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Ramon Martinez II ... II
2008-01-29 17:36
by Jon Weisman

Ramon Martinez (II) gets a Spring Training invite on a minor-league contract, report Tony Jackson of the Daily News and Diamond Leung of the Press-Enterprise.

From Leung: My best memory of Ramon from last year came when Matt Kemp befuddled him with a greeting of, "What it do?"

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2008-01-29 17:40:58
1.   Humma Kavula
Lucille's fine. Obviously, there isn't a spot for him on the opening day roster, but send him to Vegas and let him wait for an injury. I don't have any problem with that.
2008-01-29 17:41:23
2.   Eric Enders
"What it do?" -- a question that could also be asked about Martinez himself.
2008-01-29 17:42:36
3.   D4P
You picked a fine time to return to me, Lucille.
2008-01-29 17:42:59
4.   Bob Timmermann
Lucille II will perhaps turn into Joe Torre's West Coast version of Enrique Wilson.
2008-01-29 17:43:48
5.   Eric Enders
I don't have a problem with sending him to Vegas and waiting for an injury. I do have a huge problem with the idea that he might actually make the team over Abreu. It's a distinct possibility with Mustache in charge.
2008-01-29 17:44:15
6.   LAT
Its been a while since I LAT-ed myself.

407. LAT
I was a pretty soft touch as a judge. The only people I really threw the book at were those driving without insurance. If you hurt someone and don't have the resources to compensate them you better have insurance or you better not be driving. BTw, there are tons of people without insurance out there.

The only other person I gave a maximum fine to was someone who did not have her baby in a car seat. No excuse for this.

2008-01-29 17:45:35
7.   regfairfield
And so answers the question of who gets to fulfill the honorary Ramon Martinez role of who gets to be useless utility guy for the year.
2008-01-29 17:46:02
8.   Humma Kavula
5 Oh, I agree entirely. If he makes the team, it will be the worst tragedy ever to befall the days of man.
2008-01-29 17:50:42
9.   El Lay Dave
LAT-ed.

Back in posts 152 and 164 Toy Cannon and bhsportsguy provided some scouting analysis from BHQ and BA, respectively, on the Met's prospects being traded for Santana. I looked up the BHQ ratings for Dodger prospect from a post TC put on True Blue LA, and the BA rating from their own writeup. While this comparison is admittedly crude, here is an attempt at mapping a similar set of Dodger prospects:

BHQ BA rank Age Pos. NY Plyr
9E 2 18 RHP Guerra
?? 3 22 CF Gomez
7B 4 22 RHP Mulvey
8C 7 25 RHP Humber

BHQ BA rank Age Position LA Plyr
8B 3 24 SS Hu
9C 4 22 LHP Elbert
9E 6 19 RHP Withrow
8C 7 23 RHP McDonald

The Dodgers don't have a CF prospect like Gomez, but I used Hu because he's at a premium defensive position. The Dodger pitchers may be too good (if Withrow = Guerra and McDonald = Humber, Elbert > Pulvey); consider, say, Orenduff, who is outside the BA top-10 and a BHQ 7C.

I suspect that some/all the following are true:
-Santana blocked LA
-LA doesn't want to give the six-year extension
-Minn just traded for a SS and needs the CF more
-Santana really wants NY or Boston

2008-01-29 17:51:16
10.   D4P
7
Yep. It was a Royce Clayton or Guy With Generic Latino Name, after all.
2008-01-29 17:51:17
11.   Bob Timmermann
8
Right after the development of nuclear weapons no doubt.
2008-01-29 17:51:20
12.   trainwreck
Now I have this DJ Khaled song stuck in my head, where they say "What it do" a lot.
2008-01-29 17:52:27
13.   regfairfield
1. Lucille is Dodgers utility guys
2. Jesus dies.
2008-01-29 17:52:27
14.   ToyCannon
Bank on it, Abreu and Hu will be manning the keystone for Vegas. I think Jeff Kent said he didn't want of the youngsters looking over his shoulders. He doesn't mind being replaced defensively by a wily veteran like Lucille II but damn if he was going to sit down for the likes of HuAbreu.
2008-01-29 17:52:29
15.   LAT
I have to go to an orentation tonight for 8th grade parents about what to expect in high school next year. Are you kidding me? I have a daughter going into H.S.? Someone made a mistake. My daughter likes to hang out at Dodger games with her Dad. She likes to play with her dolls and have me read to her. My daughter's not going into high school!

D-E-N-I-A-L!

2008-01-29 17:53:56
16.   ToyCannon
Not to increase the pain but I was sneaking girls out of their rooms in 8th grade.
2008-01-29 17:57:00
17.   trainwreck
15
You could always make sure she fails her classes.
2008-01-29 17:57:46
18.   Bob Timmermann
15
Let's all start singing "Sunrise, Sunset" to get LAT in the mood.
2008-01-29 17:59:10
19.   Eric Enders
15 Watch "Thirteen." It'll cheer you up.
2008-01-29 17:59:45
20.   Bob Timmermann
19
Even "Juno" will get LAT in the right mood.
2008-01-29 17:59:52
21.   Humma Kavula
15 Just wait until she gets married.

And then just wait until she has a baby.

My father-in-law was a wreck when we told him he was going to be a grandfather.

Speaking of that: I heard today that the average age that one becomes a grandparent in this country is forty-six. I couldn't believe it.

2008-01-29 18:00:36
22.   trainwreck
19
Or "Kids."
2008-01-29 18:00:39
23.   Bob Timmermann
Speaking of that: I heard today that the average age that one becomes a grandparent in this country is forty-six. I couldn't believe it.

I'm doing my part to help raise that average age.

2008-01-29 18:03:37
24.   Humma Kavula
23 No kidding. I know people who were older than 50 who became first-time parents -- much less grandparents.
2008-01-29 18:04:44
25.   trainwreck
21
I was 11 when my mom turned 46.
2008-01-29 18:06:09
26.   Jason in Canada
My grandfather was 74 when I was born. My other grandparents were all 60+.

These kids today are spoiled with there "young" grandparents.

2008-01-29 18:06:29
27.   Jason in Canada
My grandfather was 74 when I was born. My other grandparents were all 60+.

These kids today are spoiled with their "young" grandparents.

2008-01-29 18:06:49
28.   Bob Timmermann
24
My father became a grandfather for the first time at age 67.
2008-01-29 18:07:26
29.   Jason in Canada
Please excuse my double grandparent post.
2008-01-29 18:19:01
30.   Marty
25 Me too
2008-01-29 18:27:10
31.   Daniel Zappala
My biggest concern with the Kurkjian chat is this line, regarding Joe Torre:

Plus, he brings a cache to the job.

What exactly is Joe Torre trying to hide? Is he going to put Juan Pierre in his cache? Fantastic!

Or maybe he's got some extra memory for Colletti's laptop, so that it can display more statistics.

Either of those might be more useful than cachet, which won't help the Dodgers win any games.

2008-01-29 18:29:32
32.   wireroom
My dad was 42 when I was born.
2008-01-29 18:32:16
33.   Bob Timmermann
30
I was 9 when my father and mother turned 46. That was back in the day when a woman having a child at age 36 was considered to be very old.

None of my nieces and nephews really got to know any of their grandparents on either side of their family.

I grew up with my maternal grandmother in an extended household and I think it really helped. I loved having her around because she knew so much stuff. She could talk about the past without boring you to death.

And she made the world's best grilled cheese sandwiches.

2008-01-29 18:34:15
34.   Gen3Blue
LATed again--but no great loss.
2008-01-29 18:35:24
35.   Dave G
My dad was 60 when I was born. And my mom 30. Second family for him, first for her.

So I have a couple half-nephews (kids of my half-brother and half-sister) who are older than me, and all of them are around my age.

We all get along great.

2008-01-29 18:43:06
36.   wireroom
35 Your dad must have been quite the ladies man at 60!
2008-01-29 18:47:54
37.   Gen3Blue
These grandchidren of us younger people are going to need all the years experience they can get cause we still have many more years to figure out how to take advantage of them.
2008-01-29 18:59:58
38.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
Can someone more hip than I explain "what it do" to me? I have heard it about a hundred times, and I get that it is a greeting, like "how is it going?", but I don't know the precise meaning, or the derivation.

Bob? You tend to know these things...

2008-01-29 19:03:41
39.   trainwreck
38
You basically got it right. Means "What's up?".
2008-01-29 19:05:11
40.   Bob Timmermann
38
I'm 42. I'm unhip.
2008-01-29 19:12:47
41.   trainwreck
D4P needs to move to the Bay Area. That episode of the Simpsons where Lisa tutors Cletus's kids that he loves, is on practically every week here.
2008-01-29 19:22:28
42.   Disabled List
Lost in all the Santana nonsense is the fact that, two days after the Bedard trade was announced, the Orioles are still holding up the deal.

It occurs to me that the Mariners are giving up more for Bedard than the Mets are for Santana.

2008-01-29 19:29:41
43.   Bob Timmermann
42
You need to factor in to the potential Bedard deal that Peter Angelos is an idiot.
2008-01-29 19:31:34
44.   Ken Noe
I'll confess, signing RM II to any contract frightens me. For the first time in awhile, that old dread of Ned has returned. It's like seeing your ex-alcoholic friend outside a bar.
2008-01-29 19:35:08
45.   Terry A
43 - But a remarkably rich idiot. Like most of the other owners of baseball franchises.

5 - "Crown Prince," not "Mustache!"

2008-01-29 19:42:26
46.   jasonungar07
As a 36 year old who has a first child who is a 10 weeks old, I now for the first time in my life have a legit regret....I wish I had him 10 years ago.

The other things that I thought were regrets were just annoyances. I knew I would love being a dad but words just can't explain how cool it is. I want it to speed up and slow down all at once.

2008-01-29 19:48:56
47.   68elcamino427
46 Congratulations on the new addition to your family!
Few are more fortunate than the children that are wanted by their parents.
There are a alot of kids out there who were never wanted by their parents.
The love that you have for your son is a joy to read.
2008-01-29 19:52:25
48.   Eric Enders
I wonder if Jon changed his headline because he just thought of a better one, or because Leung thought of the same thing?

(I do like the new one better, btw.)

2008-01-29 19:52:32
49.   bhsportsguy
Nate Silver signs off his analysis of the Mets deal for Santana by saying that the Mets got him without giving up a single top tier prospect makes this a happy day for Mets fans.

However, what does that mean when by most analysts, the Mets did give up their 2nd best position player and 3 of their top 5 pitching prospects.

2008-01-29 19:53:10
50.   68elcamino427
48 The love that you have for your new baby. Boy or girl, it's a great time for you.
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2008-01-29 19:55:34
51.   still bevens
49 That the Mets farm system is terrible and now its even worse?
2008-01-29 19:55:45
52.   68elcamino427
49 I'm keeping in mind that the Twins scouting department has a great reputation.
They may see something that we don't.
2008-01-29 19:56:24
53.   Eric Enders
49 "However, what does that mean"

It means that they'd already largely depleted their farm system through trades and promotions.

2008-01-29 19:59:20
54.   Eric Stephen
I love that Diamond Leung scours YouTube for obscure Dodger fans.

http://tinyurl.com/262e3g

Also, the sideburns are a nice touch.

2008-01-29 20:01:50
55.   Eric Enders
55 I love that the guy has a Lester Freamon-style mugshot bulletin board behind him.
2008-01-29 20:02:27
56.   68elcamino427
44 Your post is funny and I share your sentiment. I was happy learn that RM II had departed.
The prospect of having to see him again makes me weary.
2008-01-29 20:04:40
57.   jasonungar07
I appreciate that Camino...! It's been a good offseason. (for what I was hoping to see out of the dodgers as well)
2008-01-29 20:05:12
58.   jasonungar07
Oh it's a Boy!
2008-01-29 20:07:56
59.   Eric Stephen
55
I'm now considering putting a similar board at my desk at work.

I had to Google Lester Freamon, as I have not seen The Wire. It's my next series to catch up on. I know it's great; I just didn't want to jump in without seeing any previous seasons.

In a similar fashion, Thursday will be my inaugural first run Lost episode, as I am now fully caught up.

2008-01-29 20:12:59
60.   Eric Stephen
The Tony Jackson piece on the Lucille II signing says, "[Martinez] will be given a shot to compete with youngsters Tony Abreu and Chin-lung Hu for what probably will be two utility infield spots on the opening-day roster."

Is there room for two utility guys on the 25-man roster? I think that means one of two things will happen:

1) an 11-man pitching staff
2) Ethier or Pierre will be traded

I'm assuming Delwyn Young is on the squad (maybe that's faulty reasoning). Or maybe Tony Jackson was just speculating on the two utility spots. Who knows?

2008-01-29 20:13:52
61.   overkill94
For those trying to equate the haul the Twins got from the Mets to what we would have given up, I prefer using Sickels' grading system:

Mets guys (with the rank in their system):
#2 Deolis Guerra, RHP, Grade B+
#3 Carlos Gomez, OF, Grade B (undecided, may raise to B+. You guys are right about the injuries, but you also need to be more wary of Mets propaganda.)
#4 Kevin Mulvey, RHP, Grade B (may raise to B+)
#7 Phil Humber, RHP, Grade B-

Dodger prospects that fit into the same grade range:
#3 James McDonald, RHP, Grade B+
#4 Chin-Lung Hu, SS, Grade B
#5 Jonathan Meloan, RHP, Grade B
#6 Dewlyn Young, OF, Grade B-
#7 Chris Withrow, RHP, Grade B-

So, essentially, a package of McDonald, Hu, Meloan, and D. Young is almost equivalent to what the Mets gave up (slightly lesser since Gomez and Mulvey were borderline B+'s). Simply switch LaRoche (an A-) in for D. Young and all of a sudden our deal is better. That's a long way from the Kershaw/Kemp/LaRoche package we were expected to give up.

2008-01-29 20:14:33
62.   Eric Enders
or 3) LaRoche is sent down, or
4) Nomar is the second utility guy.
2008-01-29 20:16:17
63.   Andrew Shimmin
I wonder if there's correlation between facial hair stylings and Nomar/LaRoche or Pierre/Ethier preferences. Muttonchops mean you pick the right ones, mustaches mean you don't? Maybe mustache is too broad; handlebar mustaches might pick wrong on one, but right on the other, while caterpillar mustaches pick wrong on both.
2008-01-29 20:21:15
64.   Eric Stephen
63
And full unkempt beards make baaaaad choices.

http://tinyurl.com/2o8l5t

2008-01-29 20:23:35
65.   Eric Enders
64 I resemble that remark.
2008-01-29 20:27:59
66.   Eric Stephen
65
Channeling my best Rodney Dangerfield..."it looks good on you though."
2008-01-29 20:30:00
67.   natepurcell
I think Eric Enders is correct.

Nomar is considered the ultimate utility guy. Lucille is basically competing with Abreu and Hu.

Preferably, the utility players are Abreu and Nomar, with Abreu getting roughly 30 starts at 2b and 10 or so at shortstop.

Nomar should spell Loney, Laroche, be a PH specialist, and maybe play a little left field.

Pierre should.....well, you know.

2008-01-29 20:30:29
68.   caseybarker
"Thirteen" may be the most horrible movie I've ever watched.
2008-01-29 20:49:28
69.   jasonungar07
If we traded Pierre and LaRoche could take hold of 3b it really would be the best thing for all involved.
2008-01-29 21:26:53
70.   Bluebleeder87
16

Not to ad to TC's comment but I was a hall monitor in high school & would sneak girls out that way. To be really honest it wasn't GIRLS. It was only one girl, my girlfriend, I also had the key for the elevator which led to the teachers lounge.

2008-01-29 21:42:13
71.   Jason in Canada
54 That is a Classic, I mean classic video. He even takes a shot at the Dodger Blues guys.
2008-01-29 22:16:21
72.   Kevin Lewis
I now have a new project for work tomorrow, and it involves my bulletin board. That guy is a genius, a genius.
2008-01-29 23:52:26
73.   Zak
Late to the party, but here goes. My mom was 20 when she had my younger sister and then my parents were done with kids.

Now, I have two kids, and my mom turns 50 next month.

So, she's in there with the "average age" crowd.

Also, my wife's mom is only a year older than my mom.

2008-01-30 00:04:46
74.   Eric Enders
Boy, ESPN is sure on top of all the breaking stories. Sportscenter's Neil Everett (discussing the Santana deal) just reported that the Mets won the NL pennant in 1988.
2008-01-30 07:19:13
75.   D4P
Watched "In Treatment". Didn't love it, and don't plan to watch again (especially since it's on five nights a week). I didn't care at all about the female character, and finding out she was in love with the therapist didn't do much for me either. I also thought the process of discovering that she was the one who issued the "ultimatum" was kinda lame. I think we were supposed to feel surprised and like it was a huge revelation, but it seemed contrived and fell flat.

In other news, we only watched about 15 minutes of Breaking Bad before Mrs. D4P decided it was too dark for her. I guess I'll be watching it by myself, which is OK because I like this kinda stuff.

2008-01-30 07:40:03
76.   Jon Weisman
75 - You do know there are five different patients, right?

I didn't love the way the show started, but you might give it another chance. Otherwise, you'll just be like Bob, won't you ...

2008-01-30 07:52:34
77.   ToyCannon
75
That is exactly what happened when my wife and I started watching it. I also liked the darkness of it.
2008-01-30 08:04:32
78.   cargill06
why not join the bedard discussions again? if i'm not mistaken he is locked up until '09 for a good price
2008-01-30 08:10:49
79.   GobiasIndustries
75
I'm with you on "In Treatment" as I too watched the first episode last night. I thought the whole plot was kind of lame and fairly predictable. My wife seemed to like it so I'm doomed to watch the other episodes that are going to round out the week....Lucky me.

As for "Breaking Bad", all I can say is that show is awesome. I totally dig the premise and Bryan Cranston cast in the lead is magnificent. I don't think they could have done a finer casting job for the protagonist.
Find the time and watch the show, you will not regret it.

2008-01-30 08:18:53
80.   Kevin Lewis
I am half way through the second episode of Breaking Bad (I missed the first one), and I am really enjoying it. I too like the dark drama/comedy that is taking place. So, it will be another show that I watch by myself, just like Battlestar Galactica and Firefly.

I ran in to my first obstacle for the board project today. Where do I find photos/cards of all the players like the guy in the video?

2008-01-30 08:21:09
81.   Disabled List
I liked the episode of In Treatment I saw last night, with Blair Underwood.

78 I believe the Bedard-to-Dodgers rumors last time around centered on Kemp and Kershaw. Nevermind the fact that Kershaw has been declared all but untouchable; talentwise, that's more than what the Mets just gave to the Twins for Santana, and probably a little more than what the Mariners are offering. And that's more than I'd be comfortable giving up for a pitcher who would improve an area that we don't really need a whole lot of improvement in, and would weaken our lineup considerably this year.

Bedard is also something of a question mark. He came out of nowhere and has had two good seasons, but he was shut down last September for some reason, and that's a big red flag.

2008-01-30 08:29:49
82.   cargill06
81 ok so why not try to revisit an offer something between adam jones and kemp/kershaw, you would think the o's would listen to a better deal than seattle comes up with, like i said he's really cheap 3.4 million last year
2008-01-30 08:31:51
83.   ToyCannon
Not to mention the arm problems before the two good seasons. I don't see how we can match the Mariner offer without hurting the team.
Jones does equal Kemp in perceived value so he has to be included. Sorry but I just don't see how the Dodgers can be competitive unless Matt Kemp is a big part of the 2008 offense.

I like Bedard and at one time hoped we could get him without including either Kemp or Kershaw but after looking at what the Mariners offered I don't see how that is possible. That was a great offer and I'm baffled why the Orioles have yet to accept it.

2008-01-30 08:39:31
84.   regfairfield
82 Frank McCourt probably won't be happy that his 13 million dollars would go towards a long reliever.
2008-01-30 08:39:36
85.   cargill06
i know i'm about to become under attack, but kemp for bedard i'd have done it yesterday. kemps value will never be as high as it is right now and replacing loaiza with bedard will be more valuablable than having kemp playing every day instead of ethier
2008-01-30 08:40:38
86.   cargill06
84 any doctor would be happy if schmidt comes back as a long reliever, he's not pitching til at least may and who knows if he'll be affective
2008-01-30 08:41:17
87.   Marty
I'm not sold on Breaking Bad yet. I love dark comedy/dramas but this one leaves me a little queasy. Even though the lead character seems to be a smart chemist, he's done nothing but stupid things through-out the rest of the two episodes. I feel sorry for his wife.

But I'll continue watching and give it more chances.

2008-01-30 08:41:25
88.   regfairfield
86 That would be 15 million of his dollars. I was referring to Kuroda.
2008-01-30 08:41:32
89.   cargill06
i don't know what bedard is getting for money in '08 and '09 but 3.4 for a pitcher of his calibar is fantastic, than after the '09 season schmidt is off the books
2008-01-30 08:42:33
90.   cargill06
88 , if you trade for bedard you go penny, bedard, lowe, billingsley, and kuroda. he still fits in the rotation
2008-01-30 08:44:02
91.   regfairfield
89 Bedard wants eight million in arbitration and the Orioles are offering six. I have no idea how that works if he gets traded. I can't see him not getting the eight if the case goes all the way.
2008-01-30 08:44:44
92.   regfairfield
88 So far there's no indication that Schmidt won't be ready.
2008-01-30 08:46:08
93.   Andrew Shimmin
85- I'd attack you, but I don't care enough about this. Say one word against Eric Byrnes, though, and it's on.
2008-01-30 08:47:35
94.   ToyCannon
92
Other then common sense and history.
2008-01-30 08:48:46
95.   regfairfield
94 What can I say, I'm an optimist.
2008-01-30 08:48:53
96.   Andrew Shimmin
92- I read somewhere that he wouldn't be ready before May and that there was no way to know whether he'd be effective.
2008-01-30 08:49:23
97.   ToyCannon
93
You mean that 4th outfielder for the Diamonbacks who can only throw by launching his body airborne?
2008-01-30 08:49:45
98.   cargill06
92 i'm sure you've read the article on torn labrums, than throw in a torn bicep tendon and bursa scarring to boot. i'm not too optamistic
2008-01-30 08:50:33
99.   Andrew Shimmin
97- He's a complicated man; no one understands him but his woman. And his dog.

And me.

2008-01-30 08:51:21
100.   regfairfield
98 It's out of date. Labrum surgery isn't instant death for a pitcher any more, but there isn't enough data to determine how effective the new treatments are. (I'm assuming you're referring to the thing Will Carroll wrote three years ago).
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2008-01-30 08:52:15
101.   cargill06
trading for bedard, also fills a hole if lowe is not re-signed after this season. i see a lot of upside if that deal happens
2008-01-30 08:53:24
102.   Marty
I'd have about the same amount of optimism for Schmidt's comeback if he came back as a lefty.
2008-01-30 08:54:05
103.   cargill06
100 correct, what pitchers since than have recoverd well? the one hope for me about torn labrum is drew brees, he tore his labrum in december of '05 and was ready to go august of '06, and had the best season of his career. i know it's a different sport. but still it's a ray of hope
2008-01-30 08:55:26
104.   ToyCannon
99
You just like his hair and the fact he wears cordoroys.
2008-01-30 08:55:50
105.   Andrew Shimmin
101- Since just yesterday you were sure the Dodgers need to get Santana, but you're willing to go for Bedard, instead, now, who else would fill this need you see? Anybody who hasn't already been traded to someone else?
2008-01-30 08:57:21
106.   ibleedbloo
May be old news but I didn't see it posted. BennyP from the dodger board (he is the moderator) says "The Dodgers granted ptcher DJ Houlton his release so he could play ball in Japan this year".
2008-01-30 08:57:24
107.   cargill06
105 marquee pitchers don't grow on trees