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Autograph Away
2008-04-11 18:57
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Consumer advocate T.J. Simers wins one for the riff. And the raff.

After that, could bringing back Cool-a-Coos be so hard?

* * *

Nomar Garciaparra will begin his rehabilitation assignment Saturday with Las Vegas 51s in Sacramento, Tony Jackson tells us in his new-look blog.

* * *

Padres at Dodgers, 7:40 p.m.

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2008-04-11 19:01:44
1.   alex 7
not sure if you want that "would" in the second line, Jon.
2008-04-11 19:02:07
2.   D4P
Meanwhile, J.D. Drew has 1 fewer homerun than the Dodgers.
2008-04-11 19:04:25
3.   dzzrtRatt
bottom of the ninth in fenway, typing this with frozen fingers... Wang pitching a gem. Drew's homer the only hit til Crisp just bunted his way on.
2008-04-11 19:07:25
4.   alex 7
to undue the bad karma of starting the game thread with a grammar police post, let me state that Jake Peavy is reeeeeeally good and would Cy Young proud. It seems we neeeeever hit him. He is also a ridiculous bargain and beats us despite having a putrid offense. He probably smells great too, and donates to charity, despite being underpaid. We have zero chance against him, especially with our lack of power.

I can't IMAGINE Pierre getting a few dinky hits, stealing a base, having Martin belt a double or two, and limiting their offense to just a few silly singles. NO CHANCE of that.

2008-04-11 19:08:13
5.   ToyCannon
About time they gave Tony a decent look.

CC and Oswalt continue to look very Tomkish in the early going. Unlike hitters, consecutive games like that will take a while to put in the rear view mirror stat wise.

2008-04-11 19:10:49
6.   ToyCannon
4
Sounds like a win for us.

Just hearing that Longoria is going to be playing Saturday has put me in a very good mood. Thank you Mr. Aybar.

2008-04-11 19:14:45
7.   Marty
Tony has a new look alright. It won't let me into the comments and every other time I click I get a different picture of Tony. One time it's the hideous hawaiin shirt, the next he's got a van dyke.
2008-04-11 19:16:32
8.   El Lay Dave
It's a buggy new look. The permalinks all point to the same place, the comment links don't work and in some pictures there's a tarantula on Tony's chin.
2008-04-11 19:16:57
9.   D4P
Have we been given any message from the team/media/etc. regarding how the team is different under Torre's leadership than under Grittle's? I'm not sure I can see any difference thus far...
2008-04-11 19:17:22
10.   El Lay Dave
Geez - or what Marty said.
2008-04-11 19:18:09
11.   Neal Pollack
D4P, I must agree. Looks to me like same crap, different year. So far.
2008-04-11 19:18:29
12.   El Lay Dave
9 JP actually sat two entire games.
2008-04-11 19:19:31
13.   regfairfield
Grady was passive, Torre is stoic.
2008-04-11 19:23:02
14.   Eric Enders
At least The Streak ended.
2008-04-11 19:24:15
15.   berkowit28
Furcal, SS
Pierre, LF
Ethier, RF
Kent, 2B
Loney, 1B
Martin, C
Jones, CF
DeWitt, 3B
Penny, P

For chrissake. No Kemp. Pierre and Jones. They don't want to win.

2008-04-11 19:24:45
16.   Bluebleeder87
new blog same shirt...
2008-04-11 19:24:54
17.   Who Is Karim Garcia
6

Thanks for the heads up, I just nabbed him in both my keeper leagues.

2008-04-11 19:25:37
18.   D4P
I don't think it's unreasonable to conjecture that Grittle would have used some kind of 4-way platoon as well. It seems unlikely he would have benched any of the four outfielders.

I guess I'm just waiting for Torre's "winning ways" to rub off on the team.

2008-04-11 19:27:00
19.   jasonungar07
Torre looks better on TV than Grady.
2008-04-11 19:29:06
20.   D4P
Does Torre even get you a discount at JiffyLube...?
2008-04-11 19:30:11
21.   jasonungar07
Pierre (.200 6 for 20)
Ethier (.136 3 for 22)
Jones (.056 1 for 18)
Kemp (Never Faced)

vs Peavy.

2008-04-11 19:31:13
22.   D4P
Kemp (Never Faced)

And never will.

2008-04-11 19:31:38
23.   Neal Pollack
Well, Kemp is batting .000.

six for 20 is .300. Which explains why Pierre is in there. I always found those kinds of numbers meaningless.

2008-04-11 19:33:48
24.   Jimmy B
I remember Steve Mason talking about this with Jamie McCourt right before the season started. But evidently Cool-a-Coos went out of business according to A. Martinez. Sorry.
2008-04-11 19:36:24
25.   Jimmy B
Hmmm. It's a warm night so I'm hoping to see some long balls. Also the last time it was this warm when Peavy and Penny started at Dodger Stadium was on 9/18/06.
2008-04-11 19:36:25
26.   Jon Weisman
Thank you for not ...

8) making the same point over and over again

2008-04-11 19:37:04
27.   trainwreck
We could ship you guys It's It, even though I read they are not as good as a Cool-a-Coo.
2008-04-11 19:37:34
28.   Ken Noe
Diamond Leung: "I don't think he [Kemp] has to prove anything," Torre said. "If I don't have Juan Pierre on the bench, he would be in there. With a guy like Peavy, you are not concerned about how far you hit it, but how often you hit it."

Me: "Argghh."

2008-04-11 19:38:02
29.   Jimmy B
Oh man. I love It's It. The mint flavor was so good.
2008-04-11 19:42:24
30.   Neal Pollack
Juan Pierre is a master hypnotist. It's the only way to explain the organizational brainwash. How OFTEN you hit it? Give me a break. You hit it once, softly in the air to left field.
2008-04-11 19:44:28
31.   Jimmy B
Penny looks like he has his command tonight.
2008-04-11 19:46:18
32.   al bundy
It's great to see Little back in his rightful place as manager of the Dodgers.
2008-04-11 19:46:49
33.   El Lay Dave
23 He typoed; it's 6-30 for JP.

More fun with small sample sizes. The current Dodger roster has a combined 232 PAs, career, against Peavy. The combined batting line is:
.175 / .235 / .311 / .546

Thanks to baseball-reference.com, of course.

2008-04-11 19:47:26
34.   regfairfield
I do think you need to cut Torre some slack here. The mere fact that he's willing to bench Pierre and his contract at all is more than most managers would do.
2008-04-11 19:49:24
35.   Gen3Blue
I expect we may still have a rough patch to get through, but I have been repressing myself to limit the pessimism.
But I have Vin again tonight, and I am blessed by that beyond most things.

Oh, I just saw Pierre in left.

2008-04-11 19:51:14
36.   Vaudeville Villain
After so many years of managerical incompetence, I'm surprised so many fans can't see how relatively good we have it that Torre is at least willing to bench Pierre occasionally.
2008-04-11 19:55:19
37.   KAYVMON
Is there any way Loney outproduces A Gonzalez this year?

Juan is not even the slappiest guy on the team.

2008-04-11 19:56:21
38.   Gen3Blue
Here's one of the few places where a guy like Pierre can shine.
2008-04-11 19:56:31
39.   dianagramr
27 28

I'm a New Yawka .... could you educate me on this stuff?

2008-04-11 19:56:39
40.   alex 7
there's one of his two hits.
2008-04-11 19:56:55
41.   KAYVMON
36 Do you know why the Danes are the happiest people in the world? Its not because their women are hot. Its becuase they have low expectations.

Im for Mr. McPopup bunting here.

2008-04-11 19:57:06
42.   Jimmy B
Wow. That's a good way of disrupting Peavy.
2008-04-11 19:57:27
43.   Indiana Jon
Great. I come home just in time to catch the game and then I see that good ole Grady Torre has Juan back in the lineup and batting second.

Andrew, is there any room in the D-Backs camp? They really seem to know how to put good players on the field.

2008-04-11 19:57:40
44.   Neal Pollack
Pierre rules! Torre is a genius!
2008-04-11 19:57:51
45.   dianagramr
You'll be happy to know I picked up Ethier as an FA in my fantasy league.
2008-04-11 19:58:03
46.   Jimmy B
I'm looking for Ethier to go Earl Weaver here.
2008-04-11 19:58:52
47.   alex 7
Peavy is up in the zone early. Well, up and all around, but the up part is best. Dis is good. Jones AND Martin will go long?
2008-04-11 19:59:26
48.   madmac
nice
2008-04-11 19:59:28
49.   El Lay Dave
37 2008 thus far.
Loney: .364 .421 .515
Gonzalez: .310 .356 .500

AG had 7 more PAs and one more HR.

2008-04-11 20:00:13
50.   alex 7
good time for Pierre to steal 3rd here with a slow delivery guy throwing it all over the place.
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2008-04-11 20:00:48
51.   KAYVMON
We have a first-inning lead! Its been too long.
2008-04-11 20:01:09
52.   Who Is Karim Garcia
45 I drafted him late.
2008-04-11 20:01:58
53.   dianagramr
Maybe Peavy is missing that smudge? :-)
2008-04-11 20:01:58
54.   alex 7
dang it. Pierre didn't score on a hit to left.
2008-04-11 20:02:20
55.   Jimmy B
Will it be Loney to go Earl Weaver?
2008-04-11 20:02:29
56.   Neal Pollack
Why would Pierre hesitate there? He is not a good baserunner.
2008-04-11 20:02:31
57.   Ken Noe
52 He's my left fielder :-)
2008-04-11 20:03:13
58.   alex 7
huge at bat for Loney here. Against Peavy, i bet 2-0 with 1st and 3rd, one out is a huge increase in win expectancy over getting out of the inning with just 1 run.
2008-04-11 20:03:22
59.   El Lay Dave
51 Opening Day, to be exact.
2008-04-11 20:04:13
60.   dianagramr
51

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/inning_summary.cgi?year_game=2008&team_id=LAD

2008-04-11 20:04:18
61.   Neal Pollack
Lost second run brought to you by Juan Pierre.
2008-04-11 20:04:21
62.   Vaudeville Villain
At least we got one.
2008-04-11 20:04:53
63.   saltcreek
45. I picked him up to. Im in a NL only league and also have Furcal, Kent, Kuroda, and Saito. Im to much of a homer in fantasy, but its paying off alright.
2008-04-11 20:04:57
64.   MMSMikey
what exactly was james doing swinging at those 2 pitches on his knuckles?
2008-04-11 20:05:21
65.   KAYVMON
"Dodgers Banking" - Really? The Dodgers aren't exactly known for being good at investing their money.
2008-04-11 20:06:28
66.   Jimmy B
So Lakers leading 30-14 against the Hornets in the 1st.
2008-04-11 20:07:33
67.   alex 7
diamondbacks up 5-1 :(
2008-04-11 20:07:45
68.   Sam in SC
Thank GOD that the Az announcer guys are no longer tormenting me.

ahhh. I have Vin. life is good, even if we didn't have a one run lead.

2008-04-11 20:09:33
69.   Ken Noe
63 Yeah. same here. I ended up with Loney, Furcal, Kemp, Ethier, Jones, Bills, Kuroda, and Penny. And of course, I'm already a game out.
2008-04-11 20:10:39
70.   KAYVMON
68 I was about to say the same thing. A whole workweek with the AZ guys was just cruel.

I do find it interesting that Vin would go all that way to figure out what the name Khalil means, but then completely mispronounce it.

2008-04-11 20:11:43
71.   mannyman
Wow...Hits Pierre in the wrong place...
2008-04-11 20:12:39
72.   Sam in SC
i don't miss hofffman as our third base coach, by the way.
2008-04-11 20:13:15
73.   Sam in SC
71 now THAT was funny
2008-04-11 20:13:19
74.   Indiana Jon
71
*Wow...Hits Pierre in the wrong place...

in the field?

2008-04-11 20:14:28
75.   Who Is Karim Garcia
69
I picked up Ethier, Saito, Kuroda, Loney and Martin. I passed over Kemp for Sheffield.
2008-04-11 20:15:40
76.   alex 7
I wonder what Hoffman's and Russell's successful head coaching interviews with the Dodgers were like.
2008-04-11 20:17:59
77.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I'm more interested in Tracy's. Of course, I'm sure he asked and answered all the questions himself.
2008-04-11 20:18:06
78.   Frip
RE: Pierre

I just want to say that I gave way too much credit to Torre for having a brain a few weeks ago. I even gave him credit for being intelligently self-interested, in that I assumed he'd favor Kemp over Pierre. I was wrong. Torre is simply thick. New York was right.

2008-04-11 20:18:16
79.   StolenMonkey86
at least he got the DP. But man, Penny's pitch count is an inning ahead of where it should be.
2008-04-11 20:19:50
80.   bablue
Penny is sooo rustrating to watch pitch. Every time he gets ahead he can't throw a strike. Then when he gets a 3=0 count he throws 2 more strikes then walks Bard anyways.

Oh a DP nice!!! Okay he needed that. Gotta keep the pitch count low.

ALso from the previous thread someone asked if MLB guys pay for anything. Well I just happened to talk to Kevin Fransden last year and he said the pay clubhouse dues daily that are about $45. So they do have to pay for the food they get at the games. They can get like anything they want though.

2008-04-11 20:20:23
81.   Indiana Jon
78 It seems we've rehired Grady and given him a substantial pay raise. The only difference is that Grady actually stayed awake in the dugout.
2008-04-11 20:20:31
82.   StolenMonkey86
78 - I've gotta agree with Regfairfield on this though; Pierre hasn't sat a game out since 2002.
2008-04-11 20:21:11
83.   Jimmy B
Way to go Russell!!! Great double!
2008-04-11 20:21:23
84.   MollyKnight
YES.
2008-04-11 20:21:34
85.   StolenMonkey86
81 - Grady was also funnier.
2008-04-11 20:22:31
86.   Sam in SC
penny always has one bad inning in which he makes a zillion pitches. sometimes he also gives up a ton of runs, sometimes not.
2008-04-11 20:23:11
87.   Jimmy B
I'm surprised Andruw hasn't swung on those bad pitches.
2008-04-11 20:23:18
88.   Sam in SC
82 he sat out opening day.
2008-04-11 20:23:21
89.   Jimmy B
I take that back.
2008-04-11 20:24:15
90.   Who Is Karim Garcia
Torre looks like Abe Vigoda.
2008-04-11 20:24:23
91.   regfairfield
I guess it only took 10 games for Andruw to get booed, not bad for Dodger fans.
2008-04-11 20:25:04
92.   StolenMonkey86
88 - yes. I actually meant to say "until this season." I thought it, but it turns out that doesn't count.
2008-04-11 20:25:31
93.   Noel
I'm in a 12-team NL-only fantasy league. I have Martin, Furcal, Loney and Ethier. As the Dodgers go, so goes my team. Its swoon coincided with that sweep by Arizona. Oh, I also have Billingsley.
2008-04-11 20:25:32
94.   Who Is Karim Garcia
I say DeFault comes up with a hit...
2008-04-11 20:27:11
95.   Sam in SC
JEEEZ!!

can we have hoffman back???

2008-04-11 20:27:30
96.   Jimmy B
Why did Russell go home? Anyone could see there was no way he was going to beat the throw.
2008-04-11 20:27:30
97.   Indiana Jon
First Torre acts like Grady, now the windmill must be back too!
2008-04-11 20:28:24
98.   Jimmy B
Lakers 57-30 in the 2nd.
2008-04-11 20:28:36
99.   bablue
Another Druw at bat were he completely collapses his back side and wave at a ball. As a former Braves fan I can tell you he was never this bad until last year. He always swung at low and away breaking pitches but he at least took decent swings. He would also crush almost any mistake. All we can do at this point is pray for him to figure it out.

And what is Bowa doing????? What a terrible decision to wave Russ. He was out by 30 feet!!! At least were getting Peavy's pitch count up, but could of added more there.

2008-04-11 20:29:10
100.   MMSMikey
2 outs, you should send the runner. make them make a play. hairston made a good throw. it happens.
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2008-04-11 20:29:54
101.   Indiana Jon
100 You should only send the runner if he has a prayer.
2008-04-11 20:30:01
102.   scareduck
The new look blog has broken permalinks.
2008-04-11 20:30:54
103.   NorCal-Dodger
Get upset at Jones and DeWitt, not being able to move the runner over to third....it was a good throw from Bard.
2008-04-11 20:31:43
104.   MMSMikey
101

so you are saying we need two hits to score a runner from 2nd. Why not be agressive and push the envelope. If hairston makes a bad throw or bard bobbles we score, you never know. the left fielder isnt going to make a perfect throw like that everytime.

2008-04-11 20:33:00
105.   NorCal-Dodger
I meant Hairston
2008-04-11 20:33:04
106.   Sam in SC
It's my fault.

I said something tacky about hoffman, and bowa immediately does something boneheaded.

2008-04-11 20:34:20
107.   Jimmy B
Well the only issue I have is that Hairston wasn't that deep in the outfield when he made that throw home. When I saw the hit, I didn't think it would be a scoring hit.

It's one thing to be aggressive. It's another thing to be reckless.

2008-04-11 20:35:25
108.   OhioBlues12
I like the aggressiveness there, if that throw is up the first base line or it gets airmailed or skips past Bard, then we got a run. Hairston had to make a great throw and he did.
2008-04-11 20:37:35
109.   Eric Enders
I think it was defensible to send him. Furcal's chances of driving in the run are... what?... whatever his expected batting average is. About .285. So if Martin has a better than 28.5% chance of scoring, you send him. Hairston made a perfect throw, which makes the decision easier to criticize in retrospect. Even then, Martin would have been safe if he'd made a good slide, touching the plate with his left hand.
2008-04-11 20:38:59
110.   Zach the Ripper
Quick aside; what a throw from Kent right there. He gave Furcal a great shot at 2.

What I was going to say was actually this; As soon as the camera turned to Giles the majority of us gasped had a better first reaction then Larry Bowa did. 100's of miles away. Furcal is on fire, why not give him that oppurtunity, Bowa?

2008-04-11 20:39:05
111.   Indiana Jon
A great throw was not necessary there. He was out by a mile. He would have been closer if they would have just tried a straight steal of home.
2008-04-11 20:39:14
112.   Jimmy B
Furcal doubles. :)
2008-04-11 20:40:51
113.   MMSMikey
let it go foul! doh!
2008-04-11 20:41:12
114.   Jimmy B
Vin's right. Kouzmanoff should've let it go foul.
2008-04-11 20:41:16
115.   KG16
Dear Juan Pierre,

Please stop trying to bunt the best slider in the majors, you're just going to bounce it off the plate.

On the other hand, that works just as well, I suppose.

Thanks,

KG16

2008-04-11 20:42:00
116.   NorCal-Dodger
Run Juan, Run
2008-04-11 20:42:06
117.   MMSMikey
very unprofessional of peavy to yell at your teamate like that on the field.
2008-04-11 20:42:33
118.   sporky
Our offense! IT LIVES!
2008-04-11 20:42:50
119.   Indiana Jon
117 Peavy yells at everything when he pitches.
2008-04-11 20:43:03
120.   KG16
Andre Ethier does not want Pierre to steal second.
2008-04-11 20:43:12
121.   LogikReader
Hey again, guys,

I have been alerted by txt that the Dodgers are ahead. Go us!!

Meanwhile I've got the Lakers game on, and they really started off great; however I worry if the Hornets cut the lead to less than 20 before the half. Still though, great half!

2008-04-11 20:43:58
122.   Jimmy B
118 Let's not get ahead of ourselves. It has a heartbeat, but until we get score some runs I won't be completely relieved.
2008-04-11 20:44:15
123.   MMSMikey
great at bat by andre
2008-04-11 20:44:16
124.   mannyman
It really looks like Peavy's stuff is significantly diminished from what he showed us last time...

Dare I say the mystery substance on his hand was/is a legitimate factor.

2008-04-11 20:44:22
125.   KG16
I'll take the productive out against Peavy.
2008-04-11 20:44:26
126.   sporky
117 More like barking.
2008-04-11 20:45:45
127.   Jimmy B
124 Nah. I'm very skeptical about the whole substance thing.
2008-04-11 20:46:02
128.   sporky
... bunt? Loney?
2008-04-11 20:46:33
129.   StolenMonkey86
No! Bad! Stupid!! Why is Loney bunting with 2 outs?
2008-04-11 20:46:34
130.   Jimmy B
Squeeze!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My favorite play in all of baseball, although I don't think this is the right situation.
2008-04-11 20:46:40
131.   Indiana Jon
124 Depends. Has he had that substance on there for the last four years?
2008-04-11 20:47:05
132.   KAYVMON
Uh-oh, all this scrappiness is contangious. Lonestar, please just hit the ball hard.
2008-04-11 20:48:52
133.   StolenMonkey86
pitch counts after 3:

Peavy 53
Penny 63

2008-04-11 20:49:02
134.   Zach the Ripper
Why doesn't Pierre useds his speed in a situation like that, when there is a ground ball to third base, when by some miracle he's standing?
I don't really know much about baseball, but can't Pierre at least play chicken with Kouz there, and advance down the third base line to the farthest point his speed will allow him, just in case Kouz calls his bluff there and races toward the bag?
Seriously asking here. Is that just too risky of a baseball move to make?
2008-04-11 20:50:06
135.   KG16
huh, according to gameday, DeWitt weighs less than Pierre, same height too.

Sure doesn't look like it.

2008-04-11 20:52:48
136.   alex 7
I'm a tad bitter that Pierre didn't try to score on that groundball to third. He's the fastest runner on the team. Isn't a groundball to the 3B left side a better shot to take than the Russell prayer?
2008-04-11 20:53:05
137.   StolenMonkey86
According to baseball-reference, Wilson Betemit weights 155.
2008-04-11 20:53:38
138.   Indiana Jon
135 Yahoo says the same. I don't believe it either.
2008-04-11 20:53:40
139.   KG16
137 - that must have been kgs
2008-04-11 20:53:45
140.   alex 7
did they forget to weigh their heads?
2008-04-11 20:55:46
141.   KG16
I really hope that doesn't become a common sight this year
2008-04-11 20:55:58
142.   jujibee
Is it me, or does Andrew Jones have the best instincts of the bat in baseball. He seems to always have a great first step.
2008-04-11 20:57:10
143.   KG16
bit of a gamble by Loney, nice digging it out of the dirt by the Solution
2008-04-11 20:57:12
144.   Jimmy B
Going back to the previous conversation about sending Martin home, if it were Juan Pierre trying to make that throw that Hairston made I would send Martin home.
2008-04-11 20:57:30
145.   MMSMikey
umm, how does peavy go 1st to 3rd right there?
2008-04-11 20:57:32
146.   StolenMonkey86
142 - That's always been his game defensively, good instincts and routes
2008-04-11 20:58:09
147.   sporky
The lead was nice while it lasted.
2008-04-11 20:58:18
148.   Frip
We sucky sucky long time.
2008-04-11 20:58:22
149.   bablue
This is what we get for shooting ourselves in the foot three innings in a row.

135, Dewitt definitely ways more than 175. I'd say 190.

2008-04-11 20:58:29
150.   KG16
145 - because Ethier threw home, no one to cut it off
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2008-04-11 20:58:40
151.   MMSMikey
plastic sheets, brad, plastic sheets.
2008-04-11 21:00:18
152.   bablue
146, Well he used to hve good speed too. Thats why he's not as good anymore defensively. He's still really good though.
2008-04-11 21:00:19
153.   KG16
So, use Kemp to pinch hit for Penny in the bottom of the inning and then hope Pierre makes the last out?
2008-04-11 21:00:41
154.   Marty
Penny is gassed. Pull him
2008-04-11 21:01:24
155.   mannyman
this sucks
2008-04-11 21:01:40
156.   Marty
Penny is so done, you don't need a fork. You could just pull him apart.
2008-04-11 21:01:40
157.   Frip
For a good athlete Giles sure runs like a dork.
2008-04-11 21:02:13
158.   OhioBlues12
Even when we get to Peavy somewhat, we are still going to lose.
2008-04-11 21:03:16
159.   KG16
This is like a Greek tragedy, only worse because there's no deus de machina we can call on
2008-04-11 21:04:35
160.   Jimmy B
If we can get to the Padres bullpen, we'll be in good shape.
2008-04-11 21:04:49
161.   mannyman
Lakers up 18 with 10 left in the third...at least somethings going well tonight
2008-04-11 21:05:07
162.   StolenMonkey86
all right, 50 pitch inning right here!
2008-04-11 21:05:49
163.   JoeyP
Penny just got singled to death.
His fastball had very little movement tonight according to gameday.
2008-04-11 21:06:07
164.   Jimmy B
161 The Hornets went on a 14-2 run. The Lakers were up by 26 in the 2nd.
2008-04-11 21:07:00
165.   Frip
Why would anyone go with an insurance company like Aflac that is too cheap to create a new commercial for the new season. If they're that cheap, they're sure to nickel & dime their clients.

Besides that Yogi barber shop commercial is the dumbest commercial in 3 years. Even old dudes don't think it's funny.

2008-04-11 21:08:25
166.   MMSMikey
just throws sliders away to this guy
2008-04-11 21:09:21
167.   Jimmy B
I find it really sad that Druw swings at pitches that even pitchers don't swing at.
2008-04-11 21:10:37
168.   immouch
not to get overly technical, but andrew jones is collapsing his base. his right leg buckles on every swing.
2008-04-11 21:10:41
169.   mannyman
Jones is pathetic. At this point, he's an easier out than Pierre.
2008-04-11 21:10:49
170.   sporky
Hey, he didn't strike out!
2008-04-11 21:11:03
171.   immouch
plus he's fat.
2008-04-11 21:12:54
172.   immouch
man, we're not pinch hitting for penny here? against peavy?
2008-04-11 21:12:57
173.   Frip
Pointless use of good WHO song...again.
2008-04-11 21:13:14
174.   MMSMikey
sad part is that was one of andruws harder hit balls of the year.
2008-04-11 21:13:34
175.   regfairfield
173 It's Penny's song this year.
2008-04-11 21:13:36
176.   Jimmy B
Hornets on a 27-6 run. Down by only 7 points.
2008-04-11 21:13:36
177.   Marty
Genius. Now Penny will get one out next inning and be pulled anyway.
2008-04-11 21:13:48
178.   KAYVMON
If Penny doesn't get through the next inning, which chances are he wont, Im going to be mad at Grady.
2008-04-11 21:13:52
179.   mannyman
I know the pen is taxed but I really think Penny should have come out there. We need runs and Penny is not getting the job done on the mount.
2008-04-11 21:14:41
180.   StolenMonkey86
178 - He goes by Joe.
2008-04-11 21:14:48
181.   nofatmike
To be fair, Jones is making pitcher's work. He's fourth on the team with a 4.20 P/PA.
2008-04-11 21:15:09
182.   mannyman
Thanks Jimmy B,

It's turning into a bad night all around.

2008-04-11 21:15:26
183.   sporky
At this point, I just hope Loney gets a hit.
2008-04-11 21:15:47
184.   Frip
179

That's cute if you really think it's called a "mount".

2008-04-11 21:16:03
185.   Jimmy B
Sorry. I just write what I see.
2008-04-11 21:16:52
186.   alex 7
181 - it's not like Jones is TRYING to make pitchers work. He's just swinging and missing enough times to prolong his at bat :)
2008-04-11 21:16:53
187.   mannyman
Typo Frip, Typo
2008-04-11 21:19:04
188.   nofatmike
186 That makes no sense whatsoever.
2008-04-11 21:19:12
189.   mannyman
This should be Penny's last inning, no?
2008-04-11 21:21:26
190.   regfairfield
188 It makes perfect sense, it takes three pitches to strike out.
2008-04-11 21:21:33
191.   mannyman
Nice pick Blake.
2008-04-11 21:22:12
192.   nofatmike
190 Yeah, but then we'd be praising Pierre for never striking out.
2008-04-11 21:22:17
193.   KAYVMON
180 Maybe, but tonight he introduced himself as Grady.
2008-04-11 21:27:25
194.   MMSMikey
stupid outs on the bases, just kills everything, goodbye 5th inning.
2008-04-11 21:27:42
195.   bablue
Unbelievable. We just don't want to win this game.
2008-04-11 21:27:55
196.   Jimmy B
This game is getting uglier with each passing inning.
2008-04-11 21:28:56
197.   Frip
Something about that inning just did not bode well for the season.
2008-04-11 21:29:36
198.   Indiana Jon
I'm just too tired tonight to keep watching Joe and Juan. I'm heading to bed, but I've set the TIVO so I don't miss the best bench player in the league pinch hitting and winning the game for us later.
2008-04-11 21:30:54
199.   Frip
I think Vin looks even better this year than last. He may have lost a few pounds. Or maybe it's just early in the season.
2008-04-11 21:32:58
200.   fanerman
I'm guessing this is Penny's last inning.
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2008-04-11 21:38:44
201.   JoeyP
119 pitches for Penny..
2008-04-11 21:41:07
202.   fanerman
Yeah that's a lot of pitches.
2008-04-11 21:42:10
203.   mannyman
gone
2008-04-11 21:42:16
204.   sporky
YESS!!
2008-04-11 21:42:43
205.   JT Dutch
... Score another homer for the most consistent hitter on the team.
2008-04-11 21:43:14
206.   mannyman
We really need to knock Peavy out this inning
2008-04-11 21:43:30
207.   fanerman
I love James.
2008-04-11 21:43:34
208.   KAYVMON
Lonestar bringing the team back into the game all by himself!
2008-04-11 21:43:53
209.   Ricardo
Our best hitter.
2008-04-11 21:43:53
210.   tjdub
All together now....

LOOONESTAAAAARRRRR!!!!

2008-04-11 21:44:12
211.   mannyman
There we go...
2008-04-11 21:44:43
212.   MMSMikey
here we go andruw, right man in the right spot.
2008-04-11 21:45:08
213.   Ricardo
That would be a good time to Andruw rebound.
2008-04-11 21:45:32
214.   silverwidow
Andruw looks flat out HIDEOUS.
2008-04-11 21:46:11
215.   JT Dutch
... Lean into that, Jones. You might get on base for a change.
2008-04-11 21:46:34
216.   mannyman
slider low and outside
2008-04-11 21:47:02
217.   JT Dutch
... Wow, the boooooooooos rain long and loud.
2008-04-11 21:47:10
218.   silverwidow
People just hate this guy already. He's like Tomko.
2008-04-11 21:47:13
219.   Jimmy B
and the boos ensue.
2008-04-11 21:47:57
220.   Ricardo
That slider he chased was totally out of the zone.
2008-04-11 21:48:04
221.   Jimmy B
Well that might confuse Andruw. He thinks they're saying, "DRUUUUUUUWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW".
2008-04-11 21:48:17
222.   regfairfield
218 I think we just hated Tomko initially. He got off to a good start.
2008-04-11 21:48:25
223.   MMSMikey
c'mon blake need a better at bat than that.
2008-04-11 21:48:37
224.   Jimmy B
Lawler's Law. Lakers first to 100.
2008-04-11 21:49:02
225.   bhsportsguy
Its not like he's the only guy struggling, I just think its in fashion to boo but I still don't like booing your own players.
2008-04-11 21:49:39
226.   bablue
218,

Can't really blame them. He doesn't even look like he belongs in the big leagues. 18 million oughta get you more than that.

2008-04-11 21:49:46
227.   cargill06
there is no doubt in my mind that our best OF right now is pierre ethier kemp

whoever thinks andruw is just in a "slump" is just in denial. he may have a few good months like last year, but he'll be hovering around a .700 OPS all year long. why can we never make a good FA signing it's so annoying.

2008-04-11 21:50:31
228.   bhsportsguy
226 I guess he is supposed to hit HRs in every game.
2008-04-11 21:52:30
229.   Jimmy B
228 At this point I'm willing to settle for a hit every now and again.
2008-04-11 21:52:55
230.   trainwreck
I'm late to the party, but...

Loney Booooommmmbbb!!!

2008-04-11 21:53:24
231.   regfairfield
I'm on the Jason Kendall for MVP bandwagon.
2008-04-11 21:53:32
232.   nofatmike
A notworthy comparison:

Jones's first 37 PA's this year: .118/.189/.147

Betemit's first 37 PA's last year: .071/.243/.107

2008-04-11 21:53:32
233.   jtrichey
Did you know...Brad Penny has given up 24 hits this year in just 3 starts...not good. BUT, all 24 hits have been singles. A few liners in there but alot of dunkers and seeing eye crap to drive us crazy.
2008-04-11 21:54:03
234.   nofatmike
noteworthy*
2008-04-11 21:54:07
235.   Ricardo
Andruw´s slow start reminds me of Wilson Betemit last year.
2008-04-11 21:54:24
236.   silverwidow
I think Andruw will have a similar season to 1991 Rob Deer:

.179/.314/.386 (25 HRs)

2008-04-11 21:55:40
237.   MMSMikey
ugh biemel
2008-04-11 21:58:22
238.   alex 7
this would be the time to bring up the "smokejumper" theory that you bring in one of your best relievers (Broxton) into this high-stakes situation. Proctor...I don't know. You want a strikeout or ground out here.
2008-04-11 21:58:38
239.   trainwreck
I am happy I have Justin Upton on almost all my fantasy teams.
2008-04-11 21:58:40
240.   madmac
227 c'mon don't be like that. what's this "never" garbage. didn't we just go over all the good and so far so good list. I got it, your not a Druw fan let it go and come back after the season and say I told you so.
2008-04-11 21:59:39
241.   alex 7
spooky timing on the two Betemit comments.
2008-04-11 22:00:12
242.   bablue
228,

Nooo I didn't say that. but he should at least have an OPS above .350!!!! If you can't boo his performance so far, what can you boo?

2008-04-11 22:00:21
243.   MMSMikey
1-2 pitch and u hang a slider, nice pitch scott.
2008-04-11 22:00:33
244.   Jimmy B
Lakers win despite absolutely collapsing in the second half.
2008-04-11 22:01:01
245.   mannyman
nice job by Proctor.
2008-04-11 22:01:43
246.   sporky
242 I prefer abstaining from clapping.
2008-04-11 22:01:45
247.   alex 7
so many little, bad managerial decisions.

Russell getting thrown out.
Furcal trying to steal 2nd with no outs and middle of the lineup coming up.
Pierre not being sent on down contact while at 3B with one out.
Penny hitting for himself with runner at 3rd while down 2 runs.

That pierre hesitation on Kent's hit earlier also hurt.

2008-04-11 22:02:09
248.   nofatmike
232 Heck, Drew wasn't much better in his first 37 PA's of 2005: .097/.250/.097
2008-04-11 22:02:42
249.   bhsportsguy
242 I'm of the opinion you never boo at home, but then I try to enjoy myself at games and booing isn't fun for me.
2008-04-11 22:03:54
250.   Ricardo
I don´t know but, in my opinion, that Penny decision wasn´t a bad one because he pitched more two innings.
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2008-04-11 22:04:36
251.   mannyman
But Drew didn't look nearly as bad in his AB's as Jones does.
2008-04-11 22:05:21
252.   dzzrtRatt
235 or David Ortiz this year.
2008-04-11 22:05:31
253.   mannyman
I had fun booing the hell out of Bonds and the Yankees (when they came to town).
2008-04-11 22:05:38
254.   tjdub
The Just for Men commercials make the Aflac commercials look like Citizen Kane
2008-04-11 22:05:57
255.   nofatmike
251 Say that to his haters (there's a lot of them).
2008-04-11 22:06:12
256.   Ricardo
And that was a great opportunity to beat Peavy...
2008-04-11 22:06:55
257.   bhsportsguy
247 1. I think Martin went on his own since I did not see Bowa waving him home.
2. Against the Padres, you have to run, especially when you have Pierre batting.
3. Don't the know, ball was hit sharply, don't know if he makes it.
4. Yeah, but again, you have 5 more consecutive games and you just can't keep burning up your pen.
2008-04-11 22:07:30
258.   mannyman
Come on guys, we have 8 outs to get at the Pads bullpen...lets go RAFFY!
2008-04-11 22:07:35
259.   Jon Weisman
247 - Two of the five things you mentioned were managerial decisions.
2008-04-11 22:08:24
260.   alex 7
wasted at bat!!! you're down 2!
2008-04-11 22:08:27
261.   Ricardo
On the bright side, Joe Tatcher was the guy that gave up the game to the Dodgers last Friday.
2008-04-11 22:08:46
262.   nofatmike
God Bless Rafael Furcal.
2008-04-11 22:09:08
263.   JT Dutch
249

... I don't think the booing is targeted specifically at Jones as much as it's being targeted at the Dodgers' penchant for signing over-priced and frankly unneeded outfielders like Jones and Pierre. It's just a buildup of frustration and I understand it completely.

2008-04-11 22:09:24
264.   Jimmy B
So Furcal is a HR shy of hitting for the cycle? Wow.
2008-04-11 22:09:44
265.   bhsportsguy
260 For Juan Pierre to drive in a run, that is not a wasted at bat, for anyone else, yes.
2008-04-11 22:10:11
266.   alex 7
sorry jon :) was thinking "coaching" decisions. Placing a stop sign on Furcal at 1st base would have been my decision as a coach.
2008-04-11 22:10:16
267.   KG16
where's Bob, we need a determination on our standing.
2008-04-11 22:10:29
268.   bablue
Okay but just because you don't like booing doesn't mean no one else should boo.

Shouldn't the Bison PH for Slappy here??? Seeing as its a lefty pitching and all.
Don't really understand the bunt unless he as just trying to get on.

Speaking of pinch-hitters, has Delwyn hit the ball out of the infield this year? He seems to be struggling to hit as well.

2008-04-11 22:10:36
269.   MMSMikey
if proctor doesnt hang that slider to greene and gets the strikeout, like he should have. we are tied.
2008-04-11 22:10:42
270.   fanerman
Orange? I'm gonna guess orange.
2008-04-11 22:10:42
271.   regfairfield
263 How was Jones unneeded? The other option was Pierre.
2008-04-11 22:11:10
272.   sporky
Those Wienershnitzel chili dogs look absolutely foul.
2008-04-11 22:11:15
273.   silverwidow
Furcal putting up MVP numbers.

I bet he can smell the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

2008-04-11 22:11:23
274.   bhsportsguy
263 So Andruw Jones is supposed to feel good because they are not booing him but poor front office decisions?

I don't think the people that are booing think that way.

2008-04-11 22:11:32
275.   alex 7
you don't ever HAVE to run on anyone. The situation should dictate it. Leadoff hit with 2-3-4 coming up and down 2 runs doesn't seem like a good time to try a steal. What are you worried about, Pierre grounding into two?
2008-04-11 22:11:58
276.   Ricardo
269. I´d put the blame on Beimel, Proctor at least didn´t give up more runs.
2008-04-11 22:12:32
277.   KG16
270 - I would suspect either Orange or Yellow, but we need a ruling from the good folks in Thief River Falls
2008-04-11 22:13:31
278.   Sam in SC
I hate drama in the late innings.
2008-04-11 22:14:11
279.   alex 7
if Pierre was good at bunting his way on, then that decision on his part would make sense. But he's not. At least swinging the bat he's a .280 hitter most of the time. I think that was a good time to pinch hit Kemp (down 2, left hander pitching).
2008-04-11 22:14:22
280.   Jimmy B
275 Yes. :)
2008-04-11 22:14:59
281.   KG16
275 - and if the hitter makes contact, the odds are the runner will be on third (or have scored). It's not really that bad of a play call... other than letting Pierre be the hitter
2008-04-11 22:15:01
282.   KAYVMON
Two options:

A. The guy is getting paid 9 million dollars and he wont even try to get a hit.

B. The guy is getting paid 4 million dollars and he thinks we should give up outs when we are losing in the 7th inning.

I honestly dont know which is worth. Ignorance is bliss so Im going with:

C. He was trying to bunt for a hit and the second baseman made a great play.

2008-04-11 22:15:29
283.   MMSMikey
276.

It was mostly beimels fault u are right. but you got khalil greene up there who strikes out a ton, in a 1-2 count, you want a slider way off the plate or in the dirt, and he just flips a little hanger right over the middle, sac fly, 5th run for the padres. hes gotta get the K right there.

2008-04-11 22:15:45
284.   bhsportsguy
271 It is a small sample but Dewitt is a better 3B than advertised or am I crazy?

Actually, those are unrelated questions.

2008-04-11 22:17:53
285.   regfairfield
284 Defensively, or overall?
2008-04-11 22:18:16
286.   silverwidow
I would give Furcal 4/$62M right now. He's worth it.
2008-04-11 22:18:26
287.   bhsportsguy
284 Defensively.
2008-04-11 22:18:39
288.   bablue
Also don't like the decision to itchout with such a patient hitter up and Troncoso having some control issues.
2008-04-11 22:18:52
289.   alex 7
checked the russell being thrown out play again, and Bowa did wave him in.
2008-04-11 22:19:49
290.   Sam in SC
has anyone noticed that troncoso has long arms from the elbow to the knuckles?
2008-04-11 22:19:51
291.   regfairfield
287 I like what I've seen so far but I need to see more to get an idea of his range.
2008-04-11 22:20:11
292.   Ricardo
286. Furcal and Sheets, that´d be nice.
2008-04-11 22:21:20
293.   MMSMikey
ugh ugh ugh
2008-04-11 22:21:22
294.   Sam in SC
dang
2008-04-11 22:21:39
295.   madmac
284 sure seems like it. you figure out which one I'm answering :)

but yeah, DeWitt has been nice

2008-04-11 22:23:06
296.   bablue
292,

How about Sabathia?

2008-04-11 22:23:15
297.   Sam in SC
kemp, loney, martin come up in the bottom half . . .
2008-04-11 22:23:30
298.   Bluebleeder87
Aguchi is a smart hitter man, no luck there, he just knows how to hit in certain situations.
2008-04-11 22:23:37
299.   alex 7
Saito hasn't pitched in 5 days. Would think he could have been brought into either the high leverage situation in the 7th or down 1 in the 8th.
2008-04-11 22:24:26
300.   MMSMikey
this is ridiculous
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2008-04-11 22:25:01
301.   Sam in SC
PARK CHAN HO!!1!!

warming

2008-04-11 22:25:10
302.   mannyman
why are we going to use CHan Ho Park in the 8th inning of a tight ballgame???
2008-04-11 22:25:25
303.   alex 7
game over
2008-04-11 22:25:49
304.   regfairfield
Okay, can we not boo the rookie who's allowed only weak ground balls?
2008-04-11 22:25:54
305.   MMSMikey
its one thing if the padres were a good offensive team, but watching them get cheap hits all night just makes me sick.
2008-04-11 22:26:11
306.   silverwidow
So, how long before the Tron is sent away from Ghame Over?
2008-04-11 22:26:34
307.   Bluebleeder87
Keep your chin up Troncoso your doing a good job, some of those hits had eyes...
2008-04-11 22:26:34
308.   JT Dutch
271

... I would have given Young a chance to play in LF, with Kemp in center and Ethier in right.

274

... Most of the people I talk to at the Stadium do indeed think that way. And I honestly couldn't care less if a guy who hasn't done a thing offensively is "feeling good".

2008-04-11 22:26:51
309.   JoeyP
The Troncoso experiment needs to end.
2008-04-11 22:26:54
310.   Sam in SC
I have been sick since the 6th
2008-04-11 22:27:05
311.   MMSMikey
how did that dribbler by edmonds not find a hole.
2008-04-11 22:27:53
312.   Gen3Blue
Thank god I fell asleep. How's your line-up doing now Joe? I'd be optimistic if I was a raw pitcher in the D's organization.
2008-04-11 22:27:57
313.   mannyman
I can't believe this type of game(1 run deficit in the 8th inning) is going to end without at least one of our 2 best relievers pitching in critical situations.
2008-04-11 22:27:59
314.   Sam in SC
the tronsco experiment is doing just fine.

what did you expect?

2008-04-11 22:29:08
315.   KAYVMON
Maybe being down three runs will convince Andrew to try to work a walk when he comes up. Hes a pretty good hitter when he doesn't swing. Grasping for positives here, to say the least.
2008-04-11 22:30:53
316.   Sam in SC
kent + uppercut swing = out
2008-04-11 22:31:25
317.   Bluebleeder87
the way I see it, we're getting our loses out of the way early, smooth sailing after that.
2008-04-11 22:31:42
318.   KAYVMON
On a side note, who are we going to sign to play second base next year?
2008-04-11 22:31:53
319.   silverwidow
Rays are calling up Longoria.
2008-04-11 22:32:17
320.   bhsportsguy
As long as people keep paying for tickets, beer and programs, I think the front office will take the booing.
2008-04-11 22:32:59
321.   mannyman
we don't need to sign anyone, Hu will do just fine thank you.
2008-04-11 22:33:30
322.   ucladodger
I just got home and see the Padres have 15 hits. How in the world is that possible? As for Penny, he just can't strike anybody out anymore. He might not give up solid contact, but they do hit the ball against him.
2008-04-11 22:33:50
323.   Sam in SC
he swung at ball four
2008-04-11 22:35:17
324.   Bluebleeder87
day game that things out.
2008-04-11 22:35:19
325.   JT Dutch
... Loney is just the MAN.

Wow, and that ball just sputtered and died. Unbelievable.

2008-04-11 22:35:32
326.   silverwidow
321 Hu will do just fine...at 2B
2008-04-11 22:35:33
327.   bablue
Well it wasn't really Troncoso's fault. The Padres didn't exactly crush the ball...

On a funnier note, the Giants just lost and made 3 errors to the Cards. So on the postgame one of the Giants commentators says, "If you're a team that doesn't have a few guys like Pujols, like the Giants are, then you have to catch the ball. And the Giants didn't today".

I'd hate to face those lineups... :)

2008-04-11 22:36:46
328.   Bluebleeder87
I like it how most of the people are still at the stadium (4+1 hops ring eternal) chip away boys...
2008-04-11 22:37:31
329.   JoeyP
314--Something better than a 9.53 ERA. Troncoso is a guy that really has no business being in the majors based upon his minor league credentials. I've got no clue why they are trying to turn Meloan into a starter, when McDonald/Kershaw are both ahead of him.

Get Meloan up to the club, and in the pen. Troncoso, what did anyone see in this guy again? Did the team give him a spot based on spring training?

2008-04-11 22:38:27
330.   mannyman
We better see Kemp in the line-up tomorrow, even if it means Jones sits.
2008-04-11 22:38:28
331.   JT Dutch
... Dodgers, particularly Loney and Martin, are certainly making Bell work in this inning.
2008-04-11 22:40:52
332.   PDH5204
239 Is now the time to say that I'm happy that I have Heath Bell on all my fantasy teams but one?
2008-04-11 22:41:39
333.   Bluebleeder87
Chan-Ho Park fun facts>>Park's sister, Seong Kim, is a model for a Korean plus-size clothing line.
2008-04-11 22:42:00
334.   Doctor
329

Couldn't agree more. Yet another really puzzling decision.

2008-04-11 22:42:51
335.   alex 7
spring training success appears to have reg. season playing-time significance to Torre.
2008-04-11 22:45:22
336.   mannyman
Its absurd how many crappy hits the Pads have had tonight.
2008-04-11 22:47:50
337.   Ricardo
But Troncoso has very good stuff, needs to improve his control but I believe he will be a good option for this bullpen.
2008-04-11 22:48:23
338.   whodat807
Why are people so down on Chan Ho? I think he's doing as fine a job as any one of our mid-relievers so far. Of course he was my favorite pitcher when I was a kid, so I'm not the most objective person in the world.
2008-04-11 22:49:31
339.   Ricardo
And now a mega-blow by Hoffman.
2008-04-11 22:49:56
340.   ucladodger
Nice. Druw was late on an 83 mph fastball.
2008-04-11 22:50:06
341.   Bluebleeder87
Let's go Andruw, get a hold of one
2008-04-11 22:51:06
342.   JT Dutch
... Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
2008-04-11 22:51:18
343.   Bluebleeder87
Hoffman will figure out a way to make this interesting.
2008-04-11 22:51:36
344.   Doctor
One problem we maybe facing is Torre really had very little experience managing the transition from minor to major league level players... You cant really afford the developmental years in NYC
2008-04-11 22:52:01
345.   mannyman
Wow, I can't the last time a Dodger was booed that loudly at the Stadium.
2008-04-11 22:52:26
346.   MMSMikey
hoffman looks so hittable, i would like to get in the box and take some rips off him.
2008-04-11 22:52:29
347.   JoeyP
Druw has a very bad Steve Finley 05 vibe about him. Good-great CF that just completely falls off.

Of course, it happened to Finley at around 40.

2008-04-11 22:52:35
348.   regfairfield
383 Because he allowed 27 home runs in 138 innings to AAA hitters last year.
2008-04-11 22:53:06
349.   whodat807
Sheesh, the crowd has turned on Andruw faster than they did on J.D. Drew.
2008-04-11 22:53:36
350.   Jon Weisman
345 - It was way back in 2007.

Let the record show that DeWitt's walk was not to get to the pitcher.

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2008-04-11 22:53:44
351.   Telemachos
I'm not sure what's more frustrating: getting pwned by a Peavy complete game, or losing when the Dodgers actually got to Peavy and made him struggle... only to lose anyway.
2008-04-11 22:54:14
352.   KAYVMON
329 Especially considering they are going to give some pitcher 60 million dollars this winter, while simultaneously rushing Kershaw (if thats possible), and making us suffer through about 7 Schmidt comeback starts.

Im convinced they are doing it to trade him, but for what? Likely a second baseman, hopefully not Freddy Sanchez. Why did Chase Utley have to sign that extension, he could have come home.

2008-04-11 22:54:24
353.   Ricardo
Sweeney singles and Furcal completes the cycle with a Hr. Wouldn´t it be great?
2008-04-11 22:54:38
354.   ucladodger
Great Ab there Sweeney.
2008-04-11 22:55:15
355.   alex 7
just get on and give us a Kemp PH ab to look forward to.
2008-04-11 22:55:30
356.   JoeyP
I just want Kemp to get in the game.
Furcal needs to get on base for that to happen.
2008-04-11 22:55:38
357.   Gagne55
348 So we're about 28 posts away from this mystery pitcher to be revealed?
2008-04-11 22:56:26
358.   mannyman
HR TIME!
2008-04-11 22:56:31
359.   JT Dutch
... Hoffman's gotta be up over 20 pitches this inning.
2008-04-11 22:56:39
360.   mannyman
Haha, JK.
2008-04-11 22:56:39
361.   Bluebleeder87
3 run jack!
2008-04-11 22:56:46
362.   PDH5204
I think that Andruw is getting a hearty round of boos not only owing to his poor performance but also owing to his recent comment re not having to prove anything to the fans. You can say that you don't have to prove anything to the fans, but some of those souls doing the booing are paying a truckload of money for their ticket. In other words, if I were paying $75 for a loge infield box I'd be booing him too.
2008-04-11 22:57:08
363.   Bluebleeder87
what a cruel joke this is...
2008-04-11 22:57:16
364.   KAYVMON
Jesus Grady
2008-04-11 22:57:20
365.   ucladodger
trevor just looks downright terrible. He really has the stuff of a high school pitcher right now. He's going to blow a good number of saves this year.
2008-04-11 22:57:23
366.   mannyman
Seriously though, why not bat Kemp. A HR is the only thing gives us a chance at this point.
2008-04-11 22:57:27
367.   JoeyP
Why on earth is Pierre batting?
2008-04-11 22:57:42
368.   alex 7
seriously? This isn't a good time to send up a power hitter?
2008-04-11 22:58:11
369.   overkill94
Pinning your last-ditch hopes on Slappy = lame
2008-04-11 22:58:21
370.   whodat807
Why is Kemp not pinch hitting for Pierre? This baffles me.
2008-04-11 22:58:25
371.   regfairfield
If I were Andruw Jones, I'd hate the fans too. The man had an amazing career in Atlanta and they seemed pretty happy to be rid of them.
2008-04-11 22:58:33
372.   mannyman
The more I think of it...UNREAL
2008-04-11 22:58:56
373.   mannyman
Nevertheless
2008-04-11 22:59:02
374.   JT Dutch
364

... Pierre!!!!! Well, can this happen??

2008-04-11 22:59:11
375.   overkill94
Thanks for the ribbie Slappy

No thanks for the fact that Kemp will sit for the next week though

2008-04-11 22:59:15
376.   alex 7
lol, the guy gets another start tomorrow! But will Jones sit for Kemp?
2008-04-11 22:59:22
377.   Bluebleeder87
Get Kemp up MAN!!!
2008-04-11 22:59:29
378.   mannyman
Please...3 run JACK!...PLEASE
2008-04-11 22:59:48
379.   Bluebleeder87
O.K. Ethier...
2008-04-11 22:59:55
380.   PDH5204
Given that TREVOR isn't TREVOR anymore, but merely Trevor, that last run is why I would have brought in Broxton over Troncoso.
2008-04-11 23:00:06
381.   CanuckDodger
329 -- It wouldn't have killed Troncoso to spend a bit more time in the minors, but there was nothing wrong with putting him in the MLB team's bullpen out of spring training either. Troncoso's record last year was perfectly fine, and his peripherals this year are fine. A groundball pitcher is going to give up some seeing-eye singles. Just ask Derek Lowe.
2008-04-11 23:00:16
382.   JT Dutch
... Well, look what we have here now. Pretty exciting.
2008-04-11 23:00:21
383.   whodat807
Well I'll be.
2008-04-11 23:00:30
384.   ucladodger
Juan just earned himself 2 weeks of pt.
2008-04-11 23:00:37
385.   imperabo
The universe would not allow JP to fail after all the negative comments just posted.
2008-04-11 23:00:42
386.   mannyman
Kent can do it.
2008-04-11 23:00:45
387.   overkill94
Looks like the play at 2B would have been much easier. I'll take it!
2008-04-11 23:00:50
388.   JoeyP
Wow, Trevor's got nothing.
This is getting mighty interesting..

A hit ties the game.

2008-04-11 23:01:16
389.   Gagne55
385 Then post more negative comments!!!
2008-04-11 23:01:19
390.   imperabo
And JP's speed saves the day.
2008-04-11 23:01:38
391.   Ricardo
Come on Jeff!
2008-04-11 23:01:40
392.   alex 7
just wish we would have seen Saito at some point today. Been 5 days and all...
2008-04-11 23:01:52
393.   max power
When does the Bench Pierre movement give way to the Bench Druw campaign?
2008-04-11 23:01:56
394.   JT Dutch
... Come on, Jeff. Hoffman has NOTHING.
2008-04-11 23:02:08
395.   Jimmy B
I step away for a little bit, and look what happens.
2008-04-11 23:02:32
396.   Bluebleeder87
man Kent is swinging late but I guess he's expecting curve & adjusting fastball...
2008-04-11 23:03:25
397.   mannyman
goodnight
2008-04-11 23:03:40
398.   JT Dutch
... Wow, there's some veteran leadership for you. That is horrible. HORRIBLE.
2008-04-11 23:03:55
399.   Bluebleeder87
if anything it got the juices flowing. we'll get 'em tomorrow.
2008-04-11 23:04:10
400.   JoeyP
Shame Kemp couldnt get an AB during the game.
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2008-04-11 23:05:16
401.   Telemachos
I don't think that was a bad AB by Kent. But it wasn't to be, I guess.
2008-04-11 23:05:34
402.   mannyman
Shame Kemp didn't bat and Saito and Brox didn't pitch in this game. Unacceptable!
2008-04-11 23:06:13
403.   MMSMikey
how does kent miss some of those pitches? he should retire after that one, foul tipping hoffmans 83 mph heater. joke.
2008-04-11 23:07:10
404.   MMSMikey
hoffman is SO bad, he should get lit up everytime he pitches.
2008-04-11 23:07:52
405.   regfairfield
Is that you, Leonard Shelby?
2008-04-11 23:20:34
406.   Eric Enders
I don't care if he got a hit, letting Pierre bat with two outs in the ninth was downright irresponsible, bordering on criminal. With that move, Torre lost every shred of credibility he had in my book. (Which I'm sure will cause him to lose sleep at night.)
2008-04-11 23:30:41
407.   trainwreck
It's getting kinda funny, because we keep having to say the same things every year.

And the season just started.

2008-04-11 23:35:33
408.   Lexinthedena
406 He started the game, and had two hits. of course you let him bat for himself. We all agree that he shouldn't be starting, but that wasn't the wrong move.

All in all, tonight felt like watching the Dodgers in the 90's. Hopefully the Dodgers learned a little from watching the Pads beat them by hitting to the opposite feild and not uppercutting everything.

I hope Penny gets it together, and I think he will. Let's hope that Arizona isn't 20 games up by the time this team gets it together.

2008-04-11 23:37:41
409.   LogikReader
Might as well; it's late at night.

Here's my own little splits for April so far.

Dodgers record in...

Games Juan Pierre started over Kemp: 1-4
Games Kemp started over Pierre (or with Pierre): 2-3

I'm just sayin'

2008-04-11 23:39:18
410.   regfairfield
We are literally twice as good when Kemp starts.
2008-04-11 23:40:21
411.   LogikReader
I have something to say to Pierre's Blackballing agent, but it's more suited for Bronx Banter.
2008-04-11 23:42:22
412.   Lexinthedena
It's rediculous to blame tonights game on Juan Pierre. He had a rare good game. Tonights goats are Brad Penny, Andruw Jones, and Jeff Kent (for the K, and for his horrible range at 2nd).
2008-04-11 23:44:44
413.   LogikReader
412

I don't disagree; I was speaking more to the macroscopic issue. I didn't see the game tonight, being preoccupied with the "Pierre over Kemp" boycott, plus the Lakers/Hornets game was intense.

To me, the beef isn't just having Juan Pierre play, its the fact that we insist on benching Kemp to make room. If there was a reason not to sign anyone this offseason for the OF, this was it.

2008-04-11 23:46:04
414.   alex 7
no one is blaming him. Just stating that it seems the right move down 3 runs with 2 on base in the final inning is sending up your power hitter. Nothing wrong with that logic.

Pierre did have one baserunning mistake, and I'm also wondering why he didn't score on the grounder to the hole. Also had a crummy bunt attempt where he basically gave them an out. But yes all in all he had a decent game at bat.

2008-04-11 23:47:11
415.   Jon Weisman
With Ethier on deck and two on, two out, down by three against an unsteady pitcher, you're just trying to keep the inning going. You don't need to go for the home run. And the difference between a double and a single in that situation is negligible. Your primary goal is to get a guy on base.

OBP vs. RHP, 2007
Pierre .338
Kemp .340

I was 100 percent against starting Pierre over Kemp, but there is an easy case to make for leaving Pierre to bat instead of Kemp in the ninth inning.

2008-04-11 23:49:46
416.   fanerman
Yeah. If we're gonna be benching Kemp, what was the point of signing Andruw? Anyway I still think sanity will prevail and Kemp and Ethier will play every day... eventually. Aargh how irksome.
2008-04-11 23:52:09
417.   Eric Enders
408 "He started the game, and had two hits. of course you let him bat for himself. We all agree that he shouldn't be starting, but that wasn't the wrong move."

I expect this discussion is going to get old really quick, but I really feel that not only was it the wrong move, but there is no conceivable justification for it. There is no explanation which would make it remotely defensible, except the protection of Pierre's feelings, which I reject as a valid reason.

You have two outs in the ninth, you're behind by three with the tying run at the plate. In this situation, there's about a 99% chance that the only hope you have of tying the game is to hit a three-run homer. The other option, stringing together a series of about six consecutive hits, is extremely farfetched and unlikely (as we later found out, although we tried).

So, a three-run homer is your only hope. On your bench you have a guy who is one of the most likely players in all of baseball to hit a three-run homer. At bat, you have a guy who is the least likely player in all of baseball to hit a three-run homer (except for maybe a few pitchers). If you tie the game, there aren't even any positional snafus to be resolved, as Kemp plays the same position, and vastly better than Pierre does. It is an absolute no-brainer. It was a very simple test, amnd Torre failed it miserably.

(And don't get me started on the two extra runs that the Padres likely scored because Pierre was playing -- one because Pierre's throwing arm was in left field instead of Ethier's, and another because Ethier's arm was in right field instead of Kemp's.)

2008-04-11 23:54:31
418.   Xeifrank
"Dodger fans all work pansy desk jobs with perfectly manicured fingernails on their sanitized Apple laptops and hairless bodies"
-GasLampBall
2008-04-11 23:56:54
419.   Xeifrank
417. You forgot to add the part about the earth being round.
vr, Xei
2008-04-11 23:57:44
420.   LogikReader
418

Reading GasLampBall, outside of seeking unintentional humor, is only validating sophomoric banter.

That reminds me: I finally got around to reading the latest on FJM, and I... LOVED IT!!! Unfortunately the video was taken down; what was it?

2008-04-12 00:04:52
421.   Jon Weisman
417 - "In this situation, there's about a 99% chance that the only hope you have of tying the game is to hit a three-run homer. The other option, stringing together a series of about six consecutive hits, is extremely farfetched and unlikely (as we later found out, although we tried)."

Not exactly. A single and a home run would do just fine. Or a single and a walk and a single. Or ...

Given that Matt Kemp homers in about 4 percent of his at-bats, I don't think that you can suggest that's the only viable strategy in a situation that has Ethier and Kemp on deck.

2008-04-12 00:09:19
422.   Eric Enders
421 But a Kemp homer is still vastly more likely than a Pierre single followed by an Ethier homer, is it not? (Or any of the other possible permutations which rely on a series of events strung together.)

And let's not forget, home runs aside, Kemp's also about as likely to single as Pierre is.

2008-04-12 00:12:08
423.   Xeifrank
421. I think he was purposely exaggggggerating, though he was right on principle. Are you more likely to turn a 15 at the blackjack table into a 21, by being dealt a 6 or being dealt an ace and then a 5?
vr, Xei
2008-04-12 00:19:06
424.   caseybarker
I tend to agree that Kemp should've batted for Pierre. Then again, I wonder why Kemp didn't bat in place of Sweeney.
2008-04-12 00:20:12
425.   Jon Weisman
422 - Yes, it's more likely. But I feel that your attack on this question is still beside the point. The mistake was starting Pierre, the mistake is always starting Pierre, and the rest of this is just a sideshow. Torre's pregame decision and quotes justifying it were worse than anything he did during the game.

So that being said, if you'll concede that Kemp's chances of homering were 5 percent or less, then the idea that using Kemp as a pinch-hitter for Pierre vs. hoping for a combination of events - let's face it, the difference is marginal.

2008-04-12 00:23:12
426.   Jon Weisman
If the chances of Kemp reaching first base are the same as Pierre's, as their OBPs against righties would indicate, then if Kemp only gets to first base in that situation, you've wasted him. You've made a mistake. The only benefit in using Kemp in that particular situation is if he homers. And the chances of that were small.

The reason that it's important to start Kemp is because when you give him multiple at-bats, the difference between him and Pierre grows. But the difference between Kemp and Pierre in a single at-bat is marginal.

2008-04-12 00:24:12
427.   Xeifrank
425. I will run it through my simulator tomorrow after I get caught up on my sleep and see just how marginal it was.
vr, Xei
2008-04-12 00:24:47
428.   Jon Weisman
Well, you haven't wasted him or made a mistake per se, but you bet on slim odds of improvement and came out slightly behind, because you're down a player.
2008-04-12 00:26:12
429.   Jon Weisman
427 - Be my guest, but again, it's beside the point. Eric's original point was that this was the last straw for Torre's credibility. I still don't see how you can make that argument when the bigger sin occurred before the game began.
2008-04-12 00:28:10
430.   Eric Enders
425 I understand where you're coming from, but I still disagree that the difference is marginal. If Pierre and Kemp were equally likely to single, PLUS there's a five percent chance that Kemp could homer to tie the game, then Kemp is a significantly better option. The three-consecutive-singles scenario is equally likely with either Kemp or Pierre. Then you add in the chance that Kemp might homer, and it's not even close.

That said, I can understand why you think it's beside the point. I realize that over the long haul, the dumb decisions made before the game are going to greatly outweigh the dumb decisions made during the game. That doesn't make the latter any less frustrating, though.

2008-04-12 00:30:36
431.   Eric Enders
"Eric's original point was that this was the last straw for Torre's credibility."

I meant that in terms of my own personal frustration with him; it wasn't supposed to imply that everyone else should feel the same. Everybody has different breaking points. My own already low tolerance for lousy moves is even lower where Matt Kemp is concerned.

2008-04-12 00:41:06
432.   Lexinthedena
430 There is an assumption being made that there is a universal value placed on all players in all situations. Torre most likely took into account Juans previous at bats more than his carreer slugging percentage, and in this case it worked out, putting the tying run on with your numbers 3 and 4 hitters coming up. Your reasoning is obviously different, but how was this move criminal? What if Kemp had struck out? Something he is much more likely to do than JP.
2008-04-12 00:41:21
433.   Jon Weisman
430 - One key place we're disagreeing is you're calling 5 percent "significant," and I'm not - especially when there's at least a 0-to-5 percent chance that Pierre would help the Dodgers tie the game and the Dodgers could then use Kemp in the 10th inning to bat for the pitcher. Anyway, "significant" is subjective and probably not worth pursuing further.
2008-04-12 00:42:57
434.   Dodgers49
Kuo replaces Loaiza in rotation

>> Left-hander Hong-Chih Kuo will bump Esteban Loaiza from his scheduled start Tuesday night against the Pirates, according to manager Joe Torre. <<

## The goal of management is to bide time with Loaiza, Park and Kuo taking starts for another month or so while preserving the arm of 20-year-old phenom Clayton Kershaw, who has never pitched more than 122 innings in a professional season. ##

http://tinyurl.com/4dnceu

2008-04-12 00:44:05
435.   Xeifrank
Ok, I ran 10,000 games with Pierre batting with 2 outs in the 9th, with the exact same game situation. The Dodgers won 4.12% of the games. I will run it with Kemp in, instead of Pierre and see what happens. My guess is it's within 1/2 a percent difference. Be back in 5 mins.
vr, Xei
2008-04-12 00:47:35
436.   Eric Enders
434 Well, that was unexpected, and calms me down a bit. At least there is some sanity in the world.

I don't see Kuo as a savior by any means, but he's always been really good when healthy and we might as well ride the horse until it collapses.

2008-04-12 00:47:56
437.   trainwreck
434
Woo hoo!! Well, we won that battle quickly.
2008-04-12 00:48:01
438.   Xeifrank
434. woohoo!
vr, Xei
2008-04-12 00:48:03
439.   coachjpark
I bought 35 tickets to today's game in the AYCE Pavilion. I was excited and ready to watch a good time. Then, I saw Juan Pierre in left field. Game over.

Sure, Juan Pierre had a decent game at the plate... his "shot" to third base coupled with a single in the 9th whilst I was screaming from the RF to pinch-hit with Matt Kemp.

I understand Jon's argument that Kemp is "wasted" lest he hits one out, but I think it is agreed that it was a bad decision to not let Kemp pinch-hit, if only marginally bad. I agree with him Jon that the bad decision is in giving Pierre the start to begin with. It's so frustrating to see the Dodgers' most talented player sitting the bench. Don't the Dodgers get it? I thought Joe Torre was an upgrade on Grady Little, but is he really?

Anyhow, I was ecstatic about seeing Chan Ho Park get in during the 9th inning... perhaps if he had pitched the 8th instead of Troncoso, we might have eked out a victory. Argh. These Dodgers are INFURIATING.

2008-04-12 00:51:54
440.   fanerman
434 It's good to have some good news before going to sleep.
2008-04-12 00:52:12
441.   Eric Enders
I didnt' have a problem with using Troncoso in the eighth. His only problem tonight was BABIP.
2008-04-12 00:54:21
442.   Eric Enders
441 After a long day spent copy editing, it figures that I'd miss the really obvious apostrophe.
2008-04-12 00:55:42
443.   Lexinthedena
441 The Pads were pretty lucky in that way tonight. I still think that Tron would be a good starter.

G'night everyone.

2008-04-12 01:01:55
444.   Xeifrank
Ok, after another 10,000 simulated games (pinch hitting for Pierre with Kemp in the 9th inning this time), the Dodgers won 4.5% of the time.

Win expectancies of...
4.50% with Kemp
4.12% with Pierre

it's probably worth pinch hitting, but Jon seems pretty spot on. Not much of a difference and the bigger difference ~2% was in the fact that Pierre started over Kemp in the first place. Good night!
vr, Xei

2008-04-12 01:02:15
445.   Eric Enders
435 What stats do you use to run the simulations, by the way? 2008? 2007? Career? Some combination thereof?
2008-04-12 01:04:10
446.   Jon Weisman
434 - That's worth a NPUT.
2008-04-12 01:36:52
447.   dsfan
Guess I might go more by how the pitcher is shaping up. Hoffman right now is shaping up as pretty darn hittable and I think Kemp there against a tired Hoffman would have made the Padres very uncomfortable. Kemp's biggest bugaboo is the good slider off the plate. Well, Hoffman's not a slider pitcher, it's only a so-so pitch for him. Tell Kemp to look to drive the fastball to up the middle or right center and if the changeup comes maybe he hooks it for a double. I love the idea of Kemp batting there, just think his chances of an extra-base hit are far greater than Pierre's and I think the strikeout risk goes down because Hoffman isn't Hoffman anymore.

I'll buy that a bigger call there came when Pierre went into the lineup over Kemp.

Got no problem at all with Furcal trying to steal against the Padres.

By the way, Kent got some pretty juicy pitches to hit from Hoffman.

The hitters and that situation were a bad matchup for Troncoso, a major-league LHB will see that sinker and can wear out left and center. But I attribute his exposure to night more to bad roster construction than Torre.

2008-04-12 09:19:11
448.   Xeifrank
445. it's all explained at DodgerSims blog.
vr, Xei

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