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Less Is More
2007-10-31 11:10
by Jon Weisman

Nate Silver of Baseball Prospectus advances the argument that the Dodgers should hang onto the status quo rather than make a strong push to improve the roster through trade or free agency - taking it a step further by advising the team to say no to Alex Rodriguez.

Play. The. Kids. The Dodgers simply need to deploy their existing assets correctly, rather than seek help from elsewhere. To get a bit more specific about it, next year's lineup should look as follows:

SS Furcal
C Martin
1B Loney
2B Kent
LF Kemp
RF Ethier
3B LaRoche
CF Pierre

That group would be significantly better than league average at two positions (catcher and second base), slightly better than average at three positions (shortstop, left field, and probably first base), about average in right field, and slightly below at center and third (though not for long in Andy LaRoche's case, especially with Nomar Garciaparra serving as his caddy). Overall, it's one of the better position player groups in the league. So then you take the money you're saving yourself on Luis Gonzalez and spend it on a mid-level starting pitcher, to round out a rotation with Penny, Lowe, Schmidt, and Chad Billingsley. Coupled with the great one-two punch in the bullpen, that is also an above-average group. That's it. You're done. You've spent next to nothing--and you still have a potential pennant winner on your hands. It looks like about an 88-win core that can creep into the 90s if the veterans stay healthy. ...

There is no bigger disconnect in baseball between the Dodgers' ability to develop talent and the front office's lack of appreciation for that talent.

Silver predicts the Rockies will fall into the trap of failing to improve a team that overachieved, but that Arizona and San Diego will tinker upward.

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2007-10-31 11:19:28
1.   D4P
"Slightly below average at center" is kind.
2007-10-31 11:21:01
2.   regfairfield
What mid level pitcher out there is better than Esteban Loaiza?

Also, Silver seems to be falling into the trap of assembling the best team for your dollar, rather than the best team period. The Dodgers have money to spend this offseason, they should spend it on something that impoves the team.

2007-10-31 11:21:36
3.   sporky
If Nate's prediction is correct, I'll be ecstatic.

Who coined the phrase/name Darth Flanders? Genius.

2007-10-31 11:22:17
4.   ToyCannon
While I've advocated the same thing as Nate, once Arod opted out I'd still make a run at him.
2007-10-31 11:23:06
5.   Humma Kavula
I don't have access to BP. Does he make a specific argument about why the best player in baseball would not help the Dodgers enough to make him worth the cost -- especially when he says the Dodgers will be slightly below average at 3B next year?
2007-10-31 11:23:23
6.   wireroom
I would like to see a good attempt at Petitte or Schilling. I like that lineup a lot that you posted Jon. Throw in some dominant pitching and the Dodgers are a fine ball club. Torre maybe be the guy to round guys like Kemp or Laroche into shape mentally and physically.
2007-10-31 11:23:47
7.   Jon Weisman
1, 2, 4 - I agree.
2007-10-31 11:25:29
8.   fanerman
3 I suppose I did. Based on a comment regfairfield made:
"A bit surprising, but it does fit in with Ned's Darth Vader like tolerance for failure."

http://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/855301.html#226

2007-10-31 11:26:05
9.   CajunDodger
2
Carlos Silva? Though I would prefer Schilling for about $3 mil more for one year rather than paying Silva $10 mil/4 years.
2007-10-31 11:26:23
10.   fanerman
2 I agree, too. Isn't that the ARONS philosophy?
2007-10-31 11:26:51
11.   Rob M
He also makes the case that the Dodgers should explore trading Furcal to make room for Hu. Any thoughts on what Furcal could bring? That would free up about half of a potential Arod salary, too.
2007-10-31 11:27:17
12.   ryu
I agree with 5 . I would go further and say that focusing only about A-Rod's salary is looking only at one side of the Dodger balance sheet for next year.
2007-10-31 11:29:06
13.   ToyCannon
The thing that intrigues me the most about Arod is what position does he want to play. He had to play 3rd when he agreed to play for the Yankee's but it must have bugged him daily to know he was better then the GoldGlove guy playing next to him.
I get much more giddy over a Loney/Hu/Arod/LaRoche lineup then a Loney/Kent/Furcal/Arod lineup for the future.
2007-10-31 11:29:44
14.   natepurcell
I think trying to add Mo Rivera is a great idea.

He is still really good and hasn't really shown any signs of slowing down with his peripherals.

2007-10-31 11:30:03
15.   sporky
8 My Star Wars knowledge is limited (i.e. pieced together from pop culture references and a prequel or two), but Darth Flanders made me lol.
2007-10-31 11:30:38
16.   Rob M
And hopefully, the Dodgers rotation will be overfilled next year, assuming McDonald is ready and that Schmidt is healthy. It's silly to assume they'll all be healthy for the year, but starting pitching seems to be a plus. Has there been any more buzz about Mazzone? I suppose that was mainly due to his ties to Grady.
2007-10-31 11:31:38
17.   CajunDodger
2
I also agree with the premise of putting the best team on the field with the players that you have and are available. I just can't see a scenario where we could not afford to pay ARod.

Conservatively, we have about $32 million coming off the payroll this year, though about 5-10 of that will go back into the bench, bullpen, and a catcher. Next year we have over 30 million coming off with Kent, Nomar, and Lowe all becoming FA and all would have viable, cheap internal options (Abreu, Elbert/Mcdonald/Kershaw).

We truly can afford this guy. Why should we not?

2007-10-31 11:32:04
18.   regfairfield
9 I don't really like pitchers who only bring control to the table. From what I've observed, they seem far more likely to completely disintegrate and Silva seems pretty likely to become Odalis II, just with a bigger contract.
2007-10-31 11:33:26
19.   Rob M
17 Seriously, isn't that what this youth movement is all about? Have big production for low cost so that you can spend money freely where you need to?
2007-10-31 11:33:47
20.   natepurcell
Schilling + Rivera = same costs as Arod.

I think you would improve the overall pitching substantially.

2007-10-31 11:34:23
21.   sporky
How many years would it take to sign A-Rod? 8? 10?
2007-10-31 11:35:15
22.   regfairfield
Looking at Silva's PECOTA comparables most of them lost effectiveness once they past age 28 or 29.
2007-10-31 11:36:52
23.   CajunDodger
20
I just don't see the need for Rivera with Brox/Saito in the pen and Meloan in the wings. I would rather see that $12 million go somewhere else or have that money go to eating Pierre's salary and sending him somewhere.

For God's sake, Coco Crisp is being mentioned in rumors. We could unload Pierre if we ate half of his salary and just called it a day.

2007-10-31 11:39:32
25.   silverwidow
Loney has never showed any signs of power in the minors, playing a power position.

Does showing lots of power in the majors count?

2007-10-31 11:40:23
26.   Howard Fox
13 and I like the thought of a Loney/Abreu/Hu/ARod infield....

get rid of Kent, get rid of Furcal, get rid of Pierre...ARod's salary is covered for a couple of years at least...

if Hu can't cut it, ARod moves back to SS and we try LaRoche

2007-10-31 11:40:48
27.   natepurcell
I just don't see the need for Rivera with Brox/Saito in the pen and Meloan in the wings. I would rather see that $12 million go somewhere else or have that money go to eating Pierre's salary and sending him somewhere.

Of course its not a need but if we are trying to improve the team, this would be one way of doing it. Having an absurdly deep bullpen offsets a mediocre back of the rotation. We are not really restrained by costs and if offensive help isn't feasible, might as well improve your strength with one of the best.

2007-10-31 11:40:53
28.   ryu
Billy Ashley showed power in the minors.
2007-10-31 11:42:15
29.   fanerman
You have a no hit shortstop
Furcal was injured this season. A line of .300/.369/.445 is not no-hit.

Ethier doesn't get injured by his manager after temper tantrums.

2007-10-31 11:44:16
30.   CajunDodger
24
I still think that Ethier for Bradley fiasco ranks right up there with the Pedro/DeLino deal as one of the dumbest in Dodger history

Are you saying that was a bad move? If nothing else Ethier has been a healthy league average guy.

2007-10-31 11:44:18
31.   regfairfield
28 He also struck out every other at bat. Just because Billy Ashley didn't translate well to the majors doesn't mean you can't get a decent picture of how a guy can perform if you look at the right numbers.
2007-10-31 11:44:47
32.   natepurcell
You guys should probably ignore ii2...he's not really here to generate intelligent discussion.
2007-10-31 11:44:56
33.   regfairfield
30 I think this is another one of JoeyP's good friends.
2007-10-31 11:46:02
34.   CajunDodger
27
I do not agree, but I think it is moot anyway since he has signed his contract already according to the NY papers.
2007-10-31 11:46:47
35.   ryu
31 I'm with you.
2007-10-31 11:48:27
36.   Dark Horse
32, 33-I was just going to say, Do Not Feed...
2007-10-31 11:49:31
37.   StolenMonkey86
21 - This is where I like having Ned - he could probably pull off a 7 year deal with A-Rod.
2007-10-31 11:49:37
38.   Gen3Blue
Perhaps I'd be a bit more of an oppurtunist if ways arose to improve the team, but that said can we have Nate Silver for GM? Please!

24 Its quite a stretch to classify Furcal a non hitter and Loney with no power.

2007-10-31 11:52:08
39.   jasonungar07
Why would we want to get rid of Furcal in a contract year? Do you guys really want Pierre batting leadoff that badly?
2007-10-31 11:52:30
40.   StolenMonkey86
Loney's .538 SLG led players on the 2006 and 2007 teams with more than `180 AB (the cutoff point for not counting Olmedo in 2006).
2007-10-31 11:53:00
41.   natepurcell
BFT's Yankees ZIPS projections are up...

Arod for 2008: 305/410/583 44hr 16sb

Rivera for 2008: 2.40era 75IP 3hr 14bb 66k

2007-10-31 11:54:09
43.   kinbote
0 i like the lineup but would switch kemp & ethier's outfield positions.
2007-10-31 11:58:03
44.   Humma Kavula
I meant 5 seriously, as a question. I agree with the posts that follow and people know that I've endorsed the ARONS philosophy -- hell, I named it. But Nate Silver is a smart guy, and if there's a reasoned argument that the Dodgers shouldn't sign him, I'll listen. Does he believe that Rodriguez will not provide enough improvement over LaRoche? Why?
2007-10-31 11:59:53
45.   Greg Brock
I don't see how one could say "Don't make a run at Alex Rodriguez." We don't have any idea what the market is going to be (though the entire free agent bonanza is probably going to be crazy). He's at least a month away from seriously entertaining offers, and nobody has signed anywhere yet.

Unless you just don't like Alex Rodriguez.

2007-10-31 12:02:08
46.   fracule
It seems there is no balance to the force today.
2007-10-31 12:04:25
47.   Sushirabbit
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2007-10-31 12:04:39
48.   jasonungar07
We should sign A-rod and Schilling and Bonds (while keeping Kent of course). That would be a great test for Torre. Maybe hire Sutton, Garvey, Valdez and Karros as coaches.

lol

2007-10-31 12:06:55
49.   Howard Fox
45 Personally, I don't think ARod is an improvement for our team. Without stronger starting pitching throughout the season, it won't matter who is in our lineup. I believe in our youngsters, and think they are good enough, along with stronger pitching to get to the playoffs.

As for ARod, if he couldn't hit in the playoffs with what surrounded him in the Yankee lineup the last few years, why would anyone think he would do so for us?

2007-10-31 12:07:50
50.   Disabled List
42 I'm not overly impressed with that lineup either, but the Dodgers are far better off with Ethier than with Bradley, regardless of his .800 OPS. Clubhouse issues usually bore me, but Bradley was the worst kind of clubhouse cancer.

Calling it the dumbest trade since Delino/Pedro is to be pretty ignorant of recent Dodger history, which is filled with some truly bad deals.

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2007-10-31 12:08:24
51.   Howard Fox
I'd take a run at Schilling with an incentive laden contract, I'd do the same with Pettitte...one year each.
2007-10-31 12:10:27
52.   StolenMonkey86
CF'ers who OPS 800+ don't grow on trees. You don't trade these type of players.

Why I think this was a good move:

Bradley 2006: 2.8 Warp1, $3millon
Bradley 2007: 3.3 Warp1, $4million

Ethier 2006: 2.8 Warp1, <$400k
Ethier 2007: 4.5 Warp1, <$400k

If you want to balance things out:

Antonio Perez 2006: -0.8 Warp1

When you consider salaries, Bradley's now in his contract year, and Ethier's a year away still from arbitration. Bradley would go for his free agent value on this market for 2008, when Ethier will produce similar results for around the league minimum.

Of course, if keeping Bradley would have prevented signing Pierre, that changes the whole thing, but that's speculation. But for what it's worth, Bradley played CF for 15 games after being traded from LA, and probably isn't that viable an option there after all the injuries he's had.

2007-10-31 12:11:18
53.   cult of basebaal
the current offer for rivera is 3@40 which would already make him the highest paid closer in the game, i doubt the yankees would blink before pushing that to 3@45 ... i'd think the only shot that the dodgers would have would be if Mo really wanted to re-unite with torre and really, since you've already got saito for dirt-cheap, is adding another closer, even if it is Mo, really worth that cost???
2007-10-31 12:12:30
54.   Rob M
I surprised people see starting pitching as a weakness, especially relative to the league. Lowe should be better in '08 - he had some injury problems with his hip but he's usually very healthy. Penny should be able to replicate his year, or regress very slightly. Chad should be better and pitch more innings. Schmidt should provide 140 innings of above average work. Between McDonald, Loaiza and whoever else we sign, we should be able to fill out the rotation with a solid, reliable option.
2007-10-31 12:13:20
55.   cult of basebaal
51 pettite has stated that he will either pitch for the yankees this year or retire ... and that torre's decision and the change of managers will not factor into his decision ... as always with athletes, take things with a grain of salt, but pettite's never been like his buddy roger ...
2007-10-31 12:13:26
56.   regfairfield
49 The Dodgers were 4th in the NL in runs allowed last year. Are you saying it's impossible to win unless you finish in the top three? Top two? Two of the teams that finished ahead of us in that category, the Giants and the Padres, also missed the playoffs.
2007-10-31 12:13:46
57.   briano
Signing Arod makes perfect sense. During his tenure he would break some of the most prestigious records in all of baseball. In his final years Dodger Stadium will be packed out every night waiting for the records to fall. This doesn't include all the wins and excitement he brings w/o the records. The 30 mill a year is easily recovered.
2007-10-31 12:14:13
58.   StolenMonkey86
53 - Well, if we keep Rick Honeycutt, he can help keep Rivera's cutter sharp.
2007-10-31 12:14:24
59.   uke
53 - No
2007-10-31 12:15:23
60.   sporky
I want to see Wolf back, rather than Schilling.
2007-10-31 12:16:08
61.   Howard Fox
57 the stadium is always packed already
2007-10-31 12:16:09
62.   cult of basebaal
49 from jenkins screed in the SF Gate today:

" ... there's no other way to explain A-Rod's postseason performances. You probably know about his 4-for-47 slump and his streak of 14 games without an RBI, but this is the most telling stat: Since Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS - the night Boston began its epic comeback from three games down against the Yankees - Rodriguez has come to the plate with 38 runners on base, over the span of 59 at-bats. He left every single one on base, going 0-for-27, right through the Yanks' Division Series loss to Cleveland this month."

2007-10-31 12:17:09
63.   jasonungar07
It's one thing to make the argument that the money spent on A-rod would be bad and should be spent elsewhere but to say he wouldn't help is a little crazy

Dude has averaged 128 runs, 34 doubles, 44hr, 128rbi with a .306 avg and .967ops in 11 seasons..Dude has missed 19 games since the 2000 season.

If Bradley for example only missed 19 games for each half a season it would good for him. Bradley was my personal dodger MVP in 2004. I don't buy into the clubhouse issues as much as others, but he just can't stay healthy which is his bigger problem for me anyways.

Also, Petit is not going anywhere. If he was he would be near the top of my list of players to go get.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071031&content_id=2289336&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

2007-10-31 12:17:21
64.   Disabled List
I think Schilling is a serious longshot to sign with the Dodgers. My money is on him playing out a one-year "farewell tour" with the Phillies.
2007-10-31 12:17:43
65.   Humma Kavula
49 That's fair, I suppose -- but who would you get? Bear in mind that the Dodgers' pitching was 10th in baseball last year overall -- 12th for starters and 10th for relievers. Yes, I'm aware that the pitching faded in the second half and that might be a sign of things to come... or it might be just that, a fade, and things will be fine in the spring. I don't know.

As for your second point, I think it's what A-Rod has done year after year in the regular season that makes people think that he will hit in the playoffs.

2007-10-31 12:18:08
66.   Disabled List
61 It'll be packed with fans paying higher ticket prices.
2007-10-31 12:19:29
67.   D4P
Rodriguez has come to the plate with 38 runners on base, over the span of 59 at-bats. He left every single one on base, going 0-for-27, right through the Yanks' Division Series loss to Cleveland this month

How every GM "negotiating" with Boras doesn't harp on this factoid is beyond me. Boras doesn't hesitate to cherry-pick small-sample-sized-stats to make his players look better than they are: GMs shouldn't hesitate to use the same tactics to make the players look worse.

2007-10-31 12:19:54
68.   DodgerBakers
47 What problem did you have? I installed the upgrade in about an hour and a half. Haven't gotten much time to really play with it, though. :(
2007-10-31 12:20:55
69.   D4P
I would only be interested in adding Pettite if he agreed to stop looking into the catcher for the sign in the manner that he is wont to do.

I hate that.

2007-10-31 12:21:22
70.   regfairfield
64 I'm gonna say Arizona for 2/28.
2007-10-31 12:25:52
71.   Linkmeister
Schilling is soon-to-be 41 years old. If 35 means heading downslope, why should we think he's an exception? We can all think of lots of pitchers who suddenly lost their ability to get guys out; I'm not willing to bet a lot of money on that not happening to Schilling.
2007-10-31 12:26:44
72.   Disabled List
Does anyone else remember reading a quote/passage saying that Boras indicated the Dodgers weren't a preferred destination for A-Rod, and he wanted them to sign Andruw Jones instead?

In the massive volume of A-Rod/Dodger/Torre/Boras articles in the last few days, I can't remember where I picked that up from. But I do remember reading it.

2007-10-31 12:28:40
73.   Greg Brock
A-Rod could go 0 fer every playoff series, and I'd still want him. He's worth double digit wins every year.

Get in the playoffs and let the chips fall where they may.

2007-10-31 12:28:50
74.   sporky
72 http://tinyurl.com/27p3gk

As a power hitter and third baseman, Rodriguez would fill two areas targeted for upgrades. But Boras is believed to consider the Dodgers a more serious contender for center fielder Andruw Jones than for Rodriguez.

2007-10-31 12:30:13
75.   Humma Kavula
72 If the Dodgers sign Andruw Jones, they deserve to be sent down to Davy Jones.

Who knows what evil lurks in Andruw Jones's locker?

2007-10-31 12:31:43
76.   Disabled List
74 Muchas gracias.

Boras makes it sound like the Dodgers aren't good enough for A-Rod. Man, I can't stand that guy.

2007-10-31 12:33:10
77.   D4P
73
But as a GM, you shouldn't approach the contract negotiations that way. You gotta go in harping on ARod's lack of Clutchitude and Octoberocity, and how he shouldn't get paid as much as Boras wants him to.
2007-10-31 12:34:03
78.   D4P
76
Bob laughs in your general direction. Course, he's wearing a Ham Fighter jersey today, so you can go ahead and laugh right back.
2007-10-31 12:34:48
79.   sporky
76 I could drive over to Boras' office, knee him in the stones and pick up a sandwich during my lunch break.
2007-10-31 12:35:54
80.   Bob Timmermann
78
I'm wearing no such jersey.

I'm wearing a jersey that reads "Nippon Ham."

2007-10-31 12:36:39
81.   Humma Kavula
78 he's wearing a Ham Fighter jersey

Don't let him hear you say that.

2007-10-31 12:36:56
82.   Humma Kavula
way too slow.
2007-10-31 12:41:39
83.   ToyCannon
I'm proudly wearing for the 1st time my Fernando jersey along with my 81 Championship hat at my companies Halloween party. I've been a big hit with the manufacturing group.
desea Fernando vivo
2007-10-31 12:46:02
84.   ToyCannon
I stubbornly don't believe Andru Jones is done, and that this was an anomaly. You can stone me at dawn but I'll stake Andrew's reputation that whoever takes the chance on Andru is going to be happy with the results.
2007-10-31 12:46:14
85.   cult of basebaal
73 it gets old rather quickly, as does being an a-rod defender in a sea of gibbering detractors, torn between wanting him to get his chances to produce with the game in the balance and dreading those moments if he doesn't come through yet again ...

that being said ... this year's a-rod's struggles during the ALDS really seemed different to me than the last couple of years ... he was very close to clicking ... he was missing his pitches, no doubt, but he was just off a fraction and having good at-bats ... every game he seemed to be getting closer to going beserk and having the kind of stretch where he could hit anyone and anything ... i think that if the yanks could have gotten to boston, he might have had the kind of series to erase the past and the doubts

or he could have tightened up under the added pressure of having to play the hated-foes, who knows, but i don't think he has some sort of permanent mental block that keeps him from performing in the post-season ... i think he just needs to get that 1st big hit again and things will be better than fine ... time will tell, i suppose

2007-10-31 12:49:03
86.   D4P
84
I'm in the other camp. I want nothing to do with Andruw Jones. Actually, I guess I'd be fine swapping him with Pierre straight up, but that's not an option.
2007-10-31 12:49:49
87.   Howard Fox
85 yeah, he doesn't have a mental block about it, he just can't do it period...and just missing his pitches, that is the difference between him and Ortiz
2007-10-31 12:53:00
88.   Gr-ool
I'd love to see the Dodgers do this... No to Arod's a good idea.
2007-10-31 12:56:18
89.   Greg Brock
85 Being an A-Rod defender is very easy, since he will probably go down as Top-5 all time. And writing his playoff epitaph right now seems, well, a tad premature.

A lot of people don't like the guy, and constantly harping on his recent playoff performance seems the equivalent of poking him with a stick. Barry Bonds didn't do it in the playoffs either, until he did.

2007-10-31 13:03:39
91.   paranoidandroid
How could anyone not want A-Rod on their team? How can anyone point to his limited post-season struggles" as a reason to not want him?

He performs at the highest level under the microscope all year, every year. EVERY player slumps at times. Some of his have come during some postseason games. His team wouldn't have been in the postseason if he didn't make MAJOR contributions to put them there. In 2004, he was 7 for 16 after the first four games.

If you don't want to pay him, or you don't want to deal with Boras, or anything like that, then you have a legitimate opinion about the matter. I resepectfully disagree, but you can hold your postion with some substance behind your thinking. If you are simply saying you don't want him because of a short period slump, or that he isn't a great player, then you simply don't follow the game with your eyes open.

We are talking about the Henry Aaron or Babe Ruth of the 21st Century. The absolute best player available with a very productive past. He's in his prime. He is a 3 time MVP with more likely to come. He's worth $30 million per year. At least. If you don't take a shot at signing him without giving up more than a few draft picks, who is a better player to pursue? Nobody.

2007-10-31 13:03:49
92.   Humma Kavula
89 I never understand this. I don't LIKE Bonds, or A-Rod, but I don't know them and I don't have to like them.

The only thing that's important is that I recognize that I'm watching a hell of a ballplayer when I see them play.

2007-10-31 13:09:08
93.   cult of basebaal
89 who exactly was writing his playoff epitaph right now ... not i ... barry bonds' 2002 post-season is the type of stretch that a-rod is capable of

as for the ease of defending a-rod, well, i'll just say you'll find it trickier than you think, he's on the short list of best players i'll ever see play in my lifetime ... but, wow, does he have a talent for saying and doing headscratching things ... add to that his less-than-pleasant reputation to the average fan(this is now the 3rd set of fans that loathe him), the mercenary reputation (he gets bonus point for being the highest paid player, so pass GO and collect $200 worth of player-salary hatin') and the "ewing theory" factor where the teams he leaves get better and yup, you spend a lot of time trying to bring the conversation back to the great things he does on the field ...

and that discussion, of course, always returns to production in the post-season ... never mind that often he's the difference between making the post-season or not ...

in the end, a-rod controls his own destiny ... have a post-season like BLB's 2002 and this all goes away (except for the couldn't-do-this-in-new-york crackpots) ... but i wonder what happens if a-rod doesn't hit in his first post-ny post-season and it all starts up again in his new home ...

2007-10-31 13:12:54
94.   Howard Fox
31 I didn't realize Scott Boras was a poster here at DT
2007-10-31 13:13:43
95.   ToyCannon
Arod already did it once.
http://www.joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/
It is just since the "contract" he's had trouble.
2007-10-31 13:14:47
96.   ToyCannon
90
I would think that would be a banning offense.
2007-10-31 13:16:06
97.   ToyCannon
93
Some of us like to like the player we root for.
2007-10-31 13:16:31
98.   Howard Fox
90 96 no kidding
2007-10-31 13:19:47