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Ignorance
2008-01-01 07:34
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Okay, I am not opening up the floor on New Year's Day for a Juan Pierre discussion. But how did I miss the fact up to now that he has a no-trade clause, as Ken Gurnick mentions at MLB.com?

Without anyone debating the merits of Pierre on this fine day, who wants to tell me just how oblivious I have been? (Or if Gurnick possibly made a New Year's mistake?)

Update: The Dodgers gave me confirmation that Pierre does not have a no-trade clause. Mystery solved.

Comments (195)
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2008-01-01 07:43:08
1.   Daniel Zappala
Well, no one noticed that before. Maybe he will waive it if he realizes he won't be in CF, and won't even get regular playing time in LF? If he could be assured that he would be traded to a team that needs a CF, wouldn't he do that?

My first and last post this year that metions Pierre.

Happy New Year! Time to start making waffles!

2008-01-01 07:47:35
2.   Jon Weisman
1 - I think he would. But still ... not to drop another bomb, but to think people complained about Drew's out clause.

Not that I want to start that debate again either ... so let's forget I said it.

Boy, a lot of minefields in 2008.

2008-01-01 07:54:44
3.   Bob Timmermann
Let the record show that it is not windy in Pasadena today.

I would hate xeifrank to be mad at me.

2008-01-01 08:08:21
4.   DXMachina
Could Gurnick be wrong about the no-trade clause? Because you'd think someone would've mentioned it before now. Certainly Ned could've used it to answer a lot of Pierre trade speculation questions from reporters after the Jones signing by saying "Pierre has a no-trade clause."
2008-01-01 08:19:35
5.   Jon Weisman
4 - The more no one claims to have seen it before, the more I wonder. It's an odd time for the news to come out for the first time, and even Gurnick, I believe, had suggested recently that Pierre might be traded.

Did he get confused with Jones, whose contract I believe was announced with a no-trade clause?

2008-01-01 08:22:22
6.   D4P
It's not listed on this site.

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/los-angeles-dodgers.html

2008-01-01 08:27:25
7.   Humma Kavula
I was wondering if I should make a New Year's resolution not to mention Pierre again. I kinda went overboard last year.

Then I come to the site... and it turns out that U2 was right! Nothing changes on New Year's Day!

A new year... and, let's hope, a new Pierre.

2008-01-01 08:31:26
8.   fanerman
I've never heard of it. Maybe Gurnick is wrong.

7 A new Pierre in a different uniform sounds good to me.

2008-01-01 08:50:43
9.   Jon Weisman
For those keeping score, the Dodger float is about 20 away. It's #50, and they just had the All-Kamehameha float at #29.

Commenters here might be more interested that the Trader Joe's float comes up at #42.

2008-01-01 08:57:13
10.   Bob Timmermann
I guess D4P missed the Joe Montana interview during the Outback Bowl.
2008-01-01 09:02:33
11.   CanuckDodger
Whether Gurnick is correct or not doesn't matter, since only a team interested in making Pierre its everyday CF would accept Pierre in trade, and the Dodgers would have no problem inducing Pierre to waive the no-trade clause, if they even had to. The Dodgers would just tell Pierre that as a Dodger he would only be a bench player.
2008-01-01 09:05:13
12.   D4P
10
I wouldn't say I missed it, Bob...

http://tinyurl.com/3ybqaa

2008-01-01 09:23:14
13.   fordprefect
There went the Dodger float;
my wife wanted to know "who's on it?" and I reflexively thought Cey & Garvey but didn't look and no Tivo, so ....anyone notice?
-fp
2008-01-01 09:29:34
14.   fanerman
The parade is over already? It always seemed longer when I was a kid.
2008-01-01 09:34:48
15.   fordprefect
14
Still on unless this is some time-shifting on the part of HGTV.
-fp
2008-01-01 09:56:50
16.   old dodger fan
6 It is not listed on that site but it does list no-trade provisions for several other players.
2008-01-01 10:21:21
17.   Daniel Zappala
I saw it on TV. They mentioned Garvey, Fernando, Vin Scully, possibly Karros, and of course they interviewed Tommy.
2008-01-01 10:25:39
18.   Marty
Tommy didn't look comfortable on the float.

No B1 this year. That's always been the highlight for me because it would circle over my house before the parade started.

2008-01-01 10:28:39
19.   scareduck
The guy on top of the float looks like Dallas McPherson.

I would like to know why the float has #50 batting. Eric Stults was used mostly as a reliever and had a grand total of 12 AB this year:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/stulter01.shtml

2008-01-01 10:31:52
20.   Bob Timmermann
It's the Dodgers 50th year in L.A.
2008-01-01 10:32:28
21.   Bob Timmermann
Or to be precise, it's the Dodgers 50th anniversary season. They've played 50 years in L.A. already.
2008-01-01 10:40:30
22.   Andrew Shimmin
MLB4U doesn't have the no-trade clause, either. It'd be nice if Gurnick got it wrong, but it doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility that no reporter had bothered to ask about it, before.

I'm not willing to get excited about it until there's any reason to believe it matters. I still assume Colletti likes Pierre.

2008-01-01 11:04:21
23.   Izzy
Not to make things worse, but doesn't he have something in his contract about getting to play every game too, sort of like a "no benching" clause? Probably tied to his chase of "iron man" record. I can't imagine a GM giving a contract with both clauses though. That would be unthinkable.
2008-01-01 11:10:32
24.   Bob Timmermann
A "no benching" clause in a contract would likely not be enforceable.
2008-01-01 11:19:50
25.   Bob Timmermann
And I think a "no benching" clause would be unenforceable because such a clause would:
1) potentially affect the salaries or future salaries of other players
2) affect the playing conditions of a game.
3) completely destroy the roles of labor and management in the game.

If a player could have a "no benching" clause, what would then prevent a player from ever being fined or disciplined in any way?

2008-01-01 11:21:13
26.   Jon Weisman
23 - No, he does not.

People somehow drew that conclusion when he said "it's in my contract to play 162 games." It was just a figure of speech.

2008-01-01 11:22:19
27.   willhite
23 - I'd be happy to provide a chair if they can't put him on the bench.

On another topic - mlbtraderumors.com has an interesting link to a wikipedia entry on a 21 year old pitcher now throwing for the Nippon Ham Fighters. Apparently he's the new Japanese pitching hero, since most of their others have come over here. Half Japanese, half Iranian which is already very interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu_Darvish

2008-01-01 11:22:35
28.   Jon Weisman
Off the top of my head, people I saw on the float: Penny, Loney, Kuo, Karros, Parker, Ann Meyers, Jamie Jarrin, Vinny, Nancy Bea, Tommy Lasorda, and I think Nomar.
2008-01-01 11:25:28
29.   Bob Timmermann
27
I doubt Darvish will be coming stateside for a while.

To get Darvish to come to the US before he is eligible to be posted, some team would have to fork over hundreds of million of dollars to the Nippon Ham people.

2008-01-01 11:28:52
30.   willhite
29 -

No telling what the Yanks or Red Sox might do with the money they set aside for Santana if they don't get him, although Darvish has apparently announced he has no desire to come over here anytime in the immediate future

2008-01-01 11:40:05
31.   Bob Timmermann
Nippon Ham could not receive enough money from the Yankees and Red Sox that would offset the cost of them losing one of the best pitchers in the country and making their fans think they are the Florida Marlins of Japan.

Darvish is really young and I wouldn't be convinced he would be an instant success in the U.S. He would be good, but I can't imagine he would start out any better than Matsuzaka.

2008-01-01 11:45:10
32.   willhite
31 - We're getting so many of the Japanese stars over here now that I wonder how long it will be until MLB decides to put a team or teams in Japan? Logistically it might be a huge headache, but I still wonder.

I guess by most standards, Japanese ball is no better than AAA, but I wonder what the average Japanese fan feels about the U.S. grabbing so many of their good players. Maybe they think of it as an honor, or maybe it really ticks them off.

2008-01-01 11:51:08
33.   Slipstream
32-When Matsui first came over here, the nightly Japanese sports news would start off with updates on Ichiro and Matsui. Then, in a slightly melancholic tone, the announcer would say, "Now let's turn to Japanese professional baseball. . ."
2008-01-01 11:51:16
34.   tjshere
Anyone besides me watch the entire Blue Years Eve marathon on Fox Prime Ticket yesterday?

Happy New Year, all. And thanks, Jon, for another terrific year of postings.

2008-01-01 12:02:46
35.   Bob Timmermann
32
I've read that the most logical thing for MLB to do is to just buy NPB. There might be cultural barriers to this, but it makes sense. It would stabilize player defections and also MLB would be able to help market the game better in Japan.

As bad as you might think MLB's marketing is, NPB's is a thousand times worse.

2008-01-01 12:12:44
36.   Joe Pierre
It seems like more than a few on ITD, including myself just learned from Gurnick that Pierre has a no trade clause. You are definately not alone. This doesn't look good for Ethier. Happy New Year BTW.
2008-01-01 12:13:06
37.   Andrew Shimmin
A thousand times worse than MLB? Hmm. Free squid slushy showers for the first 1,000 ticket holders? Drawings for forced castration?
2008-01-01 12:13:29
38.   silverwidow
Gurnick's opening day lineup:

Rafael Furcal, SS
Russell Martin, C
Matt Kemp, RF
Andruw Jones, CF
Jeff Kent, 2B
James Loney, 1B
Andy LaRoche, 3B (this must've been hard for Ken to write)
Juan Pierre, LF
Brad Penny, P

2008-01-01 12:16:25
39.   willhite
34 -

Only had time to watch the one on Gibson's homer but I think I could watch that one every day. Every time I watch it, I'm reminded of why I love baseball so much and it somehow lets me forget about all the steroid stuff.

2008-01-01 12:19:48
40.   Bluebleeder87
34

I missed it, hopefully they have a re-peat later on today.

2008-01-01 12:23:02
41.   D4P
Not that he should bat anywhere else in the lineup, but Pierre batting 8th just doesn't make any sense. He's not gonna sacrifice with the pitcher behind him, so that "part of his game" is taken away. But if he can't bunt with runners on base, he's just gonna vulturize even more than he did last year.

It would make more sense to bat him 9th (if he's gonna be in the lineup), with the pitcher batting 8th. That way, the pitcher could bunt guys off of first, and Pierre could move runners up with grounders, rather than forcing them out at 2nd with bunts and grounders.

2008-01-01 12:28:30
42.   willhite
41 -
Agreed. 9th would be better than 8th but could Ned actually handle having his 45 mil signing batting behind the pitcher? Of course, if Torre wanted to put him there, I doubt there would be an argument. I'm not sure Grady could have gotten away with that.

It might also give Furcal more fastballs to look at which could also be an advantage.

2008-01-01 12:36:50
43.   Bob Timmermann
Channel 5 shows the Rose Parade over and over again today until the news comes on at 10.
2008-01-01 12:52:16
44.   Bluebleeder87
34

I just checked & unfortunately it won't air again.

2008-01-01 13:11:27
45.   LAT
I was snookered by my own kids. Turns out Hawaiian New Year's was at 2:00PST, not 3:00PST. We were doing the hula at 1:00am Hawaii time and the kids knew it the whole time.
2008-01-01 13:18:52
46.   Linkmeister
45 LAT, if you did a hula at midnight (or even 1:00am) HST, you were probably the only one. Out here we tend to blow stuff up at midnight, with all that entails for respiratory-disease sufferers and family pets.

Can you tell I'm not enamored of this "tradition?" My sedated dog is still asleep and uncomfortable.

Hauoli Makahiki Hou, everyone!

2008-01-01 13:19:14
47.   bhsportsguy
45 I thought that was the case, I figured they counted on you not checking the difference.
2008-01-01 13:19:58
48.   Ken Noe
38 Not to mention that Colletti will probably look for bullpen help instead of a third baseman.

I can find nothing about JP being no-trade.

2008-01-01 13:21:28
49.   LAT
Yesterday's Daily Racing Forum listed the Dodgers at 10-1 to win the NL. 10-1. They may not be the favorite but 10-1. For three quarters of the season they had one of the best records in baseball. That was with JP in CF. No Schmidt or Wolf and Nomar blocking Loney for half the year. This year Loney, Kemp play enitre year. Jones in CF and arguable pitching upgrades. I'll be taking that 10-1.
2008-01-01 13:28:08
50.   LAT
46. Its better than shooting guns in the air. But I would not be crazy about that tradition either. Especially having two dogs.
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2008-01-01 13:32:17
51.   LAT
From Gurnick's latest:
Colletti essentially repaired what went wrong last offseason. Jones is an upgrade in center field from either J.D. Drew or Juan Pierre

Huh? Drew wasn't on the team last year and didn't play CF.

2008-01-01 13:32:17
52.   Robert Fiore
No trade clause? Man, that is a deal that just gets dumber.
2008-01-01 13:32:22
53.   Disabled List
49 Sportsbetting.com, a website I use strictly for informational purposes, has the odds for the NL pennant a little different:

Arizona Diamondbacks 11 - 1
Atlanta Braves 11 - 1
Chicago Cubs 4 - 1
Cincinnati Reds 17 - 1
Colorado Rockies 9 - 1
Florida Marlins 75 - 1
Houston Astros 25 - 1
Los Angeles Dodgers 7 - 1
Milwaukee Brewers 11 - 1
New York Mets 5 - 1
Philadelphia Phillies 5 - 1
Pittsburgh Pirates 75 - 1
San Diego Padres 7 - 1
San Francisco Giants 40 - 1
St Louis Cardinals 11 - 1
Washington Nationals 75 - 1

The Cubs are actually the favorite. I think the odds for the NL West teams are a little long simply because the NL West is gonna be really tough this year. Incidentally, the Dodgers are 20-1 to win the World Series.

2008-01-01 13:40:52
54.   LAT
Also from Gurnick:
Of course, Torre's job has already been made much easier than that facing predecessor Grady Little because most of the sour veterans have already been cut loose through the departures of 13 free agents.

I guess the sourness was all Gonzo. Kent, Nomar and Lowe were as happy go lucky as ever.

2008-01-01 13:49:49
55.   Bumsrap
Gurnick's article was the first time I read anything about a no trade clause. If Pierre agrees to be traded he no doubt will list the teams he will agree to accept a trade. He might want money to wave that clause. But with all that charactor in him, a trade should not be a problem. And, he might make a great fourth outfielder/lefty pinch hitter.

If the Dodgers keep him as a pinch hitter, pinch runner, extra outfielder, he serves as a reminder to McCourt that many times it is better to not do something than to act in haste.

2008-01-01 13:49:50
56.   genem
Anyone elses wife notice the "package" on the dodger batter on the float being "rather large"
2008-01-01 13:50:10
57.   LAT
Mets and Phillies at 5-1. Are they kidding. The Mets have done nothing except go backwards. The rotation is worse. They are likely to get far less offense from their new catcher. And they are comming off career lows for Delgado and Reyes. (Although the same could be said for A. Jones)
2008-01-01 13:53:10
58.   Bumsrap
56 - Maybe some of those popcorn kernals used on the float popped.
2008-01-01 13:55:50
59.   Disabled List
The Mets and Phillies have an easier path to the playoffs than any of the NL West teams. I think the Dodgers, Padres and D-backs are all better teams, but that's not how these odds are calculated, strictly speaking.

Were I betting man, I might think the Diamondbacks are a value bet at 11-1.

2008-01-01 14:44:23
60.   Dodgers49
51. From Gurnick's latest:
Colletti essentially repaired what went wrong last offseason. Jones is an upgrade in center field from either J.D. Drew or Juan Pierre

Huh? Drew wasn't on the team last year and didn't play CF.

I think he's referring to the fact that Colletti was planning on Drew moving to CF to replace Lofton when J.D. "surprised" him by opting out and then Ned grabbed Pierre.

2008-01-01 14:51:21
61.   immouch
right now, trading pierre is a pipe dream. i don't think there's a huge market for him. and now that we've signed Jones we'd be selling pretty low. but starting the season with Pierre as a bench player could give the dodgers a very solid chip at the trade deadline.... meanwhile, off point, i was about to write something about how Illinois wouldn't win 6 games in the Pac 10. but then the guy just ran back an interception 30 yards or so... i still think 'SC plays tougher teams every other week...
2008-01-01 14:56:58
62.   immouch
i love the furious nod after the big screw up. the illinois kicker missed a 25 yd. field goal and started nodding like some kind of bobblehead dude. "yup, i screwed up... sure did." ... about a billion humans just saw the guy shank the kick. don't know that we needed the nod to fill in the gaps...
2008-01-01 15:05:31
63.   Gen3Blue
How on earth do the Ham Fighters( oops, Bob) ,I mean Fighters find these fascinating young pitchers. Even allowing for Wikapedia's possible inaccuracies, a Japanese/Iranian 21 year old who is gay, has a pregnant actress girl friend(Saiko), and was suspended for underage smoking/whoring years ago is pretty exotic.
2008-01-01 15:08:26
64.   Indiana Jon
61 You can't be serious. UCLA nearly won 6 games in the Pac-10. A game between the Big Ten's best team and the Pac 10's number two wouldn't be nearly this close. In the meantime, Michigan, who ties with Illinois in the Big Ten, just finished beating Florida, who is a better team than USC.
2008-01-01 15:16:08
65.   immouch
so do we have consensus on pierre's stinking contract? by mentioning him, by the way, i'm violating about nine of my new years resolutions.
2008-01-01 15:23:58
66.   Eric Enders
I'm in favor of keeping Pierre because if we trade him we won't have any more players named after state capitals. Not unless Austin Gallagher moves through the system quickly.
2008-01-01 15:26:53
67.   Indiana Jon
66 I'm in favor of trading Pierre for Joaquin Phoenix
2008-01-01 15:30:04
68.   Kingmans Performance
56 Just who was supposed to be represented by that player anyway?

Willie Davis? Manny Mota? Davey Lopes?

my first impression was that the LA Dodger caricature on the float resembled someone mentioned in the MR...

(cue the Dragnet music here: http://tinyurl.com/29nvxs)

2008-01-01 15:33:38
69.   immouch
56
i thought that was a feature related to my trial with high-def...
2008-01-01 15:35:09
70.   twerp
Hope this hasn't been mentioned here...

Speaking of ignorance--make that arrogance--here's a link to an item on Boras' ego taking a hit from the A-Rod/Yankees fiasco. It should help get everyone's New Year off to a good start, since Boras is so universally loved and admired here....

Excerpt: "A-Rod might not be the most popular guy in the game, but don't think he didn't do some serious damage to Boras' image. He basically called the guy a lying weasel on national TV. Nobody in the business is shedding any tears for Boras, believe me, but he took a serious hit."

Item also says Boras has tried to call A-Rod. But A-Rod won't take the calls.

http://tinyurl.com/yvxasn

2008-01-01 15:37:20
71.   berkowit28
67 Never having heard of this person - sorry - I checked him up in wiki'a wondering if he were a minor league prospect or something. Now I know. Apparently the name he was born with was Joaquin Rafael Bottom. Doesn't sound so good. Nor does Leaf Bottom, which he apparently just escaped calling himself for a time. He might get a part starring in Paramus and Thisbe, though, with that name.
2008-01-01 15:39:39
72.   Eric Enders
I'll hedge my statment by saying that Reggie Jefferson, Rollie Fingers, Oscar Charleston, Reggie Jackson, Mike Lansing, Rick Springfield, and Bob Denver would all be preferable to Pierre. As would our former GM, St. Paul.
2008-01-01 15:53:44
73.   ET90210
Pierre didn't even make the "All-Overpaid Team" on www.mlbfleecefactor.com. He can't be that bad! haha I kid, he is!

There is a funny article about homerism. I am a sucker for pictures of Homer I think.

http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/01/01/introducing-the-homer-award/

2008-01-01 16:00:58
74.   regfairfield
73 To be fair to Juan, that list is pretty terrible. There are enough players that are horrible making real money that people that actually contribute shouldn't be on the list.
2008-01-01 16:15:41
75.   Andrew Shimmin
I've created an attack ad about regfairfield's softness on the Pierre Situation, but I don't have enough money to buy air time for it. I'm hoping the national media will pick it up, anyway, and show it for free.

Actually, how much does movie theater advertising cost? If the National Guard can run that fifteen (or whatever) minute music video before every movie in the country, I could maybe pop for a screen or two. Preferably somewhere near when Reg (or, better, his parents) live. "You're not really a Pierre-lover are you, honey? There was this ad at the movie theater, but I can't believe it's true. I thought we'd raised you better than that... (in the backround: You're killing your mother, son; I hope you're proud of yourself!)"

2008-01-01 16:26:46
76.   Johnson
66 etc.
A Baseball-Reference search comes up with six current major leaguers who fit the state capital name criterion:

Juan Pierre
Austin Kearns
Conor Jackson
Edwin Jackson
Pierre-Luc "Pete" LaForest
Richmond "Richie" Sexson

It also finds 31 current minor leaguers:
Lincoln - 1
Pierre - 1
Richmond - 1
Sacramento - 1
Salem - 1
Carson - 3 (kind of cheating, as I didn't cut any slack for just "Paul" -- no current Jeffersons, though)
Austin - 11
Jackson - 13

The list adds up to 32 because Austin Jackson, currently in AAA for the Yankees, is pulling double duty.

2008-01-01 16:33:07
77.   bigcpa
75 I priced it out once. If you stay regional within one chain it's pretty reasonable. Around $1,500/month for a single slide in the rotation. We should take a collection for a "Trade Pierre" slide and schedule a DT day at the movies. It could become the new Rocky Horror phenomenon.
2008-01-01 16:33:10
78.   Jon Weisman
Okay, I got word back from the Dodgers that the part in Gurnick's story about Pierre having a no-trade clause was a mistake.
2008-01-01 16:35:57
79.   regfairfield
75 I meant that he deserved to be on the list before Drew and Rowand, at the very least. I'd say the outfield should be Pierre, Matthews, and either Wells or Damon.
2008-01-01 16:37:23
80.   Andrew Shimmin
79- Flipflopper!
2008-01-01 16:37:29
81.   willhite
78 -
Someone answered you on New Year's Day?
2008-01-01 16:38:00
82.   Jon Weisman
75 - I had a summer internship at KABC-TV in 1986. At one point, I was logging all the commercials and the dollars paid for them. Middle of the night was well under $50 a pop and I often wondered if I should just get some friends together to just buy some air time for no reason.

That was also my summer of gophering for AM Los Angeles with Steve Edwards and Christina Ferrare ... and making a diving catch in the outfield in a weekend softball game next to Mark Coogan.

2008-01-01 16:38:38
83.   Jon Weisman
81 - Yep.
2008-01-01 16:40:38
84.   Eric Enders
"I often wondered if I should just get some friends together to just buy some air time for no reason."

What if there was a good reason? Although I guess the tagline "this message brought to you by the Society for the Prevention of Juan Pierre" would be a tad tasteless.

2008-01-01 16:42:18
85.   Lexinthedena
Anyone else heard that Cowheard soundbite dissing the Dodgers?....says that Brad Penny is past his prime...

I have lost my patience or Cowheard.....he is horrible...

2008-01-01 16:43:35
86.   willhite
83 -

I assume you heard from Ned directly. He got a panic attack when he saw Gurnick's article and was just checking the contract when you dropped him an email.

2008-01-01 16:43:45
87.   Eric Enders
One thing I learned when I went to South Dakota is that the pronunciation of the state capital is like the juror, and unlike the outfielder.
2008-01-01 16:44:01
88.   Bluebleeder87
And they are comming off career lows for Delgado and Reyes. (Although the same could be said for A. Jones)

I'm expecting a nice bounce back year from both of them:

Andruw Jones [http://tinyurl.com/5bja8]

Jose Reyes [http://tinyurl.com/yrvmmm]

You know what though, Jose Reyes ob% isn't eye catching but I guess it's good enough.

2008-01-01 16:49:52
89.   Andrew Shimmin
Society for the Promotion of Cruelty to Juan Pierre has a little more zip, I think.
2008-01-01 16:56:32
90.   berkowit28
75 77 How about an ad on the screen at Dodger Stadium, for DT day? Ah, I guess they must vet them for content (?).
2008-01-01 16:57:01
91.   Eric Enders
Hey, I have nothing against the little fellow. I don't want to see harm befall him. He's like a stray cat -- I wish him the best, I just want him out of my house.
2008-01-01 16:59:43
92.   berkowit28
87 Juror?
2008-01-01 17:03:44
93.   Eric Enders
Peer.
2008-01-01 17:03:55
94.   Sam DC
92 In $64,000 parlance, the clue would be "You are supposed to get a jury made up of your these."
2008-01-01 17:05:58
95.   Sam DC
94 "$64,000 Pyramid parlance"
2008-01-01 17:06:25
96.   Lexinthedena
94- "In the parlance of our times"
2008-01-01 17:07:12
97.   berkowit28
93 Ah, OK. Homonym for the disappointed bridge.
2008-01-01 17:09:27
98.   Eric Enders
My other clue for that word would have been "Bill Walker."
http://tinyurl.com/27u8u8
2008-01-01 17:11:41
99.   Andrew Shimmin
90- Was it the Cubs who got sued for running an in-game ad congratulating a teenager on acquiring an STD? Or something. I remember the story, but not the details. Anyway, I bet they screen them better, now.

I like that it seems necessary to publicly affirm that one wishes Pierre no harm. That it's the hallmark of the Pierre moderate.

2008-01-01 17:15:20
100.   Johnson
95 Wouldn't that be "$64,000 Pierre-amid"?
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2008-01-01 17:17:17
101.   Eric Enders
99 That was the Cardinals. The girl's mother filed a suit seeking what seemed to me to be a ridiculously low amount, but I'm not sure if the Cardinals settled it or what.
2008-01-01 17:19:57
102.   immouch
jon is officially my hero for getting the goods on pierre's non-no-tradiness... i raise a beer in your general direction!
2008-01-01 17:22:58
103.   Eric Enders
It says a lot about Jon's humility that he wrote a post involving Ned Colletti, Juan Pierre, and Ken Gurnick entitled "Ignorance," and the title word was actually referring to, of all people, Jon.

Now, of course, it has a different meaning altogether.

2008-01-01 17:23:59
104.   Jon Weisman
103 - Was it?
2008-01-01 17:25:53
105.   Bob Timmermann
104
Jon is the Alibi Ike of the 21st Century.
2008-01-01 17:26:36
106.   Xeifrank
Great day at the parade and lunch at my favorite Chinese restaraunt in San Gabriel. No wind at all, thanks to Bob. The Dodgers float was nice, got a nice view of Penny, Saito and Karros et al. Best float/costumes was the Beijing Olympics float. Biggest crowd reaction was for the group from El Salvador. They probably had the best marching band along with a high school band from Hawaii. I will post some Dodger float pics on my blog tomorrow.

vr, Xei

2008-01-01 17:26:46
107.   bigcpa
Now the title is a slam on Ken Gurnick.
2008-01-01 17:29:07
108.   Bob Timmermann
106
I knew it wasn't going to be windy. The rest of life is not so certain.
2008-01-01 17:29:46
109.   Eric Enders
104 Uh, well, now I guess I'm not so sure.
2008-01-01 17:36:55
110.   Andrew Shimmin
Gurnick is useless.

111. regfairfield

In Gurnick's defense, a lot of reporters are probably even worse. We should just give thanks that he mostly spells everything right, I say.

2008-01-01 17:38:08
111.   Andrew Shimmin
Oh. There's a second space. Dang.
2008-01-01 17:39:24
112.   Jon Weisman
111 - If you can right-justify the timecode, you're golden.
2008-01-01 17:39:37
113.   Eric Enders
We don't really know whether Gurnick spells everything right, or whether his copy editor does.

Sarah Morris spells everything right, too.

2008-01-01 17:40:54
114.   Eric Enders
As you can see, I was fooled.

But now I notice that not only is there an extra space, there's also an extra carriage return.

2008-01-01 17:44:34
115.   Andrew Shimmin
It would probably be easier to steal regfairfield's password. I'll try every capital/lower case letter combo in "ILoveJuanPierre," first.
2008-01-01 17:50:30
116.   overkill94
64 Florida better than USC? I don't know about that one. I'm actually pretty certain that (as much as it pains me to say it) USC is the best team in the nation. They had some lapses in the middle of the year, but I still would've liked to have seen them in the championship game.
2008-01-01 17:56:08
117.   Indiana Jon
116 Really? The best team in the country? Who is the best team they have beaten this year? Illinois?
2008-01-01 18:00:18
118.   Jon Weisman
109 - It was an all-inclusive title.
2008-01-01 18:02:51
119.   Bob Timmermann
116
Your honor, I would like the court to take notice of the fact that USC lost to Stanford at home.

Stanford, who was playing a backup quarterback and a team that featured, at best, one player (Mark Bradford) who could have played significant time for USC.

The defense rests.

2008-01-01 18:29:06
120.   Marty
Xei, which is your favorite Chinese restaurant?
2008-01-01 18:30:48
121.   twerp
Is Alyssa Milano's Dodger blog history?

What about Lasorda's?

2008-01-01 18:35:01
122.   regfairfield
Juan Pierre:

Hit for a higher average than Carlos Beltran
A better on base percentage than Chris Young
A better slug than Ryan Freel
Had a better +/- than Ichiro
And more steals than Grady Sizemore

I'm not saying Juan Pierre is great, but you do the math.

2008-01-01 18:36:41
123.   Bob Timmermann
"+/-"?

I didn't know that hockey stats had made their way in to baseball yet.

2008-01-01 18:38:56
124.   D4P
I didn't know that hockey stats had made their way in to baseball yet

"Saves" has been around for a while now.

2008-01-01 18:44:50
125.   Bob Timmermann
124
Yeah, but everybody knows it's save percentage that is a more indicative stat in hockey.

(Note, hockey stat people argue about this a lot.)

2008-01-01 18:48:19
126.   Andrew Shimmin
For the record, that wasn't me. That was, presumably, the real regfairfield. Let it be a lesson to all the children out there, though, that your heroes will inevitably disappoint you. The whole world's a tragedy. Only drugs and an endless string of loveless hookups will make the time pass till the sweet release of death.
2008-01-01 18:52:55
127.   Andrew Shimmin
But Happy New Year.
2008-01-01 19:15:42
128.   old dodger fan
I sent an email to Gurnick this morning and asked him: "Are you sure Pierre has a no trade? I have never seen that anywhere else."

He answered me with: "that's my understanding, but i don't have details as to whether it's total, partial, for every season or for some."

2008-01-01 19:17:54
129.   regfairfield
If only to restore Andrew's faith in me, I just swapped Juan Pierre for Scott Hairston in my Out Of The Park game.
2008-01-01 19:22:48
130.   old dodger fan
I don't know whether USC is better than Florida or not. The problem is that nobody knows because we don't have a playoff.

8-team; 12--team; 16-team--I don't care. Let's decide it on the field.

2008-01-01 19:34:39
131.   Xeifrank
120. Shanghai Kitchen. Del Mar and Valley, 2nd floor at the Ranch 99 shopping center. We hit this plaza as we can eat our meal, do our Chinese grocery shopping all in one swoop. The fruits and vegetables are great at the Ranch 99, and it along with the meats are half the price we can find in our VtaCo. grocery stores. Plus so many things we can't even find in the area.

I use to frequent Tung Lai Shen at the same plaza. Not it's defunct.

There are many other great little eateries in the area that I don't have a clue what the names are.

vr, Xei

2008-01-01 19:36:25
132.   Xeifrank
130. My playoff system(s) had USC facing LSU in the round of eight. Illinois was no where to be found. vr, Xei
2008-01-01 19:44:36
133.   old dodger fan
Best news of the day: I saw a graphic during the Rose Bowl saying that USC will play at University of VA next year. Wahoo!
2008-01-01 19:47:04
134.   Bob Timmermann
USC opens at UVA on the last Saturday in August. It will be only the second time that the Cavaliers have played a Pac-10 team in football.

Ever.

2008-01-01 19:51:36
135.   Bob Timmermann
Perhaps Stanford isn't that bad. Stanford was the only Pac-10 school to get two players in ABC's top 25 college football players.

Ernie Nevers, a good selection, and John Elway, a selection that was baffling.

Elway was a great quarterback. He was not a great college quarterback. He was very good at Stanford, but the Cardinal were never better than 6-5 with Elway playing.

Apparently, Matt Leinart's career never existed.

2008-01-01 20:02:14
136.   Jon Weisman
135 - Using W-L records to evaluate throwing arms? For shame.

Has The Trent Edwards Experience taught us nothing?

Your post drips with hatred of all things Granada Hills. Daryl Stroh will haunt your dreams.

2008-01-01 20:14:23
137.   Marty
131 I've heard good things about that restaurant and also another Shanghai place, Chang's Garden in Arcadia. I need to get to both.
2008-01-01 20:15:29
138.   Bob Timmermann
136
All the other players were on good teams.

And then there was John Elway. A guy whose team was robbed of a chance to play Vanderbilt in the All-American Bowl.

2008-01-01 20:42:16
139.   trainwreck
Is Reaper's season over?
2008-01-01 20:50:07
140.   Bob Timmermann
139
I believe they were saving some episodes for later in the year.
2008-01-01 20:50:08
141.   Humma Kavula
I know nothing about football, so you should take that into account as I post this opinion:

Hawaii sure looks like they are overmatched in this game.

2008-01-01 20:56:02
142.   trainwreck
Looks like this is going to be a scintillating year for the BCS.

All that talk about how this season is so great and crazy, because things kept changing.

2008-01-01 21:18:22
143.   ET90210
Hawaii is not in the elite class of college football, no way. Will be interesting to see how much Brennan's stock in the NFL takes a hit from this game.

Funny J. Alba article, if anyone cares:
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2008/01/01/off-field-fleeces-gofer-hits-jackpot-lands-alba/

2008-01-01 21:24:17
144.   Jon Weisman
143 - I may have to do a Cash Warren FAQ for this site.
2008-01-01 21:30:25
145.   Bob Timmermann
144
And just think what would have happened if Cash Warren had gotten Danica McKellar pregnant.
2008-01-01 21:34:08
146.   D Money
Update: The Dodgers gave me confirmation that Pierre does not have a no-trade clause. Mystery solved.

im in awe of Jon... lucky man

2008-01-01 21:35:02
147.   D Money
143

FAQ 1) Who is Cash Warren?

2008-01-01 21:37:41
148.   D Money
never mind, he's a gofer.
2008-01-01 21:39:47
149.   dzzrtRatt
146 ...does not have a no-trade clause...

Isn't that a double-negative? Wouldn't it be less awkward to say Juan Pierre has a trade clause?

I like the sound of that. Juan Pierre has a trade clause.

2008-01-01 21:48:10
150.   Andrew Shimmin
149- So, if you test negative for the hepatitis antibody, does that mean you have a hepatitis body?
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2008-01-01 22:00:54
151.   Indiana Jon
and if you don't bake no-bake cookies, then that means you bake cookies?
2008-01-01 22:08:23
152.   dzzrtRatt
151 Somebody did. Unless cookies are now sold in those raw food restaurants.
2008-01-01 22:10:20
153.   Uncle Miltie
In Philadelphia, they have special cheering sections for certain players (The Duckpond, Sal's Pals, Padilla's Flotilla, etc.) Do they have a similar section at University of Hawaii?

Colt's Convicts

2008-01-01 23:15:37
154.   LogikReader
119 and all USC related posts

Excuse me, but I believe a significant part of the SC team was injured for that Stanford game. ANY team with that many injuries might enter the same fate. Yes, overconfidence... but even so, teams CAN improve mentally and physically over the year.

Heck, Michigan lost to Appalachian state at the beginning of the year, but beat Florida today. Let's put to bed any notion that Michigan is not a bowl worthy team.

Today, SC clobbered Illinois, the same team that, yep, BEAT the Ohio State Buckeyes at Ohio Stadium! Imagine if the Trojans played Georgia instead. It might have been closer than the debacles we saw at the Rose and Sugar bowls tonight.

If Ohio State doesn't get blown out by LSU next week, you can bet I'm going to make a case for SC being the best overall team at this current moment.

That's the last you will hear from me the SC fan this season. The defense rests...

Update: 135 I see that Bob clarified his opinion on Stanford. Bob, I have a lot of respect for you for qualifying your statement, and I apologize if the tone of my last five paragraphs were overly vindictive

2008-01-02 00:24:50
155.   Disabled List
The stupid Big 10-Pac 10 tradition robbed us all of the best football matchup of the bowl season, if not the entire year. USC vs. Georgia would've been a way more compelling game than even LSU-OSU.

Instead we got two boring blowouts. Thanks, Rose Bowl committee.

2008-01-02 00:38:44
156.   paranoidandroid
ToyCannon: I'll be at the Clips game Wed night. Section 111, row 10. I'll have my Dodgers jacket and some Clippers gear on. You have my cell number if you are going to the game.

LAT: If you want some more suggestions for Rome and Florence, tell us how long you plan on being in each place. There are some day trip to consider. There is a lot more to see in Rome than in Florence, but Florence and that entire area has a great atmosphere. There is a GREAT and CHEAP restaurant in Florence called Garibaldi's. I got the address out of the Let's Go tour book. There are tourist meals that include two courses, a vegetable (salad or fries for some reason), bread, AND WINE! All a fixed price, lots of choices too.

My biggest piece of advice is to use the potties before touring the Coliseum. There is a bit of a line to get into the building, and if you get the audio tour, it takes about an hour to walk around the arena. There are no potties in there, and if you leave to use one outside, you can't get back in.

Also, be VERY mindful of women and children carrying a folded newspaper. There is a bit of pickpocketing going on near the tourist sites, especially in Rome.

My favorite gelato is pistacio. Gelato in Italy is great. Watch for metal tins rather than plastic ones holding the gelato. That tells you if it is freshly handmade (tin) or frozen (plastic). The stuff out of the tins is better. There is gelato everywhere.

2008-01-02 00:42:40
157.   paranoidandroid
Was Tommy on the float today, or is he considered a float all by himself?

Just to spread the love a little further, the Dodgers confirmed today that there will not be a Juan Pierre bobblehead day this season. It turns out that if the bobblehead is bigger than the actual player, the bobblehead is disallowed.

2008-01-02 06:56:00
158.   Sam DC
Funny!

http://tinyurl.com/27ywh2

2008-01-02 07:03:55
159.   D4P
158
I had that brand of soymilk with my cereal this morning. But here's the thing:

I compared "plain" (i.e. sweetened) soymilk with cow's milk, and cow's milk actually has more sugar per serving. IIRC, cow's milk has 11-12 grams, compared to 6 for soymilk. So, sweetened soymilk has roughly half the sugar of regular milk.

2008-01-02 07:07:57
160.   Penarol1916
154. I still don't know how you put a team that gave up 445 yards to Illinois as the best team in the country. And this is when they are supposed to be playing well. I mean Western Illinois only gave up 400 yards to the same offense, not to mention the 253 yards that Michigan surrendered.

Sure the offense looked impressive, but that cannot be the defense of the best team in the country right now.

2008-01-02 07:20:26
161.   Sam DC
159 I swear on all that is holy that my original comment read "I bet D4P will have something to say about this."

But I changed it because I didn't really know why I came up with that comment.

2008-01-02 07:34:17
162.   D4P
161
Your insight serves you well.
2008-01-02 07:44:53
163.   Daniel Zappala
119 Thank you for Exhibit A that Stanford was actually the best team in college football this year.
2008-01-02 08:56:20
164.   Penarol1916
159. There is nothing I dislike more than soymilk. I remember in 2001 we were looking at financing the company that provides the soymilk base for Silk and pretty much every soymilk available commercially in the US, my boss told me to buy some cartons to have some before we visited, I had most brands and an assortment of different flavors. Truly awful stuff, and I generally have no problem with soy products (I spent a summer working in an ag sciences lab where all we did was try to perfect the texture of a soy chicken and grew to love the stuff).
2008-01-02 08:59:56
165.   D4P
164
I don't care for unsweetened soymilk, but the sweetened is fine. However, I prefer it with cereal rather than straight. I don't hate the flavor, but I don't love it either.
2008-01-02 09:16:23
166.   ToyCannon
Soy Juice, Almond Juice, and the other substitutes are excellent replacements if you are unable to digest lactose or are disturbed by the dairy business.

Anyone who ever enjoyed the song "American Pie" should enjoy this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycgegp0KdE4

2008-01-02 09:17:18
167.   LogikReader
Dumb question: Do you think the Rose Bowl made more money by hosting Illinois instead of Georgia? All along I thought "yes" which is why we had this debacle instead of SC vs Georgia.

Illinois had a great year (for them) but I think the proof is in the pudding that they aren't really in the class of even Michigan right now.

I was just thinking right now: what would have happened if Arizona State won the Pac 10... they'd be in the Rose, while SC could have played Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. On the other hand, SC might have been in the Holiday bowl instead playing Texas. Either way, it would have been a better bowl outcome.

2008-01-02 09:32:37
168.   Bob Timmermann
The Rose Bowl probably makes the same amount of money every year regardless of who plays. The question is if the all ancillary things around the Rose Bowl made more money.

Having USC playing, does make things worse for hotels in the area. I would assume Illinois fans are going to spend around the same amount of money as Georgia fans.

2008-01-02 09:33:22
169.   MC Safety
160 The Big 10 and SEC were horribly overrated this year. Arkansas looked weak, Tennessee looked weak, Kentucky looked weak, Florida looked weak, Wisconsin looked weak, Illinois looked weak.

Didnt SC hold Mike Hart to something like 20 yards last year? And SC's front 4 are much tougher than last year IMO. There isnt an O line in the country that can handle that front four.

Honestly, the only teams I see giving SC a run would be Missouri, LSU or Georgia. Outside of them, no one comes close to beating SC.

2008-01-02 09:33:33
170.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Thanks for the guitar tips, fellas.

I picked up a Fender Stratocaster for the new year as part of my resolution: Learn something new for my students; benefit.

Now I'm hoping that I can learn a few Buzzcocks songs as well bang out some guitar riffs while singing about the rock cycle.

158 Sam, I was at Albertsons last night trying to figure out if to go with the vanilla or plain versions, never even thought of unsweetened. I do believe making such a purchase is surely against the Patriot Act.

2008-01-02 09:36:06
171.   Penarol1916
166. I drink lactose-free milk for that reason, and I'm not sure how much people are disturbed by the dairy business, since most soymilk purchasers are just putting that money into the coffers of the largest dairy companies in America anyway.
2008-01-02 09:39:12
172.   Andrew Shimmin
Seems like we're blaming the Rose Bowl for permitting the BCS System to poach Ohio State, instead of just blaming the BCS system for doing the poaching. There's nothing wrong with the best Pac 10 team's playing the best Big 10 team at the Rose Bowl on New Year's Day. It's a glorious thing. The only problem is when the pointy heads started fixing it so that people would care about the lesser bowls, instead of the only good one.
2008-01-02 09:44:41
173.   Penarol1916
169. How can anyway say that the Big-10 was over-rated this year when they were universally considered the worst BCS conference for most of the year? How can you be overrated when you are considered the worst? If there isn't an O-line in the country that can handle that front four, then why did USC give up so much yardage to Illinois? And to be perfectly honest, USC would destroy Missouri. They can't handle a physical running game with a decent quarterback, which is why Oklahoma handled them both times they played. I'd put Oklahoma, Georgia, USC, and LSU in terms of the teams you could argue are the best right now and probably in that order.
2008-01-02 09:48:38
174.   Penarol1916
172. The good bowl died when the SWC ended and the Cotton Bowl became irrelevant.
2008-01-02 09:52:03
175.   Andrew Shimmin
174- Yeah, watching Notre Dame beat Texas A&M every year must have been terrific! Wish there were some way to recapture that magic. . .
2008-01-02 09:55:50
176.   LogikReader
Pointy heads?
2008-01-02 10:03:21
177.   Andrew Shimmin
176- http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/pointy-heads.html
2008-01-02 10:04:02
178.   Penarol1916
175. As opposed to watching USC blow-out Michigan every year? My earliest Cotton Bowl memory is of Texas A&M destroying Notre Dame and stealling Tim Brown's towel. Greatest Bowl game ever.
2008-01-02 10:09:21
179.   LogikReader
172

Just to add onto Andrew's point, if the best from each conference can't meet, the best thing to do is just scrap the tradition for one year and just pick a better matchup.

I don't know. The BCS bowls are nice, but they're not the end all be all.

My favorite unheralded bowls to date are the Holiday Bowl and particularly the Capital One Bowl. Captial One has delivered year after year. I look forward to the Capital One bowl more than the Sugar Bowl sometimes!

2008-01-02 10:17:31
180.   Penarol1916
179. The Capital One Bowl was better when it was affiliated with the ACC. I loved fooling myself into believing Clemson might be good because they beat an also-ran from some other conference.
2008-01-02 10:17:37
181.   LogikReader
unrelated note: if the Lakers pull another short shorts stunt against a top team in the Eastern Conference again, I'm going to scream.
2008-01-02 10:18:33
182.   Eric Enders
Tradition is great. I think we need to get back to the tradition where Texas goes to the Rose Bowl every year.
2008-01-02 10:20:36
183.   Humma Kavula
If you're mad at the McCourts for raising the parking price to $15 -- and if you're like me, you are -- check out the article linked at Bronx Banter.

Gameday price to park your car at New Yankee Stadium in 2010: $29. That rises to $35 in 2014.

2008-01-02 10:21:02
184.   Andrew Shimmin
My argument is just about the opposite of that. I'm saying the NCAA should embrace regionalism, and stop trying to make me care about the University of Georgia's football team. I know I'm not the target audience, but the number of people who can be gotten to care about Georgia, no matter how good it is, has got to be pretty small.

There are too many teams for a national system to really work. And relegation won't work, either, because nobody would tolerate USC's not playing Notre Dame and UCLA every year. So we should all just accept that we'll never know whether LSU is better than USC, and we should accept that it doesn't really matter whether they are--the same way we accept that we don't really know whether the Cubs are better than the (Ham) Fighters. We accept it because we don't really care. Embrace the indifference!

2008-01-02 10:23:14
185.   Eric Enders
Sheesh. I remember when it only cost $12 to park your car at Yankee Stadium. And that was like five years ago.
2008-01-02 10:25:37
186.   MC Safety
173 I think Darren McFadden is about as physical a runner as you will see. How did that turn out? Missouri couldnt beat Oklahoma, but they are still a good team.

The SC game was over after the first drive, I dont really care how many yards they compile if we win in that fashion. SC has the 4th best run defense in the country YPG wise at 79. What did 400 something yards do for Illinois?

Regarding Oklahoma, Pete Carroll made Bob Stoops look like a Pop Warner coach the last time those two teams met.

And yes, Ohio St. playing for the National Championship tells me the Big 10 is overrated. Go back and watch some tape of that Illinois v Ohio St. game and tell me that team should be playing LSU for the honor of being called the best team in the nation. It's laughable really.

2008-01-02 10:31:32
187.   fanerman
184 I bet you've just inspired someone to make a baseball ratings system to compare the Ham Fighters with the Cubs.
2008-01-02 10:32:34
188.   LogikReader
183

I guess you could get mad about that, but who'd drive a car to Yankee Stadium? I assumed most folks took the subway or the bus from nearby.

2008-01-02 10:33:54
189.   Bob Timmermann
184
The only people who like the old system are Andrew, I, and the Tournament of Roses Committee however.

I don't think we have a quorum for a cabal though.

2008-01-02 10:34:52
190.   Bob Timmermann
187
fanerman is on notice.
2008-01-02 10:35:08
191.   Humma Kavula
185 188 OK, after reading the thread, it turns out that the $29 figure comes from a consulting firm's figures on what the garage will need to charge in order to deliver NYC the subsidy that it was promised when it funded the new stadium. I suppose the garage could charge less and the Yankees could make up the subsidy with other money elsewhere.

End sarcasm.

2008-01-02 10:35:56
192.   old dodger fan
178 Best bowl game ever (at least for me)- 1966 Rose Bowl.

Here is a quick summary:
http://www.mmbolding.com/bowls/Rose_1966.htm

2008-01-02 10:38:53
193.   Jon Weisman
NPUT
2008-01-02 10:40:16
194.   Eric Enders
188 Yankee Stadium's about a two-hour subway ride if you live in, say, Jersey City. Shea would be more like three.
2008-01-02 10:41:31
195.   MC Safety
My Dad wears Quorum.

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