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Dodger Stadium as CityWalk
2008-04-24 10:15
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Here's a link to the Dodgers' latest official announcement about renovating the amenities of Dodger Stadium, with a 2012 target date. The bullet points:

  • Dodger Way - A dramatic, new tree-lined entrance will lead to a beautifully landscaped grand plaza where fans can gather beyond center field. The plaza will connect to a modern, bustling promenade that features restaurants, shops and the Dodger Experience museum showcasing the history of the Dodgers in an interactive setting.

  • Green Necklace - The vibrant street setting of Dodger Way links to a beautiful perimeter around Dodger Stadium, enabling fans to walk around the park, outdoors yet inside the stadium gates. This Green Necklace will transform acres of parking lots into a landscaped outdoor walkway connecting the plaza and promenade to the rest of the ballpark.

  • Top of the Park - The Green Necklace connects to a large scale outdoor plaza featuring breathtaking 360 degree views spanning the downtown skyline and Santa Monica Bay, the Santa Monica and San Gabriel Mountains, and the Dodger Stadium diamond. …

  • As a result of these extensive improvements, the stadium will become a destination for fans all year long and a place where, especially on game days, families can go early and stay late. Dodger Stadium will be a place to visit year-round to shop, dine and play. …

  • The renovations call for planting trees around the stadium and a focus on conserving water as well as promoting recycling and other environmental initiatives. The Dodgers will use the latest technologies to save millions of gallons of water each year. Recycling measures include post-consumer waste recycling, and recycling materials that will be removed throughout the building process. The Dodgers will use native or drought-resistant plants for landscaping and, where possible, energy efficient bulbs in all stadium and scoreboard lighting. Other environmental practices will include installing energy efficient appliances in all kitchen and concession facilities, and purchasing building materials and items used in concession kiosks that are made from recycled or quality, durable products.

    So if this all goes as envisioned, will you arrive earlier for a game? You could probably line the parking lot with $100,000 bills and I still probably couldn't get my family to the game more than a few minutes early, but that's my own struggle. On the surface, this sounds pretty nice, even as I hear the whirring of the credit card receipts being printed out for attendees. (In fact, the more that I think about it, I might need those $100,000 bills just to afford entry.)

    Here are photo galleries and a video, narrated by a bespectacled Vin Scully. Looking at the images, it seems like a rather radical redesign of the area behind the outfield will take place, which implies rather radical changes to the parking there - including possible parking garages.

    It's interesting that the video implies that a case needs to be made for these improvements and for faith in the McCourt ownership. Scully's concluding words: "Ah, paradise saved."

    Update: The nitty-gritty details:

    The Dodgers are at the beginning of what will be a year-long environmental and public review process for the plan. The process will formally begin when the City issues a notice of preparation (NOP) under the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). The NOP is expected to be released in late spring 2008. The NOP will summarize the Next 50 improvements and the proposed areas of study for the environmental impact report (EIR). For 30 days after the NOP's release, public comments will be provided on the proposed scope of analysis. Thereafter, the City will prepare and release a draft environmental impact report (EIR) for public review and comment. The draft EIR is expected to be released in the fall of 2008. Public comments will be incorporated and addressed in the final EIR which is expected to be released sometime in late 2008/early 2009. Following that process, approvals for the plan will be considered in public hearings by the City of Los Angeles.

  • Comments (100)
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    2008-04-24 10:31:07
    1.   D4P
    Sounds like a job for landscape architects.

    Sign Mrs. D4P up!

    2008-04-24 10:33:34
    2.   ImprobableImpossible
    Looks great. The Green Necklace seems a bit much. They haven't cleared most of the political hurdles, so I suspect the project might be scaled down.

    And yes, if you're holding any bill smaller than a Franklin, you won't get anywhere near this park.

    2008-04-24 10:34:28
    3.   still bevens
    Oh my. I absolutely loathe city walk. I also cant wait for the ticket price increase this will entail.

    It definitely wont alter my routine of parking outside the stadium to drink cheap beer and save money on parking.

    2008-04-24 10:35:44
    4.   schoffle
    "transform acres of parking lots into a landscaped outdoor walkway "

    So how are they proposing that they will replace all this parking? or is it implied that we have excess parking? This (all of this) seems like a very bad idea.

    2008-04-24 10:38:46
    5.   Ken Arneson
    The A's new ballpark renderings make the exact same mistake as this one: a spectacular view of the ballpark entering from centerfield...exactly where the wall for the batter's eye needs to be.
    2008-04-24 10:40:55
    6.   Branch Rickey
    Where'd al the parking go? Looks like it will be a LONG walk after a $25 parking fee. Beautiful-- just seems unnecessary.
    2008-04-24 10:41:48
    7.   Eric Enders
    4 "Parking improvements include two terraced parking structures on either side of the stadium that will replace existing surface parking, along with below-grade parking under the two new plazas."
    2008-04-24 10:44:36
    8.   Lexinthedena
    There are so many factors that lead me to believe that this project will be scaled down. The ticket increase would be crazy for sure. it looks beautiful, but A mall adjacent to Dodger Stadium would break my heart.
    2008-04-24 10:46:15
    9.   Reddog
    I already hate the new energy efficient lighting -its way too bright - they're almost blinding. I wish the old lights were still being used.
    2008-04-24 10:46:56
    10.   Eric Enders
    Obviously it's a money grab, but it's a better kind of money grab than insisting on a new publicly-funded stadium, which is what every other team outside of the Red Sox would do.

    The video looks beautiful.

    2008-04-24 10:48:39
    11.   PalmdaleSteve1
    How about some sort of link to the Metro rail down in China Town so you can beat the traffic into and out of the place?
    2008-04-24 10:50:11
    12.   Jon Weisman
    "The Dodgers are at the beginning of what will be a year-long environmental and public review process for the plan. The process will formally begin when the City issues a notice of preparation (NOP) under the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). The NOP is expected to be released in late spring 2008. The NOP will summarize the Next 50 improvements and the proposed areas of study for the environmental impact report (EIR). For 30 days after the NOP's release, public comments will be provided on the proposed scope of analysis. Thereafter, the City will prepare and release a draft environmental impact report (EIR) for public review and comment. The draft EIR is expected to be released in the fall of 2008. Public comments will be incorporated and addressed in the final EIR which is expected to be released sometime in late 2008/early 2009. Following that process, approvals for the plan will be considered in public hearings by the City of Los Angeles. "
    2008-04-24 10:50:35
    13.   KG16
    5 - It'll make it a pitcher's park again.

    In all honesty, this seems more like a design appropriate for a down town stadium rather than Dodger Stadium. And considering that I come from Orange County and have to get out of work early for a 735 game, this redesign wouldn't get me to the Stadium any earlier. Maybe for a weekend game... maybe.

    2008-04-24 10:50:43
    14.   Bob Timmermann
    12
    Sounds like a job for Jacob L!
    2008-04-24 10:50:57
    15.   Lexinthedena
    10 L.A has repeatedly shown that it will not go for publicly funded stadiums. This is a creative alternative that will still hurt the average fan.
    2008-04-24 10:51:01
    16.   Jon Weisman
    Bob:

    "Preferred parking for alternative fuel vehicles"

    2008-04-24 10:52:21
    17.   Jon Weisman
    One of the renderings shows a place called the "Dodgerdog Cafe."
    2008-04-24 10:53:11
    18.   schoffle
    7

    Ah well at least they addressed the issue, still looks like a massive waste of money that no doubt will be past along to the fans. I miss being able to afford field level (since McCourt bought the club) now looks like it won't be long before I will have to decide between Top Deck and my couch at home.

    2008-04-24 10:58:44
    19.   Jon Weisman
    By the way, if Jim Hitchock's around, a girl from elementary school contacted me out of the blue yesterday too. Weird coincidence.
    2008-04-24 10:59:40
    20.   Daniel Zappala
    0 It's interesting that the video implies that a case needs to be made for these improvements and for faith in the McCourt ownership.

    The McCourts are from out of town and messing with one of the most beloved stadiums in the country. Of course they need to make a case for these improvements.

    2008-04-24 11:01:50
    21.   Bill Crain
    I've now learned that it will be dramatic, new, beautifully landscaped, modern, bustling, vibrant, beautiful, and breathtaking.
    2008-04-24 11:02:02
    22.   Jim Hitchcock
    19 Hah! Initials M.F.?
    2008-04-24 11:02:45
    23.   Zak
    I actually like the idea of the improvements, and I must admit, I really do not like the current parking arrangements. For me, almost anything would be an improvement over how things are now.I used to go to 12-15 games a season, but last season I went to 5 and this season I will probably go to fewer than that. I love Dodger Stadium and really enjoy watching the game there. My son is 3 and he loved going last year and wants to go this year. I hate admitting it, but the parking situation is a big deterrent for me.

    To answer Jon's question directly, my son will be about 8 when these proposed improvements are finished and I would absolutely go to games a few hours before first pitch if there were restaurants and parks and even just a place to hang out.

    2008-04-24 11:02:53
    24.   Bob Timmermann
    The renovations are being planned because there are only so many ways the McCourts can get more money out of the park. As I mentioned in the older thread, the area is not zoned for housing, the deed to the property prohibits housing, and the conditional use permit prohibits housing.

    The average person coming to Dodger Stadium just drives in, walks up to the gate, and then goes and finds a seat. That is very unlike the experience in most parks now. Fenway and Wrigley are the closest to that in terms of what is INSIDE the park, but they are in neighborhoods where most of the activities for people near the park are more or less part and parcel of the neighborhood.

    It would be very difficult for the McCourts to sell the property because it really can't be used for anything other than playing baseball. I suppose it could be switched over to a football stadium, but it's best not to go down that road.

    When Walter O'Malley and Emil Prager and others were designing Dodger Stadium, they were still thinking of an era when people went to baseball games because they wanted to watch a baseball game. People didn't want a lot of other stuff around.

    But tastes change over time. I think the McCourts have at least some business sense to realize that they need to find some way to get some more revenue out of the stadium. After all, the McCourts didn't buy the Dodgers to be a civic enterprise. They bought it as a going business concern. So I'm not going to begrudge them wanting to make more money off of the team.

    If there weren't owners wanting to make more money, then there wouldn't be a Los Angeles Dodgers.

    2008-04-24 11:03:10
    25.   Jon Weisman
    BP runs an O'Malley article.

    http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7398

    2008-04-24 11:04:25
    26.   Xeifrank
    I think this is a long overdue plan. This is more practical than building a new stadium downtown. Some people will like it and others won't. Change is difficult for some people. I go to a game about once every three or four years, so it won't effect me. My two biggest concerns would be the raising of ticket prices to help pay for it and the after game parking nightmares. Now there is an even greater reason to have some form of public transportation in and out of the stadium area. As always, as long as the home games are televised and parking in my driveway is free, I will sign off on any Chavez Ravine revitilization projects.
    And feel free to quote me on that. :)
    vr, Xei
    2008-04-24 11:04:50
    27.   Zak
    21 Isn't it presumptious of them to say that it will be "bustling"? Are they going to build that in? Is that included in landscaping? :)
    2008-04-24 11:05:45
    28.   Jacob L
    14 I believe this announcement is timed to steal the thunder for the release of the NOP for my Regional Comprehensive Plan.

    But seriously, I suspect the "green" elements of the project are there to win the support of the local council people, especially Garcetti. It doesn't hurt in the EIR process, either. You know what would help a lot more? Reducing vehicle trips to the Stadium by incorporating a viable public transit option. That's something that even CityWalk has.

    2008-04-24 11:07:33
    29.   Jon Weisman
    20 - I don't think most diehard Dodger fans are against improvements. Most would say the stadium needs the work that has been done to this point, for example. All the worry about the McCourts and the stadium involved leaving it.

    The issue, of course, is the how the cost of the improvements will be passed on to the customers. But, not surprisingly, that's not being addressed. When that cost does become apparent, that's when the case that it's all worth it will really need to be made. The parking cost increase last year was a microcosm of this.

    2008-04-24 11:08:18
    30.   Eric Enders
    27 The Dodgers have attracted more fans than any other sports franchise in the history of the world... is there good reason to expect the fans to disappear?
    2008-04-24 11:09:59
    31.   Jon Weisman
    From the website:

    Protecting and Enhancing the Environment
    Preferred parking for alternative fuel vehicles
    A welcoming environment for public transportation
    Secure spaces provided for bicycles

    2008-04-24 11:10:09
    32.   Daniel Zappala
    From the perspective of someone who now attends maybe a few games a year, at best, since I live in another state, I like the changes. I particularly like the greenery around the stadium, and the ability to go early to explore the stadium. This is much better than the current design, where there is one place for you to enter, based on your section, and you just grab a seat.

    I don't like the comparison to City Walk -- but I would enjoy some good restaurants where I could eat beforehand, I would likely try them if they weren't over-priced.

    I'm worried about parking garages being a nightmare to exit, and I echo the concerns about public transportation. This really is a downtown ballpark, and the renovations could improve its urban character. Public transportation into the stadium area would complete the picture.

    2008-04-24 11:10:32
    33.   Daniel Zappala
    1 D4P, this project is a long way off. I could use your wife on my front and back yards this summer.
    2008-04-24 11:11:01
    34.   dan reines
    Tell you what, four years ago when McCourt bought the team, a lot of people (me included) thought they were going to raze Dodger Stadium and put up condos, then re-build downtown. As far as I'm concerned, as spotty as McCourt's on-field results have been, his stadium results have been pretty great. It's easy to forget just how crappy Dodger Stadium was becoming under Fox.

    And yes, when my kids are a little older, I'll definitely get to games a little earlier for a picnic and a stroll and whatnot. I love that place. Nothing in these plans looks worse, everything looks like a lateral move or an improvement. I'll take it...

    2008-04-24 11:12:11
    35.   Telemachos
    Does anyone have a direct link to the gallery? I keep trying to get there, but the page loads for an instant and then redirects me to MLB's "404 - NULL" page. Very frustrating. (Safari, OSX)
    2008-04-24 11:12:17
    36.   Daniel Zappala
    28 I totally forgot that I could have used the subway when visiting Universal Studios. We'll have to give it a try next time.
    2008-04-24 11:12:37
    37.   Bill Crain
    24
    If there weren't owners wanting to make more money, then there wouldn't be a St. Louis Rams.

    Only kidding, Bob. I'm a capitalist, too. I just don't think MLB or the NFL or the NCAA, for that matter, is exactly what Adam Smith had in mind.

    2008-04-24 11:14:11
    38.   D4P
    33
    She's love a free trip to Utah...
    2008-04-24 11:14:16
    39.   Jacob L
    29 et al. The idea, at least, is that the improvements themselves would be revenue generating, such that they shouldn't necessarily need a ticket or parking price increase to make them work. I know that type of logic hasn't been reflected in McCourt projects to date.

    One concern I'd have is that whatever stuff they have in this new retail/entertainment thingamajigger will be either the same stuff you'd find at any mall or more of the same from the stadium. It'd be nice to think that the Dodgers would lease the retail properties to individual businesses to get a little bit of price and quality competition going.

    2008-04-24 11:14:46
    40.   Zak
    30 I was only joking.. I have no doubt that they will attract fans and I never said the fans will disappear. I just think, in my opinion, that it reads awkward that something that will be built years from now will be bustling. I didn't mean anything by it.

    I don't know this for sure, but I am willing to bet that your statement about more fans than any other sports franchise in the history of the world is wildly incorrect. Wildly.

    2008-04-24 11:16:09
    41.   bhsportsguy
    29 Unfortunately (and here is the cynical part of me), people pay it. Sure there are some who will find ways not to pay the higher costs but I expect tomorrow night at Joe Torre Bobblehead Night that people will pay the parking, the concessions and all the other stuff in the ballpark.

    Now I have an idea, offer some type of rebate or discount if you go to a restaurant or a shop. People are going to spend money anyway, why not let them think they are getting something extra.

    2008-04-24 11:16:09
    42.   KG16
    24 - well said, which is why I've been figuring that the Dodgers wouldn't be playing at the Dodger Stadium that we all know and love long after the O'Malley's sold.

    Part of me figures that this will be the first step towards getting a new stadium. Likely a land swap deal where the current land is given to the city and rezoned for housing while a chunk of land is given to the Dodgers downtown to build a new park with all the amenities fans have come to expect.

    2008-04-24 11:16:15
    43.   LogikReader
    You know, I like what I see, but as everyone else says, if they took some of this money they were going to spend and add some little tram to get people from Sunset blvd to the front gate, we'd be looking and a TRULY awesome design!!

    It could be a tram, or some other convenient transport vehicle like..... dare I say, MONORAIL?

    2008-04-24 11:17:20
    44.   Eric Enders
    29 The rising prices will certainly hurt the average fan, but if modern (since 1992) baseball has taught us anything, it's that no team can remain viable without hurting the average fan. In fact, baseball doesn't want the average fan. No team wants the family of four who's going to spend a total of $120 between them. They want the executive and his wife or client or mistress who are going to drop $4-500 a night. The sport is popular enough that it can afford to discourage middle-class business and market itself mostly to the upper class and upper-middle-class. That's capitalism.

    The Dodgers are actually one of the last teams to hop on this bandwagon, mostly because they can't build a new stadium.

    2008-04-24 11:18:34
    45.   Sagehen
    The average fan won't be able to afford tickets to enter the stadium, but look! You can come pay $25 for parking and hang out around the stadium during the game!
    2008-04-24 11:18:37
    46.   fanerman
    43 Great idea! If they added a monorail, we could make lame Simpsons references as often as we complain about Juan Pierre! I bet Jon in particular would enjoy that.
    2008-04-24 11:20:07
    47.   Branch Rickey
    On a related point... this renovation will obviously drive prices even higher. I am a pretty big on letting the market do it's thing. For the most part I believe that players should get whatever the market if offering and owners should be allowed to maximize revenue. But does baseball owe anything to the community? If only the rich can afford to go to games, is that a problem? Only the rich can afford a Mercedes or a night at the Four Seasons. Is it okay if a ballgame is a luxury item? My quick reaction is that it is but things look the antitrust exemption and the fact that the land was given away to the O'Malleys make it clear there's a lot to consider.
    2008-04-24 11:20:10
    48.   Jon Weisman
    35 - My link above works for me at work on IE.
    2008-04-24 11:20:15
    49.   ImprobableImpossible
    30
    Of course fans will show up. But I think the McCourts are badly mistaken when they suggest that the stadium will be vibrant and bustling for 365 days of the year. I'd guess between 81 and 95.

    The rest of the time all the new bells and whistles will simply go unheard and unpaid for.

    2008-04-24 11:21:13
    50.   Jacob L
    44 Yes, but the idea that $500-a-pop for entertainment crowd will always be there, and can sustain a business might be a bit short-sighted. High-end public golf courses, for one example, are taking a beating these days.
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    2008-04-24 11:21:22
    51.   LogikReader
    I think ultimately, I'd rather the Dodgers play in a downtown stadium myself. I enjoy the convenience of going to and from Staples Center and I was hoping for more of same from the Dodgers. Still, what I saw today was pretty good.
    2008-04-24 11:21:33
    52.   Eric Enders
    40 "I don't know this for sure, but I am willing to bet that your statement about more fans than any other sports franchise in the history of the world is wildly incorrect. Wildly."

    It came from a Dodger press release. Apparently the Dodgers are in the Guinness Book of World Records for largest cumulative attendance. It makes sense if you think about it. Certainly no other baseball team approaches the Dodgers' attendance. The NBA and NFL haven't been around long enough. That leaves only foreign leagues/teams like Manchester United, about which I don't know enough to comment on their attendance.

    2008-04-24 11:22:15
    53.   Neal Pollack
    I worry about ticket prices, too, but this pretty much puts the lie to any talk that McCourt is planning to tear down the stadium.
    2008-04-24 11:23:23
    54.   Neal Pollack
    They have to keep some seats affordable and they have to make good on their public-transit promise. Honestly, a 10 percent increase in ticket prices, or a 20 percent increase, accompanied by the waiving of a parking fee because I can take a bus into the lot, would be a good tradeoff.
    2008-04-24 11:24:25
    55.   Bob Timmermann
    The Dodgers want the MTA to build a Metro stop. The MTA would put a stop near Dodger Stadium if the Dodgers paid for it.

    I believe this is called a standoff.

    2008-04-24 11:26:03
    56.   LogikReader
    55

    Metro stop would be ok, but I'd like something that ran on rails. I'd even settle for that goofy Disneyland cab thing that ran on elevated wires.

    2008-04-24 11:26:25
    57.   Jacob L
    51 I just think that Dodger Stadium's current site is about as "downtown" as they're likely to get. It'd be far easier to connect Dodger Stadium to the rest of the city, then to find a more suitable site.
    2008-04-24 11:26:54
    58.   Andrew Shimmin
    Everybody catch the giant Nomar poster in the fifth photo of the "Next 50 Renderings," set? Awesome. Clearly they're laying the groundwork for a five year extension!
    2008-04-24 11:27:09
    59.   El Lay Dave
    36 The subway tickets can get really expensive for a family of 18. ;)
    2008-04-24 11:27:19
    60.   KG16
    51 - I'm beginning to lean that way too. I love Dodger Stadium but if they can tear down the Boston Gardens, Yankee Stadium, Commisky Park, and Chicago Stadium, I see no reason why the Dodgers can't build a new park.

    Just don't make it a publicly financed park, that's all I ask... unless the city retains ownership a la Angel Stadium and it gets used for stuff other than baseball games.

    2008-04-24 11:28:01
    61.   Jacob L
    55 That is a standoff, but not a stalemate. You can negotiate on behalf of the Dodgers, and I'll represent Metro (they're trying not go by "MTA" anymore).
    2008-04-24 11:28:50
    62.   bhsportsguy
    40 April 2005, Los Angeles Dodgers announced today that they have been recognized by Guinness World Records Book as having registered the "Highest Cumulative Attendance for a Baseball Franchise." Since 1901, when Major League Baseball began tracking official attendance, the Dodgers have played before more fans than any other franchise in the sport's history with a cumulative attendance of 165,770,718.

    From 2005, the Dodgers have sold another 11 million tickets or so, so there total is getting close to 180 million tickets. Attendance figures varies because at different times, they used actual attendance (butts in seats) instead of just tickets sold, when Dodgers set their record of 3.2 million in 1982, those were actual people at the game not just tickets sold.

    However, for some time, baseball has counted just tickets sold.

    Since baseball has the most home games of any major sport worldwide, it is probably likely that although the record is just for baseball, it stands for every professional sport in North America if not world-wide.

    http://tinyurl.com/479b2f

    2008-04-24 11:29:04
    63.   LogikReader
    Just thinking out loud, but...

    When the MTA was designing the subway lines, I thought it would have been possible, maybe not, to put a Dodger Stadium stop in between two other stops. Perhaps the red line could have had a Dodger stadium stop between Civic Center and Union Station. When the Dodgers aren't playing, simply don't use the stop. When they are, open it up. It seems logical from a purely mapquest standpoint.

    2008-04-24 11:30:24
    64.   LogikReader
    63

    Metro, that is, thanks for the update Jacob :)

    2008-04-24 11:31:22
    65.   Jacob L
    63 Dodger Stadium is roughly half way between Chinatown and Lincoln Heights on the Goldline, and it does seem there'd be room for a "auxiliary" stop between the 2, next to the new Cornfields park. You still gotta get up a hill and across the freeway, though.
    2008-04-24 11:32:03
    66.   Eric Enders
    60 There will never again be an MLB park built with private funds. Any new stadium will be publicly financed or it will not exist.

    What was the last privately funded park, anyway? It's been at least half a century. (And no, Dodger Stadium and Phone Co. Park don't count, despite what their owners would have you think.)

    2008-04-24 11:32:49
    67.   Zak
    52 You're probably correct considering they play 81 home games a year, and for the longest time, played 76 home games a year. Someone like Manchester United who have been around since the late 1880s play about 30-35 home games a year and average 70,000 plus fans per game, but I'm sure they haven't don't that throughout their history. Someone like Barcelona or a South American soccer club might make it closer, but considering the Dodgers play that many more games at home than any soccer team, the statement is probably correct.
    2008-04-24 11:34:21
    68.   Jacob L
    66 Yet another reason there will not be a new park in LA. You'd have to think, though, that $500 million in improvements (if that's to be believed) is approaching the price tag that a new park would have.
    2008-04-24 11:35:05
    69.   Marty
    Obviously they want people to come to the stadium and frequent the shops/restaurants in the off-season and I'm hoping they would not be charging full parking for that. But, do they want people to come to the stadium during the season who will NOT be attending the game? If so, they shouldn't be charging them $15 to park.
    2008-04-24 11:37:10
    70.   underdog
    43 Man, that monorail reference was tough to leave alone, but for Jon's sake I resisted.

    {mmmph!}

    But I do agree with y'all, public transportation is the big remaining thing that has not quite been addressed here, though it appears they're at least working towards it. And of course the Dodgers can't be expected to actually pay for and build a light rail system from Downtown, but there has to be something that makes the traffic lighter, which will improve everyone's enjoyment of the experience, and, gosh, maybe cut down on the # of people who leave games early because of traffic gridlock. Plus, as Wilford Brimley once said, it's the right thing to do. But anyway, I agree with Logik and co. above, an addition to the metro line would be fantastic.

    2008-04-24 11:37:11
    71.   bhsportsguy
    I'll say this before Bob, I fear that this construction will be done before anything happens at Pauley Pavilion.
    2008-04-24 11:38:58
    72.   bhsportsguy
    69 My impression from the video was that all that stuff was within the ballpark so you had to have ticket to use it, at least on game days.
    2008-04-24 11:41:51
    73.   Eric Enders
    I was under the impression that most of it will be outside the gates, except for the walkway.

    Kauffman Stadium, which was modeled after Dodger Stadium in the first place, is also undergoing an extensive renovation right now which includes a similar 360-degree walkway around the park.

    2008-04-24 11:44:13
    74.   Bob Timmermann
    63
    A dedicated stop for Dodger Stadium that would only be used on game days would require another set of tracks to be laid down.

    The Metro people can barely figure out how to lay down one set of tracks.

    I took the Gold Line yesterday and parked at Union Station was a much larger train although it wasn't in use. The train was much higher and it was mostly gray as opposed to the present trains which are mostly white.

    Are they planning to change around their rolling stock in anticipation of heading out to East L.A.?

    2008-04-24 11:46:04
    75.   schoffle
    66

    Why does the new Giants' stadium not count?

    2008-04-24 11:48:29
    76.   Bill Crain
    73
    I don't disagree with what you said in 44 except that it surely isn't capitalism.

    It took me a long time to post that 'cause I had to rewrite it six or eight times.

    2008-04-24 11:49:42
    77.   Terry A
    I'll not go to Dodger Stadium until they create a suitable entrance for those arriving via jetpack. Hadji, Bandit and I await the correction of this oversight.
    2008-04-24 11:51:44
    78.   Marty
    74 I understand those are just new, replacement trains and eventually all the light rail cars will look like that.
    2008-04-24 11:53:44
    79.   Jim Hitchcock
    77 They have that. It's on the roof behind the upper deck seats. You have to bring your own rope ladder.
    2008-04-24 11:53:47
    80.   Daniel Zappala
    65 If you've been to Hong Kong, you'd know this isn't a problem. You can have a stop where you specify, then a vast, underground corridor (with a moving walkway) that leads under the freeway, then escalators up and into Dodger Stadium.
    2008-04-24 11:54:07
    81.   Andrew Shimmin
    When you have a jetpack, all the world's your parking lot.
    2008-04-24 11:54:52
    82.   Daniel Zappala
    I would love to be able to walk around outside the stadium and be able to see the game going on inside, without paying for a ticket.
    2008-04-24 11:55:24
    83.   Eric Enders
    75 The city covered $15 million of the cost.
    2008-04-24 11:56:38
    84.   Sac Town Dodger Fan
    Did anyone notice that on one of those pictures in the gallery they had a large picture of Nomar adorning the side of the stadium?

    Apparently Nomar is on board for the next 50.

    2008-04-24 11:56:51
    85.   Bob Timmermann
    LA Times October 22, 1959:
    "Inclusion of a car wash, auto service center, and other commercial enterprises not necessariy related to baseball in a proposed land-use map for Chavez Ravine resubmitted by the Dodgers yesterday occasioned a hastily called "strategy meeting" of club officials and public officials in City Hall.
    .....
    The map, showing the proposed use of Chavez Ravine land for "appurtenant uses" to baseball, including such items as specialty eating houses, a "quick service restaurant", a "group luau restaurant", and a "sit down restaurant" was attached to council file No. 78067, which also contains the report of the council's planning committee relative to the proposed rezoning."

    The map ran in the Times, but it doesn't reproduce well online. The map also shows something called "Knothole Gang Staging Area" out in the parking lots beyond right field and a Dodger Hall of Fame where the Stadium Club is now.

    2008-04-24 11:57:24
    86.   Daniel Zappala
    44 While sports franchises are certainly catering to big spenders these days, I don't think this has removed the necessity to attract the average fan as well. The average fans pay for the bulk of parking, concessions, and ticket sales that provide a steady stream of revenue. And to a large extent a team needs the excitement of a huge group of average fans to provide an experience the big spenders want to attend.
    2008-04-24 11:59:45
    87.   Sushirabbit
    Daniel, have you been keeping up with any of the GridPP stuff for the Hadron Collider? Just wondered if you had a guesstimate of when that will start being utilized in the US-- or is it already?
    2008-04-24 12:02:08
    88.   Daniel Zappala
    87 Sorry, no.
    2008-04-24 12:07:47
    89.   Xeifrank
    I disagree that the Dodgers (or MLB) don't care about the average family (customer) of four.
    vr, Xei
    2008-04-24 12:16:04
    90.   bhsportsguy
    89 All teams, even the Yankees, offer special packages for groups of 4, where they can go to the park and have some food and drink for $20 per person.

    However, this was part of a release from the Yankees on their new Yankee Stadium ticket prices.

    "Of the non-premium seats, 88 percent will be less than $100," he said. "It's easy to say that that's not cheap, but on the other 55 percent of the ballpark is going to be $45 or less. That's over 24,000 seats. We recognize everybody can't afford the suites. At the same time, we're trying to allow those suite prices to subsidize the other seating in the stadium. Look, the bleachers are $12, will be $12. The grandstand is $20 and $25, will be $20 and $25."

    2008-04-24 12:16:47
    91.   Kevin Lewis
    I can't access the video and photos on IE and Firefox at work. Anyone else having problems? I can't even get the main Dodger web page. Does this mean my IT department is cracking down? Oh no, Dodger Thoughts could be next. I will be very sad if this happens
    2008-04-24 12:19:41
    92.   fanerman
    91 Everytime The Toaster doesn't load right or gmail doesn't work right, I get paranoid that somebody at work is trying to crack down on this sort of thing.
    2008-04-24 12:21:25
    93.   Jon Weisman
    NPUT
    2008-04-24 12:22:54
    94.   Disabled List
    I took a look at the models and renderings, and it makes me a little ill at ease. I guess something like this was inevitable, but it's going to be tough to pull off without ruining the charm of Dodger Stadium. What makes DS such a special space and a civic institution in Los Angeles is, I believe, the wide open space in the outfield. The panorama of the stadium stretches from the seats out past the pavilions and the parking lot to the Elysian Park hills, and beyond to the San Gabriels. That's a serene view, and I think it's one of the Stadium's best characteristics. From the renderings, it looks like two giant rectangular BOXES are going to built in the parking lot beyond the pavilions. It will completely obliterate that panorama, and in doing so, will destroy the charm of Dodger Stadium. The stadium itself looks like it's just going to be another feature of the Chavez Ravine Mall.

    Remodeling, landscaping and building on the part of the parking lot outside the view of the seats (i.e., the terraced lots and the top of the park) is fine, I suppose. But leave the vista beyond the pavilions alone. I sincerely hope that civic pressure forces the McCourts to scale back this monstrosity.

    And as others have touched on, this whole thing is worthless without some kind of public transit link to the Gold Line. Otherwise, it will be used exactly 81 days a year, when the Dodgers are home, and will sit vacant every other day on the calendar.

    2008-04-24 12:23:05
    95.   screwballin
    I'm not sure you can assume that this will increase ticket prices and/or parking fees. Both of those are based on what the market will bear and not on costs, it seems to me. They charge the prices they do because 4 million people are willing to pay them.
    2008-04-24 12:29:48
    96.   Dane Bramage
    74 Those were the new Ansaldobreda P2550 railcars currently undergoing "burn-in" before introduction to service, mostly for the ELA Gold and Expo lines when they open. They'll replace the current Siemens P2000's seen on the Gold Line and Nippon Sharyo's on the Blue Lin. They are designed to be inter-operable on all of our light rail systems, unlike the current models which can only operate on their respective designated rail line's signal system.
    2008-04-24 12:34:57
    97.   ToyCannon
    For those of you who would like use to use an electric bike to get you up those Dodger hills to the secured parking that Jon mentioned my company is having a warehouse sale May2nd - 4th. If you've never test road an electric bike, now is the time to try a plethora of models. Information about the sale can be found at the web site below.

    http://www.izipusa.com/

    At some point this summer I'll be testing a run up to the stadium. Starting from Woodlands Hills, I'll use the Orange Line Bikeway to North Hollywood, hop on the subway from NH to Union station and then bike up to the game. The biggest challenge will probably be the security of the bike.

    2008-04-24 13:30:27
    98.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
    The biggest question about this and any other plans for Dodger Stadium is whether or not it will pay off in Net Revenue.

    Not long ago, I began to be concerned that Dodger Stadium, lacking luxury boxes and other sorts of additional revenue now common in other teams' ballparks, would become a lower-performing stadium from the perspective of economics. In no way would I wish to relocate or redesign Dodger Stadium, but I became concerned when I understood that our division would look like this:

    -San Diego's PetCo Park, opened 2004
    -San Francisco's Phone Company Park, opened 2000
    -Arizona's Bank One Ballpark, opened 1998
    -Colorado's Coors Field, opened 1995
    -Los Angeles' Dodger Stadium, opened 1962

    That would have to have some impact, even not knowing the relative contribution a ballpark's revenues has to each of the above teams' net revenue picture.

    Ideally, whatever they put in place will:
    - Save money via energy and waste savings
    - Generate revenue from entertainments and concessions
    and not:
    - become a cost amortized for years and built into parking and ticket prices

    The former must be the plan. I doubt that they are thinking that they'll be able to charge more for tickets because they plant some trees and offer more choices of food.

    2008-04-24 18:27:27
    99.   daglew
    Like many others, I like the plan in general, but it seems outrageous that city officials have already given tacit or open acceptance to it without demanding up front some form of dedicated public transit. All the green talk is meaningless if ninety-nine percent of fans still have to drive to the stadium...
    2008-04-24 20:25:05
    100.   waterboy100
    I just found your blog last week and registered today. Great blog and here's my thoughts on the plan

    I am under the impression that there will be no increase in ticket prices, and that there will be public transit running into the stadium parking lot.

    Check out NPR's article at http://www.scpr.org/news/topics/topic.php?topic=sports_recreation
    or grab my mp3 link from http://waterboy100.googlepages.com/20080424_pattmorrison1.mp3 (7MB)

    (Requires Real Player or Real Alternitive)

    Parking garage mentioned at 00:45, 03:50-04:05
    Public transportation mentioned at 04:05-05:22
    Ticket prices mentioned at 1:50ish
    Funding Mentioned at 8:25

    Ben

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