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Tiger's Tale Grows More Fabled
2008-06-18 10:08
by Jon Weisman

It's not that I can't be impressed when an athlete plays through major injuries in pursuit of a title. I'm still in awe of Jack Youngblood playing on a broken fibula in the 1980 Super Bowl for the Rams. And of course, Kirk Gibson speaks for himself.

And even though Tuesday's game was a debacle, Kobe Bryant certainly showed he could play through an injury for months at a time.

Now, we find that Tiger Woods won the U.S. Open with injuries much worse than we realized. He has a torn anterior cruciate ligament and a double stress fracture of the left tibia.

Woods will sit out the remainder of the 2008 season, without regret as far as I can tell. And I tip my cap to him - again.

Nevertheless, I remain convinced that you can perform under such duress for only so long — and in most cases, you need to be a superstar to make it worthwhile. We're not in the championship round. Injured Dodgers still need to get well.

Update: From 2004, here's's Top 10 Playing With Pain Moments.

Comments (114)
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2008-06-18 10:20:35
1.   Jacob L
I won't repost my LAT bit at the bottom of the last thread, because Jon has basically said the same thing.

Perhaps the Dodgers can use this constructively by creating a new litmus test for injured players. If you're not going to win the US Open, you sit.

2008-06-18 10:20:48
2.   silverwidow
Out of options 2009 (new entrants):


I'm pretty sure that's it.

2008-06-18 10:22:02
3.   bigcpa
Good read regarding the M's GM search:

Didn't know Bavasi had a saber-guy on staff. I get the impression they'll go the Josh Byrnes route. The winter meetings are going to start looking like a 15 year HS reunion. Ned and Gillick are the chaperones.

2008-06-18 10:22:43
4.   regfairfield
Add Repko to that list.
2008-06-18 10:30:08
5.   bigcpa
HR #13 for JD Drew
2008-06-18 10:31:53
6.   Zak
Also, there's a huge difference between playing an individual sport vs playing a team sport. If you're injured and on a team, you better be damn sure that your injury does not hurt the team. In hindsight, clearly the Dodgers would have been better off if Penny had not pitched through his injuries.
2008-06-18 10:32:14
7.   underdog
Yes, let's not try to be a "gamer" and tough it out through injuries, guys. I'm looking at you, Penny!


I realized what last night's Lakers debacle reminded me of. It gave me flashbacks, as a Broncos fan, to their super bowl blowout losses, utter embarrassment on a huge national stage, especially the lopsided loss to the Niners. Living here in San Francisco when that happened was great fun, let me tell ya. So that was clearly worse, but it was still the same kind of sick feeling of both disappointment (if not hugely so, given expectations) and crushing embarrassment. I will probably never experience anything worse than that super bowl (and having them win a couple some years after that sure made up for it all a bit), but this one won't go down easy, either.

2008-06-18 10:33:25
8.   underdog
I should've added "never experience anything worse in sports than..." Of course, worse things in real life have happened and will happen. :-/
2008-06-18 10:35:29
9.   JoeyP
Drew's been on a rampage since Regairfield stated he'd been terrible in Boston ;)
2008-06-18 10:37:21
10.   kinbote
Speaking of great sports stories, I have a confession:

I grew up in Los Angeles and used to make fun of the Fresno St. "Red Wave" that descended on Westwood acting like yahoos.

I now live in the Central Valley and still make fun of Fresno St. athletics.

Currently, I am rooting hard for this team in the CWS. It's already a [locally] legendary story, but if they can somehow pull it off . . . it might be one of the most unlikely feats in college baseball history.

2008-06-18 10:39:24
11.   JoeyP
3--That is a good article. Boles, Evans, and Bavasi all used to work for the Dodgers. They got fired here, and again fired there (although it appears only Bavasi has been let go with the Ms.).
2008-06-18 10:40:09
12.   LogikReader
I also know what you're thinking... yes, if the Dodgers were smart enough to not let him opt out, we'd be working on our 3rd Division Title in a row.

it's true... Drew stays = no pierre = no jones = more money to sign santana and/or arod

aw, Ned :(

2008-06-18 10:40:32
13.   Kevin Lewis
From last thread:

*405. fanerman
404 Uh-oh. Sounds like we have one of those ultra-competitive parents who tries to live through their kids by making them play mucho sports...


The good news is that my dad coached me all the way to high school, and he was the most patient and understanding coach ever. I never saw him yell at a player, and he always had time to play catch or practice pitching with me. That is what I am aiming for in the future.

2008-06-18 10:46:27
14.   Zak
12 It was not the Dodgers' decision to let him opt out. It was in his contract and he exercised his right. If he didn't have that in his contract, maybe we would never have been able to sign him in the first place. So, the whole Drew stays = no pierre = no jones = more money to sign santana and/or arod argument in fallacious, or at least in jest, I hope.
2008-06-18 10:47:35
15.   MonkeyBlue
Martin is still last in the All star voting. Very disappointed with the Fans so far.
2008-06-18 10:47:35
16.   GMac In The 909
0 It's just a flesh wound.
2008-06-18 10:49:05
17.   JoeyP
I think what 12 is referring to is that Ned didnt want to re-up Drew at the deal he received from Boston after he opted out.

This was covered a couple days ago in a thread. No need to rehash.

2008-06-18 10:49:52
18.   LogikReader

But... even after an opt out, doesn't the incumbent team have a chance to resign or extend his contract? Boston paid 70 / 5... hmm wait a minute... 70/5? Thats more than JP gets per year. Would it have been worth it?

2008-06-18 10:50:11
19.   GMac In The 909
15 Technically, he's not last since there are 16 NL teams. So Martin is ahead of 11 other catchers!
2008-06-18 10:50:53
20.   LoneStar7
0 I just hope playing through the injury doesn't affect him long term now, but wow what a gutsy win that was. He's simply the best, and I hope he makes a full recovery from this.
2008-06-18 10:52:05
21.   bigcpa
Pursuant to the discussion yesterday of early burnout, apparently Sexson is getting cut this week. Quite a stunning dropoff and not a guy anyone can accuse of getting fat.

.263/.369/.541 39 HR age 30
.264/.338/.504 34 HR age 31
.205/.295/.399 21 HR age 32
.219/.295/.383   9 HR age 33

2008-06-18 10:53:05
22.   fanerman
21 Those numbers look vaguely familiar.
2008-06-18 10:53:58
23.   trojanmansaki
This might be sort of off line and somewhat rehashing the past, but Ned just needs to go.
2008-06-18 10:54:18
24.   Zak
18 I will concede that I would rather have Drew at 70/5 than Pierre at 45/5.
2008-06-18 10:54:54
25.   underdog
A firsthand account of Troy from WV's unfortunate behavior in Cincy yesterday, from a poster on the forums:

>>Yep - I witnessed the entire UGLY incident first hand. Seems Troy got there right about the same time as I did and had his first beer in hand at around 5:15 p.m. Who knows how many he had between then and the seventh inning when this all went down. He had on his full "Beimel" gear and the same crazy Elvis sideburns as his YouTube video.

Shortly after Joey B. came in and slammed the door on the local Redlegs, Troy took off his jersey and began holding it up above his head to antagonize the local fans. That was slightly amusing, but then he did a GREAT dishonour to those of us Blue fans who were there ONLY to cheer on the boys from L.A. by proceeding to double-barrel (both hands raised) flip off his entire section.

This was greeted with substantial boos, including my entire row, which was all L.A. fans. A Reds fan in his section attempted to get him to stop (after all, there were a lot of kids there at the game and in that section for Ken Griffey, Jr. night) by trying to hold his arms down, but Troy wasn't having any of that and proceeded to push this guy, who was substantially older and probably 100 pounds lighter down the steps of the aisle.

At this point, Cincinnati's finest got involved and Troy did not go quietly, fighting three or four of them all the way up the stairs. The fans were chanting, "TAZE HIM, TAZE HIM" and he's pretty lucky the cops didn't.

I have to agree with dw - this guy is a REAL TOOL. I certainly hope his admittance tomorrow is denied and they put him on the first chicken bus back to West Virginia. <<

Sounds like he needs to sober up, and maybe a night in a horrible local correctional facility will do the trick.

2008-06-18 10:58:04
26.   JoeyP
21---Sexson has a huge strike zone with being such a tall hitter. It isnt a shock he's dropped off with age. The older they get, the more difficult it is to cover such a large area.
2008-06-18 11:00:21
27.   Linkmeister
underdog, I wrote that I couldn't remember a more complete blowout in any league's championship game, but now you've reminded me of a couple of Super Bowls. Not just the Broncos (although that Doug Williams performance for the Redskins before halftime in 1988 does come to mind), but a couple of other awful games as well.
2008-06-18 11:00:50
28.   Zak
25 Guys like that need a little scare now and then. Prosecute him to the fullest extent, make him get a lawyer, pay fines and put him on probation. Idiots like these enventually endanger themselves and/or others.
2008-06-18 11:02:56
29.   LogikReader

Me too, however JD Drew getting 70/5 is still overpaid. Hanley Ramirez is one of the top 5 players in all of MLB, and the Marlins extended him for 70 mil over 6 years, pre-arb.

So if JD Drew gets more than Hanley, thats a little out of whack.

2008-06-18 11:03:47
30.   cargill06
25 don't taze me bro
2008-06-18 11:06:11
31.   Zak
29 I think the key word here is pre-arb. I would say that more than 75% of the free agent signings in the past few seasons are overpaid compared to some of the pre arb signings.

By the way, Yahoo Sports has selected an all overpaid, all underpaid team, and four Dodgers made it to the overpaid team.

2008-06-18 11:06:13
32.   underdog
27 Oh yeah. And at least the Lakers were playing in a series, and won a couple of games (and could've won 3 if they hadn't choked). A single game event in which you have only one chance and get blown out is hard to top (or bottom). And yeah, it wasn't just the Broncos suffering blow outs in the SB, but those are of course the ones I remember.
2008-06-18 11:08:45
33.   underdog
31 Yah, I pointed to that in 420 of the last thread. Some people thought chastising the whole Angels outfield, which includes Vlad, is a bit much, but as a whole that unit is overpaid, for sure. But I'm sure they don't regret signing Vlad. As Reg pointed out, the Yanks surely don't regret the Jeter contract even now. The Dodgers surely regret most of theirs though. Would've been nice to see Saito or Bills make the underpaid list.
2008-06-18 11:08:48
34.   bigcpa
26 Frank Thomas is 6'5". Thome is 6'4". I don't think 3 inches makes you burn out 5 years sooner.

I went back to the USS Mariner posts when Sexson was signed. They were mostly disgusted by the $$ & length of the deal. I forgot he only had 90 ab in 2004 after his shoulder injury. Consensus was his power would fade. So those people were wrong in year 1 and 2 and right in year 3 and 4.

So given a do-over, the optimal move would have been to sign this 30 year old power hitting FA coming off a down year to a 2-year contract. If only Ned could have thought of this on Jones.

2008-06-18 11:09:25
35.   LoneStar7
I'm sure this has been mentioned on here a bunch, but has anyone seen the reilly piece about ethan martin's team, and the pitcher beaning the ump..

pretty disturbing if thats real, which is certainly appears to be

and Ethan's brother cody was on the mound, red flag?

2008-06-18 11:09:40
36.   dianagramr
Speaking of injuries

"This is how important leadoff hitter Rafael Furcal is to the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Furcal is tied for the team lead in runs scored -- even though he has not played since May 5 because of a bulging disk in his back."

2008-06-18 11:11:21
37.   Ken Noe
Interesting stats of the day:

Payroll of Dodgers: $118.6 million
Payroll of healthy Dodgers: $34.2 million
Payroll of injured/departed Dodgers: $84.4 million

2008-06-18 11:13:59
38.   Kevin Lewis

I thought Troy had passed from cute story to possible stalker when he sent the photo to Ethier.

I imagine an apology video will be posted soon.


Red flag? I did a lot of stupid things in high school, and now I am a very different person behavior wise. Plus, the Ump got hit with the slowest curve I have ever seen.

2008-06-18 11:14:10
39.   underdog
35 - Poor Ethan's had to address that countless times during and since the draft. I believe he addressed it pretty well. Maybe someone can link to that?
2008-06-18 11:14:47
40.   regfairfield
I'm almost entirely sure Troy from WV is old freind BlueTahoe.
2008-06-18 11:16:07
41.   Jon Weisman
35 - Based on what I've read, I don't know how you hold this against Ethan. In any case, I seriously doubt the principals involved will repeat this kind of stupidity. I'd say that regardless of their Dodger connection.
2008-06-18 11:17:37
42.   Kevin Lewis
I take that back. It was a very "slow" fastball

2008-06-18 11:19:42
43.   JoeyP
Frank Thomas is 6'5". Thome is 6'4". I don't think 3 inches makes you burn out 5 years sooner

I think 3 inches is significant.

And Thomas is a hall of famer.
Thome may not be, but both are much better than Richie Sexson.

I dont think its an apples to apples comparison.

2008-06-18 11:25:56
44.   Longhorn Bill
Yellow alert for J.D. Drew?
2008-06-18 11:26:17
45.   LoneStar7
41 42 yea I wasn't jumping ship on this guy over something like that, and I'm sure I missed the big discussion on this earlier, but I mean it didn't really strike me as a concern, just was wondering on others insight

but, even though he didn't throw the pitch, his own flesh and blood did, thats why I was asking if it raised any eye brows..

2008-06-18 11:27:24
46.   dagwich
The "lead" article of today's is written by a person who occasionally posts here at DT:

All I can say is: Hmmm, interesting. It's a world about which I know nothing, so I found it interesting. I recently finished Theroux's book "Blinding Light" which has some similar themes as the article. Maybe SFW (content-wise), depending on where you work!

2008-06-18 11:29:17
47.   Eric Enders
35 Holding someone accountable for the actions of his brother probably isn't the greatest idea in the world. Especially when there is significant and legitimate disagreement as to whether the brother did anything wrong.

By the way, shouldn't Pedro Martinez's five-inning perfect game in the playoffs be one of the Top 10 Playing With Pain moments?

2008-06-18 11:31:16
48.   Bluebleeder87
25 they will keep him for 12 to 24 hours untill he sobers up, he's a good guy that just got to excited, that's all.

You live you learn...

2008-06-18 11:31:50
49.   Eric Enders
47 Actually, it appears my memory is shot. It was six innings and he did issue walks.
2008-06-18 11:33:24
50.   ToyCannon
You might have a point about Sexson but is it based on your subjective view, or have you run some numbers for guys 6'5 and up, and do they show that unless they are HOF caliber players, they tend to fade quickly after 30?
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2008-06-18 11:34:18
51.   ToyCannon
Yesterday you were saying that A Jones had to much mileage on him since he was playing since he was 19, and I think Eric Enders refuted that fairly quickly.
2008-06-18 11:36:43
52.   fanerman
50 Checking OPS+ for old and tall guys on BR is easy enough, if you're a subscriber.

Winfield is 6'6" and OPS+ed 137 at the age of 40.

2008-06-18 11:40:23
53.   Eric Enders
Does this theory apply to old, tall pitchers, too? They have more mechanical stuff going on than hitters do. Is that why Don Drysdale flamed out early? Then again, Randy Johnson was good when he was real old. Derek Lowe's still doing OK.
2008-06-18 11:41:05
54.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
47 I was at that game. Snuck into Fenway Park to see it.
2008-06-18 11:41:27
55.   ToyCannon
Sure, but I work these days. Winfield is a HOF so that would not work for a Sexson comparison.
I agree with Joey that you can't use a HOF type player as your comparison but I don't think we will find very many comps for a player like Sexson. Dave Kingman comes to mind.
2008-06-18 11:42:21
56.   El Lay Dave
34 So given a do-over, the optimal move would have been to sign this 30 year old power hitting FA [Sexson] coming off a down year to a 2-year contract. If only Ned could have thought of this on Jones.

? Isn't that exactly what Ned did? Or are you arguing for only one-year for 31-year old Jones?

2008-06-18 11:43:06
57.   bigcpa
JD Drew in June: .439/.582/1.105

25-57 9 HR, 7 2b, 2 3b, 14bb

Berkman's May line of .471/.553/.856 is in jeopardy.

2008-06-18 11:45:06
58.   bigcpa
56 I was being sarcastic. Just example #500 of hindsight being 20/20 even among the upper-crust of intellectual fans here and at USS Mariner.
2008-06-18 11:45:42
59.   ToyCannon
As hitters. I think Joey's theory is plate coverage so it would not apply to pitchers other then when they hit. Most tall pitchers were lousy hitters in the first place. Big D seems to be an exception as my memories of RJ, JR Richard, Hendrickson, are mostly of them flaying away.
2008-06-18 11:47:56
60.   LogikReader

Good work Mike, but the game was played in Cleveland.

"Where'd everybody go?"

2008-06-18 11:48:30
61.   fanerman
56 I think there's sarcasm there.
2008-06-18 11:49:13
62.   El Lay Dave
The first guy I thought of for Sexson was Big Frank Howard (6'7"). His age 33-35 OPS+ were: 170 (last of three straight 170 or better OPS+ seasons), 144, 114. As a part-time 36-year old in his last season, 115. The numbers are higher for Howard, but the drop off close (170s to 110s vs. 140s to 80s).
2008-06-18 11:50:41
63.   El Lay Dave
58 For some reason, it wasn't clear to me. Probably was to everyone else, thus the lack of an earlier question.
2008-06-18 11:51:13
64.   Eric Enders
After Sexson's last good season, the tall player to whom he was most comparable (according to PECOTA) was 6-foot-7 Frank Howard. Howard remained a HOF-caliber hitter until age 33 or 34, after which he was reduced to part-time duty but was still an effective hitter.

Sexson's age 31 comps on Baseball-Reference include only one really tall player, Mark McGwire. I seem to remember McGwire setting a significant record of some sort in his mid-thirties.

These examples don't prove anything in and of themselves, of course.

2008-06-18 11:52:42
65.   Daniel Zappala
47 I don't know. A lot of people still blame Abel for Cain's behavior.
2008-06-18 11:53:17
66.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
60 I was was referring to Game 3 of the 1999 ALCS (Boston 13, Yankees 1) - Pedro gave up 2 hits over 7 innings with 12 Ks.

2008-06-18 11:54:11
67.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
66 Which, now that I look at it, was the same playoff year 47 meant, but clearly not the same game.
2008-06-18 11:54:53
68.   LogikReader

I stupidly thought we were making a Matt Cain ineffectiveness joke.

2008-06-18 11:56:46
69.   Eric Enders
66 That wasn't the game I was talking about. I was talking about, I believe, the Division Series preceding that, where Pedro couldn't start the winner-take-all Game 5 due to injury, but entered in the fourth inning and pitched a no-hitter for the rest of the game as Boston rallied against Cleveland to come from behind.

The ALCS game you're talking about, though -- I was there for that one. The famous "Where is Roger" game. I've never seen a stadium as loud as Fenway was that day.

2008-06-18 11:59:48
70.   ToyCannon
Big Frank may be the most memorable player I ever saw play baseball.
2008-06-18 12:01:42
71.   blue22
62 - What about Darryl Strawberry?
2008-06-18 12:03:53
72.   Eric Enders
The Mets have a pitcher in AA named Nick Abel. It would be pretty funny if he got called up and ended up facing Matt Cain.
2008-06-18 12:06:16
73.   El Lay Dave
70 Of course Howard was traded for Claude Osteen, who was traded for Jimmy Wynn.
2008-06-18 12:06:50
74.   El Lay Dave
71 Who? (I may have a mental block in this area.)
2008-06-18 12:09:27
75.   El Lay Dave
72 Classic, but can it top this?
2008-06-18 12:12:17
76.   El Lay Dave
The recap from last night's Vegas game shows that defensively Nomar did not handle any grounders at SS, made one putout on a CS, and was replaced to start the 5th. Wonder why he didn't play longer?
2008-06-18 12:13:23
77.   madmac
73 now that was a win Wynn situation
2008-06-18 12:14:42
78.   madmac
76 the Dodgers didn't want to push their luck?
2008-06-18 12:16:00
79.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
69 Yep, I corrected myself in 67 . You're right about the ALCS game, though - Fenway was hopping.

76 Guess they wanted to ease him back in slowly before making him go a full 9?

2008-06-18 12:16:59
80.   Jon Weisman
76 - He was scheduled before the game to take two at bats, for whatever reason.
2008-06-18 12:19:47
81.   LogikReader
Ron Artest is on ESPN Radio right now, and it's so funny, because Artest is just what the Lakers need right now, and he's about to enter his opt out in his contract.

Really ties in everything we've talked about this morning.

2008-06-18 12:22:32
82.   cargill06
81 he is insane also, he thinks he's a top 10 player in the NBA and should be paid like that. I'm not familar with the lakers salary situation, but i doubt they can take on a top 10 player contract.
2008-06-18 12:23:40
83.   LogikReader
The Knicks would pay him like a top 10 player. No joke.
2008-06-18 12:24:12
84.   scareduck
3 - yeah, I knew that. It's just as obvious that the Mariners elected to ignore any such input.
2008-06-18 12:25:54
85.   LoneStar7
81 yea despite the fact that I think artest is a total tool, he is precisely what the lakers need...toughness, good defense, the ability to get to the hole, but also shoot the three ball..when the artest rumors popped up a while back, I was excited, and I'd love it if we can go after him again..
2008-06-18 12:27:01
86.   silverwidow
McDonald pitched another awesome game today (7 IP, 0 ER, 0 BB). Too bad this rules him out for Saturday...
2008-06-18 12:27:34
87.   madmac
this will probably not be received all that well, but I don't think the injuries that Tiger played with are quite as impressive as they might appear. People live and perform without their ACL's all the time. I actually have neither of mine anymore. This isn't to take anything away from his victory. Tiger is amazing whether he is playing hurt or not.
2008-06-18 12:28:30
88.   cargill06
86 how many k's?
2008-06-18 12:28:57
89.   cargill06
87 ohh nooo
2008-06-18 12:29:55
90.   silverwidow
88 4 Ks and 4 hits.
2008-06-18 12:31:50
91.   LoneStar7
87 but how many people swing as hard as tiger does, and drive the ball 300+ yards with no ACL?
2008-06-18 12:32:06
92.   cargill06
87 i think a tear is more painful than not having one, and i believe a stress fracutre on your leg is painful. than walking about 35 miles on it, and having to swing knowing it will cause pain, pretty impressive to me.
2008-06-18 12:32:36
93.   silverwidow
90 Make that 3 hits. Sorry.
2008-06-18 12:33:49
94.   LoneStar7
I haven't followed Stults and McDonald especially closely, but I feel like I've been hearing lots of good stuff coming from McDonald, any specific reason Stults is getting the nod over James?...besides the fact now that he just pitched
2008-06-18 12:34:14
95.   cargill06
93 don't let it happen again.
2008-06-18 12:34:27
96.   CajunDodger
They just had a physical therapist/rehab specialist on ESPN Radio an hour or so ago, and she made the same point. The twist, though, is that she said the stress fractures probably hurt worse than the knee did (Tiger confirmed this today in the print media), and could lead to worse damage if not rehabbed correctly.
2008-06-18 12:35:14
97.   Marty
Would Sexson compare to Dave Kingman?
2008-06-18 12:35:29
98.   silverwidow
94 Probably because Penny's injury should be a short term deal.
2008-06-18 12:37:43
99.   Jon Weisman
94 - Stults has been having a career year in the minors. If you're ever going to get anything out of him, this is the time.
2008-06-18 12:38:17
100.   Eric Enders
94 Stults has more experience. And McDonald hasn't dominated AA to the extent that he did last year. (Granted that nobody can really dominate AA to the extent that he did last year.)
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2008-06-18 12:42:07
101.   berkowit28
75 Great! (If anyone doesn't get it, check a German/English dictionary for both names.)
2008-06-18 12:44:58
102.   LogikReader
re: the All Overpaid and all Underpaid Teams article on Yahoo!

Jose Reyes is not an "underpaid" player!

"Dangerous and exciting" are not good enough metrics to justify a 4.38 million dollar salary.

2008-06-18 12:45:32
103.   LogikReader
Ok ok, he's not a bum, but Reyes getting paid 4.38 is just "rated", not overrated or underrated.
2008-06-18 12:45:33
104.   Eric Enders
75 , 101 What are we to make of Teufel hitting a home run in his first at-bat? Shouldn't the world have ended by now or something?
2008-06-18 12:46:36
105.   Eric Enders
Jose Reyes at $4.38 million is an obscene steal.
2008-06-18 12:47:14
106.   Ken Noe
104 Gott triumphed in the end.
2008-06-18 12:51:35
107.   regfairfield
103 Jose Reyes is at worst one of the 10 best players in baseball. He has a 121 OPS+ when the average shortstop gives you a 94, plays great defense, picks up a decent amount of value with his base running and he's still only 25.
2008-06-18 12:55:25
108.   kinbote
107 Yeah, but his little postgame celebrations are annoying. :)

BTW, for anyone counting: Andy LaRoche currently sits at 6 at-bats for the season.

2008-06-18 12:55:57
109.   Jon Weisman
2008-06-18 12:58:38
110.   cargill06
108 well dewitt has a .555 OPS the last 4 weeks can you blame joe?
2008-06-18 13:01:13
111.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
108 8 plate appearances, though.
2008-06-18 13:03:39
112.   Eric Stephen
The Dodgers have won 15 of their last 18 against Cincinnati, including four in a row this season.

My favorite game of this little run against the Reds was the Greg Maddux "Welcome to the Dodgers" start in which he did not give up a hit. Perhaps only rain kept him from tempting Rule 9.

2008-06-18 13:39:47
113.   madmac
92 well yeah, it's painfull at the time of tearing, but not some much a year later. I tore, mine as well. Not a situation where I was born without them.
2008-06-18 13:40:35
114.   madmac
91 how many perfectly healthy people do?

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