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Dodger Thoughts Picnic: August 16
2008-06-18 12:44
by Jon Weisman

Happy to invite readers of Dodger Thoughts to a picnic gathering at 11 a.m. August 16. Yes, this year's event will be away from Dodger Stadium; however, some of you might want to plan to go to that evening's game against Milwaukee at 7:10 p.m.

The gathering will be bring-your-own-food-and-drink fest. But if there's anyone out there who wants to show off their cooking or baking skills, be my guest.

We just need to pick a site that allows for some fine picnic dining (including grilling?), a little softball tossing or playing, and a playground for the kids. Please feel free to nominate locations below. And if there's anything else to suggest, let me know.

Hope you can make it ... wear sunscreen!

Comments (107)
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2008-06-18 12:57:29
1.   Eric Enders
I suggest Eastwood Park in El Paso, Texas. You guys know you need a vacation.
2008-06-18 13:04:34
2.   Eric Stephen
The Dodgers have won 15 of their last 18 against Cincinnati, including four in a row this season.

My favorite game of this little run against the Reds was the Greg Maddux "Welcome to the Dodgers" start in which he did not give up a hit. Perhaps only rain kept him from tempting Rule 9.

2008-06-18 13:04:59
3.   bigcpa
Just in case I'm late, what time will McCourt arrive this year?
2008-06-18 13:05:18
4.   Dodgers49
From previous thread:

76 Wonder why he didn't play longer?

Garciaparra on 51s' short list

>> "The uncertainty is still there," Garciaparra said before the 51s' 5-2 victory over the Tacoma Rainiers at Cashman Field.

Garciaparra will spend this week with the 51s. He received two at-bats Tuesday, striking out in the first one and hitting a two-run homer to left field in the second at-bat. Garciaparra's will get three at-bats tonight and four Thursday before deciding Friday's schedule. <<

2008-06-18 13:07:10
5.   natepurcell
Ogden had their first game last night. Aguasviva and Solano pitched really well. Russell DNP.
2008-06-18 13:10:02
6.   underdog
I suggest you hold the picnic in San Francisco's Glen Canyon park. It meets all your needs and is only a few blocks from my house. ;-) No, I won't be around anyway, will be backpacking in the Sierras it looks like at that time. Wish I could make it. Will be there in spirit.
2008-06-18 13:10:41
7.   Sam DC
I can get a prime spot on the National Mall.

We have sand volleyball courts over by the FDR.

Rancho Park at Pico and Motor is easy access and convenient to at least two DTers I can think of.

It's far from Bob but that gives him cause to show off his gas mileage.

2008-06-18 13:10:41
8.   Eric Enders
2 I was there!
2008-06-18 13:11:11
9.   Sam DC
2 I was here!
2008-06-18 13:11:36
10.   kinbote
5 And Orr had 4 hits batting clean-up and playing 1B.
2008-06-18 13:13:40
11.   Eric Stephen
Per Diamond Leung 20 minutes ago:

"The rain has begun falling here at Great American Ball Park. The tarp is being rolled out, and the Reds batting practice session has been halted."

2008-06-18 13:14:35
12.   kinbote
5 Watt starts tonight.
2008-06-18 13:15:06
13.   Eric Stephen
I thought I remembered you were there, and posted audio interviews as well, but I didn't want to add to my stalker reputation. I already have enough DT-related restraining orders against me.
2008-06-18 13:15:21
14.   BlueCrew Bruin
"Wear sunscreen". I agree Jon. If there is one piece of advice I could give you all, sunscreen would be it.
2008-06-18 13:15:35
15.   Linkmeister
Magic Island, Oahu.

2008-06-18 13:16:56
16.   Jon Weisman
I'm sort of liking the idea of a Dodger Thoughts world tour, but we're going to need a benefactor.
2008-06-18 13:17:18
17.   Jacob L
The Elysian Fields/Northeast Little League site in Elysian Park has the following things to recommend it -

- large, covered picnic areas
- playground equipment for the little ones
- Santa Maria style crank shaft pit grills (and regular small bbq grills also)
- ballfields (probably require advance arrangements)
- panoramic view of Dodger Stadium
- about 10 minutes from my house

2008-06-18 13:18:04
18.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
Jackson put up tonight's lineup 90 seconds ago (no, I don't know if this already made it up in the last thread):

LF Pierre
3B DeWitt
2B Kent
C Martin
1B Loney
CF Kemp
RF Ethier
SS Berroa
RH Lowe


2008-06-18 13:18:28
19.   Alex41592
From Tony Jackson:

LF Pierre
3B DeWitt
2B Kent
C Martin
1B Loney
CF Kemp
RF Ethier
SS Berroa
RH Lowe

2008-06-18 13:18:48
20.   kinbote
11 Incredibly, Juan Pierre has been sighted on the top deck, studying cloud patterns with binoculars and a notepad. He has also pre-shuffled several decks of cards in anticipation of the delay. (We are unable to confirm an earlier report that he highlighted the clubhouse TV Guide for the day's most attractive programming options.)
2008-06-18 13:24:19
21.   underdog
20 He's such a hard worker! I wouldn't put it past him.
2008-06-18 13:25:18
22.   DodgerBlueBruce
For those wondering the whereabouts of Troy from West Virginia-
2008-06-18 13:25:19
23.   underdog
Overall, that's not a bad line-up, except, yeah, I'd like to see LaRoche get a start one of these years. If Nomar makes it back, we'll have an even better line-up, for the three days he stays healthy.
2008-06-18 13:25:24
24.   cargill06 is saying 40% chance of rain in cincinnati.
2008-06-18 13:26:21
25.   Lexinthedena
How bout the Eagle Rock Rec center in...Eagle Rock!

Lot's of space...playgrounds...and baseball Diamonds, for some good 'ol DT softball.

That's my suggestion. I live pretty close and am willing to help coordinate if you need help.

2008-06-18 13:31:39
26.   JoeyP
From previous thread:

You might have a point about Sexson but is it based on your subjective view, or have you run some numbers for guys 6'5 and up

I'm just thinking logically. There arent many 6'5 and taller hitters to begin with. Also, as players age, their bat speed decreases. With more K zone to cover than the average shorter hitter, I can reason that a decline for an especially taller hitter is going to be even more pronounced than someone with less K zone to protect.

And to compare Sexson to hall of fame players isnt really apropo.

It was an incredible feat for a man as tall as Sexson to have a major league career, and one as good as he did. But his decline isnt exactly surprising IMO.

2008-06-18 13:31:40
27.   Eric Enders
22 It's always weird when the only charge against someone is resisting arrest, since that carries the implication that the reason for arresting the person in the first place wasn't legitimate.
2008-06-18 13:35:08
28.   JoeyP
Also, I really hope Kyle Russell can be productive given his height.

When he faces MLB caliber pitchers that can locate on the corners of his big K zone, he's going to be really challenged.

2008-06-18 13:35:39
29.   Jon Weisman
22 - Where does it say that was the only charge?
2008-06-18 13:37:54
30.   DodgerBlueBruce
Dark blue text on light blue background under photo.

Thank You Jon for providing a much looked forward to part of my day.

2008-06-18 13:38:33
31.   cargill06
good outing for zito today

2 ip, 5 h, 5 er, 4 bb, 2 k's

he now has a 6.32 era this year, 48bb-40k's, and a baa around .325, and is likely to drop to 2-11

2008-06-18 13:39:28
32.   regfairfield
22 He looks a lot like I expected him to.
2008-06-18 13:40:12
33.   Eric Enders
29 The box in the middle of the page. But my comment was more of a general one, not necessarily about the specifics of this case.
2008-06-18 13:41:01
34.   underdog

Sounds like it may clear up before game time.

2008-06-18 13:43:28
35.   DodgerBlueBruce
He looked eerily like John Belushi.
2008-06-18 13:45:28
36.   Eric Stephen
Did you expect him to look different than in his videos? Or have you never seen them?

Crap, now I feel like the loser.

2008-06-18 13:45:46
37.   cargill06
it's offical, the dodgers maybe in trouble tonight, this is my first time betting on them since i bet they'd win the series against houston
2008-06-18 13:46:12
38.   regfairfield
36 I haven't seen them, no.
2008-06-18 13:46:36
39.   silverwidow
Does Solano's stuff match his stats? If so, we could have another ace pitching prospect.
2008-06-18 13:48:34
40.   cargill06
39 am i missing something? i can only find 2 IP on him professionally
2008-06-18 13:50:29
41.   madmac
BTW, Troy sends his RSVP for the Dodger Thoughts picnic
2008-06-18 13:52:36
42.   silverwidow
40 He made his debut last night. I don't have a scouting report, but an 18-year-old striking out 4 in 2 IP (in a hitter's league no less) is very impressive.
2008-06-18 13:59:45
43.   fanerman
Gosh. Instead of being 380ish miles away from this event, I'll be thousands of miles, on vacation in the Philippines. Oh well. Sounds fun!
2008-06-18 14:00:40
44.   Dodgers49
23 Overall, that's not a bad line-up, except, yeah, I'd like to see LaRoche get a start one of these years.

We're facing two tough lefthanders when Cleveland come to town. Maybe there will be a LaRoche sighting then.

2008-06-18 14:01:47
45.   bigcpa
The Giants are such a progressive org they traded a proven vet for a high OBP infield prospect. Then they actually start said prospect in a major league game against a RHP.
2008-06-18 14:03:16
46.   gpellamjr
Wait-- was Troy arrested at the game last night? I was behind homeplate, and I heard some loud screaming and I looked over to see a Dodger fan being hauled away by like 10 cops.

I didn't see any awesome sideburns, though.

2008-06-18 14:05:21
47.   underdog
Speaking of the Giants I was just watching their game vs the Tigers for a few mins while eating lunch, and Krukow and Kuiper were talking about hitters who have lead the AL in hitting with a .360 avg or better over last 10 years, as a way of talking about Magglio. Anyway, since people here were just talking about tall hitters generally having trouble in the big leagues, they basically said the same thing. Mags is the perfect height for a hitter, but taller guys often struggle. But then they reminded me of one tall hitter who was very good (including being one of those guys on the aforementioned list): John Olerud.
2008-06-18 14:06:08
48.   GMac In The 909
46 From the previous thread:

25. underdog
A firsthand account of Troy from WV's unfortunate behavior in Cincy yesterday, from a poster on the forums:

>>Yep - I witnessed the entire UGLY incident first hand. Seems Troy got there right about the same time as I did and had his first beer in hand at around 5:15 p.m. Who knows how many he had between then and the seventh inning when this all went down. He had on his full "Beimel" gear and the same crazy Elvis sideburns as his YouTube video.

Shortly after Joey B. came in and slammed the door on the local Redlegs, Troy took off his jersey and began holding it up above his head to antagonize the local fans. That was slightly amusing, but then he did a GREAT dishonour to those of us Blue fans who were there ONLY to cheer on the boys from L.A. by proceeding to double-barrel (both hands raised) flip off his entire section.

This was greeted with substantial boos, including my entire row, which was all L.A. fans. A Reds fan in his section attempted to get him to stop (after all, there were a lot of kids there at the game and in that section for Ken Griffey, Jr. night) by trying to hold his arms down, but Troy wasn't having any of that and proceeded to push this guy, who was substantially older and probably 100 pounds lighter down the steps of the aisle.

At this point, Cincinnati's finest got involved and Troy did not go quietly, fighting three or four of them all the way up the stairs. The fans were chanting, "TAZE HIM, TAZE HIM" and he's pretty lucky the cops didn't.

I have to agree with dw - this guy is a REAL TOOL. I certainly hope his admittance tomorrow is denied and they put him on the first chicken bus back to West Virginia. <<

Sounds like he needs to sober up, and maybe a night in a horrible local correctional facility will do the trick.

2008-06-18 14:07:01
49.   underdog
45 The same Denker who just made a costly throwing error, alas.
2008-06-18 14:12:32
50.   LoneStar7
just took a look at that yahoo sports all overpaid/underpaid list...scary stuff for Dodger fans indeed
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2008-06-18 14:12:57
51.   dzzrtRatt
Here is a beautiful, though not centrally located, park on the PV peninsula:

It has an amazing view, lots of green space for throwing balls and frisbees around, a few bbq stoves (not real big though), a baseball diamond, a kids' playground, some hoops. The bbq area probably needs a body to hold it starting in the morning. I'd volunteer, except right now I'm not sure if I'm in town that weekend.

2008-06-18 14:13:24
52.   LogikReader
2 , 9

I was in Hawaii!

2008-06-18 14:14:01
53.   regfairfield
50 If it makes you feel any better, the list is pretty terrible.
2008-06-18 14:14:31
54.   CajunDodger
What about the Rose Bowl. You can reserve one of the fields for free (at least you could when I lived there and did not need to use the lights), and there is tons of space for the mini-DTers.
2008-06-18 14:15:26
55.   underdog
Does anyone know a way to get the old MLBTV player to come up, the one that actually allows you to pause the game? As opposed to crummy silverlight. Or do I have to uninstall silverlight first?
2008-06-18 14:16:39
56.   Marty
I think Jon wants to have it on the west side. It certainly will be cooler than anywhere in the San Fernando or San Gabriel valleys.
2008-06-18 14:18:37
57.   LogikReader

Hear hear! Kent landing on that list is just unfair. Kent was rather solid up to this year, and we can't dock a guy based on one year, an option year no less.

2008-06-18 14:19:14
58.   LoneStar7
53 In the sense that theres much worse out there than wasn't listed?
2008-06-18 14:21:37
59.   Daniel Zappala
49 Holy cow, I'm missing Denker because I decided not to attend the afternoon game today?! Bummer.
2008-06-18 14:21:54
60.   CajunDodger
Or in Fontana by my house.

There are a couple of nice spots in Thousand Oaks just West of the 101...

2008-06-18 14:22:33
61.   regfairfield
58 In the sense that I'm pretty sure that the Yankees aren't regretting they signed Derek Jeter.
2008-06-18 14:22:57
62.   Daniel Zappala
If I bring my entire family to the picnic, can we play Zappala Family vs Dodger Thoughts?
2008-06-18 14:23:18
63.   LogikReader
49 , 59

Hang on, are we being sarcastic, or do you think this is a good move? Who was the veteran traded for Denker?

2008-06-18 14:23:40
64.   regfairfield
63 Sweeney.
2008-06-18 14:29:59
65.   bigcpa
Denker for Sweeney is exactly what I dislike most about Colletti. One of those footnote moves that only annoys .001 of the fanbase.
2008-06-18 14:31:32
66.   bigcpa
51 My 4-yr old is at soccer class at Robert Ryan park as we speak! You live on the hill right?
2008-06-18 14:31:44
67.   scareduck
65 - I forget who it was (CanuckDodger?) but that also has been one of my big criticisms of Colletti: the slow erosion of the farm, unloading guys who have some actual potential for dross.
2008-06-18 14:32:48
68.   scareduck
51 - I'd be down with that as a location.
2008-06-18 14:33:58
69.   LoneStar7
Sure would rather have denker around than maza
2008-06-18 14:34:33
70.   scareduck
51 - actually, if you were going to hold something there, you might as well go to Point Fermin Park, which has similar views but is much flatter:

2008-06-18 14:37:16
71.   JoeyP
It'll be interesting to see who has the better big league career---Denker or Dewitt.

Dewitt got the bonus baby treatment from the Dodgers, while Denker was always thought of as an afterthought.

2008-06-18 14:37:25
72.   LogikReader

Good point. Honest to goodness, when has Ned EV-ER picked up a young prospect by trading an older veteran? It has 90% of the time gone the other way around. Betemit for Proctor, anyone?

2008-06-18 14:37:43
73.   El Lay Dave
56 As a San Fernando Valley resident, I, too, want the DT picnic to be somewhere cooler and not a place where there is a mountain range blocking the Pacific.

I believe that L.A. City Parks requires reservations for diamonds.

2008-06-18 14:39:31
74.   underdog
The Denker for Sweeney move discussion, an oldie but a goodie!

My official stance is I agree, anytime you trade a young prospect for a guy on his last legs, it's a mistake. While I still don't think of Denker as highly as some do here, it's clear he has some upside, whereas Sweeney was on the downside. However, despite how awful Sweeney has been this year, I would still argue that it's unfair to categorize him as dross. They were desperate for another pinch hitter last year, after the Tomato was crushed and diced. And he had a very good season as a PH and fill-in. (And yes, as a Pee Wee supporter I'm aware they could've kept him up there and had him be the #1 PH.) I guess what I'm saying is I can see the argument against that trade (and god forbid we should give the Giants any prospects, grr) but I don't think it's so clear-cut as some would have it.

2008-06-18 14:41:28
75.   underdog
72 Good question. He seems to only have learned as far as not giving up the farm for older players, but still doesn't seem interested in trading FOR prospects. Will be interesting to see if the Dodgers fall completely out of contention by end of July, if he changes that tune. I'd rather the Dodgers stay in contention, but if they don't, will be a test for him.
2008-06-18 14:42:52
76.   LogikReader

Point taken, but why is it that Colletti assumes we have no servicable talent to pick up in our minor league farm system for a one month or two month stint? I'm not familiar with the options for minor leaguers or the 40 man in September, but it always appears that he's worked ways to acquire more dead weight players knowing full well their best days are behind them.

2008-06-18 14:44:02
77.   scareduck
67 - I meant to say that CanuckDodger might have been the first to air that viewpoint.

70 - I should also add that Pt. Fermin is much easier to get to than any park in the Palos Verdes peninsula. I used to have friends out there and it takes you half an hour just to get off the hill.

2008-06-18 14:45:12
78.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
55 Yep. There's a hack to make it full screen you can try to, if that's something that interests you.
2008-06-18 14:45:47
79.   LogikReader

I see that 75 answers 76 . Thanks underdog.

2008-06-18 14:46:03
80.   Luis Chavez
Yes, you have to uninstall Silverlight first. After you uninstall it, it will present you the option of using Silverlight or Windows Media Player (old version).
2008-06-18 14:46:06
81.   El Lay Dave
74 They DFAed Marlon Anderson a few weeks earlier (for 40-man room?). He ended up PHing .311 .347 .489 overall, despite struggling in LA. In some sense, the "desperate" situation was self-inflicted.

But we've had this discussion.

2008-06-18 14:46:15
82.   fanerman
78 How?
2008-06-18 14:46:57
83.   scareduck
74 - trouble is, it fits too neatly into the same category of trades as the one that sent Edwin Jackson to the (then-Devil) Rays for Danys Baez and Lance Carter, both now out of baseball (at least to my knowledge) and certainly out of the Dodgers' control (mercifully).
2008-06-18 14:49:41
84.   cargill06
74 olmedo came down with salmonila poisioning.
2008-06-18 14:50:05
85.   scareduck
80 - Are you sure? Before disinstalling SilverLight, I would try removing the SLInstall cookie and trying to run the viewer. This fixed my problems with the MLBAM Gameday Audio when they kept trying to jack me around using a worthless Flash audio controller that doesn't work under Linux. There's an alternative interface that just defaults to the browser-local audio interface controls, but for whatever reason it fails to properly observe that I don't have Silverlight on my machine (and God willing, never will).
2008-06-18 14:50:24
86.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
83 Not sure how "in baseball" you count this as, but Danys Baez is still taking up a spot on the Orioles roster, though he's going to miss the entire year after arm surgery.
2008-06-18 14:51:19
87.   Mike Scioscias tragic illness
85 I could never do it right until I just got rid of Silverlight entirely. And I even worked at MLBAM for a year.
2008-06-18 14:52:16
88.   Xeifrank
I too would recommend a park that it won't be 100 degrees at. Something near the coast would be great. Westside, Maleeboo etc...
Also, do we have anybody that can pitch a slow pitch softball halfway decent?
vr, Xei
2008-06-18 14:55:35
89.   The Anc 31
Any one see this about the dirtiest stadiums in baseball?

2008-06-18 14:56:34
90.   El Lay Dave
Since Colletti has been GM, the Dodgers in two seasons have: 2006 - made the playoffs, 2007 - been in contention in mid-September. Ned really hasn't been in that position of being a "seller" at the deadline, when he might be in a position to trade for prospects.

Also, which Dodger players might actually have interested other teams in the off-seasons? Penny and Lowe good starters with good contracts. Anyone else?

2008-06-18 14:57:55
91.   dzzrtRatt
Unless the Dodgers come charging back in the next 30 days, Colletti will have a chance to test his prospect-gathering chops, I suspect. He could get a good return for Derek Lowe, and I see no reason to keep him unless we're sure 2008 is a potential championship year (save for the extra draft choice.) Lowe would be a less costly alternative for a contender looking at Sabathia or Bedard for stretch drive help, but unwilling to pay the likely shakedown price for those two.

If Kent turns it around, he'd also be worth at least a decent low-minors prospect. He could be an excellent DH who could play on the field a couple times a week. Or he could go play in Arizona, where they need a guy who knows how to inspire the young.

I won't dare dream that some speed-challenged team would want Pierre for his rabbityness.

2008-06-18 14:58:35
92.   El Lay Dave
88 Esteban Loaiza might be available then.
2008-06-18 14:59:09
93.   Jacob L
Ryan Park (nee PV Park) is about a mile from where I grew up, and it is nice. Plus, I'd possibly be able to squeeze in a few twilight holes at Los Verdes next door Pt. Fermin Park has a lot of character, and has the crazy little biker bar across the street (Walker's Cafe).

Still, I think if views are a consideration, my suggestion 17 is hard to beat.

2008-06-18 15:00:09
94.   Luis Chavez
Are you using Linux? It might be different, but if you were using WMP before uninstalling Silverlight should work. That's what I did and it worked, but I'm running Windows.
2008-06-18 15:00:57
95.   El Lay Dave
93 If this were scheduled to happen with the Dodgers on the road, maybe Frank McCourt would let us have this picnic IN Dodger Stadium.
2008-06-18 15:02:23
96.   Jim Hitchcock
6 Where do you go backpacking, underdog? Just got back from Rocky Rest on the North Yuba myself.
2008-06-18 15:03:39
97.   Ken Noe
One thing we don't have to worry about Ned doing: Rotoworld reports that the Yankees have signed Ponson.
2008-06-18 15:05:05
98.   Jacob L
95 I'd be surprised, but maybe. At the Father's Day Catch this past Sunday, there were a few people who set up blankets in the outfield for little mini-picnics.

Speaking of which (I'm not sure if it was discussed already) Fathers Day Catch was a really nice event, better than in past years. Playing catch on the field is good enough for me, but they also had free hot dogs and souvenirs (Saito bobblehead notably), and former players giving autographs. I got to chat with Matt Luke, which was unfortunate. I'd always thought that Matt and I lived in the same dorm at Berkeley, but it turns out he was in the building next door.

2008-06-18 15:08:23
99.   bhsportsguy
Somehow, the idea of getting "Travis Denker" type prospects in return for anyone is not that appealing to me.

The Dodgers don't have the type of veterans that will net you prospects like the Rangers, A's, or Orioles did.

Does Jhonny Nunez ring a bell, he actually was a top GCL prospect in 2006 and he was dealt for Marlon Anderson in 2006. Anderson of course had one of the greatest months in LA Dodger history. Less than year later, gone.

Nunez, still in the Nationals farm system, now in Advanced or High A ball, is having a better statisitcal year this year but is not shooting up their hot list.

So was that deal worth it, yes even if Nunez turns out to be a MLB pitcher, which there is no guarantee of happening at this time.

2008-06-18 15:09:01
100.   bigcpa
Given that last year's outing fell on my kid's birthday and I missed out, I would very much appreciate a South Bay location this year. Robert Ryan is 20 min from the 405 on a Sat morning.
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2008-06-18 15:10:20
101.   scareduck
86 - thanks for that. I thought Baez was cut after a year of sucktitude in Baltimore.
2008-06-18 15:11:08
102.   LoneStar7
the only problem with that article on dirty stadiums, is that the big ball in middle doesn't say Anaheim on it, but at least briefly tarnishes our city name.
2008-06-18 15:13:05
103.   scareduck
94 - yes, using Linux. Outside of my wife running a Windows emulator on her MacBook Pro, and a dedicated machine that she uses for one kind of synth software, there's no Windows in our house. (I'm not sure about the latter, and the former is a concession to her BodyBugg.)
2008-06-18 15:13:42
104.   underdog
Thanks guys. I think I'm gonna look for that cookie first and then uninstall Silverlight if I have to. I also seem to recall that if you can find the old version of Gameday it sometimes linked to the old version of MLBTV...

96 Well, my stepdad (who is in his late 50s) is the hard core camper/planner and does a trip somewhere every year. Three years ago we went to a place in the high Sierras in the John Muir Wilderness, east side of the Sierras. That was beautiful but almost too high for me. I got altitude sickness once. Last year we went to the coast, Big Basin. This year we're looking at Huntington Lake which is only an hour outside of Fresno I believe. Looks pretty. Not quite as high.

2008-06-18 15:14:44
105.   underdog
99 But we could trade someone Mark Sweeney for a Travis Denker type. ;-)
2008-06-18 15:17:16
106.   underdog
But re 99, that was sort of my point earlier. I think it's true that Ned hasn't both the opportunity NOR the inkling to trade for prospects, but if the opportunity arose this season, then we'd see for sure. And that there are clearly some cases where trading middling prospects, like a Nunez, even for a short term pick up, can still be the right move, as with Marlon Anderson. In the case of Sweeney, my point was also that deal was a mixed bag, but if you look at it short term Sweeney helped. Long term, it's possible that Denker will come back to haunt the Dodgers, though.
2008-06-18 15:20:03
107.   Jon Weisman

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