORTSGUY nervous.
2007-09-07 07:47:06
42.   LAT
I should have noted for what its worth (not very much really) that Simmers was absolutly fawning over Russel Martin. He was also very high on Kemp's abilities but questioned his work ethic and maturity. In fairness he suggested that anyone's work ethic is suspect when compared to Martin's. (I'll agree with that.) Either Simmers or Rogin said Ethier is "moody"--whatever that means.
2007-09-07 07:48:35
43.   regfairfield
An example that hits closer to home about why we really shouldn't care about LaRoche's current struggles:

Paul Konerko with the Dodgers: 144 AB, .215/.272/.306

2007-09-07 07:48:52
44.   D4P
Old school types still want a power hitter at third

Actually, I think New school types have a greater demand for power hitters at third.

Old schoolers are content with high PVL at third (e.g. Nomar, Hillenbrand, Mueller, etc.).

2007-09-07 07:49:23
45.   regfairfield
40 But LaRoche has 20-25 home run power.
2007-09-07 07:50:46
46.   ToyCannon
40
Actually all he probably heard was Tommy bemoaning the fact that La Roche didn't bow properly when he passed by, and thus Tommy is not high on La Roche.

I doubt if Ned ever talks to any media off the record about any of the players.

Tommy will talk to anyone who pays him attention as long as your somebody.

2007-09-07 07:55:28
47.   JoeyP
Ankiel's at .358/.409/.765 after 81 MLB at bats.

Averaging 1 homer per 9abs.

I dont think he can get in trouble since he took it before it was banned. But I'm sure the "feel good" story will now change. Its too bad, bc what he's doing is something unseen in baseball.

Last guy to dominate in pitching (of course Ankiel only had 1 good MLB season), and then also be a hitter was I guess Babe Ruth?

If the Cards put Ankiel's in CF, he might be the best CF'er in the game if he OPS's 900 or so.

2007-09-07 07:56:39
48.   ToyCannon
40
That is a bit strange. La Roche will hit more home runs then Nomar/Shea/Abreu combined.

Really the only question is health not ability. If they feel his back will hold him back from hitting his ceiling then I can understand them not being comfortable headed into 2008 with him as the 3b.

2007-09-07 07:57:21
49.   Penarol1916
24. ESPN is much worse than Sports Illustrated. The only magazine subscription that I've found to be worth the money I spent on it is The Economist.
2007-09-07 07:59:00
50.   Sam DC
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2007-09-07 08:00:31
51.   ToyCannon
47
I love the story but how did a guy who's MLE show a sub 300 OB% all of the sudden morph into Jim Edmunds Prime?

Jeff Francouer had the same kind of start but eventually his plate discipline caught up to him. The same should happen for Ankiel but it is a great ride at the moment.

2007-09-07 08:00:53
52.   CanuckDodger
LaRoche doesn't have a long swing. His swing is actually quick. But he does let the ball get deep into the zone before he swings, and if he is doing that and trying to pull the ball, well, that AB is going to end up in a strike out. LaRoche just needs to relax a little, but easier said than done when there is so much pressure on him right now.
2007-09-07 08:11:28
53.   Ken Noe
[44, 45, 48] Potential aside, NedCo's still going to make him produce more than good AAA numbers before he let's him settle in. I have no doubt he'll have to battle someone for the job next spring.

ToyCannon's right though about noting the injury concerns, as well as Simer's source maybe being Tommy.

2007-09-07 08:14:59
54.   GobiasIndustries
This story at Bleed Cubbie Blue says Andre Ethier is a jerkface to people wanting autographs.

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/

I don't buy it.

2007-09-07 08:18:56
55.   Bob Timmermann
54
This just isn't your day I guess.
2007-09-07 08:23:09
56.   D4P
54
Did you see that Ned signed Juan Pierre to a 5-year contract? It was mentioned in a previous thread.
2007-09-07 08:23:17
57.   LogikReader
If you look at this "Who would you like to see at 3B poll" on KFWB.com...

This proves once and for all that the average Dodger fan is, how should I put it....?

http://www.kfwb.com/pages/7789.php?

2007-09-07 08:26:54
58.   JoeyP
51--I think the thing with Ankiel is that he hasnt been a hitter very long (career wise), and that he could learn discipline along the way.

His situation IMO is different from a guy thats been a hitter his entire career and has never walked.

With all of Ankiel's power, I doubt he'll get much to hit and it'll be interesting to see if he can not chase balls. He has 10 walks in 81 ABs so far. Not great, not terrible.

2007-09-07 08:28:33
59.   LAT
57. The amazing part of htat is not that 43% voted for Nomar but that 7% actually voted for Hillenbrand. That 7% must Padre fans or people joking around.
2007-09-07 08:30:35
60.   GobiasIndustries
55
No I guess it isn't.......I'm done for the day.

56
Lame attempt at comedy. You can do better than that I'm sure.

2007-09-07 08:34:10
61.   D4P
Lame attempt at comedy. You can do better than that I'm sure

I assure you, that was no laughing matter.

2007-09-07 08:38:38
62.   Disabled List
Between the Logan White news and the LaRoche rumblings, this thread is giving me indigestion.
2007-09-07 08:39:02
63.   GobiasIndustries
61
See. Now that's funny.
2007-09-07 08:39:09
64.   Gen3Blue
50 Amazing pictures Sam.

The Lenox Ma. library, run by a private group, just spent millions restoring some domed cielings covered with artwork. At your cite, I found a cite about "Librarys We Love" , by the Berkshire Publishing group, based two towns away. It didn't mention the Lenox Library! Gives me something to snoop into.

2007-09-07 08:49:06
65.   madmac
56 LOL
2007-09-07 08:52:08
66.   ToyCannon
It wouldn't bother me if Logan White get the gig. If his dream is to be a GM then I hope he gets it. He won't be our GM so he might as well be someone else's. It is not like they have very many openings every year.

It is interesting that they are interviewing so many and Kim is not even on the list. I think she has a better chance of outlasting Ned and getting our gig then she does of someone hiring her from the outside.

2007-09-07 08:56:42
67.   old dodger fan
57 LaRoche has 59% of the votes and Nomar has 31%. What were you expecting?
2007-09-07 09:03:23
68.   ToyCannon
That is because about 10 of us just voted for La Roche. Before he posted the link the link, Nomar was ahead.
2007-09-07 09:08:15
69.   old dodger fan
68 Make it 11.
2007-09-07 09:10:53
70.   ToyCannon
58
From Baseball HQ:
"Market Ticker... Rick Ankiel (OF, STL) continued his fairy tale story on Thursday with two home runs and seven RBI against PIT. Ankiel now has nine homers and 29 RBI in only 81 AB. How long can this continue? With a PX over 200 and a ground ball rate of only 29%, with 22% line drives and 49% fly balls, the power seems real. However, a 39% hit rate and a batting eye of 0.38 in the majors and 0.27 at AAA Memphis say Ankiel's .358 BA is headed down soon. His xBA is .291."
2007-09-07 09:11:37
71.   Gen3Blue
68 There is a lesson about something here. Maybe the age of the net.
2007-09-07 09:12:34
72.   ToyCannon
Logan White seems a better fit for the Pirate job then Houston.
2007-09-07 09:20:59
73.   Peanuts in My Shoes
I was reading through one of Logan's old chats just a couple of days ago and wondering if he had GM aspirations, and more so, if he'd be qualified. What's the general feeling here on whether he'd make a good GM (contracts, deals, etc)?

69. Make it 12.

2007-09-07 09:23:15
74.   fanerman
I voted for Andy.
2007-09-07 09:26:08
75.   old dodger fan
68 They wouldn't let me vote for A-Rod.
2007-09-07 09:26:14
76.   das411
Of course!! The whole interviewing with Houston thing was just cover, but it's so obvious...PITTSBURGH is going to hire Ed Wade now!!

(seriously, Dodger fans, your team has made the playoffs 4 times since the Pirates even had a winning season. Things could be a lot worse than having to watch Juan Pierre in CF for four more years, would you prefer it be Adam Hyzdu and Chris Duffy instead?)

2007-09-07 09:40:53
77.   Icaros
76

I don't know...if we had Duffy, I could fantasize about signing one of the 2,000 free agent CFs on the market this winter who are better than Juan Pierre.

2007-09-07 09:52:40
78.   D4P
77
Speaking of fantasizing, have you been "bowling" a lot lately...?
2007-09-07 09:53:34
79.   Icaros
78

No, that ball has apparently gone into the gutter.

2007-09-07 09:56:55
80.   regfairfield
76 Speaking of Hydzu, my friend and I were trying to make a list of the guys that have pretty much bounced through every stat heavy organization. We came up with Hydzu, Jack Cust, Carlos Pena, and Mark Bellhorn. Are there others?
2007-09-07 09:58:43
81.   D4P
79
Spare me the details...

Just kidding. That's too bad. It seemed to get off to such a great start.

2007-09-07 09:59:17
82.   D4P
80
Hee Seop Choi!
Hee Seop Choi!
Hee Seop Choi!
2007-09-07 10:00:55
83.   regfairfield
Das hinted at this, but Pittsburgh just fired Dave Littlefield.

Did not see that one coming.

2007-09-07 10:01:04
84.   bhsportsguy
I was wondering why I would be nervous and then I remembered.
2007-09-07 10:04:19
85.   Icaros
81

Yeah, keeps happening that way. I've stopped trying to understand.

2007-09-07 10:04:31
86.   Megaballs
Sat in the RF bleachers at Wrigley yesterday for that glorious game.
Was singing the praises of our 5 sub 25 year old position players.
These fans were knowledgable and seemingly geniune when Ethier came up. I spoke highly of him(the knew and respected the Bison,fyi)to no one in particular when they insisted b4 the game Ethier was surly and rude talking with the bleacher bums. They said he ended it by throwing the ball as is custom, but OVER the bleachers to spite them after some verbalbanter.
Doesn't sound right or necessary. Might want to address this.
The Windy City fans do have a bit of a drinking problem and a growing fondness for booing and hecklin' however.
2007-09-07 10:04:46
87.   rockmrete
Perhaps the only way to have a shot at AROD is to shed some long term salary. And the only way to move Pierre would be to include a prospect. If LaRoache were that prospect it clears that position, rids us of Pierre and we keep the rest of the kids. Wishfull thinking I know, but I can dream can't I.
2007-09-07 10:11:00
88.   underdog
Everytime I heard something about Hydzu I thought they were talking about an invasive plant.
2007-09-07 10:11:00
89.   Icaros
87

More wishfully, I'd trade Furcal with Pierre. A-Rod at SS. Andy at 3B.

I don't want to hear that A-Rod can't play SS anymore. He can.

2007-09-07 10:14:04
90.   underdog
86 As mused about in previous thread... it seems Ethier deserves more of the benefit of the doubt than Cubs fans would want to give him yesterday, and even if he did do a couple of obnoxious things it's possible given the history of Cubs fans vs. the history of Ethier that it was at least in part spurned by their own obnoxiousness in the first place. Maybe he was tired of their "verbal banter." Maybe they didn't deserve a ball.

Like I said in previous thread, the autograph story also sounds like one that has some truth to it but which gets exaggerated and distorted to tilt to one side.

2007-09-07 10:14:55
91.   D4P
85
Weird. Guess you'll have to revert to DGs.
2007-09-07 10:17:46
92.   regfairfield
Now that Littlefield is gone, who takes over as worst GM? Bowden? Bavasi? Flannagan?
2007-09-07 10:18:18
93.   rockmrete
89
Even better.
2007-09-07 10:20:49
94.   rockmrete
89
Those two for 2008 are around 22 Million if I'm right.
2007-09-07 10:21:37
95.   JoeyP
Wrigley Field doesnt have a typical baseball crowd. Its not far from Loyola or DePaul (Lincoln Park), and Wrigleyville is filled with recent college grads.

The Cubs games are more about being seen as social event than actually being interested in the team.

The way the ballpark is nestled into a regular neighborhood is nice though. Doesnt surprise me that Ethier got yelled at bc the Cubs do sell beer in the bleachers.

2007-09-07 10:22:08
96.   KG16
LaRoche up to 70% in the KFWB poll, I wish they would include the number of votes.

89 - I heard that if A-Rod goes somewhere else, he will want to play shortstop again. I'm not a big fan of trading Furcal, we do need a lead off hitter that has some ability to get on base. Can Hu play second? And of course, if we move Pierre (please) what do we do about center? Bring up Youn