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Imagine Finding These Under Your Tree
2007-12-25 04:58
by Jon Weisman

Santa brought some Dodger prospects (here rated by John Sickels at Minor League Ball).

A continued happy holidays, everyone.

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Comments (238)
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2007-12-25 07:37:34
1.   Dave60
Good list, with lots of reasons to look forward to the 2008 season and beyond. My only question is which starting pitchers will be moved to give McDonald and Kershaw their opportunity.

As a regular lurker and only occasional poster, allow me to wish everyone here a very Merry Christmas. My following of the Dodgers, now almost fify years strong, has been enhanced by your comments and community.

2007-12-25 07:40:15
2.   Vishal
eric enders said something in the last thread about sickels "not drinking the baseball america kool-aid" with regards to mcdonald... what exactly did BA say about him?
2007-12-25 07:44:39
3.   Dave60
I don't know about this year, but in the 2007 Prospects Handbook, McDonald didn't even make the top 30.
2007-12-25 08:08:12
4.   Vishal
3 top 30 for the dodgers or in baseball?

if it's the dodgers, then surely that must've just been an oversight rather than an intentional slight. surely....

2007-12-25 08:14:17
5.   Dave60
It was top 30 for the Dodgers, and it wasn't an oversight. McDonald shows up on the minor league depth chart, but behind such notables as Javy Guerra and Jesus Castillo.

McDonald made tremendous strides during the '07 season, but it's hard to believe that BA thought so little of him before the season.

2007-12-25 08:17:40
6.   PalmdaleSteve1
Anyone know if Schmitt has found under his Christmas tree a healed up arm, ready for February 15th?

Oh..Merry Christmas...!

2007-12-25 08:52:24
7.   Gr-ool
Merry Christmas, all... Thanks for posting this prospect link today, Jon. It's great to think about in spare moments, between time spent with family.

I love seeing some of our best commentators over there too, giving some fine insights on our guys, and Logan White's drafts... Peace.

2007-12-25 09:16:22
8.   overkill94
Definitely a difference in opinion between BA and Sickels about a few players (McDonald, Dewitt, and Elbert specifically). While I'm pleased that Sickels gave McDonald a B+, it does seem a half-grade too high for a guy with such a short track record.
2007-12-25 09:40:06
9.   Gr-ool
In the spirit of today, here's a link to some high school and middle school choirs singing holiday (mostly Christmas) music:

http://tinyurl.com/2uzmc9

I've been very fortunate to have two kids, who both enjoy singing, so I've heard lots of these sorts of renditions live over the years. My daughter happens to be in one of the choirs represented here, too. Enjoy.

2007-12-25 10:13:24
10.   Suffering Bruin
Now why would Jon feel the need to remind Sickels to tell us to be civil? :)

Seriously, great list. I can't think of a better Xmas present than the secure knowledge that the Dodgers are hip-deep in prospects.

Okay, I can think of a few but I'm just sayin'...

2007-12-25 10:22:50
11.   eekrock
Merry Christmas everybody!

Hopefully this time next year the Doyars have an '08 NLCS trophy on the mantle next to the Tree!

2007-12-25 10:23:55
12.   Bob Timmermann
I can't imagine why people would be uncivil when it comes to discussing the rankings of minor leaguers.

That's not something I figure would spark a jihad in the average person.

2007-12-25 10:30:10
13.   Linkmeister
Mele Kalikimaka, everyone!
2007-12-25 10:39:44
14.   berkowit28
12 It's the perceived unfairness or inequity when comparing prospects from rival teams that does it. There's nothing like feelings of unfairness, particularly but not exclusively when felt by children and people used to behaving like children, that inflames "debate".

It was the arrival of many Yankee fans of the loutish variety (such as inhabit the many mlb.com message boards, you know the type) to Sickels' blog when his Yankee list appeared immediately following his Red Sox list that went over the top in incivility and seem to have precipitated a mini nervous breakdown on Sickels' part. I'm pleased to note that, so far, Dodger fans have behaved themselves nicely, although there was one post from some other team's supporters that slipped.

2007-12-25 10:41:30
15.   Bob Timmermann
14
I find that beyond weird. But at least I understand what was going on.
2007-12-25 10:53:33
16.   Zach the Ripper
12
That was hilarious, "spark a jihad". I am now the "crazy guy" at work for laughing out loud at my pc.
Merry Christmas everyone, especially to my fellow peons who have the misfortune of working today.
My best present of the day, you ask? Well a 10 game mini plan for 2008. See ya'll on opening day!
2007-12-25 10:54:14
17.   Daniel Zappala
9 You can use the streaming player to hear a couple of my kids singing on KBYU in about 5 minutes. No, my kids don't make up the entire choir! :-)

http://www.classical89.org/

Merry Christmas everyone.

2007-12-25 11:34:07
18.   Kevin Lewis
Merry Christmas, everyone. My wife and I are in St. Louis, still waiting for Northwest Air to locate our luggage from Sunday night. I will never fly with NWA again, and I will definitely not connect through Minneapolis.

Live and learn.

2007-12-25 11:37:07
19.   fanerman
Merry Christmas everybody!
2007-12-25 11:37:24
20.   fanerman
Hey Kevin Lewis, do you still play COD4? I finally got it.
2007-12-25 11:42:51
21.   Bob Timmermann
18
St. Louis, that's God's Country! Say hi to my brother!
2007-12-25 11:44:51
22.   fanerman
18 Oh, and good luck getting your luggage =/.
2007-12-25 11:51:04
23.   Bumsrap
21 - If St. Louis is God's Country, is LA God's Rock 'N' Roll?
2007-12-25 11:58:08
24.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I play COD4 on 360. GamerTag: theweakspot

Merry Xmas everyone!

2007-12-25 12:07:59
25.   MyTummyHurts
& if you want to see Lucifer live & in person just drive down to Vegas.
2007-12-25 12:16:43
26.   Bluebleeder87
looks like the Yanks & BoSox were the only teams hit with the luxury tax this year. From FoxSports.Com >>>The Yankees were hit with a tax bill of $23.88 million by Major League Baseball in a notice sent to teams late Friday, pushing them over the $100 million mark since the penalty for profligate spending was introduced in 2003.

The only other club that must pay the competitive-balance tax, as it is formally known, is the World Series champion Boston Red Sox, who owe $6.06 million.

2007-12-25 12:29:35
27.   fanerman
24 Cool. My gamertag is "WETPETS", though I won't be able to play until after New Year's.
2007-12-25 13:18:21
28.   Bluebleeder87
"7 ages of Rock" is re-playing right now. The 60's is on as I type this. I think Time Life's Documentary of the evolution of rock was the best rock 'n rock documentary I've ever seen.
2007-12-25 14:10:06
29.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Wish I had caught it, Bluebleeder.

As for me, I'm debating making it out to see "Control," the new Ian Curtis/ Joy Division documentary or staying at home to enjoy the Lakers play the Suns.

I really can't decide.

2007-12-25 14:28:45
30.   immouch
10
pretty sure it's sickels' wife who is warning the world to be civil, whatever that means.
12
agreed. anybody unrelated to the named parties who feels genuine emotion over the "rating" of a player needs to assess what is or isn't important in their lives... or knock it off. either way, it's whack.
merry christmas to all.
2007-12-25 14:57:09
31.   natepurcell
Levitate Ariza!!
2007-12-25 15:27:01
32.   Kevin Lewis
20 24

Yes, I do...far too much. I will be back on after the new year. User name is "Lyle Hutz"

COD4 is probably the best multi player game I have ever played on Xbox live.

2007-12-25 15:29:04
33.   Kevin Lewis
Oh, and still no word on the luggage. At this point we get reimbursed $50 a day for clothing and necessities. My wife and I will hit up the sales tomorrow on Northwest's dime. They probably won't accept a $50 gift card for best buy as a "necessary item"
2007-12-25 15:50:10
34.   Bluebleeder87
29

if you don't catch it on t.v. you can also see it on there website.

2007-12-25 15:58:20
35.   Vishal
this is the most fun i've had watching the lakers in several years.
2007-12-25 15:58:45
36.   Vishal
34 where website?
2007-12-25 16:18:08
37.   natepurcell
This Laker game has had some awesome dunks.
2007-12-25 16:18:54
38.   natepurcell
I really like watching a lineup that has bynum, kobe, ariza, and farmar in it. I hope they re-sign Ariza after this year.
2007-12-25 16:36:11
39.   Bluebleeder87
36

I think it's VH1 OR VH1Classic (not sure) hey Vishal how did you get your nick? (pretty cool, always liked it)

2007-12-25 16:46:44
40.   Bluebleeder87
Just finished reading "Sickels" comment section. I envy Nate, it's not his talent evaluation skills (I have that, or think I do..) but his writing skills are very good, wish I'd stayed in school.
2007-12-25 16:49:48
41.   natepurcell
but his writing skills are very good, wish I'd stayed in school.

It's a shame I don't show them here.

2007-12-25 16:59:20
42.   Vishal
39 haha, thanks man. my parents gave it to me. :)
2007-12-25 17:17:38
43.   Bluebleeder87
with such joy'ish comments about the Lakers, I'm sure they won...
2007-12-25 17:32:33
44.   natepurcell
re: Sickels' list

two top drafted players missing

Josh Wall (2nd rounder)- Don't write him off yet. He made strides last year and still has a ton of projection left in him.

Preston Mattingly (Supp 1st)- I realize his last season was absolutely horrible, but players as raw as Mattingly need more than one year before any judgment can be made. He still has the tools to succeed and shoot himself up prospect lists.

2007-12-25 17:58:06
45.   Bluebleeder87
James McDonald is such a random name, I tride youtubeing him & I got a variety of people including a pastor!
2007-12-25 18:36:16
46.   Sam DC
Deal or No Deal can be quite the emotional roller coaster.
2007-12-25 19:08:26
47.   ET90210
I think the Yanks credit card bill might be worse than our holiday one... ouch.

http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2007/12/25/luxury-doesnt-pay-for-the-yankees/

2007-12-25 21:08:42
48.   Greg Brock
I hope everybody had a nice Christmas. Though Santa gave me a sinus infection for Christmas, the day could not have been nicer.
2007-12-25 22:11:13
49.   Daniel Zappala
We had a great Christmas. Seeing the kids' faces when they opened up presents was great. We kept really good secrets this year.
2007-12-25 22:21:28
50.   Jason in Canada
Merry Christmas everyone. It's amazing Greg, but I too got a sinus infection from St. Nick. My 5 year old soon really scored though with an infected molar.

Have a great Boxing day everyone!

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2007-12-25 22:22:21
51.   Greg Brock
49 I can only assume that they each received a musical instrument.

The Zappala Family Orchestra, now appearing at the Hollywood Bowl.

2007-12-25 22:31:30
52.   Eric Enders
2 Baseball America didn't say anything bad about McDonald, necessarily; they just rank him on their lists far, far below where a pitcher of his age, performance, and repertoire would ordinarily rate. I'm sure they have their reasons.
2007-12-25 22:36:37
53.   Bob Timmermann
I get to go to work tomorrow. I will spend much of the week not knowing what day it is.

This will be repeated next week. Except I won't be working on January 2.

I'm going to go out tomorrow and perhaps see if there are hungry peasants and bring them flesh and wine and pine logs. Then we'll dine together.

Everybody will be happy and sing about it years later.

2007-12-25 22:49:17
54.   Greg Brock
I will be spending the remainder of my vacation scanning graphic organizers, concept maps, and unit exercises, which I then have to put on disks for the rest of the Social Science department. I will also be playing copious amounts of NCAA '08 on the PS3 and sleeping past ten o'clock.

And PPT presentations. Lots and lots of them.

2007-12-25 22:56:27
55.   trainwreck
Merry Christmas to all DT posters and their families.

I am a temp, so I have no idea when I work again, but I will be spending this weekend drinking copious amounts of alcohol.

2007-12-25 23:18:05
56.   bhsportsguy
53 ; 54 ; 55

Yeah, like you won't wondering what is Dan Guerrero doing and who will be wearing various types of "Adidas" hats next season at the Rose Bowl?

2007-12-25 23:19:27
57.   trainwreck
I am like Roger Clemens.

I have become numb to UCLA football coaching search.

2007-12-25 23:20:05
58.   Bob Timmermann
56
Didn't you read about my dream involving Al Golden and Dan Guerrero asking me to bring some ice cream to a reception for him?
2007-12-25 23:22:25
59.   Bob Timmermann
I will accept whomever Greg Brock favors. It's easier that way.
2007-12-25 23:26:43
60.   Greg Brock
59 Don't worry, Bob. My days of bitterness are over. I can go back to being the positive and excited UCLA fan I was for 27/30 of my life.

No matter the coach, it's a new day. And with it comes hope.

Though I think we can all assume Rick Neuheisel is the next coach.

2007-12-26 00:05:04
61.   dzzrtRatt
Hope you all had a great Christmas. We sure did. Best one in a long time. One possible reason: Not having to think about going to prison in the near future. (If you're curious, reflections on that here: http://tinyurl.com/ywobl4.)
2007-12-26 00:13:06
62.   trainwreck
I am happy I did not have to go to my aunt and uncle's house that is across the street from the SF Zoo.

http://tinyurl.com/386plu

Being tiger food is not a good way to spend Christmas.

2007-12-26 00:46:01
63.   bhsportsguy
62 I always go back to my former life working in law firms when I see stories like this one, let's see I'll start by suing the City, and add on from there. Short of, those guys climbing over the fence, I don't see how the City doesn't get hit by a big lawsuit.
2007-12-26 00:54:20
64.   overkill94
61 I don't mean to get too personal (and obviously you can decline to answer if you want), but what sort of legal action are you up against? It's just always weird to think that anyone as respectable as yourself could wind up in hot water.
2007-12-26 02:09:11
65.   mattSD
40 41
The only reason Nate writes so well is that Santa Margarita education.

You probably got Lutrell and Rhodes, right?

I only remember because a Jared Hughes discussion a few years ago on another board and under a different name somehow prompted a very short SM-email, as I recall.

2007-12-26 03:28:10
66.   bhsportsguy
Just to aid in the discussion, here are Sickel's ratings from last year. They are listed by grade but the order is alphabetical.

Clayton Kershaw A-
Andy LaRoche A-
Scott Elbert B+
James Loney B+
Chin-Lung Hu B
Jonathan Meloan B
Blake DeWitt B
Preston Mattingly B-
Tony Abreu C+
Josh Bell C+
Ivan DeJesus C+
Cory Dunlap C+
Kyle Orr C+
Delwyn Young C+
Brian Akin C
Mark Alexander C
Matt Berezay C
Justin Fuller C
Zach Hammes C
Casy Hoorelbeke C
Eric Hull C
Bridger Hunt C
Stephen Johnson C
B.J.Lamura C
Brent Leach C
Andrew Locke C
James McDonald C
Greg Miller C
Bryan Morris C
Justin Orenduff C
Xavier Paul C
Anthony Raglani C
Ryan Rogowski C
Eric Stults C

2007-12-26 07:06:56
67.   Bob Timmermann
I don't mean to get too personal (and obviously you can decline to answer if you want), but what sort of legal action are you up against?

I believe his wife went all through town collecting money to make up the deficit in the building and loan. Mr. Martini busted open his jukebox and Mr. Gower collected on all his charge accounts too.

2007-12-26 07:30:06
68.   D4P
And he just received the following telegram:

MR GOWER CABLED YOU NEED CASH STOP
MY OFFICE INSTRUCTED TO ADVANCE YOU UP TO TWENTY-FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS STOP
HEE-HAW AND MERRY CHRISTMAS SAM WAINWRIGHT

2007-12-26 07:44:46
69.   Bob Timmermann
Well, this guy is single and he's never married and he's off to go OPEN the library.
2007-12-26 07:51:32
70.   Daniel Zappala
If it helps you feel better, I'm going to work today too.
2007-12-26 07:53:28
71.   D4P
If if helps you feel better, I'm working at home today. Kinda like every day.
2007-12-26 08:00:28
72.   Terry A
67 and 68 should win some sort of award. Nice work, gents.
2007-12-26 08:45:40
73.   MC Safety
20 I just got that game Fanerman, I should be on Live by Thursday. Ill shoot you my gamertag when I set it up.
2007-12-26 09:17:47
74.   dkminnick
61 64 - Ratt, I'm glad this was a good Christmas for you, but your story has left me with a pit in my stomach. It's more than weird, it's downright scary.

Best of luck. I'll send good thoughts and prayers.

2007-12-26 09:20:13
75.   Marty
My Christmas was very nice. I got new red and white wine goblets, 12 each. Also, a springform pan, two 9 inch round and nine inch square baking pans and a bundt pan. Now all I need is BHSportsguy to teach me how to bake!
2007-12-26 09:20:53
76.   Bob Timmermann
75
Come on by the library, Marty. I've got leftover apple/blackberry pie.
2007-12-26 09:24:22
77.   D4P
76
Weird. Some friends of ours brought over a pie this weekend, and it was.....wait for it.....apple/blackberry.
2007-12-26 09:26:11
78.   Marty
I'm not going near work today. I'm thinking of going to the Arclight to see There Will be Blood.
2007-12-26 09:26:16
79.   Bob Timmermann
Blackberries leave red stains behind.

I demand an investigation.

2007-12-26 09:26:53
80.   Bob Timmermann
78
Drive down Flower very slowly and I'll throw a slice in your open car window.
2007-12-26 09:48:42
81.   berkowit28
61 74
Where did you find dzzrtRatt's actual story, dkminnick? I have to say that his comment and link got me very intrigued, too. I don't know why others think that it's a suitable topic for mockery (67, 68 - though I see that Ratt's own blog back on 12/22/2006 was about the Capra film, so it could be that long-time friends in the know here are making an in-joke), and I'm sorry if that's going to make him less inclined to tell us more. I couldn't find any links back to more about whatever was happening to him then. Refusal to divulge a source, or something completely different?
2007-12-26 10:00:57
82.   Bob Timmermann
81
It's a complicated story and I think D4P and I were just in the holiday mood.

Neither he nor I know details.

2007-12-26 10:13:34
83.   bhsportsguy
75 Are the red wine glasses wider to get more air down into glass?

I am working this week too so I will leave it to Greg Brock to tell us who is going to win the NCAA basketball championship via PSIII.

2007-12-26 10:26:18
84.   dkminnick
81 - I don't know the details. I'd like to, but that's up to dzzrtRatt. It's just terrifying to me that a good man such as he could be facing jail time.
2007-12-26 10:32:43
85.   dkminnick
81 - I don't know the details. I'd like to, but that's up to dzzrtRatt. It's just terrifying to me that a good man such as he could be facing jail time.
2007-12-26 10:32:44
86.   GoBears
Not sure if this is old news 'round here, but Prior just signed with the Padres. Story on ESPN. If he can come back, that's a scary rotation.
2007-12-26 10:36:25
87.   Daniel Zappala
85 , 81 , etc. Anyone who wants to can pretty easily find out what dzzrtRatt is up against. Ratt, for what it's worth, I hope your lawyers are able to sort this out and I hope you have many more happy Christmases with your family. May your son continue to surprise you with his great accomplishments.
2007-12-26 10:46:37
88.   Marty
83 Yes, they are nice wide ones, but still easy to swirl.
2007-12-26 10:49:40
89.   Bob Timmermann
87
dzzrtRatt provided a link to his blog. You can look up articles in the newspaper under his real name.

It's not a real mystery, although the later machinations of legal appeals is.

2007-12-26 10:56:31
90.   berkowit28
87 OK, got it.
2007-12-26 11:06:37
91.   ET90210
Prior signs with the Padres! Nice little rotation they got going there...

http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2007/12/26/prior-chooses-san-diego/

2007-12-26 11:12:35
92.   GoBears
91. And here I thought I was late to the party in 86 .
2007-12-26 11:16:06
93.   Terry A
Prior's got to have some serious ugliness in that shoulder to have scared off so many teams. But if he makes it back, yes, the Padres could be loaded.
2007-12-26 11:25:14
94.   Dark Horse
The Padres rotation looks exactly as loaded as ours was last year. A healthy Prior and Wolf sound terrific. Then again, so do a healthy Schmidt and Kuo.
2007-12-26 11:33:59
95.   bhsportsguy
Mark Prior has visited the disabled list every year since 2003, last year he pitched 10+ innings in Spring Training before having season ending shoulder injury.

The Padres are still more likely to dip down into their 6th, 7th and beyond starters through the 2008 season than the Dodgers.

2007-12-26 11:36:02
96.   dzzrtRatt
85 Good morning...sorry to roil the waters.

In 2004, a company I worked for came under the scrutiny of the LA Times, the city controller and eventually the U.S. Attorneys' office. The investigation started as "pay for play," and then evolved into my company's billing practices with respect to city of LA clients, of which we had a few. It was a combination of things that created the circumstance, especially the upcoming mayoral election, but there were also a number of personalities involved. My office, and the company's relationship with that office were "toxic." From the moment I started working there the dysfunction was apparent, but I persevered, foolishly.

To make a long story short, the US Attorneys needed a "win," and my company needed scapegoats to avoid going the Arthur Anderson route, i.e. indictment leading to immediate dissolution of the company. So, rather than fighting what were ridiculous charges -- which was their first plan, and for which there was ample evidence to work with -- the company decided to concede everything the government was saying, so long as all the alleged misdeeds could be blamed on a small handful of people all in Los Angeles. I was one of those people. And then, basically, "I fought the law and law won." I did not agree to plead guilty to a felony in return for lenient treatment because I wasn't guilty, and I wasn't willing to say I was. Not that it would have changed my decision, but I went into the trial naively believing the government had to "prove" its case. In reality, the prosecutors' job is to sway the jury using whatever works. I was convicted in May 2006.
This slow process had reached a point in late 2006 where sentencing was imminent shortly after the holidays.

Now, fast-forward a year, and my case and my sentence are on appeal, with the appellate court having ruled in June that I would not have to serve my sentence pending appeal. Under federal law, the vast majority of federal convicts must wait out the appeal process in prison, even non-violent and "white-collar" cases, so it was a massive relief plus a good legal augury for the ultimate outcome that the appellate judges decided to keep me out.

So, besides the egg-nog, what motivated me to post that probably too-personal comment was realizing how nice it was to spend Christmas with members of my extended family, and not feel like I was weeks away from a year away from home. My wife, my son, my parents and my siblings were able to enjoy the holiday without that anxiety, and I realized what a difference that made. Freedom is wonderful.

2007-12-26 11:43:54
97.   D4P
In reality, the prosecutors' job is to sway the jury using whatever works

I think that's generally true for defense attorneys as well. Neither side is interested in "the truth" or "justice" per se, but rather with "winning".

2007-12-26 11:44:29
98.   bhsportsguy
96 Having work on many a trial (albeit only in Civil cases), it is quite true that the goal is not justice as proclaimed but it is winning by using any and all methods (certainly in the cases that I was involved in, above board and legal, but that is not always the case.)

The thing is that cases often turn on the credibility of the witnesses and the believability of each side's version of what happened. Unless you have that rare "open and shut" case, you are never going to know what exactly happened and unlike TV/Movies, you don't get to see the crime take place so you know that right person is being convicted.

Good luck to you dzzzRatt and I hope that you will always be able to breathe the air of freedom.

2007-12-26 11:48:14
99.   Summer Saint
Who are the 6 and 7 guys for the Padres at this point? Justin Germano and Clay Hensley? If that's the case, then if (when?) Wolf and Prior go down the Padres are going to have to turn to a guy with a career-high 91 ERA+ and shoddy peripherals, and a 28 year old who pitched 50 innings last year while bouncing back and forth between the DL, AAA and the bigs. Granted, they're still the Padres so they'll still find a way to leave the Dodgers shaking their heads, but that rotation is really looking shaky to me.

And this is kind of off-topic, but what is it about Petco that makes it such a pitcher's park? Is it just the huge outfield dimensions? I'm still coming up to speed on some of the sabermetric-y stuff, and I've yet to see (from a reliable source, such as you people) what types of dimensions actually contribute to different park factors.

2007-12-26 12:03:42
100.   bhsportsguy
99 I think dimensions and climate each play a role, Petco was the most difficult place to score a run in baseball last year. And while the Padre pitchers certainly enjoy the park factors, the Padre hitters don't do much better than their opponents, finishing 30th (last) in OPS a home in 2007. Padre opponents scored 278 runs against them (less than 3.5 per game) at home but the Padres themselves scored only 323 runs (just under 4 runs per game).

Petco's park factors will probably in the near future deter a player like Andruw Jones signing with them for a short term deal because of its affect on offense but then again, Petco is perfect for ptichers like Wolf and Prior who are looking for one-year turnarounds.

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