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Torre Tidbits
2007-11-05 11:02
by Jon Weisman

Tidbits from the Joe Torre press conference:

  • By his own admission, Torre knows less about the Dodgers than just about anyone.
  • Jeff Kent seems enthusiastic about Torre's arrival.
  • The key to a unified clubhouse is "all about wanting the same thing." As banal as that might sound, Torre couldn't have been more modestly personable, and it does seem hard to imagine that he wouldn't be a great leader of men.
  • Torre is "very excited about the number of talented young players that we have."
  • The local print media saved all their questions for later.
  • At the risk of seeming like I'm playing "Gotcha," I would recommend that Torre sharpen up his generalizations like "the Latin community brings passion" and "Latin players have no fear." He might not have meant this the way it sounded, but it comes across as rather simplistic.
  • Vin Scully once joked that after Torre moved to third base the day after a rough home-plate collision, he would be forever known as "Chicken Catcher-Torre." And then said when he told Tommy Lasorda that story, Lasorda ordered two.

  • Comments (395)
    Show/Hide Comments 1-50
    2007-11-05 11:13:42
    1.   Jon Weisman
    Harold Reynolds is interviewing Logan White on MLB.com live right now.
    2007-11-05 11:13:49
    2.   Bob Timmermann
    The L.A. Latino community has little in common with players like Tony Abreu. The L.A. Latino community has a lot more in common with Nomar Garciaparra.
    2007-11-05 11:14:29
    3.   bhsportsguy
    The writer was from La Opinion, he's asking questions from that point of view.

    Saying that, Joe could have made it clear that his answer re players was based only on his personal interactions and that on the communities in Los Angeles, that he knows that LA has great fans from many backgrounds who come out and support them in big numbers.

    2007-11-05 11:14:33
    4.   JoeyP
    Meh.

    Wake me when Gonzo resigns, or Matt Kemp is traded, or A-Rod signs.

    2007-11-05 11:14:48
    5.   Bluebleeder87
    Luis in SF made an interesting observation about NedCo, I hope he copies & pastes it on the new thread.
    2007-11-05 11:15:19
    6.   Bill Crain
    Colletti appears to be wearing elevator shoes. I don't see how you can trust a guy like that.
    2007-11-05 11:15:35
    7.   Jon Weisman
    Logan White on LaRoche: "Andy has one thing in our system … and that's pwer. Andy can bring that to the table. He's an aggressive, aggressive hitter at the plate. He doesn't stirke out a lot for a kid who has power, he isn't afraid to take a walk, and the ball really jumps off his bat."
    2007-11-05 11:16:52
    8.   Terry A
    7 - But how's his character?
    2007-11-05 11:17:04
    9.   Matt Conroy
    How should he have responded to that fairly vague question about the Latino community? I thought he handled it fairly well.
    2007-11-05 11:17:30
    10.   Jon Weisman
    3 - I'm having trouble understanding your comment. In any case, again, I don't think the question required a generalization in response, regardless of whether Torre knows the name of a single player on his new team.
    2007-11-05 11:17:53
    11.   KG16
    Kevin Kennedy is annoying me with his talk of Matt Kemp running through stop signs. The former third base coach never bothered to put up a stop sign.
    2007-11-05 11:19:06
    12.   Andrew Shimmin
    Jamie McCourt is being careful not to oversell. "He's going to do everything we expect. He's going to bring a World Series to L.A., I just know it."
    2007-11-05 11:19:06
    13.   Jon Weisman
    9 - I'm not trying to roast the guy, but I disagree. He chose complimentary adjectives, which won't get him in trouble, but he was still generalizing.
    2007-11-05 11:19:43
    14.   bigcpa
    Jon do you have a link for the White interview?
    2007-11-05 11:20:42
    15.   StolenMonkey86
    11 - If he did, would you believe it was a stop sign anyway?
    2007-11-05 11:20:46
    16.   Ken Noe
    12 And suddenly, I thought of Georgia Frontiere.
    2007-11-05 11:20:59
    17.   Greg Brock
    12 "He knows everything about everybody"

    I know you're happy, Jaime...But lay off the Yoda before interviews.

    2007-11-05 11:21:04
    18.   Jon Weisman
    14 - It was streaming on the same link that the press conference was on.
    2007-11-05 11:21:42
    19.   Matt Conroy
    13 - Well he mentioned Cabrera and Cano by name, so it wasn't all that much of a generalization.
    2007-11-05 11:21:57
    20.   uke
    13 - How do you answer such a broad question without generalizations?
    2007-11-05 11:22:17
    21.   Bob Timmermann
    16
    I have a lot more respect for Jamie McCourt than Georgia Frontiere. Jamie McCourt has a business background instead of a "marrying a rich guy" background.
    2007-11-05 11:22:23
    22.   gvette
    One can almost see Kemp's eyes glazing over once Joe starts waxing nostalgic about the Milwaukee Braves
    2007-11-05 11:22:30
    23.   wireroom
    11 I saw Matt Kemp run thru 3 stop sign with my own eyes. One time, he reversed himself in the nick of time. I hope they hold on to all of the young guys including Kemp, Laroche, and Young and Torre commands the respect for those fundamentals that are important, like good defense. But alas, I doubt that the Dodgers are going to keep all of those guys and they are going to make a run at A-Rod which I don't like.
    2007-11-05 11:22:56
    24.   Greg Brock
    Uncle Joe, tell me a story.
    2007-11-05 11:24:15
    25.   Jon Weisman
    20 - Any number of ways. Try me.
    2007-11-05 11:24:18
    26.   PalmdaleSteve1
    In a steel cage match between Larry Bowa and Jeff Kent, who wins?

    Appearing at a WWF match soon?

    2007-11-05 11:24:49
    27.   Ken Noe
    21 She did gush like Georgia though. For Torre, think Bert Jones.
    2007-11-05 11:25:59
    28.   Andrew Shimmin
    20- You reject the premise. Or you ignore the specific question and talk about something else.

    Ooh--forest fire analogy for Tommy. Not too soon?

    2007-11-05 11:26:08
    29.   regfairfield
    Has there ever been a manager that hasn't stressed fundamentals at his press confrence?

    Hitting the cutoff man, eh, who cares?

    2007-11-05 11:26:26
    30.   bhsportsguy
    10 All I am saying is that he could have made it clear that his answers were based on his own experiece when it came to players and as far as fans/community, he probably could have said that the Yankees had great support by many different communities and that he knows the Dodgers also have strong fan support.
    2007-11-05 11:26:45
    31.   KG16
    26 - depends on who is the heel and who is the face. In a shoot, I'd give it to Bowa, but then I'd give it to Bowa over most guys in professional baseball
    2007-11-05 11:27:19
    32.   Andrew Shimmin
    25- What do you think of Tongans?
    2007-11-05 11:28:21
    33.   wireroom
    26 Bowa without a doubt. I think Kent is really just a puppy dog when it comes down to it. Uncle Larry is one tough dude. I like what he brings to the table for the Dogers.
    2007-11-05 11:28:27
    34.   Bob Timmermann
    You can watch John Russell's press conference online too!
    2007-11-05 11:28:45
    35.   bhsportsguy
    28 So you tell a writer from the largest Spanish language paper in Los Angeles that his question has no merit?
    2007-11-05 11:29:35
    36.   regfairfield
    The steel chair is the great equalizer.
    2007-11-05 11:29:41
    37.   gvette
    21--Georgia had a business background as a Las Vegas showgirl, Jamie McCourt's MBA can't touch that educational experience
    2007-11-05 11:29:42
    38.   wireroom
    29 I care about hitting the cutoff man when runners advance to extra bases because of not hitting the cut off man. Hopefully that is sarcasm on your part.
    2007-11-05 11:30:55
    39.   Andrew Shimmin
    35- It's possible to reject the premise of a question without proclaiming that you're doing it. It's not as much fun, but it's possible.
    2007-11-05 11:31:08
    40.   regfairfield
    38 It was. Point was that every manager stresses the fundamentals in their press confrence, no one would say any different.
    2007-11-05 11:31:57
    41.   PalmdaleSteve1
    35

    Or Torre could have done his Chico Escuela imitation...OR Not

    "Baseball has been very, very good to me...

    2007-11-05 11:32:29
    42.   wireroom
    40 gotcha.
    2007-11-05 11:33:08
    43.   KG16
    So, if I understand it correctly, the Dodgers long standing tradition has been to retire only numbers of players/managers that have made the Hall of Fame. If/When Torre goes to the Hall, do the Dodgers retire #6 on his behalf? What if the veteran's committee decides to vote Garvey in?

    I don't mean to dwell on the number issue, but it's just one of those things that is picking at me.

    2007-11-05 11:33:28
    44.   Bob Timmermann
    35
    American politicians have been rejecting questions that they don't want to answer since 1789 when George Washington turned down a reporter from a New York City paper asking him if he thought that Alexander Hamilton was having an extramarital affair.
    2007-11-05 11:33:39
    45.   Jon Weisman
    30 - Sure.
    2007-11-05 11:33:46
    46.   Andrew Shimmin
    39- And, I should add that if the other choice is pronouncements about how passionate and fearless Latin people are, I know which way I'd go.
    2007-11-05 11:34:33
    47.   PalmdaleSteve1
    33

    Bowa also has a reputation as one of the sharpest "needles" in the game. His work will be cut out for him deflating both the Kids and Vet egos I think.

    2007-11-05 11:35:05
    48.   bhsportsguy
    At this point, I can't even remember the actual question.

    La Opinion is the largest Spanish language paper in the United States, daily circulation is over 121,000 and is in the top 100 newspapers in the country.

    2007-11-05 11:35:33
    49.   Xeifrank
    The Dodger-talk on 710AM after the press conference is pretty..., um, bad.
    vr, Xei
    2007-11-05 11:37:08
    50.   Andrew Shimmin
    Torre says Martin's 2007 workload is dangerous. That he needs to get him some help.
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    2007-11-05 11:37:24
    51.   KG16
    Torre is hinting that Russ won't be playing 150 games this year. He also seems to be high on Billingsly and Loney. But he hasn't mentioned Kemp.
    2007-11-05 11:37:46
    52.   uke
    28 - Didn't he do that (more or less)? It was almost a loaded question. At least he didn't pull an Al Campanis...
    2007-11-05 11:38:13
    53.   KG16
    "As far as I'm concerned, Alex can play for me," says Joe Torre.
    2007-11-05 11:38:43
    54.   Bluebleeder87
    your damned if you do & your damned if you don't some times though!
    2007-11-05 11:42:44
    55.   Bluebleeder87
    50

    He had great help in Lieberthal. Martin is just do darn good for his own good I guess.

    2007-11-05 11:47:55
    56.   Disabled List
    43 The Dodgers only retire numbers of their own Hall-of-Famers. Torre will be wearing a Yankees cap when he's inducted.

    I wouldn't mind seeing #6 and #34 retired. Those really are the only two jersey numbers the Dodgers have left that are worth raising to the rafters.

    2007-11-05 11:48:21
    57.   Andrew Shimmin
    48- "You came from a city, New York, with a big Latin community. Los Angeles also has a big Latin community. How do you expect the involvement of the community with the team."
    2007-11-05 11:48:39
    58.   Xeifrank
    Any other position that Martin can play besides catcher? Could he play 20 or so games at 3B to help offset the wear and tear on his knees from overuse at catcher? Of course if we sign someone like AROD, that's out of the question.
    vr, Xei
    2007-11-05 11:49:48
    59.   uke
    57 - "Strong. Next question..."
    2007-11-05 11:50:09
    60.   bhsportsguy
    57 He probably should have danced around it like the quesiton about the Chinese players except for the a few players look alike comment.
    2007-11-05 11:51:51
    61.   bhsportsguy
    57 I'm done with this issue.

    58 No, we don't need another Paul Loduca situation.

    2007-11-05 11:53:44
    62.   Xeifrank
    61. You mean a situation where your catcher gets some rest for his knees, but you still keep his bat in the lineup?
    vr, Xei
    2007-11-05 11:55:08
    63.   bhsportsguy
    Eric Neel has his comments on celebrity and Los Angeles.

    http://tinyurl.com/29wf96

    2007-11-05 11:56:28
    64.   StolenMonkey86
    62 - I think it's the situation of the catcher not actually getting any rest because he's already being used like a normal catcher without the rest. Honestly, if you want to do that with a catcher, it makes the most sense for an AL team with 2 good catchers. Problem is, of course, paying for 2 good catchers.
    2007-11-05 11:57:11
    65.   D4P
    63
    I saw that. I wanted to respond to his first line:

    You can make the argument that Joe Torre won't make the Dodgers a whole lot better in 2008

    Yes, I can.

    2007-11-05 11:57:25
    66.   StolenMonkey86
    I'll try not to keep being redundant by repeating myself again.
    2007-11-05 11:58:03
    67.   bhsportsguy
    62 I don't think its worth the additional risk of injury and we should have adequate players in those positions already.
    2007-11-05 11:58:32
    68.   Xeifrank
    64. I suggested 20 or so games only, so you wouldn't have to sign a catcher any better than the one we had last year as a backup. Just a thought, since it's so tough to get his bat out of the lineup.
    vr, Xei
    2007-11-05 11:59:58
    69.   silverwidow
    LA Times story as a huge typo: It calls Torre the "new general manager."
    2007-11-05 12:01:24
    70.   Bluebleeder87
    I have to admit I'm eager to see what Joe Torre brings to the dance, if anything he does have a soothing & smart way about 'em but we'll see how it translates in the win lose column. He also has good coaches behind him so we shall see.
    2007-11-05 12:02:02
    71.   bhsportsguy
    65 I think when you work for large public companies, how your leader is viewed is an important factor. Now, its not as important as how he or she do their jobs but their publically known image sets a tone that goes through the entire workplace.

    From a practical point of view, Joe Torre may not mean one additional win but having him as your leader will impact how the team is viewed. This may not mean much here but we are not the audience that the Dodgers are concerned about.

    2007-11-05 12:05:09
    72.   Bob Timmermann
    If Red Auerbach were still alive, he would say that a good coach or manager for a team isn't important. Unless the coach was named Red Auerbach.
    2007-11-05 12:05:30
    73.   Bluebleeder87
    69

    Some one better text message Dylan Hernandez, pronto!

    2007-11-05 12:10:14
    74.   JL25and3
    You guys should be thankful for having Joe Torre right now. It gives you at least a partial respite from All A-Rod, All The Time.
    2007-11-05 12:11:53
    75.   KG16
    69 - you obviously missed the second half of the press conference.

    56 - there is something to be said for retiring numbers of guys who were great players for a franchise but not quite Hall of Famers. But if you retire Garvey and Fernando's numbers then you have to look at the rest of that old in field.

    2007-11-05 12:13:32
    76.   StolenMonkey86
    68 - True, but if he starts 20 games at another position, he's still starting 130-140 at catcher, which is quite a few. Seems like the bigger issue is can we get a better backup.

    Lieberthal hit .234/.280/.260 last year and threw out 5 of 19 would-be base stealers. Rod Barajas might be a good option. Maybe Jason LaRue.

    2007-11-05 12:13:52
    77.   KG16
    By the way, does the hiring of Donny Baseball mean that Preston is now untouchable?
    2007-11-05 12:15:33
    78.   StolenMonkey86
    77 - only to Atlanta for John Schuerholz's son
    2007-11-05 12:16:38
    79.   Jon Weisman
    71 - Not directed at you, BH. But we saw this in '05.

    I think when you work for large public companies, how your leader is viewed is an important factor. Now, its not as important as how he or she do their jobs but their publically known image sets a tone that goes through the entire workplace.

    From a practical point of view, Ned Colletti may not mean one additional win but having him as your leader will impact how the team is viewed. This may not mean much here but we are not the audience that the Dodgers are concerned about.

    77 - Ask Jimmy Campanis.

    2007-11-05 12:20:47
    80.   blue22
    I know a certain Italian-American catcher with deep Dodger ties looking for work right now.

    Big Mike could catch 20-30 games, play a little first base, and basically take Olmedo Saenz's RH-thumper spot.

    2007-11-05 12:26:25
    81.   trainwreck
    I am debating whether I should watch the press conference.
    2007-11-05 12:28:18
    82.   bhsportsguy
    79 That's true, and you see all the time in other businesses.

    Its very comparable to the Phil Jackson second time around with the Lakers.

    2007-11-05 12:30:13
    83.   Jon Weisman
    80 - I'm a charter member of the Bring Back Piazza club.
    2007-11-05 12:33:24
    84.   D4P
    I'm a charter member of the Bring Back Piazza club

    Me too. I want him to finish his career as a Dodger.

    2007-11-05 12:34:51
    85.   KG16
    83 /84 - who wants to do the sit down with Brad Penny, explaining to him why he's going to have to give up his number, and no, he can't wear 34 instead?
    2007-11-05 12:35:24
    86.   Xeifrank
    Wonder if Piazzzzza could get his old number back? vr, Xei
    2007-11-05 12:37:03
    87.   blue22
    83/84 - Really, the timing may be right for this to actually happen. Saenz is gone, so Piazza would be a top guy off the bench. And he wouldn't be required to do much behind the plate except catch once a week. I'm skeptical that management would view him as a capable enough catcher to be the lone backup though.
    2007-11-05 12:37:23
    88.   D4P
    Uniform numbers are ridiculous. They serve no meaningful purpose. I don't see any harm in letting more than one player wear the same number. It's not like you can't tell players apart by other means.
    2007-11-05 12:38:23
    89.   gvette
    Why would Piazza take a Chad Moeller size salary and very limited playing time to come back?

    A better fit (and DH time) may be with the other Italian-American former catcher with Dodger ties at the 5 and 57 Freeway.

    2007-11-05 12:39:44
    90.   Bob Timmermann
    88
    So D4P's ideal baseball team has no manager and a team wearing a bunch of uniform numbers that are duplicates?

    Why even bother with uniforms? Why don't you just have the players show up with whatever clothes the player can scrounge up?

    And I think the bats and balls and gloves are overrated too.

    2007-11-05 12:39:47
    91.   uke
    83 - I'm all for that as well.
    2007-11-05 12:40:10
    92.   paranoidandroid
    A simple solution is for Martin to DH when we are in American League cities. That would save him some wear and tear.

    I also think that if we end up carrying three catchers with a guy like Piazza being the third, then we can sit Russ down late in blow out games like Grady FINALLY did in September. He needs INNINGS off, not just travel days. He simply should not be catching 150 games. PERIOD.

    2007-11-05 12:42:12
    93.   still bevens
    89 Yeah getting Piazza back is a pipe dream. Why would we pay for his services if we wont even shell out 1.4mil for Lieberthal?

    Piazza also seemed to take to Angels stadium. I think the only home runs he hit all year were against the Angels at home.

    2007-11-05 12:44:08
    94.   blue22
    89 - I don't understand Mike's recent salary history:

    2004 New York Mets $16,071,429
    2005 New York Mets $16,071,429
    2006 San Diego Padres $1,250,000
    2007 Oakland Athletics $8,500,000

    How did he only make $1.25M with SD, and then get $8.5M from Oakland (of all places)?

    Saenz made a million bucks per year the last couple of seasons. And Lieberthal made over a million bucks for 77 at bats last year. If Piazza "combines" those two roles, I think you could justifiably throw a couple million at him.

    2007-11-05 12:44:10
    95.   D4P
    90
    I can tolerate bats and balls and gloves.

    Uniforms are OK, but I think players should be required to have their batting helmets cleaned off. That grime some of them let accumulate is distasteful. I know they like to look "gritty" and such, but come on. Grow up.

    2007-11-05 12:45:46
    96.   ToyCannon
    95
    Why should they grow up? They are getting paid to play the same game they played since they were 5.
    2007-11-05 12:47:02
    97.   trainwreck
    It is becoming more and more evident that D4P is an anarchist.
    2007-11-05 12:47:08
    98.   Ken Noe
    According to the Toronto Sun, the Jays may make a run at Liberthal, although the article is poorly enough written that it's hard to say if it's opinion or reporting. Geez, I'd love to see Piazza back.
    2007-11-05 12:47:11
    99.   ToyCannon
    I'm watching the conference. Ned really does look out of place.
    2007-11-05 12:47:37
    100.   StolenMonkey86
    89 - I think we could pay Piazza a bit more than that. Lieberthal didn't do that well last year.
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    2007-11-05 12:52:04
    101.   Fallout
    13 So what? Who cares? Is this important? Disagree that he didn't give a reply that you would have rather heard? Just trivial nit-picking.
    2007-11-05 12:52:08
    102.   bhsportsguy
    Mike Piazza caught zero games last year but he had 300+ PA as a DH, that is why he is more valuable in the AL.

    Mike is 39 years old, I only saw one catcher who caught more than one game in 2007 who is older, that is Sandy Alomar, Jr. and he caught just a handful of games.

    2007-11-05 12:53:35
    103.   Ken Noe
    99 He brought Grady out of exile and thus had leverage over him. Torre in contrast is clearly the alpha male now. If the Dodgers don't make the playoffs, McCourt won't blame Joe. What worries me is that with his job on the line, Ned will need to win now. We know what kind of deals he makes when he panics.
    2007-11-05 13:00:13
    104.   Jon Weisman
    101 - How important did I make it seem?
    2007-11-05 13:01:16
    105.   Bluebleeder87
    that is Sandy Alomar, Jr. and he caught just a handful of games.

    I saw him throw a runner out last year! I also saw him in the Dodger Stadium elevator & he really is a happy go lucky guy, really nice guy.

    2007-11-05 13:02:37
    106.   Xeifrank
    per Rototimes, Erik Bedard of the Orioles may be available. vr, Xei
    2007-11-05 13:04:35
    107.   Marty
    Somebody who sports a bad rug, wears a white tie. How surprising.
    2007-11-05 13:05:24
    108.   uke
    106 - How and why?

    What do people think about Mazzone vs. Honeycutt? Is Mazzone even an option?

    2007-11-05 13:05:34
    109.   paranoidandroid
    102 That is why I'd advocate for Piazza as the Saenz replacement with the ability to be an emergency catcher. I'd think the way to fit Piazza in would be only if we carry three catchers. He is not a back-up catcher anymore, but he'd give us the liberty of sitting Russ down late in games and putting in our back-up knowing that Mike can put on the gear if there is an injury.
    2007-11-05 13:06:51
    110.   LogikReader
    Bedard has a k/bb ratio of 3.8

    I have no clue how much he'll ask for, but I'm sure he's worth more than Lohse!

    2007-11-05 13:07:04
    111.   KG16
    108 - i was under the impression that Honeycutt was coming back
    2007-11-05 13:07:19
    112.   Bluebleeder87
    103

    I really feel if NedCo does something panicky like trade blue chippers McCourt will fire him on the spot, the path of going with the youth is set in stone with McCourt as the owner, that's the way I view it anyways/is the impression that i'm getting from him.

    2007-11-05 13:07:37
    113.   scareduck
    79 From a practical point of view, Ned Colletti may not mean one additional win but having him as your leader will impact how the team is viewed. This may not mean much here but we are not the audience that the Dodgers are concerned about.

    Which is how Ned Colletti got to be the Dodgers' GM. The overall thought process, such as it is, that propels the Dodgers toward neurotic mediocrity remains steadfastly intact.

    2007-11-05 13:07:53
    114.   ToyCannon
    The White Tie stuff is nedpicking. He can dress like the TBS sideline reporter for all I care if he makes the right moves.
    2007-11-05 13:09:05
    115.   Marty
    I missed the earlier thread, but it's getting so you can't swing a dead cat around here without hitting a Pinkberry. I suspect they will overextend themselves just as Krispy Kreme did a couple years ago.
    2007-11-05 13:09:45
    116.   Xeifrank
    108. The article says they are considering extending him and at the same time are open to listening to offers for him. Not much more than that. Probably a $$$ thing.
    vr, Xei
    2007-11-05 13:10:42
    117.   KG16