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2008-04-18 20:35
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

In this interview with Steve Garvey, in which Garvey toots his horn rather emphatically for his Hall of Fame candidacy, WFAN hosts Mike Francesa and Chris "Mad Dog" Russo point out that Garvey's performance needs to be evaluated for the era that it took place in (compared to the more offense-happy era that followed). Yet what happens when analysts try to do exactly that? Too often, people jump down their throats.

* * *

Stanford grad A.J. Hinch, Arizona's director of player development, explains minor league pay at his blog:

Regardless of the signing bonus received after the draft/signing, each player in the minor leagues has the same initial salary structure. It is designed to pay players at different rates depending on what level they are playing. For non 40 man players, the salary begins at $1100/month in Short Season/Class A. Salaries in AA increase to $1500/month while AAA gets a jump to $2150/month. We pay those salaries only during the 5 month season, so the paychecks for the players begin in April and end in the first week of September. The only players that may differ from this scale are minor league free agents signed for AA/AAA or players on the 40-man roster but playing in the minor leagues. Those players are on a completely different scale and many of them have much more comfortable salaries (albeit much less than the big leagues). ...

* * *

Preventive measures: The Dodgers need to have a rule that states that no pursuit of an out is worth Rafael Furcal getting in a collision. Furcal collided with Andruw Jones tonight. Both players stayed in the game - fortunately. Somehow, the Dodgers need to keep Furcal safe as he runs with the big boys. I know it's not always easy out there, but outfielders need to call for the ball or get out of the way.

(First two links above via Baseball Think Factory.)

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2008-04-18 20:50:55
1.   Indiana Jon
From last thread:
then begin a minor-league rehabilitation assignment at Double-A Jacksonville, probably on Wednesday. He is slated to begin playing third base on his second day there.

That's great news. I'll be at the game Thursday in Huntsville which should be his first action at 3B.

2008-04-18 21:02:26
2.   dianagramr
Sadly that was the most solid hit Jones has had this year.
2008-04-18 21:10:40
3.   Eric Stephen
Watching Game 7 of the 1988 NLCS, after Franklin Stubbs chased a foul pop from 1st base, ABC announcer Jim Palmer noted in 1986 the Dodgers had a game in Houston with "four first basemen playing defense". He noted Brock at 1B, Matuszek in LF, Stubbs in CF, and Marshall in RF. Palmer than added sarcastically, "and you wonder why they're playing better this year?"

I found the 1986 game:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU198608110.shtml

2008-04-18 21:18:26
4.   Eric Stephen
1988 Al Michaels justed noted that the mocking "Darryl" chant might be "a love call" because Strawberry has "already gone on record as saying he'd eventually like to play here [in LA]."
2008-04-18 21:19:55
5.   Joe Pierre
Speaking of Garvey, as an old Carl Furillo fan, I always wanted # 6 retired.
Luckily, and I hope we don't here anything negative tomorrow, Furcal seem to see Andruw coming and braced himself with his left shoulder.
2008-04-18 21:21:04
6.   nofatmike
4 It sure isn't anymore.
2008-04-18 21:30:05
7.   Bob Timmermann
Torii Hunter gave the Angels game a very cool ending.
2008-04-18 21:32:09
8.   SoSG Orel
Jon, congrats on finding representation, if I understood your previous post correctly.
2008-04-18 21:32:12
9.   Eric Stephen
1988 Tim McCarver just suggested Gary Carter might have played his last game as a Met, and that he might be traded to San Diego in the offseason, because the Padres have two wonderful catchers "in their farm system". He was referring to Sandy Alomar, Jr. and Benito Santiago. Santiago won rookie of the year in 1987. That sounds like talking up Kemp, Billingsley, Loney, et al as prospects now. Not to mention the logic of trading for an aging catcher when you have two very good young catchers.

Vintage McCarver.

2008-04-18 21:33:33
10.   Eric Stephen
7
Did he rob Sexson of a HR? I'm 20 years behind his evening.
2008-04-18 21:42:37
11.   Bob Timmermann
10
If it wasn't going to be a 2-run homer, it at least would have been a game-tying double.
2008-04-18 21:43:34
12.   Bluebleeder87
5 was it bad? I barely cought half an inning of the action.
2008-04-18 22:07:26
13.   ToyCannon
5
Carl Furillo was not happy with the Dodgers when he retired. If I recall correctly he was very bitter. I think as a kid it was the first time I realized how badly some players got treated at the end of their careers and it was why I started questioning this whole loyalty thing that I still hear romanticized even today.
2008-04-18 22:18:04
14.   Bob Timmermann
Furillo was released to make room for Frank Howard. He had a good 1958 season, but he was injured in 1959 and by 1960, Bavasi felt he was through.

Furillo didn't think he was injured and was still healthy to play, but the Dodgers were set to go with Howard and Willie Davis in the outfield. Nobody picked up Furillo after his release.

2008-04-18 23:07:11
15.   Neal Pollack
Good grief, we were awful tonight. I blame it on the fact that the Padres and Rockies played 22 innings yesterday.

Andruw Jones is beginning to look like a major disaster.

2008-04-18 23:20:19
16.   berkowit28
15 Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier, Rafael Furcal, Russell Martin, James Loney were all minor disasters tonight. Actually more of a disaster than Andruw Jones, who got a double. What do you have to say about that?
2008-04-18 23:20:19
17.   underdog
Jones had vastly improved plate appearances in the previous two games. And it sounded like he had been working on fixing some hitches in his plate approach. And there was much rejoicing. And then he looked lost at the plate again today. And there was much yelling at the screen. And then he hit a long double in his last at bat. And there was some rejoicing and some yelling. Stay tuned for tomorrow's game for more Advuntures in Andruw.

(I do feel like a bit of it today may have been nerves and distraction about returning to Atlanta. Hopefully he'll be better the rest of the series.)

2008-04-18 23:23:19
18.   gibsonhobbs88
15 - It all started with that first inning when we had the bases loaded with one out and then Loney strikes out and Martin tehn flies out to deep left. We come away empty handed when we had the young pitcher on the ropes early, let him off and we were never heard from again.

Sure fire method to beat the Dodgers: Bring up a pitcher from the farm that nobody has ever heard of (no matter what his ERA, WHIP or any other measuring stick you may use)he is sure to pitch a three hit shutout against the Blue! Maddening, I tell you!! They sometimes can make a nun pitching for the Sisters of Mercy look like Roger Clemens out there. I guess they left their good bats back in LA!!

Sick! Sick! Sick!!

2008-04-18 23:32:13
19.   dzzrtRatt
15 But unlike the case of Pierre, there is reasonable expectation that Jones is just in a slump. I'd keep running him out there, and I'd expect he'll eventually pull out of it.

He might not. But the sample size isn't big enough yet to draw a conclusion.

Jones might also see an improvement if he lost weight, which will probably occur over the course of the season.

The point is, Jones contribution might change. Unlike Pierre's, which is a known quantity with no possibility of improvement.

2008-04-19 00:17:41
20.   KAYVMON
Lets be honest, a lot of the hopes ride on LaRoche coming back and mashing. Kemp is not going to walk enough and Loney is not going to homer enough to make this team better than Arizona for the foreseeable future. We need at least one .900 OPS bat in our lineup and no way our front office is competent enough to find that.

Even so, I do still think we are better than both San Diego and Colorado, so we might win a few playoff games if we are lucky.

2008-04-19 01:08:24
21.   dzzrtRatt
I'm not looking forward to the Garciaparra vs. La Roche wars.
2008-04-19 01:50:16
22.   Eric Enders
21 It's like the Civil War. One side is stronger, healthier, and better prepared for the long term, while the other side is primed for inevitable defeat but probably won't give up until things are truly hopeless.
2008-04-19 04:01:06
23.   PDH5204
20 Keep the faith. The DBacks are playing way over their heads [as it were]. The ERAs sported by Webb, Haren, and Owings are not sustainable and neither are the OBP and SLG rates of more than a few of their batters.

Re the .900 OPS, simply recall that in 2006 when we scored something like 820 or so runs that Drew and Nomar tied for the team lead with 20 HRs. JD was close but not quite at .900 for the OPS. And we do have a guy sporting a .900+ OPS as Furcal is at .500/.694 [or at least he was as of the cutoff for the stats on the Dodgers' site as I read them now]. Loney is just shy of the .900 OPS at .890. The problem is, well, the golden god is at .196/.308/.286. And there's also one Andruw Jones, he of the .167/.274/.259 line. Other problems are Ethier's OBP at .323 and Kemp's at .304.

I could care less about the SLG, as I would rather we have Ethier somewhere in the .370s for an OBP and Kemp up around .350 [say, exactly .350]. If Kemp manages the .350 OBP and he steals 50 bases he'll be Carl Crawford. The new despised one, Mr. Kent, is at .283/.333/.528. I'd gladly take a hit in the SLG if we could get that OPB up to .385, say Jeff's 2006 line of .292/.385/.477.

Right now, our BA should be Furcal, Loney and Kent. Then it's Ethier and then a black hole. No idea when exactly that state of affairs will end, but right now, it is what it is. In sum, the problem is too many batters making too many outs.

I'm hoping that Raffy gets his '06 line with a .010 increase in OBP, Kemp at .350 with 50 SBs, Martin at .370, Kent at .385, and Ned insinuates some strong hallucinogenic drugs into the morning beverage(s) of the Cubs front office and he then trades a large moving van full of cash, Juan Pierre, Andruw Jones, and Steiner and Monday, for Fukudome ["Mr. OBP"], and we have him hit behind Raffy. A man can dream.

2008-04-19 07:29:46
24.   Bob Timmermann
22
Ken Noe will be weighing in on that analogy.
2008-04-19 07:37:40
25.   Gen3Blue
18 This comment seems remarkably true for at least the last several years. What's up with that?
2008-04-19 07:42:13
26.   Bob Timmermann
This isn't exactly what 18 was getting at, but since 2000, the Dodgers have faced a pitcher making his major league debut, and also starting the game, eight times.

The opponents are 6-2 in those games.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/hUF2

2008-04-19 07:42:44
27.   Bob Timmermann
Excuse me, it's happened 6 times and the opponents are 4-2.
2008-04-19 07:45:19
28.   Bob Timmermann
If you expand the list to a pitcher facing the Dodgers in one of his first three career appearances in the majors during the same time period, there are 20 games and the Dodgers are 8-12.
2008-04-19 07:52:02
29.   Gen3Blue
Of course Edwin Jackson's first big start worked the other way, but it is a curious trend.
2008-04-19 07:54:13
30.   Bob Timmermann
Overall in the majors in the 2000s, teams starting a rookie in his first game have won the game 134 times and lost 155.
2008-04-19 08:12:18
31.   Gen3Blue
Amazing info as usual. Starting a rook isn't quite as bad as I would think. Maybe because no ones seen his stuff.
2008-04-19 08:43:18
32.   Jon Weisman
From the Times:

"George Washington (David Morse) so quickly tired of the infighting among his Cabinet and vagaries of public opinion that he stepped down from the presidency after a single term."

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-et-hbo19apr19,0,3333375.story

2008-04-19 08:45:53
33.   JoeyP
The trade for Dan Haren will ensure the D-bax of the division title. Just a great great trade. To get a young, in their prime #1 starter for what they gave up was perfect for them.

Haren>>>>Schmidt+Kuroda+Loaiza

Ned refused to trade any of the farm, and chase high priced average PVL instead of quality primeness. That'll be his undoing as Dodger gm. Valuing depth over talent.

2008-04-19 08:48:28
34.   Bob Timmermann
32
You know I thought that looked funny when I read that last night.
2008-04-19 08:50:27
35.   JoeyP
Other problems are Ethier's OBP at .323 and Kemp's at .304.

Good point.
Kemp/Ethier's walk rates are going to be key in determining how much runs the Dodgers score. Kemp's never walked very much, and it loooked like Ethier turned the corner last year with plate discipline but we'll see if he can sustain it or regress back to what he was.

If they each arent going to walk much, they need to be .300+ hitters to be effective, and Kemp may K too much to be a .300 hitter. Ethier might be able to do it though.

2008-04-19 08:51:51
36.   gpellamjr
32 2000 years from now that will probably be the only source left for the length of GW's term of office. Either that or there will also be one that said he held two terms and scholars will argue over which one is accurate.
2008-04-19 09:00:11
37.   Icaros
Rufus Sewell as Alexander Hamilton, showing his drawings of the Army uniforms to Adams, was laugh out loud funny.

I've been a Sewell fan since he played Fortinbras in Branagh's Hamlet.

2008-04-19 09:03:34
38.   Indiana Jon
35 Kemp is much more likely to be a .300 hitter than Ethier judging by past performance. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was a career .300 hitter.
2008-04-19 09:06:49
39.   therickdaddy
I don't post often but you all seem like family to me from all the reading I do, so just wanted to drop a line for well wishes as my 2-year-old daughter broke her arm yesterday. :( Please keep Cambria in your thoughts!
2008-04-19 09:09:18
40.   therickdaddy
33 Sorry, but I have to disagree pretty strongly there. No one wanted to trade Kemp/Billingsley this offseason for anything, not even Haren. And to get Haren, Colletti might have had to include even more. It's easy to talk about the trade but a lot harder to make that kind of deal.
2008-04-19 09:10:34
41.   JoeyP
The Dbax didnt trade prospects the caliber of Kemp/Billingsley though
2008-04-19 09:27:09
42.   Neal Pollack
I hear you on Jones, and I'm out of town and didn't see the game tonight. I'm just basing my opinion on the (low)lights they showed on ESPN tonight.
2008-04-19 09:27:41
43.   GoBears
I just listened to that Garvey interview. How disheartening. Like a lot of people my age, I was a huge Garvey fan as a kid. I didn't know anything, so all those .300 BA, 200-hit seasons, and the streak really impressed the heck out of me. The 3-4 throws that he'd scoop every game (seemingly) made him a "team player." I bought into the image too. By the end of his career, I guess I'd accepted that he was sanctimonious, and I forgave Don Sutton for fighting with him. And once I learned something about player evaluation, his low OBP and really, pedestrian power numbers proved a disappointment, and I realized that he was not a HOFer.

The infamous "zipper" problems never really phased me - sure they destroyed what was left of his saintly image, but compared with a lot of fallen heroes, meh. And now this. The stories about being a bat boy, in awe of the Boys of Summer were nice, but the rest of the interview was awful. What a tool. I guess I'd always figured that even if he wasn't "the perfect Dodger," it wasn't his fault that the press and Dodger PR office forced this image down our throats. But it's pretty clear that he bought into it, and still does.

This won't be news to a lot of you, especially younger fans who grew up already hearing that Garvey was a phony. But he was my favorite player on my favorite team, and I was in denial about the extent of the deception.

Blecch.

2008-04-19 09:29:26
44.   Gen3Blue
39 Thats got to be awfully rough. As a father I never dealt with anything like that on a child anywhere near that young.
At least most 2-year olds are great healers.Best wishes to Cambria.

Well, looks like another FOX Dodgerless saturday. If it was in NY I would have a slight chance of getting blocked out. I don't think there is much chance for rain in Philly.

2008-04-19 09:30:26
45.   Bluebleeder87
just read K/Guo will get the nod again this Tues. Against the Reds, little things like this is why I like Torre managing my team then Grittle
2008-04-19 09:31:27
46.   Bob Timmermann
39
I broke my elbow when I was around 2. Or so I was told. I actually weird memories of it.

I believe that break of my elbow turned me into a kid who would decided it would be better to collect baseball cards rather than play baseball.

2008-04-19 09:32:55
47.   D4P
"Cheap Seats" did not have a positive influence on my opinion of Steve Garvey.
2008-04-19 09:37:58
48.   Marty
39 Sorry to hear that. Tell her to keep her chin up. Cambria is a great name.
2008-04-19 09:39:51
49.   Marty
Money notwithstanding, Torii Hunter seems to be a good signing for the Angels.
2008-04-19 09:52:24
50.   KG16
35 - I would posit that Ethier and Kemp's batting averages will have more to do with how many runs the Dodgers score this year than their walk rates. Even with Ethier's .323 OBP he's leading the team in RBIs, granted he's got a few of those on sac flies (and I know how much so many around here hate the productive out), but I'd say the Dodgers would have scored fewer runs this year if Ethier had walked more to this point. I also suspect that will continue for most of the season. With Kemp, it's tough to say, because he's been shuffled around a bit... more walks would be good if he lands in the no. 2 spot, but otherwise, I'll take the higher batting average, especially with runners on base.
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2008-04-19 09:52:41
51.   sporky
39 I hope Cambria gets better soon.

Tony Jackson says the lineup is the same as yesterday's, with Kemp and Ethier flipped.

Furcal
Ethier
Kemp
Kent
Loney
Martin
Jones
Garciaparra
Billingsley

2008-04-19 09:55:28
52.   Jon Weisman
NPUT

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