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Dodger home record: 39-30 (.565)
When Jon attended: 5-3 (.625)
When Jon didn't: 34-27 (.557)
Dodgers at home: 745-600 (.554)
Jon attended: 293-233 (.557)*
Jon didn't: 457-374 (.550)
* includes road games attended
Current Roster with Estimated 2008 Salaries
(updated March 28)
Most figures are estimates (some are wild estimates) but will be updated as information comes in. Corrections welcome.
More contract details here.
Starting Pitchers (5)
$12,300,000 Hiroki Kuroda
$10,000,000 Derek Lowe
$9,500,000 Brad Penny
$7,000,000 Esteban Loaiza
*$500,000 Chad Billingsley
Total: $39,300,000
Bullpen (6)
$2,000,000 Takashi Saito
$1,925,000 Joe Beimel
$1,125,000 Scott Proctor
*$500,000 Jonathan Broxton
$500,000 Chan Ho Park
*$400,000 Hong-Chih Kuo
Total: $6,450,000
Starting Lineup (8)
$14,100,000 Andruw Jones
$13,000,000 Rafael Furcal
$9,000,000 Jeff Kent
$8,500,000 Nomar Garciaparra
$8,000,000 Juan Pierre
$500,000 Russell Martin
*$400,000 James Loney
*$400,000 Matt Kemp
Total: $53,900,000
Bench (6)
$875,000 Gary Bennett
$600,000 Mark Sweeney
$424,500 Andre Ethier
$391,000 Delwyn Young
$390,000 Chin-Lung Hu
$390,000 Blake DeWitt
Total: $3,071,000
Disabled List
$12,000,000 Jason Schmidt
*$400,000 Tony Abreu
*$390,000 Andy LaRoche
Total: $12,790,000
Also Paying ...
$1,000,000 Brett Tomko
$750,000 Odalis Perez
$540,000 Yhency Brazoban
$500,000 Randy Wolf
$487,500 Jason Repko
$135,225 Rudy Seanez
$100,000 Mike Lieberthal
$50,000 Ramon Martinez
Total: $3,562,725
Working total: *$113,268,725
*Rough salary estimate
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At the Los Angeles County Museum of Art, if you were an employee high, high enough up the totem pole, you could choose from among certain works of art in the permanent collection to have in your office. You can imagine that when I was working there mid-pole and saw this was an option if I hung around for, oh, 10 or 20 years, it shot to the top of my list.
The artist, R.B. Kitaj, passed away Sunday at the age of 74. From the obituary in the Times:
Peter Goulds, owner of the L.A. Louver gallery in Venice, met Kitaj in 1979 and maintained a fairly close association with him over the years. He presented a solo show of Kitaj's work in 2003.
"He was a very great artist because he found a way of making ideas rooted in the 19th century relevant to our time," Gould told the Times on Tuesday. "He took the major impulses of our time -- printed word and moving image -- and brought them alive with a sense of history and context that gave additional meaning to his paintings. Through his imagination, we are linked to a broader view of life. The paintings serve as entry points to imagination and invention."
A slight man with close-cropped white hair and beard and stern features that, one Times writer noted, "gave him the appearance of [an Ingmar] Bergman patriarch," Kitaj (pronounced Kit-eye) had a strong relationship with Los Angeles.
He had his first museum show here at LACMA in 1965, taught at UCLA in 1970 and met his second wife, Sandra Fisher, here the same year. A lifelong baseball fan, he also made portraits for Sports Illustrated magazine of figures including Dodger pitcher Sandy Koufax. ...
Image credit:
R. B. Kitaj (United States, Ohio, Chagrin Falls, 1932-2007)
Koufax, 1998
Oil on canvas, 36 x 36 in.
LACMA, gift of the artist
(posted without permission - will remove upon request)
I do like the painting.
Teh last Dodger pitcher to even come close to a guy like that would have to be Orel....Maybe Ramon Martinez? Maybe Nomo?
It seems like it has been awhile since a pitcher dominated like this in the postseason. As much as I want the Red Socks to lose, it was fun watching Beckett last night.
I think Hershiser was the closest thing to Koufax that the Dodgers have had. There have been lots of good pitchers but Koufax was just overpowering.
What a provocative picture to look at. It seems like I have seen a lot of likenesses done of Sandy more so than any other pitcher. Truly an artists pitcher.
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You know, looking back, I am remembering my Fantasy Baseball team from 2006. I drafted this team before I met DT, before I learned sabermetrics.
here's some of my starters:
Jim Edmonds
Juan Pierre
Julio Lugo
Raul Ibanez
Brian Roberts
Ryan Freel
Bill Hall
Javy Lopez
Outside of Hall and Roberts, this seems like the all NedCo team to me now. I can not express enough gratitude for learning from DT how to evaluate talent the right way. :)
It's not really done in a style that I care for much, but I do love the impending sense the fastball it creates.
When I looked it up I was pleased to see that his ERA+ for 1962-1966 were 141;159;187;160 and 190. (Can you imagine posting a 190 ERA+ and then retiring.)
Hershisers best 6 years (1984-1989) were 133;170;90;131;148 and 148.
Interesting contrast between Koufax the player and Koufax the private person. Excerpt from excerpt:
"Baseball, Koufax said at the time, was a form of warfare. He never believed in fraternizing with opposing players because he saw them as the enemy, and he could see no reason to get to know an enemy well enough to have any feeling towards him other than hostility.
"Baseball writer Roger Kahn recalled Koufax striking out the side against the Yankees with hard fastballs in the first inning of Game One of the 1963 World Series, and then fixing the Bombers' dugout with a hard stare that Kahn interpreted as meaning, "I can pitch to your power and I'll still strike you out."
Lots of other good stuff, even tho it's just an excerpt.
http://www.baseballlibrary.com/excerpts/excerpt.php?book=koufax
Yeah, it kind of looks like some imposter pitcher wearing a Scooby-style Sandy Koufax mask!
"Why, it wasn't Sandy Koufax who terrorizing the petting zoo after all --- it was old lady Murgatroyd!"
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I have to say the artwork is kind of growing on me. I like all the different shadings of blue around the figure.
I've been wanting to ask Andrew and other's who keep saying that Koufax's numbers don't match up when you put in context the ballpark and offensive morass of the league during 62-66. Pedro's ratio's are out of this world at his peak but he never threw more then 240 innings. Is it hard to believe that if he had been part of a 4 man rotation and threw 320 innings that his ratio's would have cratered? Or is that made up by the fact he pitched in an offensive park in a league that used the DH? I can understand the argument the he might have been the greatest 6 inning pitcher ever, but I'm not sold on the arguement that he was the best starting pitcher ever, or even in the top 5.
However in 2009 Ned has plenty of room to make mistakes all over again.
Stan from Tacoma
Orel was great but it was a different kind of greatness -- more about finesse, pitch selection, making batters look foolish rather than overwhelmed. More comparable to Greg Maddux.
Stan from Tacoma
Can I say "disgusting?" That is truly "disgusting."
Carl Pavano comes to mind.
That might supress our score, although Nomar, Tomko, Saenz and Pierre didn't exactly bring it back up.
LuGo, Kent and Lowe were probably our most productive FA's this season. And they weren't great.
Did Saito count in our favor?
ESPN Classic owns the rights to Game 7 I believe.
Game 7 of the 1965 World Series has not aged well. Because relatively few cameras were used at the time, you don't get a lot of the feel of the action.
Replays are sparse. Also in Game 7, Koufax was just throwing fastballs and you don't get to see his famous curve ball.
Oh and Stan it is great to see you still come by. You don't post much anymore. I missed the series you did when you were posting regularly.
Well, while catching up on the Uni Watch, I found this article from the 50s -- written by Gay Talese. It's all interesting, but the relevant bit comes at the very end.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2262/1562548099_a14b757436_o.png
How about radio rights. Is anyone selling the radio broadcasts of old Dodger games?
He also looks kind of sad he's about to K another victim. Strike three!!
35 Oh, too late - I see you got there yourself.
Thanks for the list Toy. It is hard to see the amount of money we paid Schmidt and the fact that Pierre's salary will increase the next few years. 2009 does look pretty hopeful.
I have never, in all the years, seen any pitcher so totally dominating day in and day out, any situation...than Koufax...
that is, except for when he had to face the Colt 45's in that heat and humidity...
Red hat = hot headed (I don't think so)
I kind of understand the red arm cause he throws HEAT but I don't get the red hat.
There are plenty of excellent radio broadcasts of Vin and Jerry Doggett available for purchase. As I think Jon can attest, they are of extraordinary quality. A few weeks ago I picked up a 1978 Giant/Dodger game that is a classic Vin broadcast. The 1969 Met/Dodger game written about so eloquently by Jon on SI.com is available for purchase. I don't think the 1978 game is likely to be available commercially, which is a shame. The broadcast quality is not the best and it is missing some action from the bottom of the second and top of the third. Still, nontheless, it is a great game to hear.
Stan from Tacoma
Stan from Tacoma
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