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No, it's not a dating story. Rather, it's a philosophical question. Is coverage of the likes of Britney Spears any more frivolous than coverage of the Dodgers?
From the Times (via L.A. Observed):
(California section editor David Lauter) also addressed concerns that The Times devotes too much time and attention to the Spears saga: "A great news organization ought to be able to do more than one thing at a time, and we do." He points to the coverage in the paper that same day: "As the reader noted, there's a war going on, and The Times' news report on that day -- as on virtually every day in the last four and a half years -- included a story from one of our staff writers in our Baghdad bureau. The day's news report also included two front-page stories on the presidential campaign, an analysis of the latest economic trends which may indicate a recession in the coming year and a major new study on the cancer risk from toxic air pollutants in Southern California. Inside the front section, in addition to the war and the presidential campaign, we had stories from Times staff writers in Kenya, France, Israel, Pakistan, Colombia, Peru and Washington and several stories by our science writers.
"On the local front, in addition to the story on toxic air pollutants, our staff writers produced 15 stories on a range of topics that included allegations of police corruption, a major conservation decision involving land preservation in the hills above Glendale, religion on college campuses and the year's first homicide in downtown LA. And then there was Britney. The odds are long against any one reader's being interested in each and every one of those stories. That's why a news organization, whether in print or online, needs to offer a broad range of stories. The goal is to hold a mirror up to daily life in all its splendid diversity. The passing circus is part of that life, particularly here in Southern California, where the whirl of celebrity is very much a part of the fabric. That circus is as much a legitimate subject for coverage as the Dodgers or the Lakers, which our Sports section covers routinely without anyone worrying that they contribute to the 'dumbing down' of America." (Emphasis mine.)
Readers of this site have seen me question my own devotion to writing about the Dodgers - in the midst of continuing to do it - so I couldn't help but find Lauter's comparison interesting.
As far as a major newspaper like the Times is concerned, my feeling is that if you've done what you need to do on the important issues of the day, there's no reason you shouldn't cover the human interest stories, however banal they might be - keeping in mind you should always bring an intelligent, thoughtful approach to any story, big or small.
The question becomes whether or not more important stories get lost in the shuffle. On the one hand, there is certainly more important work to be done in the Times on any given day than writing about the Dodgers or Britney. On the other hand, if you don't cover the Dodgers or Britney (or devote space to the comics, fashion, etc.), will most people bother to get your newspaper or go to your website and see any of your stories?
The only way to combat that mystery is to do exceptional work. I roll my eyes at some of the choices news organizations make, but in the end, what matters more is the quality of the writing and reporting. For the most part, you can't keep people from being interested in the frivolous. All you can do is try to make it worthwhile.
Clearly Jamie Lynn is LaRoche. He's the potentially better younger sibling of an established major leaguer, and if he doesn't get the lion's share of playing time at 3rd base, the Dodgers will do to LaRoche what was done to Jamie Lynn to get her in her current "situation". :)
*Hoping the smiley face doesn't get the comment deleted.
It's an honest question. Neither would surprise me, nor would the conclusion that the paper rarely takes an intelligent, thoughtful approach to either subject I suppose.
* What happens to the delegates who are pledge to a candidate who then drops out later in the race?
* What happens at a national convention when there are three candidates, each with 33% of the candidates, or, even worse, 10 candidates, each with 10% of the vote?
The answer to your second question is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brokered_convention
"LaRoche had almost as many walks as hits (20-21), lacking aggressiveness for a hitter that showed better Minor League power than Loney or Kemp"
Even Andy's greatest major league strength to date, his patience, is being held against him!
http://tinyurl.com/3bljjq
What I don't know is: is there a formal process by which a superdelegate pledges his vote in advance? If there is such a formal system, is he able to change his vote at the convention (to show unity or to put another candidate over the top)? Or is he unable to change his vote (at least on the first round of voting)?
I don't know the answers to these questions, but I'll try to find out.
In any event, in that article, Gurnick conveys the feeling that the 3B job might actually be LaRoche's to lose.
I've produced a "Passivity Rating" to identify the league's worst hitters, sorted from worst to best:
http://tinyurl.com/2fnuch
10 - Gurnick has joined Plaschke on my must-not-read list. Tony Jackson has been put on notice as well.
FIND OUT WHAT PERCENTAGE OF AMERICANS ARE FRIENDS WITH SOMEONE THEY CONSIDER TO BE A LOSER
"We wouldn't have put three reporters on a story just about her custody case -- which is sad, but similar to hundreds of others. What made this especially newsworthy is the role of paparazzi in L.A. -- it's big business here and it affects people; if you live in L.A., you see it. Also, this standoff represented something new in this relationship between celebrities and the celebrity press."
They got a name for the winners in the world, I want a name when I lose.
But is it that simple, really? I find it difficult to believe that anyone with even a passing familiarity with baseball would view walks as a negative for a batter. That would also mean they're a positive for pitchers, and yet I don't see Gurnick and his ilk campaigning for the Dodgers to go out and get pitchers who walk a lot of batters. In fact, Gurnick spent much of his most recent mailbag article complaining that Clayton Kershaw walks too many batters. So there is, on some basic level, a recognition that walks are good for hitters and bad for pitchers. He also has criticized Juan Pierre's lack of walks before:
http://tinyurl.com/yuasvv
I think in LaRoche's case, there are two factors at work:
1) He is looking for something to criticize about a player he already knows he doesn't like, and
2) The belief that walks are important for leadoff-type guys but not so much for power hitters.
I think some people think pitchers shouldn't walk anyone and batters should hit.
Under this view, walks are not "manly". They're for girlie-men.
I'm never going back to my old blog.
This is rad. My old School. Circa 1973
I was lucky to see Steely Dan a few years ago (supporting two against nature) and it was a great show. I didn't get into them until 1999. I feel stupid!
I have no problem with you being self-reflective in public but I do sometimes worry when you post so many "remember when" re-posts. The LA Times doesn't rerun many of their front page stories; I'd hate for this blog to become a Rolling Stones concert (lots of old hits and the occasional new tune).
.300/.632/.500/1.13 and 9 walks in that situation you asked about.
7 (including all 5 intentional walks).
Take away those 7 PA, and he still had 13 walks in 108 PA.
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Gurnick is constantly referring to LaRoche's "struggles" last season, which makes it hard to take his point of view about the kid seriously - I mean Andy had so few at bats, was barely in the majors at all, had back troubles, and showed both tremendous power in the minors and great plate discipline in his brief time in the majors. The fact that he begrudges him anything at all this time is a sign of progress I guess. Makes me root for LaRoche's success even more, just to be able to ask Gurnick about it down the road.
Walks do not occur in a vacuum at all; they come with the risk of striking out or being put at a disadvantage in the count. Walks do not advance runners multiple bases as singles can; they do not result in fielders' errors as singles sometimes can.
A walk is definitely not as good as a hit. Almost, but not quite.
The fact that Jon can come up with anything on a daily basis is something to behold because its hard to write interesting, intelligent pieces everyday, regardless of the topic.
And of all spors, baseball is built on its history. Unlike other sports, where you tend to focus only on the present, baseball has always been about the past, future and the present, each of those time periods ripe for discussion.
Trust me, there will be plenty to discuss as we get closer to spring training but I look forward to what Jon posts because it (along with the comments area) is what drives me here everyday.
Also, does anyone have a good source for MLE numbers? Is it through a premium subscription to Baseball Prospectus?
Here are LaRoche's raw minor league numbers (but I don't know what the MLEs are):
Age 20: .259/.326/.479 (A/A+)
Age 21: .305/.375/.553 (A+/AA)
Age 22: .315/.410/.514 (AA/AAA)
Age 23: .309/.399/.587 (AAA)
Donald Fagan looks appropriately terrified, though, like he's trying to bite the microphone before it bites him.
LaRoche sported a .374 OBP in his age 21 season (2005), not a .375, and a .589 SLG last season (not .587) Typing errors.
http://www.truebluela.com/story/2007/12/11/154835/99
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http://tinyurl.com/2gomdm
Thank you very much.
So, LaRoche's .309/.389/.589 in Vegas last season translates into a .269/.346/.505 in MLB.
Sign me up!
Thanks to you too.
The enitre True Blue LA team is coming through for me today!
If you're going to make an opportunity-cost argument to devalue singles, you can't do it without also analyzing the complex opportunity-cost equation involved in drawing a walk. Walks do not occur in a vacuum, not even close.
I think I see what you're saying now, but the way you originally stated it was very misleading. Looking at end results, "a walk is more valuable than a single" implies that you believe that, other things being equal, a player with 100 walks and 70 singles is more valuable than a player with 70 walks and 100 singles. This is, of course, ludicrous, and I'm glad that it is not in fact what you were trying to argue.
[covers ears]
La la la...not listening to you...la la la
I find Loney's 2007 AAA season and his 2007 major league season to be one of the great mysteries of my life. I would bet that it is even historical for a player to have 1 home run in 232 minor league at bats and then hit 15 in 344 major league at bats during the same season.
I remember Jim Edmunds having very little minor league power but he also had very little major league power until his age 25 season.
I was told by a bird that his turnaround happened when he stopped listening to advice from a crusty right handed hitting 2nd baseman on how to hit curveballs.
vr, Xei
If MLE was foolproof Joel Guzman would be destroying major league pitchers right now.
vr, Xei
Lance Niekro, anyone?
101 Would you hate me if I thought it would be a good idea to give him a minor league contract? He hits lefties decently.
Colletti isn't too excited about giving 140 mil to a pitcher.
Regarding Britney, my wife made some comment about the paparazzi and how they need to be restrained (I agree to some point), but I happened to notice a copy of US magazine on the kitchen counter with the Spears Sisters on the cover. I pointed to it and told my wife she is the problem for buying that thing off the newsstand.
You may not be into "wild, unfounded and senseless speculation", but these Brittany followers eat it up - the more photos, the better.
The elites in Los Angeles don't like it when the LA Times descends to celebrity gossip because they're afraid the same news standard will be applied to them or their friends and family when they screw up. They want to define news as a series of acceptable topics (sports is considered very acceptable). But I tend to think readers should be the judges of that. What distinguishes (or should distinguish) the LA Times from the National Enquirer is not merely the topics they will cover, but also the quality of the coverage.
The stories about Britney Spears are valid journalism on many grounds, and the LA Times shouldn't be apologizing for them. She is an economic engine all on her own. She is also a hero and role model to millions of kids. She is also a story about wealth, celebrity, drugs, sex, showing that no one is finally immune from the dangers of making wrong choices.
There is a tragic element to it, too. She's been so successful, she finally reached a point where she is so valuable to others, including her own family, that they are reluctant to see her as a human being. So there's no one she can trust. That's the part of the story of these "celebutards" that hits me emotionally. It's unclear how committed Lindsey Lohan's mother is to her sobriety, for example, if it means she can't accompany her daughter to high-fashion coke and Cristal parties. What fun is it to be Lindsey Lohan's mother if Lindsey Lohan decided to spend most of her nights reading Shakespeare and running on a treadmill?
I enjoyed Alex's mp3 of Gossage. I hope someday some of the same pop up for people like Kent and Bonds.
I like Goldstein, and in the past, even the recent past, I have expressed my share of concerns about Colletti's commitment to our prospects and to LaRoche specifically. But a point can be reached where justifiable fears cease being justifiable and turn into paranoia. Who knows what Colletti will do if a key starting pitcher goes down to injury after the season starts, but one has to be pretty uninformed about the Dodgers to not realize that the Dodgers' off-season has practically been all about improving without giving up ANY prospects, let alone an MLB-ready one with a high-ceiling like LaRoche. The Dodgers don't hate LaRoche, and we are not even close to being in the market for Blanton, or any other starting pitcher. These are, I think, indisputably facts, although it can be argued that the Dodgers have not accorded LaRoche as much trust as he deserves.
The "Colletti pulls wings off flies for giiggles" line at BP really needs to be given a rest, at least until Colletti actually does something stupid with our prospects, or Juan Pierre plays LF for the Dodgers everyday while Ethier sits on the bench. Colletti has made some mistakes and thankfully he seems to have learned from them. Since the end of the 2006 season, Colletti has traded away Travis Denker and NOBODY else from the Dodger farm, yet in the same time frame BP writers like Joe Sheehan have predicted Colletti imminently emptying the Dodger farm for trades. Some credit needs to be given where it is due.
You can be interested in frivolous topics without endorsing irresponsible means of getting that news.
It's a chicken-egg thing, but it's not the upskirt photo of Britney or Lindsay that drives the interest in her. The people who are interested in her would still be interested even if the press did its job responsibly. And the press could still feed that interest by doing that job responsibly.
Yes, competition is what leads some press to act irresponsibly, but in the end it's up to each individual press member to do what's right.
What do you expect will happen with Pierre-Ethier this year, Canuck?
My wife and I are driving around with our 7 week old and he begins to cry..So she starts to fumble with the CD player..we have a six disc changer..(she never messes with the radio or remote really)..as his cries grow louder she gets more frantic...She says out loud, "I think it's disc 2". She gets disc 2 loaded and the music begins to play and he shuts up immediately...she says, "oh yeah this is the song and cd that always gets him quiet, he loves it..it's worked 5 or 6 times"
The song/disc Radio Nowhere/Magic by the Boss!
Assist from Dodger Thoughts!
Look, one could trace the dumbing down of media coverage to the USA Today and now internet blurbs but we also have access to much more information but you have to sift through it.
Again, celebrity has driven news stories probably since newspapers were printed, so like Jon, I think it is up to the individual to be responsibility for how they go about presenting it.
I wouldn't be too worried about it yet.
And the other thing is that you don't hear it when other teams actually do trade their prospects. Again, I still think (this is my opinion) that some in the Baseball Prospectus camp was just so perturbed about how the McCourts handled the Depodesta situation and that Ned was described as an anti-Moneyball stat guy, that they are ready to deride any deals he makes and also predict Ned's dismantling of the farm system for proven vets.
As for Baseball America, they are in the business of grading drafts, minors but they really push their prospects list. So when teams actually play their prospects and they produce, its an affirmation of what they do. The Dodgers have had high grades but have been slow to promote and play them on a regular basis, hence some hesitation on their part in being confident that the MLB people will follow through and play the kids.
Via Diamond Leung, the Legend of Joe Beimel.
Now this is just me speculating, but I really think the Dodgers are trying to trade Pierre to the White Sox, and I don't think the White Sox are under any illusions that Swisher can be their CF. The White Sox want the Dodgers to pay a lot of Pierre's contract, at least $20 million of it, and the Dodgers don't want to do that. Each side is waiting for the other to cave, and we are going to go right up to spring training, or even the start of the regular season, with neither side caving before the Dodgers eventually do just that.
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I always look at actions more then words and I agree with both of you that it is irritating. On the other hand BA has a lot of interaction with the scouting community. Goldstein came from BA. It is very possible they are correct that Dodger management does not have faith in LaRoche for reasons we are unaware of. When they gave the 3rd base job to Abreu instead of LaRoche last May it seemed strange to give a younger player who had never played 3rd the opportunity over their top 3rd base prospect. The disk problem doesn't help any. I expected LaRoche to be playing for the Twins in 2008.
Ah, there's the rub - defining quality. How do you know quality when you see it, read it or hear it? Well, you just do.
It's your perspective that matters.
Personally, I get a kick out of watching Brit drive a $60,000 car with two flat tires, and then abandon it in the fast lane of the 405 Fwy. The disposable Mercedes - who knew there was such a thing!
I will happily lose that bet. If I'm going to be wrong about something I hope it is something I don't want to happen.
I like how confident you always are in your beliefs. Your final comment lines are always adamant, no grey lines, no doubt.
http://dodgers.scout.com/2/718478.html
How Reno may get a AAA franchise, and how that could affect the Dodgers in a sort of domino effect...
(Do I get bonus points for using a/effect properly? Or maybe I didn't.)
Does any one of these things prove anything? No. Do they all add up to the notion that Dodger management thinks somewhat less of LaRoche than prospect experts do? I think the answer is yes. (Which is not to say that they'll trade him for nothing; that's another ball of wax.)
Again, I'm talking about methods. Britney having a mental breakdown is news. People would read that story even if there was no image to illustrate it. People would look at the photo even if it were taken by a solitary Ansel Adams on a quiet winter's morning. It's not the existence of the photo that's problematic, it's what social and moral codes were broken in procuring it.
If I print salacious stories about Takashi Saito, and my page views increase, who's to blame when the next salacious story is printed. Morally, it's still my choice to do right or wrong. I'm the one ringing the bell. You're just the one listening to it. Certainly, if my page views didn't increase, I wouldn't have as much incentive to repeat the act. But that doesn't change that it all starts with me.
Yes, there is a demand, but it's not as if some demands don't get met.
128 -- I think it would be a mistake to look at Pierre and Owens through sabermeteric glasses if you are trying to assess whether Kenny Williams would want Pierre. The issue is what would Williams care about? Pierre is a PVL with a World Series ring who plays a 162 games a year and had about 30 points of batting average and 40 points of slugging percentage on Owens in 2007. I think Williams will take Pierre and what Pierre has to offer (even if what Pierre has to offer shouldn't be valued) over Owens if Pierre comes at about $4 million a year for four years, and without giving up any talent, but if the salary is higher than that, or the Dodgers want real talent in exchange, then Williams will stick with Owens.
Everything you say is true except that Nomar was not sucking wind after the all-star break.
If he gets 3,000 hits, it will be the Best Thing Ever. And by "best," I mean "weirdest."
157 Wow. Pierre is almost halfway there at 1440. If he keeps his consecutive games "streak" going, stays at the top of the order, and plays til he's in his late 30's, he might get there.
What if I told you Takashi Saito was dating Alyssa Milano. Is that something you would be interested in?
Kenny Lofton at age 39 has 2400 hits and Pierre will not be playing by the time he's 35. I'm Canuck confident.
I am a bad, bad person.
You're talking about breaking social and moral codes, but if we, as a society, deem the viewing of scandalous photos to be more important than the right to privacy, then that is our new social and moral code, right?
Yeah the chances are slim, but as a baseball fan, I'd LOVE to see him get there... as a White Sox. Or any other team that's not the Dodgers.
There's another reason to trade him. As a Dodger, he may have to split time with Ethier. He needs to play every day! Cooperstown hangs in the balance!
My bet with BH came during a basketball game.
But if some people are unhappy with the process, the place to deal with it is at the initial stage, not the end stage.
The public is interested in Britney. The public is not demanding that the media bully Britney. There are plenty of ways to feed the interest in Britney without crossing the line.
And given that there are always going to be some people who want things regardless of how they are delivered, the best hope for change is at the source.
Pierre: 1,440 hits
Coleman: 1,008 hits
Lofton: 883 hits
Moreno: 915 hits
Rivers: 982 hits
Juan needs everything to go right for him, but he certainly has a chance to get there.
Perhaps the optimist in me has read too much in this comment, but the Dodgers did in fact already discuss with Pierre, in October (two months earlier), that they might sign a centerfielder like Andruw. Which would mean the "plans" Pierre spoke of couldn't have possibly simply been signing a centerfielder.
I think the "plans" Pierre referred to involved him playing something significantly less than 162 games, and that's what he wished he knew earlier. But, again, I'm probably reading way too much into one comment.
Shoot, I didn't know gambling was one of the rules!
Haha, nice.
I don't have any doubt that Juan Pierre thinks playing 162 games helps the Dodgers, and frankly he should think that.
It's up to management (Torre, Colletti) to decide which players (a) are with the big club, and (b) play.
Tony Gwynn: 1354
Derek Jeter: 1546
Juan Pierre: 1440
I think "earlier" means before he signed a contract to be the CF for the Dodgers.
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Sure, those names were pulled off my head.
Here is a list of players with at least 300 stolen bases by hits. You seem to think he is going to continue to get 200 hits a season. I think it is more likely he never gets 200 hits again. I don't think he will even get to 2500 hits. The general consensus is that he will not be a full time player by the time his current contract is up.
http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/GxGA
Now I feel like a 6 year old who just made his parent laugh by banging his head against a wall.
...And then it donned on me, are you simultaneously making a great joke and throwing out an Entourage reference?? If this is the case, kudos to you!
Pierre's most similar player by age is Willie Wilson, who had 1287 hits by age 29.
What did he do after age 29? Two more years of that level of performance, then a "down year," then immediately became a part-time player, finishing up with 2200 hits.
This is why Juan is not a lock for 3,000 hits -- far from it. The likeliest thing to happen is that he'll have a williewilsonish finish to his career.
But there is certainly a chance that his finish will be kennyloftonish. Pierre doesn't need 200 hits a year. If he can get 800 hits or so over the next 5 years and avoid serious injury -- two huge ifs -- he's sitting on 2250 hits after age 34. Hang on for six years at 125 hits a year and he's there. Of course, he would also need a major league GM to give him a job once his hits fall below 180/year or so, but that's why the good lord has given us the White Sox.
Is this whole scenario likely? Of course not. COULD it happen? Absolutely. I'd put it at about a one-in-three shot.
I messed up the quote. Here is the quote from Colletti on December 12:
--"The main thing he got across to me is that he wished he had more of an inkling to our thought process," Colletti said of Pierre. "He said he just wished he knew a month ago. I didn't know. Who knew?"--
(emphasis mine)
http://tinyurl.com/358m5o
But Pierre did know of the club's plans to move positions as early as October:
--After the season finale, Pierre was asked if he was open to moving to left field and didn't sound thrilled with the idea.
"We'll cross that bridge when we come to it," he said. "I don't know."
Asked if he would be more willing to move if he was making room for a Gold Glove center fielder like Andruw Jones, he said:
"We'll see. He's probably the best center fielder in the game. I'm not to his caliber."--
http://tinyurl.com/2nl7uu
So my thinking is that Pierre wishes he knew of the new plans, which involve him playing much less than everyday.
Right now the Heat are in a dogfight with the Clippers for a high draft pick. The Lakers are in a dogfight for the Pacific Coast lead. The winds change quickly. Phil Jackson is coaching the heck out of this team.
I'm off to watch the Clips get manhandled by Dwight Howard. Woo Hoo
I would also assume that Bynum is at least partially responsible for other teams' poor shooting.
I will say that Bynum is looking better than I expected. I never thought he was going to be a player that was in an All-Star Game (unless it was a down year for centers). Well, if he continues on this path then he will definitely see some All-Star Games.
Fisher has been better than I expected. Getting Ariza, as I said, was the greatest trade Mitch has ever made. The young guys are getting better and everyone is getting more used to the Triangle.
Still do not trust Jim, but things are going well so no reason to complain. I just realized I sound like Kobe.
I tend to think both parties are to blame. The consumers for eating it up, and the media for acting so immorally. We don't have to pick just one of them to be doing the wrong thing.
For the Dodgers, LA version, I would probably go with one of Koufax's seasons with a possible asterisked 2003 season for Eric Gagne being up there too.
For Koufax, 1965 seems like a good one, 382 Ks, perfect game, won Game 7 in the World Series.
As far as a regular player, maybe one of Piazza's years, I guess Maury Wills had a great year in 1962 but I think Piazza was probably better.
As far as the ESPN.com debate, Wilt's 50 point average is pretty hard to beat, Marino, "the Great One", Oscar Robertson's triple double season, and Ruth's 1920-1921 seasons also should be considered.
And one more thing, should the team's success be part of the equation?
I like the Koufax season, those are very impressive numbers. I'm too young to have ever seen Koufax, but I don't think Piazza would compare to him. The 03' Gagne season was dominate, I have to admit I was saddened to see him name in the M.R.
My point is that all things are rarely equal, in reality a player with more walks than singles in a season usually has an excellent season.
Singles are absolutely more valuable than walks. I can triumphantly state this because a single with men on second and third and two out will score at least one run, but a walk will only load the bases.
This is one situation, clearly much of the value for singles comes from RISP situations, but the two or three other times the batter popped out or GIDP instead of blooping one into the outfield balance out the stat sheet.
My original statement didn't state it clearly enough, so here goes: OPS is usually directly correlated with the ratio of walks to singles (As BB/1B goes up, so does OPS). I haven't crunched the numbers, but I believe this to be true.
Pitchers will "pitch around" those with high SLG (B*nds), and "pitch to" those with low SLG (even with high BA, i.e. our favorite 4th OFer), where worst case scenario is a base hit vs an extra base hit.
On the premise of better late than never, well, going back to that thread on the '74 team, I went to that doubleheader in Cincy that you had tickets for but missed. You should have went. It was a split but Mike Marshall set the record that day for most consecutive appearances by a pitcher. Was otherwise at the game with step-grandpa, from Columbus, where dad lived, and so I was in Reds country for my summer visitation with dad.
Let's try a little thought experiment. Let's imagine a hypothetical player in September. This player has the following stats:
500 AB, 150 H (90 1B, 40 2B, 20 HR), 50 BB.
From this we can calculate 550PA, 250 TB, 200 H+BB, which give us:
.300/.364/.500/.864
Now, to compare the effect of singles vs. walks on OPS, let's give him 10 PA, in which he gets either 10 1Bs OR 10 BBs.
If he gets 10 1Bs, his stats become:
.314/.375/.510/.885
If he gets 10 BBs, his stats become:
.300/.375/.500/.875
So his OPS goes up more with the extra singles than with the extra walks. Furthermore, the BB/1B ratio goes up in the second case, but down in the first! So it's not just the walks and singles in the BB/1B ratio that are driving OPS. To the extent that there is a correlation between BB/1B ratio and OPS, it probably has a lot less to do with BBs and 1Bs than it does with other factors - e.g. a player with more XBH draws more walks, and it's very probable that it's the XBHs replacing singles and increasing walks that causes the BB/1B ratio to change, while the change in OPS is driven not only by the OBP form the walks, but also from the extra SLG.
So to sum up, I don't think there's a real case to be made that walks are better than singles. I think the real case to be made is that high BB/1B ratios are just an epiphenomenon of having a big bat.
As for the LAT's participation in this circus its the web's fault. I am famous at work for bad analogies so I'll make one here. The LAT's participation is like steroids in baseball. The paper has to compromise its ethics to compete with other outlets that have compromised. With TMZ and that Hilton guy telling us in real time every time Brit changes her sunglasses, Times has no choice but to lower its standards to compete. Just my take.
http://wiki.theppn.org/Shimmin
But as I said, I agree with you that he's playing very well, and better than could have been expected.
Jon is arguing, like Rousseau, that they should be better people. I would argue, like Hobbes, or Madison, that men aren't angels, so if you want them to behave better, you have to build institutions that change their incentives. One such institution is the market, but that's obviously not working. The only other, however, would entail regulation of the media - a violation of the freedom of the press.
Now, their freedoms aren't absolute, and courts occasionally nail them for slander, or assault, or trespassing, but to effectively end the job category of paparazzo, we'd have to either suck them dry through an unlikely consumer boycott or else be willing to trade away certain freedoms we hold dear.
It's an unfortunate, extreme consequence of the 1st amendment. I don't like it either, but I think that's the institutional tradeoff. Jon's plea is for men to act more like angels. I like the sentiment, but I'm not optimistic.
Stan Chambers?
218 I will take mistaken kudos anytime, has Red Mango yogurt opened up yet on Pico (across from Westside Pavillion)?
I've seen it so many times with food manufacturers. They don't want to squeeze their employees and their suppliers, but they have to in order to supply Wal-Mart, or else they'll go elsewhere. Then the other supermarket chains have to squeeze them as well because they are losing market share to Wal-Mart. It is all because the consumer demands the lowest prices and generally doesn't care how they get them.
My Cincy fan roomate who went really enjoyed it. I never did make it to a game in Cincy despite living just south of Louisville for the whole '74 season.
It was a great year to be a Dodger fan in Cincy territory.
According to Win Shares, Mike Piazza's 1997 was the best season by any Dodger in the last 50 years (39 Win Shares). He has a 3 point margin over the next best season which is quite large when viewed in the context that every other number goes in sequence.
Meaning that he has 39. The next number is 36 and then it goes in order from there.
As Bob has said many times, Mike was robbed of his MVP in 1997.
I myself would take Sandy's 1965 season when you consider what he did in the World Series. Always something special about pitching a complete game shutout game 7 with your 3rd start in a 7 game series on two days rest.
I want Ethier to play over Pierre, but I suppose my question is that if all else is equal, how much is Pierre expected to hurt the Dodgers in 2008? I don't know, but my guess is that the difference between Ethier and Pierre is less than the difference between Nomar and LaRoche (performing the same analysis).
Or, how good does Abreu have to be in Spring Training to wind up starting at third over LaRoche and Nomar?
If the ESPN covered the NHL even less, then they would have to go back in time and erase the presence of Barry Melrose from people's memories. The NHL, since it is not carried by ESPN, doesn't matter to ESPN.
But Arena Football? That's important!
Again, there is nothing inherently wrong with covering the Britney Spears story, any more than there is with covering the Dodgers.
Griffey / Peirre
Morgan / Loney
Bench / Jones
Perez / Kent
Foster / Kemp
Geronamo / Martin
Concepcion / Garciaparra
At least the Reds' starting rotation was weak.
This discussion about how two walks equals a single according to OPS illustrates why OPS isn't anything but a quick and dirty way to evaluate a player.
No, I'm not. I'm much more pessimistic than that. I realize that there aren't enough angels to go around on either side of the equation. So the only practical solution is government-enforced restraint of trade, which wouldn't pass constitutional muster. IOW, paparazzi (in their current form until they can come up with even more obnoxious versions of themselves) are here to stay. My only coping mechanism is to ignore it and hope that I'm never on the road when they're chasing down another victim.
Think of a season's plate appearances as a opportunities. Most of these opportunities result in outs in play; BABIP shows that for the very best hitters 65% of balls in play are outs. That means that every hit comes with at least two outs, not to mention strike outs and GIDP. When a player hits a single (worth .474 runs according to my linear weights numbers) and then makes two outs (costing -.299 runs each) his total contribution is -.124. A walk meanwhile, is worth .33 runs and it is dicier to say which outs go with walks.
All situations are not the same obviously, a single with runners on 2nd and 3rd with two outs is worth 1.46 runs while a walk there is only worth .22 runs. In general though, I believe singles are worth less than walks and this will show up in OBP where each walk (or a HBP) has an effect about [(1-AVG)/AVG] times as great on OBP as each hit. Think about it, 100 walks essentially guarantees a good OBP, but even Juan Pierre can get 200 hits.
http://www.tangotiger.net/RE9902event.html
There's actually a 3rd alternative to fixing the reporters or the consumers, namely fixing the objects of their obsession, the stars. But the whole point of being a star is the adulation. Some Hollywood or sport stars have managed to lead very private lives, and just let their work do the talking, by making themselves too uninteresting or too inaccessible to bother. But most in those fields are not wired that way.
(Pearson method, scale of -1 to +1 from imperfect to perfect correlation, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson%27s_correlation_coefficient)
OK, this is the crux of the disagreement. But it's not an assumption - it's a hypothesis that comes from the theory of market competition. If nefarious methods "work better," to get the more salacious picture, or to get the ordinary picture first, then they will not be eschewed without legal constraints.
What we really have here, though, is more like an arms race. It's not that US can get a better or quicker pic than the Enquirer by behaving more badly - it's that US won't sell without the Brit pic of the week, so their guy has to be standing next to the Enquirer's guy at every opportunity. And what we get is not necessarily bad behavior by any individual paparazzo, but collectively bad behavior by the mob of them. It's the "being mobbed" part that is so unseemly so much of the time.
I remember having the same thought during the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal. Why in the world did there have to be 100 reporters taking the same picture of Monica leaving her apartment, or even the courthouse? Couldn't there have been an arrangement for one pool reporter to share his/her pics with everyone? The answer is no, because that's a restraint of trade and of press freedom. The only time that sort of thing can happen is when the military is involved, and the authorities can make the argument that the mob itself would pose a security risk.
I don't think anyone expects the problem to be eliminated. My argument is only that a decision of conscience by a person in power will have more impact than yours. And there's a misunderstanding that you have to be a bully to fulfill the public's demands. You don't.
However, in response to 243 I don't think that we should look at that hypothetical I posed in 211 as suggesting a guy would get ten hits or walks in a row - I'm just adding those stats to a "baseline" player to see what happens to OPS. Which, in the end, was just a concrete demonstration of the principle, stated by others, that a single is worth about two walks in OPS.
I'm still trying to get at the heart of what you're saying, Benaiah, but it seems that you're suggesting that a player trying to get a hit (by swinging away) will also necessarily record about two outs (on balls in play or Ks) per hit, while a player trying to walk will record an unknown number of outs (all of which would have to be Ks, I guess).
Thus, while it is clear that the outcome of a single is better than a walk (for example, from the run expectancy tables), you're arguing that the strategy of drawing a walk is better than the strategy of swinging away, because it is (possibly, unverified) more likely to succeed. Is that what you're getting at?
So you'd have to change incentives, or change human nature.
ASU was 1-24 against Arizona in its last 25 games and is 3-0 in conference for the third time since it joined in 1978-79.
Publication X: Newsstand cover of a classy Brittany shot in a studio, well-lit, flattering, etc. Details on Brittany's latest CD inside.
Pub Y: Newsstand cover of a tied-down writhing Brittany being carried away, with "details inside."
Pub X will unfortunately lose this battle on the newsstand (same would apply to TV), and either parish, or have to change their ways to appeal to the consumer demand.
If the choice is to appease the consumer or parish, the end result doesn't matter, you'll only be left with pubs that feature the shots that have that "wow" factor that engage the consumer, and get them to buy your magazine.
One can't blame the media for appealing to the consumer's demand; that's their goal, no? One can only blame the consumer for demanding what they demand. It's idealistic to think consumers in total will do the "right" and "proper" thing.
Tampa Bay Devil Rays Top 20 Prospects for 2008
By John Sickels
Evan Longoria, 3B, Grade A
David Price, LHP, Grade A
Jacob McGee, LHP, Grade A
Wade Davis, RHP, Grade B+
Reid Brignac, SS, Grade B+
Jeremy Hellickson, RHP, Grade B+
Desmond Jennings, OF, Grade B+
Jeff Niemann, RHP, Grade B
Eduardo Morlan, RHP, Grade B
John Jaso, C, Grade B
"This is one hell of a conglomeration of talent."
265 Kershaw and LaRoche. LaRoche might have been an A-.
http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/jan/10/pulley-power/
So, how do we organize as a consumer to get McCourt to lower the price of parking? Mass carpooling into the stadium?
In terms of the magazines or publications, do the vendors have any responsibility? I love the fact that Trader Joe's does not have that stuff sitting at the checkout area (but that just may be a space issue)
I think the Tampa story will be the most compelling in baseball as we see if this influx of youth will be enough to offset the financial muscle of Boston and NY. By 2010 they should collide. Can't wait for the ending.
But I'm tired of saying the same thing over again, so thankfully, I have a new post up top.
If there were only, say, 3 tabloids (like there were once just three TV News options, and that was a government-sponsored and regulated cartel), then one might hope that they could trade on reputations of professionalism, basically a repeated game in which the short-term payoff for acting unethically would not be worth the long-term costs. But in a free market with, really, an infinite number of producers (with YouTube, anyone can be a paparazzo!) the future is discounted much more heavily. Look at how hard it is for the networks and the most reputable papers to stay high-brow. High-brow is now a niche, aimed at a much smaller subset of consumers who value quality most of all - it's no longer the mainstream.
So I guess my argument is that with deregulation, the 1st amendment, and the democratization of technology (cell phone cameras), this was inevitable. Regrettable, but inevitable.
Anyway, I wish I had time to discuss this, but I'm at work (for instance, I started writing this comment an hour ago!)
So is the argument "technology is the downfall of ethics"? If it is, you're absolutely right.
Without cell phones, Michael Richards doesn't get exposed (although here the technology worked in ethics' favor)
Without cable tv, Fox News is merely a bbs board.
Without the internet, well... without the internet we wouldn't have Dodger Thoughts.
My first sentence can't be quite true.
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