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Furious Business
2008-04-01 20:51
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

In the bottom of the sixth inning tonight, Dodger third base coach Larry Bowa threw a tantrum that would have been national news had Milton Bradley done it.

It happened after umpire Ed Montague ordered Bowa to get back inside the coach's box. Bowa took exception, and Montague ejected him quickly. It then fell upon Joe Torre to restrain Bowa, and quite honestly, Torre was barely strong enough for the task. Trying to get at Montague, Bowa pushed Torre into Montague - though no serious damage was done.

"That vein in Bowa's neck could have held a screen up in the Coliseum," Vin Scully pricelessly commented. "Easy, Larry - you get into a thing like that, you wind up getting suspended."

Tonight's game was scoreless at that point, by the way, but the Dodgers loaded the bases on a single by Andre Ethier and walks to Andruw Jones and James Loney. Giants pitcher Matt Cain had thrown 113 pitches - perhaps it will be a mark of the 2008 Dodgers that they work pitchers - so even with Juan Pierre due up, the Giants went to the bullpen and brought in left-hander Jack Taschner.

Forcing the Dodgers to pinch-hit Matt Kemp for Pierre would seem to be a dream, but as Vin pointed out, Taschner has been better against righties in his career. I'd still take Kemp over Pierre against any pitcher in that situation, but as if Vin were predicting it (basically saying that Torre was playing into the Giants hands) the Giants won the battle. Kemp struck out, and the game went into the seventh inning still 0-0.

The first three Giants batters in the seventh got singles, the third hard off Derek Lowe's leg, knocking him out of the game. And Lowe flung his glove against the dugout wall.

We never thought it was going to be a smooth ride, did we ...

* * *

Two runs (charged to Lowe) came in off Joe Beimel, who sandwiched a strikeout by allowing a bases-loaded walk and single, but Ramon Troncoso, making his major-league debut, induced a double play to end the frame.

Blake DeWitt had another proficient at-bat, leading off the bottom of the seventh with a single. Mark Sweeney pinch-hit for Troncoso and singled.

Then, with Rafael Furcal up, Torre sent DeWitt and pinch-runner Chin-Lung Hu on a heartstopping double-steal, with DeWitt barely beating Bengie Molina's throw and barely hanging onto the bag. This could have been the first big baserunning boner of the young season. Instead, it set up Rafael Furcal's game-tying two-run single, followed by Furcal being caught overrunning first to make the first baserunning boner of the young season. (Hu looked certain to score the tying run even if the throw from the outfield had gone through.)

We never gave up, did we ...

* * *

It went all the way to the bottom of the ninth, deuces wild: two on, two out, two balls, two strikes to Delwyn Young. Except he's not Delwyn Young, as Vin tells us. Per a conversation Vin had with Young's grandfather, no one in the family calls him Delwyn - instead, they call him Pee-Wee.

Young grounded one to the right of 36-year-old second baseman Ray Durham. Durham smothered the ball but did not come up with it cleanly. He threw late to first, and first baseman Rich Aurilia threw late to home plate - Furcal sliding home with the second great baserunning moment of the young season.

Vin: "Pee-Wee is bigger than a Giant." Ah, yes. Dodgers win, 3-2.

Comments (403)
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2008-04-01 21:13:04
1.   trainwreck
Any screw up to the Giants this year will be extra painful, because they are so bad.
2008-04-01 21:17:05
2.   Bluebleeder87
Nice move by Torre here, hopefully Troncoso can induce a double play here.
2008-04-01 21:17:52
3.   JRSarno
Pierre saying to himself: "I woulda caught that ball in center field."
2008-04-01 21:18:11
4.   underdog
This game is one you almost just have to laugh at because it's so past control: Bowa's meltdown over nothing; the ump's myopia; bloops and walks and other kookiness. Whatcha gonna do?
2008-04-01 21:18:22
5.   KG16
I wouldn't mind seeing a 1-2-3 double play here.

Heck, I'll take the traditional 6-4-3 double play.

2008-04-01 21:18:30
6.   StolenMonkey86
so a deflected fly ball isn't an error?
2008-04-01 21:19:21
7.   KG16
ok, that'll work too
2008-04-01 21:19:33
8.   Jon Weisman
There hasn't been anything close to an error in this inning.
2008-04-01 21:19:34
9.   Ken Arneson
Apologies for the slow service. There's an IP address that is hitting the server about 20 times a second. Working on it.
2008-04-01 21:19:37
10.   JWilder
2 nice call
2008-04-01 21:19:49
11.   Eric Stephen
6
No one advanced beyond the base from the single, so no error.

Welcome to the bigs, Troncoso!

2008-04-01 21:19:54
12.   Bluebleeder87
man, I likes me some Troncoso, the ball comes off his arm nice & easy, nice!!
2008-04-01 21:19:57
13.   Bob Timmermann
6
Why would Jones get an error? You don't get an error for just missing a diving catch. "Ordinary effort" is the guiding phrase.
2008-04-01 21:20:10
14.   underdog
Thank you, Aurilia!
2008-04-01 21:20:26
15.   Jon Weisman
9 - That skill would come in handy on Hot Wheels' Spin City.
2008-04-01 21:20:38
16.   trainwreck
I hope Torre does not think Broxton should only pitch in the 8th inning.
2008-04-01 21:21:12
17.   underdog
9 I thought it was just because you were using the microwave at the same time you were using the Toaster.

---

And thank you, Troncoso! Nice start.

2008-04-01 21:21:26
18.   StolenMonkey86
8 - Ok, I just didn't know what singling on a fly ball to right field deflected by the center fielder looked like.
2008-04-01 21:21:27
19.   KG16
huh, Nook Logan is on the 51s roster, go figure.
2008-04-01 21:21:33
20.   Marty
Thanks Ken!
2008-04-01 21:21:53
21.   natepurcell
Tron Tron fo shizzz!
2008-04-01 21:23:14
22.   Frip
Women seem especially great on tv at ballgames. Don't know what it is. Not trying to be funny. I think I'd marry just about any woman they show.
2008-04-01 21:24:17
23.   KG16
The Solution starts the rally.
2008-04-01 21:24:43
24.   natepurcell
Blake's having great at bats.
2008-04-01 21:25:12
25.   sporky
Thank you, Marcus Giles!
2008-04-01 21:25:28
26.   KG16
when does the AAA roster need to be set? I'm going to try to make a game in Vegas this year, just wondering who I'll see besides George Lombard and his Fabulous Orchestra.
2008-04-01 21:25:31
27.   Bob Timmermann
22
Selection bias among camera operators.
2008-04-01 21:26:17
28.   Retire 55
DDoS attack by Giants fans?

Come on Raffy.

2008-04-01 21:26:39
29.   ucladodger
Please dont tell me Torre is asking Furcal to sacrifice.
2008-04-01 21:27:51
30.   KG16
29 - perhaps Joe is having guys show bunt on the first pitch in these spots to move the infield in? Because Furcal looked like he really wanted to swing at that next pitch.
2008-04-01 21:28:10
31.   ucladodger
Wow
2008-04-01 21:28:12
32.   trainwreck
Good grief, Charlie Brown.
2008-04-01 21:28:21
33.   Jon Weisman
Wow, that was dangerous and close!
2008-04-01 21:28:23
34.   sporky
WHEW.
2008-04-01 21:28:31
35.   KG16
Andy who?
2008-04-01 21:28:32
36.   natepurcell
Wow, that was risky!
2008-04-01 21:29:21
37.   ucladodger
i'll take the tie.
2008-04-01 21:29:30
38.   KG16
Well, that's one way to do it.
2008-04-01 21:29:32
39.   JRSarno
Phenomenal
2008-04-01 21:29:42
40.   Ken Arneson
28 The IP address in question originates from Los Angeles. But I seem to have successfully blocked it now.
2008-04-01 21:29:51
41.   eekrock
loving it!
2008-04-01 21:30:17
42.   68elcamino427
Pierre out of game/Karmic balance restored :)
2008-04-01 21:30:29
43.   trainwreck
An inch probably saved us all from going nuts.
2008-04-01 21:31:25
44.   Jimmy B
Bad base-running error by Furcal. Hope that doesn't come back to bite us.
2008-04-01 21:31:39
45.   Retire 55
Raffy!
2008-04-01 21:33:38
46.   trainwreck
44
It did right there.
2008-04-01 21:33:52
47.   sporky
44 Mm..
2008-04-01 21:34:03
48.   Retire 55
Rescued by Operation Hennessey!
2008-04-01 21:34:10
49.   underdog
Okay, I don't hate this game as much now.
2008-04-01 21:34:49
50.   MSarg29
Maybe someone will tell Tony Jackson that Eithier has 3 hits and Pierre has none.
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2008-04-01 21:35:36
51.   Bob Timmermann
Ramon Troncoso has a chance to be the first Dodger pitcher to get a win in his first major league appearance since 2003.

And that pitcher was ....?

2008-04-01 21:35:44
52.   trainwreck
50
And is already on the bench.
2008-04-01 21:35:52
53.   StolenMonkey86
50 - Jackson already recanted.
2008-04-01 21:36:44
54.   StolenMonkey86
51 - well, as long as we don't trade him for Danys Baez, that's fine
2008-04-01 21:37:30
55.   trainwreck
51
I was going to say Brazoban, but I believe he came in 04.
2008-04-01 21:37:50
56.   Bob Timmermann
And Edwin Jackson keeps his niche.

Here is the list since 1957:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/66uJ

2008-04-01 21:38:10
57.   Bob Hendley
OK Jeff, how about a little PVL pick-me-up.
2008-04-01 21:38:14
58.   trainwreck
53
Jackson made note of Ethier getting no hits last night.
2008-04-01 21:38:22
59.   alex 7
back in the less-used last thread, we were blaming Furcal's base-running gaffe on Bowa getting tossed and brining in a backup 1st base coach. Try it, it's fun.
2008-04-01 21:39:00
60.   Bluebleeder87
if anything at least we tide it but Furcal could have been the go ahead run, oh well, really nice seeing Ethier having a good day at the office.
2008-04-01 21:39:12
61.   MSarg29
53- Actually he made a snarky comment today saying after Ethier's 0-4 that they have the same amount of hits.

He was probably being cheeky.

2008-04-01 21:39:20
62.   underdog
56 Shawn Hillegas, pitcher I was most wrong about... I really thought he was going to have a good career. Or at least, a career.
2008-04-01 21:40:12
63.   underdog
Bull Alert.™
2008-04-01 21:41:29
64.   Daniel Zappala
32 - 36 Please explain?
2008-04-01 21:41:34
65.   ucladodger
i love watching Andruw run down fly balls. Dude is so good.
2008-04-01 21:42:01
66.   JT Dutch
... Broxton's velocity is at 93-94 thus far.
2008-04-01 21:42:37
67.   KG16
64 - the double steal
2008-04-01 21:42:50
68.   GrilledOnly
Man, it feels soo nice to have Andruw in center.
2008-04-01 21:43:26
69.   alex 7
I remember Broxton being a starter in the minors, but I don't remember him being used multiple innings in a game often last year, if at all. Seems like a good idea.
2008-04-01 21:43:56
70.   trainwreck
64
We tried a double steal while Furcal was up with no outs. In a game in which we were down 2 runs.
2008-04-01 21:44:28
71.   KG16
69 - I'd like to see him get used for a couple of innings from time to time. Even as closer in waiting, there are going to be times that they'll need him to come in in the 8th
2008-04-01 21:44:48
72.   Bob Hendley
65 - Yeah, but JP would have run all the way to the wall, touched it, and come back before engaging with the ball.
2008-04-01 21:45:18
73.   JT Dutch
... Now, the fastball's down to 91-92 for Broxton. And he's throwing that almost exclusively.
2008-04-01 21:46:17
74.   Bob Timmermann
Shawn Hillegas fell victim to the curse of the Dodger #1 picks of that time period.
He was taken back in the days of the "secondary phase." The #1 pick overall in the first round in of the 1984 draft was Shawn Abner. The #2 pick, Bill Swift, did have a productive career.

The #10 pick in 1984 was Mark McGwire.

2008-04-01 21:46:55
75.   Frip
27 Selection bias among camera operators.

No, they're not always hot. Often they just look sweet and sporty. And that's good enough.

2008-04-01 21:50:25
76.   68elcamino427
Due up: Jones, Loney, Kemp:)
2008-04-01 21:50:53
77.   jujibee
Just noticedthe first 3 due up. Our number 5-6-7 hitters. Jones, Loney, Kemp. Looks like the heart of our order.
2008-04-01 21:55:24
78.   Slipstream
Good spot to pinch-run Pierre. Oh yeah, I forgot. . .
2008-04-01 21:55:39
79.   KG16
Anyone else still thrown off by some of the numbers the guys wear now?

I see Dodgers #14 and still think "Scioscia", 55 is still Hershiser (though less so these days).

2008-04-01 21:56:44
80.   KG16
ouch, I'm feeling that in my shoulder
2008-04-01 21:56:47
81.   trainwreck
Loney taking people out.
2008-04-01 21:56:57
82.   fordprefect
-I'll be in Atlanta for the US FIRST robotics competition April 17-20 (actually my son's HS team is competing) which happens to coincide with a Dodgers-Braves series. Any tips on getting tix, getting to the park from the Georgia Dome area, restaurants to avoid,etc?
2008-04-01 21:57:11
83.   StolenMonkey86
who's hurt?
2008-04-01 21:57:32
84.   alex 7
Loney not endearing himself to Giants fans after last night's 5-0 steal and this slide.
2008-04-01 21:57:34
85.   Bob Hendley
70 - Where did that come from? Apart from the situation, you have a substitute third base coach and a rookie on second. Really tempting the gods on that one.
2008-04-01 21:57:37
86.   Jimmy B
Loney shows everyone how to properly break up a double play (with some help from a poor throw by a third baseman).
2008-04-01 21:57:45
87.   fordprefect
Was that a soccer-style flop by Durham there?
2008-04-01 21:58:00
88.   KG16
83 - Durham landed on his left shoulder when Loney slid into second
2008-04-01 21:58:05
89.   sporky
Ugh, I shouldn't have had cheese and ice cream for dinner.
2008-04-01 21:59:01
90.   underdog
Nothing wrong with that slide, it was clean break-up play after an off throw. But glad that Durham didn't get too hurt there. C'mon DeRoche!
2008-04-01 21:59:24
91.   Andrew Shimmin
84- The lively boys of the McCovey Chronicles may not be entirely un-endeared. They're not happy about Durham's playing time.
2008-04-01 22:00:32
92.   alex 7
Padres win.
2008-04-01 22:00:48
93.   Bluebleeder87
is Bowa a firecracker like that all the time or is he being singled out in some weird way? I don't know much about him but I'm thinking he's being singles out but I could be wrong.
2008-04-01 22:01:36
94.   KG16
I was really hoping the Solution was going to go yard there.
2008-04-01 22:02:04
95.   GrilledOnly
93 he's a hot head.
2008-04-01 22:03:35
96.   Bluebleeder87
From everything I know about 3rd base coaching (I don't know much) but I've always seen the coaches far away from that little noodle coaching box, maybe he was barking some insults or maybe Bowa & the ump have history, who knows...
2008-04-01 22:03:40
97.   Jimmy B
93 Bowa is a firecracker. It's what got him fired as the Padres manager years and years ago.
2008-04-01 22:03:47
98.   alex 7
is there really a better option for SF than Durham for this year? I have no clue about their minor leaguers, just sounded like their cupboards are bare in a lot of positions.
2008-04-01 22:04:47
99.   trainwreck
I think we are wasting Saito here.
2008-04-01 22:05:15
100.   Ken Arneson
98 They had Kevin Frandsen, but he tore his achilles tendon in the last week of spring training, and is out for the year.
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2008-04-01 22:05:45
101.   trainwreck
We have to put in a pinch hitter next inning, so why take out Broxton?
2008-04-01 22:06:31
102.   prisoner416
93 just got back from campus...had to see the Bowa blowup after reading about it. It's going to take some time getting used to the base coaches with helmets, but I understand why.

I wonder if Bowa is liable to throw his helmet at an ump?

2008-04-01 22:07:42
103.   Bluebleeder87
I know it's early in the year but I have this tingly feeling Martin might go deep next inning.
2008-04-01 22:07:55
104.   Bob Timmermann
The boxscore on Yahoo indicates that Bowa was ejected for being out of the coaching box.

"An added comment to Rule 4.05 requires that a coach, until being passed by a batted ball, must position himself no closer to home plate than the front edge of the coach's box and no closer to fair territory than the edge of the coach's box closest to the field."

2008-04-01 22:08:22
105.   Jimmy B
102 He looked ready to eat Ed Montague.
2008-04-01 22:08:57
106.   StolenMonkey86
because it's cool to watch him strike out the side.

And Russell Martin is up 3rd.

2008-04-01 22:09:00
107.   Bluebleeder87
Saito is just masterful I tell you, masterful!!
2008-04-01 22:09:11
108.   Blaine
Not crazy about Saito being out there. 5-0 game last night and a tie game tonight. The guy is 38 years old and didn't he have a tired spell at the end of last year?
2008-04-01 22:09:33
109.   Bob Hendley
101 - Looks like Torre did his first double switch (to go along with his double steal).
2008-04-01 22:09:57
110.   alex 7
haha, Giants announcer complaining that "guys don't like that" when Saito does his post-game fist pump and yell.

Because we all know opponents love pirouettes.

2008-04-01 22:10:07
111.   underdog
After Krukow praised Saito at length, he also pointed out that "guys do not like how he is" after he hops off the mound, shakes his fists, after a save, in other words - shows emotion. Right after that, Saito finishes dissecting the Giants line-up and just coolly leaves the mound.
2008-04-01 22:10:09
112.   natepurcell
108

He still needs to get into season shape. He had a very short spring.

2008-04-01 22:10:51
113.   underdog
Or what Alex said.

I haven't heard too many people openly complaining about Saito's emotion - and I certainly know we love it. So I just say, "Whatever."

2008-04-01 22:11:11
114.   Bluebleeder87
It looks like in Japan ball players stay almost all there career with one team, that's really nice to see these days.
2008-04-01 22:11:19
115.   prisoner416
Yabu's gonna get lit up here
2008-04-01 22:12:42
116.   Jimmy B
That slider looks ready to hang.
2008-04-01 22:13:02
117.   alex 7
every game counts so I don't mind Saito. I thought last night was just to get a look at him after his little injury. Guessing he gets tomorrow off before Thursday's off-day.

One rabbit on!

2008-04-01 22:13:16
118.   trainwreck
113
I bet Giants players have complained to him about it. They have gotten to see it a lot : )
2008-04-01 22:13:17
119.   Andrew Shimmin
I wonder what kind of odds I could get on Furry for MVP.
2008-04-01 22:13:39
120.   bhsportsguy
Saito now shows that he can pitch back to back days, he won't pitch tomorrow.

I think he's ready for the season.

2008-04-01 22:13:44
121.   prisoner416
let the rabbit loose Torre!
2008-04-01 22:14:09
122.   jujibee
Up here in Sac, I only get the local Giant Broadcast with Krukow and Miller (both terrible by the way) During the Bowa fiasco, they turned on the mic that must have been closest to Bowa, and there were some definate rule 1 violations coming from his mouth. A couple very clear ones towards the end, " that's (rule 1 violation) horse (rule 1 violation)". I wasn't too amused, but I found it strange that they would turn a mic on, next to a Bowa temper tantrum.
2008-04-01 22:14:28
123.   68elcamino427
Doesn't Saito remain business like and stoic until the last out of the game is recorded, then he celebrates?
2008-04-01 22:14:59
124.   bhsportsguy
What are the odds that Martin gets a day off against San Diego?
2008-04-01 22:15:18
125.   regfairfield
122 I can't think of a better time to.
2008-04-01 22:15:22
126.   Jimmy B
122 That makes me like Bowa even more.
2008-04-01 22:15:34
127.   StolenMonkey86
I'm hoping he does what Hudson did with his pickoff attempt Sunday night.
2008-04-01 22:15:41
128.   natepurcell
I guessed I might be the only one that loved that blow up by Bowa.
2008-04-01 22:16:09
129.   sporky
128 I did, too.
2008-04-01 22:16:38
130.   alex 7
I wonder if Russell is this smart...after the first pickoff attempt, Russell seemed to drop slightly into a bunt stance. Maybe to draw a 3B in a bit knowing he's not bunting? Or maybe I'm overanalyzing. Would be cool if he was that heady though.
2008-04-01 22:17:39
131.   Bob Timmermann
On May 9 last year, Daisuke Matsuzaka got the win against Tomokazu Ohka.

Which I believe is the last time Japanese pitchers were the winner and loser in the same game.

2008-04-01 22:17:44
132.   jujibee
One more note on the Giants broadcast I found amusing.. Players and coaches get upset with Saito because of his dance he does after a save. Then, Krukow goes on to explain the dance as the fist pump and smile that has been so loved in this community. Didn't really know it was considered a dance to some.
2008-04-01 22:17:46
133.   regfairfield
128 I'm guessing there's going to be a lot of overlap between people who thought Grady lacked fire and hated Bowa's tirade.

Can't say I'm a big fan of guys who go Buddy Rich just because they want to rage against the machine.

2008-04-01 22:17:48
134.   bhsportsguy
128 I don't mind though it will bug me if Plashcke writes something like the Dodgers having some fire and brimstone due to the Fiery Larry Bowa.
2008-04-01 22:17:51
135.   JT Dutch
... Hang in there, Russ.
2008-04-01 22:17:56
136.   prisoner416
128 For me not all the time though...but maybe Bowa = bad cop, Torre = good cop.
2008-04-01 22:18:14
137.   Andrew Shimmin
The Bowa blowup does show how much Mattingly's absence hurts the team--there needs to be somebody under the age of seventy available to go out and hold Bowa back from committing a felony. Torre's going to be bar hopping on Thursday, recruiting a bouncer who always wanted to be a bat boy.
2008-04-01 22:19:50
138.   Jimmy B
That was a great at-bat by Russ.
2008-04-01 22:19:56
139.   bhsportsguy
That looked pretty close to a strike.
2008-04-01 22:20:05
140.   JT Dutch
... Great at-bat by Martin.

134

... People still READ Plaschke? For the love of God, why?

2008-04-01 22:20:11
141.   prisoner416
137 lol. Mariano Duncan's still pretty spry I think.
2008-04-01 22:20:33
142.   fanerman
Russell calls on his Canadian Mountee days!
2008-04-01 22:20:47
143.   Jon Weisman
"Pee-Wee" Young it is.
2008-04-01 22:20:51
144.   StolenMonkey86
I'm sure Dodger Blues loved it, and if he gets ejected again they'll probably have a counter for Bowa chasing Bobby Cox.
2008-04-01 22:21:03
145.   Bluebleeder87
Man, Ethier is right on everything, he's seeing the ball really really well.
2008-04-01 22:21:06
146.   bhsportsguy
Gotta love that Vin was talking to Delwyn Young's grandfather.
2008-04-01 22:21:46
147.   Jimmy B
141 I still remember Duncan trying to go after Peavy in that back-to-back-to-back-to-back homer game.
2008-04-01 22:21:50
148.   jujibee
137. That was some of the funniest stuff I've read in a while.

I do like Bowa though. I don't mind a hard nosed stubborn guy like that. Think of where Pierre would spend most of his time if Bowa was calling the shots.

2008-04-01 22:22:00
149.   bhsportsguy
140 He's the Sports Columnist of the Year.
2008-04-01 22:22:01
150.   bhsportsguy
140 He's the Sports Columnist of the Year.
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2008-04-01 22:22:17
151.   trainwreck
Yabu ate Ethier alive.
2008-04-01 22:22:50
152.   bhsportsguy
150 He's so good I printed it twice.
2008-04-01 22:22:54
153.   prisoner416
119 check the Hilton or the Palms. I don't know what the offshores have on that.
2008-04-01 22:23:04
154.   trainwreck
They play the worst music at Dodger Stadium.
2008-04-01 22:23:09
155.   Bluebleeder87
I shall restrain my self by going on gut feeling until it's up-to-par...
2008-04-01 22:23:09
156.   Vaudeville Villain
Who's Peewee hitting for? kent?
2008-04-01 22:23:09
157.   JT Dutch
150

... You forgot the word "Worst" in your sentence.

2008-04-01 22:23:40
158.   StolenMonkey86
150 - Or in Plaschke style:

He's the Sports Columnist.

Of the Year.

2008-04-01 22:25:27
159.   prisoner416
deuces wild....
2008-04-01 22:25:39
160.   JT Dutch
... Yabu has got to be over 20 pitches in this inning.
2008-04-01 22:26:00
161.   Bob Timmermann
According to B-R, the last major leaguer to have the nickname "Pee Wee" to be used commonly was Greg Briley.

Former Dodger infielder Nate Oliver was nicknamed Pee Wee as well.

2008-04-01 22:26:06
162.   sporky
YESSS!!
2008-04-01 22:26:13
163.   alex 7
Hu went in for Kent (sigh) as a defensive replacement I think

wow!

2008-04-01 22:26:17
164.   Bluebleeder87
Speed wins the ball game today, woots!
2008-04-01 22:26:18
165.   prisoner416
nice way to end it....
2008-04-01 22:26:31
166.   Jimmy B
Good hustle by PeeWee.
2008-04-01 22:26:36
167.   prisoner416
hustlin' Dodgers
2008-04-01 22:26:44
168.   StolenMonkey86
Delwyn!
2008-04-01 22:26:47
169.   Rob M
That was awesome.
2008-04-01 22:26:48
170.   bryanf
Woohoo! PEE WEE! PEE WEE!
2008-04-01 22:26:52
171.   alex 7
the only thing missing from this scene is a stunned Bowa standing at 3B with a stop sign still up.
2008-04-01 22:26:59
172.   jujibee
Is it just me, or does Johm Miller's attemp at pronouncing Latin American/Hispanic players' names just to much to bear sometimes. He's got to hear how they are supposed to be pronounced somewhere in his job.
Nice story book ending for D young.

2-0. let's keep it going

2008-04-01 22:27:08
173.   natepurcell
Furcal is so much better when healthy.
2008-04-01 22:27:22
174.   68elcamino427
"Pee Wee is bigger that a Giant" I love Vin.
2008-04-01 22:27:24
175.   JT Dutch
... Winning pitcher: Saito.

Two and oh.

2008-04-01 22:27:29
176.   underdog
That. Was. Sweet.

Wow.

2008-04-01 22:27:51
177.   bryanf
Furcal for MVP of the first two games.
2008-04-01 22:28:28
178.   Gen3Blue
I'm awake on both posts. Damn they just cut off Vin
2008-04-01 22:28:47
179.   prisoner416
Good night all. Now to watch Pedro's outing before the blown hammy
2008-04-01 22:28:54
180.   Jimmy B
172 I'm sorry you have to listen to Jon Miller.
2008-04-01 22:29:04
181.   tjdub
Do we now have a third base coach controversy?
2008-04-01 22:29:14
182.   68elcamino427
174 " ... bigger THAN a Giant"
2008-04-01 22:29:43
183.   bhsportsguy
Steve Lyons looks like your high school math teacher.
2008-04-01 22:29:44
184.   trainwreck
Scrappin our way to victory.
2008-04-01 22:29:52
185.   prisoner416
Was that McCourt shaking PeeWee's hand?
2008-04-01 22:29:56
186.   Bob Hendley
171 - Nice.
2008-04-01 22:30:22
187.   Ken Arneson
I haven't seen a game-winner like that since Rickey's heyday. Good ball.
2008-04-01 22:30:46
188.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
Delwyn representin' for the Antelope Valley!
2008-04-01 22:31:31
189.   underdog
122 Btw, JJ, I don't agree that Krukow is terrible, though he does some things that annoy me on occasions. Despite my disagreeing with his interpretation of Saito's "interpretative dance," overall I find he's pretty complementary to opposing players and usually pretty honest. I don't mind him at all.

I especially don't mind him when the Dodgers win!

2008-04-01 22:32:08
190.   StolenMonkey86
I'll have to see highlights of this game. Furcal scoring from second on a grounder to Durham and Bowa ejected. Nice.
2008-04-01 22:32:13
191.   bhsportsguy
187 The only thing missing was the fist pump ala Kirk Gibson.
2008-04-01 22:33:06
192.   underdog
188 And representin' Santa Barbara City College, too!

So, can they force Bowa into a sabbatical so he can do anger management coursework for awhile? Then put Bill Mueller at third. We're still paying him aren't we? He used to play third. He's calmer. He doesn't look psychotic in a helmet.

2008-04-01 22:33:25
193.   Bob Timmermann
I've been told explicitly by my boss to not wear a sweater vest to work. She has told me that my torso is too long and it will look funny.

Most of my sartorial choices in life have been dictated by freakishly long torso.

2008-04-01 22:33:34
194.   Fallout
...and you think that Kent is weak at 2nd?
2008-04-01 22:34:08
195.   sporky
Heh, from McCovey Chronicles:

"I was looking at LOLcats, and I missed it. What happened?"

2008-04-01 22:34:47
196.   Bob Timmermann
From Yahoo's boxscore:

Ejections: NY YANKEES' Bowa by Montague (6th).

2008-04-01 22:35:20
197.   Andrew Shimmin
What's the correct body type for a sweater vest? Besides Mr. Rogers'.
2008-04-01 22:35:21
198.   Lexinthedena
Great game tonight. Glad to see Delwyn be the guy. The highlight of tonights game was Vin, he's always great, but tonight he really made me smile.
2008-04-01 22:36:32
199.   prisoner416
193 I've been told the sweater vest makes one look more professorial; extra style points for beard, pipe, or twill suit with elbow patches. Rocked the outfit in my early twenties to exude authority, now I feel like I'm finally growing into it as a paunchy 30-something
2008-04-01 22:36:37
200.   Bob Timmermann
197
The correct body type for a sweater vest is not mine.
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2008-04-01 22:37:24
201.   bryanf
I'm sorry, I just don't like Steve Lyons...

Actually, I'm not sorry.

2008-04-01 22:37:28
202.   sporky
From Diamond:

Derek Lowe left the game with a left calf contusion in the seventh inning and is day to day.

2008-04-01 22:39:19
203.   bhsportsguy
199 I think Bob could pull off the twead jacket and pipe.

Though the image of Encyclopedia Brown comes to mind.

2008-04-01 22:40:54
204.   Bob Timmermann
203
It's been my lifelong dream to solve complicated crimes based on flimsy evidence that would never stand up in court.
2008-04-01 22:41:25
205.   Jon Weisman
FInal update to this post is done. Nice rally!
2008-04-01 22:41:31
206.   prisoner416
Hello Christine Nubula
2008-04-01 22:42:33
207.   tjdub
In a wildly optimistic search for an omen, I'm going to choose to find similarity between tonight's game winner and Gibby scoring from second on the wild pitch 20 years ago.
2008-04-01 22:43:19
208.   bhsportsguy
202 Basically a bruise.
2008-04-01 22:43:28
209.   KG16
137 - I am willing to volunteer my services.

That was a fun game, Dodgers on pace to win 162, Giants on pace to lose 162; can't ask for much more than that.

2008-04-01 22:44:20
210.   ryu
I thought the game was rather boring up until Bowa's blown fuse. Thanks Larry!
2008-04-01 22:45:13
211.   Greg Brock
I emailed a Dodger Thoughts expat to tell him that what's his face had been benched, only to see him back in the lineup.

Sigh

2008-04-01 22:46:38
212.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
192 Go Vaqueros!

The FSN crew has all but anointed Joe Torre manager of the century.

2008-04-01 22:46:51
213.   bhsportsguy
Joe Torre does a good job backing up his coach, not blaming the umpire and taking it to MLB.
2008-04-01 22:47:31
214.   Bob Timmermann
ABC is airing a show titled "Live to be 150 - Can you do it?"

I answered no and looked for something else to watch.

2008-04-01 22:47:56
215.   Andrew Shimmin
209- That's a two-fer. Because, in the event that you failed (not to impugn your masculinity, but homedog is crazy and, you can see it in his eyes, crafty), you could represent him at the bail hearing.
2008-04-01 22:47:57
216.   cloblue64
I envy you southerners listening to Vinnie's take on Bowa's ejection.
In the Bay Area we got to hear about traffic coming in in the first inning. The beach ball delay. Jon Miller was on his game.
And then between innings in the ninth, the camera, at Jon's prompt, panned to the parking lot.
I could not see any headlights as the camera panned the parking lot, and Jon, silent as we watched, did not get to do his patented Dodger fans leaving before the last out spiel. And when Raffy stole home, well . . .
Two games do not a season make, but here in the almost frozen north, it's mighty sweet.
2008-04-01 22:48:57
217.   bhsportsguy
Did anyone else notice that Furcal thought the ball went through because his hand was raised as he was coming down the line, it was only when he saw the play in front of him did he turn on the burners and slid in safely.
2008-04-01 22:50:06
218.   Jon Weisman
Is Derek Lowe draped in velvet??
2008-04-01 22:50:16
219.   KG16
215 - only if I fail in California.
2008-04-01 22:51:17
220.   dzzrtRatt
There are some cool networks on this team that gave tonight's celebration some extra emotion.

The Jacksonville group: When Pee Wee ran off the field, he jumped into Matt Kemp's waiting embrace.

The Atlanta connection: The first guy Furcal sees after sliding into home, his Braves buddy Andruw Jones.

So far, almost everyone in the lineup plus most of the bench has done at least one great thing that contributed to at least one of the two wins. Martin's the only guy you could say is slumping, but you know that won't last.

One is obligated to say chemistry is overrated. But this seems like a team whose players like to win with their friends.

That was a great win, great to get past the Giants' ace.

2008-04-01 22:51:17
221.   bhsportsguy
218 Jon, you are on fire. Not Larry Bowa fire but on fire.
2008-04-01 22:51:34
222.   Greg Brock
214 Anne "Egg" Veal is on SVU, doing a great job as a homeless girl.

Creepy.

2008-04-01 22:52:24
223.   bhsportsguy
220 I believe Kemp and Young were roomies in Vegas.
2008-04-01 22:53:05
224.   bhsportsguy
222 Thoughts on Saturday?
2008-04-01 22:53:10
225.   Louis in SF
172

I lived in DC when Miller was broadcasting for the O's and now living in SF, Miller who is still very good tries in my mind to do too much on many occasions, especially with hispanic names...For those of you in Norcal who have direct TV, during this week they are doing the MLB preview and also offering the Game Day Mix, so if you put on the Mix you can hear Vin-in my house I had the sound down on the Giants broadcast and listened to Vin-it was great!

2008-04-01 22:53:39
226.   Neal Pollack
What a game. I can't wait until we play a professional baseball team.
2008-04-01 22:53:41
227.   Lexinthedena
216 With the Giants no longer relavent, it's back to the old days of baseless L.A Hate.
2008-04-01 22:54:23
228.   sporky
I'm trying to be ladylike, but "big baserunning boner" is asking too much of me.
2008-04-01 22:54:44
229.   Greg Brock
224 Meh. They made the Final Four. Everything from here on out is gravy.
2008-04-01 22:57:54
230.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Great to come home and see the Dodgers game. I love it. And we win.

Man it feels good to be undefeated.

2008-04-01 23:01:03
231.   Jon Weisman
228 - "boner" is Dodger Thoughts=approved thanks to Fred Merkle.
2008-04-01 23:01:16
232.   bhsportsguy
NL West has the best record in baseball, 4-2. They also have 4 undefeated teams.
2008-04-01 23:04:28
233.   bhsportsguy
232 Sorry, the record is 6-2.
2008-04-01 23:07:38
234.   Xeifrank
Listening to Charlie Steiner on the radio and trying to figure out the score, inning and outs is like listening to one of the kids adventure shows that my 3 year old watches. I was waiting for Steiner to say "Swiper no swiping!". Driving home from my softball game, I flipped on the radio in my car hoping to catch either the end of the game or post-game chat. Ethier was batting in the bottom of the 9th inning in what turned out to be the Dodgers game winning rally. Only you had to piece bits and pieces of information together to find out what was happening or what was likely happening. A hint that the winning run was on 2nd base told me that the game was tied and in the bottom of the 9th or an extra inning frame. Then they talked about Ethier possibly laying down a sac bunt, so I figured there was probably nobody out (that was wrong). Then I found out there was one out, but why would Ethier be thinking about a sacrifice, oh well. I still didn't know the score or the inning. Finally on the pitch that Delwyn Young hit his game winning infield single, Steiner said the count, score and inning... just in time for the last pitch. Bob's picture puzzles are more difficult, but Steiner does a good job of making his listeners piece together the game situation and score with little clues here and there. :) vr, Xei
2008-04-01 23:15:44
235.   still bevens
223 They also had a well documented blow up/fight on the field a year or so ago.
2008-04-01 23:26:44
236.   Reddog
Great win, great start for Joe Torre. It feels like a different team with Torre - I think all the players want to play their best to live up to his standards.

What I sense is a commitment to excellence that wasn't there last season under clueless Grady Little.

2008-04-01 23:27:55
237.   silverwidow
If Furcal keeps playing like THIS, then be prepared to pay $$$.
2008-04-01 23:30:16
238.   underdog
237 I'd be okay with that, I think he's worth it when he's healthy. Furcal at short, Hu at 2nd. Works for me.
2008-04-01 23:43:19
239.   underdog
I didn't realize that Delwyn Young had had root canal surgery earlier today. Very courageous, Pee Wee!

Also from the AP story on tonight's game:

>>Major League Baseball announced in late February that starting this year, first- and third-base coaches must not cross the lines toward home plate or the field until batted balls pass them. Only then can they take up other spots to guide runners.

"We got a memo and an edict, and they're adamant about the box and stuff," Montague said. "Don't go up in front of the box toward home plate, and don't get any closer to the foul lines. I told Bo in the bottom of the fifth, because he got up close. And that's what caught my eye. And I just told him, 'Bo, you got the memo, we got the memo, and you've got to stay back.' I went over and told Joe in-between innings what I told Bo. And Bo just said, 'I'm going to do it the way I've always been doing it.'

"I said, 'Bo, if you go up, I'm going to have to run you.' And he said, 'Do what you've got to do, and it is what it is.' When he got up in front of it again, I said, 'Bo, I told you once, now get back in the box.' He argued it, and finally I said, 'You're gone.' So I gave him every chance in the book and he defied it.

"It's probably one of the dumbest ejections I've had."

Bowa unleashed a profanity-laced tirade regarding the rule as he left the Dodger Stadium.

"I did it all spring, nobody said a word," he said, still irate a half-hour after the game ended. "I did it yesterday, nobody said a word. It's impossible to coach third and stay in the box with a runner at second."

Schaefer also criticized the rule, but added: "Unfortunately, the umpires are doing what they're told to do."
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2008-04-01 23:44:29
240.   underdog
Doesn't it seem like Bowa was doing this whole thing on purpose, to make a stink and then get ejected, to wake up the team? Even if it wasn't actually calculated on his part, it did sort of feel that way. It was certainly pointless and stupid otherwise.
2008-04-01 23:50:12
241.   bhsportsguy
Good news

Dodgers 3B Andy LaRoche, who tore a ligament in his right thumb March 7, had the cast and three pins removed Tuesday. "They said it's a lot better than they expected," said LaRoche, who's expected to be sidelined until sometime next month.

2008-04-02 00:01:22
242.   overkill94
Got back from the game a little while ago and just caught up with the comments (from this thread at least).

A few things:
- Smaller crowd than what I expected for the second game of the season; the scoreboard put it at around 45,000.
- From my seat it was hard to tell why Bowa was ejected; interesting to see what the actual context was.
- Awesome ending after a pretty dull first five innings, glad to see we could pull off another win against such a week opponent.
- While Kemp's pinch-hitting appearance didn't work out, I was really proud of Torre for putting him in after the idiotic move of starting Pierre in the first place.

Hopefully Pierre's start today was just a way of placating him a little bit after the embarrassment of having to sit on opening day. From now on I would hope Pierre will only get 1-2 starts per week in the outfield to spell the other guys, not some sort of weird platoon.

2008-04-02 00:11:56
243.   El Lay Dave
197 Cadaver. (Although it might go with your pleated pants.)
2008-04-02 00:13:05
244.   Retire 55
Just watched Bowa's episode on the Sportscenter replay... After he knocks over the dugout drink cooler, Kemp's standing there, just staring at upturned tank, and starts clapping.

That's why the call him the Bison.

2008-04-02 00:14:59
245.   fanerman
244 Is he impressed by Bowa's tirade and ability to knock over the drink cooler? Or was it a sarcastic thing?
2008-04-02 00:16:21
246.   Bob Timmermann
Larry Bowa was just trying to big a heroic figure who could be used as a test case to challenge an unjust law.

Various nicknames to be used now for Bowa:
Plessy
Brown
Gideon
Miranda
Schenck

2008-04-02 00:17:12
247.   silverwidow
Kershaw starts Thursday for the Suns. My only concern is that it's just three days' rest since his unbelievable outing at Dodger Stadium.
2008-04-02 00:24:49
248.   Underbruin
242 -

Yeah, I was there as well. Got lucky, a buddy used to work grounds and had awesome comped seats down on the field level. Never been there, it's a great way to watch the game. Much incentive for me to work hard and get a better job, I suppose. :) I was lucky enough to have a stellar vantage point for Bowa's tirade (we were just about even with the 3rd base coach box), and I rather had flashes to Milton Bradley's tantrum that cost him his season last year. I was just waiting for Torre to attempt to take down Bowa and roll over his leg by accident.

Anyway, I agree, there were far fewer people in the stands than I expected given it's a night game against the Giants, and the second game of the year. Nevertheless, the crowd was pretty good once they got into the game in the latter half. Not an overpowering amount of noise like you might get with a sold out playoff game, for example, but a great vibe nonetheless, especially given the number of empty seats.

Glad to see the Blue come away with the win, especially on a day in which the team as a whole seemed to be hitting very poorly.

2008-04-02 00:27:16
249.   El Lay Dave
246 Crazy Gideon maybe....
2008-04-02 00:38:33
250.   bigcpa
247 At the game tonite the Diamond Vision down-on-the-farm feature highlighted Kershaw heading to "Triple A Jacksonville."
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2008-04-02 00:40:08
251.   Underbruin
250 - Yeah, saw that. Especially odd considering that several other times during the game Diamondvision correctly identified players coming up from Triple A Las Vegas.

Maybe there's a new minor league team in the works? =P

2008-04-02 01:10:41
252.   dzzrtRatt
In a division with Cain, Webb, Lincecum, Peavy, Haren, Unit, Young and Francis, better get used to games where it appears the Dodgers are "hitting poorly." What I think you can say about the hitters tonight is that even though hits were scarce, they took Cain deep into counts and finally wore him out, which made it possible to win the game against their pen.

Tonight's game, more that yesterday's, is what this whole season is going to be like. The talent among the top four teams seems pretty even. The winner will be the team that never gives in. That could be the Dodgers.

2008-04-02 03:24:13
253.   Retire 55
245 Kemp seemed to be half-amused and half-impressed.
2008-04-02 04:16:58
254.   D4P
Anne "Egg" Veal is on SVU, doing a great job as a homeless girl.

Her? Is she funny or something?

2008-04-02 06:20:45
255.   Daniel Zappala
193 Is your boss also your girlfriend? Because I otherwise fail to see how she would be going through your closet, telling you what not to wear. Or maybe she has a starring role on a TLC show.
2008-04-02 06:33:15
256.   Sushirabbit
Maybe Torre brought Bowa along as an intended distraction (from the players).

I like what I saw, but it is the Giants.

2008-04-02 06:34:50
257.   Sammy Maudlin
Happy 62nd birthday to old friends Don Sutton, Reggie Smith, and Mike Kekich!
2008-04-02 06:49:31
258.   JoeyP
The Good from last night:

Blake Dewitt--3bbs in the first two games. He's had a really good approach. Hopefully he keeps it up.

Troncoso---came in with the bases loaded. Threw strikes, got a ground ball.

The Bad from last night:
Larry Bowa's absolute clown act. I've never seen a more attention seeking whore in my life, especially in sports. Didnt like what Duncan did last year to Peavy, but last nite's stunt was much much worse.

The Ugly from last night:
Pierre starting in place of Kemp. Its the 2nd day of the season. Please, do not let this happen again. Kemp isnt tired. Why is it that teams willingly try to shoot themselves in the foot? Is it because they feel sorry for the Giants? Granted the Giants are bad and a lineup full of Juan Pierres could probably beat them, but still just a bad decision.

2008-04-02 06:50:14
259.   MollyKnight
I know the Giants are horrible, but I'll take any W over Matt Cain.
2008-04-02 06:59:42
260.   Sam DC
Fordprefect -- Guy Fiere says you have to go here: http://www.thevarsity.com/
2008-04-02 07:12:26
261.   D4P
I'll take any W over Matt Cain

Even this one...?

http://tinyurl.com/34h8gf

2008-04-02 07:15:52
262.   Izzy
On the Bowa thing, a Bowa tantrum and a Bradley tantrum would be quite different. Coaches, at least in theory, are there to protect their players. When something needs to be said, coaches are the ones who say it, not the players. There are times, when an umpire starts squeezing you. If it goes on, for the sake of the team, something is said or done. Well, I suppose if a coach was a complete pacifist, or just a plain old girly man, he wouldn't do anything bacause he is afraid or believes being walked all over is a virtue. The distrubing thing with Bowa is he got thrown out protecting himself, not the team. Maybe not though, what do I know. Maybe there is more to the story. Anyhow, I still think Bowa is an awesome addition, and the perfect guy for Torre. We have already scored more runs in the first 2 games because of him.
2008-04-02 07:16:32
263.   Bob Timmermann
DRule5P
2008-04-02 07:21:14
264.   D4P
I'm only a month or so from Dr4P, which will undoubtedly open the door to fortune and fame.
2008-04-02 07:23:50
265.   Bob Timmermann
I think it is appopriately, D4Ph.D.
2008-04-02 07:27:53
266.   D4P
You can use either one.
2008-04-02 07:39:52
267.   Hythloday
Well one implies trading DeShields for your doctorate while other implies trading your doctorate for having Pedro on the Dodgers. That's a tough choice.
2008-04-02 07:44:20
268.   LeeLacy
241 That is good news.

Though with the way DeWitt's played thus far, I don't feel quite the same level of anxiousness for LaRoche's imminent return that I felt last week.

2008-04-02 07:46:38
269.   therickdaddy
Jon, I was hoping we could go all season without hearing MB's name. He's in the AL and far away. Let's keep him there!

So far, my first impressions of Torre are incredible. Pretty much everything he's done I would have done so far as game situation pitching/lineup/etc. The Pierre thing I understand but don't totally agree with. It IS nice to have a quality 4th OF but only play him when folks need a rest, eh?

2008-04-02 07:47:02
270.   therickdaddy
Then again, it is against the Giants, so I guess it's fine to play him now.
2008-04-02 07:55:23
271.   madmac
welcome back D4P. we missed yeah
2008-04-02 08:04:42
272.   Bob Hendley
However one wants to characterize the double steal, this is a game of inches. Torre could well have been the goat. It worked, but we could have run ourselves out of the inning very easily.
2008-04-02 08:14:03
273.   Gen3Blue
The revamped Dodgers.com (and all MLB sites) seems more cumbersome to use and more obviously money-grubbing than before.
2008-04-02 08:14:55
274.   cargill06
.437 ops in 2 games for SF :-) stupid giants.
2008-04-02 08:19:58
275.   Daniel Zappala
95 more wins to go.
2008-04-02 08:21:54
276.   Jon Weisman
apostrophe catastrophe: http://tinyurl.com/2zrfgh
2008-04-02 08:24:08
277.   DXMachina
276 - Clearly the sculptor learned how to spell on the internet.

I don't suppose statues come with a preview button.

2008-04-02 08:25:57
278.   madmac
276 "That's just a nitpicky thing about English,"
2008-04-02 08:26:03
279.   LogikReader
276

Generally, spelling and punctuation aren't a huge deal on message boards, emails, and the like.

But a statue? You have to get that right. Will I be chastised for starting a sentence with "but?"

2008-04-02 08:31:09
280.   Bob Timmermann
275
72 more wins to go.
2008-04-02 08:34:50
281.   CajunDodger
262
I don't like to be a wonk and bring race into a place where it does not belong, but this Bowa thing kinda rubs me the wrong way.

He is as much of a tantrum throwing, angry, and attention stealing hothead as Bradley, but he is always described as "fiery" while Bradley is described as "troubled" in the media.

I'm not sure there is a conscious media bias, but I would like to see someone in a paper or other mass media outlet call out Bowa for what he is rather than trying to mask this particular character flaw (crotchety, old dude stubbornness) by saying that he is somehow consciously drawing attention to himself to relieve the media pressure on the players.

2008-04-02 08:40:21
282.   Bumsrap
There have been a few contributions that have stood out in the first two wins. Certainly, Penny, Furcal, and Kent in the first game and Lowe, Saito, and Furcal in the second. There has also been smaller contributions that have made the difference between winning and perhaps losing and Dewitt's contributions fall into this category.
2008-04-02 08:45:28
283.   cargill06
if dewitt continues to dazzle, when nomar and abreu who goes down to the minors?
2008-04-02 08:46:10
284.   Disabled List
Bill James fans: He has a Q&A with questions submitted by the public at the Freakonomics blog.

http://tinyurl.com/2jrxql

2008-04-02 08:46:18
285.   cargill06
if dewitt continues to dazzle, when nomar and abreu come back who goes down to the minors?
2008-04-02 08:47:30
286.   Daniel Zappala
280 But the glass is full!
2008-04-02 08:52:07
287.   regfairfield
255 Abreu, since he has options, but Dewitt would have to be going completely out of his mind for that to happen.
2008-04-02 08:52:09
288.   madmac
281 I think it's pretty clear that Bowa has an anger issue. For me the difference isn't color, but the role each played with the team. I didn't have a problem with Bradley after the first couple incidents, but at the end I just wanted him to go away. When Bradley blew up it usually meant him leaving the game which meant he no longer helped the team. In fact he hurt the team. Bowa blowing up and leaving last night had little if any impact on the game. You could actually argue that he distracted Cain and got him off his game. I think the dodgers quickly loaded the bases after play resumed and then Cain was gone. If Bowa makes a habit of this, then yes I'd prefer he go elsewhere.

I'm a Portland TrailBlazer fan, so I have some experience with crazed players. While Rasheed Wallace was a great player for the Blazers, he often let them down when they really needed him. He let his emotions get the best of him and the team paid the price.

BTW, It didn't look like Frank was too impressed with Bowa's act. I imagine Frank will be talking with Torre about this.

2008-04-02 08:52:12
289.   Bob Timmermann
285
The answer to that would be:

Blake DeWitt

2008-04-02 08:55:33
290.   cargill06
i'm thinking chavez and abreu get sent down.
2008-04-02 08:57:28
291.   regfairfield
Would Blake Dewitt be dazzling if he had one hit instead of two? Just curious.
2008-04-02 09:00:34
292.   regfairfield
Follow up question: is Brian Bocock also dazzling?
2008-04-02 09:01:38
293.   cargill06
291 yes, he's had great at bats, hitting the ball hard in 3 ab's and has 3 walks.
2008-04-02 09:02:43
294.   underdog
Welcome back D4P! Were you summoned to return by the Bowa tirade? We're all safe here, everything's okay. Good to have you back, though.
2008-04-02 09:02:59
295.   cargill06
292 he's held his own, but what can you really expect from a .240 career single A hitter?
2008-04-02 09:06:34
296.   Dark Horse
It's a little early to call DeWitt "dazzling." He's fun to watch, and I'm pulling for him, but I'm sure he's going back down to the minors barring anything short of a Bisonian tear.

As for Brian Bocock, well, the Giants are stuck with him. Unless they want to offer us Lincecum for, say, Abreu.

2008-04-02 09:09:22
297.   berkowit28
Does anyone have an idea why they'd be sending Abreu to rehab all the way to Vero Beach (according to the Times this morning) rather than Inland Empire? True enough that it's not just for 2 or 3 days, but are there special facilities or anything else at Vero Beach (rookie team) that make this obvious? He's supposed to go there on Thursday when the team goes on the road. If he still needs medical attention, why not just stay in LA? If he's ready for practice, why all the way to Florida?
2008-04-02 09:10:22
298.   underdog
Welcome back D4P! Were you summoned to return by the Bowa tirade? We're all safe here, everything's okay. Good to have you back, though.
2008-04-02 09:11:20
299.   cargill06
296 ok what about fantastic?
2008-04-02 09:11:43
300.   Bob Hendley
We should probably try to over-analyze the wins and the successful plays at this point, given that we have a new manager and, as I suspect, we will have a lot more wins that losses. Otherwise what will we have to nothing to complain about? The double steal was masterfully set up by Furcal showing bunt, unexpectedly, drawing in the 3rd baseman. I am guessing that none of this was based upon Dewitt's base stealing at AA and below, but more on the gut feelings of the coaching staff on the little that they have seen of him in ST. To his credit, he showed good instinct to evade the tag and overslid the bag when he was nailed. Otherwise we would have been able to see Bowa have his first tantrum (oh, wait...). Again Torre did the unexpected, but of course there is a reason why it was unexpected. Apart from the situation, you had a substitute 3rd base coach and a rookie on second increasing the chances of a missed sign (that would have been something, Hu sliding into second to find Dewitt still perched there).
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2008-04-02 09:12:20
301.   underdog
More Wes Helms rumors in the papers today, and I swear I didn't start these.

If they were to bring in anyone outside the organization to fill in at third right now without giving up much of anything, Helms is the only one I'd be sort of okay with. But if LaRoche is indeed healing faster than expected, they may just stand pat with DeWitt for now.

2008-04-02 09:12:50
302.   still bevens
297 I don't think the minor league season has started yet so thats where everyone still is. Could be wrong tho...
2008-04-02 09:13:18
303.   LogikReader
293

That's why they call him "The Solution™"

2008-04-02 09:14:56
304.   LogikReader
I asked about this yesterday, but my feeling is when LaRoche returns to health, they can send DeWitt back, give him a pat on the back, and let LaRoche take over.

It's only fair; plus LaRoche is really good at getting on base.

2008-04-02 09:15:00
305.   CodyS
297 Abreu is in "extended spring training." That has different implications to the roster than if he were sent to "the minors."
2008-04-02 09:17:59
306.   CanuckDodger
It serves no purpose to get hung up on the word "dazzling." How high does the bar have to be for DeWitt right now? He has done nothing to suggest he can't be a good "fill-in" for the time remaining before one of Abreu, Nomar, and LaRoche gets back. That is the only relevent issue NOW. There will be plenty of time down the road to talk about just how good he is, or will be, as a long-term 3B option.
2008-04-02 09:24:19
307.   regfairfield
306 I've just seen enough people ready to trade LaRoche based on three weeks of Dewitt that cargill got the brunt of it . Steiner developing a man crush on him kind of put me on edge.
2008-04-02 09:26:06
308.   underdog
As if things hadn't slowed down enough, now the NFL has added instant replay on field goals.
2008-04-02 09:28:53
309.   Terry A
Larry Bowa is an embarrassment to Joe Torre, to the Dodgers, to the team's fans, and to baseball in general.

We're two games into the season and he's already picked two pointless fights that ultimately boiled down to this: He doesn't want to play by the rules.

Next on Bowa's list: Coaching in street clothes (including a bicycle helmet) because he doesn't like the shade of blue used on the team's road uniforms.

Meet Larry Bowa, self-proclaimed Center of the Universe.

2008-04-02 09:33:20
310.   cargill06
307 there's no question that laroche and nomar are better offensive options, all i was asking is in dewitts time up here if he contiues to shine at the plate, isn't he worth keeping around until both are ready? i'd rather have dewitt pinch hitting than abreu, and i'd probably have dewitt have a spot start for nomar than abreu.
i've never hinted that dewitt should ever start at 3rd when both are healthy, when both are healthy there is no room for him, no matter how well he plays.
2008-04-02 09:48:44
311.   madmac
speaking of DeWitt http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&id=3325118
2008-04-02 09:49:50
312.   fanerman
Realistically, the NFL needs to get rid of that retarded "call timeout right before the game-ending field goal to ice the kicker" fad.
2008-04-02 09:51:53
313.   underdog
311 If anyone's too lazy to go to that link - which is a neat column - here's Crasnick:

1) Remember how Shea Stadium used to be known as a revolving door for third basemen? Now it's Chavez Ravine. Over the past five seasons, Adrian Beltre, Bill Mueller, Jose Valentin, Wilson Betemit and DeWitt have started on Opening Day for the Dodgers.

DeWitt ranked well down manager Joe Torre's depth chart upon arrival at spring training. But when Andy LaRoche, Nomar Garciaparra and Tony Abreu landed on the disabled list, opportunity knocked. In his Dodgers debut Monday, DeWitt singled off Zito in his first career at-bat, walked twice and scored two runs in a 5-0 victory over San Francisco.

In the 2004 draft, the Dodgers picked DeWitt and fellow Missouri native Scott Elbert in the first round. Former big league outfielder Mitch Webster, now a Dodgers scout, signed both players. According to Orange County Register columnist Mark Whicker, Webster refers to them as the "Missouri Mules."

While DeWitt hits from the left side, one scout said his full-fledged devotion to baseball is similar to David Wright's.

"I loved him when I saw him in high school," the scout said. "He wanted to hit all day, and he'd do anything the scouts wanted him to do. He's sort of a baseball rat."

DeWitt has his teeth in an opportunity now, and he has a chance to make a big impression if he's ready to seize the moment. <<

2008-04-02 09:54:57
314.   cargill06
is kershaw starting tomorrow?
2008-04-02 10:01:20
315.   berkowit28
305 "Extended spring training"? I've never heard of this. Do you know how long it can be extended? Does this mean he comes off the 15-day DL?
2008-04-02 10:02:20
316.   TheDictator
Its hard for an Eastern Time Zone reader of this blog to make timely comments on a game unless you are wiling to stay up until 1:00 AM consistently. So, I feel like my comment is completely mistimed.

After having just seen the highlights on Larry Bowa's ejection, my only real comment is the following: It's about time!

I don't know if that was really about the coaching box or if it was staged to get players attention, but if anything, it should tell us that somebody around that won't take things lying down.

It was great to see somebody blow up for no particular reason. At least there is some passion around this year's club. I can't say I thought that has always been the case with the Dodgers.

2008-04-02 10:08:19
317.   Jon Weisman
I feel like there have been mindless blowups pretty much every year. Most are just forgettable, though.
2008-04-02 10:08:21
318.   madmac
there really is a thin line between being passionate and being a crazed lunatic.
2008-04-02 10:09:49
319.   madmac
there really is a thin line between being passionate and being a crazed lunatic
2008-04-02 10:10:24
320.   TheDictator
After reading the Pee-Wee nickname I cannot get Pee-Wee Herman's song out of my head.

Todays secret word: Giants

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!

Maybe they could play the song when he comes up to bat.

Pee-Wee! Pee-Wee!Pee-Wee!Pee-Wee!Pee-Wee!Pee-Wee!

2008-04-02 10:10:25
321.   madmac
hmm...
2008-04-02 10:12:28
322.   cargill06
320 i can't get this song out of my head...

whatcha gonna do whatcha gonna do when bills comes for you.

2008-04-02 10:14:41
323.   underdog
You can say that again, madmac! ;-)

320 Hah hah. I doubt he wants to be associated with Mr. Reubens, but personally I would find it hilarious. Maybe that's what happened with Bowa? "That's right. For the rest of the day, whenever anybody says the secret word, scream real loud. Ready? Let's try it." Then the ump said the secret word, "box," and Bowa screamed real loud. He was just confused that no one else was playing.

2008-04-02 10:16:34
324.   Humma Kavula
Next time Bowa does a mindless blow-up, make it memorable.

Say what you will about Lloyd McClendon's skills as a manager, but that man made the mindless blow-up into an art.

Then there's this:

http://www.espn.go.com/page2/s/list/wildcoaches.html

2008-04-02 10:17:02
325.   Eric Enders
I'm not sure I buy the theory that the only people with passion for the game are the ones who bait umpires and throw tantrums for no particular reason.
2008-04-02 10:17:28
326.   Xeifrank
I will be in Vegas this weekend. Looks like the 51s season opens up then. Friday night is Russell Martin bobblehead night. Not sure if I can make it to any of the games though. Looks like most of our interesting prospects are at Jacksonville anyways.
vr, Xei
2008-04-02 10:17:33
327.   TheDictator
317 318

There is just something about a player who gives it all every night, that plays with intensity and passion that I really enjoy watching.

I have, in recent years, felt uninspired by the Dodgers in that department. I guess Bowa's blowup gives me hope that we will see a passionate, hard nosed type of player again. Maybe someone will be a little more fired up because of Bowa's presence.

That, and I think Bowa's blowup was just funny. From the sounds of it, most of the crowd did too.

2008-04-02 10:22:58
328.   madmac
the first time was a little cute. I just wish was over something a little more meaningful and not about where he was standing. I was impressed by Kent's control after really being screwed in two ABs
2008-04-02 10:23:36
329.   madmac
323 it's just something I'm passionate about
2008-04-02 10:25:57
330.   twerp
Haven't been able to follow too closely lately, so this may have been posted.

But here goes--

According to an AP study, Alex Rodriguez 2008 salary===$28 million.

Total salary, 33 player Florida Marlin 2008 opening-day roster and DL===$21.8 million. (A-Rod's hometown team, even)

Insanity of baseball salary structure===priceless.

2008-04-02 10:25:57
331.   TheDictator
324 Great link! It is the key to my existence as a fan.

Thats it! I have figured it out. Growing up in Ohio as a rabid Ohio State football fan watching Woody Hayes blow up and Pete Rose run around like he is on pills (it turns out he was) has made me the fan I am today!

Who could forget Ohio State educated Bob Knight's tirades, Lou Pinella's tirades with the Reds (which you can call as an announcer at the Reds Hall of Fame - its a blast), I guess I am a product of my upbringing. I wouldn't be surprise of Bowa wasn't originally from Ohio!

2008-04-02 10:26:23
332.   FirstMohican
326 - I had been hoping to make a Vegas trip centered around seeing Kershaw pitch this spring, but oh well. No 66ers, no 51s. =(
2008-04-02 10:26:29
333.   Disabled List
Dodger fans should chant "Lar-RY! Lar-RY!" (Jerry Springer-style) the next time Bowa goes nuts.

I actually sympathize a little with Bowa. People who are sticklers for annoying, pointless rules annoy the bejesus out of me, too.

2008-04-02 10:27:34
334.   CajunDodger
328
I have noticed more than once how careful Kent is to not show up an umpire. He almost never looks back when he disagrees with a call, but talks to the ump while going through his pre-pitch routine. The only way you can tell is if there is a close up on his face that shows him talking.

When he actually looks back like he did last night after his second strikeout, it is usually a very marginal call or one of many that he has already endured.

2008-04-02 10:30:03
335.   TheDictator
333
Outstanding! I was chanting that at my computer about half-way into the tirade. It was completely pointless. Jerry Springer is the former Mayor of Cincinnatti, OH. I have no future as a fan.

As madmac said 328 the first time is cute. But next time it will be an embarrassment to everyone involved.

2008-04-02 10:30:03
336.   ToyCannon
I would like to see Larry Bowa physically implode into nothingness on national TV, thus teaching children everywhere that out of control anger serves no purpose anywhere.

Kirk Gibson had passion, Larry Bowa has a problem. I hate having Larry Bowa on my team.

I hope Jeff Kent breaks him in 1/2 before the season is over.

2008-04-02 10:30:50
337.   ToyCannon
D4P welcome back and congratulations on your Doctorate.
2008-04-02 10:30:51
338.   CajunDodger
333
You must love the NFL rules committee then. And the NCAA.
2008-04-02 10:32:04
339.   CajunDodger
333
You must love the NFL Rules Committee. And the NCAA.
2008-04-02 10:32:40
340.   CajunDodger
Well that's the first time that has happened to me...
2008-04-02 10:33:11
341.   gibsonhobbs88
327 - I think Torre keeps Bowa around to be his "alter ego". They are both Italians but while Torre can keep his cool and think ahead, Bowa can be the one to occasionally go off on the umpires, whether something meaningful or not and if he gets ejected, no real harm done. It's okay, we haven't had someone to keep the "umpires on their toes" since Tommy and I think the Dodgers would sometimes look flat and uninspired to me because we didn't have a manager raise cane once in a awhile. Sometimes a manager or coach needs to do it to show his players that the coaching staff has their back if the player thinks they have been wronged, whether true or not.
2008-04-02 10:34:35
342.   TheDictator
336
As a teacher, you have to target the top third of your class. By doing this you challenge the middle third to work harder to get the A, the bottom third must make a choice, quit or work hard.

Usually, you get 3 to 5 droppers with the rest of the class working harder to survive. In this way, the whole class is better. This only works if you are willing to fail those who don't work.

I am hoping Bowa's blowup raises the passion level on this team. If the team turns into a bunch of mindless Milton Bradley's then yes we have a problem. But its early . . .

2008-04-02 10:36:02
343.   Disabled List
339 Oh yeah. Two of my favorites.
2008-04-02 10:42:54
344.   ibleedbloo
Anyone interested in hearing Tommy speak and meeting the 66ers? It also looks like dinner will be served as well. Not to bad for $40. I'm thinking about going seeing as how it is about a 3 minute walk from work.

http://tinyurl.com/3d77cl

2008-04-02 10:44:25
345.   Marty
I still contend that Larry Bowa is an idiot.
2008-04-02 10:46:47
346.   LeeLacy
All this discussion about Larry Bowa's tirade last night brought back to mind another memorable explosion by the former shortstop back in 1982 during a 21-inning marathon between the Dodgers and Cubs, for whom Bowa was playing at the time.

With two outs in the bottom of the 8th and the score tied 1-1, Bowa got thrown out at home attempting to score from first on a double by Leon "Bull" Durham. If I remember correctly, Bowa flew into an apoplectic rage but somehow avoided getting tossed. It was the first time I'd seen just how ballistic Bowa is capable of going. Does anyone else remember this?

The Dodgers ended up winning, 2-1. You can find the box score for the game here: http://tinyurl.com/2d4plu.

Kind of amazing that there 33 hits in the game, yet only 3 runs scored.

2008-04-02 10:48:21
347.   Hythloday
341 But who is Ryan Braun's alter ego? Whither the Hebrew Hobnail?
2008-04-02 10:51:32
348.   clash1
Larry Bowa is an embarassment to the team and the league. He's a throwback to outdated baseball traditions of machismo and nepotism.

Quixotic emotional tirades do nothing for a team. He's not supporting his team by arguing about the coaching box, he's just drawing attention to himself like a circus sideshow performer - in his pajamas no less.

2008-04-02 10:53:16
349.   Dodgers49
Out of eight players named the Dodgers lead the pack with three:

GMs should just cut losses on these guys

>> OF Juan Pierre, Dodgers, four years, $36.5 million remaining: <<

## 3B Nomar Garciaparra, Dodgers, one year, $8.5 million remaining: ##

%% RHP Esteban Loaiza, Dodgers, one year, $7.375 million remaining: %%

http://tinyurl.com/yt86kv

2008-04-02 10:54:21
350.   Xeifrank
I am not really sure what to think of Larry Bowa. If he's like this to get attention, feel relevant or just has a temper problem. I don't wish to call him any names, as I don't know the guy, but I do have some reservations about him being a coach on our team, considering we have so many young and impressionable players. My guess is that Bowa has some problems and probably could use some help/counseling. I wish the team well. vr, Xei
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2008-04-02 10:55:40
351.   ToyCannon
342
If watching a coach go ballistic increases their passion over a 162 game season I'm going to find another sport to follow.

The goal is to win baseball games and some players like Joe Dimaggio JD Drew, Jeff Kent, and Garret Anderson get it done in a passionless methodical way, while others like Gibson, Sax, and Rose need to have a fire burning for all to see.

I would like you to offer some kind of objective analysis that players who play with passion are any more effective then those who just do their jobs.

I like to see baseball players enjoy the game when they play, what I don't need to see are adults acting like two year olds.

2008-04-02 10:56:11
352.   berkowit28
341 "raise cane"? What cane would that be?
2008-04-02 10:56:20
353.   madmac
343 what about 338
2008-04-02 11:00:22
354.   madmac
I prefer Mickey Hatcher passion to Bowa passion.
2008-04-02 11:01:07
355.   Eric Enders
348 "Larry Bowa is an embarassment to the team and the league. He's a throwback to outdated baseball traditions of machismo and nepotism."

Nepotism? What does that have to do with Bowa? Nick Johnson is a good player who would be in the majors no matter who he was related to.

2008-04-02 11:03:06
356.   ToyCannon
354
Exactly
2008-04-02 11:04:27
357.   ibleedbloo
Anyone notice who was warming up in the bottom of the 9th last night? I caught one glimpse on TV, and thought I saw a left hander K/Guo, but I could be mistaken. Was it only Estaban and K/Guo left at that point?
2008-04-02 11:06:27
358.   underdog
So how's the weather down there? Look like tonight's game is going to get rained out(!) ?
2008-04-02 11:07:19
359.   Dodgers49
It's early, but questions already are arising

>> The big question about Eric Gagne coming into this season was whether he was the dominator we saw in Texas for the first half of 2007 or the terminal disease we saw in Boston after the non-waiver trade deadline. <<

## As anticipated, Juan Pierre wasn't in the Opening Day lineup for the Los Angeles Dodgers. In fact, he wasn't even called on to pinch hit in the late innings, and that put a stop to his streak of 434 consecutive games played. ##

http://tinyurl.com/3brh4y

2008-04-02 11:07:22
360.   Marty
So far, no rain. But it's supposed to start about rush-hour time.
2008-04-02 11:07:49
361.   Samuel
357

The Giants announcers said K/Guo was warming up.

2008-04-02 11:08:23
362.   regfairfield
349 I like how he doesn't mention possible replacements for any of those guys, and he criticizes Dombrowski for replacing Inge with a better option when he had the chace.
2008-04-02 11:08:53
363.   Xeifrank
Here is what I just pulled off of the National Weather Service forecast discussion page. Sorry for the all caps, but that's the way they do it for some reason. vr, Xei

RAIN IS JUST NOW STARTING TO HIT THE CENTRAL COAST...OFF BY ABOUT A COUPLE OF HOURS OF WHAT WE WERE EXPECTING. AS A RESULT...NOT
EXPECTING RAIN TO BEGIN HITTING LA COUNTY UNTIL LATE THIS AFTERNOON AROUND THE PEAK COMMUTE HOURS. THE CORE OF THE PRECIPITATION WILL ALLOW FOR ABOUT 4 TO 6 HOURS OF FAIRLY STEADY RAIN...WITH SHOWERS TO FOLLOW THE MAIN PRECIP BAND. RAINFALL SHOULD BE MODERATE AT TIMES

2008-04-02 11:08:56
364.   LeeLacy
349 That story doesn't make Ned look too good.

With the possible exception of the Inge contract, no other deal on that list looks as bad as the Pierre signing.

2008-04-02 11:09:57
365.   Xeifrank
361. Did they mention the slash in his name?
:) vr, Xei
2008-04-02 11:11:24
366.   Zzyzx
341 Bowa is to Torre on the the Dodgers as Pesci is to De Niro in Casino. Let's hope they stick to the "successful" first half of the movie relationship, and not the fallout of the second half.

Who'd play Sharon Stone's character. Ned?

2008-04-02 11:11:48
367.   GobiasIndustries
What does it matter in the long run that Bowa went nuts and got tossed? I rather enjoyed it myself. You don't see that every day in the majors and it's fun to watch once in a while when it does happen. Bowa didn't cost us the game. So what if he wants to call attention to a flaw in a rule? Isn't he entitled to do so in any way that he sees fit? Isn't that the freedom of America? While I think if his whole objective was to call into question the amendments made to a preexisting rule, he could've gone about in another way but I don't know that that was the intention behind his tirade. Nobody does. Was it to light a fire in the clubhouse? Was he just tired and wanted to go to the bathroom? The possibilities as to why he did what he did are endless.
Reading all these comments about how Bowa is a disgrace, and how he shouldn't be coaching anywhere, and how he should just implode is downright ridiculous in my opinion. If you don't like him - fine. You are entitled to your opinion but until his "temper" or "antics" start costing the Dodgers games, I couldn't care less and I say let him do what he needs to do in order to help the Dodgers win. I want to attend a World Series game at Chavez Ravine this year, it's been toooooo long. If Bowa furthers that cause, let him be himself.
2008-04-02 11:11:56
368.   Xeifrank
The Royals are shutting down the MLB's best offense of all time. 0-0 in the 5th.
vr, Xei
2008-04-02 11:12:51
369.   Marty
So, it's Larry "The Ant" Bowa?
2008-04-02 11:13:43
370.   Bluebleeder87
341 I think you hit the nail right in the head
2008-04-02 11:14:26
371.   Dodgers49
357 Was it only Estaban and K/Guo left at that point?

I'm sure the answer to that question is, no. :-) Torre always has EDSP (Every Day Scott Proctor) available.

2008-04-02 11:15:19
372.   Samuel
365

I added the slash in his name out of respect for you =).

2008-04-02 11:15:44
373.   Xeifrank
367. Bowa's tirades don't cost the Dodgers in the win column, but they are very unprofessional in most minds. I'm sure Dodger ownership and the marketing department just love that being the image of the Dodgers in ESPN highlights.
vr, Xei
2008-04-02 11:16:14
374.   Xeifrank
369. I still like "Old Yeller"
vr, Xei
2008-04-02 11:16:45
375.   Xeifrank
372. Geez thanks, I feel honored. :)
vr, Xei
2008-04-02 11:17:21
376.   DXMachina
349 - %% RHP Esteban Loaiza, Dodgers, one year, $7.375 million remaining: %%

So, is Ringolsby saying the Dodgers should release Loaiza now, and put, say, Chan Ho Park into his spot in the rotation?

2008-04-02 11:19:03
377.   cargill06
368 unfortunately i bet det and the over, oh well.

vr, car

2008-04-02 11:19:24
378.   regfairfield
Making your team worse at absolutely no benifit to yourself is always a good idea.
2008-04-02 11:20:02
379.   GobiasIndustries
373
I see your point, but we're only talking about one isolated event so far. If this becomes common place, action should be taken. I'm sure the Dodgers ownership and the marketing department don't care too much about what ESPN has to say, frankly, I don't anyone that does.
2008-04-02 11:21:15
380.   Terry A
Hey, just got this week's SI and noticed they covered opening day at Dodger Stadium. I only had time to glance through the story, but the photos are of the young'uns -- Loney, Kemp, Billingsley, Ethier and Martin.

I look forward to reading it tonight.

2008-04-02 11:23:09
381.   LogikReader
363

Xei, do you think that will cause any kind of rain delay? I noticed on weather.com that the projections aren't as severe as they were yesterday, i.e. no more Thunder.

I ask merely because I'm scheduled to be at the game tonight.

2008-04-02 11:25:31
382.   cargill06
381 i'm reading mostly showers, i just have a gut feeling it won't ever get hard enough for a delay.
2008-04-02 11:26:01
383.   Terry A
From Diamond Leung's blog: "Dodgers coach Larry Bowa ... (once) had umpire Ed Montague force Cardinals pitcher Julian Tavarez to change hats after suspecting there might be a foreign substance on it. Tony La Russa responded by having Phillies slugger Pat Burrell checked out and confiscated by the umpires."

Burrell's a pretty big guy. Must have taken the whole umpiring crew to confiscate him.

2008-04-02 11:27:32
384.   Xeifrank
381. I am not a weatherman, I just pretend to be one on message boards. :) It sounds like from the NOAA discussion that the storm is not as strong as once first thought, but that it is still going to rain and probably during the game. It sounds like it might be light enough to play through. Could be a sloppy game and an uncomfortable one to sit through. Bring your rain pancho and some warm clothes. Here is the NOAA weather discussion forum link, they update it every 2-3 hours or so. Last update was at 1048am.
http://tinyurl.com/7ljxt
vr, Xei
2008-04-02 11:31:31
385.   Bluebleeder87
I think it will be sprinkles like the other day at the colesium
2008-04-02 11:32:13
386.   LogikReader
384

Thanks for the update, by the way, Xei.

The upside to this scenario is: quick lines at the Dodger Dog stand!

2008-04-02 11:33:54
387.   LogikReader
My dad and I have been to a lot of interesting games over the years...

We went to a 14 inning game against the Reds back in 2002, and good ol Mike Carlucci announced we'd have the very "untraditional" 14th inning stretch.

It was gold! Right after that, the Dodgers won.

2008-04-02 11:37:01
388.   Jon Weisman
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117983342.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

NBC confirmed it will bring back Friday Night Lights in the winter - when a spinoff of The Office will also premiere.

2008-04-02 11:37:29
389.   Telemachos
FWIW, a friend of mine who's a huge Yankee fan thinks Larry Bowa is a fantastic third base coach -- "the best in baseball" -- and that it's a big boost to the Dodgers to have him. Some Yankee players have mentioned how helpful Bowa was when they were baserunners.

Admittedly, I have no way to confirm any of this.

2008-04-02 11:38:33
390.   TheDictator
351
Sorry it has taken me so long to respond. I am not a believer in the binary opposition between passion vs. statistic performance. Passion in and of itself does not make one a better ballplayer. On the other hand, neither does emotionless performance make one more consistent.

My argument does not come as a baseball analyst. I am speaking as a fan. I have also made the point, rather jokingly, in other posts that growing up in Ohio has made me fond of players like Rose and tirades like the ones Bowa just put on.

I think we both agree that we enjoy watching games in which the players seem to enjoy themselves playing. But as a personal preference, I enjoy watching players like Rose who, at least seem, to hustle and give all out effort. I loved watching Kirk Gibson. My passion as a fan draws me to those players. I am not making an argument that this passion makes them better players or that they contribute more to the team. I am saying that I personally find them more enjoyable to watch.

After all, baseball is a business. Does it really hurt to give a certain sector of fans what they want every once in a while?

If you want to debate the merit of measuring performance that is fine. But please understand that my position is not based on the claim that passion equals better baseball. I just think passionate players are more fun to watch.

2008-04-02 11:39:00
391.   Bob Timmermann
I don't need xeifrank to know which way the wind blows.
2008-04-02 11:41:44
392.   LogikReader
Royals 2
Team that scores 1000 runs 0

6th inning

2008-04-02 11:42:18
393.   Xeifrank
391. Bob! Welcome back. 2-0 KC leads over Detroit. I will let you take it from there, with the game updates and quick witty comments. By the way ex-Dodger Brett Butler with a big double in that game. :)
vr, Xei
2008-04-02 11:42:45
394.   Bob Timmermann
392
But Brian Bannister is pitching. And he knows what pfX means!
2008-04-02 11:43:25
395.   Xeifrank
394. Quick witty comment count: 1
Team that scores 1000 runs: 0
Go Bob!
vr, Xei
2008-04-02 11:45:32
396.   Jon Weisman
I started a new thread for the heck of it.
2008-04-02 11:47:41
397.   Terry A
Jon started a thread just to watch an old one die.
2008-04-02 11:47:46
398.   Indiana Jon
351 Don't forget the thrid category of players. The on that inlcudes Bill Lee, Al Hrabosky and Mark Fidrych. So now we have the passionless, the fire burning, and the nuts. My favorite to watch are the nuts.
2008-04-02 11:48:12
399.   Reddog
I'll be at the game tonight. I hope the rain holds off, but it does look like I'm going to get a bit wet.

With Lincecum pitching, i wouldn't be surprised if Torre sits Kemp again and starts Pierre. I sure hope not, though.

Looks like a pitcher's duel. Hope Bills is on, I have a feeling Lincecum is going to be.

2008-04-02 11:50:26
400.   GMac In The 909
374 Old Yeller sure was foaming at the mouth last night.
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2008-04-02 14:11:18
401.   TopCat
391 Haha... And the pump don't work 'cause the vandals took the handles.
2008-04-02 15:47:13
402.   clash1
aargh. Cronyism, not nepotism.
2008-04-02 18:43:34
403.   William Tsai
Deuces were wilder, the score was 2-2, and it was the second game of the season.

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