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You Know It Makes Me Wanna Shout!
2008-04-23 06:45
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Remain calm! All is well!!!

- Animal House

Look - I can put together more reasons not to worry about the marching band being stuck in a dead-end alley and the Dodgers tripping over the 10,000 marbles in the street, I really can, but you've probably heard enough of that from me for the past couple of weeks. These guys have been Faber College foulups without hardly any of the fun, and it's wearing most of them out, and it's wearing most of us out.

The Germans have bombed Pearl Harbor, boys. Tonight's showdown with the first-place Arizona Omegas absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.

LET'S DO IT!!!

Or at least let's get a toga party out of it ...

* * *

  • Rich Lederer of Baseball Analysts hosts a super roundtable chat with Alex Belth and Pat Jordan to discuss The Best Sports Writing of Pat Jordan, which our Bronx Banter hero edited.

  • Todd Rundgren's son Rex plays for AAA Las Vegas all day, reports Todd Dewey of the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

  • Comments (401)
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    2008-04-23 08:08:39
    1.   Disabled List
    Jon's right! Psychotic, but absolutely right!
    2008-04-23 08:14:05
    2.   Hallux Valgus
    I told myself before the season that I would give the team through April to work out the kinks, on account of a new manager and the wackadoo spring.

    Still, sometimes I just want to grab that accoustic guitar and smash it against a wall.

    2008-04-23 08:15:21
    3.   Gold Star for Robot Boy
    We could fight them with conventional weapons!
    Nah. That would take years and cost millions of lives.
    2008-04-23 08:19:43
    4.   alex 7
    So long as the gnome is used, we'll be alright.
    2008-04-23 08:23:42
    5.   Sushirabbit
    Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the Dodgers. Gentlemen!
    2008-04-23 08:30:30
    6.   TellMeTheScoreRickMonday
    We had Otis Day and the Knights play a dance at our (public) high school. It was a pretty awesome booking, even if Robert Cray wasn't there (I think).
    2008-04-23 08:30:58
    7.   JoeyP
    Was there ever a way to trade for Texiera/Haren without giving up any of Kershaw/Bills/Kemp/LaRoche?
    2008-04-23 08:34:12
    8.   bhsportsguy
    Animal House is one of my favorite films though I have seen so many times that I tend to tune in and out ouf it on TV, just going back for certain scenes like the one described above.

    Best Films by SNL Alum
    A. Derived from SNL
    1. Blues Brothers
    2. Wayne's World

    B. Featuring Actors from show.
    1. Trading Places
    2. Animal House
    3. 48 Hours
    4. Ghostbusters
    5. Caddyshack
    6. Austin Powers

    I tend skew to the earlier casts, so I can't say how the Will Ferrell films would rank. Billy Crystal, Martin Short were only on the show for one year so I don't know if they count. I did enjoy "The Three Amigos."

    2008-04-23 08:39:23
    9.   Disabled List
    Commissioner Selig: Greg, what is the worst franchise in this league?
    Greg Marmalard: Well that would be hard to say, sir. They're each outstanding in their own way.
    Commissioner Selig: Cut the [Rule 1], son. I've got their transaction history right here. Who choked in September and launched the lousy Rockies on a run to the World Series? Who committed millions of dollars in consecutive offseasons to centerfielders who can't hit? Who still thinks Nomar is an everyday option at third base? Every Halloween, the trees are filled with underwear. Every spring, the toilets explode.
    Greg Marmalard: You're talking about the Dodgers, sir.
    Commissioner Selig: Of course I'm talking about the Dodgers, you TWERP!
    2008-04-23 08:39:27
    10.   Marty
    Ghostbusters is the best of that bunch I think. John Landis shouldn't be allowed to direct movies. You get some laughs, but man, are they badly made.

    But what do I know, two of my favorite comedies star Charles Grodin.

    2008-04-23 08:40:09
    11.   LeeLacy
    9
    I've always been a fan of "Fletch." How can someone not like a film featuring cameos by Kareem and Chick?
    2008-04-23 08:41:15
    12.   LeeLacy
    Oops. My link in 11 should have been to comment 8 .
    2008-04-23 08:42:08
    13.   bhsportsguy
    7 Based on what I read between the lines, for Texiera, it would have taken 2 players on the roster at that time (Loney, Kemp) plus Kershaw. Haren, probably would have taken Kershaw and LaRoche.

    As I and others have said about the past off-season, the injuries to Elbert and Morris really hampered the trade opportunities for the Dodgers. You had Loney, Kemp, LaRoche, Billingsley who all had prominent roles on the big league team and thus even if you make a trade for someone like Haren, you still needed to fill in for the loss. They were not going to trade Kershaw so then you are left with some very good players like McDonald, Hu, Meloan, etc. but no one who could headline a deal.

    If Elbert was coming a good year as a top prospect, you could maybe have dealt him but since he is still recovering, he did not have a lot value.

    Both the Braves and D-Backs dealt surplus players without hurting their big league club. Now their systems are a little weak at the upper levels but they are okay with that.

    2008-04-23 08:44:54
    14.   bhsportsguy
    11 I thought about Fletch, that is a good one too but I think of it as an acquired taste unlike the ones I listed.
    2008-04-23 08:48:56
    15.   Kevin Lewis
    I am just thankful that I canceled my satellite tv. The last game I got to watch was on Monday. I feel good about that game.
    2008-04-23 08:49:06
    16.   Jon Weisman
    6 - They played at my high school too - November '84. I thought that was so cool.
    2008-04-23 08:49:09
    17.   Bumsrap
    We-eee-eeel....
    You know you make me wanna (Shout!)
    Kick my heels up and (Shout!)
    Throw my hands up and (Shout!)
    Throw my head back and (Shout!)
    Come on now (Shout!)
    Don't forget to say you will
    Don't forget to say, yeah
    Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
    (Say you will)
    Say it right now bab-ay
    (Say you will)
    Come on, come on
    (Say you will)
    Say it, will-a you-ooooo!
    (Say you will)
    You got it, now!
    (Say) say that you love me
    (Say) say that you need me
    (Say) say that you want me
    (Say) you wanna please me
    (Say) come on now
    (Say) come on now
    (Say) come on now
    (Say) come on now
    (Say) I still remember
    (Shooby-doo-wop-do-wop-wop-wop-wop)
    2008-04-23 08:50:34
    18.   Hallux Valgus
    10 Beethoven and Beethoven's 2nd?
    2008-04-23 08:53:07
    19.   JoeyP
    The best I could come up with was:

    Texiera for Loney, Mcdonald, Dewitt
    Haren for DeJesus, MeLoan, Elbert

    The Texiera package is definitely on par with what the Braves gave up.

    However, probably unlikely that the Dodgers could have gotten Haren as well. The Dbax package was probably better.

    2008-04-23 08:54:27
    20.   Bob Timmermann
    Krivsky out, Jocketty takes over in the Queen City.
    http://griddle.baseballtoaster.com/archives/962519.html
    2008-04-23 08:56:21
    21.   Bob Timmermann
    The best ever UCLA pitcher retires:
    http://tinyurl.com/54jok8
    2008-04-23 08:56:48
    22.   Marty
    18 Exactly.
    2008-04-23 08:58:23
    23.   underdog
    Dean Torre: "The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me."

    In addition to Jon's call to arms, I'd like to suggest something else even more irrational but maybe just as helpful:
    I think we should all do one thing, one superstitious little thing, to help get the Dodgers going. Whether it's cleaning your Dodger cap, buying a garden gnome and putting a hat on it, not shaving, etc. Whatever you think will work! Don't think, just do it!

    2008-04-23 08:58:50
    24.   underdog
    20 Wow. I guess a split with the lowly Dodgers wasn't enough to save his job.
    2008-04-23 09:00:56
    25.   El Lay Dave
    Late to baseball brother thoughts. Some honorable mention to:

    George and Ken Brett
    The five Delahanty brothers
    Joe and Frank Torre

    Are Mike and Greg Maddux sort of the Tommie and Henry Aaron equivalent in pitching?

    2008-04-23 09:01:29
    26.   Hallux Valgus
    23 I've already ordered my toga.
    2008-04-23 09:04:01
    27.   underdog
    My only problem with Animal House is that it spawned a whole wave of horrible dumb-dumb frat comedies not to mention a whole wave of horrible dumb dumb frat behavior (toga parties, burning beds out windows, overdrinking, etc.) in real life, but the movie itself is still one of my favorite raunchy comedies. That cast is amazing.

    Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, the Dodgers need to see the Diamondbacks as the Omega frat.

    2008-04-23 09:04:27
    28.   bhsportsguy
    21 My guess is that link does not go to a story involving Tim Leary.
    2008-04-23 09:04:50
    29.   underdog
    26 Is it a Dodger blue toga? That'll work.
    2008-04-23 09:05:49
    30.   Bob Timmermann
    28
    You know my feeling about UCLA baseball.
    2008-04-23 09:07:02
    31.   bhsportsguy
    27 Caddyshack would be a pretty bad movie if it wasn't filled with great peformances from Rodney Dangerfield (who is pretty much doing his act throughout the whole film), and Ted Knight. Murray and Chase are good but the other two really save the film. Murray had a bigger and better part in Stripes.
    2008-04-23 09:10:27
    32.   Hallux Valgus
    29 No, but on the back is the same mural that was on Nomar Van last year. Except instead of Nomar, it's Kershaw.
    2008-04-23 09:10:30
    33.   Neal Pollack
    You can't talk SNL movies without putting Anchorman in the mix.
    2008-04-23 09:11:00
    34.   Neal Pollack
    And I don't think anyone would be panicking here if it wasn't for the D'Backs. Damn, they look good.
    2008-04-23 09:11:21
    35.   bhsportsguy
    20 Does that mean Jay Bruce and Homer Bailey are coming up soon or will there be a movement to trade some youngsters for PVLs?
    2008-04-23 09:12:09
    36.   bhsportsguy
    33 Is that the best Will Ferrell film? I have to admit that I have not seen it.
    2008-04-23 09:16:05
    37.   LogikReader
    34

    I used to like the Dbacks too, far as watching them play. Now I can't stand them.

    Why is that?

    Is it because of Eric "I hate SoCal" Byrnes?
    Is it because they lucked into the division last year i.e. won with a lousy pythag record?
    Is it because they bought a title in 2001 with some "character guys"?
    Is it because Jerry Colangelo had some ownership stake in the team?
    Is it because of the broadcasters? That's a good reason.
    Is it because I'm still not convinced by their bullpen, which after all, has only been tested three or so times?
    Is it because I'm jealous of all their homegrown talent blossoming at once while the Dodgers can't get a ball past the warning track?

    I really don't know.

    2008-04-23 09:17:49
    38.   skybluestoday
    Groundhog Day !!
    2008-04-23 09:18:57
    39.   Bob Timmermann
    37
    The last one.
    2008-04-23 09:25:27
    40.   El Lay Dave
    36 Me either, but I thought Elf and Stranger Than Fiction were watchable, if not up to level of your list. In the former, Zooey Deschanel helps the watchability a lot.
    2008-04-23 09:25:47
    41.   Tangled Up in Blue
    This article is not to kind to Colletti.

    http://tinyurl.com/527zd3

    Is it too soon to wonder who will replace him?

    2008-04-23 09:26:15
    42.   El Lay Dave
    37 It's because of Andrew Shimmin.
    2008-04-23 09:26:42
    43.   MC Safety
    Cool story on Rex Rundgren, Jon. I had no idea his kids played baseball. I was also unaware of that whole Liv Tyler thinking Todd Rundgren was her dad thing. I got to hang out with Todd backstage at the Gibson once, pretty cool guy to talk some music with.
    2008-04-23 09:27:53
    44.   underdog
    37 I'm telling you, they're the Omega frat as far as I'm concerned and Byrnes is their Niedermeyer.

    Spread that concept to the Dodgers (i.e., Delta frat) themselves.

    ---

    Underdog's purely subjective rankings of Will Ferrell (starring) films in order of quality, best being first:

    1) Blades of Glory
    2) Talladega Nights (surprising to me, but here it is)
    3) Stranger Than Fiction
    4) Anchorman (I'm probably in the minority, but as funny as I find parts of it I also find much of it goes nowhere)
    5) The Oblongs (voice)

    Best supporting roles: Zoolander; Producers; Old School (of course); Melinda + Melinda (he was good even if movie was eh); and my personal favorite, his cameo in episode of Undeclared as drugged out term paper salesman.

    Worst: Roxbury; Elf; Kicking and Screaming (ugh); Bewitched; Semi-Pro

    2008-04-23 09:30:10
    45.   MC Safety
    44 Talladega Nights has to be one. Zoolander is top five imo, too.
    2008-04-23 09:31:59
    46.   Tangled Up in Blue
    44 I thought Anchorman and Talladega Nights were his 2 best. I also liked Old School, even though he wasn't the star.
    2008-04-23 09:32:04
    47.   MC Safety
    41 The picture of Andruw Jones in that article is hilarious. It looks like he snuck a cookie into the batting cage and got caught right as he took a bite.
    2008-04-23 09:34:11
    48.   regfairfield
    41 Tracy Ringolsby is really biased against the Dodgers apparently.

    He also thinks getting Randy Johnson was a bad thing for the Diamondbacks, so consider the validity of the source.

    2008-04-23 09:34:53
    49.   MC Safety
    45 Whoops, disregard my post. I didn't get the "starring" part.

    You know what movie is funny? Corky Romano. There I said it.

    2008-04-23 09:35:22
    50.   Tangled Up in Blue
    47 LOL.

    It is too soon to bash the Jones contract IMO. The rest regarding the Dodgers I agree with.

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    2008-04-23 09:37:09
    51.   SortaLaSorda
    Why don't the folks with the academy awards offer a "retroactive oscar"? An award, that upon further review, deserves more? Ted Knight's performance in Caddyshack is surely worthy...
    2008-04-23 09:39:42
    52.   El Lay Dave
    41 Tracy Ringolsby's arguments are sometimes so bad.

    Juan Pierre ... is a workaholic, he is an aggressive hitter who can make contact and (sic) the speed to get 200 hits and hit .300. The dumbest complaint yet is that he led the majors in outs. He also is among the leaders, each year, in plate appearances.

    Doesn't the PA leading discount BOTH the 200 hits and the out leadership?

    [Jones] ... is not an impact offensive player. He's hit .300 once in 11 full big-league seasons, never struck out less than 100 times in a season and when the home runs dropped to 26 and RBI fell below 100 in Atlanta last year, why would anyone think he would be rejuvenated in pitcher-friendly Dodger Stadium?

    Do you have to hit .300 to be an impact offensive player and/or stike out less than 100 times? Reggie Jackson begs to differ. ARod's lowest K total in a season is 99. And it's been a few seasons since Dodger Stadium was "pitcher-friendly".

    2008-04-23 09:40:08
    53.   LogikReader
    Is it too soon to wonder who will replace him?

    You know, you guys might be surprised, but I heard about this brouhaha Brian Cashman is having with the baby Steinbrenners. Cashman is in his last year, and I thought, gosh if it doesn't work out... and NedCo gets released... hmmmmmmmmm.

    Cashman as a Dodger GM sounds like music to my ears if Logan White can't get it.

    2008-04-23 09:41:18
    54.   underdog
    Best films starring Chris Kattan, in order:

    1) Undercover Brother
    2) ...

    2008-04-23 09:42:03
    55.   ROC
    Since Sunday I comfort myself by thinking if the Dodgers don't contend this year, knowing sooner is better. Think of the haul Kent, Lowe, maybe Nomar & Saito would bring in July.

    Re: Will Ferrell for me it's:
    1) The Landlord
    2) Old School (he's kinda the co-lead, eh?)
    3) everything else

    2008-04-23 09:43:16
    56.   LogikReader
    55

    You'd have to have a forward thinking GM to consider that. Since when has NedCo traded older guys to get younger?

    2008-04-23 09:45:35
    57.   KingKopitar
    8 Maybe someone here can answer this question: is Three Amigos funny? I've seen a few different publications say that it's a "lackluster effort" (or something like that), while I think it's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. I first saw it when I was like 7 though, so maybe my view is skewed. Can anyone enlighten me on this?

    33 I hold that Anchorman is funny because of Steve Carell and Paul Rudd, so it isn't really a SNL movie.

    2008-04-23 09:47:10
    58.   D4P
    Somewhat on topic, we watched "The Sure Thing" and "Better Off Dead" this past weekend. I hadn't seen either in 20+ years.

    I remembered liking BOD much better than TST, but this time around, my preferences changed completely, and TST emerged as the clearly superior movie.

    Neither were particularly funny (even "I want my two dollars!" didn't do much for me this time around).

    2008-04-23 09:47:26
    59.   bhsportsguy
    Saito would be difficult to deal because he could always just stay in Japan if he didn't want to play anymore in the U.S.

    Of the rest, Lowe has the most value since he is the only one who would be at least a Type B Free Agent for next year. Kent is going to retire and Nomar just doesn't have any trade value.

    2008-04-23 09:49:22
    60.   underdog
    55 Yah, I'd be happy to move Old School up to my top 5.

    56 Uh, well there's... and then when... uh... hm... there's a first time for everything!

    I mean that is one argument in favor of a new GM, whatever one thinks of the current one. The new GM does not have ego investment in some of the veteran free agents and so forth that the previous GM signed or acquired. The only thing I'll say in NedCo's defense is that he has sometimes shown a willingness to admit he's made a mistake (trading away Baez; acquiring another centerfielder; etc). I just wish he wouldn't have made those mistakes in the first place.

    2008-04-23 09:49:58
    61.   Bob Timmermann
    I would describe "The Three Amigos" as being very funny in parts and then somewhat pedestrian the rest of the time. But it's not a bad film. It's just not great.

    And it has catchphrases!

    2008-04-23 09:50:52
    62.   El Lay Dave
    44 SNL's Amy Poehler is also in Blades of Glory.
    2008-04-23 09:52:38
    63.   D4P
    Blades of Glory

    Yuck. GOB deserves better.

    2008-04-23 09:53:02
    64.   underdog
    57 I went to see Three Amigos when I was a kid and remember laughing a lot. When I saw it again, a couple of times, as an adult, once I thought... "Hmm... this is just silly and not all that good," but the other time I laughed a great deal. Depends on your mood, I guess. It's really likable though.

    Paul Rudd rocks - he's often the best thing in any movie he's in. Seen Forgetting Sarah Marshall yet? He's superb.

    2008-04-23 09:55:18
    65.   KG16
    from the last post 486 - I'm not saying that I don't want to see home runs. My point is simply that home runs, per se, are not the problem for this team.

    As far as SNL Movie Thoughts, I'll throw out one other that hasn't been mentioned: Spies Like Us. I'll also offer Dirty Rotten Scoundrels as a pretty good one.

    2008-04-23 09:55:24
    66.   El Lay Dave
    56 Colletti also hasn't had a team that was already out of contention when the trade deadline arrived, a time when PVLs often get moved.

    Unless someone offered a far-too-good prospect for Lowe, I'd rather keep him, let him go FA and give Logan White the draft pick(s). Pretty good odds Lowe will be Type A and yield two.

    2008-04-23 09:57:47
    67.   berkowit28
    41 The article does not in fact mention Colletti by name at all. Just lots of Dodgers on his list.
    2008-04-23 10:00:11
    68.   Xeifrank
    Sorry, I don't have much to add to SNL movie chat today. I've seen a few of the older movies listed, some were decent and some were awful. FWIW, Pecota has the Dodgers chances of winning the division at 24% at the moment and chances of getting the wild-card at 6.6%, for a ~30.5% chance of making the playoffs. Pecota must really like the Dodgers to give them odds this high to win the division considering the start that Arizona has gotten off to. AZ odds to win the division are listed at just over 50%. I have the Dodgers magic number at 141. Hopefully we can shrink that number down to 137 in the next two days.
    vr, Xei
    2008-04-23 10:01:49
    69.   bhsportsguy
    60 The 2009 Dodgers will not have Nomar nor Kent on the team. Schmidt and Jones will have one year left and who knows what the Pierre situation will be or if there even is one at that point.

    All GMs are going to have biases to the players they acquire and again, to me, you have to look at the alternatives available at the time. Yes, there were those who were against the Schmidt signing and yes, they can shout "I told you so" but there were more objective (non-Dodger folks) analysts who thought it was a great deal. Same goes for Andruw Jones.

    The Nomar and Pierre deals have been discussed to death and I don't know if Torre could have handled them better so far this year, neither is guaranateed anything, I do think that LaRoche will get a shot if he can show he can play because 3B is such black hole right now.

    If Bill Stoneman was still GM, would he be hearing about giving a multi-year extension to a pitcher with arm troubles, and how come no one complains that one of their best prospects sits at AAA with no place to go for the near future.

    I am not saying Ned is great nor should he not be concerned about his job but some of it also has to be put upon the players to perform. Ultimately, managers and GM pay for failures by the players so if the team doesn't perform, Ned will pay the price. But right now, this team is pretty much made up of what I could have hoped for on March 1st so I hope now, they can put it together and start playing good ball.

    2008-04-23 10:02:03
    70.   fanerman
    66 And since his time with the Dodgers, he's had prospects up the wazoo, so trading for more probably hasn't been a top priority.
    2008-04-23 10:04:38
    71.   underdog
    Lowe vs. Haren tonight, Bills vs. Gonzalez tomorrow. The Dodgers are gonna have a tough time sweeping, but if Lowe is back to his more usual self then I could see them having a chance to do that or at least should (should) split them.
    2008-04-23 10:05:23
    72.   regfairfield
    69 I actually did some research on the Schmidt issue and I found one Dodger Thoughts comment that was against it at the time and no major columnists or blogs were against it from what Ii saw.
    2008-04-23 10:05:41
    73.   underdog
    69 I think that's fair.

    And I also think it's a bit early to start thinking about a team fire sale.

    2008-04-23 10:06:12
    74.   AKblue
    41
    Tracy Ringolsby is a beat writer for the Rockies and a transparent homer. He routinely jabs the Dodgers in his "opinion > fact" articles. I have about as much respect for him as I do TJ Simers and Dayn Perry.
    2008-04-23 10:06:32
    75.   Xeifrank
    AZ Snakepit is throwing out an interesting stat today. Arizona currently has a 6 game lead in the NL West and they state "...this appears to be the biggest lead any team has ever had on April 22. That's in the entire history of baseball." And they caveat it with the fact that the season use to start later. vr, Xei
    2008-04-23 10:08:47
    76.   D4P
    I actually did some research on the Schmidt issue and I found one Dodger Thoughts comment that was against it at the time

    Who was the author of the Dodger Thoughts comment...?

    2008-04-23 10:09:05
    77.   Tangled Up in Blue
    67 True, but I dont think that excuses him. I understand what you are saying, the article talks about the Dodgers in general but Colletti is the one ultimately responsible for signing those contracts (or taking on the Loaiza contract).
    2008-04-23 10:09:55
    78.   regfairfield
    76 Someone that I didn't recognize, don't know off the top of my head.
    2008-04-23 10:12:31
    79.   Jon Weisman
    By my recollection I was nervous about Schmidt's health, though I expected nothing like what's happened. I just thought he'd have a short trip to the DL once or twice.
    2008-04-23 10:13:42
    80.   natepurcell
    What is the point of "...?" instead of just a question mark or a period. Is there suppose to be some extra nanoseconds of drama/anxiety I am suppose to feel before the end of the sentence comes?
    2008-04-23 10:14:49
    81.   Bob Timmermann
    75
    If you want to just the mark of 20 games played, the 1984 Tigers led Toronto by 6 games.
    The Tigers were 18-2 and the Blue Jays were 13-9.
    That was at the end of play on April 29.
    2008-04-23 10:15:20
    82.   D4P
    80
    You have much to learn, my young Padawan...
    2008-04-23 10:16:48
    83.   Bob Timmermann
    The 1955 Dodgers after 20 games led by 7 1/2 games over the Cubs. The 55 Dodgers, like the 84 Tigers, got off to an 18-2 start.
    2008-04-23 10:17:40
    84.   bhsportsguy
    71 Let me restate for the record, I am not excusing Ned from making those deals, the Pierre deal (years not signing him) and the Loiaza deal (?) are head scratchers. In the end, GMs generally don't get fired for spending money, its all about results, analysts like to use things the money spent per win but for the Dodgers its all about results right now.

    And are the better candidates for the Dodger GM job, yes, given the way the game works now, I think there are 3 very interesting candidates in White, Ng and Watson.

    I know Jon spoke with Watson in the last few weeks, I would like to hear what he thinks about him.

    2008-04-23 10:18:52
    85.   fanerman
    80 It's like in Arrested Development, where to add drama to the end of a scene or act, they play that super intense action suspense music while zooming in on the character's face/eyes.

    Just imagine that whenever D4P adds the ellipsis to the end of his sentences. That's what I do.

    2008-04-23 10:19:51
    86.   Bumsrap
    McCourt has spent about $100,000,000 OJTing Colletti. Hopefully, there has been some OJT learning--for both of them.
    2008-04-23 10:20:11
    87.   Jon Weisman
    84 - I have no idea right now about the merits of Watson as a GM, one way or another. I can tell you he seems pretty tall, though.
    2008-04-23 10:22:08
    88.   Bob Timmermann
    Jon always checks to see if he can post up his interview subjects.

    He did posterize Kate Winslet.

    2008-04-23 10:22:34
    89.   bhsportsguy
    87 Probably not a fair question since it would be hard to say what the merits of White or Ng are either aside from their successes in their current positions.
    2008-04-23 10:25:10
    90.   Bumsrap
    If McCourt, Colletti, and Torre do not intend to re-sign (OK Gen) Kent and Nomar, would they release them so they could join a condender if the Dodgers are out of playoff hopes? I would like that more sooner than later.
    2008-04-23 10:35:23
    91.   MC Safety
    54 Undercover Brother is hilarious. Anything with Doogie Howser is funny, really.
    2008-04-23 10:40:30
    92.   MC Safety
    I feel refreshed after reading the latest post at Bad Altitude.
    2008-04-23 10:42:05
    93.   Marty
    Martin Short is unwatchable.
    2008-04-23 10:44:20
    94.   fanerman
    Why is Jeff Francis' nickname "The Channel"?
    2008-04-23 10:45:23
    95.   MC Safety
    93 He's no Martin Prince Jr., thats for sure.
    2008-04-23 10:47:17
    96.   Vaudeville Villain
    Hey, Wayne Krivksy was fired. Who will be there to accept ridiculous deals for aging relievers now?
    2008-04-23 10:49:34
    97.   LogikReader
    94

    underdog wishes to know the same thing

    http://badaltitude.baseballtoaster.com/archives/962416.html

    2008-04-23 10:52:15
    98.   LAT
    Frank can't fire Ned. He would lose (more) face. He has owned the team four years. He is on his second GM (third, if you include Evans) and third manager. He would become a (more) laughingstock of an owner. I wonder if he had to do over again, would he:

    a) still fire Depo
    b) Still hire Ned
    c) hire someone else from inside (who)
    d) hire someone from outside (who)

    If Ned is not here next year I would like to see Kim Ng get the nod, even over Logan White. I know White can evaluate talent but can he do the rest of the job? (Not saying he can't. Just saying I don't know.) She deserves the job, she can do the job and it would be in keeping with the Dodgers tradition of breaking barriers.

    2008-04-23 11:00:41
    99.   Jacob L
    At the time I thought the Schmidt signing was a worthwhile risk. I believe I said, however, that I wouldn't be shocked if he was the second coming of Andy Ashby (a money pit with virtually zero contribution to the team).
    2008-04-23 11:01:16
    100.   JoeyP
    I am not excusing Ned from making those deals, the Pierre deal (years not signing him) and the Loiaza deal (?) are head scratchers

    Signing Pierre (irregardless of how many years) said alot about what Ned values.

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    2008-04-23 11:03:12
    101.   LAT
    52. I completly agree with Ringoslby about Pierre. The problem does not lie with Pierre, it lies with Ned. Pierre is who he has always been. He is a nice player on a certain type of team but he was never right for this team. Moreover, the contract he was given was not his fault. Who didn't know he was a slap hitter? Who didn't know he had no arm? Who didn't know he led the league in outs? My problems with JP have rarely been about JP. Rather, they have been about why he is on this team in the first place (and for 5 years).
    2008-04-23 11:04:46
    102.   Tangled Up in Blue
    98 I think Frank can still fire Ned. If he does he will play it so he is bringing in someone who is more in tune with Torre.

    53 Cashman could head west...

    2008-04-23 11:08:44
    103.   bhsportsguy
    81 The 1977 Dodgers led the division by 7.5 games at the 20 game mark (17-3). Their lead would never get lower than 6.5 games for the rest of the season.
    2008-04-23 11:10:35
    104.   JoeyP
    What has Kim Ng really done for the Dodgers? I dont really know enough about her role with the team to fairly evaluate her. I know I've heard she does quite a bit of the contract negotiations, and arbitration.

    Arbitration seems to have been fine for the Dodgers--cant remember a battle they've lost.

    But there are some bad contracts on this team, and if thats part of Ng's responsibility--then she has to be held accountable for her role in that as well.

    If anything, the Dodgers new GM absolutely has to get more people involved with statistical analysis. Screw Plaschke. The usage of statistics (at least using the better ones) is a big bugaboo with this current regime.

    Dodgers cant have anymore of the "He hits .300, gets on base an awful lot...steals 50 bases.." stuff anymore. With the resources of the farm, and the payroll---there's no excuse for not having Red Sox level talent. However, if the talent evaluation component isnt there, then the Dodgers will continually spin their wheels.

    2008-04-23 11:11:18
    105.   madmac
    Signing Pierre (irregardless of how many years) said alot about what Ned values.

    I think my dad must be JoeyP

    2008-04-23 11:11:36
    106.   Tangled Up in Blue
    101 I agree. It has been rehashed here too much so I will refrain from going further.
    2008-04-23 11:16:01
    107.   MC Safety
    Mogwai's "Auto Rock" is the intro to the video on the Juice Blog, for fans of the band.
    2008-04-23 11:18:09
    108.   AKblue
    105
    "Irregardless" is not actually a word in the English language.
    2008-04-23 11:21:01
    109.   LAT
    Whether you agree with Ringoslby or not, it is startling to look at a list of the 12 worst deals in baseball and know your GM, who has only been on the job a couple of years, is responsible for 4 of the 12 clunkers.
    2008-04-23 11:21:46
    110.   Kevin Lewis
    108

    I think that was his point.

    2008-04-23 11:25:04
    111.   CanuckDodger
    Kim Ng over Logan White for GM? There is no legitimate argument for it, other than affirmative action grounds, and I did say "legitimate." Turning JoeyP's question into "What has Logan White done for the Dodgers?" would be downright comical. If White is hired away by another organization, that will be a huge blow to the Dodgers. If Ng leaves, what are we losing, really?
    2008-04-23 11:26:05
    112.   silverwidow
    Cincinnati just fired Wayne Krivski and replaced him with Walt Jocketty.
    2008-04-23 11:27:15
    113.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
    111 Jamie McCourt's Protege
    2008-04-23 11:28:45
    114.   Bob Timmermann
    "Just fired"....

    Sigh

    2008-04-23 11:28:59
    115.   CanuckDodger
    113 -- Is that supposed to be an argument for Ng?
    2008-04-23 11:29:46
    116.   nofatmike
    Is Todd Rundgren supposed to famous or something? I'm only 23.
    2008-04-23 11:33:16
    117.   Xeifrank
    114. Bob, I thought you would've been all over this story. :)
    vr, Xei
    2008-04-23 11:33:44
    118.   Steve in Rochester
    I've been pretty scarce around these parts lately, but I just got an email about an "announcement" tomorrow by the Dodgers about "the future of the stadium". It was a Dodgers On-Deck email, I'm not trying to sound important. Anyway, does anyone know what it's about? Sorry if this is a repeat.
    2008-04-23 11:37:08
    119.   LeeLacy
    93 "Martin Short is unwatchable."

    His turn as Nathan Thurm--the nervous chain-smoking, constantly sweating attorney who represents an overseas company that manufactures counterfeit novelty items--is flat-out brilliant, though.

    2008-04-23 11:38:37
    120.   Steve in Rochester
    118 all I can think of is that they have secured the right to host the World Baseball Classic finals.
    2008-04-23 11:39:15
    121.   underdog
    112 114 See: http://griddle.baseballtoaster.com/archives/962519.html
    2008-04-23 11:39:25
    122.   Jacob L
    118 Not really, but I know the Mayor is involved. Probably has something to do with further development at the site.
    2008-04-23 11:39:34
    123.   LogikReader
    118

    It ought to be more news about the forthcoming rennovations, which are turning out NICELY by the way!

    2008-04-23 11:39:48
    124.   madmac
    110 yes indeed, thanks KL.

    My dad still says it that way. I remember the first time I said "irregardless" to someone and was corrected. I was still at the age when you believe everything your parents tell is the truth and factual. I was so disappointed. It was then that I knew my father was fallible.

    2008-04-23 11:40:36
    125.   underdog
    And for that matter 20

    Anyhoo... I'll be missing the game live tonight as I have a class. Anyone know offhand about what time MLBTV makes games available in the archives? A few hours later?

    2008-04-23 11:41:20
    126.   madmac
    112 I can't believe nobody else on the toaster has reported this.
    2008-04-23 11:42:29
    127.   Hallux Valgus
    116 At the very least, if you've ever been to a stadium before, you've no doubt heard him proclaim his disdain for work, and that he'd much rather bang on the drums all day.

    And that is the very, very least.

    2008-04-23 11:42:56
    128.   MC Safety
    116 Yeah, pretty much. Pioneer fits. I'm only 24, btw.
    2008-04-23 11:51:34
    129.   bcg60
    #116 - His hedey as a singer songwriter was in the 70's. I still have his album Something/Anything? in a box of records at my parent's house. It was actually a pretty good record that yielded 2 hits, Hello, It's Me and I Saw the Light. I still like that record. He's also well known for producing other artists.
    2008-04-23 11:52:03
    130.   AKblue
    124 Yeah, sorry about 108 madmac.
    2008-04-23 11:52:21
    131.   Ken Noe
    April is too early to be firing GMs, but that said, McCourt absolutely will fire him in the fall if the team doesn't improve. But will he hire White, Ng, Cashman, or Torre himself? We should be careful of what we wish for.
    2008-04-23 11:53:18
    132.   MC Safety
    127 For indie/punk types, he produced the New York Dolls. Morrissey has said that the New York Dolls were a huge influence on him. Morrissey is a pretty big deal.
    2008-04-23 11:53:41
    133.   trainwreck
    Marty, no love for An American Werewolf in London?
    2008-04-23 11:53:50
    134.   bcg60
    That should have said heyday as a singer.
    2008-04-23 11:54:25
    135.   jasonungar07
    Top 5 worst SNL movies

    1. It's Pat.
    2. Stuart Saves His Family.
    3. Superstar.
    4. A Night at the Roxbury
    5. The Ladies Man.

    2008-04-23 11:54:30
    136.   Daniel Zappala
    118 The LA Times reported yesterday (one line at the end of a story) that the Dodgers will be announcing their next phase of stadium renovations on Thursday.
    2008-04-23 11:54:37
    137.   trainwreck
    132
    The New York Dolls also lead to the creation of the Sex Pistols.
    2008-04-23 11:55:12
    138.   scareduck
    101 - and in keeping with today's Todd/Rex Rundgren theme, I just wanna bang on the same drum all day (and apparently, all year): the problem with the selection of Ned Colletti was that he was hired as a PR man first. That is, the 2008 Dodgers' roster is every bit Frank McCourt's responsibility, and given his thin skin -- which is in practice turning out to be his biggest liability, rather than his indebtedness (so far) -- we can expect the next GM to have the same characteristics. I expect a mediocre season from the Dodgers, maybe 85-77 and a second or third place finish, with a summary execution of Colletti to follow.

    And McCourt will make exactly the same mistake again.

    2008-04-23 11:56:02
    139.   scareduck
    135 - Lorne Michaels needs to be kept away from a movie studio. It's no surprise that all of those are post-1981.
    2008-04-23 11:57:57
    140.   madmac
    130 no worries
    2008-04-23 11:59:20
    141.   nofatmike
    116 Thanks. And since that song is stuck in my head again, I at least know who to kill.
    2008-04-23 12:00:47
    142.   Bill Crain
    138
    That's what I would expect, too. But what could have made him go with Billy Beane's recommendation the first time?
    2008-04-23 12:03:50
    143.   bhsportsguy
    138 I don't see the indebtness being in issue unless attendance drops off tremendously or he decides to over extend himself on building an entertainment/restaurant area outside of the stadium.
    2008-04-23 12:05:10
    144.   Steve in Rochester
    136 thanks. wonder if it's something significant, have they had press conferences before to announce renovation plans?
    2008-04-23 12:05:26
    145.   nofatmike
    139 Wayne's World?
    2008-04-23 12:05:43
    146.   Reddog
    Its very simple, really. Either the Dodgers go deep into the postseason or Colletti is gone. Its true, McCourt can't fire Colletti any sooner than after this season is over - he would just have egg all over his face. But Torre is the man now, and if they don't go deep into the playoffs, Colletti is gone.
    McCourt will be able to spin it in several different ways, so that he doesn't come off looking stupid.

    On the other hand, I have no doubt that McCourt - who obviously cares about the bottom line, realizes Colletti has been incredibly wasteful of his money.

    2008-04-23 12:07:06
    147.   MC Safety
    137 Definitely. That means he somewhat influenced Marty, too.
    2008-04-23 12:08:17
    148.   Tangled Up in Blue
    138 To take that a step further I think the McCourt hired Depo because he was one of the focal points of Moneyball, a book that everyone was talking about. In other words, I think he hired Depo for PR reasons as well.

    I think Frank misjudged the backlash the book would receive.

    At the time I thought that McCourt "got it" and was hiring Depo because of his new school thinking about baseball.

    2008-04-23 12:08:52
    149.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
    [115} No, just a joke. Every time i see Ms. McCourt on TV, she is talking about women in executive sports positions. Just seemed logical to chime in with that.

    I just think Ned is in over his head. Kind of like Mike Nolan as HC of SF49ers. They're both real good when they're not the head hauncho, but let them call the shots, and hold your breath.

    2008-04-23 12:09:09
    150.   scareduck
    142 - huh? DePodesta's mark on this team is largely the positive things about it. Brad Penny is on this team (and Paul LoDuca/Guillermo Mota are not) because of DePodesta. DePo brought Milton Bradley to the team for essentially filler. About the only good thing Ned has done was to get Andre Ethier out of the A's for Bradley, and failed to trade away the real cream of the kids coming up. But his free agency deals have been so far near total disasters.
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    2008-04-23 12:09:55
    151.   fanerman
    142 Moneyball was the hot new thing at the time.
    2008-04-23 12:10:55
    152.   scareduck
    145 - didn't see it, and I hated the sketches on SNL. They just weren't funny, and if I don't like the sketches, no way am I giving a feature movie a chance.
    2008-04-23 12:12:20
    153.   underdog
    Hey folks, since we were talking about film earlier, it inspired me to go out and create a special free trial specifically for Dodger Thoughts commenters, for GreenCine.com. It is the Netflix-like company I work for, specializing in more arty fare but has mainstream stuff, too. They are based out of LA now so shipping times if you're in SoCal should be particularly fast. You can also test it for me and give feedback as to how it works.

    Anyhoo, if interested, go here:
    https://www.greencine.com/registration?1=1

    and use promo code:
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    in the promo code space.

    :-)

    Alas, I could only get them to agree to a 10 day free trial for y'all. So hopefully you'll stay aboard after then, but if not remember to cancel at that point.

    --advertisement, OFF--

    2008-04-23 12:14:46
    154.   LAT
    We know Logan White is a great evaluator of prospect talent. (I'm not sure about vets cause I don't know if he signed off on Schmidt, Pierre, Jones or Loaiza.) His skill set is extremely valuable. However, that alone, does not qualify him to be GM. I don't know if Logan White can even balance his checkbook. I'm not saying he can't I'm just saying being the best scout in baseball does not necessarily translate into being a good GM.

    On the other hand, I assume serving as Asst. GM for numerous years in LA nad NY and having every GM you work for speak highly of your abilities would seem to qualify you.

    2008-04-23 12:14:51
    155.   bhsportsguy
    Who said this?

    "The games are not played by computers. It comes down to whether players can perform in critical situations. There's a human element to this that is not measurable. You have to mesh everything into the decision-making process."

    2008-04-23 12:16:31
    156.   nofatmike
    152 But you're missing out in-car, lip-synch of all-time!!!
    2008-04-23 12:16:37
    157.   Bill Crain
    No, what I'm asking is how you can reconcile the two hires. In the case of Colletti it seems to have been about PR. In the case of DePo it must have been something else. DePodesta was doing a brilliant job, but was fired for reasons not fully understood.

    It would be really, really, really silly to fire the GM because of the team's record this season.

    The only thing I can think of sillier than that would be hiring Ned in the first place.

    2008-04-23 12:18:03
    158.   Bill Crain
    157 should have referred to 150
    2008-04-23 12:18:29
    159.   nofatmike
    156 But you're missing out on the best in-car, lip-synch of all-time!!!
    2008-04-23 12:18:55
    160.   regfairfield
    157 I think the reasons that DePo were fired were pretty well understood. Unpopular GM leads team to 91 loss season, pretty simple.
    2008-04-23 12:20:55
    161.   trainwreck
    DJ Augustin just announced he is entering the NBA draft.
    2008-04-23 12:21:20
    162.   Hallux Valgus
    161 and Abrams
    2008-04-23 12:21:22
    163.   Tangled Up in Blue
    157 see 148 .

    He was fired because of negative PR. The press and the old guard, including some in the Dodger organization, wanted him out.

    Actually the press and the guard are in the same group.

    2008-04-23 12:21:51
    164.   Jim Hitchcock
    152 You are not worthy.
    2008-04-23 12:22:12
    165.   D4P
    Is there anything to stop schmucks like us from entering the NBA draft?
    2008-04-23 12:22:19
    166.   regfairfield
    150 Furcal and Saito make up for a lot of transgressions. Jones is going to have to completely tank for it to not work out well in the end.
    2008-04-23 12:22:26
    167.   Marty
    I was never a Todd Rundgren fan, but I'm a huge New York Dolls fan.

    I was very very very disappointed in American Werewolf in London.

    2008-04-23 12:22:45
    168.   Jim Hitchcock
    153 I shudder at the thought of underdog having a list of DT commenters who rent porn.
    2008-04-23 12:22:53
    169.   MC Safety
    More Rundgren stuff:

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0750221/

    2008-04-23 12:24:18
    170.   Jim Hitchcock
    I was very very very disappointed in American Werewolf in London.

    Wow. I absolutely love that movie, and Jenny Agutter is only part of the equation.

    2008-04-23 12:24:44
    171.   Bill Crain
    160
    Or was it the manager search?

    Or Tommy whispering in somebody's ear?

    A personality conflict? A call not immediately returned?

    I don't think McCourt is up to a reasoned deliberation of the GM's philosophical approach. So maybe it was just W-L. What really happened, who knows?

    2008-04-23 12:25:16
    172.   Hallux Valgus
    165 just a whole bunch of forms. I vaguely remember some random student at LSU declaring for the draft a couple of years ago.
    2008-04-23 12:30:06
    173.   Kevin Lewis
    135

    I am so happy to say I have not seen any of those movies.

    153

    Thanks, I will look into that. I imagine the 9.95 plan is 1 out at a time unlimited per month?

    2008-04-23 12:30:37
    174.   Bill Crain
    163 148
    Yeah, all that stuff's in the public record; it's the conventional wisdom.

    What I'm saying, we don't really know. Rob seems to be trying to put a gloss on Frank's decision-making and predict a future outcome.

    My opinion, every decision he makes is for a different reason. There are no guiding principles. It's all guesswork.

    2008-04-23 12:34:27
    175.   underdog
    168 Hah hah. Don't worry, only our support staff has access directly to people's queues, so you can add as much p**n as you like, and National Treasure 2, for all I care, and I won't say boo.

    However, we are preventing people from renting "The Hottie and the Nottie" by not making that one available at all. You have to take a stand somewhere!

    173 Indeed, it is.
    And all the plans are unlimited. I think the free trial is for 3 out at a time, but then you can cut back to 2 or 1 if you want.

    2008-04-23 12:35:06
    176.   underdog
    Man, the NBA draft this year is going to be loaded. LOADED.
    2008-04-23 12:36:58
    177.   trainwreck
    Who rents or buys adult films?

    I thought the internet was created to fix this problem.

    2008-04-23 12:37:26
    178.   MC Safety
    175 Do you guys have a lot of music stuff?
    2008-04-23 12:39:38
    179.   D4P
    Who rents or buys films?

    I thought the internet was created to fix this problem.

    2008-04-23 12:40:45
    180.   trainwreck
    Mario Chalmers is also entering the draft, but won't hire an agent.

    It may be smart for Darren Collison to wait a year.

    2008-04-23 12:46:21
    181.   underdog
    178 Yeah, some good stuff. Lots of good music docs. And concerts. Not every single music video compilation, though, they don't tend to rent all that well.
    http://tinyurl.com/5qrxk2

    ---
    Yah Collison, wait a year! It's the smart thing to do.

    2008-04-23 12:48:15
    182.   trainwreck
    181
    I did notice your site had a lot of Hentai. Not surprising that is popular in California.
    2008-04-23 12:49:07
    183.   underdog
    182 And, er, not just California, either.

    It's good stuff if you like, uh, tentacles involved, with, you know.

    2008-04-23 12:51:14
    184.   fanerman
    underdog,
    What would you say is the turnaround time to get new movies? Between dropping it in the mailbox on a morning (so it's picked up the same day) to receiving your next movie in your mailbox?

    Also, do new releases require long waits before you can get them quickly?

    2008-04-23 12:52:39
    185.   trainwreck
    183
    Yeah, that is not surprising either.

    America, ______ yeah!

    2008-04-23 12:52:55
    186.   MC Safety
    Why does it seem like players are becoming more and more disgruntled in the NFL?

    Is it part of the "entertainment" of the sport, or is everyone involved just really greedy?

    2008-04-23 12:57:06
    187.   trainwreck
    186
    Because contracts are not guaranteed so it is in your best interest to keep trying to get a new deal, so you can get more guaranteed money.

    By the way, I would love for Anquan Boldin to be a Raider.

    2008-04-23 13:02:38
    188.   underdog
    184 All depends. But it's about 1-2 day turnaround for LA peeps and 2-3 day turnaround on avg for Bay Area peeps. BUT we added this "quick return" feature a few months of ago that helps speed things along greatly. You just click that when you've sent something back and then you'll get next avail items sent to you before those other ones need to be rec'd. Makes it all pretty fast.

    New releases vary - the most popular titles we'll get more copies of, too, but yeah for the very popular new releases there can be a wait. You just have to add them to your queue as soon as we add them on our site and then you have higher priority over people who add them later. Tons of stuff to choose from tho.

    You can email me if you have other questions so we don't bore people here - craig@greencine dot com or fanerman you have my email.

    187 What, Javon Walker's not enough for you?

    2008-04-23 13:05:34
    189.   trainwreck
    188
    Not at all. I want more!!
    2008-04-23 13:07:49
    190.   Tangled Up in Blue
    174 I wouldn't say that everything I wrote is public record or conventional wisdom. I guess I was just trying to expand on Rob's opinion that McCourt looks at decisions from a PR perspective first. Looking back I feel that Depo was hired and ultimately fired due to PR.

    It is just an opinion so you are right when you say it is all guesswork.

    On to bigger things, is it too soon to say this is a huge series for the Dodgers?

    2008-04-23 13:09:07
    191.   D4P
    190
    It's apparently not too soon for Tony Jackson to utter the phrase "monumental two-game set with the Snakes".
    2008-04-23 13:11:43
    192.   underdog
    191 - Everything seems that way when you listen to too much Journey and watch too much "Varsity Blues."
    2008-04-23 13:12:22
    193.   Tangled Up in Blue
    191 Wow, I just unknowingly agreed with Tony Jackson. Does this mean I now have to love Journey and the movie Varsity Blues?
    2008-04-23 13:12:55
    194.   Tangled Up in Blue
    192 Ok that was weird.
    2008-04-23 13:13:14
    195.   trainwreck
    192
    It is against the law for anyone in the Bay Area to rip on Journey.
    2008-04-23 13:13:23
    196.   D4P
    Course, Tony Jackson can't be taken too seriously, given his love for Journey and Varsity Blu...

    Oh, never mind.

    2008-04-23 13:13:57
    197.   D4P
    Does anyone around here remember the Journey arcade game...?
    2008-04-23 13:16:13
    198.   Reddog
    Does anyone here care if we get an NFL team?
    I loved the Rams when they were our team, and now I really hardly follow the NFL since we have no team. I think it would be great if we had our own team, and it seems dumb to me that the 2nd largest city in the U.S. doesn't have an NFL team.

    What would be better, getting an existing team to move here, or starting over with an expansion team?

    2008-04-23 13:16:18
    199.   LogikReader
    197

    I can't believe this was a real video game:

    http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php?game_id=8242

    2008-04-23 13:16:55
    200.   trainwreck
    197
    http://tinyurl.com/6rmete
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    2008-04-23 13:18:27
    201.   trainwreck
    198
    LA won't get an expansion team. League is set on number of teams and if they expand it will be internationally.
    2008-04-23 13:19:18
    202.   D4P
    200
    I was already watching that, before you posted it. That takes me back. There was a Journey game at the Dari-Mart near my house back in the mid-80s. It ate up a lot of my quarters.
    2008-04-23 13:20:27
    203.   Marty
    Jackson also adores Juan Castro.
    2008-04-23 13:21:15
    204.   D4P
    Castro is a GREAT guy in the clubhouse.
    2008-04-23 13:21:21
    205.   trainwreck
    202
    Sigh, BJ Penn is already talking about his lack of cardio. He is going to need to put away Sherk quickly.
    2008-04-23 13:21:47
    206.   MollyKnight
    XeiFrank is famous! And it's not Guo related!

    http://tinyurl.com/6lvfof

    And I wasn't even in charge of the Dodger write-up!

    2008-04-23 13:22:52
    207.   LogikReader
    200

    Insane... they used an actual tape of "Seperate Ways" for the "rock band" level of the game. That's hilarious, and a harbinger of life before digital audio.

    2008-04-23 13:23:34
    208.   scareduck
    160 - plus DePo was not the most adept at schmoozing the press. Plaschke hated him from day zero.

    174 - I really don't see how you can say that. Virtually every decision McCourt has made, outside of his populating the front office with family members, has been PR first.

    2008-04-23 13:25:05
    209.   LogikReader
    207

    "harbinger" is a bad word choice. "Example" is better.

    2008-04-23 13:25:24
    210.   D4P
    205
    I'm already tired of the UFC. I wish PRIDE were still around.
    2008-04-23 13:27:10
    211.   underdog
    Juan Castro loves Journey and Varsi... ah, fergetit.
    2008-04-23 13:27:14
    212.   scareduck
    208 - to expand, Moneyball was still the rage when DePo was hired, so in he went; after one losing season, DePo was out. Colletti came up as a PR guy when he was with the Cubs, so in he went. The guy (can't remember his name) responsible for botching the field level seats got canned after they turned out to be terrible, and ONLY after the season started and people complained. And then there's the long string of others fired for cause or not.
    2008-04-23 13:27:47
    213.   MC Safety
    205 210 Do either of you think Forrest Griffin stands a chance against Rampage?
    2008-04-23 13:28:59
    214.   underdog
    I feel about UFC Thoughts the way Xei feels about TV Thoughts, I'd imagine.

    Btw, speaking of that Journey video game (ack!), did anyone see "King of Kong"? That movie was awesome.

    2008-04-23 13:29:35
    215.   trainwreck
    213
    He stands a chance, because he is in ridiculous shape and will continually try to push the pace. Rampage needs to use his strength advantage to win.
    2008-04-23 13:30:01
    216.   Bluebleeder87
    158 un-biased view. He did a GOOD job if I could choose NOW I'd definitely take Home Depo over NedCo...
    2008-04-23 13:30:08
    217.   D4P
    213
    I think Forrest would have a decent chance of taking it to a decision, which he would inevitably lose.
    2008-04-23 13:31:00
    218.   trainwreck
    214
    Yeah, I heard they may make a sequel.
    2008-04-23 13:34:52
    219.   Bluebleeder87
    There is some moves Depo made I didnt like (Drew) but I really think he didnt get a fair shake by MEDIA countions McCourts
    2008-04-23 13:39:19
    220.   Bill Crain
    208
    So you're saying that DePo was about PR? I guess that's possible, but it would have been an incredibly bad judgment of what the PR value would really be. It was easily predictable that Plaschke and his ilk would be outraged. For Frank to have thought DePo would be well-received by the press he would have had to be unaware that Moneyball was even controversial.

    I don't know; I don't strongly disagree with your analysis of his other moves. It seems to me more like he's flipping a coin. Jaime has a bad hair day, then it's PR for a week. The week after it's all about tradition and he's on the phone to Koufax. A friend of my Dad's who was an LA cop used to complain constantly that he could never catch the dumbest criminals. They never plan anything, so they're unpredictable.

    2008-04-23 13:40:58
    221.   Bluebleeder87
    the ironic thing about Depo I'd that he kept Izzy & it was Ned who shipped him out.
    2008-04-23 13:41:07
    222.   fiddlestick
    212 I thought McCourt's kid was responsible for botching the lower seats?
    2008-04-23 13:41:48
    223.   Disabled List
    206 That makes two national sports publications that Xeifrank has now been quoted in. Not bad.
    2008-04-23 13:43:19
    224.   LogikReader
    Now I wonder.

    Would we have been better off with 5 years of Torii Hunter?

    .301/.363/.548 with 4 HRs and 11 RBIs, so far.

    Now I was dead set against signing Hunter, and if you ask me now I'd still be dead set against it. Torii Hunter is still being paid too much.

    2008-04-23 13:44:44
    225.   Disabled List
    193 et al.

    Tangled Up in Blue

    Every time you post, I get that song stuck in my head. Although I guess if you're gonna have a song stuck in your head, that's a pretty good one.

    2008-04-23 13:47:00
    226.   El Lay Dave
    206 Man, he always gets k/guoted.

    Took me awhile to find the main article since ESPN didn't provide a link back. So, each category is an ordinal ranking from 1 to 122, which means the 107 "bang for the buck" rating is particularly bad, but it's wins/fanRevenue, so most big-market teams won't fare well there since the denominator is usually larger.

    2008-04-23 13:47:04
    227.   scareduck
    220 - For Frank to have thought DePo would be well-received by the press he would have had to be unaware that Moneyball was even controversial.

    His sons were all in favor of it at the time. It's not clear to me that he really thought much about the decision beyond that sounding board.

    2008-04-23 13:48:22
    228.   Tangled Up in Blue
    220 That is funny because I have a friend who is a cop that says the complete opposite. He says the reason they catch criminals is because they are dumb and predictable. He says they rarely catch the smart ones.

    Regarding Depo, you could be right. I think that because Moneyball WAS controversial meant that people knew who Depo was and were talking about him. There is your PR. Keep in mind he fired his PR Exec during the Depo fiasco.

    2008-04-23 13:48:28
    229.   trainwreck
    I always thought the biggest reason that Frank hired DePo was because he could run the team on a budget.
    2008-04-23 13:51:55
    230.   Bill Crain
    221
    Sometimes you do what the market dictates. Sometimes good decisions don't work out well. Sometimes poor decisions yield spectacular results. I'ts about having an intelligent approach.

    If Paul Depodesta's team loses a hundred games four years in a row, my judgment is he's still a smarter guy and a better GM than Ned Colletti could ever dream of being. Mantle strikes out twenty times in a row, you still want him instead of Rudy Law.

    2008-04-23 13:52:00
    231.   Marty
    Maybe its just that cops can't catch criminals in general.
    2008-04-23 13:53:33
    232.   scareduck
    220 - as for "tradition", everybody in baseball is in favor of tradition so long as it's winning they're pointing to. In practice, other factors take precedence.

    224 - I maintain the Hunter signing is a mistake for the Angels, ultimately, because most of his deal will be a waste (I'm thinking years three, four, and five). The Halos already had a couple of decent CF candidates before they signed Gary Matthews, Jr. to an obscene five-year deal (Chone Figgins, and in the wings, Reggie Willits), but choise, inexplicably, to ignore both. What could have possibly possessed Bill Stoneman to think Matthews, Jr. was going to produce at numbers that were outliers for both age and career ever, ever again? The Angels needed some offense, it's true, but they overpaid for the wrong kind, and in Hunter, got a guy who epitomizes the worst misfeatures of the Angels' offensive thinking, hacktasticness in particular.

    2008-04-23 13:54:21
    233.   Xeifrank
    206. I still stand by that comment and feel it is one of my best. What thread is that from. If I remember correctly, it's an old one...?
    vr, Xei
    2008-04-23 13:54:53
    234.   be2ween
    This may have already been addressed ... but what's the deal re: tomorrow's press conference and 'the future of Dodger Stadium'?
    2008-04-23 13:54:55
    235.   Bill Crain
    227
    That I agree with completely. I don't think he gives anything much thought.
    2008-04-23 13:55:48
    236.   scareduck
    232 - in the Halos' FO's defense, at least Hunter has some power, though I think that's going to be history after 2009.
    2008-04-23 13:57:11
    237.   fanerman
    225 Haha me, too, actually.
    2008-04-23 13:57:27
    238.   scareduck
    234 - so long as the words "nuclear option" aren't being used, the Dodgers are fairly safe. I think.
    2008-04-23 13:58:00
    239.   JoeyP
    DePo's worst moves were signing Izturis to his 3yr deal, giving Gagne his deal (instead of taking him to arbitration again), Scott Erickson, and Jim Tracy.

    However, it would have been nice to see DePo spend 120 mils per year on payroll, with a loaded farm system, as opposed to Ned.

    I wouldnt be surprised after this season (if Ned is let go), that another stat oriented GM is given the job. It was widely reported that the McCourts love the Boston Red Sox, so why not run the Dodgers exactly like them...?

    2008-04-23 14:01:33
    240.   trainwreck
    239
    Frank desperately wanted Theo Epstein before he hired Ned.
    2008-04-23 14:02:11
    241.   Tangled Up in Blue
    225 Sorry.

    Paranoidandroid does the same thing to me.

    239 I would add extending Odalis Perez to that list.

    2008-04-23 14:04:17
    242.   LogikReader
    239

    Imagine if they really did hire Cashman. Aside from that, I have no problem with the Dodgers trying to out-Boston Boston.

    Do we consider Brian Cashman a "stat-oriented" GM?

    2008-04-23 14:05:14
    243.   LogikReader
    239

    No wait, let's give the job to MOSE!!! Mose I tell you! Maybe he can hire Dwight as a "special bears and beets" consultant.

    2008-04-23 14:06:18
    244.   scareduck
    242 - sure, if the statistic is how much money you have to spend on payroll. :-)
    2008-04-23 14:07:47
    245.   bhsportsguy
    239 Signing Julio Lugo for 4 years, giving Drew a 5 year deal, re-upping Schilling for another year despite injury concerns. Resigning Mike Lowell at his age.

    They win but a lot has to do with having 2 of the best offensive forces in baseball in Manny and Big Papi. Some teams have one, most have none but not too many have two players who can OPS over .900 on their team.

    I think statistical analysis helps and surely they do more but I also think they employ a lot of what is called old school baseball methods and they are subject to same flaws and hiccups as everyone else.

    2008-04-23 14:09:32
    246.   Bill Crain
    239 240
    Now you're talking. Do the McCourts have enough money to hire away Bill James? Is there enough money in all of Los Angeles?

    Maybe I'm just convincing myself McCourt is entirely unpredictable because I'm unwilling to give up hope that something like this is still possible.

    2008-04-23 14:10:30
    247.   be2ween
    238 Maybe they're going to re-name it... Carl's Jr Stadium or something else COMPLETELY suitable.
    2008-04-23 14:11:03
    248.   Eric Enders
    239 DePo didn't hire Jim Tracy. And if riding a hot NRI (Erickson) for a few starts longer than necessary is one of a GM's worst moves, then it's safe to say that GM was doing a pretty good job.

    Some other bad DePo moves you omitted:
    1) Giving Dave Roberts away for nothing of value
    2) Non-tendering Werth
    3) This one, I think, is his worst move as a GM -- refusing to take Victorino back from the Phillies for $25,000.

    2008-04-23 14:12:17
    249.   regfairfield
    248 Ned non tendered Werth. I think every DePo move is totally defendable except the Victorino one.
    2008-04-23 14:12:57
    250.   Tangled Up in Blue
    245 They also have some good pitching. They have drafted pretty well too.
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    2008-04-23 14:14:31
    251.   Eric Enders
    249 Stupid me... this whole time I thought that was DePo. In my defense, it happened less than a month after Colletti was hired.
    2008-04-23 14:15:28
    252.   Bill Crain
    Now the conversation is back where it belongs.

    Where's Steve?

    2008-04-23 14:21:14
    253.   Hythloday
    231 And yet we have the highest incarceration rate in the developed world. Curious.
    2008-04-23 14:21:58
    254.   JoeyP
    245--Lugo was a dumb move, but I think every other move there is rather defensible. Lowell and Drew are still good players. Its not uncommon that large market teams will pay more in years just so they have a talented player in the near term. The problem is when you give 5 year deals to guys you wouldnt even want on your team for 1 year (Pierre).

    241--Considering Odalis' age and track record up to the point that he was signed, I dont think it was a bad deal at the time. 3/24 mils for a pitcher that was 27yrs old coming off a great year. His age situation and contract extension wasnt that different than Penny's.

    2008-04-23 14:22:08
    255.   Bluebleeder87
    ah yes, the Victorino incident (sp?)
    2008-04-23 14:22:38
    256.   Jacob Burch
    As a cheap-seat lover and someone who avoids stadium criticism, what's wrong (was wrong?) with the lower seats? I was thinking of splurging for some for my father's day, but you all have me cautious now.
    2008-04-23 14:24:00
    257.   Jim Hitchcock
    234 Supposedly about the next round of stadium renovations.
    2008-04-23 14:24:30
    258.   trainwreck
    245
    I think statistical analysis is what hurt them when it came to signing Lugo. They saw that he had been putting up good numbers the last couple years in a bad park in Tampa.

    At least he is getting on base this year. As of right now, their deal with Drew is not much of an issue. In a few years, Drew's contract could be decent for his production value. Plus, the Red Sox can afford to eat bad contracts if they have to.

    2008-04-23 14:25:02
    259.   bhsportsguy
    256 The old ones were not aligned to watch baseball, unless you like sitting at a severe angle. They fixed it the following year. Aside from the price, have not heard much about them in a negative way since then.
    2008-04-23 14:25:53
    260.   Tangled Up in Blue
    This is a random question for you. I have been thinking about it for over a year and now that the ESPN driven controversy over whether Joba Chamberlain should be starting now...

    Should the Dodgers ever consider moving Broxton to the starting rotation? Wasn't he a starter for part of his career in the minors?

    2008-04-23 14:28:07
    261.   JoeyP
    260--I've been on the Broxton to starter, Kemp to CF, LaRoche to 2b thing forever.

    Broxton used to be a starter, but the Dodgers scouts dont think he has the endurance to last. With an arm like his, its too bad they never let him really try. Its probably not that late in his career to back starting, but he has said in interviews that he likes pitching in the bullpen.

    2008-04-23 14:28:38
    262.   Eric Enders
    There's something to be said for making Broxton a starter. However, two things would convince me to leave him where he is:
    1) He gained 4-6 mph on his fastball when he moved to the pen, and
    2) He has expressed an emphatic preference for being a reliever.
    2008-04-23 14:28:56
    263.   underdog
    Holy cow, one of my favorite filmmakers Emir Kusturica, has made a documentary on Diego Maradona (soccer star). Will be out this year. Wow, that could be interesting.
    2008-04-23 14:28:59
    264.   bhsportsguy
    When it is all said and done, DePodesta will remembered for trading LoDuca and Ned for signing Pierre.
    2008-04-23 14:29:17
    265.   Bill Crain
    258
    I don't think the Red Sox have been hurt by statistical analysis. Given the people we're talking about, they can probably adjust for park effects.
    2008-04-23 14:31:10
    266.   D4P
    JD Drew hasn't been a total bust for Boston. Despite his poor numbers last year, he still got on base 37% of the time, and he's over 40% this year. His biggest problem seems to be less power, presumably stemming from his shoulder problems.
    2008-04-23 14:31:19
    267.   Eric Enders
    All of the "bad" moves mentioned by the Red Sox so far were defensible calculated risks, IMO. They can afford to take those kinds of risks because they have the ability to outspend their mistakes.
    2008-04-23 14:32:42
    268.   Tangled Up in Blue
    262 He gained that much velocity after moving to the pen?

    I had heard that he preferred to be a reliever but I couldnt help but think how great he could be as a starter.

    2008-04-23 14:33:42
    269.   trainwreck
    265
    I did not say that statistical analysis hurt them overall. Just that, they did not sign Lugo because of old school scouting methods.
    2008-04-23 14:34:27
    270.   El Lay Dave
    267 When will the Dodgers be able to? When the television broadcast revenue stream goes from Fox to McCourt in 2013? Or can LA do so already, thus making the Schmidt gamble reasonable (wasn't that the general consensus at the time)?
    2008-04-23 14:36:19
    271.   JoeyP
    He also considers actress Liv Tyler his sister, although they aren't related by blood. They were raised as siblings before a paternity test determined Aerosmith lead singer Steven Tyler to be Liv's father. She was 10 at the time and Rex 7.

    I wonder if Liv Tyler was ever like, "Mom, what were you doing back in the 70s..."

    http://tinyurl.com/5t4xdt

    2008-04-23 14:37:50
    272.   bhsportsguy
    267 I just think that the Pierre deal is so unpopular and when you add the injuries to Schmidt and Wolf, it colors everything and makes a discussion about Ned difficult to have. I know Jon posted a piece about how DePodesta and Ned were more similar a few years ago but I think once JP was signed it all went out the window.
    2008-04-23 14:38:07
    273.   Eric Enders
    268 "Broxton's heavy, sinking fastball climbed from 92-94 mph to 96-98 and he touched triple digits when he moved to the bullpen."

    - Baseball America's Dodgers Top 10 Prospects report, 12/9/2005

    2008-04-23 14:38:49
    274.   bhsportsguy
    270 The Dodgers, Cubs, Angels, Red Sox, Mets, and Yankees would fall into that category.
    2008-04-23 14:41:19
    275.   Eric Enders
    I don't think the Dodgers will ever be able to outspend their mistakes to the degree the Red Sox and Yankees can, but they can do it somewhat already. The Jones signing is a good example.
    2008-04-23 14:44:55
    276.   bhsportsguy
    275 The Angels with Matthews and Hunter too.
    2008-04-23 14:48:35
    277.   Jim Hitchcock
    256 They also had too many rows, with not enough elevation between them, so you had to have the ability to see through people's heads.
    2008-04-23 14:52:53
    278.   scareduck
    259 - Cthluhu, especially.
    2008-04-23 14:54:00
    279.   Hythloday
    277 Speaking of SNL Thoughts. Head! Pants! Now!

    He's got a huge head. It's like Sputnik! It's like an orange on a toothpick!

    2008-04-23 14:55:31
    280.   scareduck
    272 - which is to say, the facts of the comparison then outraced the theory of Jon's older piece. It was an interesting review at the time, but -- and I fully admit this is the rearview mirror talking -- it seems Ned has made far worse mistakes.
    2008-04-23 14:57:35
    281.   silverwidow
    Why is Ned completely silent of late? I mean, ZERO quotes anywhere on the state of the team.
    2008-04-23 14:59:42
    282.   D4P
    Why is Ned completely silent of late? I mean, ZERO quotes anywhere on the state of the team

    Apparently, the media is not asking him about the team.

    I also get the impression that the media is not talking much about Torre's "winning ways" these days.

    2008-04-23 15:01:43
    283.   bhsportsguy
    280 What's your take of the last years of Stoneman's time with the Angels and the new guy.

    281 You had to expect that once the season started, Joe Torre would be the focal point for all things Dodgers. The man is probably making at least 8 times more than Ned and has won more than Ned.

    2008-04-23 15:03:01
    284.   silverwidow
    283 But the GM makes the final decisions, so his opinion obviously matters. Yet he isn't speaking.
    2008-04-23 15:05:58
    285.   El Lay Dave
    284 Plaschke and Simers are focused on the Lakers in the playoffs right now.
    2008-04-23 15:07:11
    286.   El Lay Dave
    275 Maybe Kuroda too; do they sign him if Schmidt had been 100% healthy and effective?
    2008-04-23 15:08:05
    287.   bhsportsguy
    286 Good point, maybe they don't.
    2008-04-23 15:11:13
    288.   D4P
    I'm not convinced that being able to "outspend mistakes" is inherently good. For one thing, it often dictates overpaying for (often overrated) free agents rather than considering other options, such as giving young prospects a chance to win the job.
    2008-04-23 15:12:32
    289.   Bill Crain
    278
    The Great Old Ones don't like it when their names are misspelled. Clemente especially, though he did have a better arm than Cthulhu.
    2008-04-23 15:15:42
    290.   Jon Weisman
    Have you guys read Andrew's latest at TBLA? You've been talking about GMs, but I didn't see a link:

    http://www.truebluela.com/2008/4/23/459609/sabermetrics-are-dead

    2008-04-23 15:16:54
    291.   Eric Stephen
    Heineken Light is the latest company to employ the MC Escher commercial technique. Their latest commercial (much like, is it Farmer's Insurance?) starts with one guy giving a beer to some random person. That person passes the favor along to another person, and so on and so on, until a person gives a Heineken Light to the original person, who ends the commercial as he started it.

    I think the Dodgers should do a commercial like this. Maybe start with someone getting Dodger tickets, and start the cycle.

    2008-04-23 15:17:19
    292.   Kevin Lewis
    288

    But is that the curse of being in a big market?

    2008-04-23 15:18:46
    293.   D4P
    288
    Partly. Fans expect ownership to "demonstrate their commitment to winning" by spending a lot of money.
    2008-04-23 15:20:08
    294.   D4P
    Apparently, TBLA doesn't like it when a lot of people are trying to access it simultaneously.
    2008-04-23 15:20:37
    295.   scareduck
    281 - It's hard to talk when your neck is in a noose.
    2008-04-23 15:21:46
    296.   Marty
    Yeah, the site is down for maintenance according to the screen I got.
    2008-04-23 15:24:06
    297.   Eric Enders
    288 "I'm not convinced that being able to "outspend mistakes" is inherently good. For one thing, it often dictates overpaying for (often overrated) free agents rather than considering other options, such as giving young prospects a chance to win the job."

    You can't in all seriousness be suggesting that the Red Sox are reluctant to give young prospects a chance to win jobs. In the last 2+ years alone, you have Papelbon, Lester, Buchholz, Pedroia, Delcarmen, and Ellsbury, with more on the way.

    It's not like a team says, hey, let's go and spend too much money on a guy who sucks. They spend money on guys who they think have a reasonable chance of working out. Drew's always been an outstanding hitter. Lugo's a better than average shortstop, a position where they had a gaping hole. Lowell was coming off an all-world year. And Schilling was a World Series hero who they probably had to keep for PR purposes, and whom it was reasonable to believe still had something left.

    So those didn't work out for them, although the jury's still out in a couple of those cases. Still, they took similar risks elsewhere which have worked out -- namely Matsuzaka and Varitek, which were both infinitely riskier moves than the four listed above. In Matsuzaka's case, they spent $104 mil on a guy who'd never thrown a major league pitch, and in Varitek's case, they spent $40 mil on a catcher's age 33-36 seasons. Those guys paid off and helped them win a World Series, and that's what it's all about.

    The whole idea is, you make moves that you think are likely to work out. But if they don't, you still have a budget to fall back on. Other teams, if they sign a guy to a long-term contract who doesn't work out, are hamstrung by that contract to the point where they have trouble fielding a winning team. See the A's with Chavez, Harden, and Loaiza.

    Everybody's going to make mistakes, so why would you want to be in a position where your mistakes are uncorrectable?

    2008-04-23 15:27:57
    298.   D4P
    297
    I'm too lazy to go back and look, but I didn't think the Red Sox were included in the earlier discussion of particular mistakes that teams were able to outspend. I wasn't thinking about the Red Sox when I made the comment.
    2008-04-23 15:30:27
    299.   Eric Enders
    298 Oh, OK. Nevermind then. ;)
    2008-04-23 15:31:29
    300.   scareduck
    283 - Stoneman was a mixed bag. IMO he backed into a title; it helped that the team he assembled was playing in an AL West in 2002 where three teams were over 90 wins, and the Angels only placed second. This isn't really a good place to write about Stoneman, but my off-the-cuff impressions:

    1) Very good at rebuilding the farm, and the second biggest success of his career after the 2002 title. The fact that they've continued to do this after firing Donny Rowland and replacing him with Eddie Bane says a lot about the staff he assembled.
    2) Not the smartest about free agent contracts, on the low end (Eric Owens?) or the high end (Gary Matthews, Jr., Bartolo Colon), though some of that was just bad luck. But blocking Jered Weaver with Jeff? C'mon.
    3) NEVER made a trade, and had a mixed record when he did. Highlights were Kimera Bartee for Chone Figgins, and Juan Rivera/Maicer Izturis for Jose Guillen (an amazing haul considering it was widely known he HAD to move Guillen); lowlights were getting nothing for Bobby Jenks, and IIRC, several similar players.
    4) Close-lipped at all times. Having seen Kevin Malone in operation, that is a huge plus.

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    2008-04-23 15:31:59
    301.   silverwidow
    J-Roll has a broken ankle.
    2008-04-23 15:33:16
    302.   D4P
    Everybody's going to make mistakes, so why would you want to be in a position where your mistakes are uncorrectable?

    But this line of thinking has obvious appeal. I guess the issue is that I just don't want certain people (e.g. Ned) doing the "correcting", especially when the initial mistakes weren't so much the result of bad luck as bad strategery.

    2008-04-23 15:41:31
    303.   Eric Stephen
    John Smoltz got his 3000th K last night, and he stuck out 10 Nationals. I looked up all 16 pitchers* with 3000 Ks, and Smoltz's 10 Ks were tied for 3rd most in the 3000th strikeout game.

    Blyleven - 15 Ks in the game of his 3000th K
    R.Johnson - 14
    Gaylord Perry - 10

    *I do not know how many people Walter Johnson struck out in his 3000th strikeout game in 1923.

    2008-04-23 15:43:16
    304.   Jon Weisman
    303 - Smoltz got about 15 words inside the Times sports section this morning. I feel like this used to be front-page news; in fact, I feel it still should be. Aren't 3,000 strikeouts something most of us can agree is something to be celebrated?
    2008-04-23 15:44:46
    305.   Eric Enders
    303 Walter Johnson struck out five Cleveland Indians in his game on July 22, 1923.
    2008-04-23 15:46:18
    306.   Bob Timmermann
    304
    Nolan Ryan sort of ruined strikeout milestones for everybody else.
    2008-04-23 15:46:28
    307.   Eric Stephen
    Stephen A. Smith just said the Suns' chances, down 2-0, to win the series are "virtually impossible". Yet he followed that up with the prediction that they would lose in 7 games to the Spurs. That seems highly incongruous to me.
    2008-04-23 15:47:48
    308.   Eric Stephen
    305
    Thanks, Eric. Do you mind if I ask where you got that information? I just joined SABR, so if there is some cool database I don't know about let me know.
    2008-04-23 15:48:01
    309.   Eric Enders
    What is virtually impossible is the notion that Stephen A. Smith's brain functions at the same level as that of other human beings.
    2008-04-23 15:49:18
    310.   Eric Stephen
    304
    Yeah, it's kind of disappointing the milestone isn't appreciated anymore. There are only 16 people to have achieved it, after all.
    2008-04-23 15:49:48
    311.   Eric Enders
    308 The Gray Lady, issue of 7/23/23.

    SABR used to offer a badass ProQuest newspaper search as part of membership, but alas, ProQuest decided to stop licensing its database to historical societies.

    2008-04-23 15:50:25
    312.   D4P
    I for one welcome our new Eric overlords.
    2008-04-23 15:51:27
    313.   Kevin Lewis
    Lex,

    Did you get my recent email?

    2008-04-23 15:52:49
    314.   Bob Timmermann
    The Erics are both soft on the Matt Vasgersian Issue, so I will lead the Erics Resistance Movement.

    Who's with me?

    All we have to lose is the misery of listening to annoying 1980s catchphrases!

    2008-04-23 15:54:11
    315.   Eric Stephen
    314
    Have mercy!
    2008-04-23 15:57:43
    316.   ROC
    Hmm...Andruw in the 2 hole, Nomar clean up:
    Furcal, SS
    Jones, CF
    Ethier, LF
    Nomar, 3B
    Martin, C
    Loney, 1B
    Kemp, RF
    Hu, 2B
    Lowe, P
    2008-04-23 15:57:52
    317.   Marty
    Deadspin reminds me that Howard Cosell died 13 years ago today.

    Down goes Frazier!
    Down goes Frazier!
    Down goes Frazier!

    2008-04-23 15:58:10
    318.   fanerman
    314 I said "no" to the Whigs and the Know-Nothings, waiting for a party that really appealed to me. I think I've found it.
    2008-04-23 15:58:42
    319.   Bluebleeder87
    Nolan Ryan sort of ruined strikeout milestones for everybody else.

    I guess it's a matter of taste but I loved watching Nolan Ryan, I mean seriously, even if he didn't throw strikes that often there is art in how hard he threw. How many guys can you say you watched that threw as hard as he did for AS LONG AS HE DID, I ain't taken him for granted, I LOVED WATCHING HIM PITCH!!

    2008-04-23 15:59:57
    320.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
    301 Where did you see this about J-Roll?
    2008-04-23 16:00:16
    321.   Jon Weisman
    316 - Okay, even I'm intrigued now about whether Torre can change the lineup for 162 games in a row.
    2008-04-23 16:00:42
    322.   D4P
    I'm sorry, but thinking that Nomar should (ever) bad cleanup is not acceptable. Not that I really care all that much, but come on.
    2008-04-23 16:00:56
    323.   delias man
    I like how Torre is breaking up the easy outs in the lineup.
    2008-04-23 16:01:08
    324.   Bluebleeder87
    re-reading that your actually giving Nolan Ryan props (oops) sorry about that Bob I thought you were putting him down. :o)
    2008-04-23 16:01:22
    325.   Eric Enders
    321 Last year the Yankees used 81 different lineups, none of them for more than 14 games.
    2008-04-23 16:01:52
    326.   El Lay Dave
    304 How much press would Smoltz have received if he were a Yankee or Red Sox?

    I woud imagine that Smoltz has the most relief innings pitched of any 3000K pitcher - 260 1/3.

    2008-04-23 16:01:54
    327.   Eric Enders
    And that's not including the pitcher. Including the pitcher, the Yankees used 132 different lineups.
    2008-04-23 16:02:02
    328.   Hallux Valgus
    316 When I say that I'm giving Torre April to work the kinks out, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

    How do you think he picks his lineups? Out of a hat? darts? Maybe he spins a brightly colored wheel? I think it's the wheel.

    2008-04-23 16:03:41
    329.   LogikReader
    320

    Rotoworld reports the Jimmy Rollins injury

    I love the source too: "Off the record"

    2008-04-23 16:04:28
    330.   D4P
    I guess it's worth noting that Kemp is in the lineup against a Tough Righty™.
    2008-04-23 16:04:45
    331.   fanerman
    Joe is doing an experiment, seeing how many runs each line-up scores. In September (or perhaps next season), he'll see which line-up scored the most runs and go with that line-up the rest of the way. Unfortunately Joe isn't aware of small sample-size implications so he's only playing each line-up once.
    2008-04-23 16:06:03
    332.   Eric Enders
    326 Walter Johnson pitched 136 games in relief, so I'm guessing he could give Smoltz a run for his money.

    Niekro falls just short of Smoltz, at 254 1/3.

    2008-04-23 16:06:42
    333.   Kevin Lewis
    Did we crash True Blue LA?
    2008-04-23 16:08:30
    334.   Jim Hitchcock
    I rejoined Classmates.com the other day, and now I have a girl that had a crush on me in sixth grade e-mailing me.

    I've got cold feet...

    2008-04-23 16:08:31
    335.   Marty
    Tomorrow's lineup:
    Kent
    Lowe
    Pierre
    Hu
    Nomar
    Furcal
    Martin
    Kemp
    Loney.
    2008-04-23 16:11:19
    336.   silverwidow
    Frank Thomas is going back to the A's (Yahoo Sports).

    Adam "Pacman" Jones is going to the Cowboys for a 4th round pick.

    2008-04-23 16:11:39
    337.   LogikReader
    335

    Lowe pitches on back to back nights?

    2008-04-23 16:12:50
    338.   Eric Stephen
    One batter into the game, Jeff Bennett has equaled his runs allowed from last Friday.
    2008-04-23 16:12:57
    339.   Hallux Valgus
    337 Tomorrow he's playing shortstop.
    2008-04-23 16:13:06
    340.   Xeifrank
    Maybe Joe is going to try to use every single lineup permutation to find out which one works the best. Hitting the pitcher 9th every time that means there are 40,320 possible lineups, which would take just less than 249 seasons to burn through. By that time Juan Pierre might be the only current member of the team that is left. vr, Xei
    2008-04-23 16:13:22
    341.   Eric Stephen
    337
    I though Loney was pitching with Lowe at 1B.
    2008-04-23 16:13:31
    342.   Daniel Zappala
    333 I think you should name your son "Scheduled Maintenance".
    2008-04-23 16:14:11
    343.   Daniel Zappala
    I could loan Torre a random number generator if that would make his life easier.
    2008-04-23 16:14:22
    344.   Neal Pollack
    No, Hu will be pitching and Lowe is playing second. We're also going to put Broxton in left field and bat him clean up. And Mariano Duncan will be the starting pitcher in game two of the Rockies series.
    2008-04-23 16:15:05
    345.   Xeifrank
    All the SBN sites are down for maintenance, as they were last night. Atleast the Toaster schedules it's down times around Dodger games and movie chats. vr, Xei
    2008-04-23 16:16:37
    346.   Eric Stephen
    Bennett has now given up thrice the runs of Friday.
    2008-04-23 16:16:49
    347.   ROC
    335 What's the over/under on Juan Castro batting cleanup sometime in May at this point?

    "When I remembered that Ned had made the transition from PR to GM, I knew I had a shot at the job" - future Tony Jackson quote

    2008-04-23 16:17:44
    348.   Jon Weisman
    334 - Is it Becky Slater? Lisa Berlini? Margaret Farquar?
    2008-04-23 16:18:11
    349.   Bumsrap
    For the time being, I like the players Torre is sending out regardless of where they hit.

    Loney is either now being pitched inside and can't do his opposite field thing or is trying to pull everything to fit in with too many of his teammates.

    Like I used to enjoy Ethier and Cora play defense when that was the only thing going for the Dodgers, I enjoy watching Jones catch a ball. And, now Kemp seems to have got that same confident relaxed catching style that is also fun to watch.

    Jones hitting second is an obvious attempt to get him to hit to opposite way and get on base instead of driving in runs.

    2008-04-23 16:20:01
    350.   bhsportsguy
    334 How many years ago are we talking and was the last time you saw her?
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    2008-04-23 16:22:08
    351.   Bumsrap
    re: 349: Izzy and Cora and not Ethier and Cora
    2008-04-23 16:22:59
    352.   Jim Hitchcock
    Well, her initials are M.F., but that's all I'll give out :)

    In sixth grade, we had the JFK Fitness program (this was six years after he died), and she outran every boy but me in the 50 yard dash.

    2008-04-23 16:23:53
    353.   El Lay Dave
    Nomar last started batting 4th on 8/28/2006, which is more recently than I would have guessed.
    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN200608280.shtml

    That was the last of three times that season. Dusty Baker started Nomar at #4 22 times for the 2005 Cubs.

    2008-04-23 16:25:00
    354.   StolenMonkey86
    Jones can walk, but he's having difficulty with hitting for average. Imagine Dusty Baker's reaction if he saw that Torre was batting that occasional baseclogger 2nd.
    2008-04-23 16:25:47
    355.   Xeifrank
    ITD says that Troy of Joe Beimel YouTube fame was at the Dodger games in Cincy. Meeting with Dodger staffers? vr, Xei
    2008-04-23 16:26:23
    356.   Marty
    352 Wait for Sadie Hawkins day and she'll come callin.
    2008-04-23 16:26:30
    357.   Jim Hitchcock
    Man, Jon...you really do know your Wonder Years!
    2008-04-23 16:28:44
    358.   Jim Hitchcock
    350 About 29 years. She remembered a birthday party at my house where my dad gave all the kids tiny frogs (from Lake Elsinore) as they were leaving.
    2008-04-23 16:28:52
    359.   Nagman
    316 ... and we were making fun of the Giants for having Molina as their cleanup hitter.
    2008-04-23 16:30:44
    360.   El Lay Dave
    352 Mulva?

    I once dated a 1971-1972 elementary school crush (she was fifth grade, I was sixth), but it was in college only nine years later, not like your situation. It was fun for a few months, but that was all it was. What the heck, give it a rip.

    2008-04-23 16:31:27
    361.   Jim Hitchcock
    358 Oh, heck. About 38 years ago.
    2008-04-23 16:32:32
    362.   Jim Hitchcock
    360 I have a safety barrier of 500 miles :)
    2008-04-23 16:35:16
    363.   bhsportsguy
    361 Don't worry about it, I'm sure if our versions of Lisa Berlini came a calling, we would be interested.
    2008-04-23 16:35:31
    364.   blue22
    Griffey with #597.
    2008-04-23 16:39:13
    365.   bhsportsguy
    Jon has a really good memory since two of those characters were only on 2 episodes according IMDB, Becky was on more plus she is Danica's sister.
    2008-04-23 16:39:40
    366.   trainwreck
    The guys on Baseball Tonight did not know what peripherals meant.
    2008-04-23 16:41:59
    367.   bhsportsguy
    And one other non-related topic, the McKellar sisters are really really smart.
    2008-04-23 16:42:58
    368.   scareduck
    334 - I'm pretty sure no girls ever had any crushes on me. That said, I do wonder whether my history with women has resembled John Cusack's character in High Fidelity, when he all of a sudden, near the end of the movie, realizes that he, too, has been doing some dumping, and just doesn't realize it because he never thought seriously about the women he was leaving.
    2008-04-23 16:45:40
    369.   Daniel Zappala
    scareduck - Got MLB Gameday Audio to work in Linux, based on a suggestion I saw somewhere. Install the MediaPlayerConnectivity plugin, and configure it to use the mplayer GUI and put an icon wherever it find a media link. Go to Gameday Audio as usual, except now the media player will be replaced with an icon. Click on the icon, which launches mplayer, and you get the audio you want.

    If this continues to work, I won't cancel my subscription after all.

    2008-04-23 16:45:56
    370.   regfairfield
    345 This is some unscheduled matenience here. Very unfortunate timing for me.
    2008-04-23 16:46:23
    371.   Daniel Zappala
    Bonus: you don't need the giant Gameday window open.
    2008-04-23 16:47:00
    372.   Daniel Zappala
    370 You've already lost the $1,000 donation I was going to make to your blog. ;-)
    2008-04-23 16:55:49
    373.   El Lay Dave
    Tony Jackson has some stadium info in his blog:

    Apparently from a Mayor's office press release:
    The $500 million renovation and modernization plans include building a new entrance beyond center field, a new plaza inside the stadium gates, a "Top of the Park" outdoor deck area, a modern promenade, restaurants and new Dodger history museum.

    TJ:
    This entry way in center field is something Frank has been talking about since he took over the team. I remember him describing it to me in great detail in his office one day early in the 2004 season. It sounds to me like it's going to be very similar to what they have at Turner Field in Atlanta, if you have ever been there to see it, a big cluster of restaurants and stuff beyond center field. Although in this case, it might not be as prominently visible from inside the ballpark as it is at the Ted. The rest of it all sounds like stuff that won't dramatically change the look of the park.

    2008-04-23 16:55:59
    374.   Jon Weisman
    If you don't know Lisa Berlini, you aren't a true Wonder Years fan.
    2008-04-23 16:59:00
    375.   El Lay Dave
    Also from Tony Jackson:

    Torre reiterated before the game that Andy [LaRoche] will likely need the full 20 days [of rehab] because he didn't have much of a spring training.

    He was injured what, one or two innings after Nomar, so why a short rehab for him? I would understand if the stated reason for LaRoche was the severity of the injury, the fact that he had surgery, etc., which makes much more sense to me.

    2008-04-23 17:01:39
    376.   underdog
    375 Look at it this way: They're being protective of what they hope will be their future thirdbaseman. Nomar, eh, what's the diff, he'll get injured whether he has a cautioously long rehab or not. At least that's how I'm looking at it.

    Speaking of which, I really don't mind Torre's line-up order tinkering right now, but I do have to laugh at Nomar batting clean-up. That seems ludicrous. But, I'll be pleased if he proves us all wrong tonight. Pleased and surprised.

    2008-04-23 17:01:54
    377.   bhsportsguy
    374 Oh those words that still pain me to this day (go to 7:20 on this clip)

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=DfRdIlOItso

    2008-04-23 17:05:27
    378.   Daniel Zappala
    376 This is all part of my plan to have Nomar return to his glory days this season. Glad to see Torre is on board.
    2008-04-23 17:05:46
    379.   bhsportsguy
    377 Oh why, Kevin, did you just not ask Winnie out earlier?
    2008-04-23 17:10:58
    380.   Bluebleeder87
    373

    I hope they put a radar gun type deal also, that would be sweet!

    2008-04-23 17:12:10
    381.   Jim Hitchcock
    380 You're talking about like at the Coliseum?
    2008-04-23 17:17:42
    382.   bhsportsguy
    378 How was the trek back to Utah?
    2008-04-23 17:19:17
    383.   Eric Stephen
    FSN South -- the Braves broadcast -- just showed the wrong answer for a trivia question.

    Q: Name the last switch hitter to lead the majors in batting average

    Their answer: Willie McGee, .335, 1990

    This chaps my hide because once again Eddie Murray gets robbed! Murray led MLB in batting average in 1990, with a .330 average.

    McGee hit .335 in the NL, but including his month in Oakland, his average was only .324. George Brett hit .329 to lead the AL.

    A pox on you, FSN South!

    2008-04-23 17:22:54
    384.   Bob Timmermann
    383
    The resistance fighters have noted this.
    2008-04-23 17:27:07
    385.   Daniel Zappala
    382 Not bad for a 9.5 hour drive. Just pop in the 6th Harry Potter book on CD, and the kids were begging not to stop. Much better than asking to go to the bathroom every 20 minutes.
    2008-04-23 17:29:25
    386.   Bluebleeder87
    381

    Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about Mr. Hitchcock, me & the radar gun have some un-finished business we need to attend to0..

    2008-04-23 17:30:26
    387.   Bob Timmermann
    385
    Are we there yet?
    2008-04-23 17:30:28
    388.   Bluebleeder87
    383

    For some reason I remember that tid bit very very well (the McGee thing)

    2008-04-23 17:30:31
    389.   Eric Stephen
    384
    Is the resistance supplying FSN South with weapons?

    If so, Team Eric may have to hold a rally in support of the double error.

    2008-04-23 17:31:23
    390.   Eric Stephen
    388
    It might be because I bring it up, usually without provocation, every few months or so. :)
    2008-04-23 17:34:53
    391.   Bob Timmermann
    The Brewers activated Tony Gwynn Jr. from the DL today. However, he is just taking the spot of the traded Gabe Gross.

    The Brewers still have 14 pitchers on the roster.

    2008-04-23 17:35:45
    392.   El Lay Dave
    389 and the reintroduction of the effectiveness criterion into the three-inning save rule.
    2008-04-23 17:40:08
    393.   Daniel Zappala
    Gabe Gross was traded? I didn't see this on the Griddle! How was I supposed to know?
    2008-04-23 17:41:55
    394.   Eric Stephen
    394
    It was in the comments section of the Pujols at 2nd entry, so perhaps Bob is not guilty of Gross negligence.
    2008-04-23 17:41:56
    395.   Bob Timmermann
    393
    It was in the comments yesterday.
    2008-04-23 17:42:06
    396.   silverwidow
    LaRoche with a base hit in his first Double-A appearance in years.
    2008-04-23 17:46:57
    397.   Jon Weisman
    Two new posts up top.
    2008-04-23 17:48:20
    398.   underdog
    Gross was traded to our frequent trade partner, the TB Rays. Guess they were tired of waiting for us to call them back.
    2008-04-23 17:50:34
    399.   Daniel Zappala
    I have high standards. I expect a Griddle headline for every trade.
    2008-04-23 17:52:29
    400.   scareduck
    369 - I'm pretty sure I have most of that configuration in place, so I'm all but certain I'm missing something there. E-mail me offline at rlm@scareduck.com so we can compare notes.
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    2008-04-23 22:31:20
    401.   neuroboy002
    I realize he is 2 for 5 but Matt Kemp is still disappointing me in his at bats.

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