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*$475,000 Chad Billingsley
*$415,000 Clayton Kershaw
*$405,000 Eric Stults
*$400,000 James McDonald
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*$1,300,000 Scott Proctor
*$1,500,000 Jonathan Broxton
*$425,000 Hong-Chih Kuo
*$420,000 Cory Wade
*$410,000 Ramon Troncoso
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*$410,000 Blake DeWitt
*$400,000 Tony Abreu
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*$600,000 Jason Repko
*$410,000 Delwyn Young
*$400,000 Danny Ardoin
*$400,000 Chin-Lung Hu
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The Dodgers' Most Valuable Pitcher To Date
2008-05-14 12:35
by Jon Weisman

Based on Value Over Replacement Player, it's Chan Ho Park - despite a strikeout/home run ratio of just over 2:1.

Syesha Mercado deserves to make the American Idol finals ahead of David Archuleta.

Comments (245)
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2008-05-14 12:41:36
1.   Eric Enders
If you follow the link you will see a picture of the world's most wanted serial killer. Either that or Joe Beimel.
2008-05-14 12:43:40
2.   Eric Enders
So according to VORP, Rafael Furcal has been more valuable than Russell Martin, Matt Kemp, and James Loney combined. Hmm.
2008-05-14 12:44:43
3.   Eric Stephen
I will take entries here until 5pm Pacific Time. I'm looking in your general direction, D4P.
2008-05-14 12:47:14
4.   Eric Enders
Greg Brock has appeared on a ballot or two but not yet posted one, I believe.
2008-05-14 12:49:10
5.   Eric Stephen
11 different Dodgers have received "all-time" votes in all five slots (1st through 5th) so far.

In each race, two clear favorites have emerged and are waging close battles for the top spot. I won't post any results until the polls have closed, as to not sway the voting.

2008-05-14 12:50:11
6.   Eric Stephen
4
And P has appeared on a ballot, yet no posts from D4P.
2008-05-14 12:50:27
7.   ImprobableImpossible
David Cook's Value Over Replacement Idol Contestant is higher than Mercado's and Archuleta's combined.
2008-05-14 12:50:38
8.   Eric Stephen
I really like the trend of the comments so far.
2008-05-14 12:50:59
9.   Eric Stephen
7 ,8
Damn!
2008-05-14 12:53:42
10.   KG16
how are you handling ballots that contain "guys I saw play" and "guys I wish I saw play" in separate lists?
2008-05-14 12:54:17
11.   D4P
All right, all right.

I'm just gonna give the All-Time Faves*:

Fernando
Pedro G.
Sax
Orel
Piazza

Honorable Mention:

Hee-Seop Ch-i

*I don't necessarily have much emotional connection to these players now, but I did when they played.

2008-05-14 12:55:18
12.   Xeifrank
and according to FanGraphs, Park has a FIP of 5.57, whereas Derek Lowe who is near the bottom of that VORP list has a FIP of 3.71.

Broxton: 1.49
Guo: 2.67
Beimel: 2.86
Wade: 3.23
Billingsley: 3.30
Lowe: 3.71
Penny: 3.77
Kuroda: 4.30
Loiaza: 4.64
Park: 5.57
Proctor: 5.75

This list tells a different story.
vr, Xei

2008-05-14 12:55:53
13.   Eric Enders
It would be pretty funny if Andy LaRoche got traded before 5 p.m. today and threw Eric Stephen's tallying all out of whack.
2008-05-14 12:57:03
14.   Andrew Shimmin
Reading through this morning's lists, it's clear to me that I should have left Kemp off mine, since he seems to be the stiffest competition for the number one spot.

Alternately, I should have created a bunch of sockpuppet accounts, and really rigged the poll up good. But that's a lot of work, as opposed to snubbing, which comes effortlessly to me.

2008-05-14 12:57:48
15.   Ken Noe
13 That would not be funny.
2008-05-14 12:58:04
16.   Bob Timmermann
13
I don't think such an event would be funny to many people here. I believe it would be more of ... something I can't adequately describe using G-rated language.
2008-05-14 13:04:28
17.   D4P
something I can't adequately describe using G-rated language

You can probably get away with PG-13

2008-05-14 13:11:21
18.   Eric Stephen
13
You just wanted to use "tallying" and "whack" in the same sentence!
2008-05-14 13:11:33
19.   Disabled List
I would definitely be using R and NC-17 rated language. The Rule 1 police would send me to the gallows.
2008-05-14 13:12:55
20.   Bob Timmermann
17
That's what happens when you leave a stranger in the Alps!
2008-05-14 13:14:35
21.   bhsportsguy
Today's birthdays ("celebrity") include an elf, another whose father starred in Japanese Monster film classic that was aired every night on KTLA, and another who created perhaps the most despised CGI character in the history of film.
2008-05-14 13:15:54
22.   Jon Weisman
From the press notes: "The last Dodger squad that did not have a five-game losing streak was the 1998 squad, which lost four in a row on four different occasions."
2008-05-14 13:17:26
23.   Bluebleeder87
Eric S. 800 Eric Davis for me by FAR, he was the best & coolest, I never got on the Ricky Henderson train for some reason.
2008-05-14 13:17:34
24.   Bob Timmermann
21
But what about Cate Blanchett?
2008-05-14 13:18:01
25.   Eric Stephen
21
most despised CGI character in the history of film

The only thing that come to mind was Jar Jar Binks.

2008-05-14 13:18:07
26.   tjdub
Current:
Martin
Loney
Ethier
Kemp
Billingsley

All-Time (that I was old enough to see)
Guererro
Fernando
Scioscia
Cey
Orel

2008-05-14 13:20:46
27.   blue22
11 - Sax!
2008-05-14 13:21:49
28.   Bob Timmermann
And it's Suzy Kolber's birthday.
2008-05-14 13:22:21
29.   kinbote
Good afternoon everybody. Pull up a chair. We're just getting started . . .
2008-05-14 13:23:19
30.   bhsportsguy
24 Did you see elf?
25 And who created Jar Jar?

2 for 3.

2008-05-14 13:23:29
31.   El Lay Dave
11 Dave Sax? Or should he have been on gpellamjr's list?
2008-05-14 13:24:38
32.   Eric Stephen
I was going to do a poll about everyone's favorite pitcher with a May 14 birthday that threw a perfect game against the Dodgers, but the choices are limited.
2008-05-14 13:25:39
33.   Eric Stephen
30
Whatever the name of George Lucas's graphics company is. Industrial Light & Magic?
2008-05-14 13:27:32
34.   ucladodger
A little late to the party, but here are mine.

Current
1. Bison
2. Russ
3. Loney
4. Broxton
5. Furcal

All-Time-
1. Jackie
2. Koufax
3. Edwin Jackson (what can i say, i got attached)
4. Piazza
5. Campy

As for my all-time #3, he currently has a VORP over 10. He is also second in the majors behind Cliff Lee in starts giving up 0 runs. He has 3 and i like Lee has 5 or 6.

2008-05-14 13:29:23
35.   blue22
34 - I almost named my first kid Edwin.
2008-05-14 13:29:24
36.   underdog
Please do not say the words "Jar Jar Binks" while I'm eating lunch. Thanks.

"Cate Blanchett" is perfectly fine, however.

2008-05-14 13:29:35
37.   Bob Timmermann
30
I try to forget a lot of things about "Lord of the Rings."

Please forgive me everyone.

2008-05-14 13:33:11
38.   Reddog
I don't think we have a most valuable pitcher. Before his last outing, maybe I woulda said Broxton. They're all mediocre so far, and most of the better ones are way off what they did last year.
2008-05-14 13:34:28
39.   underdog
Did people here discuss this article on Andruw Jones yesterday? I presume so.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3392423
I just thought it was good to hear and at the same time made me feel kind of sad. I really hope he pulls out of it.
2008-05-14 13:35:50
40.   Eric Enders
I think that vote for Edwin Jackson just helped the 2005 Jacksonville Suns re-tie the Brooklyn Dodgers with 8 players from each team receiving votes.
2008-05-14 13:36:56
41.   old dodger fan
If I was even older than I am I might have said Johnny Podres, if for nothing else, the 1955 WS. I did see him play, but not in Brooklyn and Koufax and Drysdale were the stars of the staff by the time I got interested.
2008-05-14 13:36:56
42.   ToyCannon
12
Kuo is number two in both lists, plus he made a lot of current fav lists. To me he is easily the most fun to watch, while battling Chad for most maddening.

I hope Eric never gets a job he pays attention to so that we get his complete poll attention.

2008-05-14 13:37:13
43.   D4P
39
I excerpted (and posted) this part:

"This is the first time he's left the nest," the manager said. "He's been with an organization his whole life. He ventures out; he doesn't do very well."

I then wondered what explained Jones's 2007, given that he was still in the nest.

2008-05-14 13:37:50
44.   blue22
38 - Kuo and Beimel have been pretty valuable/important this year, I think.
2008-05-14 13:40:25
45.   Steve Ryfle
21 - The video Amber Tamblyn's dad doesn't want you to see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfmFAL84Egw

2008-05-14 13:45:38
46.   old dodger fan
43 I think they are looking for anything to explain the drop off.

He left "the nest" of Curacao in 1994 and over the next 3 seasons played in 7 cities and roared thru the farm system. He did all this as a teenager. It did not seem to bother him then.

He spent 12 years in Atlanta and I have no doubt he misses it and it's an adjustment but I'm skeptical that that is the root of the problem.

Having said all that, I agree with Torre in keeping him in the lineup. If he starts hitting we will be a much better team.

I hate it when the fans boo a Dodger unless he's not trying.

2008-05-14 13:46:23
47.   JoeyP
Is Cliff Lee he luckiest pitcher in baseball?

53.2 IP
32 Hits
4 BBs
44 Ks
1 HR

0.67 ERA

All the peripherals are good. 11-1 (Ks/bbs) is insane. But 32 hits allowed in 53 IP?

Wow.

2008-05-14 13:49:15
48.   ToyCannon
The last Brave who did this bad after we acquired him was Furcal. Before that it was Dusty Baker.

A year from now instead of lamenting that Ned wasted money on A Jones, the debate will be how long and for how much we should extend his contract.

2008-05-14 13:49:18
49.   underdog
46 - Yeah and I hope more Dodger fans see that article. There's a misperception about him that I think is adding to the boos. Clearly he's got a lot of work to do, but clearly it bothers him , and it was good to hear what was going on inside him. I'm glad they posted link to that on the Dodgers blog.

The sooner he works things out the less Pierre we'll see which is to everyone's benefit.

2008-05-14 13:49:32
50.   Eric Stephen
42
I hope Eric never gets a job he pays attention to so that we get his complete poll attention

This quest, while fun, has taken some time to keep up with. It may have been easier to compile everything at the end, but it wouldn't have been nearly as fun.

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2008-05-14 13:50:57
51.   guy clinch
47- He's been very good and lucky. His BABIP is very low (it's at .224 and it should be at .300). He's also stranding like 90% of baserunners. A great breakdown of his season here: http://www.letsgotribe.com/2008/5/14/509253/pitcher-analysis-cliff-lee
2008-05-14 13:51:04
52.   D4P
I hate it when the fans boo a Dodger unless he's not trying

I suspect some fans interpret Jones's weight to be an indication that he's not trying as hard as he could.

2008-05-14 13:52:24
53.   D4P
48
Furcal was good the year before he came to the Dodgers. Jones wasn't. Seems like people around here are in denial about that.
2008-05-14 13:53:44
54.   Daniel Zappala
A trade of Kemp might be enough to get even me to commit a Rule 1 violation.
2008-05-14 13:54:02
55.   Daniel Zappala
Or LaRoche, I should say.
2008-05-14 13:55:21
56.   Daniel Zappala
Did Bob dis "Lord of the Rings"? Is nothing sacred?
2008-05-14 13:57:02
57.   El Lay Dave
53 I don't think anyone denies that Jones was not good offensively in 2007. The debate was/is over whether or not it was the beginning of a permanent decline.
2008-05-14 13:57:29
58.   ToyCannon
Is it possible that A Jones was not a 19 year old phenom from Curacao? The Braves tried to pawn off both Furcal and Betemit as being younger then they were.

When the Reds traded Frank Robinson to the Orioles it was because they said he was an old 30, when you look at A Jones, he looks like an old 31.

2008-05-14 13:59:22
59.   ToyCannon
53
I don't think anyone is in denial about his sub par 2007. I'm in denial that it indicated a permanent decline as El Lay Dave has stated.
2008-05-14 14:00:41
60.   SG6
43 - You'd think $36 million would get you a pretty nice nest out west.
2008-05-14 14:01:15
61.   guy clinch
Andruw Jones was very good in 2006. His decline has been rapid and unexpected, regardless of what his actual age is. To lose a couple hundred points of slg over the course of a season and a quarter defies typical aging patterns.
2008-05-14 14:06:11
62.   ToyCannon
60
Maybe's he's missing what was in his nest in the East.
2008-05-14 14:06:12
63.   CanuckDodger
Current:

Chad Billingsley
James Loney
Russell Martin
Matt Kemp
Jonathan Broxton

All-Time (Non-Current):

Bob Welch
Steve Garvey
Eric Gagne
Tim Belcher
Eric Karros

2008-05-14 14:10:11
64.   kinbote
63 But you have to admit: Belcher's fastball was straight! He reminded me a little of a [much] better version of Brett Tomko.
2008-05-14 14:11:15
65.   kinbote
62 Worms? Saliva? What are you getting at?!?
2008-05-14 14:12:26
66.   El Lay Dave
61 If Jones is two years older than stated, the decline is Dale Murphy-esque.
2008-05-14 14:14:02
67.   ToyCannon
I have a feeling that Canuck became a fan of the Dodgers by watching the 78 World Series.

Hard to remember but when Welch came up it seemed very Kershaw like. He had electric stuff.

2008-05-14 14:15:17
68.   regfairfield
Are we going to trade him for Tony Pena now?
2008-05-14 14:19:50
69.   Jacob L
I'm really behind on the discussion. I've been, um, what do you call that thing where you do things in exchange for money?? Anyway,

Current-
Martin
Kemp
Saito
Broxton
Loney

All Time-
Yeager
Fernando
Dusty Baker (sorry)
Cey
Pedro Guerrero

2008-05-14 14:25:42
70.   bhsportsguy
69 Never apologize for picking Johnnie B. Baker.

I picked 4 of the same all-time 5 except you have Boomer and I took Reggie Smith.

Hmmm, 1981 World Series MVP Trio, 1981 Rookie of the Year and Cy Young Award winner and Johnnie B. Baker. Nothing wrong with those 5.

2008-05-14 14:25:55
71.   SG6
62 - empty nest syndrome?
2008-05-14 14:27:52
72.   Eric Stephen
84 different people have submitted entries through Jacob L in 69 . Right now a single point separates the top two current favorite Dodgers.
2008-05-14 14:28:25
73.   Terry A
Current:
Martin
Loney
Saito
Billingsley
Kemp

All-Time:
Robinson
Koufax
Hershiser
Baker
Scioscia

2008-05-14 14:29:30
74.   okdodge
71 We know it's not empty stomach syndrome.
2008-05-14 14:30:58
75.   underdog
No votes yet for Jacks Fimple or Perconte? For shame!
2008-05-14 14:33:40
76.   Eric Stephen
I wouldn't go so far as to put a pox on those who have voted with lists smaller than 5, but these rogue entries have really dealt a blow to the ease of my accounting integrity.
2008-05-14 14:35:20
77.   Jonny6
So have we reached the point where we may bring Kershaw up not because we need a 5th starter but because we need a 1st? Of course, it's unrealistic to expect a kid to be the staff ace, but really who else is it going to be at this point? With Penny's recent slide into utter mediocrity and Lowe's inconsistency and mental fragility, I'm increasingly in favor of just bringing up Kershaw and unleashing him on the league. Mostly, I'm tired of not having a single starting pitcher that can be relied upon to give the team six or seven solid innings each time out.
2008-05-14 14:36:34
78.   gcrl
48
i would add odalis to that list, although he did well the first season after the trade.

in other news, dialidol.com predicts a david v. david final, using busy signals as an indicator of the number of votes. it's science!

2008-05-14 14:37:51
79.   Eric Stephen
77
It's unreasonable to expect Kershaw to contribute anything more than 5 IP/start right now.

Plus, look at the expected ERAs in 12 . The pitchers have been fine; just a bit unlucky.

2008-05-14 14:38:13
80.   underdog
77 The Minotaur could indeed be that as soon as next year. But not this. Yah, I think we all are tired of the ineffective starting pitching as of late. I feel like they need a good dose of the Padres or someone like that soon. ;-) Heck, we could see Kershaw and McDonald and/or Meloan all in the rotation next year with "elder statesman" Chad Billingsley, at the rate these other guys are going. Er, plus Penny and whatever veteran they bring in.
2008-05-14 14:38:49
81.   Jon Weisman
75 - Jack Perconte is obscure/memorable, but he's no Jack Fimple.
2008-05-14 14:39:35
82.   heato
Current:

Kemp
Martin
Furcal
Billingsley
Kuo

All-Time (that I've seen):

Orel
Piazza
Beltre
Ramon Martinez (I)
Gagne

2008-05-14 14:40:13
83.   underdog
79 - I think some of the pitchers have indeed been a bit unlucky in some of their outings, but it's hard to ignore how hard they've been hit at other times. Luck is some of it, but ineffectiveness is part of it, too. Still, I have faith they'll change things around soon enough. They've also faced some hot hitting lineups the past week.
2008-05-14 14:40:34
84.   Eric Enders
58 "Is it possible that A Jones was not a 19 year old phenom from Curacao? The Braves tried to pawn off both Furcal and Betemit as being younger then they were."

This is not true.

In Betemit's case, he was a reverse agegate guy. The Braves tried to pass him off as older than he really was so that they could sign him before he turned 16. It's the same thing the Dodgers did with Beltre. So Betemit is actually younger than his official DOB says he is.

With Furcal, he turned out to have fudged his age to make him appear younger. But there has never been any suspicion that the Braves were complicit in this; in fact, it makes no sense whatsoever that they would be. The whole reason players fake their ages is to appear younger to the team signing them, so that they can get a bigger bonus -- or, in some cases, so they can be signed at all. If the team knew the player's real age, then that would eliminate the only reason for faking one's age in the first place.

2008-05-14 14:40:56
85.   Jon Weisman
Lineup:

Pierre, LF
Jones, CF
Kemp, RF
Kent, 2B
Martin, C
Loney, 1B
DeWitt, 3B
Hu, SS
Lowe, P

2008-05-14 14:41:01
86.   underdog
81 Would you believe... Jack Stephan?
2008-05-14 14:42:13
87.   underdog
85 - Except for the typo ;-) that has Pierre leading off when it should be Ethier, it's okay otherwise. Jones second though? Wow, that's some wishful thinking in the 1 and 2 slots, Torre.

Hope Lowe's sinker is working today.

2008-05-14 14:42:59
88.   D4P
85
Having Jones bat behind Pierre is good strategy, given that Jones can't hit with runners on base.
2008-05-14 14:43:06
89.   scareduck
59 - This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever Ned Colletti wants to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the Andruw-hole goes.
2008-05-14 14:43:58
90.   ToyCannon
Perconte was a baseball name.

Did Fimple get a retirement benefit from MLB with these numbers?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/f/fimplja01.shtml

Does anyone know the MLB retirement deal? Days and dollars.

2008-05-14 14:44:01
91.   Bob Timmermann
76
I really hope you're not counting my top 5 current favorites because they were in jest.
2008-05-14 14:45:18
92.   gcrl
86
is that jack stephanowski?
2008-05-14 14:46:18
93.   ToyCannon
84
Pawn off was the wrong choice of words. I remember being very irritated when everyone knew Furcal was older then he was but they kept giving him credit for breaking records at his "given age" instead of his real age when he was a rookie.
2008-05-14 14:47:04
94.   LoneStar7
85 dang, no 'Dre again...
2008-05-14 14:47:04
95.   DXMachina
Current Dodgers
1) Martin
2) Loney
3) Kemp
4) Beimel
5) Saito

All-Time Dodgers
1) Sandy Koufax
2) Ron Cey
3) Don Drysdale
4) Gil Hodges
5) Orel Hershiser

2008-05-14 14:47:08
96.   Black and Blue
Current:
Martin
Loney
Kemp
Ethier
Billingsley

All-Time:
Koufax
Hershiser
Reese
Piazza
R Martinez

2008-05-14 14:49:18
97.   Marty
My least favorite:
Jose Offerman
Odalis Perez
Gio Carrera
Don Stanhouse
Carlos Perez
2008-05-14 14:49:50
98.   ToyCannon
89
Nope, I stay on the ship until it either breaks free of the duress or goes down. Faith doesn't climb onto a rowboat when things get tough.
2008-05-14 14:49:58
99.   LoneStar7
From Dodgers Main Page

Dorey Wade followed Brad Penny with two scoreless innings and lowered his ERA to 1.88

2008-05-14 14:51:15
100.   ToyCannon
97
I knew full pack would be on that list.

Gio - he was awesome for us.

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2008-05-14 14:51:58
101.   El Lay Dave
91 Bob's real favorites are:

Charlie Neal
Junior Gilliam
Johnny Roseboro
Doug Camilli
Maury Wills

2008-05-14 14:53:25
102.   El Lay Dave
well, his real all-time favorites....
2008-05-14 14:53:36
103.   Bob Timmermann
My current favorites were all players with short first and last names to save time typing.

My all-time favorites are really:
Myron White
Mike Ramsey
Mike Ramsey
Sandy Vance
Camilo Pascual

2008-05-14 14:53:48
104.   kngoworld
Current:
Kemp
Loney
Ethier
Billingsley
Hu

All-Time (Life Time):
Hershiser
Piazza
Butler, Brett (I was young)
Beltre
Mondesi

2008-05-14 14:53:51
105.   SG6
Current:
Martin
Saito
Ethier
DeWitt
Loney

All-time:
Garvey
Orel
Scioscia
Cey
Piazza

2008-05-14 14:54:22
106.   ToyCannon
For fun I did a list of 5 fav's by decade. It still wasn't easy but at least I was able to get more of my boys on a list.
2008-05-14 14:54:26
107.   Eric Stephen
91
You're going to get a stern look from me when I shake your hand. I was counting your list until now (I thought you had a soft spot for the career minor leaguer)...is the all-time accurate or were you a filthy liar there as well? :)
2008-05-14 14:54:37
108.   D4P
I can only assume that Garvey fans never saw him on "Cheap Seats", where he came across as a complete d-bag, if you know what I mean.
2008-05-14 14:55:17
109.   Bob Timmermann
Bob Timmermann doesn't play favorites.
2008-05-14 14:55:31
110.   ToyCannon
I've heard that Eric goes green when someone doesn't take his poll seriously.
2008-05-14 14:56:33
111.   Strike4
67
Yikes, the Welch-Reggie duel was almost 30 years ago. I was having an okay day, now I feel old.
2008-05-14 14:57:58
112.   Reddog
Do we know that Andruw Jones was never on steroids? For that matter, what about Nomar - did he used to be on steroids? Where did his power go?

If Jones did steroids, then stopped before last season, doesn't that explain the precipitous decline? Plus, who's to know for sure whether he might not be a couple years older than he's supposed to be.

He batted .222 last season. And while he hit 26 home runs, he was playing in the NL East, in hitter-friendly parks, and not facing the pitching he's seeing now in the NL West.

2008-05-14 15:00:34
113.   El Lay Dave
103 My 101 originally started with "both Mike Ramseys, both Ramon Martinezes", but I didn't know how to finish it. You saw what I ended up with instead.
2008-05-14 15:01:26
114.   bhsportsguy