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Grandma, What Big Eyes You Have
2007-10-12 08:25
by Jon Weisman

So, I think a lot of us are realizing how hard it is going to be for the Dodgers to win the National League West next season.

Not that there was that grand a difference between Los Angeles and the two NLCS finalists during the regular season - again, we're basically talking about a win a month. But the Dodgers certainly aren't lapping the field.

The Rockies, Diamondbacks and Padres all battled injuries in 2007, yet all finished ahead of the Dodgers. Outside of the Alex Rodriguez longshot, there isn't a whole lot the Dodgers can do in the free agent market to make a huge difference. There are definitely things that can go right for the Dodgers in 2008, but are they stuck until Clayton Kershaw and James McDonald or some such start making an impact ... maybe not until 2009?

Considering Colorado's slow start to 2007, for example, is there really much reason to think they'll do worse in 2008?

It's going to be some pennant race next year - that just about seems certain. Based on what is likely to happen during the offseason, what do you expect the 2008 NL West standings to be?

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2007-10-12 08:39:28
1.   D4P
Considering Colorado's slow start to 2007, for example, is there really much reason to think they'll do worse in 2008?

Well, Matt Holliday will have a glossy book this offseason, and I'm guessing it won't dwell much on his home-road split.

2007-10-12 08:41:16
2.   Andrew Shimmin
1. D'backs 122-40
2. Rockies 92-70
3. Dodgers 87-75
4. Padres 82-80
5. Giants 12-150
2007-10-12 08:42:50
3.   D4P
Dodgers' record in games not against Giants:

87-63

2007-10-12 08:43:19
4.   LogikReader
Jon, I think it is prudent to point out that the Dodgers had their own share of injuries, but primarily in pitching. Not too many teams can overcome 3/5 of the rotation going down for most of the year.

Loney will get a chance to play the whole season. Kemp figures to do the same. Ethier could be either platooned or traded. Gonzalez is out, Pierre can't possibly play any worse. Furcal figures to be healthy.

The Dodgers should at least get 3rd place, since the majority of the team is already set into place, including the rotation.

Things will change if Ned decides to tinker...

In my hummmmble opinion, I think the entire Rockies pitching staff is peaking at the right time. This might be shades of White Sox 2005. I won't expect that kind of pitching two years in a row, but I am open to suggestions to the contrary.

2007-10-12 08:45:42
5.   D4P
Pierre can't possibly play any worse

He certainly can, especially as his speed declines with age.

2007-10-12 08:45:59
6.   Jon Weisman
4 - I thought it was understood/stipulated that the Dodgers had injuries too. But you're right.
2007-10-12 08:48:00
7.   LogikReader
Andrew, if the Diamondbacks really win 100 games or more in '08, I'm sending you a gift basket.
2007-10-12 08:49:43
8.   Improbable88
Wow. Really? 122 wins for the Diamondacks? They are the one Western Division team I expect a big letdown from next year.

I think Giants fans know they will stink next year.

2007-10-12 08:49:58
9.   JoeyP
1. D'backs 91-71---this time with a legit pythagorean record
2. Rockies 88-74
3. Padres 82-80
4. Dodgers 82-80
5. Giants 70-92

Repeat of last year.
Plug Loaiza into the Tomko/Hendrickson role.
Plug LaRoche into the Loney role, with Nomar being the roadblock.
Plug Juan Pierre into well, Juan Pierre.

Dbax/Rockies should be good again.
Padres will slip.
Dodgers stay the same.
Giants stay the same.

2007-10-12 08:53:16
10.   Andrew Shimmin
The forty games they lose will only come after the league declares that the D'backs have to spot the team they're playing 12 runs, every game for the remainder of the season, because Congress threatened to revoke their anti-trust exemption, otherwise.
2007-10-12 08:53:26
11.   JoeyP
I think the entire Rockies pitching staff is peaking at the right time

That might be.
But it could be that Morales/Jiminez are legitate top of the rotation guys.
Jeff Francis is solid.
Aaron Cook should be back next year.

The Rox will never win based on their pitching anyways. Its their bashing of the ball that carries them. Hawpe, Holiday, Atkins, Tulo, Helton arent going to get any worse.

If they can deal Tavares in the off-season and play Spillborgs full time in CF, they could be the best offense in the league easily, regardless of park factors.

2007-10-12 08:59:02
12.   ToyCannon
Ask me on April 1st.
2007-10-12 09:05:12
13.   Bumsrap
Leaving AROD out of the equation for everybody, the team most likely to weaken itself druing the off season is the Dodgers. The untinkered with team most likely to improve is the Dodgers as well.

Going into 2008 the Dodgers should have one less weak arm in the outfield and perhaps play more games with more speed at second base.

Nomar could have a decent year at third and LaRoche might contribute there as well--something mostly missing last year from third base.

2007-10-12 09:07:39
14.   underdog
Yeah, I abstain on this question until spring training. I see no reason to believe the Dodgers can't improve next year, too, regardless of how strong the division is next year. I expect the DBacks to regress, frankly. I expect the Rockies to compete. I expect the Padres to slightly regress. I expect the Giants to be about the same. Given all that, and some dead weight potentially cast off by the Dodgers, and hopefully a less injured pitching staff with more youth involved, I expect a bit of an improvement (separate even from the A Rod question, which may be rhetorical at this point.)
2007-10-12 09:11:03
15.   Bumsrap
Also, the Dodgers could add two strong starters in June--Kershaw and McDonald, and if Miller can find his control, he could make the rotation out of spring training.
2007-10-12 09:15:52
16.   D4P
and perhaps play more games with more speed at second base

If that means Abreu, then it probably also means less power and OBP at second base.

2007-10-12 09:16:01
17.   Gen3Blue
Without much thought at this early point.

Colorado
LA
Arizona
San Diego

San Fran

2007-10-12 09:16:32
18.   Hythloday
I think Ned and Frank are probably looking at the NLCS and thinking the same thing. Only they see it and know that a) they're have the biggest payroll in the NL West, b) they can't merely compete for the playoffs. For better or worse this probably puts them more in the position of throwing money at A-Rod. If you're the biggest market team in the division with the biggest payroll you can't be content to merely compete with our youngsters against theirs (even if it is advisable) because on the surface it leaves too much to chance. They have to throw money at someone. I just hope it is an actual difference maker.
2007-10-12 09:16:50
19.   Ben P
I am worried about the Rockies, but less so the D'Backs. Yes, they are young and will get better, but how much better? Will their offense really improve that much without some big signings? Upton, Young and Drew could all have better seasons, but they're starting from the basement in terms of NL offenses. I also don't see their starting pitching getting much better without some additions.

I don't see the Padres improving much on their own either. Who in their starting lineup can we expect to be significantly better next year? Maybe Kouzmanoff, though his ceiling doesn't seem that high to me. And their current outfield is old and injury-prone.

2007-10-12 09:18:50
20.   LogikReader
All I know is this, very few sportswriters are picking Dodgers to finish in first place next year. That should work to our advantage.

---

I remember there was one year, I think it was 2004, where the Steelers did not have a single Monday night game and probably just one Sunday night game... remember that team? They only finished 15-1. Predictions based on the last year are hard to do.

2007-10-12 09:19:27
21.   dkminnick
15 I hope you're right, but I fear Ned is especially reluctant to use young pitchers in key roles - even more so than position players.

I would not be surprised to see our current pitching staff supplemented with NRI's (as opposed to rookies) in 2008. Which would not be good.

2007-10-12 09:20:56
22.   caseybarker
I would pretty much rule AROD out as Boras' demands have risen to a decade at 35-40 mil per MLB Traderumors.

And don't count out Elbert for next year.

2007-10-12 09:22:19
23.   bhsportsguy
I was just looking at the 2006 standings this morning and although you have to account for added experience and personnel changes, the best finish any of the 4 finalists had last year was 3rd place and all of 4 teams finished double digit games behind the division winner.

Baseball could be becoming more like football in the sense that a lot of teams are so closely matched that just the randomness of an injury, an emergence of a new player, sometimes maybe one error in a key game could swing the difference. Yes, larger payrolls do help but they are no guarantees to success.

It certainly won't be easy but I think every team in the NL West can say that but I will take the easy way out and say I will wait until Spring to make a prediction.

2007-10-12 09:24:36
24.   LogikReader
20

Very few... picking the Dodgers to finish in first...

That is, if A-Rod isn't signed... which seems probable.

--

I heard an interview with John Sherholz (sp?) this morning, and in it, he criticized the ridiculousness of A-Rod's potential 300 million dollar contract, to a point where he said that anyone who goes for it is "idiotic". Score one for sanity.

ps: I think 30 mil a year for A-Rod is reasonable, but it should be more like a 5 year, 7 year contract.

2007-10-12 09:25:41
25.   das411
This post was rushed? I thought it was more like six months or so in the making...

20 - So you think it'll be the Dodgers who go 122-40??

2007-10-12 09:29:22
26.   D4P
I wonder if Boras's employees use glossy books of themselves when negotiating their own contracts and such.
2007-10-12 09:37:42
27.   Andrew Shimmin
I've started sending glossy books to people I'm bidding against on eBay, for purposes of intimidation. Response has been mixed.
2007-10-12 09:38:14
28.   bhsportsguy
Apparently there are no other crimes to investigate in the Greater Denver area.

http://tinyurl.com/2b77ac

2007-10-12 09:38:41
29.   Humma Kavula
24 I don't mean to pick on you, but this is an idea that I've heard a lot -- that A-Rod at $30 million/year is insane.

No, I disagree. Torii Hunter at $18 million is insanity. A-Rod, with everything he brings to the franchise -- wins, merchandise, bigger TV deals, butts in seats -- is worth so much more.

There is a point at which A-Rod becomes too expensive -- did somebody above say $40 million per? -- but $30/year is, in this market, not it, in my opinion.

2007-10-12 09:40:23
30.   caseybarker
"Dunskie"?
2007-10-12 09:41:02
31.   jasonungar07
Ned: You believe a computer can beat me?
Paul: I don't care, but yes.
Ned: Well I will prove you wrong.
Paul: I don't care, and you won't.
Ned: You'll see.
Paul: I won't be watching, and I won't.
2007-10-12 09:43:22
32.   LogikReader
29

Right you are, Humma K. I noted that 30 million was reasonable towards the end of 24 . I guess I was just pointing out that many folks think that 30 mil is a ton no matter what the implications.

No offense taken :)

2007-10-12 09:44:32
33.   Scanman33
31-Who is Sprinkles: Hee Seop Choi or J.D. Drew?
2007-10-12 09:47:01
34.   Humma Kavula
32 So you did. That's what I get for not reading all the way to the end.

So we all agree! A-Rod for $30million. Done. Anybody have Boras's number? Somebody should let him know.

2007-10-12 09:48:26
35.   caseybarker
30 mil for five years, or 30 mil for 10 years?
2007-10-12 09:48:37
36.   D4P
Anybody have Boras's number?

(666) 666-6666

2007-10-12 09:52:10
37.   Bumsrap
16 - If that means Abreu, then it probably also means less power and OBP at second base

It could be Abreu or a player obtained in a trade. In either case second base is not typically filled with a team's clean up hitter. Players have two roles, defensive and offensive. Offensively speaking, the urgency of Kent having more power than Abreu or Abreu having more speed than Kent has more to do with whether or not both are hitting in the same spot in the batting order--or something like that.

2007-10-12 09:52:17
38.   Humma Kavula
36 (666) 666-6666

You have reached Hell. Your call is not even remotely important to us. Due to high call volume, waits may be up to 28,107,204,570,437,730 years. Please continue to hold. Mr. Boras will be available shortly, in geologic terms.

(cuts to hold music; plays "I Just Called to Say I Love You" 93 times in a row)

2007-10-12 09:53:08
39.   bhsportsguy
36 I just don't get it, what should he do, not get the best deals for his clients. If you think it is too much, don't pay it. The Yankees are going sell tickets behind homeplate for $1000.00 each at their new park. Is there anyone telling them that they can't charge those prices.

Maybe I am jaded a bit because I have been around the law game for long time but Scott Boras is only doing his job when he makes a good deal for his client. He is not responsible for the health of the game or fair distribution of talent.

2007-10-12 09:53:20
40.   Johnson
22 And don't count out Elbert for next year.

While we shouldn't forget about Elbert by any means, next year may be too early. He pitched in all of three games in April before having surgery on his throwing shoulder. '08 will only be his age 22 season - I'd guess the club will take it slow with him, give him a lower workload this year (even if he's 100%) and have him gunning for an '09 midseason call-up.

2007-10-12 09:54:57
41.   JMK
How about offering AROD $30 million for 7 years but giving him opt outs for every year after 3 years. AROD and Boras would likely opt out after 3 years, but the Dodgers would get 3 years of AROD while he's still in his prime.
2007-10-12 09:55:00
42.   Bumsrap
If it is going to be about money with AROD, he already has an option for something like $93 Million for the next three years.
2007-10-12 09:59:40
43.   Hythloday
29 - The problem is that if Torii at $18 is insane, but he gets it, then A-Rod would be stupid to take $30. If other people are getting insane offers then he should only consider equally insane offers.
2007-10-12 10:01:35
44.   JMK
Would you rather have a 3 year $90 million dollar guaranteed contract or a 7 year $210 million dollar guaranteed contract?
2007-10-12 10:02:25
45.   Humma Kavula
43 That's a good point. It's a vicious circle that feeds on itself...

Round
Like a circle in a spiral
Like a wheel within a wheel
Never ending or beginning
On an ever-spinning reel
Like a snowball down a mountain
Or a carnival balloon
Like a carousel thats turning
Running rings around the moon
Like a clock whose hands are sweeping
Past the minutes of its face
And the world is like an apple
Whirling silently in space
Like the circles that you find
In the windmills of your mind

2007-10-12 10:10:42
46.   Hythloday
Wait, wasn't Sting just named the worst lyricist? But here he is talking about the problems of free agency. I'm confused.
2007-10-12 10:11:00
47.   wronghanded
Call me an idealist but I think the Dodgers will improve next year:

A. Full seasons of Loney, Kemp, Ethier
B. A full season of Billingsley as our #3
C. No dead weight batting 3 and 5 (Nomar/Gonzo)
D. A full season of Schmidt as our 4 (maybe a pipe dream)
E. Loaiza as #5 > Tomko or Hendrickson (even a slight improvement here helps)
F. I'm still not sold on the D-Backs starting rotation sans Webb
G. I'm still not sold on the Rockies starting rotation sans Francis
F. The Pads have Peavy, and 1/2 good Young, 1/2 bad Young...still no offense

Prediciton:

Dodgers 92-70
Rockies 85-77
D-Backs 83-79
Padres 81-81
Giants 75-87

2007-10-12 10:11:58
48.   wronghanded
*H.
2007-10-12 10:15:27
49.   D4P
C. No dead weight batting 3 and 5 (Nomar/Gonzo)

It's nowhere close to a given that Nomar won't get enough PAs in the 3/5 spots to hurt the team.

2007-10-12 10:16:14
50.   wronghanded
49 True but at least its not Nomar and Gonzo
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2007-10-12 10:18:11
51.   BlueCrew Bruin
39 For me, it's not so much the dollar amount. I mean, hey, if someone is willing to pay it then get as much as you can. I think the idea that Boras pressures his clients into signing with the team that offers the most money regardless of the other factors involved (geographical location, probability of winning a championship, etc) is what turns people off. If this is what actually goes on, I think it has more to do with pride and giving himself more ammo to sell himself to future clients than greed on Boras' part. He's already got the reputation but imagine the line of clients waiting to sign up with the agent that got AROD $300 mil.

Granted, I do think his clients should be in control enough to make their own decision regardless of Boras' recommendations. However, I think a lot of players are very hands-off when it comes to contract negotiations and it seems like it wouldn't be too difficult for an agent to color the negotiations one way or another to steer his client towards a certain team.

That's all just food for thought...I'm not trying to call Boras out as unethical or anything since I obviously have no idea how he conducts his negotiations. Other than, you know, the glossiness.

2007-10-12 10:18:26
52.   Improbable88
46 What publication named Sting the worst lyricist?

I think most of the Frankenstein stuff (Every Breath You Take, Wrapped Around Your Finger, King of Pain)off Synchronicity is pretty well written for pop music.

2007-10-12 10:19:21
53.   Humma Kavula
46 Sting sang that song, but he didn't write the lyrics. That was Marilyn and Alan Bergman. And they won the Oscar for it.
2007-10-12 10:21:24
54.   LogikReader
52

Blender Magazine. Who the heck runs that magazine anyway? All of their "Top 100 Best or Worst" lists are way off.

2007-10-12 10:22:10
55.   fracule
Hmm. This is fun, because I am bored.
Hope springs eternal.

Dodgers 95-67
Rockies 90-72
Padres 82-80
Dbacks 82-80
Giants ----*

* Due to some bunk travel arrangements en route to an
overseas pre-season game, the entire team was captured
by pirates. In a cruel twist of irony they were forced to
help manufacture synthetic hormones for dairy cows.
Upon their release on June 16th Bud Selig, learning of
their horrible acts, suspended them for the rest of the
regular season.

2007-10-12 10:29:04
56.   Andrew Shimmin
Gonzalez was not dead weight in the line up. Ethier was only a very little bit better (offensively) than LuGo this year.
2007-10-12 10:32:27
57.   BlueCrew Bruin
55 It will later be discovered that the "Pirate" was Jim Tracy (who had refused to give up his uniform after being fired). The bizzare plot being designed to capture Dave Roberts as part of Tracy's twisted attempt at re-creating the '04 Los Angeles Dodgers. Secret service will then be assigned to protect the New York Mets for the remainder of the season.
2007-10-12 10:34:01
58.   Improbable88
52 What song(s) did they use in support of this claim?

They realize he didn't write the PDiddy version of "Every Breath You Take," right?

Sounds like a grudge move.

2007-10-12 10:35:39
59.   silverwidow
G. I'm still not sold on the Rockies starting rotation sans Francis

Jimenez and Morales look like future stars. Two power pitchers to compliment Francis and you've got a really tough rotation.

2007-10-12 10:36:40
60.   fracule
56 Don't forget Lugo also stole 6 bases and was only caught twice. Ethier was caught 4 times. I realize that really means nothing, but hey lets not hark on guys who gave us relatively serviceable seasons just because management is making the right moves.
2007-10-12 10:38:54
61.   fracule
Sorry, to change the subject, but since a lot of us like the 'Office' what did you think of last night's episode?
2007-10-12 10:39:44
62.   fracule
60 Ok, I meant isn't, please don't kill me.
2007-10-12 10:42:45
63.   Andrew Shimmin
61- The cool kids often talk about The Office over here:

http://screenjam.toaster.tv/archives/840931.html#lastcomment

D4P stops in from time to time, to, but don't let that stop you.

2007-10-12 10:43:06
64.   Bob Timmermann
61
There's a discussion of it on Screen Jam.
2007-10-12 10:46:12
65.   fracule
Thanks guys. I'll see you over there.
2007-10-12 10:46:40
66.   Andrew Shimmin
I was faster and linkier, but I used "to," instead of "too," so the victory is decidedly hollow.
2007-10-12 10:48:30
67.   Gen3Blue
51 Yes. I didn't want to get going on this,
but I'll just add that young men in there twenties often can be misguided about what is important in life, or might be later on to them. And on and on...Is this society too much about money...baseball used to be a sort of escape.
2007-10-12 10:49:07
68.   scareduck
36 - strange, but I always thought Newport Beach was a 949 call.

Schuerholtz is right about the ridiculousness of Boras' demands. All the hype about A-Rod's butts-in-seats and peripheral nonsense is just that. The problem with A-Rod at that price is that, well, you still have the rest of the team to fill out, and in the absence of a LOT of good, young players, the team suddenly looks mighty thin.

A-Rod's whining on the way out the door from Texas (where he knew he would be the big dog on a relatively young offensive club) is exactly why I would never ever want to see him wear the colors of any team I rooted for. New York is the ideal place for him; there he can stay, and let the Yankees and their bloated budgets fester should he prove to be Griffian in his dotage.

2007-10-12 11:07:32
69.   CajunDodger
68

I want ARod. I do not think that we will get him, though. Here is what I think we could do. Trade either Ethier or Young for some pitching and sign Bobby Abreu. I know the outfield defense could be better, but the following lineup could win lots of games:

Furcal
Pierre
Kemp
Abreu
Kent
Loney
Martin
LaRoche/Nomar

Along with some better pitching out of the 4-5 slots, we could be right where we need to be. I think that doing nothing will not improve our team enough offensively. It is doing too much that Ned has the issue with. Abreu would provide us with some pop, speed, OBP and a decent right fielder for a relatively short (3-4 years) contract. He would also not block anyone that is better.

2007-10-12 11:07:44
70.   scareduck
As to today's topic of discussion...

Rockies: I do believe that Ubaldo Jimenez and Franklin Morales are the real deal. Aaron Cook (if he can stay healthy, a big if) and Jeff Francis are solid rotationmates; and it's been pretty well established that the Rocks can actually hit, and then some (second in the league in runs scored). What fooled people for so long, I think, and what kept them out of contention, was using the wrong pitchers in the first half or simply not having them available (Jimenez and Morales). With impressive defense (that Tulo sure can pick 'em, can't he?) and a generally young team, these guys could be in a very good place over the next several years, the big possible drawback being regressions from said pitchers. That said, I don't think this is a 95-win team, either.

San Diego: The oldest rotation in the league will necessarily get worse. They've got the best 1-2 in the division and maybe the league, or did until the emergence of Jimenez in Colorado. Their offense is pathetic, and with little in the farm, 2007 may have been a last gasp for the current team construction. Sandy Alderson will sleep well at night, though, because I expect some phenomenal drafts.

Los Angeles: All rests on Ned Colletti. Does he have the courage to let the kids play? There are some encouraging signs (Kemp, Loney, and Billingsley all finally got starting jobs this year) and some not-so-encouraging signs (signing Pierre, Wolf, and Schmidt were ill-advised, and similar moves on the bench turned up sewage). I don't want to make it sound like it's all kids=good, vetruhns=bad, but the ex-Giants/ex-Red Sox parts of the Dodgers rostter assembled by Colletti have definitely stunk.

San Francisco: FINALLY recognizing that the Barry Bonds era is over, and they're in a full rebuilding mode. Peter Magowan must be hating life.

Arizona: Along with Colorado, the class of the division, but it's a thin line separating these guys from the Dodgers. They're going to have to get those young hitters hitting, and beating their Pythagorean totals again will be a challenge.

So: my scientific wild-@ss guess about next year's finishes:

Rockies: 90-72
Dodgers: 88-74
Diamondbacks: 86-76
Padres: 82-80
Giants: 74-88

2007-10-12 11:10:15
71.   Hythloday
68 - and in the absence of a LOT of good, young players, the team suddenly looks mighty thin.

This sounds like a team I know.

2007-10-12 11:11:03
72.   D4P
Regarding the Rockies nobody has commented on 1 . Is Holliday not eligible to leave or something...?
2007-10-12 11:11:56
73.   Disabled List
Even without any major moves, I think the Dodgers will improve somewhat on the 88-win pace they were on before they ran into the Rockies' buzzsaw in September. Furcal should be healthy (hopefully), full seasons out of Billingsley, Loney and Kemp will help, and the team can't possibly be snakebit by injuries for a fourth year in a row. Can they?

Unfortunately, I figure it's basically gonna be a replay of 2002, when the Dodgers had a solid 92-win season but still finished in 3rd place. The Rockies and D-Backs will also be improved, and will probably finish with 90-95 wins apiece. Maybe the breaks will finally go our way, who knows.

2007-10-12 11:18:37
74.   Mark T.R. Donohue
Matt Holliday won't become a free agent until AFTER the 2009 season. That's TWO more years. I forget this all the time because it's written so often that he's leaving after this year or the next.

Jimenez and Morales are 23 and 21 and they are pitching effectively in the major league playoffs right now. They might not be dominant next year. They have a lot of development left to do, particularly Jimenez, who isn't really seriously trying to control any of his secondary pitches right now. But they are unlikely to completely fall off the cliff, barring injury.

2007-10-12 11:25:59
75.   RIYank
If Mariano Rivera hits the free market, will the Dodgers bid on him? Competitively?
2007-10-12 11:27:28
76.   D4P
Who needs Rivera when you've got Proctor.
2007-10-12 11:30:44
77.   Bob Timmermann
75
Can you promise that Mariano Rivera won't give up ninth inning homers to Matt Holliday that won't be shown over and over again on TBS?

I think Mariano Rivera would definitely have to change numbers if he came to the Dodgers. There are only some places where 42 can be "unretired" and L.A. isn't one of them.

That said, I doubt the Dodgers would be interested in Rivera.

2007-10-12 11:33:44
78.   sporky
77 - 'Twas Helton, no?

The Dodgers have much cheaper closers. They should put their saved money in the ARON piggy bank instead.

2007-10-12 11:35:21
79.   RIYank
76 From your lips to Ned Colletti's ears. Uh. From your keyboard to his monitor.

77 Yes, I can certainly promise that he won't give up ninth inning homers to Holliday that won't be shown over and over. If he gives up homers like that, they will be shown over and over again.
Good point about the #. And LA is the last place to unretire it, I get that.
And, good. I guess the Mets would be the main bidders.

2007-10-12 11:36:44
80.   wronghanded
I think young pitching usually has an advantage when called up midseason, their is no advanced scouting report on them (see Wainwright last year). That said, I think Colorado's league leading 3.86 ERA in the second half is a bit of an abberation. Those pitchers will certainly be servicable big league arms, I just expect to see their numbers drop off a little. Lets see how their wings hold up starting 32 and dealing with some adversity that starting in Colorado will surely bring.
2007-10-12 11:38:28
81.   Scanman33
77-Come on...Rivera has "been there" and "knows what it takes to win".
2007-10-12 11:43:32
82.   Bob Timmermann
Helton, Holliday, they all blend together.
2007-10-12 11:45:15
83.   D4P
From your lips to Ned Colletti's ears. Uh. From your keyboard to his monitor

Ned doesn't use a computer, thank you very much. We don't like those kinda GMs.

2007-10-12 11:50:56
84.   sporky
Dusty Baker to the Reds? Oh please, please please let it be true.

http://tinyurl.com/27o5bx

2007-10-12 12:08:31
85.   delias man
Even 30-40 mil per year for ARod does not seem that outrageous. In 2010 and beyond that may not seem too bad, sort of the way Beltre's deal in 2008 seems ok at 13M. In 2005 it looked outrageous.
2007-10-12 12:11:54
86.   delias man
Rivera's # is not as important to him as $.
2007-10-12 12:20:02
87.   Sam DC
DC people get in