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$10,000,000 Hiroki Kuroda
*$475,000 Chad Billingsley
*$415,000 Clayton Kershaw
*$405,000 Eric Stults
*$400,000 James McDonald
*Total: $11,695,000

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*$1,300,000 Scott Proctor
*$1,500,000 Jonathan Broxton
*$425,000 Hong-Chih Kuo
*$420,000 Cory Wade
*$410,000 Ramon Troncoso
*$400,000 Scott Elbert
Total: $6,955,000

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*$3,000,000 Russell Martin
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*$600,000 Matt Kemp
*$600,000 James Loney
*$500,000 Angel Berroa
*$410,000 Blake DeWitt
*$400,000 Tony Abreu
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*$600,000 Jason Repko
*$410,000 Delwyn Young
*$400,000 Danny Ardoin
*$400,000 Chin-Lung Hu
Total: $11,810,000
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Lucas May
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Jones to DL
2008-05-24 17:12
by Jon Weisman

Andruw Jones is having knee surgery after all, and the Dodgers have recalled Terry Tiffee to take his roster spot. And that's the way the ball bounces ...

* * *

Keith Thursby of the Times shows us the sports section from 50 years ago, when the threat of the Dodgers moving away from Los Angeles was used to encourage city voters to approve the plan to develop a baseball stadium at Chavez Ravine.

By Frank Finch
Times Staff Representative

President Warren Giles of the National League, who warned the city of Los Angeles yesterday that he will recommend that the league take steps to move the Dodgers to another city unless the June 3 referendum is passed, said today that there would be no difficulty in finding another home for the team.

Giles did not mention any city specifically but it is common knowledge that such cities as Minneapolis, Toronto and Houston definitely are interested in becoming big league - just like Los Angeles did when the City Council, by a 10-4 vote last October, approved the Chavez Ravine contract with the Dodgers. ...

* * *

By Paul Zimmerman
Times Sports Editor

So you think President Warren Giles of the National League is bluffing when he says he will consider reallocation of the Dodgers if the Chavez Ravine vote fails?

Well, have a look at the Minneapolis-St. Paul picture for a minute. ... This is an area comparable to Milwaukee where the Braves have been such a huge success. There are no competing events like horse racing. The metropolitan population is sufficient. The pull from outlying communities is similar to that in Wisconsin. ...

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Cardinals at Dodgers, 7:10 p.m.

Comments (407)
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2008-05-24 17:48:24
1.   scareduck
Los Angeles Dodgers of Anaheim!
2008-05-24 18:03:22
2.   Andrew Shimmin
Wow: Sam Cassell still plays basketball. Not too many names I remember from when I used to watch basketball, but that's one of them.
2008-05-24 18:08:14
3.   kngoworld
When does the mercy rule take effect in Detroit?
2008-05-24 18:11:59
4.   sporky
Nice writeup at BA on Kershaw

http://tinyurl.com/6pvtys

>>Perhaps that changeup quota was responsible for what from afar might have seemed like some mild control problems last year. Kershaw walked 50 batters with Great Lakes and another 17 in Jacksonville, an average of 4.9 per nine innings. But scouts believe that Kershaw will have above-average command, and his walks—15 in 43 1/3 innings, or 3.1 per nine—are already down from last year, even though Kershaw was the second-youngest pitcher in Double-A.

Kershaw has bought into the Dodgers developmental plan for him, knowing that even if throwing his changeup more frequently results in a few more walks to minor leaguers, that doing so will have positive long-term ramifications when he faces major league hitters.

"You can't be a two-pitch pitcher and be a starter," Kershaw said. "So we started working on that immediately as soon as I got drafted. I started to throw the changeup, and it started to get better. It wasn't very good in the Gulf Coast (League), and then last year it got a little bit better. This year they really kind of almost forced me to throw it in games, telling me to start some hitters off with it, get behind in the count, start throwing it a little bit. When they force you to do that stuff, it will definitely make you work on it. It's there, just sometimes my confidence isn't there with it, but it's definitely a good pitch to have when I've got good confidence in it."<<

2008-05-24 18:30:23
5.   scareduck
3 - WOW.
2008-05-24 18:31:21
6.   natepurcell
Unbelievable, the ONE time I decide to take a vacation overseas, the Dodgers debut their best pitching prospect in the last 20-30 years.

Awesome.

2008-05-24 18:31:32
7.   PDH5204
I am confused. I could swear that somewhere in the last thread, someone reported that Park was starting with Kershaw serving as his back up. Gurnick is reporting that Kershaw will start. The MLB site has Kershaw as the projected starter as well.
2008-05-24 18:32:28
8.   PDH5204
3 Re the confidence, Clayton, the time is now!
2008-05-24 18:37:14
9.   natepurcell
4

I wonder how long they have saved that article so they can release it when he got the call up.

Really nice article.

2008-05-24 18:37:40
10.   Bluebleeder87
I noticed Kershaw will be sporting #54.
2008-05-24 18:39:13
11.   Bluebleeder87
Just called my buddy & told him a little about Kershaw, he's pretty stoked about tomorrow...
2008-05-24 18:40:58
12.   natepurcell
Reading that article makes me believe that if Dodgers management didn't give Kershaw a mandate on what type of pitches to throw and at what count, his numbers would probably be lincecum/buccholz like in their last years in the minors.
2008-05-24 18:49:27
13.   Bluebleeder87
I miss jujibee (sp?)
2008-05-24 18:50:33
14.   Andrew Shimmin
Because it never gets old:

http://ballhype.com/video/kershaw_s_curve_3_9_08/

2008-05-24 18:54:08
15.   scareduck
7 - Rich was pulling my leg because he couldn't be at the park.
2008-05-24 18:54:27
16.   sporky
6 I'm glad I got my vacation over with 2 weeks ago.
2008-05-24 18:54:39
17.   natepurcell
Has there been any updates on Scott Elbert?
2008-05-24 18:55:40
18.   Jon Weisman
7 - I don't know where you got that other info, but Kershaw is starting.

14 - Though I never had the rights to that clip, it bugs me that another site is getting all the hits for it.

2008-05-24 18:57:39
19.   Linkmeister
Nate, what's the baht-to-dollar exchange rate?

I imagine the Burma cyclone is big news there, too, yes?

2008-05-24 19:01:02
20.   natepurcell
19

its around 30-35 I think.

Its news...Although I haven't been paying much attention to it.

2008-05-24 19:05:29
21.   sporky
I think I just heard on the KCAL9 pregame show that Andruw Jones is going to go ahead with surgery.
2008-05-24 19:06:02
22.   PDH5204
18 Thanks.
2008-05-24 19:06:19
23.   sporky
21 I wasn't hallucinating; Diamond confirms that he's going to get surgery on Tuesday.
2008-05-24 19:07:04
24.   Zak
KCAL 9 just confirmed that Jones is going to have the knee surgery - 4 to 6 weeks out.
2008-05-24 19:07:32
25.   Zak
That can only be good for the Dodgers and Jones.
2008-05-24 19:09:11
26.   Andrew Shimmin
18- It's sort of like Pecker, except you're both the sons at once.

You're too big to get away with fun stuff, but not big enough to quit your job, hire a staff to run the blog, and move to a permanent vacation in the south of France.

2008-05-24 19:09:41
27.   Bluebleeder87
Is that the bat boy or what???
2008-05-24 19:10:35
28.   Bluebleeder87
24

I (we) hope it also helps his psyche...

2008-05-24 19:12:02
29.   Zak
Kershaw looks so young when he broke into that grin when he realized that the Dodgers played a trick on him.
2008-05-24 19:12:44
30.   Bluebleeder87
hmm, looks like Hu reads the ball out of the bat quit nicely, he got there pretty effortlessly
2008-05-24 19:13:43
31.   Andrew Shimmin
Wait, is Pecker the right movie? The one where one of the boys makes it big as a photographer and, when he does, destroys his brother's shoplifting hobby? It's not perfectly analogous, of course, because in this case the shoplifting was a boon for the store, not a loss in any reasonable sense of the word.
2008-05-24 19:14:09
32.   Andrew Shimmin
Terry Tiffee gets the call up.

I can't stop laughing.

2008-05-24 19:14:09
33.   sporky
They're recalling Terry Tiffee over Andy.
2008-05-24 19:14:39
34.   sporky
33 Oops. I guess it isn't recalling, since he was never up.
2008-05-24 19:15:43
35.   Gagne55
3 The Lakers were down by more at this jucture in game 1 vs. the Spurs...
2008-05-24 19:18:12
36.   Andrew Shimmin
Nomar to the 60 day DL to accommodate Tiffee's spot, by the way.
2008-05-24 19:19:00
37.   Eric Stephen
Tony Jackson reports Terry Tiffee will be up to replace the DL'd Andruw.

The organization's misutilization of LaRoche is baffling.

2008-05-24 19:19:02
38.   Bluebleeder87
you can always kind of tell when Penny is gonna have a good game (or at least give the Dodgers a chance to win) he didn't want an exchange of balls right away, plus he's hitting the corners & seems to have a nice enough curve ball today.

of course he's hitting the corners with 96MPH heat.

2008-05-24 19:20:18
39.   Brent Knapp
Is there anyone else with a huge grin on their face from seeing kershaw up with the dodges?
2008-05-24 19:20:29
40.   imperabo
37 Isn't it still better for LaRoche to play at AAA than not play at LA?
2008-05-24 19:20:36
41.   Evan Darrow
32 - Its really getting to be sad that these kinds of stupid things are so common as to be expected. Its like Ned sits up at night trying to figure out new ways to rear back and slap the teams top prospects across the face.
2008-05-24 19:21:03
42.   natepurcell
37

If Laroche isn't going to get the majority of ABs while up here, isn't it better to have him play all the time in AAA?

2008-05-24 19:22:23
43.   Zak
36 So does anyone know when Nomar can come back to the big club at the earliest? Are Tiffee and Maza going to be on the 25 man roster for a while? I really feel for LaRoche. He hasn't done a thing wrong and is getting the worst breaks.
2008-05-24 19:24:33
44.   MollyKnight
33- I'm not going to get tricked into violating Rule 1. So I will just sigh and move along.
2008-05-24 19:25:32
45.   Eric Stephen
What more is LaRoche going to do in AAA? What is there left to develop, except his "health" talent. He's a polished hitter, and better than anyone on the Dodger bench.
2008-05-24 19:25:40
46.   Zak
There goes the perfect in Oakland.
2008-05-24 19:26:10
47.   MollyKnight
Has the interesting game in Oakland already been pointed out?
2008-05-24 19:26:38
48.   sporky
42 I agree with that, but I wonder what has to happen for Andy to be called up. Is it just an issue of either Maza or Tiffee completely imploding?
2008-05-24 19:27:04
49.   Zak
45 I agree.. at this point he is better off getting a couple of starts a week in the majors. It really looks like they want him to beef up his AAA stats so they can use him in a big trade this summer.
2008-05-24 19:27:37
50.   Eric Stephen
43
Nomar was placed on the DL on April 26, so the earliest he could come off is June 25.
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2008-05-24 19:29:17
51.   Zak
50 Thanks. At this point, he has to be a bat off the bench when he returns. I wonder if anyone will sign him this offseason or if he'll just choose to retire.
2008-05-24 19:29:28
52.   sporky
Wide strike zone tonight, I take it?
2008-05-24 19:29:48
53.   imperabo
I'm sure Tiffee will just be a bat off the bench at this point, as would LaRoche.
2008-05-24 19:30:55
54.   Gagne55
48 I think it would have to be Dewitt getting injured. Tiffee got called up to be a bench player. I don't think the Dodgers want to call up LaRoche to be a bench player.
2008-05-24 19:31:47
55.   Bluebleeder87
52

we gotta hope the Ump stays consistent.

2008-05-24 19:32:28
56.   Eric Stephen
53
Yeah, but LaRoche is better than Tiffee so I'd rather have his bat than Tiffee.
2008-05-24 19:32:58
57.   sporky
What would happen if Kent got injured? Hu at 2B, or a possible DeWitt/LaRoche experiment?
2008-05-24 19:33:20
58.   sporky
... or a Colletti trade fiasco?
2008-05-24 19:34:31
59.   imperabo
58 Ding. I kinda doubt they would take a chance with one of those guys at second mid season.
2008-05-24 19:34:47
60.   Jon Weisman
James made the throw! Demons exorcised.
2008-05-24 19:34:52
61.   Bluebleeder87
Dodger DOUBLE PLAY.
2008-05-24 19:35:20
62.   scareduck
58 - ding ding ding ding ding.
2008-05-24 19:35:42
63.   Indiana Jon
One month ago tonight I saw both Laroche and Kershaw play in Huntsville. The friends I was at the game with couldn't believe that I actually was familiar with double A players enough to know who they were. I tried to explain to them that both of these guys would be in LA very soon and they weren't your typical minor leaguers. I had the chance to talk to both of them that night and mentioned to each that I was excited to see them in LA soon. Kershaw even gave that goofy laugh when I told him I thought he would be in LA by June. Well it looks like I was half right that night. Funny thing is, I was positive Laroche would be there in a couple weeks and I was really guessing on Clayton. I never thought I would see this half right. Tiffee is now my least favorite Dodger, taking the place of Maza.
2008-05-24 19:36:43
64.   scareduck
60 - versa the Angels series, when they were exercised.
2008-05-24 19:40:30
65.   imperabo
58 Here a thought that literally just made my skin crawl;

Pedro Martinez:Delino DeShields::Clayton Kershaw:????

2008-05-24 19:42:55
66.   Jon Weisman
65 - Sometimes, there's just too much paranoia here.
2008-05-24 19:43:23
67.   scareduck
65 - If Chuck LaMar was still running the show in Tampa Bay, I would have suggested anybody in their bullpen with a 3.70 ERA.
2008-05-24 19:44:07
68.   Evan Darrow
65 - Brian Giles is available, I bet Ned would love to have his veteran leadership for Kershaw and LaRoche. After all, Andy already failed last year, he's a toss-in.
2008-05-24 19:44:22
69.   imperabo
66 Naw, I don't expect it to happen. I was just visuallize what a Colletti trade fiasco might look like in that case.
2008-05-24 19:44:57
70.   scareduck
66 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e_43fmVml8
2008-05-24 19:48:38
71.   Jon Weisman
70 - And yet I would have gone with the Kinks, but whatever works!
2008-05-24 19:52:53
72.   Gen3Blue
This is hard to watch. Please throw a strike.
2008-05-24 19:53:08
73.   sporky
Has any pitcher thrown 12 consecutive pitches for balls?
2008-05-24 19:53:24
74.   sporky
73 Never mind.
2008-05-24 19:53:53
75.   scareduck
71 - happy to oblige. I was always a General Boy partisan, myself.
2008-05-24 19:54:59
76.   scareduck
What was that? If somebody was at second, Pujols would be out.
2008-05-24 19:55:38
77.   scareduck
It's a typical Penny outing.
2008-05-24 19:55:44
78.   oshea2002
Fans are gonna turn on Penny soon.
2008-05-24 19:56:24
79.   Gen3Blue
Who's playing second. DFA him. And then send Penny to Low A and see if he can learn to throw a strike.
2008-05-24 19:57:01
80.   Indiana Jon
I find Kemp to be a more than adequate CF. I think there was some doubt whether or not he could play there, but he has looked good so far. This will be a good 4-6 weeks for him.
2008-05-24 19:57:22
81.   Evan Darrow
So much for back-to-back bounceback outings.
2008-05-24 19:58:03
82.   Tom Meagher
58 LaRoche for Barfield? Grudzielanek? LaRoche and Delwyn Young for Brian Roberts and Melvin Mora?

I'm kidding, right?

2008-05-24 19:58:03
83.   Bluebleeder87
Penny was jogging a long very nicely & all of a sudden...
2008-05-24 20:00:19
84.   Eric Stephen
I didn't realize before tonight that the Cards' announcer is Ricky Horton, he of the 4.1 scoreless relief innings in the 1988 NLCS for the Dodgers.
2008-05-24 20:01:51
85.   oshea2002
We have no luck against this team. It seems that every time we play them, we're playing badly, or in the case of tonight have what is normally a decent pitcher going through a terrible stretch.
2008-05-24 20:02:35
86.   Jiminy Cricket
Penney drives me crazy. 97 mph stuff, and he can't be better than this? I guess some guys are only able to be throwers.
2008-05-24 20:02:56
87.   Eric Stephen
I have a feeling I'll be buying ToyCannon's ticket to DT Day 2009.
2008-05-24 20:04:01
88.   Eric Stephen
86
I guess some guys are only able to be throwers

So does this bad stretch for Penny completely invalidate anything he's done over the last few years? I don't get it.

2008-05-24 20:04:16
89.   Gen3Blue
How about Penny, Kent and LaRoche for Lohse.
2008-05-24 20:05:58
90.   Jiminy Cricket
If you are of the opinion that Penney is a pitcher who is a master of the art, you are welcome to it; I do not share that opinion.
2008-05-24 20:06:23
91.   Johnson
It seems moot for the time being with Tiffee being brought up, but I don't see why LaRoche can't be brought up, and get regular playing time, without DeWitt going down or losing significant PT. Here's how it goes:

You have four rotating lineups (the relative ratios of the lineups can be tweaked a bit) where 1B, 2B, and 3B are shared between Loney, Kent, DeWitt, and LaRoche like this:

Loney 1B, Kent 2B, DeWitt 3B, LaRoche BN (3/12 days)
Loney 1B, Kent 2B, LaRoche 3B, DeWitt BN (3/12 days)
Loney 1B, DeWitt 2B, LaRoche 3B, Kent BN (4/12 days)
Kent 1B, DeWitt 2B, LaRoche 3B, Loney BN (2/12 days)

That gives Loney 10, DeWitt 9, LaRoche 9 and Kent 8 starts every 12 games. Maybe that's more rest than we'd like to see Loney get, but it's not excessive. Kent could use the rest given his age. Andy and Blake both get to start 75% of the time, which seems (to me) like enough. (Add in PH/DH appearances, as whoever's on the bench will be the top hitter on the bench, and there's even more PT.)

The only question about this would be whether DeWitt can handle 2B, but seeing as Kent's not the most mobile guy anymore and he's our regular starter, the defense probably doesn't get worse.

Oh, and the lefty/righty platoons work out nicely (3B: LaRoche R, DeWitt L; 2B Kent R, DeWitt L; 1B Loney L, Kent R) so we could even stack the lineup in our favor depending on the opposing starter.

Does anybody see anything NOT to like about an idea like this?

2008-05-24 20:07:00
92.   oshea2002
I don't think this invalidates his last few seasons. But, he's only had like 3 quality starts this year, and the K numbers are troubling.
2008-05-24 20:07:41
93.   Gen3Blue
Speed in action. Even if he was safe he left enough doubt.
2008-05-24 20:09:47
94.   oshea2002
Pistons have cut it to 9 with 3 min left
2008-05-24 20:10:22
95.   Eric Stephen
91
I hope Kent never starts over James Loney for the rest of his life.
2008-05-24 20:11:20
96.   Gen3Blue
91 I like the thinking behind this, but I wonder if DeWitt is good with the DP, and Loney might become a gem with regular playing time.
2008-05-24 20:14:14
97.   Bluebleeder87
o.k. if we're gonna do anything this is the inning to do it.
2008-05-24 20:14:29
98.   PDH5204
91 I was hoping for Martin, Ethier, Loney, Kemp, DeWitt, and you can complete the lineup card...

I'd also like to pry Norichika Aoki loose from the Tokyo Yakult Swallows and then adjust the order after sticking Pierre on the bench [or on the bus out of town].

2008-05-24 20:15:43
99.   Gen3Blue
Also, I'm not sure, but I think it was Kent who was loligagging near second when Matt Kemps throw could have made an out that would have stopped 2 runs from scoring during Penny's brain cramp.
2008-05-24 20:20:43
100.   Bluebleeder87
This Lohse character is pitching a good game.
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2008-05-24 20:22:52
101.   jtrichey
Might we see another Penny "Quality Start"? (6 innings, however many runs you want)
2008-05-24 20:23:15
102.   Bluebleeder87
the 4 runs happened because of Penny's inability to throw strikes, it's that simple.
2008-05-24 20:27:00
103.   dzzrtRatt
I'm getting very bored with this type of game. Ace pitcher has bad inning or two, puts Dodgers in a hole. Dodgers unable to score runs to get out of said hole.

If lose they must, at least stop losing this way. It makes a fan feel like he's wasting his life.

2008-05-24 20:29:09
104.   Vishal
so, does anyone know why penny sucks this year?
2008-05-24 20:29:13
105.   Gen3Blue
I guess people know how much I hate a pitcher who can't throw strikes. I would rather see a guy like Wade throw four solo homers in a row than see the kind of inning Penny and perhaps Kent provided.
I hope as underdog suggested, although this reflects wholy on me, and not him, that the Dodgers get some good draft picks when it comes to contract time for Lowe and Penny.
2008-05-24 20:29:58
106.   scareduck
103 - What did you say?
2008-05-24 20:30:19
107.   scareduck
103 - What did you say?
2008-05-24 20:30:59
108.   scareduck
103 - Oh, sorry, I've been spending too much time watching the Dodgers.
2008-05-24 20:31:12
109.   Bluebleeder87
Penny is gonna comeback Lowe will walk...(baring injury)
2008-05-24 20:33:12
110.   Bluebleeder87
I see Blake isn't exactly fleet of foot.
2008-05-24 20:35:30
111.   Gen3Blue
103,104 I can't remember the exact sources, but two of the predictions that bugged me during the off-season were that Penny was bound to regress, and Billingsley was bound to go down to injury. One out of two seems to be true, and the other looks ridiculous.
And I think the rap on Penny was that he was going to throw a lot more home runs, not that he would lose his command.
2008-05-24 20:41:31
112.   Bluebleeder87
Terry Tiffee isn't exactly a house hold name, this is the best picture Wikipedia can come up with. [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ac/Terry_Tiffee_1.jpg]
2008-05-24 20:43:41
113.   scareduck
112 - http://www.alexsautographs.com/terrytiffee2.jpg
2008-05-24 20:45:05
114.   Gen3Blue
I will probably feel like apologizing to Penny if he only flew away for one inning and the Dodgers fail to score on Lohse.
2008-05-24 20:46:13
115.   Michael D
The fundamental problem with this team is that we have a guy tied for the team lead in home runs whom hasn't played a game in 3 weeks, and it was our lead off hitter not some guy on pace to hit 40.
2008-05-24 20:46:16
116.   scareduck
Hey, rally-let. Two on, one out.
2008-05-24 20:49:06
117.   LoneStar7
is it true terry tiffee is coming up and not Andy? why is this..-
2008-05-24 20:51:00
118.   Vishal
who is terry tiffee, anyway?
2008-05-24 20:51:48
119.   scareduck
115 - It certainly doesn't help. My diagnosis:

1) Penny and Lowe both in a funk.
2) Kent not really hitting but still batting fourth.
3) Andruw Jones up to his late injury was batting high in the order for the most part and being treated like a productive player when he really wasn't.
4) Fifth starter a constant question.
5) Almost no power.

2008-05-24 20:52:12
120.   bhsportsguy
117 You want the standard corporate line, they want LaRoche to play everyday as opposed to sitting on a major league bench.
2008-05-24 20:52:57
121.   scareduck
118 - career AAAA player.
2008-05-24 20:53:39
122.   dzzrtRatt
Zzzzzzzzzz.
2008-05-24 20:53:42
123.   ucladodger
right now I'd rather have Juan Pierre hitting cleanup. Ke