In the comments section of an earlier entry where Ned's comment on Martin's contract came up in the discussion, bhsportsguy speculated that Martin and his agent "want to wait until next year when he is a Super Two and can submit a number for arbitration", which makes some sense to me. Of course they are risking that Martin has on off-year or something in '08, but perhaps they have more leverage when arbitration is an option.

Ryan Howard last season got a record salary for someone with less than 2 years service time, receiving $900k after accumulating 1 year, 145 days. And this was after winning an MVP.

If this Shields article is correct -- http://tinyurl.com/3569yr -- than Shields' salary next season, with 1 year, 125 days service time, will be $1 million. I find that hard to believe.

Total breakdown not quite available, but it looks like this so far:

2008 - $1m (2nd year)
2009 - 2011 - $9.25m total (3rd year, 1st two arb years)
2012 - $7m option (final arb year)
2013 - $9m option (1st FA year)
2014 - $12m option (2nd FA year)

There is a $2m buyout mentioned as well, but I'm not sure if that applies to only the first option year or all.

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Also, if Martin puts up another season anywhere close to 2007 his contract demands will be justifiably higher.

Wasn't Shields a high school pal of one of the posters here? Can't remember who.

What kind of agent refuses to even listen to an offer? I guess it could happen, but it doesn't sound right.

5 The quote from dodgers.com is:
Thanatos: When will you sign Russell Martin to a long-term deal?

Colletti: We explored this possibility early in the offseason and the agent declined.

Read into it what you will, but I tend to take "explored" to mean a little more than one phone call. On the other hand, I'm not always sure what words are supposed to mean when Colletti speaks them.

Martin's a bit different because of his pending Super Two status (meaning he will get 4 years of arbitration), but to get an idea of the difference in sticker price between signing now and signing later, let's look at Brian McCann and Joe Mauer and their final three arb years.

McCann
-Signed with under two years of service time (essentially where Martin is now)
-Total cost of years 4-6 (arb years 1-3): $15.5m

Mauer
-Signed with three years of service time
-Total cost of years 4-6 (arb years 1-3): $20.5m

That's a $5m difference for those 3 years. If Martin signed next offseason, I would imagine that's about the difference it would cost the Dodgers rather than him signing now. (He'd be signing a year ahead of Mauer, but will have a 4th arb year to make up the difference)

Funny, but in this sort of CYA context, I take "explored" to mean exactly one phone call.

By "explored", I like to think Colletti offered Martin the same 25-year / $25m contract that Magic Johnson signed in the early 80s.

Whether it's one phone call or six spam e-mails, I give Colletti due credit for trying.

9 - Maybe it was the Steve Young-L.A. Express deal instead.

10 "Whether it's one phone call or six spam e-mails"

To the esteemed Mr. Russell Martin,
In brief introduction, I am Crown Prince Ned Colletti, a citizen of Nigeria, and the Eldest son of the late Chief Brian Sabean. I have a business proposition which may interest you..."

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Good one...

Jon,

If we order a DT shirt, I vote that we be able to put our number and position on there somewhere. It will look cool at the DT game (though it might make us look like dorks to outsiders).

I'll be wearing my Billingsley jersey to the next DT Day. If it's cold enough, I'll have the long sleeve DT shirt on underneath.

15 I want a Bills jersey, but can't decide if it should be home or road.

14 I put together a trip to a Dodger game for a message board I used to frequent. I brought some friends who were not members of the board and much more casual fans then those they were surrounded by. My friends used some adjectives to describe me and the other members; dork being the mildest of the lot. I took it as a complement. I learned at a very young age you have to embrace your dorkdom.

12 - My coworkers are now wondering what's so funny...

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I know that this is probably because I have trouble spending more than 100 bucks on a jersey, but I am always partial to a Spring Training jersey.

Koufax #32 is my choice...

14 Dork might be a nice way to put it.

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My Billingsley is a road jersey, but only because I already own a home jersey (blank with no name or number).

Young players accept "buyouts" of their arbitration years if they are thinking more about security than the superior financial reward if they continue to perform at a high level year in and year out. They are almost betting against themselves, in a sense. I think Martin and his agent are confident that Martin is just going to get better, that 2007 is by no means "as good as it gets." Foolish or wise? I'm thinking wise.

14 - It'll make the cost prohibitive.

Almost nobody wore their DT shirt to the DT outing I'm guessing mainly because of the dork factor.

Since it was the Agent that past, it looks clear that Colletti would be happy to sign Martin to a long term contract. Of course who could blame him? I hope that means we can expected it to happen. I guess they're waiting for the time to come when he can really ask for alot. When Russell will be more of a proven player, than he is now.

I miss the "Dodgers" script on the road jersey. Those were cool.

24 That was my reason. I've worn my DT shirt to other games, but all of us in DT shirts like following Jon like ducklings to our seats - or McCourt's conference room - would have definitely been dorky.

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Ah, well.

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In real life, I am not all that much of a nerd/dork at all, but when it comes to the Dodgers and this site, I tend to embrace my inner dork...

c'est la vie...

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I suppose anything we can do to prevent becoming one of Jim Rome's Clones is a step in the right direction.

26 I like "Los Angeles" better myself. Reminds me of Sandy Koufax.

24 - Well, I actually kind of told some people not to because of that, so that didn't help. But next time around, I'll let people embrace the dorkiness if they want.

26 - I like the Los Angeles.

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That was awesome.

"following Jon like ducklings to our seats - or McCourt's conference room"

I was thinking more along the lines of a Pied Piper analogy, but that one works too.

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That's a good point. Martin is likely to make $500k or so this season, but that's nothing to retire on. For a lot of young players, especially those that didn't get a huge draft signing bonus, this first contract will set them for life if they are smart about it.

I don't blame Martin one bit for waiting at least one more year to inflate his contract. It will likely add at least $3-5 million to the total deal.

I like "Los Angeles" as well. I'm a big fan of the team name at home, city name on the road uniform philosophy.

What do people think of the 2007 uniforms not having the white piping around letters and numbers, and the fact that the numbers and letters weren't -- I don't know the technical term -- "on top" of the shirt, sort of attached to the shirt, and instead were like they were part of the fabric of the shirt? I suppose that was meant to look more old fashioned.

28 You could still customize your own shirt. The name "CajunDodger" has a built-in coolness factor, for true! Not like mine, which is dorky from the start.

Major league cities that do not currently appear on road uniforms:

Baltimore
Minneapolis*
Anaheim
St. Petersburg*
Arlington*
Denver*
Miami*
Milwaukee
Philadelphia
St. Louis

(* - Geographic designation appears, but city does not.)

So the only five teams that use their nickname on their road jersey are the Orioles, Angels, Brewers, Phillies, and Cardinals.

"Not like mine, which is dorky from the start."

Unless you start making up stories about why people call you "El Lay."

36 I was a fan of the white borders (and, for that matter, the blue piping which was also removed), but I don't think they look too awful without it or anything.

Snow near the top of the Grapevine.
http://www.frazmtn.com/fpschool/fpschoolcam/latestpic.jpg

vr, Xei

12 was indeed a gem. I think "Crown Prince" ought to replace "Flanders" as Colletti's unofficial nom de guerre.

If Jon has access to Photoshop or gave the logo to someone who does, they could easily put someone's name on the back of a shirt. It's easy if you use something like Cafepress or one of the other shirt companies. Their shirts may or may not be more expensive than what you use now, but it's pretty easy to set something up like that. They take care of all the shipping too. vr, Xei

36 To me, the numbers look like iron-ons. Regardless of how much work actually goes into getting the number on, it just looks cheap.

Putting "Los Angeles" on the road jerseys was the soly, solitary improvement to the franchise that occured during the Fox years.

45 sole

Damn, I hate stupid-looking typos.

39 I'm the new advertising character for a certain brand of corn chip?

Isn't it dorky if I tell those stories myself?

I'm with 44 . The white trim makes the lettering/numbering look finished. Without it, they're like a window or door without casings, functional, but lacking style.

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I would bask in my #44 CajunDodger jersey and my inherent dorkiness therein.

This thread has "dork" in it more times than in any other one I can remember...

I'm going to get a jersey that says "El Minotauro"

Everyone will look at my funny except the cool kids.

Martin shouldn't take a Granderson style buy-out, but I'd think there could be some middle ground. Like ten years, five hundred million dollars. That's what I'd open with. Then it could scale up to twelve years, eight hundred million. With a couple hundred million in incentives. And a mutual option on each of the next four seasons.

The Minotaur works as well.

Maybe a McDizzle one.

After more than 20 years of wanting to make the pilgrimage to Dodgertown, I'm finally gonna make it happen this year. I just booked my flight for the first weekend in March. Gonna catch the home-and-home with the Mets on Mar. 1-2, and the Orioles on Mar. 3.

I'd love to hear from anyone who's made the journey... Anybody have suggestions on where to stay? Eat? What to do when the game's over? The best place to spot wildlife, like bison and minotaurs?

51 Why not just offer him part ownership of the team? I suppose that would be against the union contract, wouldn't it?

At the 1st DT outing I was the only one to bring Jon's book and thus may have the only signed copy of BODT. Other then Lee Lacy it is the only time I've asked for something to be signed. At this point it seems that it will not be worth much at the LA Antiques Roadshow in 2050 but you never know. At the 2nd I may have been the only one to wear the DT shirt which I think makes me a chartered member of the Dodger Thoughts Dork Tribe. Jon has yet to embrace his Dodger Thought Nation. I think next time we need to bring our better halves ala El Lay Dave which would alleviate some of the dork factor. Also it would show them that the people we converse with are no crazier then their companion. That may or may not bring them any comfort.

As we see all the other young catchers signed to long term contracts for their own security, I have to ask: what is the injury rate on catchers? It would seem to me (but I don't have any statistics to support me) that that's one of those positions where you take the security if you can get it. Not to be pessimistic here about Martin longterm, but rather trying to explain why the other catchers seem to be signing these early contracts.

50- A "Crazy Eyes" jersey would be sickiwidit....

I saw a guy at a Dodgers V Pads game at PETCO wearing an authentic Darryl Strawberry Dodgers Jersey....now that's cool...

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You jest, but I wonder if there will be a billion dollar player in our lifetime. I predict it will happen by 2025 or so.

53 In Vero you basically have only three options -- 1) Dodgertown resort, which will cost you your firstborn, 2) A couple of McHotels like Hampton Inn, or 3) B&B's.

I stayed at this place...
http://www.seaturtleinn.net/
...last year, which I found to be fairly nice and reasonably priced. It's in the "beach" part of Vero Beach, a 20-minute drive away from Dodgertown, which is further inland.

I'd definitely hit up the Everglades, which is a doable day trip from Vero. Hike the Anhinga Trail there, which is a boardwalk through a small marsh that will get you within 2 or 3 feet of alligators.

After the games the announcers and team officials sometimes hang out at Bobby's, a bar-restaurant on Ocean Drive.

54- But it's not against the rules to give him enough money to buy the team. Russell Martin should be a Dodger forever. When he dies, his firstborn son should take over as titular head of the team, but Russell the First should remain owner. Like Kim Il Sung, except Martin actually is G-d.

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The closest situation to Martin would be Joe Mauer and Victor Martinez. I do not know offhand their contract details, but I would expect Martin to do at least as well as either of those two plus 10% if he can just duplicate what he did last year.

"his firstborn son should take over as titular head of the team, but Russell the First should remain owner. Like Kim Il Sung."

Or, you know, Steinbrenner.

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Throw Angelos in there too...

55 - I believe Suffering Bruin, Stan from Tacoma and Ross Porter also have autographed copies of TBODT. But I fully intend for them to be worth something in 2050. I'll be 83 then and I'll need the money to buy my spacedogs.

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The best Martin comps are Victor Martinez and Brian McCann, who both signed their contracts with roughly the same service time as Martin has now. Mauer signed his after 3 full seasons, and got a more lucrative deal.

I'd be happy to autograph anyone's copy of BODT

By opening day, I guess I'll be happy to know Martin may eventually be available to my new team, or at least a major limiting factor to the Dodgers' future payroll. But still. If he ever leaves, it'll be wrong in a fundamental way.

Me & TC wore ours & I'm sure we didn't look like dorks (or did we...)

I wore my DT shirt to the unofficial NorCal Dodger Thoughts meet. I don't think anybody would have recognized me if I didn't.

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Couldn't they just look for the guy carrying his TiVo around...?

70 I also carry Mexican Coke with me wherever I go. But, without the DT short, I could have been any Joe Schmo at the stadium carrying a TiVo and Mexican Coke.

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If someone had no idea of the conversation, that second sentence might be the weirdest ever put to print...

I wore my DT shirt to the UCLA-USC game last weekend and was on the scoreboard directly behind Michael Warren when they showed him. Anyone spot me?

59 Great info, thanks! I don't suppose you know where the players hang out after games?

41 I remember when I thought snow at the Grapevine was cool, and I remember wishing fervently for snow to fall in OC while I was growing up. Now I get snow several times a week, but I still run to the window to take a look every time it happens.

68 If we all had, we all would have, but we all didn't, so you didn't.

I'm wearing my white long sleeve DT shirt right now as I watch the rain finally start to fall in Altadena.

75 My Norwegian student was quite amused by our excitement when we could see snow had dusted the top of the hills in the north San Fernando Valley (Oat Mountain). I had to explain that it didn't happen every winter.

Speaking of the DT shirt and it's importance in life, when can a recent convert expect to see one on sale again, Jon?

I wore my white long sleeve DT shirt to the Deutsches Museum and the Alte Pinahotek in Munich.
But I was wearing a sweater over it so nobody knew.

73 Not me, and I was there, though I did not have as good as seats as you.

I wore mine to DT day but it was covered by a jersey.

79 - I am determined to open the store up again before Spring Training.

78 I saw snow fall for the first time in my life last week on a business trip to Denver. I also got to hike in the snow, which was quite fun.

I also was hoping to get a picture of my rental car covered with 2 inches of snow on all sides, but when I got up one morning, I found it mysteriously cleaned off. Is there some fancy contraption that automatically does this to vehicles in the morning? And cheap enough to be considered a "hotel amenity"? I'm quite sure it snowed the previous night.

83 The sun is free.

83 How much Mexican Coke did you have the night before?

84 It was still below freezing in the morning. There was plenty of snow lying around lawns and roofs and such. I think....

82 - haha, that'll make me pay more attention to the counter on the Dodgers website.

Currently at - 22 days 16 hr 24 min 17 sec

http://tinyurl.com/35dapr

Dodgers had highest NL payroll last year.

The Dodger games in Beijing March 15-16 are scheduled for 1300 local time each day, if I read the press release correctly.

Dodgers are the home team March 15 and the away team March 16.

Tulowitzki deal is done:

2008 - $750k
2009 - $750k
2010 - $3.5m (1st arb year)
2011 - $5.5m (2nd arb year)
2012 - $8.5m (3rd arb year)
2013 - $10m (1st FA year)
2014 - $15m option; $2m buyout (2nd FA year)
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Total: 6yrs / $31m

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For those not converting time at home, the games will start at 10 pm PT on March 14 and 15.

ESPN SportsNation poll, latest tally:

"Which young catcher is better?
Joe Mauer --- 76.3%
Russell Martin -- 23.6%

Well, whatever!

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Midwestern bias!

89. Will the Dodger/Padre games in Beijing be televised live/locally? vr, Xei

Joe Mauer is 6'5 & I've heard the Twins will move him as soon as he "out grows" the pisition, 6'5 HALLO!

94 Darn tootin'! Midwest bias + East Coast lack of awareness of Martin's existence. Well, hard to argue against Joe Mauer, too.

Hey did anyone see that two of the Arizona Winter League (AWL) teams will be coached by ex-Dodgers - Steve Yeager, and Mike Marshall (not sure which Marshall)...

I'm sure Mauer is a good defender but at 6'5 you KNOW Martin's OVERALL D is far more superior then Mauers, to Mauer's credit he did gun down 44% of would be base steelers so he dose have that going for him.

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It will be General Soreness Mike Marshall doing the managing. Cy Young Mike Marshall would never be allowed to manage a team of young players by the Powers That Be.

91 His age 23-29 seasons. In his best case scenario, he is an established, quality FA SS for his age 30 season with $44M of earnings already accrued.

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Eight years from now the Giants will ponder whether to bring in Tulo to help rescue their moribund franchise, or keep 48 year old Omar Vizquel at SS.

So I went to this luncheon. It was really a sales effort to get people interested in the Dugout Club and Base Line seats (which I must say were nicer than the last time I had been in them. But still very expensive.) Ned spoke for about 45 minutes. Right out of the gate he said he was just there to answer questions, so fire away. He took all questions and I thought he was very honest and straight forward. I'll do my best to summarize.

Of course, the first question was about the four man outfield and JP. Most of Ned's answer was stuff we have heard before. He said a little healthy competition for playing time is good and that it was unlikely that anyone would start 162 games in the outfield. But he did say JP gave us what got him for. He gave us 200 hits and 60 SB and that is what was expected of him. My impression is Ned is a big work ethic guy and he likes JP's attitude. He acknowledged a couple of times that Furcal's injury and weakness in the 3-4-5 spots in the order really hurt the team last year. He was also asked about Torre's view of JP consecutive game streak and said it doesn't matter to Torre or him (Ned). I think Ned's view is the streak is going to come to an end at some point this season so it doesn't really matter when. Not like we're chasing Cal Ripkin here.

He acknowledged there had been a rift last year between the vets and the rookies and basically said both sides were to blame. The rookies who have been successful to this point in their career and focused on by the organization view themselves as "complete players" who did not need advice f