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Kershaw II: The Kershawing
2008-05-30 14:56
by Jon Weisman
Note: The Dodger Thoughts blog has moved to the Los Angeles Times.

In his second career start, does Clayton Kershaw become the Dodgers' stopper or their continuer?

* * *

Elsewhere on the Internet, Dodger Thoughts fave Molly Knight gave us a peek into the team for ESPN the Magazine. (Knight just passed along word that Blake DeWitt is taking pregame groundballs at second base for the first time this year.)

And at Blue Notes, the Kamenetsky brothers are asking what faces you would carve on your Dodger Blue Mt. Rushmore. I'll go with Jackie Robinson, Vin Scully, Sandy Koufax and Fernando Valenzuela, with the Pedros and R.J. lurking nearby, of course.

* * *

Dodgers at Mets, 4:10 p.m.

Comments (543)
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2008-05-30 15:08:12
1.   fiddlestick
I trust that for the benefit of those of us stuck at work through the first half of the game, the commentators will be sufficiently detailed and descriptive of Kershaw's performance.

I was in Mexico last weekend and didn't even know he got the call until I got back.

2008-05-30 15:10:52
2.   silverwidow
A's called-up top prospect Carlos Gonzalez.
2008-05-30 15:12:08
3.   Jacob L
Scully, Koufax, Robinson, Mike Ramsey
2008-05-30 15:12:38
4.   Eric Stephen
Molly got LAT'd, but she said Blake DeWitt took grounders and 2B today for the first time. Huzzah!
2008-05-30 15:13:42
5.   Jacob L
Molly had pretty big news at the bottom of the last thread. And I quoted Vertigo, off the top of my head, for almost no reason.
2008-05-30 15:14:19
6.   underdog
4 Huzzah! indeed. {Sniff} {sniff} I smell a ALR call up in the air.
2008-05-30 15:14:30
7.   Jon Weisman
4 - I've updated the post above.
2008-05-30 15:14:31
8.   Eric Stephen
I would put Scully, Jackie, Sandy, and The Duke on my Dodger Blue Mt. Rushmore.

Otis Nixon was ineligible because his face has already been sandblasted.

2008-05-30 15:15:25
9.   Jacob L
Anybody thinking of attending the college regionals at Blair Field tomorrow? I might check it out, depending on what time Cal is playing. Currently scoreless between Cal and USD, top of the 5th.
2008-05-30 15:15:41
10.   underdog
I think there was at least three of us trying to turn the place into Hitchcock Thoughts.

"You were a very apt pupil, weren't you? You were a very apt pupil." Stewart at his creepiest...

2008-05-30 15:16:06
11.   Jon Weisman
So it's a Joba/Kershaw duel in New York tonight? A treat for the Big Apple.
2008-05-30 15:16:27
12.   Bob Timmermann
Only Jim Hitchcock and I can turn the place into Hitchcock Thoughts.
2008-05-30 15:16:37
13.   MollyKnight
OK. Since I got LAT'd. Breaking news: Blake DeWitt just took grounders at second base for the first time this season. When asked about it 30 seconds ago, he said "I like it," with a Cheshire cat grin. Then again, he sort of always has that Cheshire cat grin.
2008-05-30 15:19:29
14.   BlueCrew Bruin
Wow, I was just LAT'd for the first time! I would like to thank my parents for having me, Jon for the perfectly timed NPUT and, of course, LAT.

The post itself was a confession that's probably better left LAT'd. :)

2008-05-30 15:20:07
15.   fanerman
Thanks Molly, bringer of good news.
2008-05-30 15:20:10
16.   Eric Enders
I'll go with the same four Jon picked for Mount Rushmore. Doesn't get any better than that. Except I guess you could throw Branch Rickey in there somewhere.

Kershaw had better win tonight because I've already suffered one crushing loss today at the hands of a New York team. The Longhorns lost to St. John's. St John's, for crying out loud! If it weren't for Frank Viola I wouldn't have even known they had a baseball team.

This might make even Nate feel old: One of the New York reporters asked Kershaw who his favorite Mets were when he was a kid, and he said David Wright and Jose Reyes.

2008-05-30 15:21:04
17.   fiddlestick
Mikes Edwards, Blowers, Kincaide, and Trombley.
2008-05-30 15:21:14
18.   D4P
Kershaw II: The Wrath of Kershaw
2008-05-30 15:22:33
19.   Bob Timmermann
Rich Aurilia attended St. John's. Did you know he once had an offseason job where he moved scenery and equipment for the Metropolitan Opera?

John Franco went to St. John's as well.

2008-05-30 15:23:12
20.   Pedro Astacio
Kershaw II: The Revenge of the NL???
2008-05-30 15:23:35
21.   Jacob L
Small ball running rampant between Cal and USD at Blair, with runs hard to come by. Or maybe runs are hard to come by because small ball is rampant. There have been, I think, 6 base runners in the game, and at least three bunts.
2008-05-30 15:23:54
22.   Eric Enders
19 Yeah, I knew that, actually.

But do you happen to know how Terrmel Sledge got his first name?

2008-05-30 15:24:31
23.   Evan Darrow
18 20 Beneath the Planet of the Minotaur.
2008-05-30 15:26:17
24.   Eric Enders
21 So Kyle Blair is pitching at Blair Field? Heh.

Although I guess it would be Matusz today.

2008-05-30 15:26:31
25.   Jacob L
I've always wondered who prepares Scully's game notes. The idea that it could be Bob, now that it occurs to me, makes perfect sense.
2008-05-30 15:27:27
26.   Jacob L
24 Matusz it is.
2008-05-30 15:28:23
27.   Evan Darrow
22 If you don't, make sure you don't miss the next time he visits Dodger Stadium: Vinny tells the story at least once.
2008-05-30 15:29:35
28.   Bob Timmermann
22
Terrmel Sledge will drop by the next time the Hokkaido Nippon Ham Fighters have a road trip to Los Angeles.
2008-05-30 15:31:06
29.   Eric Stephen
Kershaw II: Electric Bugaloo

Also, if Isringhausen wasn't on the DL for the Cardinals, there might have been a chance for a Freddy (Sanchez) vs. Jason AB.

2008-05-30 15:31:29
30.   Eric Enders
Also, if anyone happens to know what Khalil Greene's first name means in the Bahá'í Faith, I'd be most appreciative.
2008-05-30 15:31:36
31.   Jacob L
28 Which immediately conjures the image of that Japanese Scully sound-alike guy telling the name story.
2008-05-30 15:31:44
32.   Bob Timmermann
In another upset in the NCAA baseball tournament, #4 seed Lipscomb beat #1 seed Georgia in Athens, 10-7.

Lipscomb is in Nashville for those not enrolling at home.

2008-05-30 15:32:33
33.   Eric Enders
29 Speaking of spooky at-bats, is everybody pumped for the Chan Ho Park-Fernando Tatis rematch? It could happen tonight!
2008-05-30 15:33:14
34.   underdog
29 - Darnit! I was gonna use that one.

Okay, well, stay tuned for

Minotaur II: The Quickening.

Next on USA Network.

2008-05-30 15:35:16
35.   gibsonhobbs88
I'm torn on my Mt. Rushmore between Jon's selection and Eric-8. Vin, Sandy and Jackie are locks. Fernando - viable for bringing in the Latino community in L.A. in the 80's was huge. Duke is forever linked with the "Boys of Summer" and Dodger lore - that is a tough one. Maybe one of those (half face of each one) like they have been doing in those NBA commercials.

* In the future, can we please ban Penny from any future starts against the Mets? They own him!! If its his turn in the rotation, come up with some shoulder tightness or food poisoning, something then send Kuo, Kershaw and Bills at them.

2008-05-30 15:36:11
36.   Evan Darrow
Kershaw Reloaded.
2008-05-30 15:36:27
37.   Pedro4DeShields
Off topic, but here's a look at Colletti's significant moves since taking over in November of '05. Any thoughts on his overall body of work?

12/7/05 signs Rafael Furcal (3 years $39 million)
12/13/05 traded Milton Bradley to Oakland for Andre Either
12/14/05 signs Bill Mueller (2 years, $9.5 million)
12/19/05 signs Nomar Garcisparra (1 year, $8 million)
12/20/05 signs Kenny Lofton (1 year, $3.85 million)
12/22/05 signs Brett Tomko (2 years, $8.7 million)
1/4/06 traded Duaner Sanchez & Steve Schmoll to NY for Jae Seo & Tim Hamulack
1/14/06 traded Edwin Jackson & Chuck Tiffany to Tampa for Danys Baez & Lance Carter
2/7/06 signs Takashi Saito to a minor league contract
6/27/06 traded Dioner Navarro & Jae Seo to Tampa for Mark Hendrickson & Toby Hall
7/25/06 traded Odalis Perez & 2 minor leaguers to KC for Elmer Dessens
7/28/06 traded Danys Baez & Willy Aybar to Atlanta for Wilson Betemit
7/31/06 traded Cesar Izturis to Chicago for Greg Maddux
7/31/06 traded Joel Guzman and minor leaguer for Julio Lugo
11/20/06 signed Nomar Garciaparra (2 years, $18 million)
11/22/06 signed Juan Pierre (5 years, $44 million)
11/28/06 signed Randy Wolf (1 year, $7.5 million)
12/8/06 signed Jason Schmidt (3 years, $47 million)
12/8/06 signed Luis Gonzalez (1 year, $7.5 million)
1/15/07 signed Mark Hendrickson (1 year, $2.9 million)
7/31/07 traded Wilson Betemit to NY for Scott Proctor
8/29/07 claimed Esteban Loaiza off waivers (and his $7.7 million remaining salary for '07 & '08)
11/8/07 signed Chan Ho Park to minor league contract
12/12/07 signed Andruw Jones (2 years, $36 million)
12/16/07 signed Hiroki Kuroda (3 years, $35 million)

2008-05-30 15:37:09
38.   Eric Enders
One of the announcers in the Miami-Bethune Cookman game just mentioned that Casey Stengel was the coach of Ole Miss in 1914.

He was a 23-year-old outfielder for the Dodgers at the time. I guess coaching was different back then.

2008-05-30 15:37:20
39.   underdog
Oh, and Sandy, Jackie, Vin and Fernando for me, too.

I can't think of one of those 70s/80s stalwarts who would stand out above the rest. So those are the guys I'd go with.

2008-05-30 15:37:32
40.   Bluebleeder87
Something about being Friday & not having to worry about work tomorrow just makes it a relaxing day for me...

Oh & some guy named Clayton Kershaw is pithing today.

2008-05-30 15:38:01
41.   underdog
36 - Hah hah. I actually thought "The Matrix" would be another good nickname for him.
2008-05-30 15:38:14
42.   DXMachina
19 - As did Frank Viola.

Vin, Jackie, Sandy, and Drysdale for me.

2008-05-30 15:41:13
43.   BlueCrew Bruin
We could always have Kershaw II: Kershaw-er. Then his next start could be Kershaw III: Kershaw with a Vengeance. And finally we'd have Kershaw IV: Strike Three or Die Hard.

Or not.

2008-05-30 15:41:48
44.   Bob Timmermann
38
Most college coaches in the era when Stengel did it were pros trying to make a few bucks before the season started. Those guys were around to train the players. They usually didn't go to games and make strategic decisions. That was the realm of the team captain.

I'm not sure when coaches became fulltime, but I'm guessing after World War II. Sometimes the baseball coach was another coach in a different sport who needed to make some extra scratch also.

USC's first championship is credited to Sam Berry (the basketball coach) and Rod Dedeaux.

Clint Evans at Cal worked pretty much fulltime. Sam Crawford worked fulltime for USC as well.

2008-05-30 15:42:21
45.   Daniel Zappala
Hard to argue with selections for Rushmore, but Tommy Lasorda has to be in the running. He was the face of the franchise for many years.
2008-05-30 15:43:10
46.   Humma Kavula
Clayton Kershaw 2: Clayton Kershawer.
2008-05-30 15:45:21
47.   Chiron Brown
Jackie Robinson, Roy Campanella, Maury Wills, Al Campanis.
2008-05-30 15:45:27
48.   underdog
37 Okay, I'll bite. (Not that this subject hasn't been debated here before endlessly, but I've never had a chance to grade him myself.) My grades after the transaction.

12/7/05 signs Rafael Furcal (3 years $39 million) A
12/13/05 traded Milton Bradley to Oakland for Andre Either A
12/14/05 signs Bill Mueller (2 years, $9.5 million) D (I'd give it lower but I thought it was a decent move at the time, and liked Mueller, but injury risk was high and it bit the Dodgers.)
12/19/05 signs Nomar Garcisparra (1 year, $8 million) B+
12/20/05 signs Kenny Lofton (1 year, $3.85 million) B+
12/22/05 signs Brett Tomko (2 years, $8.7 million) D-
1/4/06 traded Duaner Sanchez & Steve Schmoll to NY for Jae Seo & Tim Hamulack C- (I liked Sanchez but thought acquiring a decent backend starter filled a need for LA pretty cheaply at the time, too bad Seo was such a bust)
1/14/06 traded Edwin Jackson & Chuck Tiffany to Tampa for Danys Baez & Lance Carter - F (if only because Jackson was given up on too early and Baez was a nightmare; I'd almost grade it slightly higher just because I understood Dodgers were desperate for relief help then)
2/7/06 signs Takashi Saito to a minor league contract A+
6/27/06 traded Dioner Navarro & Jae Seo to Tampa for Mark Hendrickson & Toby Hall C- (not enough back for a once top prospect, and Hendy was mediocre but not terrible)
7/25/06 traded Odalis Perez & 2 minor leaguers to KC for Elmer Dessens C+
7/28/06 traded Danys Baez & Willy Aybar to Atlanta for Wilson Betemit A-
7/31/06 traded Cesar Izturis to Chicago for Greg Maddux A-
7/31/06 traded Joel Guzman and minor leaguer for Julio Lugo C
11/20/06 signed Nomar Garciaparra (2 years, $18 million) D (signing him once, good, resigning him, not)
11/22/06 signed Juan Pierre (5 years, $44 million) C- (I may grade this one higher than others just because I understood the desperate need for an experienced outfielder, but he was the wrong guy/fit for the team and 5 yrs way too long)
11/28/06 signed Randy Wolf (1 year, $7.5 million) C+ (didn't pan out but I thought it worth a shot)
12/8/06 signed Jason Schmidt (3 years, $47 million) incomplete
12/8/06 signed Luis Gonzalez (1 year, $7.5 million) B-
1/15/07 signed Mark Hendrickson (1 year, $2.9 million) D
7/31/07 traded Wilson Betemit to NY for Scott Proctor C
8/29/07 claimed Esteban Loaiza off waivers (and his $7.7 million remaining salary for '07 & '08) C- (don't like Loiaza much but the team was desperate for another starter at the time; still, a waste of money ultimately)
11/8/07 signed Chan Ho Park to minor league contract B+
12/12/07 signed Andruw Jones (2 years, $36 million) incomplete (trying to be fair here)
12/16/07 signed Hiroki Kuroda (3 years, $35 million) B+

These are the express opinions of underdog© and do not necessarily reflect those of Dodger Thoughts or the Dodger management.

2008-05-30 15:46:39
49.   Eric Stephen
34
I was deciding between Electric Bugaloo and The Quickening, so great minds think alike!

I will be watching this evening's proceedings on delay, so I'll check out of here in about 15 minutes. Luckily it's an east coast game, so Extra Innings can't (conceivably) keep me from watching this game in it's entirety.

2008-05-30 15:47:16
50.   Marty
Kershaw II: Clayton Harder
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2008-05-30 15:47:33
51.   underdog
Actually I guess Kuroda should be incomplete, too, if I'm going to be fair and balanced. Otherwise Jones would get an F right now and hopefully will go up to a C or B later.
2008-05-30 15:47:55
52.   Jon Weisman
I'm sorry, did I look like I wanted alternative titles? :)
2008-05-30 15:48:10
53.   underdog
50 - "Minotaur With a Vengeance"
2008-05-30 15:48:34
54.   underdog
52 Overruled!

Anyway...

2008-05-30 15:49:36
55.   JoeyP
Surprised Dewitt chews tobacco.
I only know really really old guys that still do chew...
2008-05-30 15:49:49
56.   Eric Enders
37 This topic may be best saved for a boring winter day, but I'll attempt to put each move into one of five categories based on how it worked out (not on how it looked at the time).

Good for the Dodgers (5)
12/7/05 signs Rafael Furcal (3 years $39 million)
12/20/05 signs Kenny Lofton (1 year, $3.85 million)
2/7/06 signs Takashi Saito to a minor league contract
7/28/06 traded Danys Baez & Willy Aybar to Atlanta for Wilson Betemit
7/31/06 traded Cesar Izturis to Chicago for Greg Maddux

Bad for the Dodgers (9)
12/14/05 signs Bill Mueller (2 years, $9.5 million)
12/22/05 signs Brett Tomko (2 years, $8.7 million)
1/4/06 traded Duaner Sanchez & Steve Schmoll to NY for Jae Seo & Tim Hamulack
1/14/06 traded Edwin Jackson & Chuck Tiffany to Tampa for Danys Baez & Lance Carter
6/27/06 traded Dioner Navarro & Jae Seo to Tampa for Mark Hendrickson & Toby Hall
11/20/06 signed Nomar Garciaparra (2 years, $18 million)
11/22/06 signed Juan Pierre (5 years, $44 million)
1/15/07 signed Mark Hendrickson (1 year, $2.9 million)
8/29/07 claimed Esteban Loaiza off waivers (and his $7.7 million remaining salary for '07 & '08)

Even Trades or Inconsequential Moves (5)
12/13/05 traded Milton Bradley to Oakland for Andre Either
7/25/06 traded Odalis Perez & 2 minor leaguers to KC for Elmer Dessens
11/28/06 signed Randy Wolf (1 year, $7.5 million)
12/8/06 signed Luis Gonzalez (1 year, $7.5 million)
7/31/07 traded Wilson Betemit to NY for Scott Proctor

Jury Still Out, Looks Good So Far (3)
7/31/06 traded Joel Guzman and minor leaguer for Julio Lugo (Draft picks Withrow and Adkins will determine the eventual value of this trade.)
11/8/07 signed Chan Ho Park to minor league contract
12/16/07 signed Hiroki Kuroda (3 years, $35 million)

Jury Still Out, Looks Bad So Far (2)
12/8/06 signed Jason Schmidt (3 years, $47 million)
12/12/07 signed Andruw Jones (2 years, $36 million)

2008-05-30 15:50:09
57.   trainwreck
Kershaw Part II: Clayton Takes Manhattan
2008-05-30 15:50:55
58.   Jon Weisman
11 - Oops - Joba's starting Tuesday.
2008-05-30 15:51:37
59.   Eric Enders
45 If Tommy Lasorda ends up on the Dodger Mount Rushmore, that may force me to go all Monkey Wrench Gang.
2008-05-30 15:53:00
60.   Eric Enders
Mets fans would like to submit "Kershaw II: Lost in New York" for consideration.
2008-05-30 15:53:04
61.   D4P
I only know really really old guys that still do chew...

Broxton chews too.

2008-05-30 15:53:24
62.   Howard Fox
Vin, Sandy, Jackie, Blake
2008-05-30 15:54:13
63.   Marty
Koufax, Drysdale, Robinson, Campanella, Valenzuela
2008-05-30 15:54:36
64.   underdog
56 Seems pretty fair, too, but where's the first Nomar signing? Wouldn't you put that in the "good" category?
2008-05-30 15:55:09
65.   gibsonhobbs88
42, 45 - Also excellent suggestions. However, I think for lasting impact on the franchise and the cities and sport they represented, Vin, Jackie and Sandy had no peer. After those big three, then you got room for argument, Fernando and his impact on marketing to the Latino population in L.A.- Duke and what he met to Brooklyn, Drysdale as part of the 1-2 pitching monster in the 60's that ingrained the Dodgers into LA culture and Lasorda who really fostered the love'm or hate'm Dodgers of the 70's and 80's across the nation. Even the person who mentioned Branch Rickey who had the courage to break the color barrier and wanted to do it years earlier, but was rebuffed by Commish Landis and the old boys network of other owners have arguments as to the fourth face on the Dodgers Mt. Rushmore.
2008-05-30 15:55:50
66.   Eric Enders
64 Ah, yes. That got inadvertently deleted.
2008-05-30 15:56:13
67.   imperabo
56
Why is the Ethier trade even?

Can't we call Schmidt bad now? What are the odds he's worth $47 mil by end of next year?

2008-05-30 15:56:41
68.   Jacob L
56 I guess I'll go ahead and be the one to point out that Eric's "bad" category has about 90 million bucks in it.
2008-05-30 15:57:57
69.   Eric Enders
"Why is the Ethier trade even?"

Well, for starters, the guy we traded is either the best or second-best player in the American League.

2008-05-30 15:58:36
70.   trainwreck
I have friends that chew and one of them I do not think has ever step foot on a baseball field.
2008-05-30 15:59:08
71.   Eric Enders
Considering what Bradley did last year as well, it's actually being pretty generous to Colletti to call the trade even.
2008-05-30 15:59:30
72.   Eric Stephen
67
Why is the Ethier trade even?

I would guess because Ethier's quantity (1143 vs 856 PA) pretty much cancels out Bradley's quality (139 vs. 108 OPS+).

2008-05-30 15:59:51
73.   Bulldog1988
My Dodger Mt. Rushmore would have Lasorda, Hershiser, Jackie, and Campy. I'm a product of the 80s (sorry if anyone feels old) so my first love of the Dodgers was with Lasorda and Hershiser. Fernando is great, but so many have said him thought I would go with another good 80s player.
2008-05-30 15:59:59
74.   regfairfield
67 It's questionable if we'd be able to re-sign Bradley, but I certainly wouldn't mind if we had him instead of Ethier at this moment.

When he gets hurt again/comes back to Earth, we can reevaluate.

2008-05-30 16:00:51
75.   Marty
So the publisher of the rag I work at is going to sing the national anthem at the June 5 game. I have to get video of it.
2008-05-30 16:00:54
76.   imperabo
Hmm, wow, I didn't realize how good Bradley was this year. We always knew he could hit.
2008-05-30 16:01:24
77.   Bluebleeder87
55

I know, that's so yesterday.

2008-05-30 16:01:46
78.   LAT
This Mt. Rushmore analysis must be the new thing. This morning on ESPN Radio, Scott Van Pelt was talking about who he would put on his NBA Mt. Rushmore and whether Kobe would make it. Jordan and three other spots with one or two going to Russell or Chamberlin.
2008-05-30 16:02:32
79.   fiddlestick
Looking at the timeline, it looks like Ned's skills decline as he ages.
2008-05-30 16:03:26
80.   Evan Darrow
56 I wouldn't count the Maddux deal as good; wash probably, but no higher. Izzy was no loss, but Ned turned around and declined arbitration on Maddux, which meant that the draft picks that could've been had for him were lost. Not to mention his being let go is largely what led to the Schmidt signing, but if I really considered the two connected, this'd be way worse than "wash".
2008-05-30 16:04:24
81.   Eric Stephen
78
Wow, ESPN really is about the Now™. I love Kobe as much as the next guy, but he wouldn't make my Laker Mt. Rushmore yet, let alone all NBA.
2008-05-30 16:05:37
82.   Eric Stephen
80
I always kind of linked Maddux to the Wolf deal (1 yr, $8m) as opposed to Schmidt.
2008-05-30 16:06:14
83.   imperabo
81 There really shouldn't be that much difference between the two lists though.
2008-05-30 16:06:56
84.   regfairfield
80 We would have had to keep starting Sele if we wouldn't have gotten Maddux.
2008-05-30 16:06:56
85.   underdog
My think about Bradley is just how many times he gets injured. When he's healthy, and not entirely unhappy, he's enormously talented. I liked the trade we'd made to acquire him in the first place, even if it, too, gave up a good prospect. But isn't it fair to say that Ethier has been solid and consistent and Bradley has a greater upside but a greater downside? I think that's why I called it even, but I could see it argued differently.

80 - I think Maddux was a steal, sorry. But agree we could've offered him arbitration, that would've been smarter.

2008-05-30 16:07:17
86.   Jacob L
81 West, Mikan, Magic, and Kareem? Or Shaq for Mikan? Or Wilt for Mikan?
2008-05-30 16:07:55
87.   Bob Timmermann
My Laker Mt. Rushmore would have Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Cedric Ceballos, and J.R. Rider.
2008-05-30 16:07:58
88.   Bluebleeder87
Turning on the Prius was an adventure.
2008-05-30 16:08:46
89.   Eric Stephen
86
Magic, West, Mikan, Kareem on Mt. Rushmore, with Kobe standing in line behind Baylor, Wilt, and Shaq right now.
2008-05-30 16:08:51
90.   Bluebleeder87
87

is the K silent Bob?

Kwame.

2008-05-30 16:09:39
91.   regfairfield
We would all hate Ned if we ended up paying 12 million for a guy with a 98 ERA+ (probably worse since that's with the Padres defense).
2008-05-30 16:09:47
92.   Jacob L
87 Sedale Threatt? Mike Penberthy? Larry Spriggs? Mark Lansburger?
2008-05-30 16:10:09
93.   Bob Timmermann
88
You mean pressing a button was a new experience.

The older Priuses require you to press that button every 108 minutes that you drive.

2008-05-30 16:11:44
94.   Jon Weisman
80 - I would look at the Maddux acqusition and the postseason decision on him as two separate transactions.
2008-05-30 16:12:06
95.   fanerman
My Dodger Rushmore: Werth, Grabowski, Phillips, Repko
2008-05-30 16:12:25
96.   Jacob L
USD is pouring it on against Cal. 5-0 with the bases still loaded in the bottom of the 7th. I guess if I go tomorrow, it'll be the early (losers) game.
2008-05-30 16:14:50
97.   Bob Timmermann
"Losers bracket" sounds so harsh. Why don't we call it "the teams that didn't win bracket?"
2008-05-30 16:16:56
98.   Bob Hendley
Just tuned in and see JP is at second. What did he do, double?
2008-05-30 16:17:06
99.   fiddlestick
Japanese MLB Mt. Rushmore:

Nomo, Ichiro, Matsui and..... Saito?

2008-05-30 16:17:09
100.   KG16
97 - you're probably also one of those people that would rather call "Sudden Death Overtime" "Golden Goal Overtime", huh?
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2008-05-30 16:17:32
101.   KG16
98 - Juan Pierre Double: walk followed by a steal.
2008-05-30 16:17:44
102.   ucladodger
Lyons and Steiner are idiots. They keep talking about how Kemp will see more fastballs (to them, a good thing), but of course they dont realize he cant hit a fastball this year. It's sad seeing his approach at the plate this year, missing fastballs like that thigh high over the heart.
2008-05-30 16:18:27
103.   Bluebleeder87
93

no no no, it is more complicated than that:

1) it's not a traditional key (that thru me way off)

2) you have to MAKE SURE YOUR PRESSING THE BREAK before pressing the buttom

3) the shift stick is new age, couldn't figure that out either.

2008-05-30 16:20:15
104.   Jacob L
103 It takes a day or two to get used to it. I hate having to use a regular key when I drive another car now.
2008-05-30 16:20:27
105.   Bluebleeder87
that Loney hit was a lazer shot.
2008-05-30 16:21:50
106.   dontraiseplz
guys runs (plural!) are being scored! hurray
2008-05-30 16:22:31
107.   Bob Hendley
Double your pleasure, double your fun!
2008-05-30 16:22:41
108.   Bluebleeder87
I feel like a kid like Kershaw will relax more with that lead.
2008-05-30 16:23:58
109.   Jacob L
Of course I attended the Maine start at Dodger Stadium last month where he was untouchable. I'm never going to a Dodger game again.
2008-05-30 16:24:32
110.   underdog
Wheee!

Nice start. I'm watching this while still on the phone with my boss and trying not to shout in glee.

2008-05-30 16:24:54
111.   Jacob L
Let me guess. Booing at Shea?
2008-05-30 16:25:36
112.   sporky
DeWitt taking grounders at 2B? Dodgers score runs? Squee!
2008-05-30 16:26:03
113.   Bluebleeder87
61

well hopefully he cuts it down to one.(couldn't resist)

2008-05-30 16:30:42
114.   Bluebleeder87
Looks like Reyes did his homework.
2008-05-30 16:31:18
115.   Reddog
Looking at the bright side, as bad as the dodgers have been playing, we're only 3 1/2 games out of first place.
2008-05-30 16:31:59
116.   Jon Weisman
Okay, to put things in perspective, here's Diamond Leung:

"Blake DeWitt has begun taking ground balls at second base, turning double plays with Russell Martin at shortstop."

2008-05-30 16:32:13
117.   Jim Hitchcock
110 I was going to say what underdog said, but he beat me to it.

OTOH, squee?

2008-05-30 16:32:37
118.   fiddlestick
I'm following on gamecast, but I imagine Maza double clutched?
2008-05-30 16:33:34
119.   scareduck
88 - we rented one before we bought it. Learning how to turn it on was an adventure. It took us 10 minutes at the gas station before we figured it out. The instructions weren't much help.
2008-05-30 16:33:40
120.   ucladodger
Luis Castillo? Seriously?
2008-05-30 16:33:52
121.   dontraiseplz
wow a homer to LUIS CASTILLO? 26 HRs in his career.
2008-05-30 16:34:08
122.   overkill94
Get the ball down, Meat
2008-05-30 16:34:29
123.   scareduck
Well, Kershaw gets schooled in a toilet.

That just sound awful.

2008-05-30 16:34:38
124.   underdog
Ay caramba.

Kershaw: The Sickening. (The first inning.) He just needs to settle down.

2008-05-30 16:34:41
125.   imperabo
Squee. . . the exact sound my 1 year old son makes whenever he manages to catch one of the cats.
2008-05-30 16:34:59
126.   scareduck
118 - you can take a drink just on principle.
2008-05-30 16:35:24
127.   Jim Hitchcock
Ok, Clayton...time to bear down with a look of toothy confidence.
2008-05-30 16:35:24
128.   Bluebleeder87
K's Wright but gives us the dinger to Castillo, he works back words folks!
2008-05-30 16:35:45
129.   underdog
I dunno what Wright was arguing there. Siddown!
2008-05-30 16:36:07
130.   fiddlestick
Castillo does have more career homers than Matt Kemp. :D
2008-05-30 16:36:57
131.   Bluebleeder87
I'd throw nothing but cheese to Tatis.
2008-05-30 16:37:18
132.   Bob Timmermann
It's our arch-enemy at bat now. Tatis must go down!
2008-05-30 16:37:27
133.   dzzrtRatt
Perhaps Wright wasn't arguing. He was curating.
2008-05-30 16:37:48
134.   Bob Timmermann
He grounded out before I could finish getting out my invective.

Perhaps I'll just go back to hating Jose Guillen.

2008-05-30 16:38:02
135.   Jacob L
Well you can say that he needs to settle down, but making a mistake to a Luis Castillo isn't usually going to end up costing you 2 runs.
2008-05-30 16:38:56
136.   Jim Hitchcock
125 Thanks, I like that!
2008-05-30 16:39:00
137.   fiddlestick
Was it this spring or last spring that Tatis had a minor league invite to Dodger camp?
2008-05-30 16:42:21
138.   Jim Hitchcock
The instructions weren't much help.

Well, the folk who formerly wrote VCR manuals had to get work somewhere!

2008-05-30 16:43:59
139.   Bluebleeder87
Kershaw only threw fastballs & the curve.
2008-05-30 16:45:05
140.   scareduck
138 - they reminded me of what might happen if you wrote everything you knew about the car down on 3x5 cards, shuffled them randomly, and then printed it.

And indexed only a third of it.

2008-05-30 16:45:35
141.   scareduck
139 - that's good because that's all the pitches he really has at this point.
2008-05-30 16:47:18
142.   Bluebleeder87
like all the good was do, Kershaw settles down & pitches a perfect 2nd inning.
2008-05-30 16:47:48
143.   Bob Timmermann
I don't like the look of this Nick Evans kid from his Gameday photo.

He doesn't look me in the eye.

2008-05-30 16:47:56
144.   scareduck
Wow, I barely had time to think about Kershaw's half before it was the Dodgers' turn at bat again.
2008-05-30 16:48:13
145.   cargill06
pitch count? other than luis castillo the mets have hit a bunch of weak grounders and popups
2008-05-30 16:49:28
146.   Bob Timmermann
140
Turning on Prius was not that hard.

1. Have smartkey on person.
2. Sit down in car.
3. Step on brake.
4. Push button to start.
5. Put car in "D" to go forward and "R" to go backward.
6. Lather.
7. Rinse.
8. Repeat.

2008-05-30 16:49:31
147.   bigcpa
That curve called strike to Delgado was youtube material. Steiner didn't even acknowledge it while he prattled on about Delgado's career AVG in the 2nd inning.
2008-05-30 16:50:07
148.   overkill94
141 His change-up was actually fairly decent during his first start. I only remember him throwing it a handful of times, but he had pretty good command of it even if it didn't have a ton of movement. Plus, he threw it at around 82 so it brings another speed to the table.
2008-05-30 16:51:52
149.   ucladodger
Still trying to take everything the other way. Matt looks really lost up there.
2008-05-30 16:51:55
150.   Jon Weisman
146 - A car that shampoos your hair while you drive would be useful.
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2008-05-30 16:52:07
151.   scareduck
143 - I don't know if they're still using the same photo, but Gustavo Chacin had his photo taken wearing heavily silvered goggles. His 2008 picture almost gives you the feel for it, but it made him look like an evil pitching robot:

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=407860

2008-05-30 16:53:52
152.   Bluebleeder87
147

to be fair to Stainer I had the impression he was looking at his notes.

2008-05-30 16:54:24
153.   Jon Weisman
61 pitches for Maine through three.
2008-05-30 16:54:27
154.   underdog
Um, might want to swing there at some point, James. Ah well.
2008-05-30 16:54:29
155.   Jim Hitchcock
147 Try supplanting what Vinny's call would have been over Steiner's prattle.
2008-05-30 16:54:30
156.   imperabo
Is Kent swinging early to compensate for lost bat speed?
2008-05-30 16:55:04
157.   scareduck
146 - have smartkey on person only works if you've enabled that feature.

The thing we weren't used to is the necessity of pushing down on the brake at the same time as pushing the power on button. We figured it would only be necessary while shifting into drive. Wrong-o, Mary-Lou.

2008-05-30 16:55:42
158.   KAYVMON
149 I disagree. Even with two strikes, he's not chasing fastballs out of the zone, and he's fouling off all the breaking pitches. His swing just needs to be less defensive and he will be hitting lots of homeruns very soon.
2008-05-30 16:56:43
159.   underdog
Kershaw is 21 strikes and 10 balls 2 pitches into the third.
2008-05-30 16:57:25
160.   Bluebleeder87
the real test for the Prius will come this monday when I fill her up & see how long she last.
2008-05-30 16:58:37
161.   underdog
Does SNY really need 3 blathering announcers in the booth? Isn't one or two enough? What is this, Monday Night Football?
2008-05-30 16:58:43
162.   KG16
Part of me would like to see Kershaw go a bit Drysdale here on Castillo... but I don't think he will.
2008-05-30 16:59:01
163.   Jim Hitchcock
160 Keep her parked, last long time :)
2008-05-30 16:59:17
164.   Greg Brock
Like his last start, I'm amazed that somebody with such ridiculous stuff goes away all the time.

Bust 'em in, man!

2008-05-30 17:00:33
165.   dontraiseplz
Clay leaves pitches really high out of the stretch.
2008-05-30 17:01:01
166.   Jim Hitchcock
[161} SNY? So that's what that stupid twirling logo says.
2008-05-30 17:01:07
167.   Bluebleeder87
like my dad would say "El outomatico" (the strike to Castillo)
2008-05-30 17:01:22
168.   underdog
And the SNY announcers are total homers as well. Neat! {mute}
2008-05-30 17:02:12
169.   scareduck
160 - we get ~44-46 MPG pretty much no matter what we do to it. We're on the second set of tires, and the shop we bought them from apparently wasn't used to the high inflation pressures that Prius tires require (max pressure is listed at 50 PSI, from memory, and I've been keeping them at 40). We paid extra for nitrogen inflation, and I should have checked the pressure they left the shop with, because when I eventually checked it, it was only 30 PSI. No wonder our gas mileage was so "low" (42-43 MPG).

Biggest single driving tip for extending your mileage is to get to speed quickly and then tickle your accelerator to keep the car running off the battery.

Kershaw suddenly looks mighty mortal out there, walking two straight with David Wright at the plate.

2008-05-30 17:02:54
170.   Bob Timmermann
168
Actually the SNY announcers aren't that bad compared to the YES announcers. Hernandez and Darling can be quite critical of the Mets.
2008-05-30 17:02:58
171.   trainwreck
87
That is an insult to Ceballos to lump him with those jobbers.
2008-05-30 17:04:27
172.   Greg Brock
Strike or no strike, that was a hell of a 3-2 pitch to David Wright.
2008-05-30 17:04:33
173.   Bluebleeder87
164

It really is that easy BUT he has to BELIEVE he can do that, that's not so easy, plus (to me) it seemed like he was thinking to much out there when he was facing Castillo (he's castillo darn it!) but it's a learning process.

2008-05-30 17:04:42
174.   Bob Timmermann
169
There hasn't been an immortal pitcher in baseball since Connor McLeod took that line drive off the head.
2008-05-30 17:05:13
175.   underdog
170 - Hm, I think it's the main announcer who does more of the cheerleading yah. And was quite upset at the unfair strike zone that Kershaw was getting but not Maine (according to them). And Kershaw three straight walks seems to disprove that theory.
2008-05-30 17:05:19
176.   confucius
Wow, Martin kept calling for breaking balls and the guy had just walked the last two hitters
2008-05-30 17:05:21
177.   Bluebleeder87
call a time out Russeell & have him take a deep breath & relax out there! {let's go!}
2008-05-30 17:05:45
178.   Johnny Nucleo
I'm probably the millionth person to say this but Kershaw's Gameday picture sure makes him look like Orel.
2008-05-30 17:05:55
179.   scareduck
174 - but there have been plenty of immoral ones.
2008-05-30 17:06:56
180.   Jim Hitchcock
No time to fiddle here, Kershaw.
2008-05-30 17:07:39
181.   underdog
Hmm, well that was better than a grand slam!
2008-05-30 17:08:25
182.   Bluebleeder87
He really does look like Hershiser in his gameday pic.
2008-05-30 17:08:26
183.   Bob Timmermann
Ah, Tatis eases the pain.
2008-05-30 17:08:38
184.   Greg Brock
181 That's the spirit.
2008-05-30 17:09:15
185.   underdog
"Just sit on the fastball," suggests the SNY announcer. Yeah, okay, I guess, since they certainly aren't gonna hit his curveball.

Well, that inning could've been a lot worse.

2008-05-30 17:09:15
186.   Jim Hitchcock
169 How much for the nitrogen inflation?
2008-05-30 17:09:36
187.   scareduck
Meh.

I'm still not sold entirely on the Kershaw-as-a-major-leaguer idea just yet. I just don't like the idea of having guys skip levels like the Dodgers did with Kershaw, and nothing I've seen so far dissuades me of that.

Certainly, that was a terrible inning, though it could have been worse.

2008-05-30 17:10:12
188.   cargill06
ya delgado meet mr. snappy
2008-05-30 17:10:25
189.   Bluebleeder87
Your always told to:

1)take a time out when your not throwing strikes

2)walk around the mound, take a deep breath & visualize what you wanna do.

2008-05-30 17:11:20
190.   imperabo
Mets announcers were sure exited by that sac fly. Guess they didn't realize it lowered their run expentancy for the inning.
2008-05-30 17:11:23
191.   Bluebleeder87
the mighty GOLDEN GOD delivers.

mammoth shot, YES!

2008-05-30 17:11:36
192.   Greg Brock
Bomb by the Golden God.
2008-05-30 17:11:54
193.   scareduck
169 - $5/tire.

Martin goes deep to get his pitcher off the hook. Now that's a catcher!

2008-05-30 17:11:56
194.   D4P
Before a Mets game earlier this season, Willie Randolph asked outfielder Carlos Beltran to state the most important thing he wished to accomplish that night.

"Hit a bases-loaded sac fly?" Beltran asked.

Randolph beemed with pride.

When apprised of the conversation, Dodger third base coach Larry Bowa responded, "(Expletive) straight."

2008-05-30 17:11:59
195.   fanerman
Woot.
2008-05-30 17:12:07
196.   underdog
Hah hah. As Nelson would interject.

Golden God!

2008-05-30 17:12:30
197.   KG16
187 - please tell me I missed the sarcasm in translation. It was a terrible inning when he struck out one and allowed only one run on no hits?

If those are what are going to qualify as terrible innings for the remainder of Kershaw's career I say sign him right now to a 20-yr, billion dollar contract.

2008-05-30 17:14:02
198.   imperabo
194 Beltran just knows how to tie.
2008-05-30 17:14:11
199.   Fallout
108 Bluebleeder87

How do you feel now?

2008-05-30 17:14:29
200.   Greg Brock
If we give Kershaw a billion dollars, it's going to really hamper our ability to lock Blake DeWitt up long term.
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2008-05-30 17:15:13
201.   Bob Timmermann
A billion dollars here, a billion dollars there and soon you're talking about real money.
2008-05-30 17:15:28
202.   KG16
Ok, honest question, which would everyone rather have:

(a) 2 guys that can hit 40-50 home runs and five guys that hit 15-20

or

(b) 7 guys that hit 20-30 home runs?

Personally, I'd go with option (b) for balance in the line up, never know where it's going to come from.

2008-05-30 17:15:52
203.   D4P
Beltran just knows how to tie

And everyone knows that you play for the tie when you're at home.

It takes at least 5 years in the league to understand such things.

2008-05-30 17:16:18
204.   KG16
200 , 201 - over 20 years, that's not really all that much, but okay, fine, $500 mil.
2008-05-30 17:16:22
205.   scareduck
197 - oh, come on. Walking all three of the baserunners to load the bases is pretty godawful.
2008-05-30 17:17:19
206.   Jim Hitchcock
193 That's all? The so-called economic guru on CNN was recommending against as a way to save money. Too funny.
2008-05-30 17:17:53
207.   scareduck
202 - It really depends on what their secondary attributes are, i.e. do they get on base? The Reds have fielded lineups that don't vary far from what you're describing and yet they lose and lose.
2008-05-30 17:17:53
208.   regfairfield
202 In the long run, A. It's a lot easier to make improvements to that team than the second one.
2008-05-30 17:18:05
209.   Reddog
Russell Martin could be the NL All-Star catcher again this year.
2008-05-30 17:18:08
210.   imperabo
205 That's the worst kind of cherry picking.
2008-05-30 17:18:17
211.   Bob Timmermann
I'm going to inflate all my tires with argon.
2008-05-30 17:18:48
212.   Greg Brock
202 Easily option A.
2008-05-30 17:19:23
213.   Bluebleeder87
169

[taking notes] I'll definitely try that.

2008-05-30 17:19:45
214.   underdog
205 - It wasn't a very strong inning, it's true, he had command issues tho he did settle down and only gave up the run. I think to judge him, or to prove or disprove your point based on one inning also seems a little impatient and unfair but that's just me. I also don't see what Kershaw was going to learn in the Pacific Coast League, frankly, though I could see the argument for leaving him in Jax a bit longer. But personally, I'm excited he's here and think he'll be fine.
2008-05-30 17:19:53
215.   scareduck
208 - on the other hand, the Mets are a good example of what happens when you think you're getting (A) but end up getting (B) or worse (see Beltran, Carlos).
2008-05-30 17:20:03
216.   imperabo
If you've seen South Park you know what gas Prius drivers should use to inflate their tires.
2008-05-30 17:20:19
217.   Greg Brock
He gave up a hit to Carlos Delgado.

Might be time to send him back down.

2008-05-30 17:21:01
218.   underdog
2 bad innings in a row aren't much fun, however.

Well, at least Kuo could probably come in again today if needed.

2008-05-30 17:21:09
219.   scareduck
214 - Kershaw exceeded my expectations for him in his first appearance by quite a wide margin. I think he'll get hammered and hard; with only two pitches, it won't take long for the league to catch up to him, especially if he can't throw one or both for strikes.
2008-05-30 17:21:14
220.   Greg Brock
Away away away...To Evans.
2008-05-30 17:21:35
221.   regfairfield
Tradesville. Population: Kershaw.
2008-05-30 17:22:02
222.   Jim Hitchcock
211 I had a good inert gas joke lined up there, only to find that nitrogen is even more inert.
2008-05-30 17:22:22
223.   KG16
Can we just fire the coaching staff and let the team run itself, sandlot style?
2008-05-30 17:23:23
224.   scareduck
211 - you noble gas snob, you.
2008-05-30 17:24:07
225.   Johnny Nucleo
211 I could help you with that if you're ever in town.
2008-05-30 17:25:33
226.   KG16
now would be a good time for three straight strike outs
2008-05-30 17:25:42
227.   Greg Brock
One out.
2008-05-30 17:25:47
228.   Bluebleeder87
199

walks are death to a pitcher, but I saw him pitch live & I'd be unwise not to believe in him.

2008-05-30 17:27:57
229.   underdog
My main point (if I do have one) is that Kershaw is going to struggle at times (as he has here) and that's to be expected and okay. Being in the minors a bit longer may have been the right thing, but how much longer, and to what ends? I'd rather him learn here at this point. Just mho.
2008-05-30 17:28:26
230.   Bluebleeder87
though I could see the argument for leaving him in Jax a bit longer.

I think ALL of us agreed on that BUT the way our 1 & 2 guys were pitching it was a necessity to bring him up.

2008-05-30 17:28:40
231.   Johnny Nucleo
Jose Reyes has more home runs this season than any Dodger. I wouldn't have predicted that.
2008-05-30 17:28:44
232.   Greg Brock
America's heartthrob, not helping his pitcher.
2008-05-30 17:28:46
233.   underdog
Darnit, that should've been an inning ending double play!
2008-05-30 17:30:15
234.   Greg Brock
Luis Castillo squares around on 3-0. He's ten years old, apparently.
2008-05-30 17:32:47
235.   Bluebleeder87
the learning curves of a young stud pitcher, he'll be all right, I ain't worried at all.
2008-05-30 17:33:10
236.   Ken Noe
Keith Hernandez does not care for Blake DeWitt's fielding.
2008-05-30 17:34:00
237.   Fallout
87 Bob Timmermann
Is D4P at your house?
2008-05-30 17:34:04
238.   Greg Brock
236 Busted clock, twice a day, et cetera.
2008-05-30 17:34:22
239.   Bob Timmermann
236
He probably thinks DeWitt should play second. Or perhaps DeWitt doesn't field as well as the slick fielders that the Mets have.
2008-05-30 17:35:28
240.   scareduck
229 - Being in the minors a bit longer may have been the right thing, but how much longer, and to what ends?

Two more years, the same as every other prospect, barring some notable improvement in his numbers, and to improve his confidence and ability against better hitters. Neither of those should be controversial. How allowing him to get shelled by batters two levels better than him is going to help him is beyond me.

2008-05-30 17:36:29
241.   underdog
Wow, Chan Ho's throwing 95. That's surprising.
2008-05-30 17:36:42
242.   scareduck
222 - An argon atom and a covalently bonded nitrogen molecule walk into a bar...
2008-05-30 17:37:40
243.   Bob Hendley
Mazza! Glug, glug, glug...
2008-05-30 17:38:17
244.   Tom Meagher
Good times to bring in Kuo:
4th inning, tie game
10th inning, tie game

Good times to bring in Park:
5th inning, trailing by three

What am I missing here?

2008-05-30 17:38:27
245.   dontraiseplz
scareduck: two more years is far too much for Kershaw.

"notable improvement in his numbers" - Im not sure how his numbers could get better than they did. They sure wouldn't get better in Vegas.

2008-05-30 17:38:41
246.   Bluebleeder87
new ball game 4-4.
2008-05-30 17:39:02
247.   cargill06
i knew in early march i could always count of you chan hoooooo
2008-05-30 17:39:13
248.   underdog
Two more years in the minors for Kershaw just wasn't going to happen. But again, I could see arguing for him staying down there longer this season.

But he's a confident guy, and a good learner. Getting shelled in the majors and then learning from it as presumably he will, is better for him than facing AA batters and reaching a ceiling with what he can learn there, is my point.

2008-05-30 17:41:11
249.   Greg Brock
That's not very effective bunting.
2008-05-30 17:41:59
250.   Bluebleeder87
right to the pitcher, smart Pierre.
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2008-05-30 17:42:19
251.   scareduck
248 - you mean AAA batters. I simply can't believe that people continue — willfully, I might add — to forget Edwin Jackson. No, he's not a perfect example. But he's instructive enough.
2008-05-30 17:43:04
252.   Bluebleeder87
I see Rob's point but for me I agree with underdog.
2008-05-30 17:44:00
253.   Bluebleeder87
Scareduck vs. underdog The Movie, coming soon.
2008-05-30 17:44:16
254.   scareduck
245 - okay, fine, finish this year, and let next year be contingent on his work in AAA. But what purpose does rushing him serve? Wishcasting? Well, as this game shows, it's not working. And the fissures in his first game hinted that this might be coming.
2008-05-30 17:44:57
255.   scareduck
253 - It'll be on pay-per-view soon enough.
2008-05-30 17:45:43
256.   Greg Brock
Kershaw is way more polished than Edwin Jackson ever was.*

*Not an endorsement of leaving him up all year.

2008-05-30 17:45:59
257.   Bluebleeder87
Park has been such a pleasant surprise.
2008-05-30 17:46:16
258.   Bob Timmermann
There were fissures Sunday?

Where?

2008-05-30 17:46:26
259.   JoeyP
What is Chan Ho's shelf life?
2008-05-30 17:46:33
260.   Bob Timmermann
I'm taking "fissures" literally.
2008-05-30 17:47:05
261.   Bob Timmermann
Chan Ho Park came in aseptic packaging.
2008-05-30 17:47:21
262.   bigcpa
260 So is Kaz Matsui.
2008-05-30 17:47:58
263.   Bluebleeder87
before you know it, we will win this game the D-Backs will lose & we'll be 2 & a half games back.

nothing to it.

2008-05-30 17:48:02
264.   dontraiseplz
every young pitcher will get shelled in his first year, we can't let one performance dictate whether the move was correct/incorrect or successful/a failure.

I see your point but you can't use "as this game shows" as the hard evidence. I'm not even arguing that sending up Clay was the right move but lets not panic after the 2nd start.

2008-05-30 17:48:27
265.   Bob Timmermann
UCLA leads UVA 2-1 in the bottom of the 6th at Fullerton.
2008-05-30 17:49:09
266.   underdog
Aw, it's a discussion not an argument. Which I'm getting something out of. At any rate, I feel like - and presumably the Dodgers feel the same - that he's more mature and ML-ready than Jackson was, or at least I've heard that from them and from scouts. I don't see them giving up on him as they did with Jackson (unfortunately). But we shall see.

I sometimes wonder about the differences between pitchers and hitters' development, and know that, too, has to do with the individual player and their makeup, among other factors. But I remember when the Dodgers sent Loney back down beginning of last season for more seasoning or whatever, most of us were pretty aghast. I know he was. Maybe that extra time was a good learning experience for him, who knows. I recall him being frustrated, but he did rake when he finally did arrive. Apples and oranges, of course, just wondering aloud.

Rats, I can only watch one more inning and then have to go out.

2008-05-30 17:50:18
267.   JoeyP
The Dodgers are going nowhere this year. Therefore, its as good of time as any to get Kershaw experience. He'll be better for it in the long, as will the Dodgers.
2008-05-30 17:50:44
268.   Fallout
Why spend more time in the minors? Experience. So, what does experience do? He's not going to throw harder or have a better breaking pitch. He'll develop some tangible and intangible improvements.
2008-05-30 17:51:28
269.   underdog
I'd suck at UFC. Hopefully scareduck can spot me a handicap to start. ;-) Otherwise I may break into my old Navajo Indian trick... of screaming and begging.*

(c) Woody Allen, 1960s

2008-05-30 17:52:15
270.   Greg Brock
Enough with the everybody just getting under it. Stop it, Steiner.

Stop.

2008-05-30 17:52:55
271.   Bluebleeder87
Dude, Russel Martin esta en fuego!!
2008-05-30 17:53:04
272.   Bob Hendley
That was a nice little smile from Chan Ho after getting Tatis. Wonder what the Nicknamelessone said to him.
2008-05-30 17:53:22
273.   underdog
Martin's looking on fire today.
2008-05-30 17:53:32
274.   Bob Timmermann
Yellow alert! Yellow alert!
2008-05-30 17:56:42
275.   Greg Brock
If Martin is involved in a CI and hits for the cycle in a three day span, that would be amazing. It's not hitting for the librarian or anything but pretty sweet.
2008-05-30 17:56:55
276.   Bluebleeder87
under the circumstances, I really feel the Dodgers did the right thing in bringing Kershaw up.

I'm not worried about him, BELIEVE me.

2008-05-30 17:56:56
277.   Jon Weisman
251 - As long as you're ignoring every positive example of a player bypassing AAA, I'd call it even. Show us a pattern instead of an isolated example.

If Kershaw continues to struggle, they can send him down. No big deal.I haven't seen evidence yet that giving him a look was inherently a bad idea. Saying Edwin Jackson over and over again isn't evidence. Tom did a comment that basically showed how little the two have in common.

2008-05-30 17:57:47
278.   jtrichey
I'm going to call a spade a spade (what do other people call a spade?) and say that tonight, Kershaw stunk. Much like 1st year Billingsley, every fastball was sailing high and outside. It seemed mechanical to me. I mean no other analysis of his future, but tonight Kershaw was a dud.
2008-05-30 17:58:13
279.   Bob Timmermann
And in which stadium did Wes Parker hit for the cycle?
2008-05-30 17:58:52
280.   Bob Timmermann
278
Club.
2008-05-30 17:59:55
281.   underdog
277 - Yah, and of course the other thing is it all could be moot if Jason Schmidt comes back and then they may very well send Kershaw back down anyway.

Who's this Chan Ho Park fella, btw? He seems like quite a find.

2008-05-30 18:00:24
282.   underdog
Hats off, Chan ho!
2008-05-30 18:03:08
283.   Bob Timmermann
Cue foreboding music.
2008-05-30 18:03:45
284.   Bluebleeder87
canta pajarito, canta... (spanish saying when an ump doesn't call a strike)
2008-05-30 18:04:12
285.   underdog
Welp, I have to leave. Will check out the archives late tonight. Good luck to the Dodgers! Night all.
2008-05-30 18:04:24
286.   Bob Hendley
279 - Standing down. Oops, what color is the alert when it is not an alter anymore and actually happens?
2008-05-30 18:04:58
287.   cargill06
let's alert the people in texas, chan ho is more than living up to his contract.
2008-05-30 18:05:10
288.   Bob Timmermann
The alerts never are altered.
2008-05-30 18:05:23
289.   Bluebleeder87
I didn't realize Chan-Ho Park was still capable of throwing 94mph heat let alone occasionally hit 96, really good year so far by Park.
2008-05-30 18:05:38
290.   Bob Hendley
mlb.tv has been frozen for over five minutes. Can I get my soul refunded?
2008-05-30 18:06:22
291.   Bob Hendley
Crosley?
2008-05-30 18:06:40
292.   Ken Noe
290 And to think I praised it this morning. Restarting it worked for me.
2008-05-30 18:09:01
293.   Bob Hendley
Did Maza double clutch going down the line?
2008-05-30 18:09:15
294.   jtrichey
Why is Chan Ho hitting here?
2008-05-30 18:09:44
295.   Ken Noe
Hernandez doesn't like DeWitt's base running either.
2008-05-30 18:11:02
296.   Bluebleeder87
it seems like Castillo has a ghost injury, but hearing Lyons it was probably the pevit (sp?) or something to that affect.
2008-05-30 18:11:11
297.   nofatmike
295 What does Hernandez like?
2008-05-30 18:11:18
298.   Bob Hendley
295 - Well, that's what happens when you go from AA straight to the bigs. ;)
2008-05-30 18:11:49
299.   LoneStar7
dern it..solutions single for nothing, i guess if we had bunted..its not extremely likely park or pierre is bringing him home right
2008-05-30 18:12:29
300.   imperabo
297 The he didn't take out Castillo on the slide.
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2008-05-30 18:12:38
301.   Bluebleeder87
That was a dangerous almost recklace play by DeWitt, I'm thinking he could have gotten hit in the dome.
2008-05-30 18:14:31
302.   Bob Hendley
299 - I assume that M. Sweeney would have... well, you're right, same difference.
2008-05-30 18:17:59
303.   imperabo
Mets' announcers think Kemp is slow.
2008-05-30 18:19:10
304.   Bluebleeder87
destiny is calling Park...
2008-05-30 18:19:39
305.   Tom Meagher
277 I think my stance was/is basically this:

1. The idea of Edwin Jackson that is generally invoked seems not to match up with how he had actually performed.

2. Jackson and Kershaw are not particularly similar. That both of them are Dodgers invites a comparison that, while not meaningless, needs to be counterbalanced by hundreds of other comparisons to help out in the big picture.

3. Jackson and Kershaw are not wholly dissimilar, especially if you are just talking about their AA stints.

4. Many parties seem to think Dodger pitchers should be protected from Vegas. There are two primary issues, as I see it. The first is whether putting up poor numbers hurts a pitcher's development. If it does, then I think that bad coaching is responsible; if your development system can't overcome that flaw, then you should flat out fund a AAA affiliate at sea level. The second is whether breaking balls in particular would take such a hit that the pitcher's development would be stinted. I don't really have the resources to study the latter at the present time, but I have my doubts that any of the involved parties have themselves.

5. AAA seems like it would have been a more appropriate stop for a pitcher like Keshaw in general, but the talent is probably good enough that the aggressive promotion is justifiable. If he were playing in AA, AAA, or MLB today, I don't think any of us could say that the decision was obviously wrong or suboptimal.

6. Kuo is probably, at this point, a more effective major league starting pitcher than Kershaw. Even with a 4-5 inning cap, I think he's a good option. Cutting Sweeney/Tiffee to bring up an extra arm so Kuo can get some 4-5 inning starts makes an awful lot of sense to me. I would probably have a hard cap of 27 batters faced for Kuo, and could see tighter caps as reasonable based on legitimate medical analysis.

2008-05-30 18:19:47
306.   Icaros
I just can't believe that both Park and Tatis are in the league to face each other 9 years later. I also can't believe that was 9 years ago.
2008-05-30 18:21:19
307.   Bluebleeder87
I might by wrong but I don't think Tatis could turn on a good fastball.
2008-05-30 18:21:43
308.   Bob Hendley
303 - I thought he played that quite well, given his relative inexperience playing CF. Anyone fast enough to have caught that ball would have slammed into the wall going 20 mph.
2008-05-30 18:22:07
309.   Bluebleeder87
father time is cruel.
2008-05-30 18:24:18
310.   Tom Meagher
306 My problem is I have no problem believing either is still in the league, but I can't believe a lot of other things involving why they are facing each other right now.
2008-05-30 18:24:24
311.   jtrichey
noone thinks it was a bad call to have Park hitting after 2+ innings of work in a tie game?
2008-05-30 18:24:45
312.   Bluebleeder87
if i'm not mistaken' the game were Tatis hit the granny was an ESPN sunday game, I was watching that game but can't remember if it was a sat. game or sun. game.
2008-05-30 18:25:08
313.   Bob Hendley
96 mph!
2008-05-30 18:25:15
314.   jtrichey
Dewitt's only play was to 1st? I swear he could have thrown home
2008-05-30 18:25:33
315.   Bluebleeder87
That's how the Mets are doing it, frustrating just frustrating.
2008-05-30 18:26:11
316.   imperabo
He really didn't have a play at home?
2008-05-30 18:26:22
317.   LoneStar7
thats a bloody shame
2008-05-30 18:26:51
318.   MSarg29
The Mets announcers are killing DeWitt
2008-05-30 18:28:18
319.   Bluebleeder87
I REALLY hope Martin NOSE NOT call for anything off-speed.
2008-05-30 18:28:19
320.   Greg Brock
Park has more guts in his little finger than all of us have in our entire bodies...Including the colon!
2008-05-30 18:28:49
321.   Bluebleeder87
come back with the out side cheese.
2008-05-30 18:29:25
322.   Bluebleeder87
that's how we do it, yes! (good call Martin!)

cool underpressure = Park.

2008-05-30 18:29:34
323.   LoneStar7
well as much as I hate to say it, and even with the way we're hitting today, I still feel like we need a miracle
2008-05-30 18:29:44
324.   Bob Hendley
Yep, didn't think it was a good idea not to hit for him, but he is gutting it out.
2008-05-30 18:33:19
325.   imperabo
324 He was cruising, and the chances of scoring with 2 out and nobody are negligable in any case.
2008-05-30 18:33:35
326.   LoneStar7
wow good break to get a rabbit on board..
2008-05-30 18:34:09
327.   Bob Hendley
323 - No mircale needed, just a walk and a couple of singles, and then Brox followed by Sammy.
2008-05-30 18:34:38
328.   imperabo
That was way too close for the Mets announcers to get outraged about the call.
2008-05-30 18:35:06
329.   Bob Hendley
323 - Not needed, just a walk and a couple of singles, and then Brox followed by Sammy. Well, there's one of the singles.
2008-05-30 18:35:53
330.   CanuckDodger
According to Gameday, Pierre singled on a pitch well into the batter's box on the other side of the plate.
2008-05-30 18:36:05
331.   cargill06
come on we're due for some type of break aren't we...
2008-05-30 18:36:20
332.   sporky
Tinkle guy is up.
2008-05-30 18:37:44
333.   sporky
WOO!
2008-05-30 18:37:48
334.   Greg Brock
Oppo mental mistake by Matt Kemp.

Tie game.

2008-05-30 18:37:56
335.   LoneStar7
whoooooooo bison baby
2008-05-30 18:38:22
336.   cargill06
i was going to bet 1 million bucks he caught that, about time
2008-05-30 18:38:57
337.   sporky
I wonder what the SNY dudes are saying now.
2008-05-30 18:39:17
338.   LoneStar7
i can't believe it, but man it feels good
2008-05-30 18:39:44
339.   confucius
Tatis looking silly out there.
2008-05-30 18:39:50
340.   JoeyP
Heilman has had a really bad season and he's continuing that tonight.
2008-05-30 18:39:56
341.   Ken Noe
Squee!
2008-05-30 18:40:58
342.   dzzrtRatt
This is a very Angels-like rally. Pierre, Kemp and Kent are using their bats like pool cues (Pierre, Kent) or a gun (Kemp).
2008-05-30 18:41:26
343.   imperabo
337 "Helped out by a bad call to go 6-5".

Class. . .

2008-05-30 18:42:34
344.   Greg Brock
Hit parade.

I can hear my best friend screaming at Heilman from three miles away.

2008-05-30 18:42:43
345.   sporky
I would rather that the camera doesn't focus on Willie Randolph right now. It's not his fault that Heilman is giving up these hits.
2008-05-30 18:42:47
346.   LoneStar7
J-LO cha-ching man its great to see him hitting the ball again
2008-05-30 18:43:14
347.   Bob Timmermann
Remember. It's a yellow alert!
2008-05-30 18:44:10
348.   sporky
Durnit, just an RBI single :)
2008-05-30 18:44:25
349.   Bob Timmermann
The yellow alert is still in effect!
2008-05-30 18:44:49
350.   LoneStar7
poor guy just got shelled
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2008-05-30 18:44:51
351.   JoeyP
BABIP is awesome!
2008-05-30 18:45:08
352.   Bob Timmermann
That's some serious booing.
2008-05-30 18:45:25
353.   sporky
352 'Tis music to my ears.
2008-05-30 18:46:49
354.   Ken Noe
I'm as giddy as a schoolboy.
2008-05-30 18:47:19
355.   dzzrtRatt
When they finally demolish Shea Stadium, a great, multitudinous "boo" will rise to the heavens and shower the city with a yellow rain of bile.
2008-05-30 18:48:06
356.   Gen3Blue
I know I am a horibble fair weather fan, but I'm back. Was there a cycle alert on?
I'm happy with Martin's single. We need more, if ever anyone did.
2008-05-30 18:48:36
357.   Greg Brock
355 How could you hear it over the planes?
2008-05-30 18:50:00
358.   Bob Timmermann
They're not booing. They're actually greeting the Secretary-General of the UN.
2008-05-30 18:50:12
359.   Gen3Blue
Wow, these Mets announcers are tough to take.
They initially had Ethier out on strikes and the run not counting.
2008-05-30 18:50:36
360.   imperabo
358 Boooo-tros?
2008-05-30 18:51:32
361.   Greg Brock
Mets fans won't be happy until Davey Johnson is managing, Mookie Wilson is coaching first, Wally Backman is coaching third, Ron Darling is the pitching coach, and Daryl is the hitting coach.

They're a miserable lot, stuck in the past even worse than the average Dodger fan.

2008-05-30 18:51:35
362.   Sam DC
Woot!

Just wanted to get that out.

2008-05-30 18:51:38
363.   Bob Timmermann
360
Someone isn't getting an A in current events.
2008-05-30 18:52:01
364.   sporky
Moooooon!
2008-05-30 18:52:33
365.   Bob Timmermann
361
A Mets World Series win would be 10000X worse than a Cubs World Series win.

And I'm going low on that estimate.

2008-05-30 18:52:57
366.   Bob Timmermann
364
Sporky gets the A!
2008-05-30 18:52:59
367.   Greg Brock
Spooooooooooooooon!

/Tick

2008-05-30 18:53:52
368.   Bob Timmermann
Of course with the Mets, when they win, you get a ton of useless books, like "Nails", and then when they're bad you get a ton of useless books, like "The Worse Team That Money Can Buy."
2008-05-30 18:53:53
369.   imperabo
363 I'm more of a history guy.
2008-05-30 18:54:10
370.   Ken Noe
Hernandez managed to praise DeWitt, but only by referring to Martin's "rockhead" move.
2008-05-30 18:55:21
371.   Gen3Blue
Man the Mets annoucers created a scenerio in which Martins incredibly poor read of where the ball was forced DeWitt to give himself up to allow Martin to score. Even if this amazing fantasy was true it would have been a good move for the team in any case.
2008-05-30 18:55:26
372.   sporky
Unforunately for Mr. Moon, his name also means "spiracle."
2008-05-30 18:56:52
373.   Gen3Blue
370 Well put, indeed.
2008-05-30 18:56:58
374.   sporky
372 Never mind. I was temporarily confused with the Korean/English way of organizing first and surnames.
2008-05-30 18:57:52
375.   LoneStar7
Joey P update

Loney- 2-4, 2 runs scored, and a RBI double

Tex- 0-3, and 1 RBI on a sac fly

Loney batting .281 to Tex's .270

2008-05-30 18:58:18
376.   Bob Timmermann
Did Keith Hernandez noticed that Jose Reyes was practically standing on second base anticipating a pickoff throw that never came?
2008-05-30 18:58:36
377.   Bob Hendley
On that thought, let's hear it for Chan Ho Park.
2008-05-30 18:59:09
378.   Xeifrank
hmm, Kershaw looks like he needs a 3rd pitch. Really bad command tonight. Hope we win anyways. WE is 95%
vr, Xei
2008-05-30 19:00:16
379.   Ken Noe
I'll say this for Hernandez, he seems equally negative toward everyone.
2008-05-30 19:01:31
380.   dzzrtRatt
Indeed. Park's fourth inning escape act will turn out to have been the ballgame.
2008-05-30 19:02:26
381.   Bob Hendley
378 - The thought being he is less likely to be in bad command of three?
2008-05-30 19:02:34
382.   confucius
371 priceless.
2008-05-30 19:02:40
383.   sporky
CHan Ho used to have an ice cream bar named after him in Korea.
2008-05-30 19:02:44
384.   LoneStar7
that kid behind home plate has waved ALL day
2008-05-30 19:02:47
385.   Bob Timmermann
379
Remember, Hernandez played the game the right way.

Snorting coke.
Showing up his manager.
Fighting with teammates.

2008-05-30 19:04:38
386.   Bob Timmermann
Rays win battle of first place teams with a Cliff Floyd homer in the 9th off of Scott Linebrink of the White Sox.

Rays 2, White Sox 1

2008-05-30 19:05:03
387.   Sam DC
If we didn't have the Mets, we wouldn't have "100 Things Met Fans Should Know or Do Before They Die."

And you know what that means!

2008-05-30 19:05:32
388.   imperabo
385 Maybe if today's players had the dedication to snort coke they would have the agression necessary to take out second basemen properly. What's with this generation.
2008-05-30 19:06:33
389.   dzzrtRatt
Carlos Muniz lives in Wilmington?

He needs a new agent.

2008-05-30 19:07:07
390.   Greg Brock
387 That my Tim Teufel memorial statue would be ignored?

Just kidding. Tim Teufel isn't dead...Yet.

2008-05-30 19:07:40
391.   Ken Noe
388 Or at least got rid of the gray hair. Re-jected! And ironically, Sweeney comes up....
2008-05-30 19:07:59
392.   LoneStar7
hah just listened to the call on dewitt's single via gameday video from the mets announcers...they just sound extremely bitter, and I love it..
2008-05-30 19:08:53
393.   Bob Timmermann
387
I believe that the title of that book should not have the second and fifth through ninth words.
2008-05-30 19:09:03
394.   Ken Noe
Sweeney now at .093, but he knows how to win!
2008-05-30 19:10:21
395.   Bob Timmermann
389
For years, Rod Barajas was always listed as living in Norwalk.

You would think that by now, he could afford some place nicer.

2008-05-30 19:10:40
396.   Bob Timmermann
And yes, I'm in a grouchy mood.
2008-05-30 19:10:54
397.   imperabo
Well, Kemp pulled something.

A ball I mean. Don't get nervous.

2008-05-30 19:14:06
398.   Bob Timmermann
Bruins win a postseason game! 3-2 over UVA on a 9th inning error!

Woo hoo! Take that Yahoos!

2008-05-30 19:14:07
399.   natepurcell
I forgot to wake up for Kershaw's start...

Was he leaving his shoulder open and letting fbs sail?

2008-05-30 19:15:06
400.   Greg Brock
399 Yes. Flying open all over the yard.
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2008-05-30 19:15:17
401.   LoneStar7
398 excellent!
2008-05-30 19:15:42
402.   imperabo
399 Um. . . he no pitchie good.
2008-05-30 19:16:03
403.   Bob Timmermann
Now UCLA needs Rider to upset Cal State Fullerton.

Well, I can dream can't I?

2008-05-30 19:16:18
404.   Ken Noe
398 My two favorite teams are Virginia Tech and whoever's playing UVa.

Hernandez just compared Saito to the camp commander in "Bridge on the River Kwai."

2008-05-30 19:16:37
405.   overkill94
349 Can I stand down yet? My feet are getting tired.
2008-05-30 19:17:32
406.   imperabo
404 His most insightful observation of the night.
2008-05-30 19:18:04
407.   Strike4
385
Conversation with the mirror every morning, "I can do anything, I'm Keith Hernandez."
2008-05-30 19:18:32
408.   Greg Brock
401 When he steps to the mound, his front shoulder falls toward third base, instead of staying in and keeping his mechanics tight. His throwing arm drops and the ball flies away.
2008-05-30 19:18:59
409.   Bob Timmermann
404
Saito doesn't look at all like Sessue Hayakawa.
2008-05-30 19:19:14
410.   Ken Noe
He loves Maza, though. Maza "knows how to play the game."
2008-05-30 19:19:59
411.   natepurcell
Reading over the comments, over the last 3 years Scareduck has gone from "our prospects are overrated, they haven't even done anything in the majors" to a complete 180 of "OMG we are rushing him and ruining him! EDWIN JACKSON!!!"

I find it humorous.

2008-05-30 19:20:09
412.   Greg Brock
Let's ask Bill Singer what he thinks of Takashi Saito and his resemblance to Asian actors of yor.

Take it away, Bill..

2008-05-30 19:20:17
413.   fiddlestick
Loney has the yips.
2008-05-30 19:20:30
414.   sporky
"knows how to play the game."

I'll die a happy person if I never hear that phrase again.

2008-05-30 19:22:24
415.   Ken Noe
Victory. Squee!
2008-05-30 19:28:30
416.   Bob Timmermann
Does anybody know why UCLA intentionally walked the leadoff hitter of the game for ASU?
2008-05-30 19:28:52
417.   Gen3Blue
Peeping between my fingers I see Saito with the possible last pitch, nail some big fat Met right in the middle, and my body bows to remarkable tension. But all is soon well, and we win, as we should repeatedly with our talent after this bad streak.
2008-05-30 19:28:55
418.   Bob Timmermann
416
That's a softball game BTW.
2008-05-30 19:30:52
419.   CanuckDodger
411 -- I've chosen to take the high road about Scareduck's beliefs from former days. We all end up being wrong about something, and we don't need it rubbed in our faces. Of course, maybe I'd feel differently if he hadn't written some nice thing about the two articles I wrote for Jon -- about the Dodgers' thriftiness when it comes to international signings and the 40-man roster additions last November -- on his blog.:)
2008-05-30 19:31:28
420.   KG16
416 - to set up the double play?
2008-05-30 19:39:23
421.   LoneStar7
Is flip taking dressing advice from craig sager? that tie is atrocious...
2008-05-30 19:40:14
422.   Gen3Blue
By the way, while you are around Canuck, do you think we might get Hicks?
2008-05-30 19:46:44
423.   natepurcell
419

Did you see Keith Law's mock draft Canuck? He says Dodgers have been looking at Andrew Cashner and Daniel Schlereth!

nooo!!

2008-05-30 19:47:56
424.   MC Safety
Deceased to me: Mark Sweeney.

That article is absolutely hilarious. Comic relief aside, what has he done for this team? I'll never forget his blunder running the bases, that was great.

2008-05-30 20:04:52
425.   MC Safety
What did I just hear about Japanese gangsters getting transplants at UCLA? Anyone hear about that?
2008-05-30 20:04:56
426.   Bob Timmermann
Ahh, UCLA has decided that ASU's leadoff batter is the best hitter in the game and UCLA has opted to never pitch to her.

Didn't work this time.

2008-05-30 20:05:26
427.   Bob Timmermann
425
It was on the front page of the LA Times.
2008-05-30 20:06:05
428.   Gen3Blue
I have to say I thought Kershaw did OK for a kid of 20. Despite a few bad moments this year, Park, Broxton and Saito are consistantly good. And Kemp, Loney, Martin, Ethier, and DeWitt are clustered around a .300 batting ave., although I admit I haven't looked much deeper. I can't help myself, from seeing things improving over the long term.
2008-05-30 20:11:18
429.   CanuckDodger
422 -- I like Hicks, but I don't know if the Dodgers are interested in him.

423 -- BA says that some clubs are interested in moving Cashner back to starting. If the Dodgers like him, they must think he can start. I hear that Nolan Ryan loves the guy, so maybe he'll be off the board before we pick. After the Dodgers took Adkins last year in the first supplemental round, I wouldn't rule out anything as possible.

2008-05-30 20:11:35
430.   LoneStar7
well looks like we're getting what everyone wanted...gonna be a heck of a challenge opening in bean town
2008-05-30 20:12:10
431.   dzzrtRatt
427 Nowadays, that's a good hiding place for an important news story.
2008-05-30 20:16:19
432.   Bluebleeder87
When he [Sweeney] did that I was very upset bit looking back now it kind of gives me the giggles. Jehehehe
2008-05-30 20:27:48
433.   MC Safety
427 Ah, I heard about it on channel 9. Sounded pretty weird.
2008-05-30 20:35:08
434.   Sam DC
Nationals 6, Diamondbacks 3, top 7.
2008-05-30 20:35:17
435.   Bob Timmermann
Nats lead the DBacks 6-3 in the 7th.
2008-05-30 20:35:57
436.   Sam DC
and Scherzer coming in.
2008-05-30 20:38:20
437.   Bob Timmermann
The player UCLA keeps intentional walking (three times so far) is Katie Cochran. She came into the game with an OBP of .621.

Which was only third best in the country.

2008-05-30 20:42:07
438.   regfairfield
437 How is that possible when they score less than the average soccer game?

If someone only watched the Lost Pilot and the last episode could they think anything but "this must be the stupidest show ever?"

2008-05-30 20:42:49
439.   LAT
Demetri Young makes MoVoughn look like Verne Troyer.
2008-05-30 20:44:37
440.   Bob Timmermann
Softball's scoring is higher than soccer.

Not every time has an unhittable pitcher. ASU is ahead 4-0.

I've switched to Fullerton-Rider. I did not know that the West Coast was known for playing small ball and SEC teams are known for swinging for the fences.

2008-05-30 20:46:49
441.   nofatmike
440 Is Taryne Mowatt pitching?
2008-05-30 20:47:40
442.   Bob Hendley
Vin would have loved Lastings two-handed catch.
2008-05-30 20:53:10
443.   Bob Timmermann
441
No, not that I know who he is.
2008-05-30 20:54:11
444.   Bob Hendley
Since when did mlb.tv start running ads for itself between half innings? I preferred the white screen and silence.
2008-05-30 20:57:26
445.   nofatmike
443 "She" is the star pitcher of U of A. She also attended my high school.
2008-05-30 20:57:44
446.   Bob Hendley
They keep telling me to "keep watching". They already have my money, what do they care?
2008-05-30 20:59:41
447.   Greg Brock
I can't believe Bob Ryan still gets a press pass.
2008-05-30 21:03:15
448.   Bob Timmermann
445
Since the unnamed school wasn't playing in the game today and you gave me a name that had no gender ID, I was confused.
2008-05-30 21:05:20
449.   Bluebleeder87
6-3 Nats, keeping my fingers crossed.
2008-05-30 21:07:04
450.   Icaros
Celtics start a Beat LA chant during their trophy presentation. This is going to be intense.
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2008-05-30 21:07:46
451.   Bob Hendley
Its actually now 6-4, Chad Tracy dinger.
2008-05-30 21:11:23
452.   nofatmike
448 I always get the two schools confused.
2008-05-30 21:14:05
453.   Eric Stephen
450
The hatred has started to build for me. I say we go 1985 on 'em, minus the Memorial Day Massacre of course.
2008-05-30 21:14:51
454.   Bob Hendley
Sacks load for the Nats. Scherzer with control issues.
2008-05-30 21:18:44
455.   Greg Brock
Maybe this series will remind people that Dennis Johnson probably belongs in the Hall of Fame.
2008-05-30 21:20:16
456.   berkowit28
Arizona now losing 7-4, starting bottom of 9th.
2008-05-30 21:22:46
457.   Marty
This is great. I love it that the Lakers are playing the Celtics. Boston owes me a lot still. Stupid Don Nelson.
2008-05-30 21:23:27
458.   Eric Stephen
455
I agree with you about DJ.
2008-05-30 21:25:01
459.   berkowit28
Game over, Arizona lost to Washington. Dodgers 2 1/2 behind. SF just tied SD 3-3.
2008-05-30 21:26:05
460.   Eric Stephen
457
I wasn't even alive then but I hate Don Nelson. I think the Lakers will win as long as Jerry Buss doesn't announce the booking of the USC marching band and load the rafters with balloons before game 5.
2008-05-30 21:32:02
461.   Bob Timmermann
460
I was alive for that game. I don't remember it. So I will hate Don Nelson for you.

As long as I have your continued support for my hatred of Jose Guillen.

2008-05-30 21:36:23
462.   Eric Stephen
461
Agreed. Who says "the system" of DT politics doesn't work?
2008-05-30 21:39:18
463.   Greg Brock
For the record, I got tired of Bill Simmons long before almost anybody I know. Certainly before it became hip to do so.

Just saying.

2008-05-30 21:40:50
464.   thinkblue88
Triple play in SF.
2008-05-30 21:41:23
465.   Reddog
That's amazing that as bad and as unlucky as the Dodgers have been, we're only 2 1/2 games out of first place.

I imagine the fans of all the other NL West teams can't be too happy about the way their teams have played this year.

2008-05-30 21:42:05
466.   Bob Timmermann
But will Indiana Jon be rooting for the Celtics. He's the resident basketball contrarian in these parts.
2008-05-30 21:42:57
467.   Bob Timmermann
Kevin Kouzmanoff grounded into a round the horn triple play in San Francisco
2008-05-30 21:43:31
468.   LA Native
460

Great to see Lakers-Celtics, although it may not feel quite the same. There was nothing like seeing those kelly green uniforms light up the golden court at the Forum.

2008-05-30 21:43:36
469.   Eric Stephen
463
I still like Bill Simmons, but he clearly tried a reverse jinx with his column today. Nice try, Sports Guy.
2008-05-30 21:44:35
470.   LA Native
Also, I don't know if I hate anyone as much as those teams like ML Carr, Ainge, and McHale, although I guess Ainge is the GM...
2008-05-30 21:44:38
471.   Eric Stephen
468
Yeah, I'm not a big fan of the color black becoming increasingly prominent on the Celts road uniforms.
2008-05-30 21:44:52
472.   Bob Timmermann
The MLB.com boxscore has a new stat listing.

"GITP - Kouzmanoff"

They actually have a code for it in their software!

Kouzmanoff does not get credit for a GIDP because three outs were made on the play. Which is something I've not figured out the reason for.

2008-05-30 21:47:33
473.   Icaros
471

I've noticed that sometimes the trim is black, sometimes white, and sometimes a sort of Notre Dame gold.

2008-05-30 21:50:56
474.   Daniel Zappala
Kouzmanoff does not get credit for a GIDP because three outs were made on the play. Which is something I've not figured out the reason for.

??? Imagine we want to know three stats: the number of times someone grounded into a double play, the number of times someone grounded into a triple play, and the number of times someone grounded into either one.

The way you want to track stats, you would need:

a) GIDP - GITP
b) GITP
c) GIDP

It is much more intuitive to do it the way MLB is coding it:

a) GIDP
b) GITP
c) GIDP + GITP

2008-05-30 21:51:23
475.   Eric Stephen
473
sometimes a sort of Notre Dame gold

That would solidify and intensify the hatred for me

2008-05-30 21:53:52
476.   Greg Brock
For those of you not up on all things Celtics, Tom Heinsohn is still alive.

I know...Pretty crazy.

2008-05-30 21:54:53
477.   Eric Stephen
476
Does he still love Walter McCarty?
2008-05-30 21:56:33
478.   Greg Brock
Johnny Most? Still dead.
2008-05-30 22:07:02
479.   Bob Timmermann
Donny Most? Not dead.
2008-05-30 22:07:37
480.   KG16
There will be a certain symmetry to Phil Jackson beating the Celtics to pass Red Aurbach on the all time coaching championships list
2008-05-30 22:09:11
481.   dianagramr
Hmmm .... Giants/Padres extra innings .... orrrrrr ..... Harvey Birdman reruns?

Decisions!

2008-05-30 22:10:51
482.   Icaros
475

I know. I also wrote that to try and get Bob to care more about the Finals.

2008-05-30 22:11:49
483.   Bob Timmermann
481
Didn't you taunt Eric Enders today over the NCAA baseball tournament results?
2008-05-30 22:14:27
484.   dianagramr
481

no taunt-worthiness yet ....

2008-05-30 22:15:15
485.   Bob Timmermann
484
I say, "Taunt 'em while you got 'em"
2008-05-30 22:15:45
486.   Eric Stephen
482 ,483
Bob to care more about the Finals

I think I saw Jose Guillen wearing a Celtics jersey after the Royals game the other day.

2008-05-30 22:17:29
487.   dianagramr
485

if we beat them in basketball .... THEN I taunt.

2008-05-30 22:17:30
488.   dianagramr
485

if we beat them in basketball .... THEN I taunt.

2008-05-30 22:17:54
489.   Greg Brock
481 It never ceases to amaze me, how funny Harvey Birdman is.

But they never show the one where he's addicted to suntan lotion!

2008-05-30 22:21:44
490.   Bob Timmermann
My Extra Innings is showing the Padres-Giants game on two channels.

But both channels are showing the Padres feed.

Double-barreled Vasgersian action!

2008-05-30 22:22:15
491.   dianagramr
489

actually I caught that one a couple of weeks ago ..... classic! (not as classic as the Fred Flintstone one, but ...)

2008-05-30 22:22:30
492.   Bob Timmermann
I forgot to cancel the cycle alert for Russell Martin.

Stand down.

2008-05-30 22:23:17
493.   Bob Timmermann
Kevin Kouzmanoff just bounced into a double play. 5 outs in his last two ABs.
2008-05-30 22:23:19
494.   Eric Stephen
I'm watching the 1987 NBA Championship video right now to get me fired up for Thursday.
2008-05-30 22:29:09
495.   Greg Brock
494 I'm wearing my shorts up around my nether region in honor of this NBA Finals.
2008-05-30 22:29:09
496.   Bob Timmermann
I graduated from UCLA the day the Lakers finished off the Celtics in 1987.

The day went:
1) Massive graduation ceremony at UCLA as this was before the days of small departmental graduations.
2) Mom tells me that she's proud of me (not allowed to be said in my family until you graduated from college)
3) Family goes to my brother's apartment to watch Game 6. Which was played during the daytime.
4) Game ends. We celebrate and I get taken to dinner at Gladstone's where I was given some truly awful food.

2008-05-30 22:31:00
497.   Greg Brock
This will also be the first Lakers-Celtics NBA finals which I will not painfully recreate on a NERF indoor hoop.

Or will I?

2008-05-30 22:31:24
498.   dianagramr
Cialis .... for when you absolutely MUST find out whether the Padres win (and you don't have Tivo)
2008-05-30 22:33:15
499.   Bob Timmermann
I watched Game 4 of the 1987 Finals by myself in my apartment as my two roommates had left to go study. It was Finals Week at UCLA. I didn't have any finals to study for as it was my last quarter and all I had left were two mulitple choice exams for my Bach and Jazz classes.
2008-05-30 22:37:55
500.   Jon Weisman
LaRoche played third tonight: 1 for 3 with two walks and an RBI.

http://tinyurl.com/52244j

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2008-05-30 22:38:15
501.   Eric Stephen
The first regular season game I remember watching was the Celts-Lakers in 1987. Lakers were down 17 in the 3rd quarter (Mychal Thompson's first game as a Laker, wearing 00), but Magic hit a 60-foot shot to end the 3rd quarter and the Lakers completed the comeback.
2008-05-30 22:40:18
502.   Bob Timmermann
It's Cha Seung Baek's Padre debut!
2008-05-30 22:40:44
503.   Bob Timmermann
The Padres have used 20 different pitchers already this year.
2008-05-30 22:41:12
504.   Eric Stephen
Not that I needed a reason to hate Duke, but Gerald Henderson, Jr. goes to Duke. Stupid Worthy pass.
2008-05-30 22:41:34
505.   Bob Timmermann
For comparison purposes, the Dodgers have used 15 pitchers.
2008-05-30 22:44:04
506.   Bob Timmermann
Matt Vasgersian is reading off the names of the 37 pitchers for the 2000 Padres, which was a team record.

Matt made fun of Buddy Carlyle.

2008-05-30 23:04:32
507.   Eric Enders
What is it with these lame N.L. West announcers and reading off lists of player names? Last time we played the Rockies, their announcers spent two innings reading a list of every guy who ever played a game at shortstop for the Rockies. Which was a very long and undistinguished list.

Incidentally, Texas lost to St. John's today with their #3 starter. Augie Garrido thought that the Red Storm would be pushovers, so he saved his #1 and #2 starters for the two anticipated games against the more challenging team, Rice. Oops.

The Longhorns' ace, by the way, is the son of ex-Rockies closer Bruce Ruffin. I can't wait for the Rockies to read their all-time list of closers on the air. That's gonna be even more gruesome than the shortstops.

2008-05-30 23:09:32
508.   Jon Weisman
Um, we lost? UC Davis is really becoming the Siena of the West Coast.
2008-05-30 23:10:59
509.   Bob Timmermann
Uh oh,

From Sunken Diamond:

UC Davis 4, Stanford 2

2008-05-30 23:12:24
510.   bhsportsguy
I know I watched Game 6 of the 1987 NBA Finals, if it was on Sunday afternoon, I probably ate some KFC as was the tradition back then.

I have the 85, 87 and 88 Finals on videotape, I may have to find a VCR to play them to get into the spirit of the series.

2008-05-30 23:12:30
511.   Greg Brock
The National Spelling Bee sure is a whirlwind of emotions. So many highs and lows. And some middles.
2008-05-30 23:13:56
512.   Greg Brock
510 How are the seats? Pretty???
2008-05-30 23:13:56
513.   Bob Timmermann
Other #1s who lost included Florida State, 7-0 to Bucknell, Long Beach State 7-3 to Fresno State, and Georgia 6-3 to Lipscomb.

Bucknell calls its teams the Bison.

Lipscomb calls its team the Bisons.

2008-05-30 23:17:33
514.   Eric Stephen
510
I think I still have Game 7 of the 1988 Finals on VHS. I had a bunch of key plays marked, using the counter on my mom's old VCR (she owned 2 VCRs in her life), such as Byron Scott's dunk to open the 2nd half, Laimbeer's technical foul, both of Cooper's big 3s in the 2nd half, etc.
2008-05-30 23:23:50
515.   Eric Enders
513 Apparently it's hard to beat a team whose players are all robots made of nails.
2008-05-30 23:25:43
516.   Eric Enders
I totally forgot to watch the Spelling Bee today. Darn it.
2008-05-30 23:31:05
517.   Greg Brock
I really wish there was a "Well Roundedness Bee."

Spell a couple of words, answer a few history questions, hit a pitched baseball, do a few pushups.

Maybe the first round could be spelling, the second round could be kickball.

2008-05-30 23:33:20
518.   underdog
We win!

Oh wait, sorry, did someone say that already 4 hours ago? I just got home but followed the last few innings on my cell phone rudely while at dinner with friends. Glad to see the offense wake up for this one, figured they would eventually.

Has there been a bigger surprise on the positive side for the Dodgers this season, other than DeWitt, than Chan Ho?

Oh and just saw highlights of that triple play that happened up here tonight. That was neat, and I was glad to see the Giants still lost. Tee hee. A good night all around.

Would be nice to have two good days in a row for a change.

2008-05-30 23:34:43
519.   underdog
I won the school spelling bee in the fifth grade. Made it all the way to the city finals, where I was the second kid to go out. I've spent my life since then wondering if I peaked too early.
2008-05-30 23:37:45
520.   Greg Brock
519 We all have the stories underdog. Ask Bob about "parallel" one day.

He'll tell you about it...If he can fight through the tears.

I lost on Democracy...But I'm still protesting. Utter garbage. I spelled it correctly.

2008-05-30 23:38:29
521.   Greg Brock
I'm going out for the evening...Night, kids.
2008-05-30 23:43:16
522.   Eric Stephen
I lost a trip to the regionals in 5th grade by misspelling "niece" (I had e before i).

The top two spellers (Erin Reich & Raj Latwalla) moved on, while 3rd place Eric cried his eyes out.

I defer to the irony police, but at the time of my misspelling, due to many older brothers and sisters, I had 2 nieces at the time of my misspelling (as an 11 year old).

2008-05-30 23:45:35
523.   Reddog
Besides being wild, Kershaw's other problem is that he only throws two pitches. I wonder how quickly the Dodgers pitching staff and veteran pitchers could show him how to throw a slider, and a cutter, to go with his curve and fastball. Then he might be someone to be reckoned with.
2008-05-30 23:47:35
524.   Eric Stephen
523
Didn't Kershaw throw like 15 or so changeups in his debut?
2008-05-30 23:51:32
525.   underdog
Wow, what a bunch of spelling nerds we are. I should've known I was in sympathetic company.

I believe I went out pretty quickly and I think the word was one I'd never heard of at the time, like "mneme" or something tricky like that. I think my dad still has the Goleta Valley Sun paper's scintillating recap of the event somewhere, but it's too painful to revisit. I tried telling chicks about it at bars some years later and it didn't get me anywhere, man.

2008-05-30 23:51:54
526.   Eric Enders
I lost on a word I've never seen used in everyday English before or since... douanier.
2008-05-30 23:54:06
527.   underdog
Kershaw has a change-up, giving him three pitches theoretically. But it's clearly still a work in progress and he doesn't feel as confident in it yet, obviously. But he did throw it in his debut. More on that here, in case you missed this breakdown:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/is-clayton-kershaw-worth-the-hype/

2008-05-30 23:54:43
528.   underdog
526 - Didn't he used to pitch for the Dodgers and Mets?
2008-05-30 23:55:24
529.   Bob Timmermann
Time for more parsing:
From the LA Times:

Bowa was quick to warn that maturation isn't something that occurs overnight, that it will take time for the kind of at-bats the youngsters had in the eighth inning to occur with greater frequency.

That being said, Bowa noted that he told the players in a team meeting Thursday to stop using their ages as a crutch.

"Tampa Bay is young," Bowa said he told them. "Florida's young. Arizona's young."

2008-05-30 23:57:11
530.   Eric Enders
Alas, the definition was "French customs officer" and not "van-dyked relief pitcher."
2008-05-30 23:58:20
531.   Eric Enders
Which player has used his age as a crutch? Maybe it's time for Bowa and Torre to stop using their ages as a crutch.
2008-05-30 23:58:51
532.   Eric Enders
(the players' ages, that is)
2008-05-30 23:59:59
533.   overkill94
492 Too late Bob-o, I stood up so long that all the blood sank to my feet and I fainted. It wasn't until right now that I regained consciousness thanks to you.

On the bright side, I did get my first LA County library card today. You can blame my new girlfriend for guilting me into reading books.

2008-05-31 00:04:15
534.   Bob Timmermann
533
One of the green ones?

I work for the City, and we have these funky orange and purple ones.

I used to work for the County. But that was back in the day.

2008-05-31 00:14:15
535.   overkill94
534 Actually it is a funk orange and purple one. I don't understand how the City and County of Los Angeles can work under totally separate circuits when one is contained in the other.

Either way, A Farewell to Arms is due in three weeks.

2008-05-31 00:15:41
536.   Bob Timmermann
535
I could tell you, but you would end up on the floor weeping and begging me to stop.
2008-05-31 00:18:31
537.   popup
#523, If your two pitches are good enough, that is all you need. I saw plenty of Randy Johnson when he pitched for the Mariners, and of course Sandy. Randy Johnson had a fastball and slider and Sandy had a fastball and curve. Mariano Rivera has thrown the same pitch for ten years plus and all he does is get everybody out. I have not seen Kershaw yet, but if he has two outstanding pitches I would have him throw those two pitches and scrap the other stuff.

Stan from Tacoma

2008-05-31 01:37:49
538.   Eric Enders
Do we have an official Archivist of Stupid Larry Bowa Quotes yet? Anyway, here's another one for the collection... he tells Dylan Hernandez that he'd rather see Russell Martin hit more with two strikes, and that he hates it when Martin gets a 2-0 or 3-1 count.
2008-05-31 02:23:38
539.   Greg Brock
Bowa is a loudmouth jerk that never won anything as a manager.

Imagine Fredo's incompetence with Sonny's temperament. The perfect blend of dumb and angry.

2008-05-31 06:59:16
540.   Daniel Zappala
I won every spelling bee we had from 3rd through 8th grade, in a class of 20 - 25 students. I never got to advance to city, regional, or state finals because our private school didn't do that sort of thing. I am undefeated but untested.

I think Greg Brock, in 520 had the greatest suggestion I've seen in a while. Instead of geography and spelling bees, it would be great to have an all-subject bee.

2008-05-31 07:00:38
541.   Daniel Zappala
By the way, Greg Brock, I have to call you by your full name, "Greg Brock", because "Brock" is now associated in my mind with a character on the Pokemon television series. He's the one that blindly falls in love with every girl he meets. You don't want to be that Brock.
2008-05-31 07:59:24
542.   Bob Timmermann
NPUT
2008-05-31 08:06:15
543.   berkowit28
526 Not up on your art history. The French painter Henri Rousseau is almost always referred to as "the douanier Rousseau" (that was his day job).

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