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Costas Meets the Bloggers
2008-04-29 10:01
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

Straight from Acerbia, HBO's Costas Now is scheduled to have a segment on bloggers and sports media tonight, according to Ken Tremendous/Michael Schur of Fire Joe Morgan, who was interviewed for the show.

Comments
2008-04-29 10:19:12
1.   Xeifrank
Over/Under on how many times the word "basement" is used in the piece?
vr, Xei
2008-04-29 10:21:53
2.   Hythloday
1 one can only hope that it equals the number of times abasement and gimp are also used and that the number is greater than 10.
2008-04-29 10:34:00
3.   Frip
Wow, I thought Southerners were touchy when I lived down south, you guys are about as bad. Take a breath and read what Lowe said again. He said nothing even mildly inflammatory. Pretty sensible and measured actually.

He did NOT say that you can't win in California. That would be factually nonsensical.

Face up to yourselves.

It IS laid back here. The world did not just make up this notion out of the blue.

Firstly, there is more to do out here than to focus on your favorite team.

And the constant sun DOES affect your mind. I know, I lived half my live in stormy, grey, icey east, and half out here. It's hard to explain, but the climate has a mellowing effect. This is only natural.

You think your fast highways are proof that you're NOT laid back? Wrong. There is a difference. You can weave in-and-out of traffic and cut people off out here, and no one honks at you. Because you just go with whatever. Back east, it's the same driving BUT you WILL get honked at. Meaning easterners care enough to get angry, and further, to demonstrate their anger. Same with the sports fans.

I am originally from the east coast. And have worked in both industrial and office environments. And it's true, Californian's DO NOT have the same work ethic. Many more people would continue at their desk after 5:00, and on weekends. I don't even have a problem with that CA that way. You appreciate me-time and pleasure more. Which to my mind is healthier than the "workaholic" task oriented mentality of easterners. And at a certain economic level out here, no one does yard work. This is not all about cheap CA yard labor either. You do your own yard work back east because it's the Moral thing to do. Work is a spiritual good back east.

The fans in LA do not get as emotionally involved. If you could measure decibel and movement levels at concerts and sporting events, I guarantee they'd be MUCH lower levels in LA. If that's not a reflection of laid-back, then I don't know what is.

I hate going to concerts now that I live out here. You all are sooooo not involved. You lack the blood, bile and anger to truly ROCK! It's just not in you.

I do not think any of this matters at all to wins and losses.

And as for Derek saying "I don't believe it, but a lot of people say..." What makes anyone here think this is a phony statement? It can just be plainly truthful. I lot of people DO say it. Because it's true.

And even if he does think it, maybe he was being decorous. Why would he want to encur that wrath of such sensitive people if he didn't have too. No "guts"? At least he had the guts to even broach the subject. What other player in sport has the guts to "put down" the home fans. Derek Lowe, that's who.

2008-04-29 10:43:32
4.   GoBears
3 Whatever.
2008-04-29 10:48:06
5.   Jon Weisman
3 - Frip, the point is only that the conclusion doesn't make sense. It's not that the atmosphere might or might not be different, it's the idea that the different atmosphere is repsonsible for a lack of World Series titles that doesn't stand the barest scrutiny.

For most of the period in question, the Mets, the Red Sox, the Celtics, the Knicks, the Nets, the Jets ... they've all struggled to win titles. Atmosphere is so far down the list of reasons, it doesn't really bear mentioning.

2008-04-29 10:52:45
6.   Xeifrank
You do your own yard work back east because it's the Moral thing to do.

That's classic. I am going to pin that quote up on my fridge at home. I'm not sure why, but it's not every day you read something like that.
vr, Xei

2008-04-29 11:08:56
8.   MC Safety
I hate going to concerts now that I live out here. You all are sooooo (had to be a Clueless reference) not involved. You lack the blood, bile, and anger to truly ROCK! It's just not in you.

Frip, death metal fan?

2008-04-29 11:20:36
9.   Xeifrank
Perhaps one of our HBO watchers can give us an update on how this show goes?
vr, Xei
2008-04-29 11:22:09
10.   madmac
I understand why you deleted my post, but 3 's generalizations and conclusions are ridiculous.
2008-04-29 11:31:26
11.   Andrew Shimmin
I've never honked my car's horn, but that's only because it doesn't work. I do stick my head out the window and shout death threats, so, I think that evens out. Also, if I'm at a light and the car in front of me doesn't notice it's changed to green, I gun my engine at him--same effect, but more menacing.
2008-04-29 11:45:38
12.   Jon Weisman
So noted, but there needs to be a way to respond that doesn't make the situation worse. Frankly, I'm not sure 10 or 11 help.
2008-04-29 11:50:35
13.   Xeifrank
12. Don't you see any patterns developing here? vr, Xei
2008-04-29 12:22:03
14.   madmac
12 but I just wanted to respond in a way that people east of me could relate to :)

understood Jon. I've had my lunch now and ready to move on.

2008-04-29 12:43:01
15.   Andrew Shimmin
12- I'm sorry. I don't even have the excuse of having been actually offended.
2008-04-29 12:47:46
16.   Brent is a Dodger Fan
3 This sort of makes me want to say something to object, but I guess I'm too laid back to put this half-hearted objection into words. Besides, it is sunny outside! Have a great day!
2008-04-29 15:45:52
17.   ToyCannon
16
This thread has been nputed several times by now but you said exactly what I was thinking. Several times I wrote a retort only to say what the hey, why make the effort.
While he finds all of these faults with us, I find them the reason I'm still here. My only wish is that the high tension Easterners stayed where the weather and bugs made them so crabby in the 1st place. MidWesterners are always welcome as are the Northern clansman.
2008-04-29 15:49:47
18.   Zak
I am so laidback that Frip doesn't even bother me anymore. Or maybe he is not supposed to bother me. Whatever! Maybe it's the sun.

Also, Arizona and Anaheim recently won World Championships. And guess what, when the Dodgers won championships in the 80s, it was still sunny in Southern California.

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