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Well-Deserved Ceremony for Jarrin
2008-06-23 16:35
by Jon Weisman

The Dodgers will honor Jaime Jarrin for his 50th anniversary as Dodger broadcaster in a pregame ceremony Tuesday.

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2008-06-23 16:41:27
1.   Alex41592
0 - Excellent.

Stephen Drew just flew out to J.D Drew.

2008-06-23 16:41:41
2.   bhsportsguy
When was the last time the Angels played in Washington DC?
2008-06-23 16:44:07
3.   Alex41592
Felix Hernandez (!) hit a grand slam off of Johan Santana!
2008-06-23 16:44:37
4.   Lexinthedena
I had a Blind friend named Jose who participated with me in a teen-fathers support group when I was 18. He played accordion, was a dad, and dealt with quite a bit. I think about him sometimes, and what an amazing guy he was. The whole group looked up to him. Jose carried around a radio and talked Dodgers with the best of them. Jarrin was to him what Scully is to me.

Boston may be winning the title's, but L.A will always hold the broadcasting trump card.

2008-06-23 16:46:09
5.   underdog
Sporky, have you really only seen The Phantom Menace of all the Star Wars films? {Sigh}

1 Beckett vs Haren in that one.

2008-06-23 16:46:21
6.   sporky
3 !!!
2008-06-23 16:48:09
7.   Eric Stephen
[In Godfather II Danny Aiello voice] The Griddle says hello.
2008-06-23 16:50:41
8.   bhsportsguy
5 I think it is sad to say that many of her generation have only seen the second set of three.

2 Bob is probably looking as many different ways to use bulldog for the first game of CWS so I'll answer this question myself. Assuming that the Angels did not play the Nationals at RFK, the last time the Angels played in DC was August 15, 1971 when they completed their last 3 game set against the Senators. The Angels won in 10l, as they scored a run in the 9th to tie and then another in the 10th to win, 5-4.

Dave LaRoche pitched for the Angels that day. Sandy Alomar and Ken Berry was also in the Angels lineup.

2008-06-23 16:50:44
9.   sporky
5 I don't remember much of it, though.

I have yet to see Titanic as well, but I don't know if that is as grievous an offense.

2008-06-23 16:51:48
10.   regfairfield
Does Star Wars actually hold up if you see it after you're nine?
2008-06-23 16:53:43
11.   bhsportsguy
10 I hope so since I was in junior high when it first came out.
2008-06-23 16:57:28
12.   fanerman
10 The only one that holds up for me is Empire Strikes Back. Though Return of the Jedi has its moments.
2008-06-23 16:57:42
13.   Jon Weisman
Eric - I love Bonnie and Clyde, Lone Star, Last Picture Show.

Giant is bloated.

2008-06-23 16:57:53
14.   Jim Hitchcock
9 Well, the thing about Titanic is you know how it ends...
2008-06-23 16:59:11
15.   Jim Hitchcock
13 Lone Star is fantastic. Silver City was disappointment, though.
2008-06-23 17:00:07
16.   regfairfield
12 I agree with that. Empire Strikes Back holds up on its own but I can't really sit through the other ones.
2008-06-23 17:00:47
17.   bhsportsguy
14 Spoiler Alert :)

I remember checking my watch as the ship hits the iceberg and thinking to myself, I wonder how they are going to fill the remaining hours left of this movie. Apparently you can never have enough Leo.

2008-06-23 17:01:29
18.   underdog
9 It's good you don't remember much of Phantom Menace, because it's truly abysmal -- and forgettable. But Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back are great and both do still hold up imho. Jedi is fun, too. The new ones you can stick into a trash compactor on the Death Star as far as I'm concerned.

It's no longer an "interesting" game for Felix Hernandez but with his at bat it shall always remain interesting literally.

2008-06-23 17:01:41
19.   Bob Hendley
0 - Truly amazing, I hadn't realized that. I have a million questions. Is there a link to background?
2008-06-23 17:03:54
20.   bryanf
Sorry if I am late to the game, but what does everyone make of the Lowe/Boras/Colletti/Torre meeting?

To me it's just...confusing...

2008-06-23 17:04:00
21.   bhsportsguy
16 I wonder if people will say same thing about "The Two Towers" the middle part of the Lord of the Ring threesome.

The first one was filled with all the introductions and the last one, well it has to wrap everything up plus there wasn't a lot in the last book anyway.

If the battle with Shelob had been in the second film (as it is in the book), it might be no contest.

2008-06-23 17:05:29
22.   sporky
17 I didn't have a vested interest in the state of Leo's shirtlessness or Kate's heaving bosom, so it was an easy decision to skip it.
2008-06-23 17:05:35
23.   underdog
13 Eric, saw your last LAT'd post, and I define Westerns here:

but of course I'm no Wikipedia so your rules may vary. I would say some of those films would qualify as either quasi-Westerns, neo-Westerns, or at least with some Western elements. But I don't think of Bonnie and Clyde, frinstance, as a Western; it's a Gangster picture, really. The Last Picture Show is a wonderful film, an elegy to dying towns, a coming of age drama, but not a Western.

2008-06-23 17:05:49
24.   regfairfield
20 I really wouldn't be surprised if they were talking extension.
2008-06-23 17:06:05
25.   ToyCannon
Lone Star was great, I'm not sure if I've ever been disapointed in any John Sayles movie. Brother from Another Planet is still one of my favorites.

Even though Giant was bloated I liked it.

2008-06-23 17:06:48
26.   bhsportsguy
20 I think those meetings happen more than we know about, not just Lowe and the Dodgers but in all pro sports.

Lowe is a veteran in the last year of his contract and according to reports was not told about the change in his schedule until after he done work he usually does the day before.

And last year, I believe he got out of his routine when Grady used him as a reliever against the Mets.

2008-06-23 17:07:02
27.   underdog
20 I wouldn't make much out of it. Sounds like they were clearing the air after some word got out that Lowe was disgruntled. His agent wanted him to not appear disgruntled, so they kissed and made up, or cleared the air. And there's not much more to it than that...
2008-06-23 17:07:53
28.   overkill94
A little late to the party, but here's my top 5 westerns:

1. Shane
2. Red River
3. Tombstone
4. Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid
5. The Wild Bunch

Honorable mention: 3:10 to Yuma (the new one), Open Range, Dances with Wolves

If Hud actually does count then it would probably be #1, but it doesn't really seem like a western to me.

Westerns I thought were overrated:
High Noon
Unforgiven (good but not great)

I'm sure there are others I'm forgetting, but I believe I at least covered all the one's I've seen that were mentioned in the last thread.

2008-06-23 17:10:17
29.   ToyCannon
When we saw the 1st movie I was all ticked off at what they left out and my older wiser brother told me to get over it. He walked out of the 3rd movie he was so angry, and all I could do was laugh when my niece told me about it.
2008-06-23 17:12:11
30.   regfairfield
21 I actually thought that was the weakest of the three.
2008-06-23 17:15:30
31.   ToyCannon
By the way Underdog I watched Underdog last night and got sucked into watching it because Patrick Warburton always makes me laugh.
I followed that up with Hoodwinked to put the universe straight again and there he was again playing the wolf.
2008-06-23 17:17:08
32.   Dodgers49
Mailbag is up at

Will Chan Ho Park win Comeback Player of the Year Award?
How does the current Dodgers youth movement compare ...
How would you rate the Dodgers' starting rotation?
With all the attention given to Clayton Kershaw, how has someone with much less fanfare like Cory Wade ...
With two starters on the disabled list, why isn't Hong-Chih Kuo in the rotation?

2008-06-23 17:21:57
33.   Alex41592
Felix Hernandez has left the game in N.Y with an injury while covering home plate on a wild pitch and Carlos Beltran slid into his leg.
2008-06-23 17:22:01
34.   Marty
Matewan is my favorite Sayles movie.
2008-06-23 17:25:40
35.   fanerman
21 30 I think the quality of that trilogy is quite consistent. I like the 2nd and 3rd ones better than the 1st, but not really by much.
2008-06-23 17:28:09
36.   Jim Hitchcock
34 Yes.
2008-06-23 17:28:21
37.   Daniel Zappala
The Lord of the Rings movies will all hold up forever and ever Amen.
2008-06-23 17:30:35
38.   fanerman
Lord of the Rings needs to come out in Blu-Ray ASAP.
2008-06-23 17:34:33
39.   Daniel Zappala
Nice 3-6-1 DP for the Angels.
2008-06-23 17:35:59
40.   Daniel Zappala
38 As a general rule, I don't buy DVDs. The Planet Earth set on Blu-Ray is one exception. I would definitely get the Lord of the Rings trilogy if it came out in that format.
2008-06-23 17:40:10
41.   GoBears
I'd say one difference between LoR and Star Wars (of many) is that with LoR, the audience knew what was coming, and so could be patient for the payoff. Also, knowing that the books were so long, it was easy to forgive omissions and poetic license.

With Star Wars, my feeling (then and now) was that Lucas did a good job with the first movie, giving it its own (Western-style) story arc, with set up and payoff. He didn't know how successful it was going to be, and it wouldn't have been as successful without the payoff. Once he got around to Empire, he could do whatever he wanted, and so Empire and Jedi are really just two parts of a single idea. Empire didn't really end - it just left us hanging. Seems to me there's about 1 movie worth of stuff in those two combined, but Lucas knew he could stretch it out and add an hour of Forest Muppets and laugh all the way to the bank.

The Prequels were awful. Really an insult to millions of fans - especially Phantom Menace.

2008-06-23 17:46:04
42.   Dodgers49
Williams' sendoff no help to Armada

>> Having just been signed by the Dodgers, Jerome Williams decided to give the Armada one last effort. <<

2008-06-23 17:49:32
43.   Alex41592
Another freaky injury:

Kevin Youkilis took a ball off his right eye on a ball in the dirt in between innings and had to be removed from the game. It was black and blue immediately and his eye was almost completely shut. Bad.

2008-06-23 18:00:34
44.   Eric Enders
33 Will there be a forthcoming rant from Boy Steinbrenner about how we shouldn't make the poor pitchers play defense?
2008-06-23 18:02:06
45.   Ken Noe
Until my dying day, I will believe that Darth was not originally meant to be Luke's father, nor were Luke and Leia siblings.
2008-06-23 18:03:39
46.   skybluestoday
I was hideously LAT'd, but please note that I chimed in with some belated but heartfelt thoughts on the Great Westerns.
2008-06-23 18:06:23
47.   skybluestoday
Never mind, I'm bringing them over.
2008-06-23 18:07:29
48.   skybluestoday
1) The Wild Bunch

In one supreme starburst of energy, commitment, and focus, Peckinpah captures the decidedly dark, dark heart of 1968-1969 in a genre picture. Raw, chaotic, and brutal, but also shot through with romantic fatalism, this is not only to my mind the greatest Western of all time, but also one of the two or three greatest American films, period.

2) Once Upon a Time in the West

The yin to Peckinpah's Wild Bunch yang, this is a profoundly langorous and poetic statement from a maestro filmmaker who had never even spent any time in the West. Absolutely impossible to describe, it boasts some of the finest casting in the history of the genre a for-the-ages soundtrack -- it doesn't look like any other Leone movie ever made -- hell, it doesn't look like any other movie ever made

2008-06-23 18:08:49
49.   skybluestoday
3) Red River

Wow! John Wayne vs. Montgomery Clift in what is quite possibly the greatest of all classical Westerns! (I have always preferred it to the John Ford films, with the possible exception of Stagecoach.) John Wayne plays as unsympathetic a bastard as he plays in The Searchers (thank goodness John Wayne was generally a Good Guy, because grungier roles like these suggest that he would have been a truly terrifying Bad Guy.) His antagonist is Montgomery Clift, in his audacious and ultracool screen debut -- it's like the Old Guard of Hollywood Acting is meeting the New Guard (with the conflict deeply rooted in the film's story as well) and is certainly one of the great matchups in the history of Hollywood movies. Clift really holds his own against the icon, Wayne – and the result is pretty much a masterpiece. The script is jaw-droppingly quotable, with one classic sequence after another (watch closely as Coleen Gray almost manages to steal the whole show in her three minutes of screen time at the beginning of the movie); the B&W cinematography is unbelievably lustrous and beautiful; and the sparks that fly between Clift and Wayne need to be seen to be believed. There is a good reason that this was in fact the Last Picture Show.

4) McCabe and Mrs. Miller

Some people think it's the worst Western ever made, many people think it's one of the very greatest American films of all, but I don't think anybody who has seen McCabe & Mrs. Miller has really ever forgotten it. Robert Altman's singular masterpiece is truly like no other movie you have ever seen. It's a passionate, timeless reverie about what the West was like precisely at the moment that it was becoming civilization as we know it – it occupies an exalted, unique crossroads position in America's history (and in film history). As a dense, elliptical, hard-to-hear work of frontier poetry that nonetheless tells a deceptively straightforward story, it is unparalleled. Every element of the production works toward a common goal, and it is all of a piece. Even catching a chopped-up, censored, pan-and-scan version of it on television as a teenager, I knew immediately that this film was something special – something pulled deeply from the troubled, mystical, mythical subconscious of the American experience for all of those who have chosen to go west to make our fortune.

Altman was on a tremendous roll between 1970 and 1975, cranking out no fewer than eight fascinating films from M*A*S*H to Nashville in that short span of time – a run that represents an amazing gambler's winning streak in American movies. McCabe & Mrs. Miller may well be the best of these great works. The early 1970's were indisputably one of the golden ages of American cinema, and you would be hard-pressed to find too many more films from that bygone era that are more perfectly conceived and executed than this one.

2008-06-23 18:11:43
50.   skybluestoday
5) Stagecoach (TIE)

I am generally shaded several degrees cooler towards Ford's work than Howard Hawks's, for example. I'm no particular fan of the much-beloved Searchers, for examples -- not so much because of the cloudy, ambiguous racial attitudes, but rather because I find so much of the film clumsy and ham-fisted.

I do think that Stagecoach, however, is one of the all-time greats -- a genre picture that clicks right into place at every turn. I can see why Welles (claimed to have) watched it 40 times while prepping Citizen Kane. The push-in to John Wayne as he wields his rifle and stops the stagecoach is one of my all-time favority movie intros -- right up there with the aforementioned Welles's snap-CU as Harry Lime when Joseph Cotten yells at him outside Alida Valle's apartment in The Third Man.

5) Ride the High Country (TIE)

I know, another Peckinpah. But while The Wild Bunch is assuredly the First Great Modern Western, this small flick might have been the last of the Great Classic Westerns. Randolph Scott and Joel McCrea may give the best performances of their careers as two aging former gunslingers trekking a cash payload across the Sierras, and the whole thing comes across as achingly poignant. Really great stuff.

Honorable Mention: Shane (of course), Winchester '73, GBU and also For A Few Dollars More, Unforgiven, Man of the West, The Tall T -- heck, any of those Budd Boetticher or Anthony Mann classics from the 1950s. How about Johnny Guitar?

So many riches -- an endless adaptable genre.

(Sorry about the long posts.)

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2008-06-23 18:12:53
51.   larry slimfast
42 Was he really allowed to pitch 11 innings and then start 3 days later?
2008-06-23 18:13:01
52.   Eric Enders
Bout time someone mentioned Ride the High Country. Great movie.
2008-06-23 18:15:40
53.   Eric Enders
Is that Jerome Williams, as in, the fat guy who used to pitch for the Giants? I didn't realize we'd signed him.
2008-06-23 18:15:41
54.   Andrew Shimmin
Is Bonnie and Clyde really a gangster movie? It seems like you'd need more than three people to be a gang.
2008-06-23 18:18:14
55.   Eric Enders
According to Rule 2.14 (v) of The Gangster's Handbook, as long as one of the three people is Gene Hackman, then you're good.
2008-06-23 18:18:31
56.   skybluestoday
Re: 54 --

At the height of their powers, it's a five-man gang. Beatty, Dunaway, Michael J. Pollard, Gene Hackman, and Estelle Parsons.

(They almost manage to recruit Evans Evans and a young Gene Wilder, to boot.)

2008-06-23 18:22:24
57.   Daniel Zappala
45 Anyone who agrees Darth Vader was not originally meant to be Luke's father, and who finds the history of the Star Wars saga interesting, ought to read this e-book:

2008-06-23 18:31:18
58.   Marty
49 Howard Hawks was the man. Hawks (then) and P.T. Anderson (now) are my favorite directors.
2008-06-23 18:31:33
59.   skybluestoday
But Bonnie and Clyde doesn't much count as a Western, I don't think. First four categories:

1) Mind-bending New Hollywood Us vs. Them movie that helped to bring down the Old Guard.

2) Floodgate-opener to new forms of violent expression in cinema.

3) Radically original flick embraced by the burgeoning youth culture as emblematic of their lives.

4) Revisionist gangster flick.

2008-06-23 18:32:49
60.   Bob Timmermann
I saw "Ride the High Country" in a revival theater in Berkeley. I think there were about 10 people in the theater, although it was an afternoon show.

Peckinpah was born in Fresno. And today is going well for the good people of Fresno.

The star of "Ride the High Country" is South Pasadena's most famous native son, Joel McCrea.

2008-06-23 18:34:26
61.   skybluestoday
Re: 60

At University and Shattuck?

2008-06-23 18:35:58
62.   Bob Timmermann
Yes, that one. I forget its name. It was 21 years ago.
2008-06-23 18:37:27
63.   skybluestoday
I think it was just called the "University Theater." They were still in business 1991-1993, when I lived in SF. I saw "McCabe and Mrs. Miller" there, as I recall.
2008-06-23 18:37:49
64.   skybluestoday
(I think I still have some of their programs.)
2008-06-23 18:56:05
65.   Daniel Zappala
There was a theater in Palo Alto that used to show classic movies. I really miss that place. Every town deserves one.
2008-06-23 18:58:46
66.   skybluestoday
Re: 65

The old Stanford Theater, no? They had terrific programming.

(I'm spoiled, since I live in LA, and there's lots of options for old-school movie geeks here. Nothing like seeing a classic [or even a disreputable classic] in a theater. Ah, film!)

2008-06-23 19:04:30
67.   underdog
31 Ah, yes, I finally saw "Underdog" too, Toy. It was on HBO or something the other day and I finally broke down and watched - some of - it. It's not as awful as I fear, partially because of Warburton and partially because Peter Dinklage is a wonderful actor and perfect casting as Simon Bar Sinister. But it still feels completely pointless. Why was this movie made? But it's a kids movie and as a kids movie it's pretty harmless; for adults it's fairly dull. The cartoon, as much as I love it, doesn't really lend itself to anything longer than short segments anyway.

skyblue your Westerns list rocks, but of course I'd say that because we share at least three films on our top list.

2008-06-23 19:05:37
68.   underdog
53 Yep, we signed him. To a minor league contract. To pitch in Single A, for now. Just fodder to give the system more depth so in that respect I don't feel too put out by it.
2008-06-23 19:06:48
69.   underdog
2-0 DBacks in the bottom of the 8th in Boston. RedSox have the bases loaded vs. Cruz though.
2008-06-23 19:08:36
70.   bhsportsguy
69 Tony Pena instead of Cruz.
2008-06-23 19:08:36
71.   Alex41592
J.D Drew up with the bases loaded in Boston.
2008-06-23 19:08:48
72.   Bob Timmermann
Jerome Williams should get the Linkmeister Seal of Approval.
2008-06-23 19:09:29
73.   Alex41592
Sac fly 2-1 AZ Bot 8. Manny up with 2 out and 2 on.
2008-06-23 19:16:21
74.   Andrew Shimmin
Mark Reynolds is not too shabby.
2008-06-23 19:16:37
75.   Alex41592
Mark Reynolds made a diving catch to his left to rob Manny of a base hit. Still 2-1 AZ Top 9.
2008-06-23 19:18:24
76.   underdog
Pena, Cruz, they're all tough!

I am of course rooting against the DBacks, and yet finding it hard to root for a Boston team these days. So I may just turn the channel, to save myself any further psychological distress.

2008-06-23 19:18:37
77.   Andrew Shimmin
Let's also give a big welcome back to the hardest working man in baseball: Eric Byrnes. This is his first game since May 26th.
2008-06-23 19:20:11
78.   underdog
Are there any rules as to how we welcome Kookie Byrnes back? Because I had a little private ceremony for him today, not sure you would approve it though.
2008-06-23 19:23:30
79.   Daniel Zappala
66 The Stanford Theater it is. Still open and currently showing a Jennifer Jones double feature: Love is a Many Splendored Thing (1955) and Beat the Devil (1954).
2008-06-23 19:25:56
80.   Daniel Zappala
Anyone realize that Francisco Rodriguez already has 30 saves, going on 31, and on pace to break Thigpen's record o 57 in a season?
2008-06-23 19:28:44
81.   skybluestoday
Re: 58

Funny, I never quite made a connection between Hawks and Anderson. But now that you've mentioned it, it makes a lot of sense. The latter's most immediately identifiable movie is, I think, Boogie Nights -- which, intriguingly, does feel like it owes something to Hawks (despite the subject matter, and despite the obvious debt to Altman and Scorsese).

Very cool! (Though I'll be more impressed when Mr. Anderson is able to come up with such a staggeringly cool body of work in all those different genres as Mr. Hawks -- "The Big Sleep," "Red River," "Bringing up Baby," "His Girl Friday," "The Thing (from Another World)," "His Girl Friday," "Scarface" -- these are all just about the tiptop points of their respective genres.)

Good stuff!

2008-06-23 19:29:51
82.   skybluestoday
Re: 79

Ah, Beat the Devil. One wacked-out minor classic, for sure.

2008-06-23 19:31:16
83.   underdog
Man, the Michel Inoa bidding war is getting crazy expensive.


In some ways, I used to think of John Sayles as a Hawks progeny, in the number of genres he's jumped around in, and in his love of talky scripts. But maybe that's stretching it.

2008-06-23 19:32:17
84.   Andrew Shimmin
If you don't love Eric Byrnes, you're wrong.
2008-06-23 19:32:48
85.   Andrew Shimmin
Aardsma is clearly wrong.
2008-06-23 19:37:44
86.   Alex41592
D'Backs win.
2008-06-23 19:44:43
87.   scareduck
57 -

2008-06-23 19:50:20
88.   Marty
81 Check out The Big Sky. It's a movie I love that rarely gets mentioned when people talk about Hawks.
2008-06-23 19:55:16
89.   Marty
82 I need to watch Beat the Devil again. I saw it once at a revival theater many moons ago and didn't care much for it. I think I was in a bad mood that night. Need to give it another chance.
2008-06-23 20:07:44
90.   Dodgers49
53 Is that Jerome Williams, as in, the fat guy who used to pitch for the Giants? I didn't realize we'd signed him.

One and the same. :-) Are there any ex-Giants still out there that Ned hasn't signed yet? Oh wait, there is one guy. And he's been known to hit a homer or two so Ned may be closing in on him.

2008-06-23 20:20:11
91.   Icaros

Kirk Reuter?

2008-06-23 20:21:13
92.   Icaros
2008-06-23 20:23:15
93.   Bob Timmermann
I always had to doublecheck the spelling of his name.
2008-06-23 20:24:00
94.   Bumsrap
No one giving any love to Paint Your Wagon?
2008-06-23 20:27:29
95.   underdog
The Loons over the Lugnuts tonight! And not only that but Steven Johnson tied a career-high with 10 strikeouts and moved into sole possession of first place in the Midwest League in wins with his shutout. He's 9-2. Dude may be moving up this year.
2008-06-23 20:30:31
96.   underdog
94 Gonna paint our wagon,
Gonna paint it good,
We ain't braggin',
We're gonna coat the wood.

They're gonna paint their wagon,
gonna paint it good,
they ain't braggin',
they're gonna coat the wood.

Ah, here comes Lee Marvin, he's always drunk and violent!

2008-06-23 20:32:06
97.   Sushirabbit
I think of DT when I hear Rogue Wave in that ESPN commercial.

My definition of a Western is a movie like Stagecoach. . . one with a strong-willed self-reliant protagonist that seeks redemption by battling authority/the elements/bad guys and in the process tests ideals/principles on the rocks of reality. But that's probably way too general. I mean, by that def, Bladerunner could be a western. Maybe that's why I like it so much. Maybe it is all that stuff set against the frontier (traditionally american).

Another couple to remember, Tumbleweeds and Bend of the River. I love westerns and really enjoyed everyones thoughts and comments.

2008-06-23 20:46:10
98.   skybluestoday
Re: 88

I've seen it -- I've even seen the "full" UCLA version, which was drawn from Martin Scorsese's personal print for the deleted sequences. By now I hope they've found the whole thing!

It's marvelous. I love the chemistry between Wayne and Kirk Douglas -- though they were said to be at complete odds politically, they really liked each other personally and made maybe four or five movies together because they enjoyed each other's personality!

I thought that was super-cool when I first heard it...Granted, The War Wagon, for example, is no masterpiece, but they have such an obvious and easygoing screen camaraderie that you forgive lots of things. (None of those movies is as good as The Big Sky, though. Blame -- or credit -- Hawks. :-))

I'm so glad Kirk is still around and kicking. I can't think of too many actors of his generation who are still around (Out of the Past was 60 years ago, for pete's sake!) Stroke or not, he rocks.

2008-06-23 20:47:03
99.   Jon Weisman

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