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Prelude to Scully-Wooden
2008-06-13 14:47
by Jon Weisman

We won't hear T.J. Simers ask John Wooden or Vin Scully what his favorite curse word is, but it should still be a great night. Fox Sports Prime Ticket, 8 p.m.

* * *

Dodgers at Tigers, 4:05 p.m.

Comments (357)
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2008-06-13 14:55:49
1.   underdog
LAT'd from previous thread:
Galarraga's a righty though. Why can't DeWitt and LaRoche both play? I guess that would cause the world to cave in and all to turn to dust.

Of course, I WILL say that with Kemp done with his suspension tomorrow, that will give the team better options, too.

And I'm with you Penarol. It's a joy to watch the Euro and not feel my stomach in knots about it. I get a kick out of watching the Dutch, but am careful enough not to get too attached to them. ;-)

2008-06-13 14:57:35
2.   bhsportsguy
The anti-Sweeney lobby is loud tonight.
2008-06-13 14:57:43
3.   underdog
Any idea whether the Scully-Wooden thing will air anywhere outside of LA?
2008-06-13 14:57:49
4.   regfairfield
Because DeWitt hasn't had a day off in a month and he's been slumping hard for the last 24 games.
2008-06-13 14:58:18
5.   underdog
Poor guy, almost makes me root for him.
2008-06-13 14:58:24
6.   Eric Enders
My guess is that Wooden would say "drat" and Scully would say "tarnation."

Both of which I said, incidentally, when I saw the lineup. I guess one game's worth of Mark Sweeney is the price we pay for Kemp getting suspended.

Over/under on Delwyn Young doubles tonight at Comerica: 1.5

2008-06-13 14:58:31
7.   El Lay Dave
I agree with regfairfield in the previous thread. If DeWitt resting is a given, then Sweeney is the only choice. I wasn't expecting DeWitt to get his much-needed day off until Sunday vs. Nate Robertson.
2008-06-13 14:59:28
8.   underdog
4 That's a fair point. And again, with Kemp unavailable one more day that gives them less options. It's cool to see Pee Wee and Andy in the same line-up together for once. This really isn't a bad lineup of hitters (except for Sweeney, and maybe he'll show something tonight).
2008-06-13 15:00:03
9.   Jacob L
Everybody knows that Wooden's favorite curse word is "goodness gracious sakes alive." And I'm not even a UCLA guy.

2 Conversely, the Sweeney Marching and Chowder Society has been oddly quiet this whole year. We've got plenty of good chowder, if anyone's interested.

2008-06-13 15:00:26
10.   Eric Enders
If the Dodger game goes more than 4 hours, do Wooden and Scully get pre-empted?
2008-06-13 15:01:31
11.   Eric Enders
9 Yeah, but that's four words. He only gets one!
2008-06-13 15:01:49
12.   Alex41592
7 - Because Loney will probably get Sunday off for LaRoche.
2008-06-13 15:02:19
13.   blue22
Sweeney apparently needs to kick down the door to being DFA'd with his incompetence - making an out once a game isn't sufficient. Make it so painfully obvious that Ned has no choice but to take action.
2008-06-13 15:02:23
14.   D4P
The anti-Sweeney lobby

Is there any other kind...?

2008-06-13 15:03:10
15.   Gen3Blue
293. Gen3Blue
What I both like and hate about the current situation is that it is very clear. Several times recently in the national media and at least once from the mouth of an NL manger, the Dodgers are credited with having perhaps the best core of young talent in baseball. It is mentioned as a mixed blessing because it may take a while to "ripen". This means that three things are important.
1) how they play-- this is usually considered a function of the coaching staff.
2)How they are played--this means what players receive what playing time--and is layed at the feet of "the Manager".
3) how they are supplemented from without---this is the job of the GM.

Now this is good because on the national stage there won't be much chance for for laying blame on some of the usual suspects: inexperienced players, lack of chemistry, etc. As a matter of fact due to the expansion of new media there are only a handful of perk saturated writers who can't tell the truth without losing their "franchise"

On the other hand it could lead a few of the people responsible into desperate actions to try and obfuscate realities here.
And the reality is with Furc seriously wounded, and no contrabutions from the "suppliments", we may have to wait until next year.

2008-06-13 15:04:38
16.   Eric Enders
13 You might have it backwards there. When Ned feels he has no choice but to take action, that's when he goes out and gets a Mark Sweeney.
2008-06-13 15:04:46
17.   Bob Timmermann
Vin Scully, as a good Catholic, likely uses one curse word a lot.

It's the curse word of choice among Catholics.

But Rule 1 prohibits me from saying it or even hinting at.

2008-06-13 15:05:14
18.   Gen3Blue
15 was LATed from last post, and sort of got here do to my limited Window's skills
2008-06-13 15:05:41
19.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
No lineup less than an hour before first pitch. Colletti must be finalizing that Kemp-for-Omar Vizquel deal.
2008-06-13 15:06:17
20.   Eric Enders
Oh, there's a lineup. But then maybe that's what you meant by "no lineup."
2008-06-13 15:07:13
21.   Eric Stephen
I hope the program gets shown on regular FSN sometime this weekend so I can watch (I don't get FSN Prime Ticket).
2008-06-13 15:07:41
22.   Jacob L
17 Oh, jeez, did I commit a Rule 1 violation back in 9 , or would it only apply if Wooden himself typed the words?
2008-06-13 15:09:21
23.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
20 Where? I don't see it on, the official blog, or Tony Jackson's blog, and usually one of the three gets it up quickly.
2008-06-13 15:09:53
24.   regfairfield
23 Jon gets it emailed to him, it's in the last thread.
2008-06-13 15:10:13
25.   blue22
I have first hand information on Vin using the mother of all swear words. I got the chance to hang out with Vin's daughter one night in college, and pestered her with questions the whole time she was with us. She regaled us with a story about the time he came home early to find she had thrown the ol' high school party. Expletives ensued.
2008-06-13 15:10:56
26.   Bluebleeder87
I hope PW is in there tonight.
2008-06-13 15:11:30
27.   regfairfield
DFAing Sweeney and picking up Jacque Jones seems like something that would sort of make sense and could actually happen.
2008-06-13 15:11:45
28.   still bevens
Sweet Jesus.

Sweeney has an OPS+ of 2. Berroa is rocking a 5 but with 1/4th the ABs.

2008-06-13 15:11:50
29.   scareduck
3 - translation: anybody got a Slingbox?
2008-06-13 15:12:27
30.   scareduck
And to re-re-re-ask a question that's been asked several times without answer, WHERE ARE PEOPLE GETTING THE LINEUP FROM?
2008-06-13 15:12:48
31.   bhsportsguy
25 How you can you not know when Vin is coming home?

If this party was during the baseball season, all you had to do was listen to the radio.

2008-06-13 15:12:51
32.   ToyCannon
Thanks to Bhsportsguy I will by lucky enough to attend tonight. I wonder if anyone under 30 will be allowed in.
2008-06-13 15:13:05
33.   scareduck
23 - ah, okay, thanks for that.
2008-06-13 15:13:10
34.   Eric Enders
I don't see how it would make sense unless Jacque Jones plays shortstop. The last thing we need is more sucky outfielders for Torre to play in front of Young.
2008-06-13 15:13:20
35.   D4P
28 - translation: anybody got a slingblade?
2008-06-13 15:13:36
36.   overkill94
M. Hollimon? Who the heck is M. Hollimon? I consider it one of my geekiest qualities that I know just about every player on each major league roster (I play in some deep fantasy leagues), but I've never heard of that guy.
2008-06-13 15:13:49
37.   Gen3Blue
17 I'm interested in what that one is. But I know, we can't even hint here. But I'm curious you didn't imply two words, which I am used to hearing my Catholic and also any other Christian friens use so often.
2008-06-13 15:13:50
38.   Bob Timmermann
I thought I was bhsportsguy's guest!

Now I feel so used.

2008-06-13 15:14:34
39.   regfairfield
34 Granted, it would end in disaster, but if Jones were the fifth outfielder and second lefty bat off the bench, it would help the team. I hate carrying four outfielders.
2008-06-13 15:14:38
40.   bhsportsguy
30 Jon explained earlier this year and then the other day that the Dodger PR department sends him (along with some other blogs) the lineup when it is ready.

Since for Jon its fairly easy to post a lineup (through comments), he's probably faster than the other media guys who create a new post for it.

2008-06-13 15:14:56
41.   Bob Timmermann
Michael Hollimon
2008-06-13 15:15:24
42.   bhsportsguy
38 You are too.

I was generous with my tickets

Alas the secret gathering of DTers is now exposed.

2008-06-13 15:15:45
43.   D4P
Except that Jon wasn't the first one to talk about the lineup.
2008-06-13 15:16:08
44.   Eric Enders
I feel so left out.

I promise I won't say any more bad stuff about Ned.

2008-06-13 15:16:51
45.   Bob Timmermann
I thought I was special. Not part of a cabal.
2008-06-13 15:17:16
46.   blue22
43 - Neal Pollack is a mole from the front office???
2008-06-13 15:17:29
47.   MonkeyBlue
All I want to say it not going to be same without Russ this coming election.
2008-06-13 15:18:20
48.   blue22
47 - Yeah, I don't see Olbermann using the mini-whiteboard. :-(
2008-06-13 15:19:45
49.   El Lay Dave
Jon's comment from the last thread:

Pierre 8
Young 7
Ethier 9
Kent 4
Martin 2
Loney 3
LaRoche 5
Sweeney DH
Berroa 6

Lowe 1

Just so it's here, for convenience.

2008-06-13 15:19:47
50.   D4P
Come out to Durham this summer. I'll take you to a Bulls game, just the two of us.
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2008-06-13 15:20:47
51.   ToyCannon
Are you bringing your scorebook?
2008-06-13 15:22:19
52.   ToyCannon
Why is Sweeney still on this team?
2008-06-13 15:22:51
53.   Bob Timmermann
I will not bring a scorebook to the talk.
2008-06-13 15:23:34
54.   Gen3Blue
Looking at the line-up, one must remember Kemp isn't available, but the inclusion of Sweeney and Berroa over Dewitt and Hu is possibly dissastrous.
2008-06-13 15:23:59
55.   Eric Enders
(He has talkbooks for that.)
2008-06-13 15:24:38
56.   Bob Timmermann
Ryan Sweeney was brought off the DL by Oakland today. Just to confuse us further.
2008-06-13 15:24:48
57.   Jacob L
DT over the years:

Why is X still on this team?

Scott Erickson
Jason Grabowski
Mike Edwards
Olmedo Saenz
Mark Sweeney

Help me out.

2008-06-13 15:25:01
58.   Gen3Blue
Or is Hu gone? May he get back his swing.
2008-06-13 15:25:02
59.   blue22
54 - If Hu was in the lineup, Andy wouldn't be.
2008-06-13 15:25:13
60.   Bob Timmermann
Jason Phillips
2008-06-13 15:26:04
61.   El Lay Dave
58 in AAA.
2008-06-13 15:26:09
62.   Bob Timmermann
Going retro:

Ed Goodson
Andy Carey
Carlos Perez

2008-06-13 15:26:34
63.   underdog
54 - As mentioned in previous thread (which I hadn't remembered either), DeWitt hadn't a day off in weeks and was due for one today. Kemp being out gives even fewer options. And separate from the Undead Berroa Debate, we all love Hu's defense, but wasn't it pretty clear he needed to be sent back down to AAA?
2008-06-13 15:27:37
64.   Jacob L
62 Going ultra-modern

Angel Berroa

2008-06-13 15:27:50
65.   underdog
57 Are we not counting pitchers? Because there's probably a few, or thirty, who would fit there.
2008-06-13 15:29:16
66.   Eric Enders
63 "And separate from the Undead Berroa Debate, we all love Hu's defense, but wasn't it pretty clear he needed to be sent back down to AAA?"

Sure, but the problem is those two things aren't separate. Hu clearly needed to be sent down but just as clearly, he was a better major league option than Berroa.

2008-06-13 15:29:47
67.   El Lay Dave
The w/e series is night/day/day. Assuming Kent rests on Saturday, I'd like to see LaRoche play 2B then.
2008-06-13 15:31:12
68.   overkill94
57 Roberto Hernandez
2008-06-13 15:32:07
69.   Jacob L
68 How could I forget? Actually, pretty easily.
2008-06-13 15:32:31
70.   Eric Stephen
Tomorrow on Fox, we get the ancient Dick Stockton, Eric Karros, and toxic rumor spreader Ken Rosenthal and his fake smile.
2008-06-13 15:32:37
71.   fanerman
Carlos Perez. Those were the days.
2008-06-13 15:33:07
72.   blue22
64 - I'm more of a Luis Maza man in this category myself. I don't mind the gamble on Berroa, but I think the wrong guy was sent down in his place. Hu is a much better complement to Berroa.

Maza is a poor man's Berroa, and that is really saying something.

2008-06-13 15:33:28
73.   Bluebleeder87
57 Odalis Perez, that one year...
2008-06-13 15:33:33
74.   ToyCannon
Bart Shirley and Jim Fairy, I would love Josh to do a Baseball God writeup on them. If anyone looked like a Bart Shirley it was Bart Shirley but that was a bit before his collecting days.
2008-06-13 15:34:19
75.   Jacob L
70 Couldn't we get ancient Dick Stockton tomorrow on ABC with Tommy Heinsohn, just for old times' sake?
2008-06-13 15:35:17
76.   ToyCannon
Just a little prediction that Miggy goes crazy this weekend and we will be left wondering what could have been.
2008-06-13 15:35:58
77.   Bob Timmermann
Jim Fairey.

As bad as he was in 1968, he was a lot better than Mark Sweeney in 2008.

2008-06-13 15:36:07
78.   Alex41592
70 - Only 17% of the country gets to watch us tomorrow. Detroit, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Phoenix, Portland, and San Diego.
2008-06-13 15:36:24
79.   Bob Timmermann
Then it will be Greg Brock's turn to say "I called it!"
2008-06-13 15:36:34
80.   berkowit28
The lineup is also up at Gameday.
2008-06-13 15:36:48
81.   Jacob L
64 I mentioned this before, but recently Charlie Steiner referred to Maza as "Oscar Robles with more talent." I had absolutely no idea what to make of that.
2008-06-13 15:37:41
82.   underdog
66 Yah, I guess I'm just in the minority in thinking Hu right now isn't clearly better than Berroa. He looks totally lost at the plate and I worry about his confidence. Long term, sure, Hu all the way.


I like Dick Stockton actually.

2008-06-13 15:37:43
83.   Alex41592
76 - Detroit is probably thinking the exact same thing.
2008-06-13 15:40:19
84.   D4P
Charlie's a homer. If we had had Maza first and then Robles, Charlie would be calling Robles "Luis Maza with more talent".
2008-06-13 15:40:22
85.   underdog
76 No, no, Milton Bradley goes crazy. Miggy might just get hungry.
2008-06-13 15:40:23
86.   El Lay Dave
81 The mere fact that Robles threw right and batted left makes that statement false.
2008-06-13 15:40:28
87.   Eric Enders
78 I am surprised to discover that I am actually among the 17%.
2008-06-13 15:40:35
88.   scareduck
82 - at this very moment Hu is better defensively than Berroa, and Berroa's average is only .020 away from Hu's.

Bob, you wanna get those balloons ready again?

2008-06-13 15:40:37
89.   blue22
81 - Maza wishes he had Robles eye at the plate. Then again, I wish he did too.
2008-06-13 15:40:58
90.   Daniel Zappala
Bob, you are welcome to visit me and attend some Orem Owlz, Salt Lake Bees, and Ogden Raptors games. I'll even throw in a clean, comfortable bed, and home cooked breakfast, lunch and dinner. If you come during late June, early July, you get as many apricots as you can eat.
2008-06-13 15:41:24
91.   Eric Enders
When Luis Maza hits a single on a pitch that bounces five feet in front of the plate, then we can talk.
2008-06-13 15:41:29
92.   JoeyP
If your going to play Sweeney at DH, you dont deserve to win.
2008-06-13 15:43:03
93.   Daniel Zappala
57 F.P. Santangelo
2008-06-13 15:43:19
94.   Jon Weisman
Diamond says the tarp is on the field.
2008-06-13 15:44:28
95.   underdog
82 I just want Hu down in AAA, hitting every day and getting his confidence back. That was my main point. Berroa, I don't know... I feel like his defense has been better so far than I expected (though surely, less than Hu's), and that he can have some better at bats before all is said and done. And all may be said and done for him in a month. At the very least, I could care less about Berroa's confidence.

He's 67, he's been through a lot already!

2008-06-13 15:44:31
96.   scareduck
Now that I think about it, Berroa spent the majority of his career in the AL Central. It is entirely possible the Tigers have excellent scouting on him. Let us suppose conservatively he goes 0-12, playing in all three games. That means he could end the weekend with a .083 average.
2008-06-13 15:44:33
97.   Bob Timmermann
Isn't that what Joe Starkey said at the end of a certain Cal-Stanford game?
2008-06-13 15:45:52
98.   underdog
If there's a rainout and presumably a double-header tomorrow. Here's a question:

I assume Kemp would be suspended for the first game and available for the second?

2008-06-13 15:46:31
99.   Bob Timmermann
Wow, I forgot Jim Fairey had TWO stints with the Dodgers.
2008-06-13 15:47:49
100.   regfairfield
89 It doesn't help him too much when he can't hit the ball. His career walk rate is pretty average.
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2008-06-13 15:52:10
102.   Gen3Blue
Middle age has it's advantages!! Between trying to figure out why Berroa is playing, why Hu isn't around, the rather unintuitive system of 1-9 assigning the players positions in the line-up, why Sweeney would bat in place of anyone else, and the word for a suspected latent disability of mine(Dyslexia) to explain my trouble with the line-up, I notice I have burned a lot of the time till game-time. Of course, this would be even more useful on Fridays at home when the Dodgers don't start till 10:40 Eastern.
2008-06-13 15:52:44
103.   BlueCrew Bruin
25 I'm really trying to picture that scene with Vin, but I just can't seem to do it.
2008-06-13 15:56:05
104.   Gen3Blue
Did something happen to Tim Russert?
2008-06-13 15:56:27
105.   BlueCrew Bruin
101 Just curious, who do you consider to be some of the other class acts? I don't regularly watch much television news or political shows but Russert was one of the guys that I did see on occasion and really enjoyed. Anyone that you would put in the same category as he would be someone that I'd be interested in checking out.

Thanks in advance.

2008-06-13 15:57:32
106.   Jon Weisman
Larry Bowa interview. Entertainment value if nothing else.

2008-06-13 15:57:40
107.   underdog
Doesn't sound good for tonight.

>>Detroit weather wire: Widespread showers and thunderstorms during the evening...some storms may be severe...then numerous showers and thunderstorms through 5 am...then scattered showers and thunderstorms. Otherwise cloudy during the evening. Partly cloudy overnight. Lows 63 to 67. Southwest winds 10 to 20 mph...diminishing to 5 to 15 mph...then turning to west late. Chance of rain 80 percent.<<

2008-06-13 15:59:44
108.   Bob Timmermann
Is death "something?"
2008-06-13 16:00:40
109.   Alex41592
2008-06-13 16:00:46
110.   Gen3Blue
I am shocked about Russert, when I first heard mention I assumed it was Big Russ. He is close enough to my age to make me think.
2008-06-13 16:01:36
111.   Alex41592
Jay Bruce is leading off for the Reds tonight
2008-06-13 16:01:40
112.   nofatmike
62 Here's one that lasted four GM's:

Gio Carrara.

2008-06-13 16:02:44
113.   El Lay Dave
For those attending the Scully-Wooden event, be sure to say hello to Josh Rawitch.
2008-06-13 16:07:50
114.   underdog
Tony Jax says the rain appears to be letting up and they will try to start at :45 past. We'll see.
2008-06-13 16:11:58
116.   Bluebleeder87
I just checked the weather for " the motor city" & it's 72 & rainy, yuck!
2008-06-13 16:12:13
117.   Longhorn Bill
115 Have you ever watched their shows?
2008-06-13 16:12:30
118.   Bob Timmermann
NL DHs tonight:
Xavier Nady
Luis Gonzalez
Derrek Lee
Tony Clark
Mark Sweeney
2008-06-13 16:12:54
119.   Longhorn Bill
Thank you Jon.
2008-06-13 16:14:26
120.   Jon Weisman
I would like to remind people that even if you see a comment that you perceive as political, that does not give you the right to make your own political comment in violation of guideline #5. The same approach applies to all the rules. There are no free rides.
2008-06-13 16:17:41
121.   Marty
If they play this game I hope the Dodgers have their steel-belted radials on tonight.
2008-06-13 16:18:14
122.   Bob Timmermann
There will be two more NL DHs to be determined. The Rockies are at the White Sox and the Giants are at Oakland.
2008-06-13 16:18:16
123.   BlueCrew Bruin
120 Jon, you might want to trash my 105 as well if you think it might be a gatewey to Rule 5.
2008-06-13 16:19:13
124.   Bob Timmermann
The Marlins started out tonight:

and then ...

Sacrifice fly


2008-06-13 16:20:09
125.   Jon Weisman
123 - I don't mind people talking about their favorite broadcasters. I think that's possible without violating rule 5.

If someone says they like journalist A, and you don't like that journalist because of his political views or actions you perceive as political, enjoy your viewpoint - and keep it to yourself.

2008-06-13 16:20:38
126.   Bill Crain
Larry Bowa on his time with the Padres:

I had the sense that they were trying to develop young players and win at the same time. I told them, "You can't have both, with as many young players as we had."

2008-06-13 16:21:57
127.   Bob Timmermann
They got all the way to two outs in the bottom of the 1st in Cleveland before rain stopped play.

And Grady Sizemore has a home run in that game. That game better get played!

2008-06-13 16:22:34
128.   Kevin Lewis

Should have been a walk next

2008-06-13 16:23:27
129.   ibleedbloo
OT: How to tell it's almost the weekend: I just heard the sentence "The Dishes are done, man" and said out loud, "Don't tell Mom the Babysitters dead; why don't they make movies like that anymore?"
2008-06-13 16:24:35
130.   underdog
From Diamond L.:

The Dodgers will take on the Tigers starting at 5:10 p.m. PDT due to rain that has now stopped.

2008-06-13 16:26:40
131.   Jon Weisman
128 - CI.
2008-06-13 16:27:25
132.   DaDoughboy
Has anyone tried listening to Jaime and Pepe (even if you don't speak spanish, of course)?

Fascinating how much your can pick up from a HOF announcer even if you can't even understand the language...I suggest everyone try a full game at least once..

2008-06-13 16:27:54
133.   D4P
Is Armando any relation to the Big Cat...?
2008-06-13 16:28:19
134.   Bob Timmermann
Don't ring the CI alarm in vain! That's a felony!
2008-06-13 16:29:02
135.   dzzrtRatt
Sorry Jon. I hadn't really intended to be political. I was comparing styles and journalistic principles. But should have been mindful that both of the gentlemen mentioned do set off partisan alarms for some.

Suffice to say, I'm very sad Russert is gone.

2008-06-13 16:31:21
136.   Bob Timmermann
Nope. They really don't look much like each other. They are both Venezuelan.
2008-06-13 16:32:11
137.   Jon Weisman
134 - Turns out the Griddler has rules too! Sorry - I wasn't ringing the alarm - I was expressing what I thought was your preference.

135 - I understand.

2008-06-13 16:36:13
138.   Bob Timmermann
Colorado's DH tonight will be Ryan Spilborghs.

Which is an odd choice since he's a pretty good fielder. But Holliday and Hawpe are back and I guess Hurdle wants to see how they do out in the field.

2008-06-13 16:38:24
139.   Bob Timmermann
So whom are the Mets fans trying to heckle more tonight: Milton Bradley in right field or Josh Hamilton in center?

And "heckle" is a euphemism.

2008-06-13 16:42:32
140.   Prescott Pete
Hu took the gnome? (Sorry, I'm bored until game time.)
2008-06-13 16:46:02
141.   Gen3Blue
Looking at the Daytwa radar I predict at least a two hour dry window. It would behoove us to win it early.
2008-06-13 16:46:37
142.   El Lay Dave
126 I think perhaps the "both" refers to the young players and the young manager (Bowa himself). A fuller excerpt:
I had a young team and I was a young manager and we didn't win. I had the sense that they were trying to develop young players and win at the same time. I told them, "You can't have both, with as many young players as we had." And so, a couple weeks later, they let me go.
2008-06-13 16:46:48
143.   Eric Enders
132 I do that quite often. And no, you don't really need to speak Spanish to understand a Jarrin broadcast.

Plus, it's always cool to hear what Fernando has to say.

2008-06-13 16:47:28
144.   El Lay Dave
Hmm, maybe should have underlined only the "me".
2008-06-13 16:47:40
145.   fanerman
141 Do you have experience with meteorology?
2008-06-13 16:47:59
146.   Eric Enders
142 Even with the added context, I still read "both" as referring to young players and winning.
2008-06-13 16:49:14
147.   Gen3Blue
It's funny trying to picture someone trying to heckle Milton Bradley. There would be a detonation so fast there would be no entertainment value.
2008-06-13 16:51:24
148.   Gen3Blue
No, but I once knew a Meaty Urologist.

Actually as an amatuer I am getting better at not getting soaked on camping and fishing trips.

2008-06-13 16:52:50
149.   Eric Enders
147 You don't think he's gotten heckled every single day for the past 3-4 years?
2008-06-13 16:53:27
150.   Sammy Maudlin
Hu didn't stop the rain.
I heard Rick Monday say yesterday that Berroa was an upgrade on defense. Where does he get that inside information?
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2008-06-13 16:54:39
151.   Bob Timmermann
But the Mets will either use racial slurs or taunts about mental illness with Bradley.

Hamilton, who is in the relative safety of center field, will just be taunted about his drug addictions from the always classy Shea Stadium crowd.

2008-06-13 16:57:27
152.   Eric Enders
New Yorkers aren't the only ones.

I once attended a game at Fenway where Jose Mesa started warming up in the bullpen and the entire crowd -- I mean the entire crowd -- started chanting "Mesa beats his wife!"

2008-06-13 16:59:34
153.   MC Safety
152 Didn't Brett Myers get similar treatment somewhere?
2008-06-13 17:00:21
154.   Bob Timmermann
The Red Sox fans can do that because they're "knowledgeable."
2008-06-13 17:01:50
155.   El Lay Dave
So if this is a weather game, will Torre do something weird with the pitchers?
2008-06-13 17:03:19
156.   Bob Timmermann
I looked at the schedule wrong, the A's are in San Francisco, so there wont be a DH there. But the Nats are in Seattle. I can't wait to find out whom Manny Acta considers to be his "extra" hitter to use.
2008-06-13 17:03:44
157.   Eric Enders
At least Myers actually did beat his wife. I'm not aware of that specific allegation being made against Mesa. (Other allegations, yeah, but not that one.)
2008-06-13 17:04:43
158.   Gen3Blue
149 You do have a point there. It is hard to understand how he must actually bear a lot of heckling if the fans are smart, and then somehow go off over ridiculous things. And as Bob points out, Mets fans will always bring out the longest knives against anyone including their own. I live in an area that is a summer NY tourist play ground, and I would rather travel with Dr. Brady Barr's crew through Africa, than venture into The City, though I have a few times when the Dodgers came.

And meanwhile, my weather prediction is not looking good as there is some really lame rain delay feature still on.

2008-06-13 17:04:45
159.   Bob Timmermann
Jose Mesa was charged with rape. And acquitted.
2008-06-13 17:13:13
160.   El Lay Dave
Tonight's two DHs have OPSs of .385 and .435. NL pitchers in 2008: .363
2008-06-13 17:13:43
161.   D4P
But enough about rape. The game's on!
2008-06-13 17:14:43
162.   Eric Enders
AL pitchers in 2008: .528.
2008-06-13 17:15:20
163.   Andrew Shimmin
Thames shows regfairfield what he thinks of him.
2008-06-13 17:15:39
164.   MC Safety
Delwyn just missed it.
2008-06-13 17:15:46
165.   underdog

Pee Wee was jobbed!

2008-06-13 17:16:46
166.   underdog
That was perfect timing, too, because the Tigers' announcer was talking about Young's gaudy numbers in Las Vegas and then basically dismissed them, "Vegas in the PCL, a hitter's league." And then bam!
2008-06-13 17:17:57
167.   Gen3Blue
And here we go. actually a nice at bat by Pierre as he shows Gallaraga needs many pitches to put him away. Then the next guy nails it and is out. I would be very wary of playing the Dodgers at this point, because at some point it will tilt their way. But until then---
2008-06-13 17:21:36
168.   Jon Weisman
Schmidt update:

2008-06-13 17:24:47
169.   Sam in SC
are the tiger's broadcast guys really discussing lowe's sweat?

dang, I miss vin at times like this.

2008-06-13 17:25:15
170.   El Lay Dave
Michael Hollimon was actually drafted by the Dodgers in 32nd Round of the 2001 draft.
2008-06-13 17:25:28
171.   D4P
Tiger with his 4th birdie in his last 5 holes. Now in 5th place, 1 off the lead with 4 holes to play.
2008-06-13 17:26:05
172.   FirstMohican
After 20 or so minutes of reading through the list of Springfield Elementary Students on Wikipedia, I had forgotten how I had ended up there. When I come back to check on Dodger Thoughts again, I realize I had been reading the list of guests on Inside the Actors Studio, clicked the cast of The Simpsons, and gotten sidetracked. Happens to me every time I hit Wikipedia.
2008-06-13 17:26:29
173.   fanerman
la la, everybody's working for the weekend...
2008-06-13 17:26:51
174.   Sam in SC
168 I will be surprised if he ever pitches again this year.
2008-06-13 17:27:08
175.   Andrew Shimmin
Angel Berroa, ladies and gentlemen.
2008-06-13 17:27:51
176.   Sam in SC
he TAGGED him!!!!!!!
2008-06-13 17:28:13
177.   underdog
That was a bad call. He tagged him.
2008-06-13 17:28:14
178.   Andrew Shimmin
No. He didn't. He should have. He could have. But he didn't.
2008-06-13 17:28:30
179.   Alex41592
Utley, Howard and Burrell go back to back to back in St. Louis.
2008-06-13 17:28:46
180.   Sam in SC
X-mo shows a tag. jus' sayin'
2008-06-13 17:29:37
181.   bigcpa
LaRoche could have taken two steps and tagged Guillen to begin with.
2008-06-13 17:29:51
182.   Alex41592
The KCAL feed didn't show a tag, but FSN Detroit may have a tag shot.
2008-06-13 17:29:55
183.   Andrew Shimmin
Well, I'm not going to go to the mattresses on this, but I didn't see a tag on the replay. Could be confirmation bias, though.
2008-06-13 17:30:40
184.   underdog
These tiger announcers may not be Vin, but they aren't as bad as I feared. they're not nearly as homer-ish as the White Sox announcers.
2008-06-13 17:30:56
185.   Sam in SC
even the detroit broadcast guys admitted that there was a tag.
2008-06-13 17:31:17
186.   nofatmike
182 Was there another glove on the grassy knoll?
2008-06-13 17:31:48
187.   Sam in SC
no harm done by the bad call.


2008-06-13 17:32:18
188.   underdog
And even the Tigers announcers said that he tagged him (looking at the replay).
2008-06-13 17:32:31
189.   Sam in SC
186 nor was there a "magic baseball".


2008-06-13 17:33:01
190.   Alex41592
Lowe makes it all moot. Cabrera is now 3 for 21 lifetime vs. Lowe with a homer.
2008-06-13 17:33:14
191.   underdog
Sorry, I was completely redundant by the time I posted.

Maybe it's just as well I can only stay for another couple of innings, before heading out.

2008-06-13 17:35:29
192.   underdog
Meanwhile the Dodgers have hit a few good smashes already, with nothing to show for it due to some good defense.
2008-06-13 17:36:41
193.   El Lay Dave
187 Except six or so extra pitches by Lowe.
2008-06-13 17:38:17
194.   scareduck
184 - I find most radio announcers aren't that bad. It's usually the TV guys who are terrible, when they are terrible. The White Sox and Pirates are probably the worst radio announcers; Hawk Harrelson on TV is the worst major market announcer of any of them, and that includes the godawful Yankee homers.

Jon Miller has been growing on me, and I like the revamped Braves booth much better than a few years ago. The Cubs have a very good radio booth with Pat Hughes and Ron Santo; time is knocking the rougher edges off their TV guys, though Len Kaspar (sp?) and Bob Brenley are still not as good as Chip Caray and Steve Stone.

2008-06-13 17:38:50
195.   Sam in SC
that's gonna travel!
2008-06-13 17:39:42
196.   Alex41592
Loney with his team leading fourth triple
2008-06-13 17:39:42
197.   MC Safety
Juan Pierre might have had an inside the parker.
2008-06-13 17:39:52
198.   underdog
And you people told me Crazy Eyes can't run! Look at him motor in the Motor City!
2008-06-13 17:39:56
199.   thinkblue88

everytime loney hits a triple, i cant help but laught, he just looks so funny running!

2008-06-13 17:40:12
200.   D4P
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2008-06-13 17:40:26
201.   Sam in SC
194 the Az announcers have got to be the worst. grace is okay, but the play by play guy has a semi-orgasm every time the ball leaves the infield off a Dback bat.
2008-06-13 17:40:46
202.   MC Safety
Steiner got me again.



2008-06-13 17:41:17
203.   thinkblue88
2008-06-13 17:41:59
204.   Alex41592
LaRoche likes getting on base
2008-06-13 17:42:00
205.   D4P
Andy is the man. Not that his walks will endear him to Management, but still.
2008-06-13 17:43:56
206.   Bluebleeder87
Maybe it's just as well I can only stay for another couple of innings, before heading out.

Same here but I was eating when that call unfolded & threw some food & jumped up when the umpire clearly messed that call up!

luckily D-Lowe made it a moot point.

2008-06-13 17:44:10
207.   Sam in SC
my heart screams "dewitt", but my head says "laroche".
2008-06-13 17:45:04
208.   El Lay Dave
I did not know that Tim Russert was on the HOF Board of Directors. I knew he was a big fan.

2008-06-13 17:45:47
209.   Neal Pollack
There is nothing more to say.
2008-06-13 17:46:04
210.   D4P
Sweeney's Veteran Presence™ more than compensates for his strikeouts.
2008-06-13 17:46:30
211.   bigcpa
Pitching around LaRoche to get to Sweeney... that's just bush league.
2008-06-13 17:46:44
212.   D4P
My heart screams "kill Sweeney", but my head says "Just DFA him".
2008-06-13 17:47:03
213.   El Lay Dave
168 I don't like the words in the Furcal update in there.
2008-06-13 17:48:02
214.   D4P
How long until Torre pinch-hits for LaRoche?
2008-06-13 17:48:11
215.   nofatmike
211 LOL
2008-06-13 17:48:21
216.   Sam in SC
RIP, Tim Russert

this election will miss his hard hitting questions, regardless of of party.

2008-06-13 17:50:17
217.   underdog
Maybe Ardoin should've been the DH. Or Brad Penny.
2008-06-13 17:51:54
218.   El Lay Dave
217 Hong-Chih Kuo! Bat(flip)man.
2008-06-13 17:52:26
219.   underdog
Lowe looks pretty good so far. Galarraga's thrown 40 pitches in 2ip. Time to get a run, Dodgers, since I have to, er, run.
2008-06-13 17:52:47
220.   bigcpa
One of my favorite daydreams is Ned Colletti for the full hour on Meet the Press. Russert reads off the graphic: In December 2006, you yourself said this "Pierre gets on base an awful lot." Do you regret saying that now?
2008-06-13 17:55:19
221.   Bob Timmermann
"The key to the NL East is Florida. Florida! Florida! Florida!"
2008-06-13 17:56:04
222.   underdog
Gene Rayburn playing for the Tigers now, always wondered what happened to him post-Match Game.

Darn, another smash hit that's an out.

2008-06-13 17:56:17
223.   MJW101
The odds of PVLs Schmidt/Furcal/Nomar/Jones contributing anything useful to the rest of the 2008 Dodger season are smaller each day.
2008-06-13 17:56:46
224.   underdog
221 Did someone watch "Recount" recently?
2008-06-13 17:58:44
225.   Bob Timmermann
I actually didn't watch the movie. But it want to a greaseboard now.
2008-06-13 17:58:52
226.   El Lay Dave
219 Instead, eight pitch inning.
2008-06-13 18:01:36
227.   bigcpa
224 Rule 5!
2008-06-13 18:03:31
228.   underdog
I didn't realize Derek Lowe played soccer in high school (until now, when Tigers' announcers recounted his exploits at Dearborn H.S.) It's hard to picture him playing soccer for some reason.
2008-06-13 18:05:59
229.   El Lay Dave
17 scoreless innings for the Dodgers, 21 innings with only LaRoche's HR for scoring.
2008-06-13 18:06:52
230.   D4P
Other famous two-sport stars include:

Darin Erstad

2008-06-13 18:07:18
231.   underdog
229 Nice!

Oh wait, that's bad, right?


Okay, now this is your final chance to make me leave happy, Blue.

2008-06-13 18:08:31
232.   Gen3Blue
I have no choice but the Tiger announcers and while there are only a few obvious slights there is an oppressive midwestern thing that seems to come from the end of an empire thing in general.
2008-06-13 18:11:01
233.   MonkeyBlue
Nice hit for Mr. Single.
2008-06-13 18:16:16
234.   MC Safety
212 Hilarious.
2008-06-13 18:18:35
235.   fanerman
The kid's a natural at 3rd!
2008-06-13 18:21:06
236.   nofatmike
235 Blake who?
2008-06-13 18:22:01
237.   Gen3Blue
Just wait till our veterans are healthy and we have to insert Nomar and Jones into the line-up. Then these opposing pitchers or someone will be sorry!
2008-06-13 18:23:32
238.   D4P
Bowa must have told LaRoche to start swinging.
2008-06-13 18:26:43
239.   overkill94
D-F-A! D-F-A!
2008-06-13 18:28:23
240.   MC Safety
Professional Hitter, Mark Sweeney.
2008-06-13 18:28:26
241.   Gen3Blue
Boy, I love how the Detroit announcers are being so cagey about heaping the blame on Torre and his coaches.
Sweeney is so past.
Berroa is so something.
Their pitcher looks like a genius, but I'm not sure thats true.
2008-06-13 18:28:31
242.   bigcpa
Lyons blames Sweeney's 6-50 on scattered ab's coming off the bench cold. Mkay. I thought that was Sweeney's area of expertise.
2008-06-13 18:30:56
243.   MC Safety
Marcus Thames is the Man of the Match so far.
2008-06-13 18:31:27
244.   Gen3Blue
Without some very major manipulation, this year is going to come to roost very close to everywhere it should.
2008-06-13 18:34:40
245.   Eric Stephen
Not a big fan of the double window in screen. It makes everything too small on the TV.
2008-06-13 18:40:40
246.   Johnny Nucleo
244 2 months to evaluate the team you have. 2 months to make changes. Then 2 months to win it.
The team we have has a really hard time scoring runs.
2008-06-13 18:42:17
247.   the2pin
James Loney .289 .347 .426 .773
2008-06-13 18:43:50
248.   Johnny Nucleo
Gameday had that pitch at 54. What was that?
2008-06-13 18:45:06
249.   Indiana Jon
248 He threw Pierre a lob and payed for it with his ankle.
2008-06-13 18:46:05
250.   Eric Stephen
Looked like an ephas pitch (I have no idea how to spell that word).
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2008-06-13 18:46:56
251.   Alex41592
2008-06-13 18:46:57
252.   Ken Noe
Just got in, I see Sweeney is providing that veteran presence again.
2008-06-13 18:47:43
253.   El Lay Dave
250 eephus, I think. But why the heck would you throw one to Juan Pierre? Don't you throw that to a big guy in hopes of getting him way off-balance?
2008-06-13 18:48:24
254.   Eric Stephen
Juan Pierre's low run total are apparently solely the fault of players not driving him in.
2008-06-13 18:49:07
255.   LAT
Lyons: "I think he less likely to go given the score."

Next pitch: JP takes off.

2008-06-13 18:49:28
256.   El Lay Dave
254 was that Lyons?
2008-06-13 18:50:06
257.   Zak
254 He's a veteran. He doesn't need to get on base to score runs.
2008-06-13 18:51:28
258.   Eric Stephen
Impemba and Rod Allen (I think) on FSN Detroit.
2008-06-13 18:51:42
259.   Gen3Blue
Who is sitting in with the Detroit announcers--and why do I feel doomed.
2008-06-13 18:53:00
260.   Gen3Blue
Who got played, and how often?
I ask the jury.
2008-06-13 18:53:56
261.   El Lay Dave
I do not approve of trying to steal third with two outs, particularly with a (purported) RBI man at the plate.
2008-06-13 18:54:50
262.   Zak
We don't have RBI men, we have LOB men.
2008-06-13 18:56:31
263.   Zak
The good news is by the trade deadline, Lowe's value should be good if he can keep this up.

I kinda wish the D'backs would pull away so we can stop thinking of the Dodgers as contenders. It hurts to hope every night and then see this. I keep waiting for them to consistently hit better, but other than one game here or there, it's misery.

2008-06-13 18:58:15
264.   El Lay Dave
263 He's locking in that Type-A FA status so Logan White can have a couple more draft picks.

I wonder what Jeff Kent thinks of JP stealing third there.

2008-06-13 18:58:35
265.   El Lay Dave
And what Jeff Kent would think if Matt Kemp did it.
2008-06-13 18:59:35
266.   Eric Stephen
Nothing is going right.
2008-06-13 19:00:07
267.   Alex41592
That was some wicked spin, but in a game where you don't score runs. Really, what is one more?
2008-06-13 19:01:35
268.   Gen3Blue
Jesus, the Detroit announcer was so excited I was worried about a heart attack and it barely reached the warning track. The next batter had the savvy to hit it to center.

Good--that pick-off eases the sting.

2008-06-13 19:06:17
269.   Gen3Blue
Boy, that Detroit player looked stupider than we have managed the whole night, and that is saying something.
Two things. A) when you score 0 runs, your defense doesn't matter a bit
B) things eventually turn around.
2008-06-13 19:06:43
270.   das411
!!!!! A question needs to be asked that will require Timmermannian research skills to answer...

who was the last pitcher before Kyle Kendrick tonight to get hits off of two different pitchers in the same inning?

2008-06-13 19:07:30
271.   Eric Stephen
Nice game by Jeff Bennett, I mean Armando Galarraga.
2008-06-13 19:11:12
272.   LAT
This is a nice quality product Ned has put together.
2008-06-13 19:11:45
273.   El Lay Dave
Perhaps the cure for this dizzying downward spiral the Dodgers' batter are in is tomorrow's starter Eddie Bonine.
2008-06-13 19:12:39
274.   Eric Stephen
Braden Looper last August 6, against David Wells and Mike Thompson of the Padres in the 5th inning.

2008-06-13 19:14:05
275.   Eric Stephen
Incidentally, that was Wells' final start as a Padre.
2008-06-13 19:14:24
276.   LAT
According to my Time Warner guide, Channel 9 is supposed to be showing "Teacher Sex Scandal Part 2." That has to be better then this sewage!
2008-06-13 19:16:49
277.   LAT
273. Perhaps the cure for this dizzying downward spiral Eddie Bonine is in, is facing the Dodgers.
2008-06-13 19:18:10
278.   Eric Stephen
I think the Dodgers could use a good sex scandal to spruce things up in the clubhouse. The Carolyn Hughes / Derek Lowe tryst in 2006 led to a playoff appearance!

I'm thinking Lindsay Soto and Danny Ardoin.

2008-06-13 19:20:11
279.   nofatmike
278 That's was not in 2006 but 2005, when the Dodgers went 71-91 and McCourt fired DePo.
2008-06-13 19:20:44
280.   das411
Aw then it's not nearly as cool as it sounds like it should be, oh well, thanks Eric Stephen (even if you did self-link to yourself)!
2008-06-13 19:25:27
281.   dianagramr
Longtime NFL and golf announcer Charlie Jones dies at 77 ...
2008-06-13 19:26:26
282.   D4P
Yet another 1 hit game for Pierre, where the lone single no doubt sticks in Management's mind more than the 3 outs.
2008-06-13 19:30:49
283.   El Lay Dave
282 That is one-third of tonight's offense.
2008-06-13 19:31:02
284.   Marty
Bad day for broadcasters.
2008-06-13 19:32:09
285.   dianagramr

Bad WEEK for broadcasters ... :-(

2008-06-13 19:32:29
286.   El Lay Dave
Wade vs. the meatiest part of this order (esp. Miggy). OK kid, let's see what you got.
2008-06-13 19:32:54
287.   Eric Stephen
I always love the half-hearted jog from the bullpen during a non-fracas.
2008-06-13 19:33:15
288.   fanerman
A good old-fashioned everybody-goes-out-for-a-pleasant-walk-on-the-field brawl?
2008-06-13 19:33:16
289.   D4P
Exactly. The man makes a significant contribution, and is doing his part to get the offense kick-started and the table set.
2008-06-13 19:33:48
290.   Andrew Shimmin
This just goes to show how immature Matt Kemp is. Somehow.
2008-06-13 19:34:26
291.   Eric Stephen
Carlos Guillen is 32, but looks like an old man. Even more so than Snipes Sr. at SS.
2008-06-13 19:34:57
292.   MonkeyBlue
Are the Dodgers the only team who has gone through stretches of not scoring 20 consecutive innings or more twice?
2008-06-13 19:35:49
293.   Eric Stephen
I'm guessing no.
2008-06-13 19:36:12
294.   LAT
As for the bullpen clearing out, I might think twice when I saw Broxton comming at me.
2008-06-13 19:37:25
295.   Marty
Dodgers clinging to the 5-0 deficit.
2008-06-13 19:38:34
296.   LAT
If you're a Dodger fan, the best part of this game has been the rain delay.
2008-06-13 19:39:01
297.   sweepstakes
Tiger announcers we're rooting for Ordonez to "pay back" against Wade. Idiots.
2008-06-13 19:39:19
298.   sweepstakes
I meant were
2008-06-13 19:39:24
299.   El Lay Dave
The Dodgers will score a futile run in the ninth after Pee Wee leads off with his inevitable double. Probably via a Jeff Kent ground out.
2008-06-13 19:41:19
300.   D4P
As for the bullpen clearing out, I might think twice when I saw Broxton comming at me

I would only need to think once, and my thought would be "I hope I'm faster than an Ox".

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2008-06-13 19:43:43
301.   D4P
Surely the veteran will come through in a situation like this.
2008-06-13 19:44:11
302.   Marty
Tiger's one off the lead. Should be some fun this weekend.
2008-06-13 19:45:46
303.   fanerman
Veterans don't need to come through to win ball games.
2008-06-13 19:46:46
304.   El Lay Dave
289 Don't forget the stolen base!
2008-06-13 19:52:51
305.   berkowit28
Vin is on Sportstable on FSN PT now
2008-06-13 19:54:11
306.   LAT
This team is bringing new mwaning to the Dodgers "Cure" campaign. 28 other teams are disappointed they are not playing the Dodgers.
2008-06-13 19:55:24
307.   LAT
D'Backs have Conner Jackson in LF. Is that a new thing?
2008-06-13 19:55:34
308.   LAT
D'Backs have Conner Jackson in LF. Is that a new thing?
2008-06-13 19:56:57
309.   Brent Knapp
278 . That's funny. I was thinking lindsay soto and ME!
2008-06-13 20:00:57
310.   El Lay Dave
307 Four career games there, but one was Wednesday.
2008-06-13 20:02:29
311.   scooplew
Last night, I was hoping that the Lakers would take my mind of the Dodgers. Tonight, I was hoping the Dodgers would take my mind off the Lakers. On Sunday night, I will be hoping . . . Oh, never mind.
At least our RISP isn't too bad. We almost never have RISP.
2008-06-13 20:04:15
312.   Andrew Shimmin
CSPAN mics rooms better than this.
2008-06-13 20:08:37
313.   scooplew
The Phillies scored 17 runs through the first 7 innings tonight vs. the Cardinals. We have scored 17 runs in our last 56 innings. I am beginning to think that I may not be collecting on the bet I made in Vegas a few months ago on the Dodgers winning the pennant.
2008-06-13 20:09:28
314.   Andrew Shimmin
Something Vin and I have in common: we're not Dodger fans.
2008-06-13 20:10:44
315.   LAT
Vin is a gem up there. He is looking out for Coach without looking like he's looking out for Coach.
2008-06-13 20:10:54
316.   Eric Stephen
Scoreless droughts this season:

Toronto, May 19-22 - 31 innings
Kansas City, April 10-12 - 26 innings
Detroit, April 11-14 - 24 innings
Seattle, May 6-9 - 24 innings
Dodgers, June 11-present - 23 innings
Angels, May 9-11 - 22 innings
Washington, June 1-5 - 22 innings
Oakland, May 13-15 - 19 innings

Those are all the teams that have been shutout twice in a row. There may be some longer streaks as bookends to a single shutout.

2008-06-13 20:14:47
317.   Andrew Shimmin
I hope the production crew is earning class credit for their work tonight. This has to be some kind of an ROP deal.
2008-06-13 20:16:51
318.   LeeLacy
These are the times that try men's souls.

Thomas Paine would certainly know how to relate to the current plight of L.A. sports fans.

2008-06-13 20:18:56
319.   LAT
Wooden gets a good shot in on TJ: "When are you going to start writing?"
2008-06-13 20:21:37
320.   Jon Weisman
They're fixing Wooden's mike now.
2008-06-13 20:22:43
321.   tjshere
How in the heck did Simers land this gig??
2008-06-13 20:23:02
322.   El Lay Dave
319 Did TJ respond, "Goodness gracious, sakes alive"?
2008-06-13 20:23:36
323.   scooplew
Historic streak broken! This is the first game that the Dodgers have ever lost in Detroit. They went 3-0 in 2003.
2008-06-13 20:25:00
324.   LAT
Bill Walton and Rex Hudler are seperated at birth.
2008-06-13 20:26:41
325.   berkowit28
He made it happen. It was his idea.
2008-06-13 20:27:06
326.   Eric Stephen
I hope this is replayed generously on the FSN family of networks over the next few days.
2008-06-13 20:28:06
327.   Andrew Shimmin
Oops. The prop department gets a five point deduction for not realizing that a black sock wouldn't play. No pizza party for them, tonight.
2008-06-13 20:29:27
328.   LAT
At 97 Coach is sharper than I am at nearly half his age.
2008-06-13 20:30:34
329.   Eric Stephen
For those unable to see the Scully-Wooden event, here is a cool video of Vin talking about Wooden in March.

2008-06-13 20:35:49
330.   das411
And a one-two-three inning for AAR0N MILES for the Cards in the top of the ninth!
2008-06-13 20:48:32
331.   MonkeyBlue
316 Thanks for the stats, Eric Stephen.
2008-06-13 20:50:09
332.   Andrew Shimmin
That's Jimmy Smits doing the VO, right? That's a little weird.
2008-06-13 20:51:19
333.   tjshere
Speaking of weird, that pic of Vin calling the game with a smoke between his fingers is almost unbelievable.
2008-06-13 20:52:47
334.   Andrew Shimmin
It's too bad Simers isn't funnier.
2008-06-13 20:53:18
335.   Andrew Shimmin
He tries so hard. It's just a shame.
2008-06-13 21:00:13
336.   fanerman
Vin smokes?
2008-06-13 21:03:09
337.   Andrew Shimmin
Not any more, I'll bet.
2008-06-13 21:04:52
338.   Eric Enders
Well, as long as he wears a batting helmet while doing it.
2008-06-13 21:07:12
339.   tjshere
Yeah, I'm sure he probably quit a long time ago. It was an old photo. But just seeing him with the cigarette in his hand was about as incongruous as hearing him swear would be.
2008-06-13 21:08:24
340.   tjshere
Vin indicating he wants to come back again next year. Wooo Hooo!
2008-06-13 21:33:42
341.   El Lay Dave
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2008-06-13 21:46:40
342.   underdog
Darn, sorry I missed the Vin-Wooden broadcast. Hope they show it on general FSN at some point.

Not sorry I missed the last few innings of the Dodgers game. What the heck happened - a brawl? I can't even bear the thought of watching highlights. I've seen slumps like this before, which is the only thing that -- if it doesn't really give me much hope, at least makes me shrug my shoulders, knowing they'll break out of it eventually. But right now, pretty much everyone is doing their share of un-hitting.

Speaking of, Diamond Leung invites people to post their questions for him to ask the team/staff about their slump and so on, so feel free. I couldn't come up with much that was useful but tried.

2008-06-13 21:49:20
343.   underdog
Meanwhile the DBacks won in extras 1-0 over the Royals, playing in Arizona. Feh.

But at least the Giants are about to lose, it appears. Be nice to not even have to care what the Giants are doing.

2008-06-13 21:52:07
344.   underdog
Oh, and the Mets, desperate for outfield depth, acquired Trot Nixon from Arizona for a player TBN or cash. Nixon had been playing for AAA Tucson.

This is their equivalent of the Berroa acquisition, basically. Maybe it'll pay off better for 'em though.

2008-06-13 21:54:20
345.   Eric Enders
Nixon at least has the advantage of once having been good. Berroa's OPS+ even in his ROY year was 101.
2008-06-13 21:56:43
346.   underdog
I almost typed "But Nixon never won ROY!" but then thought better of it. I think I was laughing too hard. I actually used to like Nixon, he's hard nosed and plays well sometimes so he could come back and be decent, though he's not really all.. that.
2008-06-13 21:57:48
347.   Doctor
Start firing people, seriously.
2008-06-13 22:17:45
348.   Bob Timmermann
And a great team was had by me. Much thanks to bhsportsguy for the ticket. I truly enjoyed it and I can only hope that I can live half as productive life as Coach Wooden.
2008-06-13 22:21:26
349.   Bob Timmermann
I think I will stop at a seafood restaurant because I hear that they fry soles in thyme.
2008-06-13 22:23:54
350.   Bob Timmermann
I think I will stop at a seafood restaurant because I hear that they fry soles in thyme.
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2008-06-13 22:24:14
351.   Lexinthedena
Just got home from the Nokia Theatre. What an inspirational night. Scully and Wooden are impossible to overstate. Simers' jerkiness outweighd his funniness, but both Vin and Wooden made it all OK. Wooden was also quite funny. My buddy with whom I attended was actually quite offended when Simers was so calous in speaking about the passing of Mrs. Wooden. All in all though it was very memorable, and gave me much motivation to succeed as a father and a man.
2008-06-13 22:30:58
352.   jasonungar07
Gosh for 3 million more dollars were you:

-really thinking something would be different under Torre as oppossed to Grady

-buying torre to deflect the fact that things most likely, barring best case sceniors for alot of people (most teams can say that), were not gonna be any different

I really wonder how McCourt views how his money is spent. I mean alot of his real money is being spent on really poor results, or if he dosen't sweat the millions because frankly it dosen't really matter what the results are. He seems competitve and some of you have met him, to me it seems like he would be really pissed by now. Knowing I paid Schmidt 26 million so far to do nothing would be enough. Let alone everything else.

2008-06-13 22:55:08
353.   68elcamino427
Let alone everything else



Yikes, not very lucky with the results here.

2008-06-13 23:02:19
354.   LAT
I'm not a Simmers hater. I actually like his schtick. With regard to his calousness, I'm pretty sure all of it was scripted so I assume Coach was on board. I also get the sense he and Coach are good friends. I was surprised that they didn't push the fund raising harder. They should have had a crawler or something asking people to give.

My favorite line was: "The most valuable thing a father can give his children is to love their mother." That is especially true if the children are daughters. If you treat your wife with respect and love they will (hopefully) demand and receive the same from the men in their lives. Sadly, the reverse is also true.

2008-06-13 23:08:56
355.   Lexinthedena
354 That was my favorite part as well. I came home and told my daughters mother that quote, and she started to cry.

I don't hate Simers, but I feel that he imposed way to much of his shtick. I was there to hear Vinny and Wooden speak. Either way, it was a great night.

2008-06-13 23:10:02
356.   bhsportsguy
354 I thought the line about Coach's wife being deceased for 30 years was a bit much, he could have asked about the letters a different way.

A fine time with Bob T and ToyCannon and his lovely bride. If anyone's ears were burning, it was Bob talking about you.

For those who plan to attend any concerts at the Nokia, the seats upstairs are not bad, though they need to figure out their escalator plan.

Also, if you buy parking ahead of time at theater, you can save some money.

2008-06-13 23:11:28
357.   Bob Hendley
Checking in late. What misery. The problem with watching archive is that you can see the highlights to the right and can more or less figure it out from there. About the only good thing that I could see from the game is that Kuo didn't mop up. Looking forward, actually, to the DT dissection of Penny tomorrow now that the numbers have been crunched and to the Minatour getting his first win on Sunday. I am expecting, however, Colletti to pull the trigger soon.
2008-06-13 23:14:46
358.   bhsportsguy
I thought I would hear more stories that I had heard before.

Things overheard in the hallway:
1. Wooden is sharper at 97 than I will ever be.
2. Scully can be funny and still use a just a few words.
3. Simers is ... well no one said anything about Simers.

2008-06-13 23:30:42
359.   Jon Weisman

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