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Double Singleheader Day

2007-09-18 11:56

by Jon Weisman

Today's first game (12:05 p.m.):

Gameday

Retro Gameday

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Today's second game (5:35 p.m.):

Gameday

Retro Gameday

Rafael Furcal is day-to-day (or, for the realists out there, season-to-season) with lower-back tightness, reports Kevin Baxter of the Times.

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2007-09-18 12:05:08

1. El Lay Dave

Great day for baseball; let's comment on two!

2007-09-18 12:07:47

2. Bluebleeder87

101 (from last thread)

was a great read from BP, I have the Cory Schwartz (fantasy411, mlb.com) frame of mind about Coors field/Colorado in that, you deal with the cards your dealt with & don't try & change/alter things by humidoring the ML Balls

2007-09-18 12:08:43

3. Curtis Lowe

Did gameday drop the strikezone?

2007-09-18 12:08:52

4. bhsportsguy

No NPUT on the last thread

2007-09-18 12:09:27

5. Bluebleeder87

It's always a good day when Pierre walks.

2007-09-18 12:09:42

6. D4P

This business of throwing non-strikes to Pierre has me confused.

2007-09-18 12:11:00

7. King of the Hobos

Pierre now has more walks in September than any other month this year.

2007-09-18 12:11:46

8. D4P

If I were Francis, I'd be more concerned about Kemp than Pierre.

2007-09-18 12:12:25

9. fanerman

7 He's also sporting a .380 OBP this month.

2007-09-18 12:13:02

10. Bluebleeder87

I think Bills will have a pretty good day at Coors Field, he's been throwing strikes so i'm pretty optimistic

2007-09-18 12:13:39

11. ucladodger

If that ball was where gameday placed it, Kemp should have hit that pitch out 2-0.

2007-09-18 12:14:19

12. dzzrtRatt

7 Maybe he's shrinking.

2007-09-18 12:14:40

13. KG16

Walking Kent to get to Loney, yeah, that's a smart move.

2007-09-18 12:14:42

14. Andrew Shimmin

5- Surprisingly, that's not true. In games in which Pierre's only offensive contribution is one walk, the Dodgers are 1-9. They were 0-9, before Saturday.

2007-09-18 12:14:43

15. Humma Kavula

Walking Kent to get to Loney? Make 'em pay.

2007-09-18 12:14:43

16. MollyKnight

They're walking Kent to face Loney with two outs? Have they been watching Sports Center this past month?

2007-09-18 12:14:49

17. MMSMikey

thank you, clint hurdle.

2007-09-18 12:14:59

18. Wilbert Robinson

Is anyboy else having problems with the mlb.com feed. I'm reall sulking over missing a Pierre walk.

2007-09-18 12:15:11

19. imperabo

Wow, good scouting there Rocks.

2007-09-18 12:15:28

20. MMSMikey

this is the same loney that had 9 rbis at coors, right?

2007-09-18 12:16:00

21. D4P

I'm reall sulking over missing a Pierre walk

It wasn't that exciting.

2007-09-18 12:16:11

22. imperabo

Have they forgotten the 9 rbi game he had against them last year?

2007-09-18 12:16:15

23. fan 4 40 plus

20 Sept 28 2006 ...

2007-09-18 12:16:17

24. bhsportsguy

Well if Kent is 8 for 16 against Francis in his career, it makes sense.

2007-09-18 12:16:20

25. MollyKnight

Maybe he was trying to shock him into making an out.

2007-09-18 12:17:22

26. El Lay Dave

4 You just have to feel it.

That's a walk spree for JP.

2007-09-18 12:17:35

27. Wilbert Robinson

24 Anybody know what the ideal sample size would be for Batter v. Pitcher?

2007-09-18 12:17:44

28. bhsportsguy

It worked out for them.

2007-09-18 12:18:16

29. El Lay Dave

23 Billingsley pitched in that game.

2007-09-18 12:18:48

30. Wilbert Robinson

what's happening? the feed nor gameday is working for me.

2007-09-18 12:18:50

31. Humma Kavula

That's too bad. Was that pitch really where Gameday shows it?

2007-09-18 12:19:09

32. bhsportsguy

27 I don't know, Pujols probably doesn't have a lot of at bats against Odalis Perez but it seems every time he faced him, he hit a home run.

8 for 16 seems to indicate that Kent sees the ball really well against Francis.

2007-09-18 12:19:15

33. Humma Kavula

30 Pop up.

2007-09-18 12:19:21

34. hernari

I try not to thank until something good actually happens or you run the risk of jinxing it

2007-09-18 12:19:22

35. El Lay Dave

IBB in the first? Interesting choice.

2007-09-18 12:20:08

36. caseybarker

>>16

2007-09-18 12:20:10

37. King of the Hobos

Just to throw it out there, the Philadelphia Daily News seems to think Ruben Amaro Jr is the favorite for the Astros GM. We should learn White's status either tonight or tomorrow.

2007-09-18 12:21:06

38. Xeifrank

27. a couple hundred??
vr, Xei

2007-09-18 12:22:33

39. sporky

I was rushing so I can watch this game, and I spilled phenol on myself. I hope the Dodgers don't stink as much as I do right now.

2007-09-18 12:22:43

40. adamclyde

ok, I'm sure you guys have talked about this in the past... I've been away from mlb's Gameday lately, but have they taken away the individual pitch stats? (like speed, break, etc.)? Or is the feed just not coming through for me?

2007-09-18 12:23:39

41. Terry A

39 - Man, if I had a nickel for every time I've done that... I wouldn't have any more nickels than I have now.

Not a lot of phenol in PR. There is, however, a lot of stinky work.

2007-09-18 12:23:42

42. sporky

40 - Mine doesn't work, either. The pitches magically appear like acne.

2007-09-18 12:24:07

43. Humma Kavula

Nice, Chad!!

2007-09-18 12:24:22

44. caseybarker

I think the confidence with which you can make predictions only increases with sample size, therefore if data costs nothing to obtain (mlb.com) there is no optimal sample size.

2007-09-18 12:24:36

45. Bluebleeder87

Beautiful tailing in fastball to strike out Holliday

2007-09-18 12:24:41

46. Bob Timmermann

Dodger Thoughts (and other Toaster blogs) can operate on autopilot.

2007-09-18 12:25:22

47. bhsportsguy

38 That's way too high, Kent only has 55 at bats against Glavine, he has 84 against Maddux.

Probably 30 is a pretty good sample.

2007-09-18 12:25:26

48. rockmrete

TJ Simmers said this morning that McCourt should do everything he can to keep White, and that White should be the next GM

2007-09-18 12:26:54

49. bhsportsguy

Russell gets a Coors Field single.

2007-09-18 12:27:23

50. imperabo

47 I think he's saying they can never have a large enough sample for batter vs. pitcher stats to be useful. I think that's correct, unless you have a really extreme result, which 8-16 is not.

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2007-09-18 12:28:17

51. Humma Kavula

Too bad, Andy.

2007-09-18 12:29:15

52. King of the Hobos

47 No, a couple hundred is far better than 30, or even 84. Anyways, those 84 came over the span of a decade, in many different environments, and are probably not representative of Maddux's and Kent's current abilities.

2007-09-18 12:30:21

53. Curtis Lowe

Andy is swinging the Dodgers into a Lowell acquisition.

2007-09-18 12:30:55

54. Xeifrank

47. Statistically speaking 30 is a very weak sample size. Depends on what kind of confidence level you want. vr, Xei

2007-09-18 12:32:14

55. Wilbert Robinson

stupid humidor

2007-09-18 12:33:26

56. King of the Hobos

53 Isn't he just securing Nomar's already very secure hold of 3B for 2008? Would Ned really go after Lowell when he has Nomar?

2007-09-18 12:33:38

57. silverwidow

53 -- But there's that Nomar guy still around. Where's he going to play?

2007-09-18 12:34:08

58. Wilbert Robinson

56 I think so. Ned has never been shy about overloading a position.

2007-09-18 12:35:16

59. Wilbert Robinson

57 Rover

2007-09-18 12:36:09

60. Gen3Blue

This is ridiculous trying to watch the game, follow Gameday, watch stock options and moniter DT with my connection running slow.
Both pitchers look good although I haven't watched Bills much yet.

2007-09-18 12:36:29

61. El Lay Dave

58 But what position has been overloaded with multiple veterans?

2007-09-18 12:36:33

62. Dark Horse

I don't think Ned'll chase the likes of Lowell. But I do think he might deal LaRoche. LaRoche has been unimpressive (to a careless eye, like Ned's, at the very least) and he's got back issues. And it's a power position where we need an upgrade. If Ned hangs on to Andy, I'll be most pleasantly surprised.

2007-09-18 12:37:44

63. KG16

62 - unless the Dodgers sign A-Rod, I think La Roche gets one more year to win the job at third. After that, it's a wide open question.

2007-09-18 12:37:55

64. King of the Hobos

61 Lugo became a veteran rover when he was acquired.

2007-09-18 12:39:49

65. trainwreck

I wonder how hard Furcal rolls a bowling ball.

2007-09-18 12:39:57

66. Gen3Blue

I'm not getting the pitch data again on gameday. It dawns on me that maybe only certain ballparks are rigged for it.

2007-09-18 12:40:01

67. D4P

I am interested in Billingsley's start thus far.

2007-09-18 12:41:08

68. Bluebleeder87

Chad is pitching really well, it looks like the thin air of Colorado isn't affecting him at all, he's vintage Bills™

2007-09-18 12:42:29

69. Gen3Blue

67 See something different?

2007-09-18 12:42:43

70. King of the Hobos

66 All ballparks are rigged, although it hasn't been turned on in two of them (Baltimore, and maybe Pittsburgh? I'm not sure of the second). However, over the last week, it's been turned off periodically in the middle of games for no obvious reason. The Gameday Blog hasn't been updated in awhile, and offers no reason why the detailed information has been disappearing.

2007-09-18 12:43:13

71. silverwidow

I don't have anymore worries about Billingsley losing his spot next year. Loaiza has been terrible; Wolf and Schmidt are question marks.

Penny/Lowe/Bills = 3 headed monster

2007-09-18 12:43:26

72. KG16

It's rather funny that the Rockies have a couple of guys that backed up the Manning brothers in college. Some days, I wish Helton would have stuck to football, usually when the Dodgers play the Rockies.

2007-09-18 12:43:47

73. Bluebleeder87

I agree, plus Nomar's '07 #'s aren't knocking angelinos off there feet.

2007-09-18 12:46:11

74. Bluebleeder87

Pierre's little singles make me feel warm & fuzzy inside.

2007-09-18 12:46:38

75. Bob Timmermann

I think the Rockies should sign Jim Sorgi to play for them as well.

2007-09-18 12:47:37

76. Jacob L

Time to "put some pressure on the defense," and "wreak havoc on the basepaths." That, or get thrown out trying.

2007-09-18 12:47:41

77. Xeifrank

Juan Pierre is a machine.
vr, Xei

2007-09-18 12:48:04

78. ucladodger

Man, Francis is really leaving stuff up in the zone today. especially to Matt.

2007-09-18 12:48:08

79. imperabo

Pierre would have scored on that if Pierre was still playing center for the Rocks.

2007-09-18 12:48:11

80. El Lay Dave

Ah, a rally brewing.

2007-09-18 12:48:20

81. Reiichi

Has there been any articles where Logan White has talked about the GM position as a possible future? It just seems like he loves scouting young players and watching them develop too much to do anything else.

2007-09-18 12:48:37

82. El Lay Dave

No open base for Kent now.

2007-09-18 12:48:59

83. Xeifrank

80. better than a Brewer rallying.
vr, Xei

2007-09-18 12:49:02

84. Jacob L

I guess we'd need a ruling on Furcal and Pierre, but otherwise, Kent is the only PVL in today's lineup. Better come through.

2007-09-18 12:49:07

85. El Lay Dave

81 He just interviewed for the open Houston GM job.

2007-09-18 12:49:35

86. KG16

Even though that wasn't hit hard enough for a double play, Kent still just barely beat the throw.

2007-09-18 12:50:18

87. Gen3Blue

Seems to me Wills would have scored on that situation.

2007-09-18 12:50:24

88. El Lay Dave

Sheesh, could have been worse.

2007-09-18 12:50:46

89. adamclyde

81 at the end of the press enterprise story jon linked to this morning, logan white had this to say about his interview for the GM position:

"Both of us feel like this is the beginning," White said. "We have a lot of unfinished business. We're living the dream together."

That seems to me that he'd be interested...

2007-09-18 12:50:54

90. Bob Timmermann

87
And then Wills would have lectured us about it too.

2007-09-18 12:52:34

91. KG16

84 - I think the PVL index really kicks in around age 35 or so. Furcal and Pierre are both 29, so neither one counts.

2007-09-18 12:53:21

92. Reiichi

89 thanks

2007-09-18 12:53:26

93. Humma Kavula

Gah. The lineup I wanted is, thus far, frustrating me. Still, five baserunners in three innings is a good sign.

2007-09-18 12:54:21

94. dzzrtRatt

Are we at least making Francis burn up his arm a little? Or does he get stronger if you don't get to him early?

2007-09-18 12:55:14

95. El Lay Dave

94 55 pitches thus far.

2007-09-18 12:55:20

96. Bluebleeder87

I was trying to look for individual #'s for Loney against Francis to no avail (Loney doesn't look comfortable againt Francis) I'm guessing he hasn't faced him all that much.

2007-09-18 12:55:24

97. Gen3Blue

87 undoubtably

2007-09-18 12:55:52

98. dzzrtRatt

Here's the thing with the young players: They don't play as well as the veterans all the time. And they never will, unless you actually play them.

Nobody should be pulling any triggers if this lineup loses the game. It's my understanding that the Jacksonville team also lost a few games here and there.

2007-09-18 12:55:55

99. El Lay Dave

89 But White said that about Loney. After the interview.

2007-09-18 12:56:18

100. Gen3Blue

you know I meant 90, not 87

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2007-09-18 12:56:53

101. King of the Hobos

91 Has to be closer to 30, as Nomar, Martinez, Hillenbrand, and Hendrickson are all under 35.

2007-09-18 12:56:54

102. El Lay Dave

96 1-5, 1K before today. Not much to go on.

2007-09-18 12:57:31

103. Gen3Blue

Good thing Bills didn't touch it

2007-09-18 12:57:55

104. Bluebleeder87

man, that was a tailor made DP if there ever was one.

2007-09-18 12:58:20

105. Humma Kavula

98 Agreed. And there are nice signs, as I said. Still, some runs would be good, too.

2007-09-18 12:58:33

106. imperabo

Neville Longbottom at the plate.

2007-09-18 12:59:09

107. Bob Timmermann

Don't trust anyone over 29.

2007-09-18 12:59:26

108. Bluebleeder87

the way Bills is pitching, all we need is 1 or 2 runs, seriously.

2007-09-18 13:00:15

109. Xeifrank

seems like a pretty fast game.
vr, Xei

2007-09-18 13:00:38

110. underdog

So I guess this will be the pitcher's duel for lunch, to be followed by dessert - the football game that will break out in the nightcap.

2007-09-18 13:01:00

111. Disabled List

This is still Coors Field. We need more than 1 or 2 runs.

2007-09-18 13:01:41

112. Wilbert Robinson

94 Francis

Pitch 1-25 ops+ = 122
Pitch 26-50 ops+ = 74
Pitch 51-75 ops+ = 110
Pitch 76-100 ops+ = 109
Pitch 101+ ops+ = 46

2007-09-18 13:02:10

113. fanerman

Russell Martin = Neville Longbottom?

2007-09-18 13:03:34

114. D4P

BP has finally updated their playoff probabilities.

Wild Card

PHIL: 31.7
SD: 27.6
AZ: 24.7
LA: 7.8

2007-09-18 13:04:25

115. underdog

C'mon Andy, here's your chance to shine!

2007-09-18 13:04:25

116. trainwreck

113
He means Francis.

2007-09-18 13:04:30

117. El Lay Dave

45 pitches for Billingsley.

2007-09-18 13:04:53

118. Andrew Shimmin

Aflac question is rubbing our collective nose in what rightfully was Piazza's MVP award. If you'd like to switch to Colonial Supplemental Insurance, to spite them, call: 1-800-325-4368.

2007-09-18 13:05:26

119. KG16

101 - age isn't the only defining characteristic for PVL. Nomar and Hillenbrand have been in pennant races and played in post season games (even though they did these things while young) in Boston. Martinez also has World Series experience™, along with all that post season experience. As for Hendrickson, even though he hasn't been in the Bigs very long, he did have that time in the NBA, so he knows what it means to be a professional athlete.

2007-09-18 13:05:32

120. trainwreck

LaRoche needs to not always start out 0-2.

2007-09-18 13:05:42

121. imperabo

113 Careful. You could get hit by lightning saying that even in question form.

2007-09-18 13:05:44

122. underdog

Was that a punish-the-rookie strike call? Because it sure looked way outside to me?

2007-09-18 13:06:32

123. Disabled List

114 Hey, at least we have a better chance of winning the Wild Card than the Mets!

2007-09-18 13:06:58

124. El Lay Dave

I predict that in his third AB, LaRoche hits an outside breaking ball into the RCF gap.

2007-09-18 13:07:08

125. underdog

120 Ditto Ethier.

2007-09-18 13:07:17

126. Jacob L

119 There are so many, many times that I just wish we could send Hendrickson out there to use up some fouls.

2007-09-18 13:07:24

127. MollyKnight

It looks like we might need to rely on Billingsley for offense today too.

2007-09-18 13:07:25

128. silverwidow

I feel really bad LaRoche -- talk about an up and down year for the kid.

2007-09-18 13:08:26

129. El Lay Dave

Two of the three true outcomes this inning. Bills to provide the third?

2007-09-18 13:08:34

130. Andrew Shimmin

113- This is even worse than when somebody tried to give him a soccer nickname.

2007-09-18 13:08:41

131. MollyKnight

Woo!

2007-09-18 13:08:44

132. imperabo

Messup by Martin.

2007-09-18 13:08:48

133. Bluebleeder87

This is still Coors Field. We need more than 1 or 2 runs.

I'm telling you I'm watching the game, Bills is on cruise control, all we need is 1 or 2 MAYBE 3 runs & this game is in the bag.

2007-09-18 13:08:55

134. KG16

126 - that may be the funniest thing I've read on DT in about 2 months

2007-09-18 13:08:57

135. dzzrtRatt

Pitchers like to throw balls to Billingsley. I wonder why.

2007-09-18 13:09:08

136. Jacob L

128 You think he might be pressing just a tad. "Go out there and hit .340 for a month, and we'll think about putting you in platoon, kid."

2007-09-18 13:09:21

137. underdog

Guess it's up to our slugger Billingsley to work the count and get a hit.

2007-09-18 13:09:21

138. Bob Timmermann

Ruud Vanmartinrooij!

2007-09-18 13:09:22

139. overkill94

How did Martin not make it to third on that one?

2007-09-18 13:10:12

140. fanerman

121 130 I just saw comment 106 , then I saw the yahoo gameday thing, with Russell at-bat. I was confused.

2007-09-18 13:10:58

141. Humma Kavula

OK, time to go buy some lunch. By the time I get back, I want some Dodger runs!!

2007-09-18 13:11:23

142. El Lay Dave

Furcal is hitting from his better side....

2007-09-18 13:11:25

143. imperabo

139 If Kemp did that we'd be hearing all about it.

2007-09-18 13: